In character and Out of character discussion

[[NP]Monte Montague]

It doesn't take a person with 90000 IQ to realise when someone is rping and when they are not 


The "OOC / IC" thing is difficult to use - for CMB admins for example.
The questions "What does RP mean?" does not fall under RP unless we're talking about being in real life and asking about a game ... why complicate everything :/

I made a /ad and said "purchasing", people asked "How much you selling for?" or something, it's much easier to say in pm "I'm not selling, i'm buying" then I said "Purchasing = buying, I am buying not sellling"

[Leon.]

Yo bro, I ain't gonna deny it, but I used dat IC/OOC stuff before, dawg. Wanna know something cool? Really cool? I never got it from another RP server.

Anyway, I'm what I call myself... a "freedom roleplayer." I don't care if you use IC/OOC or not. If you use IC/OOC, I don't go all "f**k YOU f**kING SRS RP ZOMG ROLEPLAY bad guy ASS MOTHER f**kER" and go to my homies and cry about the srs zomg leet rper. If you DON'T use IC/OOC, I don't go all "f**k YOU f**kING NON RP ZOMG NON ROLEPLAY bad guy ASS MOTHER f**kER" and go to my homies and cry about the stupid noob non-rper.
I'll normally PM a player who I haven't roleplayed with in the past, "Do you use IC/OOC?", because I'm actually afraid of the "f**k YOU f**kING SRS RP ZOMG ROLEPLAY bad guy ASS MOTHER f**kER" people who'll flip if I use the OOC tags. I don't care if someone goes "f**k YOU f**kING NO RP ZOMG NON ROLEPLAY bad guy ASS MOTHER f**kER" when I don't use IC/OOC around them, because I know for a fact that they're wrong.

You know what? I have a confession. I am a serious roleplayer most of the time. You know the ACTUAL definition of it? Please refer to the bottom quote of my signature. People often misinterpret serious roleplay and throw fingers going "SRS RPER" like it's an insult.

Serious roleplay is NOT YOUR AVERAGE STEREOTYPE.

* MetalLuigiX stops at door

* MetalLuigiX puts his hand on the doorknob

* MetalLuigiX puts his fingers around the doorknob

* MetalLuigiX twists to the right at about 1km/h

* MetalLuigiX stops

* MetalLuigiX pulls the door

* MetalLuigiX steps back so the door doesn't hit him

* MetalLuigiX puts one foot in front of him

* MetalLuigiX pushes the door some more

OH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, THAT IS NOT SERIOUS ROLEPLAY! That is just over-exaggerated "real life roleplay" (notice the QUOTES AROUND "REAL LIFE ROLEPLAY" TO YOU ANTI-SRS RPERS OUT THERE).

Serious roleplay DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE THIS
/l (( yo bro lol i gotta piss lol hey bro ))

Serious roleplay is ALSO NOT THIS
/l hey cum har ima pres ur buton an shot gun near u wile u speaka jus so i kan skare u lolol

* MetalLuigiX takes a gun and cocks it LOL COCK I SAID COCK ELFEWIOFJEQWOIFJweo

Serious roleplay can be any of the following:

* MetalLuigiX takes a gun and cocks it

* MetalLuigiX opens the door slowly

/l Hey, how's it going?


I don't give a flying firetruck if you use IC/OOC or not. I don't give a flying firetruck if Argonath has rules in favor of IC/OOC (which it doesn't). I don't give a flying firetruck if you just throw in a bunch of random shit into roleplay like PENIS.
I give a flying firetruck when IC/OOC users cry at the guys who don't use IC/OOC about them being NON RP, bad guyS, etc...
I give a flying firetruck when non-IC/OOC users throw fingers and bricks and go "f**kING IC/OOC USER HAS NO BRAIN CANT RP f**kING LOW RP FAG SKILL."

Seriously, guys. I thought Argonath was a free roleplay server, where you could roleplay how YOU PLEASE, not how some other jack-ass judges you for.

Forgot to mention (and I don't feel like looking for where to put this): I like to dick around sometimes too, so I'm not 100% "ZOMG RP."


Let me clarify a few things.

• Using IC/OOC doesn't make a player stupid. Those who say it does make you stupid actually cause themselves to be stupid, because they broke the golden rule - NO FLAMING
• Using and not using IC/OOC doesn't make a player a bad roleplayer. It's just a little thing some players opt in for, opt out of...it's their choice.
• IC/OOC Extremists are retards if they call non-IC/OOC users bad roleplayers, tards, etc...
• Non-IC/OOC extremists are retards if they call IC/OOC users bad roleplayers, people who can't use their brain, tards, etc...

