Civilians Aiding Suspects

[fuzzball69]

This means you do not agree. If we disallow any citizen to help, it does not matter if he is your friend or not.
If we have to make it a rule, anyone with a non-orange name is not allowed to assist.

Then I would like to rephrase.
Anyone who is NOT a part of the RP and then helps supect should be dealt with by admins.
Hope this makes more sense.

[Nightstorm]

If its a friend yes, but if it is a random player I see a lot of bad in it.

I agree, but the problem is, how can you proof that he is your friend/ not your frieend?
As long as theire not in the same or allied group, theres no telling oof that...

[Primus]

This means you do not agree. If we disallow any citizen to help, it does not matter if he is your friend or not.
If we have to make it a rule, anyone with a non-orange name is not allowed to assist.

I mentioned that if we are suspect then we can help, that directly means orange name can help other orange name and non-orange name cannot help orange name.

[Mashgash]

Then I would like to rephrase.
Anyone who is NOT a part of the RP and then helps supect should be dealt with by admins.
Hope this makes more sense.

You are running in middle of the Desert, pursued by cops, low on health and no vehicles around. Would you report a player if he came to pick you up and give you the oppertunity to evade?

It depends on the situation...
1. If it is the mafia HQ and all mafia members are there, cops are trying to arrest one of them, of cos, nonsense if other mafia members will stand and watch it...
In this case members of mafia group will start to shoot back, trying to help the friend... It is ok...

2. Police is chasing some guy and suddenly appears a car with non-wanted civilian who started shooting them... Simply, cops can decide it is a deathmatcher/cophunter... Attack without a reason is not allowed... And this rule plays here not the best role... As for the criminal helper, so for admins who got reports and for sure will freeze you to get the reason of shooting cops...

How to help?
In this case (if you want to shoot cops back) the main target is to get wanted level... Get him into your car and try to get rid of chase... Cops will suspect you for aiding, then aub, your dream became be a reality...

With wanted level you are allowed to help any sort of criminals with any sort of help...

Why is such rule actually?

Well, you see blue nick of cop, you know he can shoot you if you are criminal... So do cops when see a wanted level of your nick... Both sides are equal and do not confuse each other, less misunderstanding, less reports to admins...

It is all about the roleplay you do. You must have a proper roleplay reason to pickup / engage in the ongoing roleplay scene, and it is YOUR responsbility to make sure ALL players involved understand your reason of apperance. If you roleplay it properly, and make sure the players involved understand and acknowledge your reason it will be no issues.

[JDC]

A better solution would be to enforce the rule where anyone with a non-orange name cannot aid. Players may complain about the lack of freedom, but it is better to complain about that than to have random players aiding here and there.

[diddeh]

Then I would like to rephrase.
Anyone who is NOT a part of the RP and then helps supect should be dealt with by admins.
Hope this makes more sense.

Well, can you give me a good reason why cops should be allowed to do this, but not criminals?
/r I need backup at SU50
/cb need backup to evade the police
?

[fuzzball69]

A better solution would be to enforce the rule where anyone with a non-orange name cannot aid. Players may complain about the lack of freedom, but it is better to complain about that than to have random players aiding here and there.

Exactly what im talking about.

Well, can you give me a good reason why cops should be allowed to do this, but not criminals?
/r I need backup at SU50
/cb need backup to evade the police
?

The police are upholding the law, in real life they work together to bring peace.
People dont just walking up to a mass murderer and say "Hey, wanna ride?"

[Alan.Wake]

People dont just walking up to a mass murderer and say "Hey, wanna ride?

Real =/= Argonath

[Ness]

A better solution would be to enforce the rule where anyone with a non-orange name cannot aid. Players may complain about the lack of freedom, but it is better to complain about that than to have random players aiding here and there.

Are you serious??????

[Squeak]

A better solution would be to enforce the rule where anyone with a non-orange name cannot aid. Players may complain about the lack of freedom, but it is better to complain about that than to have random players aiding here and there.

Yeah, that's not very good at all. You would end up with a bunch of people commuting non-related crimes in order to join the scenario.

I see no problem with friends aiding their suspected friends in evading the police. Any person who aids you as a helpful stranger usually becomes your friend anyway, and isn't that what Argonath is about? :cool:

[Armelin]

Cops here are so protected by the rules that they refuse to suspect who is riding shotgun so that they can't shoot.
Grow up people.

[JDC]

Cops here are so protected by the rules that they refuse to suspect who is riding shotgun so that they can't shoot.
Grow up people.

In my 3+ years of law enforcement on SA:MP, the more recurring scenario was that cops would suspect everyone in the car even if only one person in the car was wanted.

[fuzzball69]

In my 3+ years of law enforcement on SA:MP, the more recurring scenario was that cops would suspect everyone in the car even if only one person in the car was wanted.

[diddeh]

Exactly what im talking about.The police are upholding the law, in real life they work together to bring peace.
People dont just walking up to a mass murderer and say "Hey, wanna ride?"

This is Argonath, not real life.
And, when you see that "random" person picking up the suspect you are after, how are you not sure that is his friend / a friends friend or someone that suspect knows from a gang or whatever?