We know why this community "died" and we know we did everything we could to try and steer it off that path. You don't see those leaders around who drove the community to the ground, you see the ones who are trying to pick up the pieces and make the puzzle whole again.
I have. You didn't read the replies of your own topics and I won't repeat myself in your 33rd topic of the year or whatever.We know why this community "died" and we know we did everything we could to try and steer it off that path. You don't see those leaders around who drove the community to the ground, you see the ones who are trying to pick up the pieces and make the puzzle whole again.
Tell us specifically why the community died and what you personally and you as the collective whole leadership team have done.
~Long and convoluted self-jerk delusional text that gets reworked and reposted every couple months~(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/aF58StyFXLM/maxresdefault.jpg)
So what's your point with all this?Fixed it for you, Nathan.
IDK I just thought some more attention seeking is due again
I have. You didn't read the replies of your own topics and I won't repeat myself in your 33rd topic of the year or whatever.We know why this community "died" and we know we did everything we could to try and steer it off that path. You don't see those leaders around who drove the community to the ground, you see the ones who are trying to pick up the pieces and make the puzzle whole again.
Tell us specifically why the community died and what you personally and you as the collective whole leadership team have done.
Nothing will change if nothing changes. Specifically, if we keep rowing in the same direction, using the same pace, with the same five people, we cannot expect different results. We cannot expect to succeed by simply launching MTA:SA (again) or launching another V:MP server. Launching a new game server in a new game (III:MP) will not result in this community's revival.
Yes, I have answered all three questions. You just don't read any of the replies given. Go read my replies to you in previous topics, I will not repeat myself here again.I have. You didn't read the replies of your own topics and I won't repeat myself in your 33rd topic of the year or whatever.We know why this community "died" and we know we did everything we could to try and steer it off that path. You don't see those leaders around who drove the community to the ground, you see the ones who are trying to pick up the pieces and make the puzzle whole again.
Tell us specifically why the community died and what you personally and you as the collective whole leadership team have done.
You didn't answer these specific questions:
1. Why did the community die? Who is at fault? I would love to hear your point of view on this.
2. What have YOU done specifically to drive the community forward?
3. What has the leadership team done specifically to grow the community?
Yes, I have answered all three questions. You just don't read any of the replies given. Go read my replies to you in previous topics, I will not repeat myself here again.I have. You didn't read the replies of your own topics and I won't repeat myself in your 33rd topic of the year or whatever.We know why this community "died" and we know we did everything we could to try and steer it off that path. You don't see those leaders around who drove the community to the ground, you see the ones who are trying to pick up the pieces and make the puzzle whole again.
Tell us specifically why the community died and what you personally and you as the collective whole leadership team have done.
You didn't answer these specific questions:
1. Why did the community die? Who is at fault? I would love to hear your point of view on this.
2. What have YOU done specifically to drive the community forward?
3. What has the leadership team done specifically to grow the community?
If you can't be bother to answer three simple questions from the remaining player base, then you are not fit to lead.
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If you can't be bother to answer three simple questions from the remaining player base, then you are not fit to lead.Get a load of this guy.
One last time; I have answered those questions before in your own topics. I will not be repeating myself to you just because you refuse to read replies to you.
I will not reply again to the same bullshit you're spewing out.
Argonath isn't dead though. I'm playing it almost daily. This whole topic is a lie !Nah It is stop be hypocrisy boi!
Then you’re repeating exactly the same mistakes that resulted in why AB failed, why Argonath got started, and why it’s died. If you can’t be bothered to respond to one of your own users, you’ve lost your community that you’re trying to “build” and “revive”.(https://wompampsupport.azureedge.net/fetchimage?siteId=7575&v=2&jpgQuality=100&width=700&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Fnewsfeed%2F002%2F322%2F154%2F667.jpg)
Do better.
One last time; I have answered those questions before in your own topics. I will not be repeating myself to you just because you refuse to read replies to you.
