Argonath is dead

[Klaus]

Do you get my point? Why do we have leaders who refuse to take actions, refuse to listen to the player base, refuse to take initiative and lead and instead EXPECT that the players do the heavy lifting for them?

Excuse me? Why are you talking about me when you have zero fucking idea what I've done or am doing? Since you've decided to judge me though, I'll make my judgement on you. I've never met you in the game before, but going solely on your posts on the forum you're a fucking fringe mate. You need to stop generalising the community as to whatever you think it is, because guess what you're wrong you total mong. We're leading just fine, and the community is happy. Maybe Huntsman was right about you and you've got your head so far up your arsehole and can't see what's in front of you. You love seeing activity, yet you choose to continue spreading fake news by saying Argonath is dead? Do us all a favour and do something productive instead of chatting absolute bullocks on the forums. Get involved or just jog on. You're nothing but a downer and these topics just spread negativity and nothing else. Take a look at the replies, no one agrees with the nonsensical garbage you continue to post. I don't know who you think you're appeasing but please, go find them and spam their forum instead? You're more than welcome to join us in the game Nathan, but I'd bet that you're probably all talk and no walk. Absolute prat.

[Nylez]

 

FROM THE ROOF!

[Klaus]

Argonath isn't dead though. I'm playing it almost daily. This whole topic is a lie !

Nah It is stop be hypocrisy boi!

Welcome back, Brian. Tip of the day, don't jump to conclusions after being inactive for 2/3 years.

[danigold1]

Damn, he ulted 😮

[Hammer_]

Do you get my point? Why do we have leaders who refuse to take actions, refuse to listen to the player base, refuse to take initiative and lead and instead EXPECT that the players do the heavy lifting for them?

Excuse me? Why are you talking about me when you have zero fucking idea what I've done or am doing? Since you've decided to judge me though, I'll make my judgement on you. I've never met you in the game before, but going solely on your posts on the forum you're a fucking fringe mate. You need to stop generalising the community as to whatever you think it is, because guess what you're wrong you total mong. We're leading just fine, and the community is happy. Maybe Huntsman was right about you and you've got your head so far up your arsehole and can't see what's in front of you. You love seeing activity, yet you choose to continue spreading fake news by saying Argonath is dead? Do us all a favour and do something productive instead of chatting absolute bullocks on the forums. Get involved or just jog on. You're nothing but a downer and these topics just spread negativity and nothing else. Take a look at the replies, no one agrees with the nonsensical garbage you continue to post. I don't know who you think you're appeasing but please, go find them and spam their forum instead? You're more than welcome to join us in the game Nathan, but I'd bet that you're probably all talk and no walk. Absolute prat.

[Hammer_]

Argonath isn't dead though. I'm playing it almost daily. This whole topic is a lie !

Nah It is stop be hypocrisy boi!

Welcome back, Brian. Tip of the day, don't jump to conclusions after being inactive for 2/3 years.

Is Janich, Janich Corleone?

[Kessu]

But why does it require YOU specifically to take responsibility and do all this heavy work instead of the leadership? Do you get my point? Why do we have leaders who refuse to take actions, refuse to listen to the player base, refuse to take initiative and lead and instead EXPECT that the players do the heavy lifting for them?

You taking jabs at me is fine, but now you crossed a line.

Huntsman first of all isn't telling you the entire story, we've had discussions in the discord prior and he threw a half-suggestion of taking on VCPD, to which a VC:MP Admin added that he will join him as Captain (Nylez) and I told him within minutes to convince Klaus to give him Chief again. He was made Chief the next day. Then we all pretty much went back ingame and shot up the activity to be around 1/6th of the entire VC:MP playerbase and by far the top server activity wise.

The leadership and administration team in VC:MP is more than doing everything in their power to keep up server activity despite your utterly fucking clueless bullshit claims.

Now you may ask yourself, why am I telling you all this? Because it's not fucking possible for leaders to do everything. The community is the PLAYERS. Leaders just give them the platform to play in. We can not and will not attempt to tell players where they should spend their time in and when. People play if they choose to play. This is a fact your brain can't seem to wrap around and understand anything about how a community actually works. You want to pull what Argo did before and make your own community? Go right ahead, no one's stopping you. We'll all wave at you with a smile on our faces on your way to the exit.

I don't lead this community, you do. A bunch of rambling about me and how I'm unfit to lead and how much of cancer I am to the community, yet the focus isn't on me but why the community has died.

Answer the questions:

1. Why did the community die? Who is at fault? I would love to hear your point of view on this.

2. What have YOU done specifically to drive the community forward?

3. What has the leadership team done specifically to grow the community?

Are you braindead? I've already told you, I have repeatedly answered these questions that you have asked in the past year, but you clearly have some reading comprehension issues on top of whatever the fuck is going on causing you to go on these absolutely ridiculous rants about history you don't even know anything about.

