Petition to leave SA:MP running

[Badandy]

I mean, if no one's logging in..just kill it.

I don't see the point though. Gandalf said that it bears no significant server costs and it would still stay up. So now we must kill it? Go to therapy maybe.

Hosting isn't the exact issue but it does have a cost. Since if the server goes down or crashes or has issues, we would have to respond. As well, having a server with no management, developers or administrators will lead to issues for players coming on and encounter hackers or bug abusers that may ruin their fun. As well, this server is a representation of this community. I don't see the SAMP server as a good or fun server as it was in the past. We could keep it running but from discussions with community leadership, staff and players we have decided to close it once the MTA SA server launches as we see it as the future of the San Andreas division. The responses on this topic and the poll enforces that decision even though some are against the closure.

We have spent years trying to fix this old server with many leaders and developers. This wasn't an easy decision and at one point I thought it was crazy. I hope to capture some of the feeling the SAMP server provided while also making it a brand new experience. I invite you to check it out once it's out and see how the SAMP server is while it's still around.

[Kessu]

I mean, if no one's logging in..just kill it.

I don't see the point though. Gandalf said that it bears no significant server costs and it would still stay up. So now we must kill it? Go to therapy maybe.

Gandalf's words from years prior is irrelevant because the server is not hosted on Argonath, it is hosted for Argonath.

[Darxez]

Why is this even a thing again?

Seriously; leave Badandy do what he wants with the backing he has. If you do not like it; well, sucks for you; it has been proven many times that you have an agenda behind what you say most of the time. Previous statements have shown there is a genuine interest in this thing actually happening. Accept it, move on and stop being what the previous (server) leadership has been. The stick that has stopped the wheel from turning, and you are also part of that issue.

[danigold1]

It really feels like some of you people just hate the thought of progress, which is a shame.
MTA:SA is objectively a step in the right direction to ~sAvGIng TiHs DyiNg ComMunIty~ yet you wish to stay in the "good old days"; which are.. literally futureless as its gonna be gone and you can't change it (and thank fucking god you can't).

My honest tip for you anti-progress people; join us in MTA:SA once it opens and see how it is. You have nothing to lose and might very well love it just as much as SAMP, if not more than.
Otherwise, stay mad lol 💁‍♀️

[Nathan]

It really feels like some of you people just hate the thought of progress, which is a shame.

It’s not progress when the story for the last decade has been to over promise and way under deliver. People like myself are tired that a select few make decisions for all of us when in reality they themselves are not active in the servers. Even worse, I personally believe that it’s a mistake to shutdown something that works for something that “could potentially be better”.

All we were presented with is a long plan with a ton of ideas and some screenshots. At least with III:MP, we get consistent updates on where things are going.

We’ve been having this Discussion since May. What has changed three months later? A 10 thousand word essay about a brighter future? No timelines, no dates, just some arbitrary “coming soon”. One by one, people login less and less. Shit even Discord is dead.

So what’s the request on my end? Don’t shutdown a working server for a halfbaked replacement. It doesn’t hurt anyone.

[Kessu]

No timelines, no dates, just some arbitrary “coming soon”.

Welcome to the world of volunteer dev work and hobbies.

Did you forget that we are not a business again?

It’s not progress when the story for the last decade has been to over promise and way under deliver.

We have not promised a damn thing. That's part of the reason why we are not giving deadlines, because if we make a deadline and miss it, you will go batshit crazy on the forums and open 10 of these topics again. Badandy will work on MTA:SA as long as he can/wants to, if it gets completed, good. If not, nothing will change.

SA:MP will only close once MTA:SA is complete.

So what’s the request on my end? Don’t shutdown a working server for a halfbaked replacement. It doesn’t hurt anyone.

Being open =/= working. Since the start of RS5 people have complained how shit the script is. The server has virtually zero activity, what in it "works" exactly? Just because it's a nostalgia trip for you isn't a reason good enough for us to host a server nobody plays on and that has no staff involvement once a newer server releases.

