Roleplay factions

[Que]

If you want a change, try not to change others but first change your own self. (Ain't talking about you, Huntsman)

Doesn't matter how hard you keep playing serious and roleplaying to the fullest when the guiding from above always been pushing for everyone to do whatever they want. It is okay to ruin a roleplay scene with your combat crew who will start blasting, then have a mega chase throughout the map for four hours. Not only did you ruin the fun for the ones who actually wanted to roleplay for your own quite odd pleasure, you did also kill the scene and it's quite boring to restart, so most of the times you just log off and turn your attention to something else. It doesn't add up and it's one of the reasons why many of my own groups has been inactive and boring after a few weeks because there's not many others to roleplay with.

I mean, you can speak how much you want about being a role model for others but it has no work when the guidance from above does not tally.

Like now, I'm very interested to return and I'm like suffering to not be able to roleplay a bit - but every time I login I just see that everything is just the same and nothing will ever change. It just destroys my mood and I'm just logging off in the matter of minutes. Obviously, that's not how it should be.. but it is.. because no one gives a flying about the roleplay.

[Bundy]

Exactly!

If you want a change, try not to change others but first change your own self. (Ain't talking about you, Huntsman)

Exactly! You just pointed out the exact opposite of what he said!

As long as roleplaying is not required on the server, people won't bother. Unless they want to kill someone, of course..

[jovanca]

I feel you Que. Thats why we (GSF) opened a Barber salon and a Tattoo parlor. Thats what i roleplay mostly these days as any other gang activities (ilegal ones) end up in a bloodbath mostly. Advertising these 2 bizzes mostly brings those who can and want to roleplay, but sadly theres not many of them

[Rusty]

Argonath SA:MP will never be a serious place for role-play because it is stuck in the past and doesn't want to evolve.  Discussions about this won't change anything, never have only until a miracle comes along that Argonath SA:MP just might move out of it's comfort zone and into one that fits with this time.  Groups we got now just continue along doing the exact same thing as the next, if it isn't shooting at each other because someone said "fuck you and your group" it's them cruising around in convoys or doing the ever so stale kidnapping.  Take note of Que's post's they are from God himself.

Up to the player's to change the way their group acts and how they conduct themselves, but I know that ain't going to happen people are to comfortable with the way they are right now.  Squad shit isn't the only thing you can do.

[jovanca]

I guess this can be closed then.

[Ehks]

I, with no doubt, agree with what Que mentioned.

The whole  " you can't force him to roleplay " is bullshit in my opinion, I mean why the hell are you on a "roleplay" server if you're only willing to roleplay stepping out of your vehicle. This excuse is often used to avoid and/or destroy good RP scenarios. The thing I've witnessed is.. This is turning into a Need for Speed(with guns) server where players' idea of having fun is getting suspected and running away from/shooting the cops.

Every player should take into consideration the steps they're making their character take and not act as if they're the damn terminator regardless of their character's position/status. Also, try to work your way out of a problem with words ( or if necessarily a kick or a punch toward the face ) don't just spit buck shots every time you sense danger around the corner.

In my opinion, in order to fix this "Constantly shooting out of their ass" issue, increase the punishments. Leave the suspects (with a chance of bail depending on the crime/amount of times they committed it) in jail until their court date then send them to Mordor to serve a specific amount of time if proven guilty and assign parole officers when they're not behind bars anymore.( This belongs in the SA-MP Idea section but had to share it here).

[Hamza_Khan]

I, with no doubt, agree with what Que mentioned.

The whole  " you can't force him to roleplay " is bullshit in my opinion, I mean why the hell are you on a "roleplay" server.

Recently Devin posted the difference between Force Roleplay and Actual roleplay, as you can't refuse to roleplay unless you have a valid reason, you simply can't avoid others while doing trucking, you have to roleplay with them no matter what, now it is up to you how you cope up with the situation and gets out of the situation by doing roleplay not like giving excuses or shit reason or  anything else thats not concerned with Roleplay.

[Trey_Johnson]

I, with no doubt, agree with what Que mentioned.

The whole  " you can't force him to roleplay " is bullshit in my opinion, I mean why the hell are you on a "roleplay" server if you're only willing to roleplay stepping out of your vehicle. This excuse is often used to avoid and/or destroy good RP scenarios. The thing I've witnessed is.. This is turning into a Need for Speed(with guns) server where players' idea of having fun is getting suspected and running away from/shooting the cops.

Every player should take into consideration the steps they're making their character take and not act as if they're the damn terminator regardless of their character's position/status. Also, try to work your way out of a problem with words ( or if necessarily a kick or a punch toward the face ) don't just spit buck shots every time you sense danger around the corner.

In my opinion, in order to fix this "Constantly shooting out of their ass" issue, increase the punishments. Leave the suspects (with a chance of bail depending on the crime/amount of times they committed it) in jail until their court date then send them to Mordor to serve a specific amount of time if proven guilty and assign parole officers when they're not behind bars anymore.( This belongs in the SA-MP Idea section but had to share it here).

