Criminal / family group support

[Rusty]

My point being, people had large capitals before and worked a lot for that, they don't want to grind the same thing over and over again for days to have some fun, I'd be playing Destiny if I did, not SA:MP. I used to play SA:MP to have fun, not to work my ass off after I've been working my ass off all day already. When is the last time you spent an entire day trucking, Cyril? Rusty? Devin? No? So you don't actually have any idea how idiotically boring it is?

Why would I go trucking when I can go have more fun roleplaying with people I know?  I ain't here to make virtual money.

Anyway, it's silly to think it's a bad thing that people want money for guns for shootouts and chases and stuff, I mean, how else are cops going to make money, why else would you buy fast cars, why else would you play GTA? Lol..

With all due respect, people have been rightfully pissing off. Make a return of BSF then, at least for a period of time, so that people can at least get their capital started up, while being able to have a RP job that they want, I mean, trucking or firemen, that's a huge variety of jobs isn't it..

It's the way people go about wanting it by literally demanding we just give them, that is not how it works no matter if you see it differently.  BSF re-starting is for someone above to consider (nope not Gandalf) I have my own area within SA:MP to go about.

Why are some of you guys so unthankfull :s
Its not all about money and shit..its about meeting new people and helping them around..
I bet there is at least 5-10 new players a day joining for the first time..PM them..help them..tell them what do to and what not to do..
Have fun instead of being unthankfull

The only sane post in this topic.

For now lets just calm the fuck down (myself included) we've went to far into derailing the topic, it's about group support not forced roleplay, how boring trucking is or any of that.  Point onwards let's move back onto topic in a more friendly approach, I'll let you all in a secret when we was discussing group support I brought up idea of issuing only the Official groups with money (even though am against it now for more obvious reasons) but it wasn't backed enough to go through.  Apart from that I don't know what we can offer?  Drugs? 

[Alexander_Souliwich]

This is like seeing the world talk about politics, and everything just gets worse.
 

[TiMoN]

This is like seeing the world talk about politics, and everything just gets worse.
 

Everyone is welcome talk bullshit, it's not like anything will change.

[superh2o]

Everyone is welcome talk bullshit, it's not like anything will change.

Mature and very helpful. 

Any ways you don't know what you had till you lose it.

[Pingster]

If you think sitting the whole day doing babysitting is not boring.. And while you earn money, we don't.

When is the last time you spent an entire day looking into logs, dealing with players queries, assisting others, ensuring the server is clean of people attempting to cheat and all at the same time trying to manage an administration team?

Hey, now you know how it feels being told to "Just go out there and make money" as if it was the best thing ever. And for the record, last time was probably a couple of months ago, did you think you're so special that only you can have a management position within a community that you assume others don't know nothing?

So get lost with your f**king judgement of my team already.

Never said nothing about Rusty, he's alright, actually reads what's being said and takes time to form a response and doesn't need three sets of ladders to reach his horse.

Speaking of,

Why would I go trucking when I can go have more fun roleplaying with people I know?

Exactly. But people still need money, because, hello, 2006 called, said it wants the phrase 'Just RP it' back. But hey, BSF would solve that issue, sure, there were many problems with people making companies and not actually offering anything in terms of roleplay, but people actually did RP jobs and you could always find something for you to do. But that's a discussion for another time, let's just say I haven't seen anyone use a towtruck, news van or a sweeper for their purpose since BSF closed down.

It's the way people go about wanting it by literally demanding we just give them, that is not how it works no matter if you see it differently.  BSF re-starting is for someone above to consider (nope not Gandalf) I have my own area within SA:MP to go about.

Yeah, there are better ways to go about it, but bottom line is that not having variety in terms of money making opportunities just drives people away. There was a time when a new player would ask how to make money, and they'd be told that there are a lot of different opportunities, but first they'd have to study for a passport to get to that, and meanwhile they can do some scripted jobs. People would line up for a passport and actually study for it, cause failing it would mean not having a job for even longer, and then they'd go out there and drive buses, or sell hotdogs or tend bars.

Now? Yeah, get into a truck and hope manager doesn't do a vehicle reset while you go about mindlessly trucking back and forth. And do that for the entire day. Or extinguish fires once every 30 minutes.

So yeah, BSF. Just needs more active control over who deserves money, more active than it was before, where no one actually gave two fucks and the management never logged on.