I will not reply again to the same bullshit you're spewing out.
Then you’re repeating exactly the same mistakes that resulted in why AB failed, why Argonath got started, and why it’s died. If you can’t be bothered to respond to one of your own users, you’ve lost your community that you’re trying to “build” and “revive”.
Do better.
*rambling*
VC:MP has seen ridiculous amount of activity since August. And you know why? Because I took some responsibility and decided to do something about it instead.
But why does it require YOU specifically to take responsibility and do all this heavy work instead of the leadership? Do you get my point? Why do we have leaders who refuse to take actions, refuse to listen to the player base, refuse to take initiative and lead and instead EXPECT that the players do the heavy lifting for them?
Do you get my point? Why do we have leaders who refuse to take actions, refuse to listen to the player base, refuse to take initiative and lead and instead EXPECT that the players do the heavy lifting for them?Excuse me? Why are you talking about me when you have zero fucking idea what I've done or am doing? Since you've decided to judge me though, I'll make my judgement on you. I've never met you in the game before, but going solely on your posts on the forum you're a fucking fringe mate. You need to stop generalising the community as to whatever you think it is, because guess what you're wrong you total mong. We're leading just fine, and the community is happy. Maybe Huntsman was right about you and you've got your head so far up your arsehole and can't see what's in front of you. You love seeing activity, yet you choose to continue spreading fake news by saying Argonath is dead? Do us all a favour and do something productive instead of chatting absolute bullocks on the forums. Get involved or just jog on. You're nothing but a downer and these topics just spread negativity and nothing else. Take a look at the replies, no one agrees with the nonsensical garbage you continue to post. I don't know who you think you're appeasing but please, go find them and spam their forum instead? You're more than welcome to join us in the game Nathan, but I'd bet that you're probably all talk and no walk. Absolute prat.
(https://i.ibb.co/s5k54kY/vcmp.jpg)Argonath isn't dead though. I'm playing it almost daily. This whole topic is a lie !Nah It is stop be hypocrisy boi!
:war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war:Do you get my point? Why do we have leaders who refuse to take actions, refuse to listen to the player base, refuse to take initiative and lead and instead EXPECT that the players do the heavy lifting for them?Excuse me? Why are you talking about me when you have zero fucking idea what I've done or am doing? Since you've decided to judge me though, I'll make my judgement on you. I've never met you in the game before, but going solely on your posts on the forum you're a fucking fringe mate. You need to stop generalising the community as to whatever you think it is, because guess what you're wrong you total mong. We're leading just fine, and the community is happy. Maybe Huntsman was right about you and you've got your head so far up your arsehole and can't see what's in front of you. You love seeing activity, yet you choose to continue spreading fake news by saying Argonath is dead? Do us all a favour and do something productive instead of chatting absolute bullocks on the forums. Get involved or just jog on. You're nothing but a downer and these topics just spread negativity and nothing else. Take a look at the replies, no one agrees with the nonsensical garbage you continue to post. I don't know who you think you're appeasing but please, go find them and spam their forum instead? You're more than welcome to join us in the game Nathan, but I'd bet that you're probably all talk and no walk. Absolute prat.
Is Janich, Janich Corleone?(https://i.ibb.co/s5k54kY/vcmp.jpg)Argonath isn't dead though. I'm playing it almost daily. This whole topic is a lie !Nah It is stop be hypocrisy boi!
Welcome back, Brian. Tip of the day, don't jump to conclusions after being inactive for 2/3 years.
But why does it require YOU specifically to take responsibility and do all this heavy work instead of the leadership? Do you get my point? Why do we have leaders who refuse to take actions, refuse to listen to the player base, refuse to take initiative and lead and instead EXPECT that the players do the heavy lifting for them?
I don't lead this community, you do. A bunch of rambling about me and how I'm unfit to lead and how much of cancer I am to the community, yet the focus isn't on me but why the community has died.
