Roleplay factions

[jovanca]

Argonath lacks different kind of factions, such as street gangs (african-american, mexican/hispanic). The only reasonable explanation for this i find in people opening different kind of mafia groups, so they can drive around in fast/expensive cars using  combat shotguns to blast people with barely any roleplay and lame excuses.

I am aware of the fact that Argonath is a world of its own, which does not limit the freedom of it's members, but this is going too far. New 'families' and other kind of criminal groups are opened daily, and by people who have no knowledge and experience at all when it comes to group leading or roleplaying.

What i am trying to say, there should be criterias for the people who want to open a group. I suggest that every new member of the community needs to spend at least 6 months on the server before being allowed to open their own group. Also, i think that experienced players should work on new projects (as of opening new different kind of factions argo lacks).

Argonath's samp server's problem is not unfinished script or corrupt staff or whatever people say. The main problem is people themselves.

[Stivi]

punishments = disban

[jovanca]

punishments = disban

I think there are much better ways to fix this problem. Such as the one i suggested in the first post

[Jeremy.]

I'm looking forward to open something which can make some good and decent roleplay scenarios. If anyone is willing to partake should hit my PM.

[Trey_Johnson]

I'm looking forward to open something which can make some good and decent roleplay scenarios. If anyone is willing to partake should hit my PM.

Dont make me slap you. It's not my fault I'm being ignored ;d

And J, I completly agree, and you're gonna see a gang coming back to the streets pretty soon, some issues with the topics will be resolved soon.

[eymas]

The main problem is people themselves.

And the solution is the people themselves.

It's up to them if they want to make the umpteenth mafia/crime syndicate and it's up to them how to lead it. If they lead it good then you'll have a solid group. Do they not care and let their members run amok and you'll see what happens. Staff is there to guide them or to punish them depending on how things will go.

Disbanding a group due to their excessive list of punishments could only cause further fragmentation in the form of new groups or the loss of players.

Personally though it'd be great to see something different but we've already seen such groups come and go. 18th Street was an example, AoD is struggling from what i've seen in terms of activity, and the only dominant force are the self-proclaimed "mafias" that barely work like one and the "terrorists"* who prefer to use their group as an excuse to roll around shooting what's loose and tight and generally disrupting the atmosphere.
^{* This is not meant to be offensive nor a comparison.}

As said by you, jovanca, and me: It's up to the players how they wish to continue.

[jovanca]

Sad fact eymas is that neither one of us can really do anything as regular players. I posted this topic hoping hq would add some kind of rule to atleast decrease the amount of pointless groups.

It might cause more people leaving the server (which i doubt) but on the other hand, it might lead to more people, who are less interested in trolling/free roaming/dming and more into roleplaying, coming to our server.

[Danny Soulson]

Every Civilian (in most cases family member) Had a Combat shotgun and in RP`s They are always So "STRONG" and "you dont know who you are talking to"..etc
As far as i heard Argonath Vision is based that everyone should be equal..
Guns are Too cheap..
And Weapons like M4 , Combat Shotgun shoudn`t be able to buy in Gunstores..

[beLTa]

I still remember when I posted a topic under the discussion of making groups to Increase quantity is nothing to gain experience of RP but DMing. You remember what did you say on it? You said that everyone is allowed to do what they want. I also know that everyone has his own personality and vision of how he spend time while playing. Also Argonath is the world for all of those who wants to stay as a player, not as a disturber or etc.. so my point is that why did you say that on my Topic if you too wanted to point out this problem?

[jovanca]

Belta was your post pointed at me?

[beLTa]

Indeed it was.

[jovanca]

Indeed it was.

When did that happen and could you maybe give me the link to that topic?

[Pedro]

I agree with J, people should prioritise roleplay instead of showing off their fast vehicles or trucking 24/7... If you are a member of a group you should try, at least, roleplay a bit, so we take a positive image of the group.

About the rule. I support it, since alot of groups are being created and their members are not capable to roleplay.

[jovanca]

Not only that the people who join these groups are incapable of roleplaying, but the group leaders are too not capable of teaching them.

Also to add to my response to eymas, letting people do what ever they want and punishing them after that (and the punishment is oftenly a ban) too leads  decreased population. And anyway, we should look for quallity over quantity, and im sure if we actually made argo a bit stricter (especially when it comes to groups) we would also have more people interested in roleplaying joining the server.

[Kostas]

I'm both positive and negative on this. Though I doubt a rule will make a difference. While chances for someone who has been playing for less than 6 months to open a ... well DM group, are greater than the rest. I still see lots of "veterans" pretty much copying what's already there, but having lower standards in order to attract members. I don't think that a rule will change anything, when every random guy wants to be the Don of the X family/mafia, instead of simply being a member of an on going family/mafia which is possibly well organised, and from whom he's more likely to learn a lot. And yeah, basically prevent the server from having to handle another, possibly DM group. Let's face it, more than half of the new "criminal" groups, are more about the shootouts, than roleplaying. Find a way to change the way people thing, and you'll instantly solve the problem.