Shit even Discord is dead.

There are active Argo discords, you just ain't part of them

[danigold1]

It really feels like some of you people just hate the thought of progress, which is a shame.

It’s not progress when the story for the last decade has been to over promise and way under deliver. People like myself are tired that a select few make decisions for all of us when in reality they themselves are not active in the servers. Even worse, I personally believe that it’s a mistake to shutdown something that works for something that “could potentially be better”.

All we were presented with is a long plan with a ton of ideas and some screenshots. At least with III:MP, we get consistent updates on where things are going.

We’ve been having this Discussion since May. What has changed three months later? A 10 thousand word essay about a brighter future? No timelines, no dates, just some arbitrary “coming soon”. One by one, people login less and less. Shit even Discord is dead.

So what’s the request on my end? Don’t shutdown a working server for a halfbaked replacement. It doesn’t hurt anyone.

Ah, so you seem to have read my post in this topic and chose the "stay mad lol" option. 💁‍♀️
For real maybe try going out a bit. Summer's here, maybe go to the beach with friends.

[Huntsman]

Shutting it down seems to be the best unnecessary decision considering the above.

The "cost" of maintaining SAMP was already explained ages ago. It's not about server fees, but rather about human resources that are required to keep the server running. It'd need to be troubleshooted if it's down, it'd still need to have admins and management to look after it

Nobody of you played SAMP anymore. The server was essentially dead. Why are you complaining now all of a sudden?

It really feels like some of you people just hate the thought of progress, which is a shame.

It’s not progress when the story for the last decade has been to over promise and way under deliver. People like myself are tired that a select few make decisions for all of us when in reality they themselves are not active in the servers. Even worse, I personally believe that it’s a mistake to shutdown something that works for something that “could potentially be better”.

All we were presented with is a long plan with a ton of ideas and some screenshots. At least with III:MP, we get consistent updates on where things are going.

We’ve been having this Discussion since May. What has changed three months later? A 10 thousand word essay about a brighter future? No timelines, no dates, just some arbitrary “coming soon”. One by one, people login less and less. Shit even Discord is dead.

So what’s the request on my end? Don’t shutdown a working server for a halfbaked replacement. It doesn’t hurt anyone.

You keep forgetting that nobody owes you anything here. These people do what they do free of charge on their own free time. Be grateful instead of moaning like a lil b. for like ten pages now.

Again, you had your own chance to run things to an extent. You ran away and made a dramatic exit of "leaving the community". You are in no position to complain at all.

[Mario_Rinna]

It’s not progress when the story for the last decade has been to over promise and way under deliver. People like myself are tired that a select few make decisions for all of us when in reality they themselves are not active in the servers. Even worse, I personally believe that it’s a mistake to shutdown something that works for something that “could potentially be better”. All we were presented with is a long plan with a ton of ideas and some screenshots. At least with III:MP, we get consistent updates on where things are going. We’ve been having this Discussion since May. What has changed three months later? A 10 thousand word essay about a brighter future? No timelines, no dates, just some arbitrary “coming soon”. One by one, people login less and less. Shit even Discord is dead. So what’s the request on my end? Don’t shutdown a working server for a halfbaked replacement. It doesn’t hurt anyone.

[Mario_Rinna]

The "cost" of maintaining SAMP was already explained ages ago. It's not about server fees, but rather about human resources that are required to keep the server running. It'd need to be troubleshooted if it's down, it'd still need to have admins and management to look after it

You forgot about the security issues. It may not be easy to come across this here, with an empty(ish) server, but in popular SA-MP servers, there are "hackers" who can crash your game, steal your personal data, or even infect your PC. No server host will be able to protect you, if those script kiddies got half a brain and aren't openly advertising what they're doing.

[Stivi]

Yo guys, I'm in no way complaining about a dead server. My post before literally suggested Nathan creates his own RS5 if that's what he wants.

