Petition to leave SA:MP running

[Nathan]

Hello community!

I brought this up in private with no real answer given so I wanted to bring this up in public.

I am not willing to let Argonath SA:MP server die. Especially an abandoned, left out in the cold death like this. I understand we have no developers and understand that Badandy does not want to work on it anymore due to personal reasons. I 100% understand why he doesn't want to work on this anymore.

Instead, what I propose is to keep SA:MP running in parallel to the development of MTA:SA.

I am personally willing to learn to code / fund the development of SA:MP (if it comes to that) for one simple reason: nostalgia. I want to be able to login into SA:MP every couple of months/years and still experience the game I grew up with. I want to go in game and grow weed. I want to go in game and drive a Roadtrain and grind through truck stops. I want to go in game and drive through a deserted LV at night. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.

What this means specifically:
- Badandy continues work on MTA:SA and launches it as planned
- SA:MP will continue to run so that people can still enjoy the old server
- SA:MP will be in maintenance mode with no more features/upgrades until we find a developer willing to help

If you agree to this, please show your support. If you don't, let me know why.

[danigold1]

I am personally willing to learn to code / fund the development of SA:MP (if it comes to that) for one simple reason: nostalgia. I want to be able to login into SA:MP every couple of months/years and still experience the game I grew up with.

Are you sure the nostalgia is even possible considering the countless amount of topics made regarding why SAMP is dead and bad and not as it used to be because they updated the scripts to RScurrent# from RS-1?

Correct me if i'm wrong, but MTA:SA is still the same mod anyways, just running behind the scenes differently, no? What would stop you from experiencing that same SA in MTA than in MP? Andy had made it clear you'd still be able to go anywhere there.
The way I see it, its just a launcher.

[Badandy]

No.

[Badandy]

I am personally willing to learn to code / fund the development of SA:MP (if it comes to that) for one simple reason: nostalgia. I want to be able to login into SA:MP every couple of months/years and still experience the game I grew up with.

Are you sure the nostalgia is even possible considering the countless amount of topics made regarding why SAMP is dead and bad and not as it used to be because they updated the scripts to RScurrent# from RS-1?

Correct me if i'm wrong, but MTA:SA is still the same mod anyways, just running behind the scenes differently, no? What would stop you from experiencing that same SA in MTA than in MP? Andy had made it clear you'd still be able to go anywhere there.
The way I see it, its just a launcher.

MTA SA is a different mod and different community but as easy to install as any other program. MTA SA has more features and possibilities than SAMP will ever have, especially since MTA SA is still updated and open source. SAMP is no longer developed. The Argonath SAMP server has had many developers and leaders in the past couple years. I tried to do something with it and saw that there's no point. There's always waves of people who want to relive this experience. The SAMP server sucks. I didn't make this choice lightly or alone. The SAMP server will be shut down once the MTA SA server is released.

[danigold1]

I am personally willing to learn to code / fund the development of SA:MP (if it comes to that) for one simple reason: nostalgia. I want to be able to login into SA:MP every couple of months/years and still experience the game I grew up with.

Are you sure the nostalgia is even possible considering the countless amount of topics made regarding why SAMP is dead and bad and not as it used to be because they updated the scripts to RScurrent# from RS-1?

Correct me if i'm wrong, but MTA:SA is still the same mod anyways, just running behind the scenes differently, no? What would stop you from experiencing that same SA in MTA than in MP? Andy had made it clear you'd still be able to go anywhere there.
The way I see it, its just a launcher.

MTA SA is a different mod and different community but as easy to install as any other program. MTA SA has more features and possibilities than SAMP will ever have, especially since MTA SA is still updated and open source. SAMP is no longer developed. The Argonath SAMP server has had many developers and leaders in the past couple years. I tried to do something with it and saw that there's no point. There's always waves of people who want to relive this experience. The SAMP server sucks. I didn't make this choice lightly or alone. The SAMP server will be shut down once the MTA SA server is released.

Well there you go. This perfectly explains why moving to MTA is a good move and why this:

No.

was posted.

I am eagerly waiting to try out the MTASA Argonath server. 🙏

[Dean.]

lmao

[Kowalski.]

Nothing to lose per se by keeping it running, but there's nothing to gain either though. A bit pointless, but that's just my opinion. I'd have nothing against it going either way.

[Badandy]

Nothing to lose per se by keeping it running, but there's nothing to gain either though. A bit pointless, but that's just my opinion. I'd have nothing against it going either way.

Servers require hosting and resources to stay online. Sure, it's a small footprint and overall, it doesn't matter but that's one factor. The other factor is, if the server crashes or has an error, we still have to respond and handle it. As well, if we announce that the server is just legacy and will receive no updates and have no support, who's going to handle the rule breakers or hackers who ruin the fun of the few players who decide to play on the SAMP server? To me,.I see no interest in the SAMP server anymore. I have seen this same rhythm, same turning of the wheel of trying to do something with SAMP, try to revive it, save it and it always turning out the same way. The server wasn't designed to be played by 0 - 10 players. It heavily relies on player to player interaction but the server is quite boring otherwise. Sure, it can be fun to have a large weed field or truck drive sometimes but it gets old and you will be able to do that and more in MTA SA.

