Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: TheGreasyChopper on August 12, 2016, 01:26:01 pm
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So it has come to my attention that in numerous cases that the FBI files against different people, the supposed FBI Agents have good english skills and can obviously speak and roleplay properly "/ me sets up a ultra high tech camera and microphone in his nipple that records pictures from outer space(for example)". But once they contact the supposed criminal they suddenly become "want buy weed????" "u sell weed???" "where i come???"
Can someone explain why they do that? And why can't they continue their good way of RPing(setting up cameras/recording advertisments) once they come in contact with the "criminal"? Are they mocking players with less roleplaying skills? Are they trying to impersonate someone?
Few examples:
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=117830.0
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=117669.0
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These criminals are more likely to fall for the undercover gig if the agents behave like new players. The criminal will think people talking like this aren't likely to be undercover agents, but now that someone's been caught red-handed by the FBI like this, that's probably gonna change the criminals' minds on the matter.
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Point of being undercover is to not make hints on your actual self, thus to not be exposed. It already is hard as it is to remain undercover with some staff members and players abusing some script functions to find out who is undercover. Adding to that, if we were to speak as we do, it'd be 100% impossible. Oh and also, /whenmade is there. New player is someone who recently registered, not someone who is bad at speaking English.
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It's fitting into character, you're much more likely to be believed to be genuine if you speak in a less fluent way, than if you add a full stop and capital letter to every sentence.
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Point of being undercover is to not make hints on your actual self, thus to not be exposed. It already is hard as it is to remain undercover with some staff members and players abusing some script functions to find out who is undercover. Adding to that, if we were to speak as we do, it'd be 100% impossible. Oh and also, /whenmade is there. New player is someone who recently registered, not someone who is bad at speaking English.
I can think of a few people who've been here since 2008 and still don't quite 'master' the English language, to put it lightly. :D
Seriously though, I'm with Matthew on this one. Can't even imagine how hard it is for the FBI to catch someone undercover nowadays, or how hard it is for criminals to get caught.
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Point of being undercover is to not make hints on your actual self, thus to not be exposed. It already is hard as it is to remain undercover with some staff members and players abusing some script functions to find out who is undercover. Adding to that, if we were to speak as we do, it'd be 100% impossible. Oh and also, /whenmade is there. New player is someone who recently registered, not someone who is bad at speaking English.
Since point of it is not to expose then what is it? all i see is mafia members had turned into FBI
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What do you even mean? the point is to gather evidence and intelligence no?
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I've encountered a couple of them in my past :| Damn it, I suck at this. But really, it depends who the agent is in my opinion. I've seen better RPers than myself go UC and actually succeed in busting someone, then there's Amir Camorra :D
Point of being undercover is to not make hints on your actual self, thus to not be exposed. It already is hard as it is to remain undercover with some staff members and players abusing some script functions to find out who is undercover. Adding to that, if we were to speak as we do, it'd be 100% impossible. Oh and also, /whenmade is there. New player is someone who recently registered, not someone who is bad at speaking English.
How would it be 100% impossible?
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I've encountered a couple of them in my past :| Damn it, I suck at this. But really, it depends who the agent is in my opinion. I've seen better RPers than myself go UC and actually succeed in busting someone, then there's Amir Camorra :D
How would it be 100% impossible?
Amir Camorra and Shane_Kraskov... Who busted meh..
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Because I can list many ways on how easy it is to be exposed. If we were to use full English grammar and stuff, then that'd add one more way to it.
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Does this really have to be explained? :uhm:
The whole point is to pretend to be someone you're not.
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Does this really have to be explained? :uhm:
The whole point is to pretend to be someone you're not.
Alright , good luck hiring criminals to be FBI.
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Fbi is a small clique of carefully chosen people so it's pretty impossible to get into it to roleplay corrupt. Yet FBI is willing to act like chimps and basically troll in roleplay just to look like members of less skilled (rp and/or english wise) criminal groups. Kind of a cheap move but ok.
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Fbi is a small clique of carefully chosen people so it's pretty impossible to get into it to roleplay corrupt. Yet FBI is willing to act like chimps and basically troll in roleplay just to look like members of less skilled (rp and/or english wise) criminal groups. Kind of a cheap move but ok.
Cheap move to be able to do your job efficiently and disguise yourself well enough so criminals have no clue what's is coming is a cheap move? Where do you people come up with this stuff..
Well at least people will think twice now when they say FBI isn't active enough. :lol:
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By trolling in roleplay? Just so people think 'ah another random noob drug farming kid'? If you can't do it by properly roleplaying then don't do it at all.
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By trolling in roleplay? Just so people think 'ah another random noob drug farming kid'? If you can't do it by properly roleplaying then don't do it at all.
Since when is speaking bad english considered trolling? What are you on about.
Also the whole point is to make them think your just another noob... Don't quite understand what's so difficult to comprehend about "uc concept".
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Because I can list many ways on how easy it is to be exposed. If we were to use full English grammar and stuff, then that'd add one more way to it.
But list a few then.
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But list a few then.
I'd rather he doesn't. ;)
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By trolling in roleplay? Just so people think 'ah another random noob drug farming kid'? If you can't do it by properly roleplaying then don't do it at all.
How is that trolling?
Just because they talk English differently or worse doesn't make it improper roleplay.
It's entirely on these criminal groups if they regard them as ''another random noob drug farming kid'' just because the agents don't use proper punctuation.
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Still easy to detect tbh.. Saying you are from Pakistan and you can't speak Urdu would say it all, lol.
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There are old people who can't speak nor type English. One example be Croatian politicians who write the words exactly as they're pronounced!
(http://www.index.hr/images2/ingridpriprema-20022013-625facebook.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQOW49mAQ5I
It's not only kids and trolls who can't speak English.
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Still easy to detect tbh.. Saying you are from Pakistan and you can't speak Urdu would say it all, lol.
google translate my friend :D
Anyway, it's not like the mafias these days have a background check since 2-3 (or more, who knows) FBI were able to infiltrate them without any issues.
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I'll post another high profile case tonight which was done by someone who spoke perfect English! :)
Each situation requires different tools. You making it out as this is the only method used to file a case.
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Since when is speaking bad english considered trolling? What are you on about.
Also the whole point is to make them think your just another noob... Don't quite understand what's so difficult to comprehend about "uc concept".
Yea i don't understand what'a so difficult about it either, yet you people completly fail to do it properly. But i guess that's because you are so god damn obssesed with winning. You can roleplay undercover without acting like a mentally challenged chimp as well, yet that's just how you chose to do it, just to remove the chances of getting caught
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Yea i don't understand what'a so difficult about it either, yet you people completly fail to do it properly. But i guess that's because you are so god damn obssesed with winning. You can roleplay undercover without acting like a mentally challenged chimp as well, yet that's just how you chose to do it, just to remove the chances of getting caught
(http://memesvault.com/wp-content/uploads/Facepalm-Meme-Gif-19.png)
This isn't the only method used to catch people my friend. If you're upset about GSF cases, they were done by people speaking perfect English. You picked out two cases and started moaning. Also what does winning have to do with this? lol The job of the FBI is to collect intelligence and evidence to file criminal cases not distribute cookies.
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Yea i don't understand what'a so difficult about it either, yet you people completly fail to do it properly. But i guess that's because you are so god damn obssesed with winning. You can roleplay undercover without acting like a mentally challenged chimp as well, yet that's just how you chose to do it, just to remove the chances of getting caught
When the tools to catch criminals are being taken away from you day by day, you need to rely on what you've got left to succeed. If you're stupid enough to accept someone in your family with no sort of background check or actual conversation, then you deserve to be sued.
You can role-play undercover whilst acting in anyway, but sometimes, depending on who you're going for, you need to act differently to get the job done.
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This is quite funny.. You're blaming us for your incompetence.
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Yea i don't understand what'a so difficult about it either, yet you people completly fail to do it properly. But i guess that's because you are so god damn obssesed with winning. You can roleplay undercover without acting like a mentally challenged chimp as well, yet that's just how you chose to do it, just to remove the chances of getting caught
You can't blame the FBI for going for the easy win, I mean most of these groups that get started are formed by people who have the most basic understanding on English and most likely roleplay. You act like the village retard and you're fitting right in, these groups ain't asking you questions or what not they want the numbers and more people to partake in gun fights and growing drugs.
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You can't blame the FBI for going for the easy win, I mean most of these groups that get started are formed by people who have the most basic understanding on English and most likely roleplay. You act like the village retard and you're fitting right in, these groups ain't asking you questions or what not they want the numbers and more people to partake in gun fights and growing drugs.