Answer the questions:
1. Why did the community die? Who is at fault? I would love to hear your point of view on this.
2. What have YOU done specifically to drive the community forward?
3. What has the leadership team done specifically to grow the community?
Thanks bro, I was saying my opnion when i joined lately and there were no body online :P(https://i.ibb.co/s5k54kY/vcmp.jpg)Argonath isn't dead though. I'm playing it almost daily. This whole topic is a lie !Nah It is stop be hypocrisy boi!
Welcome back, Brian. Tip of the day, don't jump to conclusions after being inactive for 2/3 years.
ARGONATH RPG ONLY ROLEPLAYED ITS DEATH ONCEFixed it for you, Dani. ;)
ARGONATH RPG ONLY ROLEPLAYED ITS DEATH ONCEYAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Welcome back, Brian. Tip of the day, don't jump to conclusions after being inactive for 2/3 years.
Is Janich, Janich Corleone?
Not sure if I'm stating the obvious, but toxicity has always been one of the reasons for the decline of Argonath.
That's your own view, but toxicity since 2018 has been the cause of many leaving as well, I'm mainly referring to Argo SA:MP, but that's my point too. Instead of people fighting each other, bashing one and another, if they would've worked together(like VC:MP team did), they would've brought the server back working together. Minor inconveniences happen, but toxicity like this would just drive one more of us out. Nathan is obviously frustrated, but if we all could work, in general to bring entire Argonath back, we could just make it.Not sure if I'm stating the obvious, but toxicity has always been one of the reasons for the decline of Argonath.
Sorry I disagree with this. Ever since I joined VCMP in 2011, there has been toxicity in the community. People have come and gone due to it, but it has improved a lot of things too. We've always had good leadership which made sure we all knew how far we could go and plenty got punished when a line was crossed.
People need to stop being selfish and start thinking about the bigger picture, which is the wellbeing of the very thing they care about!
Having said that, I can definitely say that the VCMP section of Argonath is very much alive because of everything that has been done by everyone involved over here! :)
A world of it's own!
P.S; There's over 80 guests online, and 2 users on forums, how will we bring Argo back when we aren't even able to attract those 80 guests on forums right now? They see us fighting, and find it pointless to even join a once great community.
why do you all make my word mean nothing :/, what i'm just trying to say is even if that's bots or not, you don't know. I usually come on forums as a guest, how would a newbie feel by coming on forums and probably will be like "this is the way these people act like, it's a dead community and they're still busy fighting amongst themselves, let's go from here". if u wanna attract new players, whether SAMP, MTA, whatever, let's quit fighting and just bring about good suggestions from healthy discussions manP.S; There's over 80 guests online, and 2 users on forums, how will we bring Argo back when we aren't even able to attract those 80 guests on forums right now? They see us fighting, and find it pointless to even join a once great community.
Most of those 80 are probably bots.
why do you all make my word mean nothing :/, what i'm just trying to say is even if that's bots or not, you don't know. I usually come on forums as a guest, how would a newbie feel by coming on forums and probably will be like "this is the way these people act like, it's a dead community and they're still busy fighting amongst themselves, let's go from here". if u wanna attract new players, whether SAMP, MTA, whatever, let's quit fighting and just bring about good suggestions from healthy discussions manP.S; There's over 80 guests online, and 2 users on forums, how will we bring Argo back when we aren't even able to attract those 80 guests on forums right now? They see us fighting, and find it pointless to even join a once great community.
Most of those 80 are probably bots.
saying how great of an idea to focus on VCMP is. Didn't someone once say that you can't expect the server to be up or anything of the sort by having a small community within the community? Isn't this what SAMP did for a time in the community aspect? Which is also going on with VCMP right now? It seems to me that our community has turned into a nomadic group just changing their place of residence every once in a while - it's the same faces.
