Something is wrong, how are we going to respond to this?

[Bruce.]

But meth addicts will loose their virtual money and start bitching on people who will push the reset button.
I am all in to go for the reset button. Make shit work better, make it a roleplay server and get rid of this free roaming shit. Light RP my ass..even a light RP server has roleplay standarts. We do NOT.

[Bogomil]

You want to sort the issues? Either hit the reset button or give everyone free grounds to speak. A single topic, to let it all out, without "e-dick powers" that I am manager/board mod and will ban you from forums or that I am a manager/mod and I cannot speak my mind because I hold a respectable position. Equal grounds, Equal voice.

I've been talking to the HQ, i've been rude sometimes, no one punished me because of expressing my opinion. Of course I would like to see more effort from their side, because except one or two people everyone else abandoned the community. Everyone shouting loud that no one lets them express their  opinion and in the same time they have nothing to say.
Here is what I have to say - Andeey is contributing a lot, Trane isn't, Brian is arrogant af most of the time, Bengt used to contribute, but I don't see him around anymore, Carbon needs to give more tasks to his subordinates. Make a donation system, use the donations to advertise the server, review the rules, hire more scripters, lock the server and until everything is fixed don't open it. That way people will be curious about the changes and once it opens they'll start coming back.

[Marcel]

People would never be punished/banned/muted for speaking out a legitimate concern. The issue with many people is that they use these topics to vent out personal frustrations towards other players, staff members and their mums.

Those that do contribute in a good manner can be seen in this topic. Yes, it's fine to put the blame on HQ/management/developers if you can explain why or if you have some factual evidence to support such claims. No one will be mad at you and start punishing if you show that you want to contribute in that way.

Furthermore, no staff member is perfect. We also make mistakes. Sometimes we add stuff to the script that later turns out to work like shit. Same goes for removing stuff. As a developer, there is nothing more frustrating than 10 topics with the same moaning (my precious money is gone), but without offering ANY solutions/suggestions.

Although the player count really isn't good at the moment, I do believe that with the mass exodus we've seen in the past few days, we've lost many cancerous players. That's something to be happy about. With the good and loyal players that are left, we can do a lot to rebuild the community and restore it to its former glory. This can be in the rules, scripts, but also by adding new servers. In my opinion, those choices are completely open and community input is appreciated in all of those areas.

[Miki.]

You want to sort the issues? Either hit the reset button or give everyone free grounds to speak. A single topic, to let it all out, without "e-dick powers" that I am manager/board mod and will ban you from forums or that I am a manager/mod and I cannot speak my mind because I hold a respectable position. Equal grounds, Equal voice.

I've been talking to the HQ, i've been rude sometimes, no one punished me because of expressing my opinion. Of course I would like to see more effort from their side, because except one or two people everyone else abandoned the community. Everyone shouting loud that no one lets them express their  opinion and in the same time they have nothing to say.
Here is what I have to say - Andeey is contributing a lot, Trane isn't, Brian is arrogant af most of the time, Bengt used to contribute, but I don't see him around anymore, Carbon needs to give more tasks to his subordinates. Make a donation system, use the donations to advertise the server, review the rules, hire more scripters, lock the server and until everything is fixed don't open it. That way people will be curious about the changes and once it opens they'll start coming back.

It's not about being rude here, some stuff just can't be shown or said with out risking getting the truth deleted. what you stated is your own opinion regarding each HQ member and his contribution and not actual facts not saying you're wrong but thing here some people are holding valuable facts about the true nature if HQ's way of work. un like with a specific manager that was shited on constantly but the moment a guy who shited on him alot and I'm not saying shited in an offensive way it's litteraly throwing shit comments by that I mean offensive comments and accusations with out backing it up with facts or any thing except what it was seemed like and how it looked from their perspective but when we got to a mature talk and I lifted all the needed proves to show that manager never been and never will be biased or pro group or what ever shit was thrown at him the guy I spoke with agreed  and I cleared the manager's name ( shame actions were taken before invistigation was done but well some people just use power in the way they want and they don't need to explain anything) a manager that was modest enough to not actually step out and try to clear his name and a guy that went alot above hours on mapping developing certain future scripts and re writing rules and yeah I'm talking from a friend perspective but unlike others I state facts here.

It's a shame rumors spread like this with out looking for facts or investigation that's how racism worked as well and over all any kind of hardcore hate towards people is created by spreading faceless statements and creating such a chaos and I disrespect any one that opened his mouth and layed such comments on a person or topic they don't have knowledge about and just by rumors from their friends. I never do so when ever I go and negatively talk about a person or a topic I state facts I research personally.

