NYPD shoots to death knife wielding man near Times Square

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

At least they could have tried.
There would be a big chance of him staying alive.

[SugarD]

At least they could have tried.
There would be a big chance of him staying alive.

Try with what? There's no reason to kill themselves to stop someone who refuses to give up, and has all the intentions to hurt anyone who tries to stop them...

That's saying that one innocent life should be taken so a guilty one can be spared. That is by no means fair at all. They gave the man plenty of time to surrender, but he refused. That is of his own, unfortunate fault.

[yoske]

What do you expect them to do? Say "drop the knife" and just follow him until he stabs someone or himself? Judging by how far he was able to walk with it in an aggressive stance, he had plenty of warning.

As trained police officers they should, no they need to know how to disarm a man with knife.

You are talking that he is guilty. Yes he is. But I didn't know that possession of knife and drawing in public is punishable by death. @.@

And no one said that someone needs to die, just they could resolve this situation a bit better, with no one getting killed.

[SugarD]

As trained police officers they should, no they need to know how to disarm a man with knife.

You are talking that he is guilty. Yes he is. But I didn't know that possession of knife and drawing in public is punishable by death. @.@

And no one said that someone needs to die, just they could resolve this situation a bit better, with no one getting killed.

The officers were trained, and they did exactly what they had to.

You don't just walk up to someone holding a knife and pull some karate move on them and call it good. The real world does not work that way. The officers drew their weapons and ordered the man to drop his, and tried to calm him as he continued to move. Unless every single one of these cops was corrupt and crazy to shoot someone innocent in public, then the man did something that caused a threat to life, which is why they fired their guns.

If you are a criminal, and you choose to do illegal things, then you should also expect to get caught and be served punishment. The choices we make in this world are only that of our own. You cannot make a choice for another individual. You can only try to persuade them the best you can.

This man decided to do something he shouldn't have, and because he refused to stop doing it, and instead push it farther, he lost his life for it. I agree that it would have been better for the man to live...but given the situation, there was no way out of it unless he had dropped the weapon himself. He made a different choice instead...

[Dolfagr]

Well, riot shields and pepper sprays / batons could work fine, but what's done is done.

[SugarD]

Well, riot shields and pepper sprays / batons could work fine, but what's done is done.

Calling in a SWAT team on a suspect with a knife is not only overkill, but by the time SWAT would have arrived, it would have been long since over, or someone would have been badly hurt or killed.

[Dolfagr]

Calling in a SWAT team on a suspect with a knife is not only overkill, but by the time SWAT would have arrived, it would have been long since over, or someone would have been badly hurt or killed.

SWAT's priority is to save lives, not to kill, and NYPD ESU has also specialized negotiators. In any cases SWAT has been called for less dangerous situations from these one.

And if it's not SWAT who will respond fast, then who will be, Mounted police?

[Taylor_P]

Jesus NYPD is fucking trigger happy, I think they best change there procedures this is what the 3rd shooting like this were a gun was not nesscacy, also look how many cops were there Your telling me a tazer couldn't stop a man with a knife hell the cop got tons of backup and they would have surrounded him but nope I think i see better police professionalism from Freecops then actually NYPD, Hell I think I might apply to be a NYPD officer, get a badge a gun a car w/ sirens to tell people to GTFO and I get a "Shoot TO kill and ask questions later" policy on pretty much everything.

[SugarD]

SWAT's priority is to save lives, not to kill, and NYPD ESU has also specialized negotiators. In any cases SWAT has been called for less dangerous situations from these one.

And if it's not SWAT who will respond fast, then who will be, Mounted police?

This entire event took place within what, 5 minutes? I'd love to see any large police Department in a massively crowded city respond to and plan for such a situation within that amount of time, and still be successful. That's like saying the President should've nuked the terrorists responsible for 9/11 as soon as they got warning a plane was hijacked. It's asking for the impossible. This is not the perfect world...especially for tactical situations.

Jesus NYPD is f**king trigger happy, I think they best change there procedures this is what the 3rd shooting like this were a gun was not nesscacy, also look how many cops were there Your telling me a tazer couldn't stop a man with a knife hell the cop got tons of backup and they would have surrounded him but nope I think i see better police professionalism from Freecops then actually NYPD, Hell I think I might apply to be a NYPD officer, get a badge a gun a car w/ sirens to tell people to GTFO and I get a "Shoot TO kill and ask questions later" policy on pretty much everything.

What are you talking about? They gave him multiple warnings. He was the one who proceeded to move down the street towards civilians. He had a knife.

People, let me put this into perspective. A knife can be just as easily lethal as a gun. If he had a gun, this story wouldn't exist. Tell me where the difference in that is.

This entire story is just the media blowing something up and looking for attention for yet another story for ratings. Even if police had tazers and could deploy them, you're talking about a group of officers, not sure who may have to make the first move, all aiming electronic weapons at a suspect that might not even go down when they are used. Secondly, a tazer is classified as a lesser-lethal weapon. A knife is a lethal weapon. Not only are those unfair odds, but tazers don't shoot that far, so by the time the suspect is in range, someone could be stabbed...including himself.

There's not much else you can do in this kind of situation by be prepared for any scenario, and try to talk him out of it...which is exactly what they did.

[Taylor_P]

This entire event took place within what, 5 minutes? I'd love to see any large police Department in a massively crowded city respond to and plan for such a situation within that amount of time, and still be successful. That's like saying the President should've nuked the terrorists responsible for 9/11 as soon as they got warning a plane was hijacked. It's asking for the impossible. This is not the perfect world...especially for tactical situations.
What are you talking about? They gave him multiple warnings. He was the one who proceeded to move down the street towards civilians. He had a knife.