This is exactly why i'm against letting anyone and everyone open group regardless their english and roleplay skills.
(http://memesvault.com/wp-content/uploads/Facepalm-Meme-Gif-19.png)
This isn't the only method used to catch people my friend. If you're upset about GSF cases, they were done by people speaking perfect English. You picked out two cases and started moaning. Also what does winning have to do with this? lol The job of the FBI is to collect intelligence and evidence to file criminal cases not distribute cookies.
That's exactly what my point is. If you roleplay it properly you can still gather evidence and have a case, yet you people resort to acting dumb lol. Moaning? Damn it lol you keep failing to see the point.
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This is exactly why i'm against letting anyone and everyone open group regardless their english and roleplay skills.
That's exactly what my point is. If you roleplay it properly you can still gather evidence and have a case, yet you people resort to acting dumb lol. Moaning? Damn it lol you keep failing to see the point.
More like you keep failing to see the point now stop embarrassing yourself..
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isn't this what the whole concept of an "undercover agent" is supposed to be anyway?
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isn't this what the whole concept of an "undercover agent" is supposed to be anyway?
Nope, apparently suppose to go up to people, speak with perfect punctuation and manners. Making sure you got a tissue if you sneeze and say "hello sir, may I offer you a spliff? "
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More like you keep failing to see the point now stop embarrassing yourself..
Lol kid please. Grow a brain already.
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Lol kid please. Grow a brain already.
Me big kid!
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/recess/images/4/41/The_Legend_of_Big_Kid.png/revision/latest?cb=20150501083832)
Anyways if you're getting mad, I'd suggest a cold drink and a walk in the park.
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isn't this what the whole concept of an "undercover agent" is supposed to be anyway?
So you are saying an undercover agent is supposed to act like a noob/troll in orser to infiltrate a criminal organisation. How do they even know it's a criminal group even? Do they have permission to break the law themselves, while undercover? See while I do agree they do lack some ways of going undercover, because there is no metagame rule, I also think they are unable to properly RP their undercover ways, or simply wish to disregard them in order to bust a good target. See Sam's case for example, Sam wasn't the only one shooting there, others were too. Yet Sam being mayor was sued. Not trying to play the victim by the way.
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So you are saying an undercover agent is supposed to act like a noob/troll in orser to infiltrate a criminal organisation. How do they even know it's a criminal group even? Do they have permission to break the law themselves, while undercover? See while I do agree they do lack some ways of going undercover, because there is no metagame rule, I also think they are unable to properly RP their undercover ways, or simply wish to disregard them in order to bust a good target. See Sam's case for example, Sam wasn't the only one shooting there, others were too. Yet Sam being mayor was sued. Not trying to play the victim by the way.
And they do, what they did in your case is just to mix in the crowd and be invisible. Your problem if you're dealing with randoms.
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I don't know why everyone associates someone with bad English speaking capabilities with noobs or new players. There are far older people who still cannot speak English properly.
If someone cannot speak English it's to do with something else other than being a noob or new players, since calling someone a noob or a new player just because he can't speak a language properly seems pretty rude to me.
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Me big kid!
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/recess/images/4/41/The_Legend_of_Big_Kid.png/revision/latest?cb=20150501083832)
Anyways if you're getting mad, I'd suggest a cold drink and a walk in the park.
Lol the elementary school level provoking 'you mad??' grow up internet thug
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Lol the elementary school level provoking 'you mad??' grow up internet thug
Work for the FBI man not allowed to be a thug-..
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Work for the FBI man not allowed to be a thug-..
Keep going with your nonsense lol. Nothing smart can come out of you anyway.
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Keep going with your nonsense lol. Nothing smart can come out of you anyway.
I'm not the guy who started insulting when you had no more arguments left and realised you were indeed embarrassing yourself.
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"hello sir, may I offer you a spliff? "
wait a minute, there's something awfully wrong about you :neutral2: :neutral2: :rofl: :rofl:
So you are saying an undercover agent is supposed to act like a noob/troll in orser to infiltrate a criminal organisation. How do they even know it's a criminal group even? Do they have permission to break the law themselves, while undercover? See while I do agree they do lack some ways of going undercover, because there is no metagame rule, I also think they are unable to properly RP their undercover ways, or simply wish to disregard them in order to bust a good target. See Sam's case for example, Sam wasn't the only one shooting there, others were too. Yet Sam being mayor was sued. Not trying to play the victim by the way.
all I'm saying is that the point of an undercover agent is to be someone that doesn't give up his undercover nature, but as with anything Argonath unfortunately, things always get personal.
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Ok I will ignore half the thread because it's all nonsensical insults that won't help anyone.
The bottom line is that when FBI goes undercover they RPly act like another person, so talking in /l with broken English is essential for their undercover mission. And most don't talk in /P or /pm with broken English, only in a RP sense.
But don't act like it's impossible to know who is undercover. A dude with 2.5k armor, 25 days play time, hidden when made and driving like a veteran is not a noob, I am sorry but whoever falls for that shit is just not observing their surroundings.
I have never gotten a UC FBI agent to break character RP wise or act stupid in /pm.
As long as stupidity is kept RPly than the people falling for it are the dumb ones. Be vary of people you deal with, the days of "lol this noob will grow weed for me" are over.
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I'm not the guy who started insulting when you had no more arguments left and realised you were indeed embarrassing yourself.
More like you keep failing to see the point now stop embarrassing yourself..
The irony lol. You were in fact the one with no arguments and not a single fact from the beggining of this topic.
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Keep going with your nonsense lol. Nothing smart can come out of you anyway.
Hey cool it man. Chuck your insults at somebody who deserves it.
I don't personally have an issue with the FBI being UC and acting less serious. They're just breaking out of identity... if they're still roleplaying and aren't breaking server rules, what's the problem?
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Ok I will ignore half the thread because it's all nonsensical insults that won't help anyone.
The bottom line is that when FBI goes undercover they RPly act like another person, so talking in /l with broken English is essential for their undercover mission. And most don't talk in /P or /pm with broken English, only in a RP sense.
But don't act like it's impossible to know who is undercover. A dude with 2.5k armor, 25 days play time, hidden when made and driving like a veteran is not a noob, I am sorry but whoever falls for that shit is just not observing their surroundings.
I have never gotten a UC FBI agent to break character RP wise or act stupid in /pm.
As long as stupidity is kept RPly than the people falling for it are the dumb ones. Be vary of people you deal with, the days of "lol this noob will grow weed for me" are over.
:app: Exactly what we talking about. Direct hit.
By the way, Jovanca, you got us offended now, we'll have to take further steps!
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four pages and i still don't see the problem
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What did you expect? #argonath
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So '/S I WILL KILL YOR MAM FEK YOU' is quallity roleplaying a dude with bad english knowledge? GSF roleplays bad english, but we don't act like fucking chimps
"Imma slash yow mam, fek yow"
Beats saying: "/me says in a cockney accent: I am going to kill your mother, so fuck you"
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"Imma slash yow mam, fek yow"
Beats saying: "/me says in a cockney accent: I am going to kill your mother, so fuck you"
Zero punctation just to look like a dumb fuck, out of roleplay. Lame way to fool less skilled people, no matter what you say.
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What you type down in roleplay is what your character 'says' in roleplay. Fooling people by intentionally refusing to punctate sentences you write goes beyond actual roleplay.
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So '/S I WILL KILL YOR MAM FEK YOU' is quallity roleplaying a dude with bad english knowledge? GSF roleplays bad english, but we don't act like fucking chimps
Who acted like chimps? Give it a break son. Only thing they did was use shit English.
The irony lol. You were in fact the one with no arguments and not a single fact from the beggining of this topic.
Don't see the irony since nothing I said was an insult, just illogical responses to your illogical points. Nevertheless I suggest you go do something else since clearly you can't be educated in this matter since you don't want to be.
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Lame way to fool less skilled people, no matter what you say.
Who acted like chimps? Give it a break son. Only thing they did was use shit English.
[21:32:04] Amir_Camorra(35) says: fucking bitch
[21:32:24] Amir_Camorra(35) says: they try kill us
[21:46:37] Amir_Camorra(35) says: nothing
[21:48:47] {FFFFFF}Amir_Camorra{FFFFFF}: (35) i miss old LSAP houses!!
[21:51:45] Amir_Camorra(35) says: let us go
[21:54:11] Amir_Camorra(35) says: let us go!!