And last but not least
Stop giving a f**k about how another player f**king roleplays. Don't like IC/OOC? f**king deal with it, because it's never going to stop as long as Argonath has it's amazing free roleplay style which I've come to adore.
Don't like when players who don't use IC/OOC? f**king deal with it, because refer to above.
If a player wants to use IC/OOC, f**king let them. Don't call them stupid, incapable of roleplaying, or whatever, because 1. You're stupid for calling them stupid. 2. They're as capable as roleplaying as you.
If a player doesn't want to use IC/OOC, f**king let them. Refer to above.

In the United States of America, Freedom of Religion allows me to be a Satanist, Christian, or Buddhist (not saying I'm religious). In the United States of America, Freedom of Roleplay allows me to use IC/OOC or not use IC/OOC.

Anyone crying about another person's roleplay style/type/way/whatever you want to call it should really burn in Sauron's personal hell.

[Dave]

In the United States of America, Freedom of Roleplay allows me to use IC/OOC or not use IC/OOC.

Freedom to a certain extent. Argonath is not totally free...there are rules, regulations and guidelines that must be followed.
These guidelines make up the Argonath Vision. With the Vision being the ultimate goal of the community. Through the eyes of the people who created and the supporters of the Vision, OOC and IC are hinderances to the goal of this community becoming the complete ideal that it has always been working towards.

[9r2e5i3k]

again Luweegee

And I will go /L brackets >:@ $)*&^%$_@*(&$@+_$   (and that's a 90% exact quote of what I usually say) when someone uses them around me.

[Dave]

You mad again Luweegee

And I will go /L brackets >:@ $)*&^%$_@*(&$@+_$   (and that's a 90% exact quote of what I usually say) when someone uses them around me.

I just walk away...

[Leon.]

Freedom to a certain extent. Argonath is not totally free...there are rules, regulations and guidelines that must be followed.

I didn't say "ARGONATH IS FREE", I said "Argonath is free roleplay." I can roleplay a f**king PENIS if I wanted to. The only restrictions on roleplay are the rules, which they must abide by, just as the United States has laws whether you're religious or not. I can't stab someone in the neck with the excuse "He was possessed." I also can't do f**k THIS SERVER f**k THE ADMINS f**k ALL OF YOU and use the excuse "I was roleplaying."

These guidelines make up the Argonath Vision. With the Vision being the ultimate goal of the community. Through the eyes of the people who created and the supporters of the Vision, OOC and IC are hinderances to the goal of this community becoming the complete ideal that it has always been working towards.

Help me here, Dave. I've got a bad case of astigmatism and have poor eyesight, and I sit beyond arm's reach of my monitor, so if you would be so kind to point out the part that is related in any way to IC/OOC?

Argonath RPG was founded in 2006 with a clear target.
The founders were upset with the community they left because of how people treated each other, and how there was a lack of recognition from the administration for the efforts of new players and those who were not in the favour of leaders.
There for it was decided to create a new community that would be open to all people, and where new players were treated same as regulars and veterans. With a new community this was not a problem, as everyone was new and the only veterans were the main leaders.
With the growth of the community over the years, there have been a number of players who do not know about the origins of our community, and the goals that were set when creating it. As a result, there has been a clash between people who feel that they are entitled because of being regulars and the goals and ideas of the owners and developers.
To clarify this, we present our vision.