[Devin]

And for the record, last time was probably a couple of months ago, did you think you're so special that only you can have a management position within a community that you assume others don't know nothing?

I management position on Flight Simulator which is not even online hardly justifies anything but abuse within HQ of other parts of the community.
And no, BSF will never return.

[Pingster]

I management position on Flight Simulator which is not even online hardly justifies anything but abuse within HQ of other parts of the community.
And no, BSF will never return.

....Speaking of high horses, do you think Argonath is the only community on the whole of the internet?

And hey, how do you know it won't, didn't you say you don't deal with scripts, and whatever scripters release, so be it? What if someone's scripting BSF in? 

[Cofiliano]

I disagree with Frank on money support.

Yes it would be nice if groups would get some financial injections, but that's not the solution. But making the drug script actually worth spending our time on would be.
The current drug script is fucked up, you earn more by doing any other legal job then being a drug dealer, and it should and must be the most profitable business by script.

Why? First cause its illegal, second cause you got a big ass competitions(and most dangerous comptetions not just some fireworker kicking your ass with shovel ), third cause you got FBI and police on your ass, etc.
Drug business is the hearth and basic operation of all criminal groups, its like the /suspect script among cops, making it useless as it is now, is making the whole groups continuously activity useless.
Also we need new drugs around, how about cocaine, how about some effects from those drugs which usage can actually help?

In simple words,
Most of us aren't asking you for the fish, yet to give us the stick so we can catch some ourself.

[Marcel]

I think the current system with recognized and official groups is fine. It shortens the process of obtaining support which was very lengthy or even near impossible in RS4 and before. In my opinion, a form of monetary support for business can be done, but it will require a very strict and transparent approval process, something which i think is very hard.

Minor boosts to the economy and drug market can solve this problem. Monitor the amount of cash in hands, banks and see how much moves around. If a majority of the money becomes idle, stop injecting into the economy and create means for it to be spent and used. This is where a group of people with knowledge of economy comes in handy. Get together once every two weeks, discuss the current situation with HQ and set goals for the next two weeks. This will install a stable economy where prices and activity are in balance and as such, a fertile soil for server growth in general will be set, creating reasons for new players to stick around and raise the server population in general.

Just my two cents.

[Devin]

....Speaking of high horses, do you think Argonath is the only community on the whole of the internet?

And hey, how do you know it won't, didn't you say you don't deal with scripts, and whatever scripters release, so be it? What if someone's scripting BSF in? 

I said BSF will not return which means it will not return, you don't need to try and throw yourself into matters that don't concern you.

[Cofiliano]

70 percent of BSF was a classic export of script cash for personal usage anyway.

[Frank_Hawk]

I think the current system with recognized and official groups is fine. It shortens the process of obtaining support which was very lengthy or even near impossible in RS4 and before. In my opinion, a form of monetary support for business can be done, but it will require a very strict and transparent approval process, something which i think is very hard.

Minor boosts to the economy and drug market can solve this problem. Monitor the amount of cash in hands, banks and see how much moves around. If a majority of the money becomes idle, stop injecting into the economy and create means for it to be spent and used. This is where a group of people with knowledge of economy comes in handy. Get together once every two weeks, discuss the current situation with HQ and set goals for the next two weeks. This will install a stable economy where prices and activity are in balance and as such, a fertile soil for server growth in general will be set, creating reasons for new players to stick around and raise the server population in general.

Just my two cents.

This man should be made owner of the server. 

[Devin]

This man should be made owner of the server. 

Too bad you haven't seen behind the scenes where people bring out their claws.

[Cyril]

I think the current system with recognized and official groups is fine. It shortens the process of obtaining support which was very lengthy or even near impossible in RS4 and before. In my opinion, a form of monetary support for business can be done, but it will require a very strict and transparent approval process, something which i think is very hard.

Minor boosts to the economy and drug market can solve this problem. Monitor the amount of cash in hands, banks and see how much moves around. If a majority of the money becomes idle, stop injecting into the economy and create means for it to be spent and used. This is where a group of people with knowledge of economy comes in handy. Get together once every two weeks, discuss the current situation with HQ and set goals for the next two weeks. This will install a stable economy where prices and activity are in balance and as such, a fertile soil for server growth in general will be set, creating reasons for new players to stick around and raise the server population in general.

Just my two cents.

No money is being injected. All the money is already in the system, that's why we can't spawn it.

[Cofiliano]

You don't need to spawn it.