[21:54:31] Amir_Camorra(35) says: what the fuck u call me
[21:54:42] Amir_Camorra(35) says: i will kill ur mom
[21:55:14] Amir_Camorra(35) says: make me bitch
[22:07:21] Amir_Camorra(35) shouts: let us go please!!
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Do we REALLY have to make a moaning topic for every single thing that 'hurts' our virtual feelings? Jaka said it all.
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[21:32:04] Amir_Camorra(35) says: fucking bitch
[21:32:24] Amir_Camorra(35) says: they try kill us
[21:46:37] Amir_Camorra(35) says: nothing
[21:48:47] {FFFFFF}Amir_Camorra{FFFFFF}: (35) i miss old LSAP houses!!
[21:51:45] Amir_Camorra(35) says: let us go
[21:54:11] Amir_Camorra(35) says: let us go!!
[21:54:31] Amir_Camorra(35) says: what the fuck u call me
[21:54:42] Amir_Camorra(35) says: i will kill ur mom
[21:55:14] Amir_Camorra(35) says: make me bitch
[22:07:21] Amir_Camorra(35) shouts: let us go please!!
Should see one of you when you get abused by a freecop, it is a lot worse.
So raging as a result of getting caught by police is being a chimp? Alright. Bottom line, keep bitching, just cause your boy got caught ain't gonna change anything. And if you're not as good as a criminal as you thought and can't spot a uc, tuff luck for you. Peace.
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They are doing their best to fit the surrounding atmosphere of the group they join. New player or no it's still something that has to be done. In Matthews case it was better to act like a new players since the group is new and he used it on his own purpose.
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Imo, there is no problem for the FBI to act like that in rp as they are UC but the problem here would be the non-rp ways, trying to act full Corler/old Scotto on the mainchat would be a problem. SKOTO ATAK TERA ROBEDA.
This is what should be called meta-gaming.
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When did the FBI start? 2007?
Never heard any complain in 9 years if they should do it like this or not. Does everything in the server has to be attacked? Well boohoo to those who lost weed or do not accept the way they roll.
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Imo, there is no problem for the FBI to act like that in rp as they are UC but the problem here would be the non-rp ways, trying to act full Corler/old Scotto on the mainchat would be a problem. SKOTO ATAK TERA ROBEDA.
This is what should be called meta-gaming.
Exactly and they don't do this in any other chat as explained here:Ok I will ignore half the thread because it's all nonsensical insults that won't help anyone.
The bottom line is that when FBI goes undercover they RPly act like another person, so talking in /l with broken English is essential for their undercover mission. And most don't talk in /P or /pm with broken English, only in a RP sense.
But don't act like it's impossible to know who is undercover. A dude with 2.5k armor, 25 days play time, hidden when made and driving like a veteran is not a noob, I am sorry but whoever falls for that shit is just not observing their surroundings.
I have never gotten a UC FBI agent to break character RP wise or act stupid in /pm.
As long as stupidity is kept RPly than the people falling for it are the dumb ones. Be vary of people you deal with, the days of "lol this noob will grow weed for me" are over.
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I have never gotten a UC FBI agent to break character RP wise or act stupid in /pm.
I have.
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So uhh, let's make it mandatory for veterans to talk with perfect grammar, punctuation and spelling and also to have a certain attitude in their messages? It should be rulebreaking to talk like a different person undercover? Or is this just another ''you nailed my Srbijan buddy so now I'm just gonna kick against your group on the forums a little out of frustration'' fest?
You're upset, okay, but what do you propose as an improvement? That should be your aim in topics like these, not ''UGH, YOU TALK LIKE DUMB CHIMP FUCK U SO STUPID''.
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Go find a new topic people this isn't worth moaning about.
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Zero punctation just to look like a dumb fuck, out of roleplay. Lame way to fool less skilled people, no matter what you say.
So you're calling half of Gvardia, camorra and their associates less skilled?
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So uhh, let's make it mandatory for veterans to talk with perfect grammar, punctuation and spelling and also to have a certain attitude in their messages? It should be rulebreaking to talk like a different person undercover? Or is this just another ''you nailed my Srbijan buddy so now I'm just gonna kick against your group on the forums a little out of frustration'' fest?
You're upset, okay, but what do you propose as an improvement? That should be your aim in topics like these, not ''UGH, YOU TALK LIKE DUMB CHIMP FUCK U SO STUPID''.
Yo chill man, it was Greasy who only asked why this was happening, this topic isn't about making a rule against this. There's other topics for that. It did get derailed but hey, do I need to guide you through our forums?
So you're calling half of Gvardia, camorra and their associates less skilled?
lmao. Bro I need to get whatever your math teacher is having. Contact number?
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lmao. Bro I need to get whatever your math teacher is having. Contact number?
As far as I know, you all got fooled by sir amir so according to Jovanca, you're less skilled.
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half of Gvardia, camorra and their associates
lmao. Bro I need to get whatever your math teacher is having. Contact number?
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All as in all of the people I mentioned.
FBI aren't finished yet either :)
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Simply move on. Live with it. Believe it or not, love it or not, this is a roleplay server and there's police in it. Otherwise if there wasn't, you'd be calling it Mafia RPG. Accept that you can lose, we accept that we can lose and move on. It's a game, made to be entertaining and fun. If you're all about winning, find something else to play like GTA:SA singleplayer.
If FBI cannot be undercover properly, then:
(http://i.imgur.com/0FnBVLO.png)
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Now now now, this isn't what I had in mind with the topic at all. Thing is, you're supposed to be the elite of the elite of the Law Enforcement. Back in 2011 or was it 2012, can't remember, there was a FBI case going against the AOD. The undercover agents were acting like any other roleplayer around our group back then. Some of us knew they were FBI agents, I knew, yet I let it continue due to the character relations and their developed undercover personality. I was really happy about how it all went, some characters were arrested, interrogated, I served a sentence in Mordor and let it go. It was all In-Character, there were no forum suits or trials. I think we even RPed in the LV Court House(Little off topic, but what happened to it? One of the best scenarios I was part of were hosted there, I still remember a case against an Ancelotti in which the family stood seated while the court took place).
I understand the benefits and why you decide to do all that, but in Argonath, new players have always been treated better, rules benefit them, administration gives lighter punishments and gives them a chance to fix themselves. Veterans are supposed to know what they're doing and can't slip through the raindrops. I said "new players" mainly to avoid calling someone a "noob" or "less skilled" which is going to cause a shitstorm. There's no need to pull the "why do you assume only new players speak bad english" card. You and everyone knows what I mean by that. Why don't you take your time to join this group, RP an undercover agent, take your time to make a casefile against each member of the group and actually spend time on roleplaying with them. Take for example the IRL case in which an undercover agent supposedly was accepted in the Hells Angels while gaining evidence. He struggled with living his normal life and the fake one as a biker. Take your time roleplaying that, I'm sure you, your colleagues and the people in the group will enjoy it.
The point of this topic is that we're not a win/lose server in a mode that one team wins the other loses. We are a server based on Roleplay. Roleplay the thing. I'm sure you'll inflitrate a group much easier when you prove to be a good roleplayer. (And "buy my weed pls" "u buy weed???" is not the way to do it.) I want both sides to interact and roleplay, so Arslan, no need to PM me and take this personal, this is aimed for both sides.
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If you let someone into AoD knowing they're FBI then it means they failed at being undercover properly. And if you let it happen, it doesn't mean others will. Especially Corleone or Gvardia.
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If you let someone into AoD knowing they're FBI then it means they failed at being undercover properly. And if you let it happen, it doesn't mean others will. Especially Corleone or Gvardia.
We didn't know at first, some people found out later on, I learned OOCly(Out of Roleplay for those who'll go NO IC/OOC ON ARGONATH) about those agents as the case went on. But in characterwise(refer to last brackets for NO IC/OOC people) there was no proof as the agents did a good job. The interaction was great for both groups. As for the "others won't make it happen" "Gvardia or Corleone", have you even tried? I remember back when Roman was Gvardia and suddenly he went FBI there was alot of RP troubles for both sides, none of it was taken to forums in moaning topics and cases. Keep roleplaying, it's a game, you're supposed to do it for entertainment not for winning or losing. (which is why we should prohibit powergaming - the play2win aspect of it)
Until FBI Undercover agents go out simply to bust the criminal groups with lawsuits and then go raid their fields, there'll be trouble between both sides OOCly. If we just start roleplaying together, build cases, pull in informants etc, this whole LAW vs CRIMINAL conflict will end and we'll be one step ahead in improving roleplay in Argonath.