1.   Argonath was, is, and will always be a community that should be friendly to new people. We will continue to be  a breeding ground for new people to discover the fun of playing by imagination. This is what has brought us official status and creates a regular flow of new players in to our server, keeping the community alive and feeding it.
2.   Argonath gives equal rights to new, experienced and admin players. We do not discriminate between players, and having admin rights or being a long time player does not give any of our players rights to act as better, higher or having more status as another.
3.   Argonath does not offer privileges against payment. The equal status prohibits any possibility of payment for extra possibilities, rights or money in game.
4.   Argonath strives to keep rules simple and understandable. Our community was created as free RP, based on imagination and creativity. We will not ever support it changing in to a jungle of rules that are impossible to understand, follow and adhere to. Our rules will remain the minimal needed to stop players who wish to disturb the fun in playing from doing so, not more and not less.
5.   Argonath leaders will accept new rules and scripts only if they fit the vision. If any suggestion is limiting the possibility to play for new players, strives to give advantage to more experienced players, or creates a more complex rule that would make it hard to understand or follow, it will be rejected, regardless of how much support there is from the community
6.   Argonath players are, regardless of point 5, free to implement within their group or play guidelines and habits of playing. However they are not allowed to force people outside their group to use the same rules, resort to flaming, insulting, or trying to excluse players who do not play by non-official group rules.
7.   Argonath administration team will devote their time primarily to keep players following the guidelines. They apply for this knowingly, and will be given rights and levels according to their devotion, ability to help out others and follow the guidelines given to them. Admin rights shall never be given as reward or to show status. Promotions in the admin team will be based on the perception of the developers and main admins, and shall not be given based on seniority. If at any time admins feel not able to continue their devotion to admin guidelines, they are invited to resign. Resigning from admin rights or losing them should not reflect on the players status or recognition as valuable member of the community.
8.   Argonath recognizes that a part of the community is underage. There for the following shall be prohibited:
a.   Swearing, flaming and insulting. Within roleplay this is allowed very limited and strictly bound to the situation. If there is any doubt about the slang/language used is for ropleplay only,  administration has full right to take any measures they find necessary.
b.   Promotion of usage of alcohol, drugs and other stimulating substances. We respect the freedom of choice, however people should be respecting that others who have different beliefs and choices have this right as well
c.   Explicit sexual content. While within roleplay and discussion a certain freedom is granted, the underage community should be protected from eplicit sexual actions or content.
d.   Cyberharrasment, stalking and bullying of players based on their belief, views, race or choices in life.
9.   Argonath bases its community on respect and friendship between players of all nations.  This means that those who feel that they are allowed to disrespect others, consider others as inferior or treat them as such will be offered the choice to either change their views or leave the community. This includes any groups of players in game.
10.   Argonath will remain as open, friendly and strong community for people worldwide who wish to enjoy playing a game based on imagination and creativity.

I hope everyone will take the time to read this, and take this as their core values.

*GASP* I DIDN'T KNOW ARGONATH WAS FOUNDED TO BE AN ANTI IC/OOC SERVER!!!!1111111

I'll also point out to the OMEGA ANTI IC/OOC people

6.   Argonath players are, regardless of point 5, free to implement within their group or play guidelines and habits of playing. However they are not allowed to force people outside their group to use the same rules, resort to flaming, insulting, or trying to excluse players who do not play by non-official group rules.

Many of you OMEGA ANTI IC/OOC and OMEGA IC/OOC users have BOTH gone against point 6. You all know who you are, and you should be HIGHLY disappointed in yourselves.

And I will go /L brackets >:@ $)*&^%$_@*(&$@+_$   (and that's a 90% exact quote of what I usually say) when someone uses them around me.

That type of response is acceptable :P

again Luweegee

[9r2e5i3k]

Many of you OMEGA ANTI IC/OOC and OMEGA IC/OOC users have BOTH gone against point 6. You all know who you are, and you should be HIGHLY disappointed in yourselves.

6.   Argonath players are, regardless of point 5, free to implement within their group or play guidelines and habits of playing. However they are not allowed to force people outside their group to use the same rules, resort to flaming, insulting, or trying to excluse players who do not play by non-official group rules.

ITT (at least it started with) interactions between regulars and NEW players. How can a NEW player be in a group already?  :roll:

[Leon.]

ITT (at least it started with) interactions between regulars and NEW players. How can a NEW player be in a group already?  :roll:

Ironically enough, you're in a group as soon as the thought of you being born came into existence. Think about it
In your example, the new players are in the unofficial group called "New players." You're in the group called "Veterans."
Also, I'll underline for you too.

6.   Argonath players are, regardless of point 5, free to implement within their group or play guidelines and habits of playing. However they are not allowed to force people outside their group to use the same rules, resort to flaming, insulting, or trying to excluse players who do not play by non-official group rules.

Notice that I underlined the whole thing. I did this because many OMEGA ANTI-IC/OOC and OMEGA IC/OOC people are often calling each other names and shit just because the other side doesn't/does use IC/OOC, which is going against the end of point 6. And notice that after the "free to implement within their group" part, there's the "or play guidelines and habits of playing." If I wanted to, I could make a guideline for myself to never say the word "Penisbonercockassvagina", as long as I don't go "f**kING bad guyS USE PENISBONERCOCKASSVAGINA THEY ARE bad guyS"

[Dratted]

This thread is full of bullshit.