We need to possibility to have a chat that isn't working on assuming but an open discussion with actual facts thrown in and not personal agendas.

[Miki.]

People would never be punished/banned/muted for speaking out a legitimate concern. The issue with many people is that they use these topics to vent out personal frustrations towards other players, staff members and their mums.

Those that do contribute in a good manner can be seen in this topic. Yes, it's fine to put the blame on HQ/management/developers if you can explain why or if you have some factual evidence to support such claims. No one will be mad at you and start punishing if you show that you want to contribute in that way.

Furthermore, no staff member is perfect. We also make mistakes. Sometimes we add stuff to the script that later turns out to work like shit. Same goes for removing stuff. As a developer, there is nothing more frustrating than 10 topics with the same moaning (my precious money is gone), but without offering ANY solutions/suggestions.

Although the player count really isn't good at the moment, I do believe that with the mass exodus we've seen in the past few days, we've lost many cancerous players. That's something to be happy about. With the good and loyal players that are left, we can do a lot to rebuild the community and restore it to its former glory. This can be in the rules, scripts, but also by adding new servers. In my opinion, those choices are completely open and community input is appreciated in all of those areas.

Well it depends how strong the evidence supporting the accusations are because there is information that can lead to actual destruction but trust me there is a reason some comments are being deleted if current HQ believes his operating way is perfectly fair and fine there is no reason to avoid opening such a topic. Of course relying on the fact the topic will contain valid points and not rage accusations and shit thrown.

[Marcel]

People would never be punished/banned/muted for speaking out a legitimate concern. The issue with many people is that they use these topics to vent out personal frustrations towards other players, staff members and their mums.

Those that do contribute in a good manner can be seen in this topic. Yes, it's fine to put the blame on HQ/management/developers if you can explain why or if you have some factual evidence to support such claims. No one will be mad at you and start punishing if you show that you want to contribute in that way.

Furthermore, no staff member is perfect. We also make mistakes. Sometimes we add stuff to the script that later turns out to work like shit. Same goes for removing stuff. As a developer, there is nothing more frustrating than 10 topics with the same moaning (my precious money is gone), but without offering ANY solutions/suggestions.

Although the player count really isn't good at the moment, I do believe that with the mass exodus we've seen in the past few days, we've lost many cancerous players. That's something to be happy about. With the good and loyal players that are left, we can do a lot to rebuild the community and restore it to its former glory. This can be in the rules, scripts, but also by adding new servers. In my opinion, those choices are completely open and community input is appreciated in all of those areas.

Well it depends how strong the evidence supporting the accusations are because there is information that can lead to actual destruction but trust me there is a reason some comments are being deleted if current HQ believes his operating way is perfectly fair and fine there is no reason to avoid opening such a topic. Of course relying on the fact the topic will contain valid points and not rage accusations and shit thrown.

Yup, all true. What matters most in my opinion is the intention behind the post/criticism. Is it intended to throw more shit than is already being done, or is it intended to make the community better? The first should be removed, the latter is more than welcome.

[Younes]

The only reason why I made this topic is because I only seen players actually crying and saying "I want the server to change" but actual haven't done anything so far. The solution for a problem isn't leaving it behind, it's facing it and fixing what is wrong, and I can ensure everyone if we actually start to care to roleplay and not the in game virtual money and items, server would be alot better.

We do not need scripts, we do not need drugs, we need words, roleplay, interaction between players.. that's where the fun is. You'd get bored eventually of money because it doesn't change. The same way you get it, the same where you spend it. If you roleplay daily, scenarios vary and the more roleplay you see in the server, the higher the chance you'll encounter one and the better you learn..

This topic isn't to criticize, it's rather a wakeup call for all of us.. this is our server, not HQ's. We play here, we love Argonath, and we spent our years here making friends. Why would be dump just because some players don't play the way we like? Why do we have to be so angry about losing items in game?

We either reconsider ourselves.. or we'll lose something dear to us.

[Bogomil]

There is nothing to research. There are few things that are known - Carbon has to put tasks - when he does that - Bengt, Brian, Andeey and Trane have to find a way to fulfill those tasks. I put nothing personal in the things I say. For example Brian and Trane are also scripters - their role should be to find scripters to work for Argonath, create a working environment and control and lead them by example. Andeey is lead mapper, currently the server's smallest problem is lack of maps - that means he is doing his job well. For example if Carbon gives Bengt the task to review the rules and rewrite them, Bengt can use the help of our senior administrators and they can use the help of the helpers. All together should have main priority to supervise the staff team, supervise the players and find new innovative ways to improve the server and when someone is doing perfect in his area he can help the others.