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I personally don't mind it. It aint the first time they're doing it either. They're trying to do their job the best way possible, and Argonath is limiting them.
I do however wanna know, how are they allowed to committe mayor crimes, such as kidnaps, and killings?
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I think we even RPed in the LV Court House(Little off topic, but what happened to it? One of the best scenarios I was part of were hosted there, I still remember a case against an Ancelotti in which the family stood seated while the court took place).
This still happens and we did this with Stivi Gvardia not too long ago, he was arrested and trialed in LV courthouse. Also the reason most filed and take place on forum is due to availability of all parties in a case which close to never are the same.
I understand the benefits and why you decide to do all that, but in Argonath, new players have always been treated better, rules benefit them, administration gives lighter punishments and gives them a chance to fix themselves.
Admins know exactly who the ucs are - some are even leaked due to this and I don't see how this has anything to do with the situation since they don't go uc and start breaking rules.
I want both sides to interact and roleplay, so Arslan, no need to PM me and take this personal, this is aimed for both sides.
Your basing this on one case which I don't understand. Go read previous cases and do more reading instead of cherry picking. I don't see what your aiming at? What are you trying to get both sides to do?
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Not everyone is as strict as you in terms on ic and ooc so generalising and saying do this or that won't help. We have to adapt to what argonath gives us to play with and thats if your name is a known fbi name, they won't even stand next to you.
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Not everyone is as strict as you in terms on ic and ooc so generalising and saying do this or that won't help. We have to adapt to what argonath gives us to play with and thats if your name is a known fbi name, they won't even stand next to you.
That's why you guys /changename, work your way up, interact with the group. Instead of busting someone because he made an advert that he's buying drugs, monitor him, send a UC agent to keep supplying him until you learn when he'll sell them to market, ambush them there, lock down drug market spots. I'm sure there's very little if no groups who'd mind such an interaction and actually enjoy it.
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There's a thing called assets that we use for long term intelligence and evidence. Which you will see later on today.
Undercover operations like this recent one were a short term where we do what's needed to better reveal our identity than our asset's identity.
If we are to use our asset in court as evidence then we'd ruin a long term feed of evidence and intelligence, whereas I revealed my identity but the asset can continue working.
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That's why you guys /changename, work your way up, interact with the group. Instead of busting someone because he made an advert that he's buying drugs, monitor him, send a UC agent to keep supplying him until you learn when he'll sell them to market, ambush them there, lock down drug market spots. I'm sure there's very little if no groups who'd mind such an interaction and actually enjoy it.
I repeat, this is Argonath. Saying and practically doing such things are two completely different things. As I said we deal with people with what they give us. The sort of RP you're talking about is all behind the scenes and tonight a case will be posted reflective of such RP so stay tuned.
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Simply move on. Live with it. Believe it or not, love it or not, this is a roleplay server and there's police in it. Otherwise if there wasn't, you'd be calling it Mafia RPG. Accept that you can lose, we accept that we can lose and move on. It's a game, made to be entertaining and fun. If you're all about winning, find something else to play like GTA:SA singleplayer.
If FBI cannot be undercover properly, then:
(http://i.imgur.com/0FnBVLO.png)
As Arslan said already, GSF got busted by a guy who roleplayed properly with using proper english. But because some groups wouldn't fall for it you resort to way lamer method. You call that accepting you can't always win? Come on lol
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It's called adapting. You can't enter all groups the same way. It'd work for your group and Greasy's but won't for another.
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As Arslan said already, GSF got busted by a guy who roleplayed properly with using proper english. But because some groups wouldn't fall for it you resort to way lamer method. You call that accepting you can't always win? Come on lol
What part of it is to mix with the environment the agent is in do you not understand? If there are 10 retards and you put Steven Hawking with them, I think you'd be able to pick him out pretty easily.
I've praised GSF for their RP in the past and I have nothing against it. I also see those who don't rp get removed which is also good.
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You can't always win .
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we accept that we can lose and move on. It's a game
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You can't always win .
And we don't. Only difference is every time we don't win we don't make topics on forum so no one knows about them. You only know about what you and your crew have seen but we RP with the whole server, not just you. If you know how much shit we have to go through due to Argonath and court rules, you would know we don't always win. If it was that easy to win, there'd be a case in court everyday but there isn't.
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we accept that we can lose and move on. It's a game
Stop saying it. Act like it.
Edit: idk if its my phone or what but quote bugged out.
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No, seriously though , the UC Agents act like retards to try "Infiltrate", then you follow them and what you see is them meeting up with an Agent you know is UC. So either infiltrate properly or dont.
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Stop saying it. Act like it.
Edit: idk if its my phone or what but quote bugged out.
Bottom line, criminal problems are public and get debated every time someone has a problem, it isn't the same for the opposition. ;)
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We do act like it. View our topics and find when did we make a topic when we lost.
You are complaining about us changing the way we talk in a virtual chat in a game. It's called adapting to environment and being crafty. We do what's needed to gather intelligence and evidence, if it doesn't succeed we move on, if it succeeds we make a court case. You making posts and arguing with no base about how we do undercover duty won't change anything.
No, seriously though , the UC Agents act like retards to try "Infiltrate", then you follow them and what you see is them meeting up with an Agent you know is UC. So either infiltrate properly or dont.
I don't think you saw an FBI undercover agent :hah:
What you might've seen is an non undercover Agent with a new name just doing his duty unmarked.
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No, seriously though , the UC Agents act like retards to try "Infiltrate", then you follow them and what you see is them meeting up with an Agent you know is UC. So either infiltrate properly or dont.
Go read the topic and don't post the same thing which has been explained about 10 times.
As for someone who can't loose: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=117830.msg1851995#new
Even spent time editing screens. :lol:
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We do act like it. View our topics and find when did we make a topic when we lost.
You are complaining about us changing the way we talk in a virtual chat in a game. It's called adapting to environment and being crafty. We do what's needed to gather intelligence and evidence, if it doesn't succeed we move on, if it succeeds we make a court case. You making posts and arguing with no base about how we do undercover duty won't change anything.
I don't think you saw an FBI undercover agent :hah:
What you might've seen is an non undercover Agent with a new name just doing his duty unmarked.
Ill adapt to thay by using RPGs in future i guess. Something i don't find realistic, but since no one else cares about the actual quallity of roleplaying but just care about adapting (aka doing what needs to be done to win) ill have no other choice.
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Ill adapt to thay by using RPGs in future i guess. Something i don't find realistic, but since no one else cares about the actual quallity of roleplaying but just care about adapting (aka doing what needs to be done to win)
Alright mate you take it as you want. May the force be with you. You can't handle a guy speaking shit English.
Just make sure you don't make a Hydra topic when you use it.
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Jov I don't even see what your problem is lol. Why are you so worried about FBI going uc and talking shit english or perfect english. It's a part of the roleplay deal with it. Stop being so worried.
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Jov I don't even see what your problem is lol. Why are you so worried about FBI going uc and talking shit english or perfect english. It's a part of the roleplay deal with it. Stop being so worried.
If guy can properly rp but chooses not to, i see it as trolling. And im not worried, ill have my rpg ready for when next player approaches me acting like a chimp.
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If guy can properly rp but chooses not to, i see it as trolling. And im not worried, ill have my rpg ready for when next player approaches me acting like a chimp.
If RP is defined by how you speak English, go learn the definition of RP. But I'm gonna stop now since you keep repeating the same thing. You can't educate a fool.
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You can't educate a fool.
Exactly, now you understand why i ignored last 10 posts of yours.
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Exactly, now you understand why i ignored last 10 posts of yours.
Clearly because even after people who are from your side have attempted to get the point across to you and you still haven't comprehended it. You have my sympathy.
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Exactly, now you understand why i ignored last 10 posts of yours.
You used to speak shitty english back then, don't be a hypocrite. I think Gandalf even put up a rule in which you can't discriminate against someone's english skills, and if the FBI is taking advantage of that to fool unsuspecting groups, then it ins't their fault, as Matthew said they're just adapting and taking whatever chances they may get.
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You used to speak shitty english back then, don't be a hypocrite. I think Gandalf even put up a rule in which you can't discriminate against someone's english skills, and if the FBI is taking advantage of that to fool unsuspecting groups, then it ins't their fault, as Matthew said they're just adapting and taking whatever chances they may get.