It does not make anyone unfit to lead to not repeat replies given to the same person for the 10th time, that makes the person ignoring the replies a fucking twat at best and pathetic loser at worst. You don't like hearing the truth so you instead keep repeating the same questions in hopes of a different answer. The answers are not going to change, they are there for the reading. Go get your reading glasses if you got any, open any of the forum topics you've opened (and not deleted your posts, edited them out etc) and get to fucking reading if you want the answers AGAIN.

Do us all a favor and take your exit before you humiliate yourself more.

[Brian.]

Argonath isn't dead though. I'm playing it almost daily. This whole topic is a lie !

Nah It is stop be hypocrisy boi!

Welcome back, Brian. Tip of the day, don't jump to conclusions after being inactive for 2/3 years.

Thanks bro,  I was saying my opnion when i joined lately and there were no body online :P

[Thom]

#recognize_argonath_death

[danigold1]

ARGONATH RPG ONLY FAKED ITS DEATH ONCE
ARGONATH RPG ONLY FAKED ITS DEATH ONCE
YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Sawyer]

ARGONATH RPG ONLY ROLEPLAYED ITS DEATH ONCE
ARGONATH RPG ONLY ROLEPLAYED ITS DEATH ONCE
YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Fixed it for you, Dani. 

[Janicch]

Welcome back, Brian. Tip of the day, don't jump to conclusions after being inactive for 2/3 years.

Is Janich, Janich Corleone?

Dean "Krutoi" Corleone 

[TheGreasyChopper]

 Root cause analysis and problem solving and pointing fingers at problems are two very similar things, with one difference - the former is productive. We get it, Kessu=bad, HQ=bad, owners=gone, Argo=dead. It's been said time and time again, yet for some reason people just keep coming back to post the same insane shit over and over again.

 While I am not going to start pointing fingers and blaming people(the ones at fault are long gone), I have to admit that Nathan is, at least partially, right. The community itself has felt dead for quite a while now, with the active memberbase being close to what once was a simple group or a clan. It's rather interesting seeing players who once mentioned how centralizing the community is bad(All of you Carson haters, I'm looking at you) saying how great of an idea to focus on VCMP is. Didn't someone once say that you can't expect the server to be up or anything of the sort by having a small community within the community? Isn't this what SAMP did for a time in the community aspect? Which is also going on with VCMP right now? It seems to me that our community has turned into a nomadic group just changing their place of residence every once in a while - it's the same faces.

Now I have to contradict myself, but I feel like pointing at the elephant in the room - lack of new players. This is something that we have no direct way to influence - people just stopped joining at some point. This has nothing to do with HQ chasing people off or people "pulling an Argonath" on us. Sure, we may have an X amount of people registering IG, on forums or anywhere, but lets not lie to eachother - there's a serious lack of new players, which in a way makes Argonath a "dying community".

People go inactive, leave, get banned, they stop playing for many reasons. But without new people coming to replace them, any community is destined to die off. A community is unified by common goals, ideas, we have The Vision. But with an active playerbase of 50-60, do we really have more in common or less?

Nate, it is obvious that you are not enjoying spending time in Argonath, why not take a break? I'm not saying "if you don't like it, door's there", I'm talking from my personal experience. Take some time away, join a different community, check back in a few months and see if there's any progress worth returning to. If not? Rinse and repeat.

As for the others, I completely understand where it's coming from, but is this attitude toward Nathan really the way? The man comes forward pointing at problems, you point a finger at him and start with personal attacks. Didn't we have something about Zero Tolerance to Toxicity? Or was that a SAMP thing? I don't know why but both sides keep coming at eachother with the exact same things over and over again. Why would it work this time?

[Nylez]

Hey TGC, good to see you're still around! Your freeway is still around on VCMP as a memory of you playing on our server. Can we expect a return from you every now and then? You're as welcome as ever! 

[Hammer_]

Not sure if I'm stating the obvious, but toxicity has always been one of the reasons for the decline of Argonath. No one can discuss all of this in a healthy manner, without provoking one another which is why so many of these topics, on and on and on since 2018 till 2022 have just been coming over, and over again, but kept failing. I do enjoy seeing these topics though because I see somewhat playerbase that is left, that still cares. People come on forums, a lot of them, everyday. No one bothers to go in-game, myself included. Just for the next time, if another topic like this opens up, I hope it's a healthy discussion in which we're able to take the risks and bring Argonath back from the grave. To be honest, if there's anything left to bring this back, it's the one's left at the moment, all of us working together can bring it back. Many left because we kept fighting amongst ourselves instead of the issue, I'd just say be patient, and let's work on all of this together, without fighting each other. It's Argo players vs the problem, not argo players vs argo players. I hope Nathan reads this as well, and instead of pointing fingers, let's correct those problems. All of this will be resolved soon, and we'll bring Argonath back!
P.S; There's over 80 guests online, and 2 users on forums, how will we bring Argo back when we aren't even able to attract those 80 guests on forums right now? They see us fighting, and find it pointless to even join a once great community.