Janicch actually played VC:MP before he played SA:MP way back when I believe :rolleyes:
It's rather interesting seeing players who once mentioned how centralizing the community is bad(All of you Carson haters, I'm looking at you) saying how great of an idea to focus on VCMP is.Kris, what are you talking about? Who is telling people to focus on VC:MP? Why not just play where you want to play and be happy? You can't force someone to do what they don't want to do, but there isn't any such restriction. Players are free to play where they want. I know the SA server is under construction right now, but give it time and where possible help out. I've seen some people here who keep asking people on the forum to play VC:MP but they're just suggesting that from what I can see, why is that anything to do with centralizing or focusing the community? Maybe these comments were directed to someone in particular but it's not making sense.
Which is also going on with VCMP right now? It seems to me that our community has turned into a nomadic group just changing their place of residence every once in a while - it's the same faces.
there's a serious lack of new players, which in a way makes Argonath a "dying community".
without new people coming to replace them, any community is destined to die off.I'm only bothering replying to these ridiculous statements because you decided to talk about VC:MP. If you're not referring to the VC:MP server then you should make that more apparent but anyway here's a news flash for you, the client nor server is dying. The "community" is very much alive, you'd only need to join the server or discord channel to see that. The amount of new registrations a day is on par if not more than previous years going back to this false idea that the years of 2009 or whatnot was the 'best ever'. No, not really, those years weren't anything more special than now, it must be nostalgia rather than actual facts for someone to think the server was better in 2009 than it is currently. If you want data on the actual client itself, then Thijn (https://imgur.com/Q1i3BFx) has plenty to prove that it's no different to years gone by.
is this attitude toward Nathan really the way? The man comes forward pointing at problems, you point a finger at him and start with personal attacks.I'm not the one who started to make it personal, calling out every leader as being some useless twat as if we don't give a shit about the community. If someone wants to start pointing their finger at me, then fine, but I'll give them an answer they deserve. I have seen enough from Nathan to see he has zero idea what he's talking about and therefore needs to be told exactly that. If he's got a problem with that then he can grow a pair or just go do one. No one is complaining, in fact most people would rather he stop posting altogether from what I can see.
It's rather interesting seeing players who once mentioned how centralizing the community is bad(All of you Carson haters, I'm looking at you) saying how great of an idea to focus on VCMP is.Kris, what are you talking about? Who is telling people to focus on VC:MP? Why not just play where you want to play and be happy? You can't force someone to do what they don't want to do, but there isn't any such restriction. Players are free to play where they want. I know the SA server is under construction right now, but give it time and where possible help out. I've seen some people here who keep asking people on the forum to play VC:MP but they're just suggesting that from what I can see, why is that anything to do with centralizing or focusing the community? Maybe these comments were directed to someone in particular but it's not making sense.
I'm only bothering replying to these ridiculous statements because you decided to talk about VC:MP. If you're not referring to the VC:MP server then you should make that more apparent but anyway here's a news flash for you, the client nor server is dying.
The "community" is very much alive, you'd only need to join the server or discord channel to see that. The amount of new registrations a day is on par if not more than previous years going back to this false idea that the years of 2009 or whatnot was the 'best ever
Sure, we may have an X amount of people registering IG, on forums or anywhere, but lets not lie to eachother - there's a serious lack of new players, which in a way makes Argonath a "dying community".
As for the attitude toward Nathan, once again - I understand where it's coming from, but it's seriously the same thing going over and over again for years. Sure, both sides have a personal issue with eachother it seems like that leads to people automatically assuming his points are not valid. Let's just remember that even a broken clock is right twice a day or something among these lines.
There is a lot of fingering pointing that the PLAYERS are the ones who need to grow the community but that's a stupid response. You can't blame your players when you (leadership) yourself are not putting in the effort to fix underlying issues. Change starts with the leadership first and then trickles down the players. We (players) want to mirror leadership but it's hard to use them as an example now when they're not being good examples.What are the underlying issues? - without pointing any finger towards anyone
Kessu doesn't want to answer these questions. He said he has answer them but in reality, he hasn't addressed these questions directly:
1. Why did the community die? Who is at fault?
2. What have YOU done specifically to drive the community forward?
3. What has the leadership team done specifically to grow the community?
There is a lot of fingering pointing that the PLAYERS are the ones who need to grow the community but that's a stupid response. You can't blame your players when you (leadership) yourself are not putting in the effort to fix underlying issues. Change starts with the leadership first and then trickles down the players. We (players) want to mirror leadership but it's hard to use them as an example now when they're not being good examples.