Let it be, even if you held a convention with the whole server to explain it to him it wouldn't help.
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You used to speak shitty english back then, don't be a hypocrite. I think Gandalf even put up a rule in which you can't discriminate against someone's english skills
Exactly. They don't lack english skills though, rather mock the ones who do by trying to imitate them.
and if the FBI is taking advantage of that to fool unsuspecting groups, then it ins't their fault, as Matthew said they're just adapting and taking whatever chances they may get.
And is that an attitude of a player who doesn't care if they win or lose?
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Let it be, even if you held a convention with the whole server to explain it to him it wouldn't help.
Keep trying to insult me lol, you still got no facts.
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Why are people crying about being sued, its not like your getting any severe punishment if u lose the case. Whats the worst that can happen, they take some cash and tell you that you can use guns ?
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Idk who you sre reffering to grandpa but i wasn't sued nor do i give a fuck who was sued or not. I just can't believe how idiotic behavior an official law enforcement group resorts to, no matter what is the reason behind it.
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I agree with Jov at some point, but at the same time that's the whole point of going undercover, they have to imitate a character far from theirs. Considering Camarro was a group of arabs or so, the fbi used an arab name used a really bad English/communicating way which is really smart in my opinion
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I can understand using bad english, but intentionally refusing to punctate or capitalize? Bunny hopping around and shouting shit? If he actually cared about roleplaying realistically he wouldn't have done either of those things.
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Bunny hopping around and shouting shit?
During a roleplay.
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Idk who you sre reffering to grandpa but i wasn't sued nor do i give a fuck who was sued or not. I just can't believe how idiotic behavior an official law enforcement group resorts to, no matter what is the reason behind it.
No I wasn't targeting anyone in particular I was just saying I don't realy care if the FBI goes UC and busts people, its not like they can sue for much anyways.
I do agree however if they are UC and doing a role they shouldnt intentionally act like a retard to mock new groups.
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None is mocking anybody, if we pretend to speak English bad it's used as disguise with intention to fit into the environment and sound natural in the environment we're in.
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None is mocking anybody, if we pretend to speak English bad it's used as disguise with intention to fit into the environment and sound natural in the environment we're in.
Roleplaying not to know english doesn't equal pretending not to know english.
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Whatever you say. I can roleplay to not speak English at all if I want to and still speak English in main chat.
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[21:32:04] Amir_Camorra(35) says: fucking bitch
[21:32:24] Amir_Camorra(35) says: they try kill us
[21:46:37] Amir_Camorra(35) says: nothing
[21:48:47] {FFFFFF}Amir_Camorra{FFFFFF}: (35) i miss old LSAP houses!!
[21:51:45] Amir_Camorra(35) says: let us go
[21:54:11] Amir_Camorra(35) says: let us go!!
[21:54:31] Amir_Camorra(35) says: what the fuck u call me
[21:54:42] Amir_Camorra(35) says: i will kill ur mom
[21:55:14] Amir_Camorra(35) says: make me bitch
[22:07:21] Amir_Camorra(35) shouts: let us go please!!
This is not roleplaying a person who doesn't know english. It's just pretending to be retarded.
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That was said to FBI members while I was in custody inside the FBI Rancher. Also, it's called playing along while being 'arrested' since Silvester was with me. You can't expect me to start showing my badge and start speaking proper English when there's the don of Camorra sitting with me.
Damien even told me:
when you said you were gonna kill my mother back in Santa Maria Pier, you sure know how to get under someones skin
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I never thought it'd get to the edge of a few moaning on FBI because they're doing their job, heh.
It's simple: They use the resources they find appropriated for cases and cases, and that would include speaking with different slangs, accents and ways of speaking (as you're all calling in this topic, bad english). Different groups have different approaches; you wouldn't approach bigger and recognized families with experienced players, such as Gvardia and Corleone speaking in terrible manner as all you'd get is a kick in the butt. But the same way seems to work with a few other groups, who are seeingly mass-recruiting and may not have the proper feel to do that ''filtering'' due to multiple factors.
People also argument they're 'mocking' new groups by acting like new players would. I mean, like... the fact that they need to blend in the easiest way is completly disregarded? The ones claiming that are the ones who are objectfying these groups as if they were ''inferior'' due to low english skills and playing time. It's all about preconception.
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That was said to FBI members while I was in custody inside the FBI Rancher. Also, it's called playing along while being 'arrested' since Silvester was with me. You can't expect me to start showing my badge and start speaking proper English when there's the don of Camorra sitting with me.
Damien even told me:
So that's the best way you can portray a mafia member? Alright.
I never thought it'd get to the edge of a few moaning on FBI because they're doing their job, heh.
It's simple: They use the resources they find appropriated for cases and cases, and that would include speaking with different slangs, accents and ways of speaking (as you're all calling in this topic, bad english). Different groups have different approaches; you wouldn't approach bigger and recognized families with experienced players, such as Gvardia and Corleone speaking in terrible manner as all you'd get is a kick in the butt. But the same way seems to work with a few other groups, who are seeingly mass-recruiting and may not have the proper feel to do that ''filtering'' due to multiple factors.
People also argument they're 'mocking' new groups by acting like new players would. I mean, like... the fact that they need to blend in the easiest way is completly disregarded? The ones claiming that are the ones who are objectfying these groups as if they were ''inferior'' due to low english skills and playing time. It's all about preconception.
Wait what? So you treat them like retards by acting like retards to blend in, yet we're 'objectfying these groups as if they were inferior due to low english skills and play time'?
Basically you're saying they don't deserve the same treatment because they're not as experienced/good as Corleone and Gvardia, and that's not nice.
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In conclusion, you cannot forbid anyone to speak good or bad English language in roleplay. FBI will still continue to perform undercover duties in whatever way that will be fit for the targeted environment and the case. If it worked for past 9 years as Twenty said then it'll work for another 9 years.
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Exactly, so either go play the game or go outside and do something practical with your life instead of sitting in front of a screen enlightening the community with your intelligence.
I would but i'm at work lol. Stop being so rude.
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I would but i'm at work lol. Stop being so rude.
At work and you been battling on forum all day. Sitting there killing flies? :lol:
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Uhm you are taking this way too personal. But i work in an exchange office so yea there's not much work during summer. Can you not just relax?
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Uhm you are taking this way too personal. But i work in an exchange office so yea there's not much work during summer. Can you not just relax?
I would be taking this personally if I took you seriously but I don't so chill. Stop flattering yourself.
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Wow mate you are so mad right now. I'm sorry i didn't mean to piss on you.
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Piss you off*
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Wow mate you are so mad right now. I'm sorry i didn't mean to piss on you.
Its okay, I accept your apology.
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cba to read whole thread, it's not only broken english on /l that would be fine
it's more like
"lol what is of trucking??"
"how do that anim???"
"i want sell weed"
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cba to read whole thread, it's not only broken english on /l that would be fine
it's more like
"lol what is of trucking??"
"how do that anim???"
"i want sell weed"
And none from undercover people asks those questions.
And Arslan and Jov, go back to work stop slowing down the growth of your business.
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Actually its 8pm. My shift is over and im coming home to prepare the rpg.
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(http://i.imgur.com/7jPcbxC.png)
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cba to read whole thread, it's not only broken english on /l that would be fine
it's more like
"lol what is of trucking??"
"how do that anim???"
"i want sell weed"
I've yet to see this but if it's actually happening, that's pretty fucking despicable.
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I wouldn't allow that in first place. Using weak English is one thing, but asking questions you know answers to in regards to server is just wasting someone's time and being an idiot.
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I wouldn't allow that in first place. Using weak English is one thing, but asking questions you know answers to in regards to server is just wasting someone's time and being an idiot.
"can i harvest?"
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I'm going to go ahead and ignore the last 9 pages. I know how every topic like this inevitably descends into childish insults one way or another.
Although I commend FBI for the effectiveness of this technique, I feel that it is morally wrong, because I have a tendency to go the extra mile for new players who aspire to enter the criminal world of Argonath, and I feel that FBI will happily take advantage of this. Now I'm going to have a hard time trusting any new player that I see and be less inclined to help them learn how to thrive in the criminal world. Sure, that may be a good thing in the eyes of FBI, but in the grand scheme of things, not so much.
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It actually depends on the case, it depends on you to build your way into their groups.
Sometimes you need to act ultra professional to get into specific Mafias, sometimes you should fool them with poor English skills and sometimes you should fool a high ranked member with a fake background and gain their trust. You cant judge something which you don't have any idea about, however unfortunately that's something we used to do on Argonath.
