Current behaviour

[Gnb_22]

You don't come into the busiest city on the server as terrorists and start to order law enforcement around. That is just asking for a response and DM fest. The rambo act was you coming into LS the way you did which resulted in the response you got.

And ofcourse you can't seem to see the bigger picture cause clearly you see no fault in the actions of you and your peers.
All the FLA leaders have accepted the mistakes they made but you guys clearly have large egos which makes you just sit back and point fingures instead of claiming responsibility for your faults.

[McGarrett]

you guys clearly have large egos which makes you just sit back and point fingures instead of claiming responsibility for your faults.

Where were our faults during that situation? I may not be able to answer for other officer's behavior, but I am quite certain I can answer for myself as I am 100% sure that I do not act without proper motive.

[Arslan]

And ofcourse you can't seem to see the bigger picture cause clearly you see no fault in the actions of you and your peers.
All the FLA leaders have accepted the mistakes they made but you guys clearly have large egos which makes you just sit back and point fingures instead of claiming responsibility for your faults.

I've accepted the faults and mistakes, moved on from them in the topic Leon made. Do don't make it seem as if this is an attack on FLA. I've already covered the changes we made in my previous post. I talking about the specific situation which occurred today.

[Arslan]

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I don't see how this will change anything. Not to mention, if you want liberation or independence, this is NOT the way about it. It's a terrorist group which has been killing countless people. Also, nothing stops them from doing whatever they want in Angel Pine or rest of Flint already since police as said earlier are giving them the space to do as they wish. I don't understand how the "prove" point comes into this. Prove what? Anything they want to do they can already.

I do however have a suggestion, Angel Pine can be made a separate jurisdiction or be recognised as a city which can then have a elected Mayor, it is job of FLA to get a FLA elected mayor and then new policies, certain laws can be changed and such. Also any other changed they wish to make. This will then probably require a federal constitution which applies everywhere.

[Gnb_22]

I've accepted the faults and mistakes, moved on from them in the topic Leon made. Do don't make it seem as if this is an attack on FLA. I've already covered the changes we made in my previous post. I talking about the specific situation which occurred today.

The intent of this topic isn't to signle out single situations but it was made to address the entire subject on a whole. As for the specific situation I still don't see an issue here. You guys seem to think everything must be written out for you guys. Sometimes some logic must be applied.

a single pilot hovering above 10+ men armed with assault rifles, telling them to disperse? one would have to be a really mentally challenged person or a rambo to act like that

[Hubbestubbe]

Don't make it seem as if what you did was perfectly acceptable. It was not. You killed an officer while INSIDE the most populated city with law enforcement and you treat it as if it was a joke?

What your saying sound something like this: the chopper was annoying us so we killed the cop in it but don't shoot as us so it won't cause DM fest.

As you must know very well killing a cop is pretty much the quickest way to trigger a high profile response form law enforcement.

This was one death, let's not think about that. We  have done way worse things (LS Bank situation). We could come up with many examples from the PD side, for example equipping and healing in combat, getting suspected for robbery when we offered a man a ride and so on. Let's look forward instead.

I think Ramos idea was good, even though just about liberating Angel Pine, which ofcourse won't be enough for us. But it would leave the FLA a massive amounts of differents kind of RP that does not involve shootouts against the FBI. Even if those will happen too.

[Mikal]

The reason we shot down Taseen's PD helicopter at Luciano HQ - It's loud, it's annoying, it makes it hard to RP, especially since he was hovering right above our heads, the fucking dust cloud going everywhere, I did call 911 and say that we'd shoot it down if he didn't move, he didn't move, he kept hovering right above us, so we shot it down, we left before it could turn into a gigantic shootout with the rest of SAPD, but we got followed to Angel Pine by them regardless and a huge shootout ensued, sure it's understandable, we shot down a PD helicopter and were wanted suspects, just stating that so you know that we left Los Santos hoping that we wouldn't end up in a shootout with the entire PD, but we did.

I'm hoping we in FLA can get back to our old ways in the coming days, we'll try to organize some things which in reality wouldn't attract huge police attention.

I do however have a suggestion, Angel Pine can be made a separate jurisdiction or be recognised as a city which can then have a elected Mayor, it is job of FLA to get a FLA elected mayor and then new policies, certain laws can be changed and such. Also any other changed they wish to make. This will then probably require a federal constitution which applies everywhere.

That isn't exactly the independence we had in mind, but whenever you're ready to give us 1mil for the FBI financial check and a clean pass on the criminal record check...

[Arslan]

The intent of this topic isn't to signle out single situations but it was made to address the entire subject on a whole. As for the specific situation I still don't see an issue here. You guys seem to think everything must be written out for you guys. Sometimes some logic must be applied.

We had enough officers to engage, telling them to disperse was a non-lethal method of dealing with them. Stop making it seem as if nothing happen. Not to mention you weren't even there.

[Mikal]

We had enough officers to engage

Except for the fact that you didn't, that's why you went back to the PD and then cop after cop started logging in, you know, because alot of players only want to log in for a shootout...

[Arslan]

That isn't exactly the independence we had in mind, but whenever you're ready to give us 1mil for the FBI financial check and a clean pass on the criminal record check...

I believe my idea makes more sense and is actually feasible then a country.

[Arslan]

Except for the fact that you didn't, that's why you went back to the PD and then cop after cop started logging in, you know, because alot of players only want to log in for a shootout...

Which you had coming and asked for but I no longer see the benefit on continuing this discussion we should focus of the idea aspect.

[Ramo_Hawk]

I do however have a suggestion, Angel Pine can be made a separate jurisdiction or be recognised as a city which can then have a elected Mayor, it is job of FLA to get a FLA elected mayor and then new policies, certain laws can be changed and such. Also any other changed they wish to make. This will then probably require a federal constitution which applies everywhere.

What you've suggested kind of needs to be added too, but instead an entire government for its own is what FLA is trying to seek. I assume what FLA also wants is to have its leaders in power, which is practically impossible if trying to elect a mayor as they'll never pass FBI's security check.

[Mikal]

I believe my idea makes more sense and is actually feasible then a country.

That is just such a minor change that I can't even... Ramo's idea about having only Angel Pine independent for a trial atleast brings us a little bit closer to our demands.

[Arslan]

What you've suggested kind of needs to be added too, but instead an entire government for its own is what FLA is trying to seek. I assume what FLA also wants is to have its leaders in power, which is practically impossible if trying to elect a mayor as they'll never pass FBI's security check.

Then you need to find someone who can pass the security check and hasn't been involved in terrorist activity who will be a FLA muppet.
Being a mayor is pretty much your own government, you can make new policies and stuff. If you want law changes, get a petition, pass it to the mayor and get him to get it passed.

[Mikal]

Then you need to find someone who can pass the security check and hasn't been involved in terrorist activity who will be a FLA muppet.
Being a mayor is pretty much your own government, you can make new policies and stuff. If you want law changes, get a petition, pass it to the mayor and get him to get it passed.

Oh yes we'll put some random good guy in power who can then just tell FLA to f**k off and raise up his own regime.

That mayor stuff wouldn't work for us, Ramo's idea is best solution for now.