Roleplay factions

[Trey_Johnson]

I don't want to brag, or pump my chest but how come there's no single Roleplay Business or property aside from the Ten Green Bottles? Where are the businesses with people -ROLEPALYING- inside? Casino games are just mindless script spams, administrators organize plenty of events...Sure, events would be nice...If they included any -roleplay-.

I doubt anyone will attend to any of these bussines, unless it will end up in a shootout. Like it has been said here before, most of 'rp' groups in the server are all about showing how big and strong they are, with their armor and combat shotguns, instead of RPing without it. That's the reason I belive street gangs are better, they usually dont have access (RP wise) to these kind of weapons, which makes the interactions more interesting.

[jovanca]

Greasy now think twice. You said it yourself, one of the best roleplayers you met was Gulcuan before he joined your faction. I bet there are many players with a lot of potential in current groups with bad reputation, i also bet that many more players like the guy you mentioned still join and they get into wrong groups.

If someone developed their group story for a long time on a good roleplay server, i dont think a forum topic or in-game group will be a problem for them to roleplay their group. This would mostly limit newbies from making their groups and recuiting more and more newbies who could maybe join an actual roleplaying faction, learn and become actual role players.

[Huntsman]

As JDC used to say: lead by example!

Pls no

[Pandalink]

Argonath lacks different kind of factions, such as street gangs (african-american, mexican/hispanic). The only reasonable explanation for this i find in people opening different kind of mafia groups, so they can drive around in fast/expensive cars using  combat shotguns to blast people with barely any roleplay and lame excuses.

As opposed to people driving around in shitty gangbanger cars using tec9s to blast people with barely any roleplay and lame excuses.
No, the reason most people don't make street gangs is that they aren't particularly aspirational. Mafia guys are rich white guys in suits with nice cars and mansions. Street gangs are full of poor minorities who essentially live in poverty and kill each other for no reason at all. Most people here are probably white. A lot of them are probably from at least middle class families. These kinds of people do not aspire to be poor minorities gangbanging in Compton.

Yes, there are people who make roleplay groups purely to play a role they're interested in, which is why we do get some street gangs (and why longstanding street gang groups are generally more roleplay-strict). However, most people just want to play a power fantasy role where they lead a sick mafia and drive limos around, or an awesome yakuza that rolls around in clearly marked green cars with katanas like jackasses badasses.

What i am trying to say, there should be criterias for the people who want to open a group. I suggest that every new member of the community needs to spend at least 6 months on the server before being allowed to open their own group.

When I opened Araatus with Max I had less than 9 months experience on Argonath, and even less than that on SAMP.
Conversely, I've seen plenty of groups opened by people who had far more time in the server than I did that turn out to be absolute garbage DM groups full of shitters.

Time spent on the server doesn't matter. You make it harder for yourself if you have less experience, but in the case that you make a crappy group it will fail and nobody will join. Eventually you'll either learn how to make a good group or accept your shortcomings and go join something else.


As for groups that constantly get punished. If the members are getting punished, it's up to the group leader to kick them. If they don't kick them, then they validate the behaviour and in doing so accept responsibilty for it. I've had plenty of people in Araatus get ingame punishments and I didn't kick them because the punishment was invalid.
In the event that it's the actual group leaders breaking the rules, particularly as a group, or if they let their members stay in despite constant rulebreaking, that's when you break out group warnings and start talking seriously about it. Actually disbanding a group by force as a punishment is a seriously last-resort kind of thing that frankly should never have to happen.

As for groups that deny entry to new players: you're f**cking yourself over in the long run. Where do you think your most loyal and long term members come from? Also, groups are the catalyst for a new player actually staying in the server and learning the ropes. Organisations where new guys can go to learn are the most important part of the server. Consider an MMO without guilds/clans. What would be the point?

But only because your parents were killed doesn't necessarily mean you turn into a robot, with one goal to conquer the world.

but what if your parents were killed in china by the italian yakuza, so you moved to los santos to start a korean parkour bratva?

AnA'd.

I like how this actually caught on

Pls no

sorry I think I accidentally followed jdc's example and wrote a short novel here, my bad

[jovanca]

@Pandalink

I agree on some points but on some i dont. These days groups with realistic roleplays are minorities, in the shadow of those who only run around looking for shootouts.

Not only that the group members break the rules, but they're mostly following their group leaders.

I am not saying that a person cant lead group if they havent spent 6 months or even 6 days on the server, but sadly these days thats the case. I believe the things would have worked much better if the group leaders actually gai ed some mafia experience before opening their own group.

[Allison]

Read through this topic just a bit ago, some pretty interesting points here and there.

I follow up on my character development, use a serious roleplay style, and usually end up having fun with it. I don't enter the city much, only to really meet people or to pick some things up. I focus on civilian roleplay, just an ordinary citizen living in Palomino Creek with my family, which I've gotten them to join up on the same style of roleplay I do on a daily basis. Occasionally I'll preform my duties as a Fire Captain with the SAFD, or sometimes my job as a Trooper with the Highway Patrol. Though I won't spend much time on scripted jobs - I'll try to find some things I can do with my in character family or some things to do myself, like fixing up my vehicles if they're damaged, or working around my house just doing general, small, things to pass the time.

I've tried to keep a focus on the above, and it's been working just fine. The main reason I refuse to enter the city is because of the constant bullshit most of the groups around call 'roleplay'.
I have encountered several people who do roleplay properly, and do it well. I commend them for their efforts, I just wish there were more like them.

[Pandalink]

I believe the things would have worked much better if the group leaders actually gained some mafia experience before opening their own group.