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"can i harvest?"
How is "can I harvest" related to anything like "what is the command to harvest"?
There were guns brandished and discharged, the question that was asked at that point was could Amir continue to harvest.
Check Jim Small's case for example, as I know that Jim is a gangster, I used the accent and language fit for the case.
You will also see in upcoming case that plain professional English language was used.
It all depends on case that's in question. One method won't work for all cases. You just need to cope with it and move along.
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Sometimes you need to act ultra professional to get into specific Mafias, sometimes you should fool them with poor English skills and sometimes you should fool a high ranked member with a fake background and gain their trust.
Your point would be valid except that this is a newbie friendly community. Some of us (including those in high-profile criminal groups) go out of our way to teach new players. That doesn't mean accepting them into the ranks. It's just helping them get started with commands, seeds and whatnot. The fact that people are allegedly taking advantage of a good gesture like this is pretty sad. This is just going to cause the recently increased stigma on new players to just get worse.
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None is taking advantage of anything. It's just another topic that's filled by one side in this Argonath's TDM where they accuse the opposite team of something without any base or evidence.
Amir Camorra at no point abused someone or wasted someone's time pretending to be a newbie and asking server related questions that he knew answers about. While I was Amir Camorra, I was trucking, I drove my own personal car, I used my phone, I was at the weed fields and so on, so if I own a house, a car, a phone and am actively trucking and participating in weed field raids, how does that make me a newbie or "undercover agent taking advantage of every argonath player who becomes a saint as soon as he spots a new player"?
Also, I don't think you need to sell or buy weed from a new player either. How does a new player know to harvest or plant weed? I met many new players and gave them money without asking them for weed or something to give me in exchange. If you really wanna help new players, help them without weed and guns.
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Your point would be valid except that this is a newbie friendly community. Some of us (including those in high-profile criminal groups) go out of our way to teach new players. That doesn't mean accepting them into the ranks. It's just helping them get started with commands, seeds and whatnot. The fact that people are taking advantage of a good gesture like this is pretty sad. This is just going to cause the recently increased stigma on new players to just get worse.
To be honest its not that much hard to detect a new player.
Almost 0% of the newplayers would disable their /whenmade, country login and so on...
Beside that, most of the times newbies would ask for help on public chat or they will ask administrators. UC agents wouldn't do such things.
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None is taking advantage of anything. It's just another topic that's filled by one side in this Argonath's TDM where they accuse the opposite team of something without any base or evidence.
I'm not accusing anybody. Prove it if you want.
Amir Camorra at no point abused someone or wasted someone's time pretending to be a newbie and asking server related questions that he knew answers about. While I was Amir Camorra, I was trucking, I drove my own personal car, I used my phone, I was at the weed fields and so on, so if I own a house, a car, a phone and am actively trucking and participating in weed field raids, how does that make me a newbie or "undercover agent taking advantage of every argonath player who becomes a saint as soon as he spots a new player"?
I was not referring to your specific case but was replying to Peter's post. No idea why you jumped to reply so quickly with your anecdote.
To be honest its not that much hard to detect a new player.
Almost 0% of the newplayers would disable their /whenmade, country login and so on...
Beside that, most of the times newbies would ask for help on public chat or they will ask administrators. UC agents wouldn't do such things.
So you're saying I should use OOC/MG commands to detect whether somebody is a newbie or not? Fine with me. Just don't be surprised when myself and others don't incriminate ourselves so willingly.
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The topic is clearly about "undercover FBI agents acting like new players", so when you post that people are abusing people's trust and taking advantage, it's said without any base under it.
We don't go around and start asking people to drive us around and show us where is what and waste their time asking them to teach us how to truck, how to be police or how to do something else.
So I don't know what's up with all the people saying that we take advantage of someone's trust or waste their time. We go straight to business without asking someone questions about server or asking them to teach us something we know related to server.
In short, we don't abuse or waste anyone's time nor we impersonate new players.
Especially since you connected "good gesture" with " just helping them get started with commands, seeds and whatnot". None does that so I don't know what's the point of this topic and continuation of arguing.
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Well I fail to see how UC agents are doing something incorrectly in RP manners. I have just gave you few hints to separate newplayers from UC agents.
To point another thing, this situation is like blaming UC managers when they catch us rulebreaking. Using poor English language is one of their methods too, I guess you already know it @Link9rly as you are pretty much elder than anyone else here.
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The topic is clearly about "undercover FBI agents acting like new players", so when you post that people are abusing people's trust and taking advantage, it's said without any base under it.
The base is that newer players usually lack fluency in English. Now, I'm not (and didn't) accuse anybody in your group of asking in public chat for help with anything but the fact is that most of us do associate lack of English skills as somebody being new.
We don't go around and start asking people to drive us around and show us where is what and waste their time asking them to teach us how to truck, how to be police or how to do something else.
Again, I never did claim that you did. However, just as I said earlier, some of us do see that lack if English skills implies a new player so we usually go up to them ourselves to help them out since majority of the new players don't know the map names.
So I don't know what's up with all the people saying that we take advantage of someone's trust or waste their time. We go straight to business without asking someone questions about server or asking them to teach us something we know related to server.
In short, we don't abuse or waste anyone's time nor we impersonate new players.
Are you really sure that nobody does that? I'm speaking as just one player but I give seeds, shovels, GPSes, and other small amenities to new players. I've seen other established groups doing the same thing. Leon himself just said the same thing. Now, as I said, I'm not accusing anybody in your group going out and asking for seeds and whatnot. I did say that if it were to be happening, it'd be a pretty disgusting thing.
Well I fail to see how UC agents are doing something incorrectly in RP manners. I have just gave you few hints to separate newplayers from UC agents.
Yes, you did. However you gave non-roleplay methods of doing it, which is pretty shit.
To point another thing, this situation is like blaming UC managers when they catch us rulebreaking.
Except it's nothing like that at all. If somebody is rule breaking, they should be punished regardless. This is one of those famous grey areas because there's no written rules against it. However, it's definitely going to be frowned upon.
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Are you really sure that nobody does that? I'm speaking as just one player but I give seeds, shovels, GPSes, and other small amenities to new players. I've seen other established groups doing the same thing. Leon himself just said the same thing. Now, as I said, I'm not accusing anybody in your group going out and asking for seeds and whatnot. I did say that if it were to be happening, it'd be a pretty disgusting thing.
Yes.
If to you someone speaking bad English implies it's a new player, then it's your problem. It's one thing what someone speaking bad English is to you and what he is in reality. None in FBI will impersonate a new player and waste someone's time by pretending to not know anything about the server. None in FBI will ask you to give them GPS, phone or money. It simply doesn't happen. If anyone does that he'll be fired. Being undercover means you're pretending to be someone else in order to execute a task, be it gather intelligence or evidence. And that must be done by not wasting someone's time and impersonating a new player by asking questions about commands while you know the answer and by making other people drive you around and show you things you already know about.
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None in FBI will impersonate a new player and waste someone's time by pretending to not know anything about the server.
So long as you stick to this, there are no qualms from me.
Also, I don't think you need to sell or buy weed from a new player either. How does a new player know to harvest or plant weed? I met many new players and gave them money without asking them for weed or something to give me in exchange. If you really wanna help new players, help them without weed and guns.
A new player knows how to harvest/plant weed when they ask me, "How do I plant weed," and I show them how. I don't answer them with "Why not just become a cop/oil worker instead?" If they wanted to know how to get money without breaking the law they would have asked me.
how does that make me a newbie or "undercover agent taking advantage of every argonath player who becomes a saint as soon as he spots a new player"?
There are more effective ways to get people to listen to what you're trying to say than being a smartass.
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A new player knows how to harvest/plant weed when they ask me, "How do I plant weed," and I show them how. I don't answer them with "Why not just become a cop/oil worker instead?" If they wanted to know how to get money without breaking the law they would have asked me.
And an undercover agent won't do that, won't ask you to show them how to plant weed or ask you cmds to plant weed.
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Right 2 FBI UC Agents found in 2 new mafias.. alright which group is the next one? your ruining the mafia groups
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Actually, James, they're giving them a lesson not to accept everyone in their mafia.
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There, check the Abraham case. Example of a case where our asset wasn't using bad English. Also example that FBI is watching everyone, if we don't sue someone it doesn't mean we don't have eyes in.
It just means we won't expose someone useful.