I don't want to kill SAMP just because but because I think it served long enough and we need to pass the torch on, retire this server and focus on what the future can be in MTA SA, the continuation of San Andreas in Argonath. If there is a feature in SAMP that you love, let me know and we can see about adapting it for MTA SA. My vision for MTA SA is to give the player more possibilities than SAMP could ever provide.

Let's remember the good times we had in Argonath SAMP while making new memories in Argonath MTA SA.

[Nathan]

Servers require hosting and resources to stay online. Sure, it's a small footprint and overall, it doesn't matter but that's one factor. The other factor is, if the server crashes or has an error, we still have to respond and handle it. As well, if we announce that the server is just legacy and will receive no updates and have no support, who's going to handle the rule breakers or hackers who ruin the fun of the few players who decide to play on the SAMP server?

That's why I stated clearly, I would take over on both hosting and for updates to learn to code or to get someone to help me to code (not you specifically). At this time, all it seems is that YOU made the decision for all of us and because you're personally tired of SA:MP, you get to shut it down. Nobody agreed to this and yet it's being imposed on us.

Why do you get to dictate the future? Leave it alone and go build your MTA:SA project. It hurts no one.

[Badandy]

Servers require hosting and resources to stay online. Sure, it's a small footprint and overall, it doesn't matter but that's one factor. The other factor is, if the server crashes or has an error, we still have to respond and handle it. As well, if we announce that the server is just legacy and will receive no updates and have no support, who's going to handle the rule breakers or hackers who ruin the fun of the few players who decide to play on the SAMP server?

That's why I stated clearly, I would take over on both hosting and for updates to learn to code or to get someone to help me to code (not you specifically). At this time, all it seems is that YOU made the decision for all of us and because you're personally tired of SA:MP, you get to shut it down. Nobody agreed to this and yet it's being imposed on us.

Why do you get to dictate the future? Leave it alone and go build your MTA:SA project. It hurts no one.

None of this is up to solely me. This has been brought up with community leadership and SAMP staff and brought up several times to everyone, including the MTA SA Announcement topic and yet no one seems to be caring except for you. People who responded to this haven't cared. I haven't received messages about anyone asking for the SAMP server to stay up. Hell, when I asked players in the main discord about the SAMP Argonath Birthday event, no one seemed interested. Every major decision I have made has been put through many people. If people cared, wouldn't there be alot more noise? If leadership disagreed with me, wouldn't they step in? This isn't new news, this has been talked about for months. I am not the sole decider on this, I never have been.

[Nylez]

No.

[Huntsman]

The advantage of MTA:SA is essentially that it allows much more functionality and customizability that on par with Five:M for GTA V, meaning you can create very complex and advanced features for your server, and has a near-native sync.

It's still the same game, just a different, more functional client. I do not understand why would you want to keep the SA:MP server running.

Basically:

No.

No.

I would much rather have Argonath finally do something new for a change to try and resolve the situation rather than keep beating a dead horse. What's to loose at this point anyways.

[Kessu]

Servers require hosting and resources to stay online. Sure, it's a small footprint and overall, it doesn't matter but that's one factor. The other factor is, if the server crashes or has an error, we still have to respond and handle it. As well, if we announce that the server is just legacy and will receive no updates and have no support, who's going to handle the rule breakers or hackers who ruin the fun of the few players who decide to play on the SAMP server?

That's why I stated clearly, I would take over on both hosting and for updates to learn to code or to get someone to help me to code (not you specifically). At this time, all it seems is that YOU made the decision for all of us and because you're personally tired of SA:MP, you get to shut it down. Nobody agreed to this and yet it's being imposed on us.

Why do you get to dictate the future? Leave it alone and go build your MTA:SA project. It hurts no one.

The decision to shut SA:MP down was made after long period of thought, it is not a random decision and it was not up to badandy to decide alone. Community input overall has also been heard and the overall state of SA:MP server currently, it is just not a project we want to support.

Should someone want to create a new SA:MP server from scratch can always contact the CLs, but we will not continue with the current SA:MP server. We also do not want to keep up a server with no administration nor management.

[danigold1]

Leave it alone and go build your MTA:SA project. It hurts no one.

See now I think this mindset is problematic and its unfortunate you see that what could easily be considered as an upgrade over whats currently available, as someone's personal project that isn't for everyone's potential benefit.

The MTA project isn't "his", its everyone's; including you and me.

[Badandy]

I should share again, this question was also polled and a majority said not to run both servers. That being said, there's a good chunk that still wanted both but we have decided to only go with MTA SA.