To VCMP Argonath players and owners

[muzdaaz]

Eventually, words/terms like gypsy or b00n (even if they're accepted in VC:MP community) may still offend, think about newcomers or guys from other divisions... Unless you're talking in private or in group of friends, I suggest everyone to drop those to prevent future scuffles.

Its not really as lot of you might think:

*** Newbie joined the server.
guy1: GYYYYPPPPSYYYY !!!!11111
guy2: noo, BOOOOOOOOOOOOOON

Besides, if you get offended by a word you dont even know really well, then I feel sorry for you.
And even if you do know the original meanings:

Gypsy one:

Descendant of the original Indian travellers who arrived in Western Europe after the downfall of the Byzantine empire in the 15th Century. The called themselves the 'Lords of Little Egypt' which contracted to Egyptians, Gyptians and eventually Gypsies or Gyppos. Little Egypt was the name given to the area we now call Turkey.

And the word BOON is already explained and should be quite clear that its not offensive.

[Morphine]

I don't think anything has changed in a major way. I presume Gandalf and Aragorn want to pull VC:MP closer to the other Argonath servers now and tell people what is right and what is wrong since most have probably been mislead over the years.

If there will be new regulations, so be it. Our administrator team won't have any problems adjusting to them since all of them were picked for a reason - fast learners might be one of them.

[Klaus]

I don't think anything has changed in a major way.

That's because you have not been in game the past few weeks

[SugarD]

Its not really as lot of you might think:

*** Newbie joined the server.
guy1: GYYYYPPPPSYYYY !!!!11111
guy2: noo, BOOOOOOOOOOOOOON

Besides, if you get offended by a word you dont even know really well, then I feel sorry for you.
And even if you do know the original meanings:

Gypsy one:
And the word BOON is already explained and should be quite clear that its not offensive.

It does not matter if it's meant to be offensive or not, it's already been clearly stated by several people that it can be taken in an offensive way. That's the same reason why people aren't allowed to call each other noobs in Argo either, even if joking. If someone gets hurt, it's breaking the rules.

[Klaus]

It does not matter if it's meant to be offensive or not, it's already been clearly stated by several people that it can be taken in an offensive way. That's the same reason why people aren't allowed to call each other noobs in Argo either, even if joking. If someone gets hurt, it's breaking the rules.

Calling someone a noob can obviously be taken in an offensive way. However if the take the examples mentioned earlier offensively then you are only making yourself look uneducated. The terms have been described earlier in this topic, which clearly explains how such terms can not be taken offensively. Facts are facts, and opinions don't change that.

[ferrari32]

True, the server changed a lot without some of our vital players such as marcell and perry. It's really not the same place. About what marcell said earlier, that he isn't the only one who flames and was banned because he was the most active one- I don't think thats the reason really. I think the reason is that you're already a quite experienced player on Argonath, and that kind of behaviour isn't expected from a fairly old player.

[SugarD]

I think the reason is that you're already a quite experienced player on Argonath, and that kind of behaviour isn't expected from a fairly old player.

Pretty much nailed the reason right there. Well said man.

...then you are only making yourself look uneducated.

If you are going to discuss flaming issues within the community, don't flame me in the process of stating your side of things.

[Klaus]

If you are going to discuss flaming issues within the community, don't flame me in the process of stating your side of things.

That wasn't flame, but your reaction just proves my point even more so

[Rapture]

It does not matter if it's meant to be offensive or not, it's already been clearly stated by several people that it can be taken in an offensive way. That's the same reason why people aren't allowed to call each other noobs in Argo either, even if joking. If someone gets hurt, it's breaking the rules.

Words like 'Boon' and 'Gypsy' Aren't meant to be offensive, so there's no need to be too paranoid about them.

[SugarD]

Words like 'Boon' and 'Gypsy' Aren't meant to be offensive, so there's no need to be too paranoid about them.

Like I said before, even if they aren't meant to be, people are taking offense to it, so you guys have to be careful about what you say.

@Klaus: Stop flaming. That doesn't prove anything. Making a comment calling someone uneducated is only going to piss them off more, not help the situation. If someone is flamed jokingly and they take it in a serious way, that is not being uneducated. Some people take offense to things that can be meant in a joking way. It has nothing to do with intelligence.

[JasonSaint]

guys today i got unbanned, i went on argo thrilled to be playing again. i came in noone was online it was boring but when most of the guys came on there was a tense atmosphere it wasnt good and at that point i realized we need kessu,marcell,perry back the server used to be relaxed and fun but just got anxious and kinda nervous. that is not a way of having fun so i suggest to take everyone back including klaus in what he used to be. if this is the way it remains i consider to quit this game. the statement of owners topic may showed them a lesson, but now it is time to bring them back.

[muzdaaz]

It does not matter if it's meant to be offensive or not, it's already been clearly stated by several people that it can be taken in an offensive way.

Everything can be taken in an offensive way.

@Klaus: Stop flaming. That doesn't prove anything. Making a comment calling someone uneducated is only going to piss them off more, not help the situation. If someone is flamed jokingly and they take it in a serious way, that is not being uneducated. Some people take offense to things that can be meant in a joking way. It has nothing to do with intelligence.

I see no flame in Klaus's post. Meanings of these words have been clearly provided in the topic so please try to understand them. There is no point to start accusing someone of flaming over one little sentence that was not made to insult you. Lets keep this topic argument based.

[SugarD]

To bring them back won't be the community's request, but more-so something they have to deal with themselves and prove to the Server Owners. As for the server itself, yes, losing key figures in a community will change how things run, but it doesn't last forever like that and eventually things will get back on track. It's just going to take some effort from the players themselves to get the ball rolling again.

There is no point to start accusing someone of flaming over one little sentence that was not made to insult you.

I am not accusing him of anything. He said people like that were uneducated, and then said his point was proven when I stated my reply to it. That was offensive, pure and simple. We have moved on from that, so please don't continue it. The discussion is already back on topic.

[JasonSaint]

Well, it wont be the same lets take for example a family (son,daughter,father,mother) lets say klaus is the mother he takes care of almost everything he is always ready and willing to help you. But if yoy take the mother away from the family and then things go wrong...

[SugarD]

Well, it wont be the same lets take for example a family (son,daughter,father,mother) lets say klaus is the mother he takes care of almost everything he is always ready and willing to help you. But if yoy take the mother away from the family and then things go wrong...

Well like I said, it's going to take time for things to recover with the changes in the community, but it is possible. It'll just take effort from the users to happen.