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There, check the Abraham case. Example of a case where our asset wasn't using bad English. Also example that FBI is watching everyone, if we don't sue someone it doesn't mean we don't have eyes in.
It just means we won't expose someone useful.
Yeah was Marco an UC FBI agent or someone who decided to tell you stuff, or be the spy for you? There is quite a difference.
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I called him an asset for a reason. He was director of VC FBI anyway so you csn consider him whatever.
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Yeah was Marco an UC FBI agent or someone who decided to tell you stuff, or be the spy for you? There is quite a difference.
There is no difference. Bottom line, he got evidence which we could use.
As for a new topic, can we now discuss how "lame" (-Jov) it is to suicide and pull death cards because your shitting yourself as a result of a court case. Clearly avoiding rp opportunity! Or is this acceptable and the purest form of RP, please clarify, thank you.
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There is no difference. Bottom line, he got evidence which we could use.
As for a new topic, can we now discuss how "lame" (-Jov) it is to suicide and pull death cards because your shitting yourself as a result of a court case. Clearly avoiding rp opportunity! Or is this acceptable and the purest form of RP, please clarify, thank you.
There is a difference in how someone roleplays their way into the group.
Oh, you mad about that? Don't worry, I'll still RP my ghost at that very corner if you like! I did not shit myself, quite the contrary, but had to do something for the sake of another. Buying drugs is LEGAL. I did not distribute those drugs as you said in the court case, nor did I use them or possessed them. Oh well nothing you can prove at least. All you can prove is that I bought two bags, which I hid.
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We do act like it. View our topics and find when did we make a topic when we lost.
You are complaining about us changing the way we talk in a virtual chat in a game. It's called adapting to environment and being crafty. We do what's needed to gather intelligence and evidence, if it doesn't succeed we move on, if it succeeds we make a court case. You making posts and arguing with no base about how we do undercover duty won't change anything.
I don't think you saw an FBI undercover agent :hah:
What you might've seen is an non undercover Agent with a new name just doing his duty unmarked.
Yeah, Sure.
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As for a new topic, can we now discuss how "lame" (-Jov) it is to suicide and pull death cards because your shitting yourself as a result of a court case. Clearly avoiding rp opportunity! Or is this acceptable and the purest form of RP, please clarify, thank you.
I'm sorry, who's shitting himself as a result of a court case?
And why do you not reply on your personal account, yet you're using an official account of the FBI for arguing in a non official topic?
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This isn't very realistic portrayal of how the FBI would go about going undercover. Fix your shit.
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This isn't very realistic portrayal of how the FBI would go about going undercover. Fix your shit.
Want them quotes of argo leaders say argo is a game not made to be RLRP?
Also pretty sure if FBI infiltrates a group of certain nationality they wont send agents to speak some third way.
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Dude there is some serious stuff going on here. BTW I am Wilco Former LCFD.
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There's also quotes of Argo leaders advocating for realistic RP. Stop using quotes from five years ago to push your garbage, guy.
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I will probably be 80 by the time we can have a normal discussion without flaming and/or provoking each other on this forum :gand:
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I will probably be 80 by the time we can have a normal discussion without flaming and/or provoking each other on this forum :gand:
Some of us are sick and tired of bullshit. If you're gonna RP using micro cameras and microphones, I'm gonna roleplay having a RFD detector. Have a nice day.
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What stops your imagination then? Btw, there's a difference between actual RP and dick RP to only win.
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I really can't see the point of this topic. We still have veterans who do not speak English that good so what's the point of all this? In fact Argonath and online gaming helped me develop my grammar and english knowledge. Back when I joined I was one of those 'caps' people, short sentences, poor grammar. But it didn't stop me from joining the FBI or the admin team back in 2010, nor it did from doing undercover missions. Anyways, as easy it is for FBI to shift names and go undercover, it's the same for people who have cases on them.. Both sides can hide the same equally so I don't see why all that fuzz about this.
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Some of us are sick and tired of bullshit.
I agree, said that many times!
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Yes.
If to you someone speaking bad English implies it's a new player, then it's your problem. It's one thing what someone speaking bad English is to you and what he is in reality. None in FBI will impersonate a new player and waste someone's time by pretending to not know anything about the server. None in FBI will ask you to give them GPS, phone or money. It simply doesn't happen. If anyone does that he'll be fired. Being undercover means you're pretending to be someone else in order to execute a task, be it gather intelligence or evidence. And that must be done by not wasting someone's time and impersonating a new player by asking questions about commands while you know the answer and by making other people drive you around and show you things you already know about.
Why did yoj all of a sudden start lacking punctation once you were undercover? You do realise punctation is not roleplayed right?
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Simply said, as Argonath has no rules and boundaries in regards to metagame etc, it was used to adapt to the environment of Camorra family.
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Perhaps the FBI could act like FBI if mafia acted like mafia instead of a streetgang.
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Perhaps the FBI could act like FBI if mafia acted like mafia instead of a streetgang.
Minus and minus is not always plus. Just because Mafias are acting like trigger happy shooters in sport cars, doesn't really justify why FBI is claiming to represent a professional law enforcement agency with top quality federal investigation while in reality it is just a massive contradiction. To be honest, I am actually fucking disgusted with this FBI. Shame on you.
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If you think we're trying to impress criminals by acting like nice and making them easier to detect undercover agents then you're wrong.
doesn't really justify why FBI is claiming to represent a professional law enforcement agency with top quality federal investigation
We don't represent a professional law enforcement agency, we are a professional law enforcement agency with top quality federal investigations, massive amount of intelligence, assets and evidence from which many aren't in public just to not expose our assets and undercover agents. Thus why Abraham case wasn't made a week after it happened.
To be honest, I am actually fucking disgusted with this FBI. Shame on you.
Thanks, we are happy to be doing our job and pissing corrupt and reckless officers off.
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I am a member of a criminal group and I find this way of infiltrating into criminal groups justified.
What is the problem with this, for real? FBI members can change their names, RP different characters and speak English the way they want to speak it. It is one of their masks.
If you really fall for Amir Gambino and a few more guys, then you should question yourself about how did he end up in your family.
Did you ever ask yourself why no one succeeded to infiltrate into Gvardia? Any FBI agent would get bored to wait for more than 7 days, they're looking for easier prays such as groups which are hungry for quantity. Yes, I am still shocked how no one got into Luciano yet, we were always "Quantity over quality" :lol:
One of my tips for criminals: Test new members, make them kill an FBI agent/SAPD Officer. Make a great RP out of it, not only FBI hunt. That's the way I was enforcing back in RS4 when I was running Lombardi.
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Yes, I am still shocked how no one got into Luciano yet, we were always "Quantity over quality" :lol:
Don't be so sure about that :lol:
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Back in my day, people were dedicated and people would actually role play well, at least with me and a few others, then again them Freekops asking you to give them armor every 10 seconds did discourage me a bit.
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I am torn on this subject. From one point of view, the FBI are just acting as "noobs" with lazy English, which of course they are allowed to do. When you go undercover, you gotta go deep. From the other point of view, this being a text-based RPG game, it seems redundant to go down 15 levels and pretend one's stupid. FBI should use bad English, not lazy English. The difference? Not capitalising start of sentences and names, using 'u' instead of 'you', etc etc is lazy English. Bad English, on the other hand, would be legitimately misspelling words and building sentences slightly wrong, using wrong pronouns, your/you're, messing up plural and singular forms, etc, like a foreigner would.
It's a hard concept to grasp, but basically what I'm trying to convey is that FBI should write the way a foreigner would write, not write the way a lazy person would.
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Don't be so sure about that :lol:
Maybe I am undercover :lol:
@Comrade
What does that change at all?
Writing lazy English or bad English? Who even cares about it?
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Maybe I am undercover :lol:
@Comrade
What does that change at all?
Writing lazy English or bad English? Who even cares about it?
Because, and this is just my opinion, writing "bad English" on purpose requires skill in how languages work. If the FBI agent goes undercover as a Russian noob, the agent needs to have knowledge of how the Russian language is written (not necessarily know the language, just how subjects, verbs, plurals, etc interact with one another) and then purposefully write English in a way a typical Russian foreigner inexperienced in English would write. That is called acting.
Lazy English on the other hand is just typing in "internet language" and in my opinion abuses the fact that this is a text-based RPG.
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If you think we're trying to impress criminals by acting like nice and making them easier to detect undercover agents then you're wrong.
No, I do not expect you to "impress" criminals by acting nice and making them detect you earlier. If you knew better then you'd have looked over your options. I expect as much as you roleplaying properly instead of pretending to be a new player.