Scripters should script, mappers should map, admins should punish rulebreakers, helpers should help players and HQ should supervise all of this.
But currently that chain is broken and I bet there is either a complete chaos in the HQ or no one cares. Memes won't help Argonath to get over the hard times, hard work and dedication will.
There is nothing personal in saying the things the way you see them, Miki.
One tip from me to everyone playing here: Once you log in in the server, put yourself behind and the community in front. Don't be selfish. Don't be arrogant and enjoy your stay, don't make it harder for you.
I also want to elaborate with facts about what I said about Brian that he's been arrogant. Several people witnessed that when they ask him something, sometimes he answers adequately and professional, but sometimes he ignores them or replies sarcastically.

[Miki.]

There is nothing to research. There are few things that are known - Carbon has to put tasks - when he does that - Bengt, Brian, Andeey and Trane have to find a way to fulfill those tasks. I put nothing personal in the things I say. For example Brian and Trane are also scripters - their role should be to find scripters to work for Argonath, create a working environment and control and lead them by example. Andeey is lead mapper, currently the server's smallest problem is lack of maps - that means he is doing his job well. For example if Carbon gives Bengt the task to review the rules and rewrite them, Bengt can use the help of our senior administrators and they can use the help of the helpers. All together should have main priority to supervise the staff team, supervise the players and find new innovative ways to improve the server and when someone is doing perfect in his area he can help the others.

Scripters should script, mappers should map, admins should punish rulebreakers, helpers should help players and HQ should supervise all of this.
But currently that chain is broken and I bet there is either a complete chaos in the HQ or no one cares. Memes won't help Argonath to get over the hard times, hard work and dedication will.
There is nothing personal in saying the things the way you see them, Miki.
One tip from me to everyone playing here: Once you log in in the server, put yourself behind and the community in front. Don't be selfish. Don't be arrogant and enjoy your stay, don't make it harder for you.
I also want to elaborate with facts about what I said about Brian that he's been arrogant. Several people witnessed that when they ask him something, sometimes he answers adequately and professional, but sometimes he ignores them or replies sarcastically.

Well firstly you were one of the people included in talking about a certain manager with out actual facts in your sayings I mean partly. I do understand you described what was seen by your eyes but that doesn't mean that's what actually going there are alot of things we the simple players don't know about how HQ / Staff / Arun operate, due to that it's hard to judge as well I can easily clear things to you as I did with greasy yesterday and he entirely changed his mind as far as I understood at least. and I'm not saying re search certain people hold very valuable information right now that might change your mind entirely that's why I'm no longer seen and I gave my everything constantly to new players and the server's progress but the stuff I witnessed made me decide I'm not logging in  any more it's simply a waste of time and you guys and you  personally bogo know how much I wanted that change and how I worked. now you can assume how hard the facts I hold are.

[psyron]

accept the fact that gta sa is dead and boring. make a fivem server and players will start swarming in like bees

[TheGreasyChopper]

 We get it, Management sucks, they're all evil, people left because of them yeah yeah.
 Who's gonna replace them then? How do you suggest that works? Don't just point at the problem, suggest a solution.

[Darty]

We get it, Management sucks, they're all evil, people left because of them yeah yeah.
 Who's gonna replace them then? How do you suggest that works? Don't just point at the problem, suggest a solution.

New management and developers. I've names in my head as well, but people are gonna come up with " no he's biased " just to shit on them

[AK47]

We get it, Management sucks, they're all evil, people left because of them yeah yeah.
 Who's gonna replace them then? How do you suggest that works? Don't just point at the problem, suggest a solution.

New management and developers. I've names in my head as well, but people are gonna come up with " no he's biased " just to shit on them

Let’s hear them then, prove people wrong if you can

[Richard.]

Although the player count really isn't good at the moment, I do believe that with the mass exodus we've seen in the past few days, we've lost many cancerous players. That's something to be happy about.

You really are trying to get the playerbase back

[Darty]

We get it, Management sucks, they're all evil, people left because of them yeah yeah.
 Who's gonna replace them then? How do you suggest that works? Don't just point at the problem, suggest a solution.

New management and developers. I've names in my head as well, but people are gonna come up with " no he's biased " just to shit on them

Let’s hear them then, prove people wrong if you can

Sure. Bring Khm back to manager/division leader first. He was literally the most dedicated person on the time he was a manager. He got demoted because he brought up a truth that the current management wouldn't want to come out. I noticed new players joining in that time as well. About the other people, I'm sure we can find a lot of persons who are willing to contribute for the server in the mean time.