There is a lot of fingering pointing that the PLAYERS are the ones who need to grow the community but that's a stupid response. You can't blame your players when you (leadership) yourself are not putting in the effort to fix underlying issues. Change starts with the leadership first and then trickles down the players. We (players) want to mirror leadership but it's hard to use them as an example now when they're not being good examples.What are the underlying issues? - without pointing any finger towards anyone
Literally all points made have been addressed by yours truly in your previous topics :hah:
No Nathan, what you do isn't criticism.
It's a fucking depressed tantrum from a kid who obviously has issues and takes it out here.
Everybody's sick and tired of your shit. This very "dead" community you are referring to doesn't really want you around anymore.
Literally all points made have been addressed by yours truly in your previous topics :hah:
I literally went through all your replies and you did not address any of these points in details. I don't understand why it's so hard for you to answer three simple, basic questions.
Name me one country or shoot, even one community where there isn't a final decision maker. Instead we have a group of (mostly inactive) decision makers. You know what happens when there is too many cooks in a kitchen, nothing ever gets done.
- Lack of accountability - I understand this is a volunteer position but you (decision makers and those who are working on projects) should still be accountable for providing at least some results or get out of the way to someone who will deliver consistent results. Just pushing things on without an idea of an end date in sight means things will never be complete. We're just all going to be sitting here, watching "updates" happen about bullshit features like object placement (lol didn't ARA have this for years now) taking months to complete.
Badandy will come up with some excuse on why he can't finish up MTA SA and therefore all this hype will be for nothing. All the projects will be 80% complete but never released. No new players will join the community which means no more growth, just constant user number decay down to zero.
Kessu is anybody enormously plus yet a calculate simulation their each other beside a dead server. Nathan will unfasten those so yet pop him beyond somebody? Don't make me laugh
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Kessu is anybody enormously plus yet a calculate simulation their each other beside a dead server. Nathan will unfasten those so yet pop him beyond somebody? Don't make me laughwhat
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Kessu is anybody enormously plus yet a calculate simulation their each other beside a dead server. Nathan will unfasten those so yet pop him beyond somebody? Don't make me laughyes
(https://i.imgur.com/eNGGsOm.png)
Kessu is anybody enormously plus yet a calculate simulation their each other beside a dead server. Nathan will unfasten those so yet pop him beyond somebody? Don't make me laughwhat
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Argonath is dead.
we're surviving
the community will be even more dead thanIs this what bipolar disorder looks like? :(
- Lack of overall vision. Why are we doing what we are doing, and how are we getting there? What does the future of Argonath look like?Why should anybody care about your opinions and distorted views?
- Lack of growth - we have zero new players, we're surviving off nostalgia and old people coming back from early days instead of attracting new players
- Lack of a true one leader who sets the tone and pace for the entire community. Name me one country or shoot, even one community where there isn't a final decision maker. Instead we have a group of (mostly inactive) decision makers. You know what happens when there is too many cooks in a kitchen, nothing ever gets done.
- Lack of accountability - I understand this is a volunteer position but you (decision makers and those who are working on projects) should still be accountable for providing at least some results or get out of the way to someone who will deliver consistent results. Just pushing things on without an idea of an end date in sight means things will never be complete. We're just all going to be sitting here, watching "updates" happen about bullshit features like object placement (lol didn't ARA have this for years now) taking months to complete.