I agree, but people should have the freedom to try anyway even if they don't have that experience. Might bring something new rather than rehash Corleone or LCV 300 times.

[Gandalf]

Well i can change myself and i did. I was too one of those who only cared aboht winning a fight and i didnt even know what i was fighting for. But thats not the only problem now, the problem these days is that most of the new players get attracted by groups which are only here to shoot and not roleplay. If we will allow everyone to open a group and misslead it then roleplay on argonath is pretty much doomed.

Just few days ago i was roleplaying with my group (gsf), we were hidden in an alley in ganton when all of a sudden a boss of criminal family comes and 'roleplays' begging us to forgive him, tells us how he is just a kid. As we were in the middle of a roleplay we warned him to leave, i even took my gun out to warn him to leave and he goes on with his crying and begging for forgivness. At last we roleplayed putting him into his car and he left

As a boss of his family he's supposed to be an example of a good or atleast decent roleplayer, but he is the opposite. Him and players simillar to him should not be allowed to make or lead a group untill they're taught to behave properly (rp wise)

What you say is that you did not wish to interact with someone because you were too engulfed in your own fantasy.
That IS bad roleplay.

[jovanca]

What you say is that you did not wish to interact with someone because you were too engulfed in your own fantasy.
That IS bad roleplay.

I didnt copy paste the whole text from the scene but no thats not what happened i did interact him but after seeing the agenda of him approaching us (which was obviously to troll) he made me change my mind. Afterward he came doing pretty much the same thing after warnings we started demolishing his cars with our bats, he drove away flamed me over pm and got warned. So ye you are pretty much wrong

[Hamza_Khan]

What you say is that you did not wish to interact with someone because you were too engulfed in your own fantasy.
That IS bad roleplay.

Others call that Egoistic problems, Try putting your ego aside while roleplay, you would enjoy more of that.

[Hamza_Khan]

Have to admit that, what is written above is absolutely true, as Hypocrisy/ Double standards  is also turning out to be a problem here, whoever is it, acting innocent here and  stating that he will be available for roleplay anytime but in game it shows the opposite thing, I'm not targeting any individual here, people do come here and moan about the non roleplay environment about the server but what are they doing to improve it? If some group interacts you for roleplay and if you refuses cause you don't want to do at that time, it isn't your mistake because, yes indeed Argonath RPG is a world of its own and allows people do whatever they want to,    and If someone is forcing you to roleplay then they are  F**cking doing a wrong thing and deserve to get punishment or removal from the server cause they are disturbing you doing your work on the server which is not Roleplay,  if you are looking for it, then you are the right place, but if you wants to Roleplay with anyone and interacts with him and in return if he refuses to roleplay with you, then? how does it feel? piss off?  then you goes and makes a topic on forums that, there isn't any roleplay in the server from any kind of group, wannabes nowadays mafias, saying inappropriate things about them, how about doing a Roleplay with them? observing that what is the thing they are doing wrong, and then teaching them after roleplay with some good manners, not in between the RP like (OMG u guys doesn't even know how to RP, etc ), Don't forget that you once you were also a newbie and hasn't born Pro.

I think people should treat this server as it is their own responsibility to improve the standard of the Roleplay here, maybe it would effect the course of Roleplay here,  if you want to bring the change here, change yourself first, Yes it is an old motto but it is useful.

[jovanca]

Hamza i was indeed a newbie when i joined argonath, and the reason why i am not one now is indeed cos i did not join random groups i was invited to.

 Trying to help those newbies who are trying to lead groups oftenly results in being accused or even reported for provoking.

I also did try roleplaying with many different groups made by the newbies. They never took it seriously, even seen a guy rping literally shitting and pissing himself then going around touching others and shaking others' hands with his hands, covered with shit, and all that during a serious meeting of two groups. If you dont believe me i can maybe get chatlogs.

He is not to blame though, those leading group he is member of are, cos they are not setting an examle to their members. Thats exactly why not everyone should be allowed to create a group and lead the others in the same, wrong direction

[Hamza_Khan]

and all that during a serious meeting of two groups. If you dont believe me i can maybe get chatlogs.

Everyone was once a newbie, that doesn't even matter here, some ruining themselves by joining random groups and some may be going on a right path.
RPing with them is a pain in the ass, indeed and sometimes they do feel offended if someone from their enemy group tries to help them in anyway.

Yes I can relate with that,  creating nuisance in  the middle of the serious Roleplays as you said some by shitting or pissing some by interrupting with their shit, but in the end who is responsible for them? Can't blame the server management nor others, it is their group leader who opened a group and can't even teach a shit to their members, but in the end we can't force him to close his group as in Argonath there wasn't any rule and it is against the vision of Argonath, the leader of that group has to save the sinking ship not anyone else, Criteria could be useful but not the time period you spent on the server, it should be that is the player is eligible to lead/open a group.
A group of experience people from the server may do the job, but I think this suggestion will be neglected like previous ones.

[jovanca]

I never said its management or anyone else to blame for newbies opening groups, i only blamed the group leaders. When new comers join, they cant really tell if joining a faction is a mistake or not, especially those with no samp rp experience at all. The group leaders literally buy those new players with promises, high ranks and what not and mislead them.

That has been going on for a while now. Limiting them goes against vision of the community but giving them freedom to do what they are doing, which is disturbing the gameplay of those who are here actually to roleplay, goes against common sense

[jovanca]

Sorry for double post, but hamza, you are a perfect example of what newcomers should do. You joined a stable and good group, learned how the server works, gained some experience. Thats what everyone who wants to open a group should do.