As for SA:MP, my suggestion was to do nothing, that is all. Did I defend it or trash-talk this community effort to transition to MTA:SA? ( But if you wanna argue progress, then should I remind you MTA:SA existed before? xD )

If someone is paying any money or time for a dead server, then maybe they should reconsider why. I strongly suggest they stop doing that. That said, it's still up to the person paying the bills, not the community.

[Thom]

I think it will bring peace to many nostalgia junkies to turn the page, I also hold argonath sa:mp dear, but I can't see the reason anymore to desperately prolong it. Running both servers could also harm the MTA Vision for example strip it off the opportunity to show its true colors!

Life works by opposing forces and that's the beauty of it, there's no peak without bottom and no fun times without worse times. I say turn the page. Look how many people go through the trouble to bang their heads against their wall and write forum essays for years now, instead of enjoying a simple F game.. This is not fun anymore this is psychological torture. Did y'all forget the force that made you get hooked with Argonath?

I say, if SA:MP was worth keeping then you wouldn't have to make a petition for it, let it show - and it has already showed -

[Huntsman]

My post before literally suggested Nathan creates his own RS5 if that's what he wants.

Haha.

Okay. Well, to be fair - I do not want Nathan to be masquarading using Argonath's name. I do not think Nathan should be trusted with having the scripts and Argonath assets in his possession, especially given the attitude and mentality towards other people and their opinions he has displayed here. I am more than confident this is a sentiment that's shared by the majority.

Also, what Thom said puts it very nicely:

I think it will bring peace to many nostalgia junkies to turn the page, I also hold argonath sa:mp dear, but I can't see the reason anymore to desperately prolong it. Running both servers could also harm the MTA Vision for example strip it off the opportunity to show its true colors!

Life works by opposing forces and that's the beauty of it, there's no peak without bottom and no fun times without worse times. I say turn the page. Look how many people go through the trouble to bang their heads against their wall and write forum essays for years now, instead of enjoying a simple F game.. This is not fun anymore this is psychological torture. Did y'all forget the force that made you get hooked with Argonath?

I say, if SA:MP was worth keeping then you wouldn't have to make a petition for it, let it show - and it has already showed -

[Klaus]

I don't know all the ins and outs and the history of it all, though I get the gist of what's happening and I think it's in everyone's best interest to back the Community Leaders and their plans for a new San Andreas server.

Running multiple servers for the same game isn't good for the community as it splits the playerbase for no reason other than the multiplayer mod. To my knowledge, MTA:SA is the superior mod, with more support and potential moving forwards. SA:MP may(?) have now been abandoned by it's development team, so why keep using it? MTA:SA should give everything you would experience on SA:MP but better? Correct me if I'm wrong on that. Holding on to SA:MP just because of nostalgia would be wrong. There would have to be solid reasons to choose SA:MP over MTA:SA. Highlight them if there are.

I remember the community having similar issues back when both the MTA:VC server and the VC:MP server were running in parallel, some 10 or 12 years ago now. The MTA:VC server was practically abandoned development wise, and the mod was inferior to VC:MP in every way possible. A number of people chose to stay playing on MTA however, just because of nostalgia. It wasn't good for either server, as although it was only a small hand full of players still on MTA, they could have contributed towards the VC:MP server and it's future (as development was active and moving). In the end they just disappeared from the community, along with the server.

In conclusion, if you like the game GTA:SA and want to continue playing it within the realm of Argonath, choose the best mod out there and focus all efforts on it. Don't split up resources and playerbase just for nostalgia reasons. That's my advise.

[Stivi]

We have had MTA:SA and SA:MP running parallel before, one didn't kill the other, why would it happen this time? How in the fuck would SA:MP kill MTA:SA

They will not be running parallel, I do not think there's anyone here who would like to join SA:MP, it's dead, we get it. But why do you feel compelled to do the extra steps and shut it down?