Police officer shot dead in street

[Gandalf]

How is it a miss use? They are tow completely different statistics. One is focused on thieves, the other is all criminals. The point the second stats makes is that burglaries are prevented by guns. The first is a similar question directed to the mass of criminals instead of one particular type. Stop trying to make it look like im the one whos confused when you clearly can;t tell the difference between two f**king statistics.

Im not going to keep throwing solid, hard facts at you only for you to try and turn the argument in a direction that makes me look wrong simply because you have no clean rebuttal and can't understand the facts provided.

Going to sleep, almost 6 AM, Ill pick this up when I wake up if you decide to actual understand the difference between two different polls on two different demographics.

You simply have not facts to throw at me, which is why you pretend not to want to.

[McGarrett]

You guys still discussion it?

[Gandalf]

Guns slow down the property crime rate (especially burglaries). The chart shows the handgun supply in America to the property crime rate.

Your graph is of property crime, which includes a lot of different type.
Now lets see this graph in comparison.

Data is based on the same survey, but with burglary statistics shown individual.
Seems guns are better to stop larceny as burglary....
Here another nice statistic that shows something different...

[Mikal]

Its a lot easier to get guns in the UK then you say it is. You don't need to be in a gang to get a gun. trust me, Here in Canada we have just as strict gun laws as you do and we know how easy it is for a person to get an illegal weapon.

Come to the UK and try to get hold of a gun then, you'll either spend a long time trying or get arrested in the act.

[SafetyMoose]

Come to the UK and try to get hold of a gun then, you'll either spend a long time trying or get arrested in the act.

Keep living in your sheltered little world if you honestly think its that hard to get a gun.

You simply have not facts to throw at me, which is why you pretend not to want to.

Even when I explain the difference to you your still don't understand? Wow, your either playing some sort of game or your a complete idiot even when presented with two completely different stats, you play the retards game of saying they are the same haha, man I have met some stupid people in my life but that takes the cake. Here, if you have the mental ability to read a paper thats this long, give it a go, if not, at least this time don't give me the "Hur dur I dont understand so ill try and make it look like the other persons wrong to hide my stupidity" card.

http://gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/5.1/gun-facts-5.1-print.pdf

Everything in that is sourced.

Now, lets try this the childrens way? I'm sure you like games? lets do some "What If" situations shall we?

*Boom* *Boom* *Boom*

A Man has just broken in to your families home at night with a gun. He has the intent to harm your wife, harm your children and he does not give a shit about you. What do you do?

[[SE]Dr_Pepper27]

Kennesaw, GA. A town of 4 cows and horse. Yet it has 30,000 people. Almost the same size as my town near one of the biggest cities in the US. ohohohohohoho

Gun haters will be haters, they will be the first to die when someone breaks into their home with a gun while Safetymoose and I will chill with some beers in our nice, not broken into homes.  :cool:

[SafetyMoose]

Kennesaw, GA. A town of 4 cows and horse. Yet it has 30,000 people. Almost the same size as my town near one of the biggest cities in the US. ohohohohohoho

Gun haters will be haters, they will be the first to die when someone breaks into their home with a gun while Safetymoose and I will chill with some beers in our nice, not broken into homes.  :cool:

Gandalf just tries to be all knowing and look like some sort of leader but can;t even handle solid facts being presented to him so he gets all butt hurt and tries to make the other person look wrong in a desperate attempt to make himself look smart. I can't wait for him to answer my question above. What is he going to do? use his magic on a rapist in his home 

[[SE]Dr_Pepper27]

I gave a proper description of the town, been there.

I drove through Russia once, full of drunken idiots standing around a dancing bear. But of course, I can totally say this because I drove through this town once.


Lead by example.

[Pandalink]

A Man has just broken in to your families home at night with a gun. He has the intent to harm your wife, harm your children and he does not give a shit about you. What do you do?

That's a very unlikely situation, since I live in the UK and thus there's going to be fuck all people with a gun excluding organised criminals. More likely a guy with a bat or a knife.

If I lived in the US I would own, maintain correctly, and practice regularly with, a gun. In that situation I would use it.

[Abraham]

Safetymoose, who do you think sells the guns to the common criminal? I can tell you now it's not the russian mafia

[Gandalf]

Keep living in your sheltered little world if you honestly think its that hard to get a gun.

Even when I explain the difference to you your still don't understand? Wow, your either playing some sort of game or your a complete idiot even when presented with two completely different stats, you play the retards game of saying they are the same haha, man I have met some stupid people in my life but that takes the cake. Here, if you have the mental ability to read a paper thats this long, give it a go, if not, at least this time don't give me the "Hur dur I dont understand so ill try and make it look like the other persons wrong to hide my stupidity" card.

http://gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/5.1/gun-facts-5.1-print.pdf

Everything in that is sourced.

Now, lets try this the childrens way? I'm sure you like games? lets do some "What If" situations shall we?

*Boom* *Boom* *Boom*

A Man has just broken in to your families home at night with a gun. He has the intent to harm your wife, harm your children and he does not give a shit about you. What do you do?

I showed to a very different staristic, you ignore it.
I asked you to show correct statistics, you only come with some hot air telling that I do not read what you write.
Then you link to a PDF of a website sponsored by the gun industry... sure they will tell they are not correct.....
Calling me stupid is only reflecting on yourself, especially when you can not provide what I asked.

As for that situation, I would tell you but you would not believe me anyway.

[Gandalf]

Kennesaw, GA. A town of 4 cows and horse. Yet it has 30,000 people. Almost the same size as my town near one of the biggest cities in the US. ohohohohohoho

Gun haters will be haters, they will be the first to die when someone breaks into their home with a gun while Safetymoose and I will chill with some beers in our nice, not broken into homes.  :cool:

That it is near the city does not mean its big itself. You are sitting near an intelligent person and what are you?
And when someone breaks in to your house you will be shot with your own gun and be happy about it.

[Gandalf]

Gandalf just tries to be all knowing and look like some sort of leader but can;t even handle solid facts being presented to him so he gets all butt hurt and tries to make the other person look wrong in a desperate attempt to make himself look smart. I can't wait for him to answer my question above. What is he going to do? use his magic on a rapist in his home 

What facts did you present that I asked you to? ZERO.

[Gandalf]

I drove through Russia once, full of drunken idiots standing around a dancing bear. But of course, I can totally say this because I drove through this town once.


Lead by example.

Correct description.

[SafetyMoose]

As for that situation, I would tell you but you would not believe me anyway.

Cheap Excuse, Answer the question


And as for the document being made by the gun industry. If you had any sense to read it you would see every statistic is properly referenced. So stop playing the fucking games and answer the question instead of trying to bullshit your way out of it.