Server should be more strict about RP, but it wont happen in SA:MP, Maybe in V:MP.. but I doubt it will as the voting showed people enjoying these type of gameplay.

[Huntsman]

Exactly!

If you want a change, try not to change others but first change your own self. (Ain't talking about you, Huntsman)

That is not exactly what I meant. Quite opposite, I am sick and tired of the „Well, start with yourself then!“ bullshit. People got understand that it does not work that way. There are very few people who actually know how to do the right thing without being forced to. The others, well, they very well know that what they are doing is not right, but basically because the administration allows them to, they will do the wrong thing anyways. Its in human nature to act opposite of how they should act. If humans are let off the leash, they start doing stupid things, and unless that leash is reattached, they will NEVER change. So let me put this simple - unless it becomes part of Argonath roles to ACTUALLY ROLEPLAY, then people WILL NOT roleplay and stick to „LETS GO KIDNAP SOMEONE SO WE CAN DM WITH SOME COPS“ theme that is so popular among most criminal groups nowadays.
And honestly, you cant blame most of it on them. They are given the conditions to be able to DM without repercussions. An example is the fact that there are pretty much no other ways for a kidnap to end, only in a shootout. ARPD is not allowed to meet the demands, which kind of restricts to roleplay to an obvious outcome - either the death of the hostage, or the death of the kidnapper. The kidnapping scenarios have become so dull and boring, because the outcome is always obvious - the SWAT will end up storming at the end anyways, and it is always a no win situation for a kidnapper, and kidnaps are started only by those who want a DM fest anymore.

[Kostas]

Lots of facts were stated here, no point in repeating as it is quite obvious.
I'd like to dump a stupid comment on Rytuklis. "Only people who allow ARPD to be contacted(or contact it themselves), have a DM fest in mind". As funny as it may be, a proper kidnap is pretty fun. While it simply gets fucked up the second someone else finds out.

[Huntsman]

Lots of facts were stated here, no point in repeating as it is quite obvious.
I'd like to dump a stupid comment on Rytuklis. "Only people who allow ARPD to be contacted(or contact it themselves), have a DM fest in mind". As funny as it may be, a proper kidnap is pretty fun. While it simply gets fucked up the second someone else finds out.

Not exactly what I meant either,

What I meant is that kidnaps nowadays are mostly done by those who prolong for a DM fest, because it has become the same repetetive scenario all over again, which ends always the same - cops storm, hostage, kidnapper or both die.

[beLTa]

Not exactly what I meant either,

What I meant is that kidnaps nowadays are mostly done by those who prolong for a DM fest, because it has become the same repetetive scenario all over again, which ends always the same - cops storm, hostage, kidnapper or both die.

It's a part of RP. If you'll not pay attention to the kidnappers, he obviously will kill the hostage, why not?

As far as I've been around since few months, the only thing I noticed is that players are taking earning money more than doing RP with players near to them etc.. 80 percent of people ignore the demand of the kidnapper as they find themselves busy, isn't wrong?

People have now started ignoring RP because they are busy in earning money. They think making paydays will make players liking him. They earn money, buy big houses, 3-4 cars, etc.. which has 0 percent value to do RP.

Usually a gang member always needs 1-2k to buy small armour, combat shotguns with 200 bullets. Why guns are important to start RP?

[Hamza_Khan]

Tell me, when the last time cops really roleplayed a Kidnap situation, they RP until their numbers become much more than kidnappers, cops always moan about that kidnappers kidnapped someone then asked for the money,
Now tell me when the last time SAPD actually payed them the money, because every time the situation couldn't go in their way, sometimes kidnappers have the advantage.
Situation goes out of their hands  = lets storm in, is same as situation goes in their way, still you would see them storming in,   they will shoot the ass out of you  until you /gu, I mean no matter where the situation goes, SAPD also incites the DM fest.

[Kostas]

Tell me, when the last time cops really roleplayed a Kidnap situation, they RP until their numbers become much more than kidnappers, cops always moan about that kidnappers kidnapped someone then asked for the money,
Now tell me when the last time SAPD actually payed them the money, because every time the situation couldn't go in their way, sometimes kidnappers have the advantage.
Situation goes out of their hands  = lets storm in, is same as situation goes in their way, still you would see them storming in,   they will shoot the ass out of you  until you /gu, I mean no matter where the situation goes, SAPD also incites the DM fest.

IRL cops always have the upper hand in numbers. RP wise, they always should have the numbers. And ye, our server is pretty much based on the "USA doesn't negotiate with terrorists" moto. That's fine anyway. But ye, Back to my point, only kidnaps that cops find out about end in DM fests, keep that in mind.

[Alexander_Rijav]

You need a proper reason to kidnap, don't you?