We don't represent a professional law enforcement agency, we are a professional law enforcement agency with top quality federal investigations, massive amount of intelligence, assets and evidence from which many aren't in public just to not expose our assets and undercover agents. Thus why Abraham case wasn't made a week after it happened.
Top quality is not going around "hey halp how do I grow wiiidz?". Neither does the terms "massive amount" of intelligence and assets go under that category either.
Thanks, we are happy to be doing our job and pissing corrupt and reckless officers off.
That is not the right mentality you got there. Especially for a Division Chief, I'd expect something better. This statement is as well a contradiction of your "massive amount" or intelligence and professionalism. If you believe I did something wrong, you are at opportunity and free to report me to the Internal Affairs of SAPD or directly address my superior officers such as Taseen, John, David, Lionel and Trane. You're free to do so. However, last time I checked I am actually following every SAPD procedure to the book and I am helping other officers to improve their quality of efficience on the field. So where you get this reckless and corrupt officer assumption from is beyond me.
What you're saying is that I am a corrupt and reckless officer with no proof whatsoever, and last time I checked, I have not received a disciplinary action since I rejoined SAPD, so that pretty much makes every officer of SAPD a reckless and corrupt employee? I do not think that is the right mindset you have if you're to lead a cooperation between SAPD and FBI. You should really re-evaluate your words, and you can apologize to me for calling me a reckless and corrupt officer without any proof.
Have a nice day.
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Damn that's unfortunate that we don't work by your expectations. Oh well. What someone expects and how it's done are two different things. I didn't expect you to do some things in past either but you've still done them. I don't think I was calling you out for it beside in this topic after you made a post yourself and initiated it.
Also, you talk about cooperation between SAPD and FBI? :hah: If it was up to you we'd still be shooting each other with combat shotgun just like in RS4.
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What someone expects and how it's done are two different things.
I completely agree. However, "hey how do i grow wiidz halp plzz" is not how it should be done. What can I back that up with? Oh yeah, right let me quote exactly what you said.
"we are a professional law enforcement agency with top quality federal investigations, massive amount of intelligence, assets and evidence(...)" <-- That is your contradiction.
I didn't expect you to do some things in past either but you've still done them. I don't think I was calling you out for it beside in this topic after you made a post yourself and initiated it.
Feel free to enlighten me. Just because I did something bad as a Senior Officer of SAPD doesn't automatically grant you access to do something bad for your agents in FBI does it? Minus and minus is usually plus, but not in this case. As I said, feel free to enlighten me.
Also, you talk about cooperation between SAPD and FBI? :hah: If it was up to you we'd still be shooting each other with combat shotgun just like in RS4.
Another assumption? Absolutely not, because if you probably didn't pay attention, then you'd probably see all my suggestions of reforming the suspect system, etc? That is because I want the server to lean on towards a more roleplay enviroment. I do not see the need for combat shotguns in such an environment, neither do I see your "halp how 2 grow wiidz"-proffessional investigation tactics as a need for that kind of an environment either.
E: Not to mention, weren't you just banned for taking suspects out with a hydra? So basically, what you're saying is "If it was up to you, we'd still use combats(which is a bad thing), but I will use my hydra to gain an unfair advantage due to my play-2-win attitude"?.
Try again.
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If someone pretends to not know English in order to fit into a certain environment it doesn't mean he's unprofessional. When an actor in a movie acts dumb (ie. most famous example Mr.Bean), does it mean he's actually dumb? No. Every single Agent that is not undercover represents FBI in a professional manner. We won't enforce them to be professional and speak proper English when they go undercover simply to allow them to fit in into the environment they are targeting. If one has to join a mexican gang, he has to use mexican slang and wording. It all depends on the target and the way the target acts.
Feel free to enlighten me. Just because I did something bad as a Senior Officer of SAPD doesn't automatically grant you access to do something bad for your agents in FBI does it?
Just the other day you got triggered by an officer who wouldn't listen to you and you went all off on him and your supervisors in LSPD. Thus why I also said
Also, you talk about cooperation between SAPD and FBI? :hah: If it was up to you we'd still be shooting each other with combat shotgun just like in RS4.
And...
you'd probably see all my suggestions of reforming the suspect system, etc? That is because I want the server to lean on towards a more roleplay enviroment. I do not see the need for combat shotguns in such an environment, neither do I see your "halp how 2 grow wiidz"-proffessional investigation tactics as a need for that kind of an environment either.
Let's ignore the suggestion part since it's all taken from THAT PLACE with few little tweaks, but "halp how 2 grow wiidz", go find an image or a chatlog where an undercover agent talks like that.
All I'm asking from those who claim undercover agents impersonate newbies by playing literally dumb, show me evidence of it happening. Get me chatlogs. I don't ask for roleplayed evidence. I'm asking for mere screenshot or chatlog where an undercover agent goes "how to grow weed" or "whats the command to grow weed" or "pls giv me free mony idk how to make".
It's one thing if someone uses bad English but doesn't impersonate new player as in acting as he doesn't know how the server works nor its commands and another thing when someone just uses bad English but doesn't waste someone's time asking questions about how the server works and asking people to show them things.
E: Not to mention, weren't you just banned for taking suspects out with a hydra? So basically, what you're saying is "If it was up to you, we'd still use combats(which is a bad thing), but I will use my hydra to gain an unfair advantage due to my play-2-win attitude"?.
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If someone pretends to not know English in order to fit into a certain environment it doesn't mean he's unprofessional.
If someone pretends not to know english, that's exactly what it means, being unprofessional. If someone roleplays not to know english, now that's something else.
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Roleplay:
the acting out or performance of a particular role
What's so much different from pretending to be someone and acting to be someone?
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BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTING LIKE FCKIN NUBS AND YOU IDIOTS ARE IGNORING IT!!! THE FCK THIS SERVER TURNED INTO A FCKIN DAYCARE????? GO FIND SOMEONE ELSE WHO YOU WILL FCK WITH!!
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BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTING LIKE FCKIN NUBS AND YOU IDIOTS ARE IGNORING IT!!! THE FCK THIS SERVER TURNED INTO A FCKIN DAYCARE????? GO FIND SOMEONE ELSE WHO YOU WILL FCK WITH!!
Oh man... It's turning into a dangerous environment for criminals, no need to be so pissed off.
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BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTING LIKE FCKIN NUBS AND YOU IDIOTS ARE IGNORING IT!!! THE FCK THIS SERVER TURNED INTO A FCKIN DAYCARE????? GO FIND SOMEONE ELSE WHO YOU WILL FCK WITH!!
I love how you are using caps lock but yet censor words like "fuck" and "noobs".
This is the internet, you are allowed to swear, typing in all caps looks stupid though.
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And people are seriously wondering why Argo lacks players and others are laughing at the server. :lol:
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If someone pretends to not know English in order to fit into a certain environment it doesn't mean he's unprofessional. When an actor in a movie acts dumb (ie. most famous example Mr.Bean), does it mean he's actually dumb? No. Every single Agent that is not undercover represents FBI in a professional manner. We won't enforce them to be professional and speak proper English when they go undercover simply to allow them to fit in into the environment they are targeting. If one has to join a mexican gang, he has to use mexican slang and wording.
Roleplay:
What's so much different from pretending to be someone and acting to be someone?
This is the difference:
Because, and this is just my opinion, writing "bad English" on purpose requires skill in how languages work. If the FBI agent goes undercover as a Russian noob, the agent needs to have knowledge of how the Russian language is written (not necessarily know the language, just how subjects, verbs, plurals, etc interact with one another) and then purposefully write English in a way a typical Russian foreigner inexperienced in English would write. That is called acting.
Lazy English on the other hand is just typing in "internet language" and in my opinion abuses the fact that this is a text-based RPG.
Right now the UC feds encountered are using "lazy English". Instead of simply being bad at English, they type in standard internet language (such as 'u' instead of 'you', etc) rather than roleplaying having bad English. This abuses the fact that we're in a text based game, as the difference of 'u' and 'you' only exists in written form, not in speech. You do not need to type like a 12 year old on Runescape for people to accept your English as bad, convince them you're a foreigner with your roleplay instead. That's the difference between professional and unprofessional. What's next, will your agents start typing in l33t5p35k?
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If they need to get evidence on Hevar then they'll write
l33t5p35k
type messages.
Otherwise no.
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Sorry but why is this being discussed? A guy goes UC. If criminals look for particular kind of people then the UC mission was successful