My prediction on what will happen in the future:(https://i.imgur.com/GZyYgz8.jpg)
A lot of fruitless discussions,All of them started by you?
no true progress.List of your contributions to this community:
Nothing will change if nothing changes.(https://i.imgur.com/1bAa6KD.jpg)
I must be a masochist to enjoy making a server in Argonath while people like you insult me. I don't care if you say shit about GTA SA but when you start talking shit on me, that's a problem. I could invest my skillset and knowledge somewhere else but I'm here making a server for others to enjoy. So the only excuse I will have for not completing this server will be found in my obituary.Just don't forget about the deadline, slave. 48 days left 😂😂😂
Kessu is anybody enormously plus yet a calculate simulation their each other beside a dead server. Nathan will unfasten those so yet pop him beyond somebody? Don't make me laugh#goals
(https://i.imgur.com/eNGGsOm.png)
Kessu is anybody enormously plus yet a calculate simulation their each other beside a dead server. Nathan will unfasten those so yet pop him beyond somebody? Don't make me laughwhat
(https://i.imgur.com/eNGGsOm.png)
Kessu is anybody enormously plus yet a calculate simulation their each other beside a dead server. Nathan will unfasten those so yet pop him beyond somebody? Don't make me laughwhat
(https://i.imgur.com/eNGGsOm.png)
Kessu is anybody enormously plus yet a calculate simulation their each other beside a dead server. Nathan will unfasten those so yet pop him beyond somebody? Don't make me laughI had a stroke reading this
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If I had 25c for every time this thread was posted I would have enough money to retire.
There are so many people who essentially grew up in Argonath. I played the shit out of SAMP when I was a kid - teen. It's crazy to think I'm approaching 14 years of playing here. That's MORE than the half of my life! Now I am a grown ass man with two jobs and I am stil here. Go figure.
We'll always stumble back to Argonath one way or another, either visit the forums, or play, or remember Argonath in one way or another.
I don't think it's ever possible for Argonath to completely die until either the people that played it die off, or the owners terminate it.
There are so many people who essentially grew up in Argonath. I played the shit out of SAMP when I was a kid - teen. It's crazy to think I'm approaching 14 years of playing here. That's MORE than the half of my life! Now I am a grown ass man with two jobs and I am stil here. Go figure.
We'll always stumble back to Argonath one way or another, either visit the forums, or play, or remember Argonath in one way or another.
But at this time, it's far from dead. VCMP is having most activity it ever saw right now and I am sure MTA:SA will reignite interest into the SA side of things. Plus, given lack of quality light RP servers there, I am sure we will gain a new community there.
Just stopping by to say henlo :D
Ah well, I guess everything has to come to an end sometime, right? We can point fingers like we want but the sad truth is that reality caught up with Argonath.
Has Gandalf / Aragorn published their 'grand idea' yet? :lol:
Just stopping by to say henlo :D
Ah well, I guess everything has to come to an end sometime, right? We can point fingers like we want but the sad truth is that reality caught up with Argonath.
Has Gandalf / Aragorn published their 'grand idea' yet? :lol:
THE NEW ERA OF argonath, THE COMEBACK THAT OWNERS PLANNED YEARS YEARS AGO..... THE TIME HAS COME......... DELETING ALL THE SERVERS 2023 COMMING SOON.
kongraxhulejshens on the biggest fail on samp era :hah:
> Come back to shitty forum once in a while and it Is just filled with "The community is dead" posts every single time.
Literal clown show
> Come back to shitty forum once in a while and it Is just filled with "The community is dead" posts every single time.
Literal clown show
Is My vcmp account still aliveMost likely. Accounts don't get deleted due to old age.
Is there way to get my account details someway? i have no clue what my login / password was thereIs My vcmp account still aliveMost likely. Accounts don't get deleted due to old age.
You need to go through Kessu to retrieve these details. As much info on the account you have, the better.Is there way to get my account details someway? i have no clue what my login / password was thereIs My vcmp account still aliveMost likely. Accounts don't get deleted due to old age.