People, let me put this into perspective. A knife can be just as easily lethal as a gun. If he had a gun, this story wouldn't exist. Tell me where the difference in that is.

This entire story is just the media blowing something up and looking for attention for yet another story for ratings. Even if police had tazers and could deploy them, you're talking about a group of officers, not sure who may have to make the first move, all aiming electronic weapons at a suspect that might not even go down when they are used. Secondly, a tazer is classified as a lesser-lethal weapon. A knife is a lethal weapon. Not only are those unfair odds, but tazers don't shoot that far, so by the time the suspect is in range, someone could be stabbed...including himself.

There's not much else you can do in this kind of situation by be prepared for any scenario, and try to talk him out of it...which is exactly what they did.

Well I herd alot more then 1 shot seems like the officers didn't care, also Ever herd of shooting in non lethal area's, hell they should have  called Officer MCShootsaDog cause hes  a great shot, maybe he woulda aimed for the leg or arm, but your going to tell me the 6-9 shots i herd were all in non lethal area's has dobut it, Hell Take my local pd ON A episode of cops we have a cop who SHOT a man who had a knife however he hit him in his upper leg, didnt kill the man. Again NYPD should take from tips from ARPD officers at least they know how to shoot to kill. Also for ""professional" officers, and who wouldn't shoot more then once, hell someone has to be a higher rank and it sounds like there good at yelling, orders could have been like "I 'l take the shot" and i mean a tazer shot, but then again your the person who also degraded the UK's cop because they dont carry guns. Maybe with your logic we should be like Mexico and have cops with fully armed assault rifles that a bribe able that are also double agents for Drug Cartels, but hey no one fucks with em right?

Also it's not over glorified media if someone puts it online, I dont see major news companies spinning the story, this is just a 1st person account of what 1 person saw, happens alot theses days, but i guess you'd also say that using mace like spray paint on peaceful protestors is "Dangerous duty for officers and it threatens the public security"

[Mikal]

That has to be the most unsafe and irresponsible act of police work I have ever seen. Putting yourself and others around you in danger by confronting a man with a weapon of that size with nothing but a baton might seem brave in your eyes but all that scene tells me is that European Police are not properly equipped to safely deal with people who are threatening their lives. Good job to the officers involved, all cops are brothers no matter where in the world you are and I appreciate their hard work and dedication, but your Government obviously has no respect for officer Safety.

That was in London, and how the f**k was it irresponsible? Most of them had tazers, all of them had police batons, you can't say British police arnt equipped properly, they were given the choice to have guns in 2008, they turned it down because they don't want guns, unlike most trigger happy American cops Britains police (and most of Europes) turn to tazers and batons instead because they don't want to publicly shoot dead armed people, and ofc Britain has specially trained armed responce units when they are needed for situations where someone has a hostage or just guns, but IMO the situation in the British video compared to the NY one was handled much better, 30 cops, riot shields all surrounded him and there were ZERO casualties not even to the man wielding the giant knife, how many casualties were there in the NY video? Oh yea 1. And even a whitness was shouting 'That kill was not justified!' and he's probibly right, we all know what American cops are like with guns, just like you can tell with that NYPD pitbull video thats also on the forums.

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

Try with what? There's no reason to kill themselves to stop someone who refuses to give up, and has all the intentions to hurt anyone who tries to stop them...

That's saying that one innocent life should be taken so a guilty one can be spared. That is by no means fair at all. They gave the man plenty of time to surrender, but he refused. That is of his own, unfortunate fault.

Like I said, with a taser.

[Dolfagr]

Like I said, with a taser.

You obviously have no idea of how a taser works, I'll not bother again explaining.

Even though it seems like it's standard protocol to shoot knife wielding suspects in US, we should not bother continuing this topic

Police Shoot Man Over 40 Times (Video)

[SugarD]

Well I herd alot more then 1 shot seems like the officers didn't care, also Ever herd of shooting in non lethal area's, hell they should have  called Officer MCShootsaDog cause hes  a great shot, maybe he woulda aimed for the leg or arm, but your going to tell me the 6-9 shots i herd were all in non lethal area's has dobut it, Hell Take my local pd ON A episode of cops we have a cop who SHOT a man who had a knife however he hit him in his upper leg, didnt kill the man. Again NYPD should take from tips from ARPD officers at least they know how to shoot to kill. Also for ""professional" officers, and who wouldn't shoot more then once, hell someone has to be a higher rank and it sounds like there good at yelling, orders could have been like "I 'l take the shot" and i mean a tazer shot, but then again your the person who also degraded the UK's cop because they dont carry guns. Maybe with your logic we should be like Mexico and have cops with fully armed assault rifles that a bribe able that are also double agents for Drug Cartels, but hey no one f**ks with em right?

Also it's not over glorified media if someone puts it online, I dont see major news companies spinning the story, this is just a 1st person account of what 1 person saw, happens alot theses days, but i guess you'd also say that using mace like spray paint on peaceful protestors is "Dangerous duty for officers and it threatens the public security"

I'm not even going to constitute that with a reply because every single thing you said is just biased provoking.

And for the record, the UK cop thing was meant to be a joke. I even apologized to those that were offended by it because it was meant for us all to laugh. I would never seriously insult a non-corrupt officer in my life. You all know that I have too much respect for them for that.

[Taylor_P]

I'm not even going to constitute that with a reply because every single thing you said is just biased provoking.

Or could it be the fact that your trying to explain things from a cops perspective and yet your not and if I remember right you even failed the basic entrance test to even apply for a cop.

And for the record, the UK cop thing was meant to be a joke. I even apologized to those that were offended by it because it was meant for us all to laugh. I would never seriously insult a non-corrupt officer in my life. You all know that I have too much respect for them for that.

Double Standards your Sir has them.