Jus sayin'

[9r2e5i3k]

Ironically enough, you're in a group as soon as the thought of you being born came into existence. Think about it
In your example, the new players are in the unofficial group called "New players." You're in the group called "Veterans."

Disagreed.

"New players" is not an organized group. They don't have standards or rules (except the main server rules, and the handicap of being new, thus chance of forgiving first rule-breaks with little punishment). It's an experience level, not a group which you can join or leave.

Same as blaming "Freecops" for being an organized group which objective is to purposely abuse and annoy other players...

[Leon.]

Disagreed.

"New players" is not an organized group. They don't have standards or rules (except the main server rules, and the handicap of being new, thus chance of forgiving first rule-breaks with little punishment). It's an experience level, not a group which you can join or leave.

Same as blaming "Freecops" for being an organized group which objective is to purposely abuse and annoy other players...

Emos, Jocks, and Geeks aren't organized groups, but we still call them a group.

The new players are a group of people, not a group like Argonath Veterans (=AV=). Veterans are just a group of people, not a group like White Shadows ([WS]). Regulars are just a group of people, not a group like the Rockstars Clan ([Rstar])

[9r2e5i3k]

Emos, Jocks, and Geeks aren't organized groups, but we still call them a group.

The new players are a group of people, not a group like Argonath Veterans (=AV=). Veterans are just a group of people, not a group like White Shadows ([WS]). Regulars are just a group of people, not a group like the Rockstars Clan ([Rstar])

Yes. But different types of groups have their specific names, like subcultures or nationalities.

But people keep treating a group of one kind (with just something in common, eg. experience level) as a group of the other kind (organized group).

[Leon.]

But people keep treating a group of one kind (with just something in common, eg. experience level) as a group of the other kind (organized group).

This.

Anyway, players do have a right to impose their own habits and guidelines of playing as long as they abide to the rules of the server. They also have the right to do it without others nagging on what they do and without others calling them fucktards and what-not just because they do things a little differently from another person. The real point of my post was to get across this message:
Stop crying/moaning/complaining/bitching over someone's (non)usage of IC/OOC, and stop flaming them with terms such as NON-RP, BAD RP, STUPID, INCAPABLE, NON-IMAGINATIVE, or whatever.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

This so called officer Tickle said they had no money and wanted a car, just as I parked outside LSPD.

TLDR: So I took them to a dealer, bought them a nice new 80k cheetah, me thinking this is some new person was fooled by them.

Continued:

I bought them there car, so I asked "do you have a house?" they said "No".

I went searching for a house.

Now this officer tickle was off duty.

We ended up in willowfield, officer Ruddy Russel pm'd me in pm and I told him if he could donate 50k for this person to get here first house, he did!. But this person "Tickle" was like "GTF_" "Ruddy Please leave", I thought this was highly rude, just because they where a cop this person was being rude and unwelcoming - they had no clue they sent money to me for them.

So, I told them he isn't going to leave he just donated $50k to buy a new home.

This person ended up becoming greedy and saying "Buy me this house, I know a $100k house" then when I said "No, I can't afford it", they where like "OMFG, You have mills, you was giving $50k to everyone".
Then I said, something like "FFS, fine, did /kill and left them in there new vehicle."
They ended up pming me "YOU RUINED MY LIFE, I need that 49k"  Then they said later on "I GTG, btw I lied, I had $300k".

It shows people who are generally unwelcoming to new (free)cops are usually greedy and selfish 


If only I had realised the same person as in Aragons story :/ I'd still have that 80k to spend on a real new player   :hit:.

I learned something today - let people work there asses off instead of giving them handouts - credits to JCstods.

[Xander]

I use IC/OOC with brackets when im in a decent roleplay where i don't wanna mix everything up. I also don't constantly use IC/OOC methods. I talk normally and make it clear whether im talking as a black gangster im roleplaying or myself.

These guidelines make up the Argonath Vision. With the Vision being the ultimate goal of the community. Through the eyes of the people who created and the supporters of the Vision, OOC and IC are hinderances to the goal of this community becoming the complete ideal that it has always been working towards.

They are defiantly not hindering anything. IC/OOC is an optional form of distinguishing roleplay and the real world. The things that are hindering anything are people like you who will constantly disregard people who use it and disrespect them. Just because you don't use it in a SRS OMG rp and i do sometimes, doesn't mean im going to force it on you. Although the way you speak you seem to want to force your 'method' onto us. Somewhat hypocritical if i may say.