**Rules on Argonath SA-MP RPG**
The rules or Argonath RPG are simple. All players are expected to do role-play. Deathmatching is strictly forbidden and will be punished by kick or ban.
For each skin there is a basic role, but players are free to use their imagination.
The idea is that we all live in a corrupt country, with a lot of criminals. However that does not mean that civilians are allowed to use their weapons at any time. If they are shot at, do what would happen in real life: panic and run. Only cops are allowed to shoot back , but even for cops there are limits.
- NO CHEATS, NO MODS, NO HACKS;
- NO HELIKILLING, NO CARKILLING, NO RAMMING, NO CARJACKING;
- NO GLITCHES, that give you advantage over other players (attacking from glitched areas);
- NO PAUSING WHEN COMBAT, WANTED;- NO REVENGE KILLING;
- NO FLOOD THE CHAT WINDOW;
- NO SPAM (advertisment of other servers and sites, that do not belong to Argonath RPG server is NOT allowed);
- NO FLAME/INSULT players. If you came to play on our server - respect it and our players;
- NO ATTACKING WITHOUT A PROPER REASON;
- NO ESCAPING WHEN SURRENDERED (follow cops to the police department);
- FOR ONE CHASE CRIMINAL CAN CHANGE ONLY 5 CARS. Fight or surrender;
- POLICE VEHICLES ARE ONLY FOR POLICE DEPARTMENTS;
- MILITARY VEHICLES ARE ONLY FOR ARGONATH ARMY TEAM;
- NO MONEY CHEATING (punishment: permban);
- IMPOSTERS ARE NOT ALLOWED (no any copying other players' nicks or regular clans' tags);
- SLANG IS ALLOWED ONLY AS A PART OF ROLEPLAY (swearing as personal attack on players will be punished);
- NICKS WITH THE UNREADABLE LETTERS ARE NOT ALLOWED (Please refrain from using <>?/|\{}[]()-=+/*- due to the server's RPG script commands)
Does the '- FOR ONE CHASE CRIMINAL CAN CHANGE ONLY 5 CARS. Fight or surrender;' still count?I thought they removed that rule after cop cars can be sprayed.
FOR ONE CHASE CRIMINAL CAN CHANGE ONLY 5 CARS. Fight or surrender;This is curently diabeled
Because of the possibility to surf the car, shooting while surfing the car would allow for a mass-driveby and/or better aiming as a usual driveby. This goes beyond the limits of ths singple layer game, and can be used for DM.
There for with the introduction of SA:MP 0.3 the shooting while surfing any vehicle is counted as DM.
Legolas - I think a review of the rules should be done like in ideas. Make everything clearer - eg; Whos the official Army Team now ? there's a court case over it.Good luck with the court case. There is currently no official army.
Good luck with the court case. There is currently no official army.its not me who is doing it
when you drivebyd me today as a driver .same as me and my friends...
DRIVE BY SHOOTING
Only passengers may perform drive by shootings, drivers of vehicles are forbidden from doing it.
Soooo.
Is Driveby as Driver ALLOWED !?
No it is NOT.
Soooo.The driveby rule falls under Glitching. There for it is not allowed, as the driver of a vehicle when using driveby gets an auto-aiming and can not be hurt due to a special action.
Is Driveby as Driver ALLOWED !?
The driveby rule falls under Glitching. There for it is not allowed, as the driver of a vehicle when using driveby gets an auto-aiming and can not be hurt due to a special action.
For cops on a motorcycle it is allowed (as Agent is doing in the picture) as otherwise they have no way of stopping a suspect by force. As a motorcycle it not easy to handle while shooting, the effect of the glitch is neutralized.
The general rules cover every situation, however it requires the player to use his brains. The more specific rules we will make. the more players will wave them to get advantage over others.
For this reason the rules will remain simple and general. If you wish to explore the limits, you will find them by admin punishment.
For cops on a motorcycle it is allowed
For cops on a motorcycle it is allowed (as Agent is doing in the picture) as otherwise they have no way of stopping a suspect by force. As a motorcycle it not easy to handle while shooting, the effect of the glitch is neutralized.Shooting from a motorcycle to kill the person is much easier, or blow up car with suspects... there is the positive side...
So how come this exemption of the no drive-by as driver rule has not been made for civilians and suspects? Surely if they can drive-by as passenger they should be allowed to shoot as driver if the glitch you mentioned has been cancelled out by the apparent fact that it is harder to shoot and drive the bike at the same time?Because susects are not supposed to run around shooting at everything.
Because susects are not supposed to run around shooting at everything.I said civilians and suspects. How is a civilian or suspect who is (perhaps in the middle of a hitman contract) chasing someone in a bike on their own, just like this hypothetical cop you mentioned in your post supposed to stop the person they are chasing. I believe it is possible for a cop to stop a suspect in a car without drive-bying them - this can be achieved in various ways, such as:
However cops are supposed to do their best effort to stop wanted suspects and there is no other way a single cop on a bike can stop a suspect in a car.
Yeah... thanks. Now people think im idiot... people... you also think same. Gready/wanabe monsters.
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Yeah... thanks. Now people think im idiot... people... you also think same. Gready/wanabe monsters.You're cool.. :gun: I remember your ban reasons in mid 2008 :D.
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Cool, cops will be able to spawn rocket launchers and miniguns soon, while criminals will be limited to 9mm's and bats probably.If you say so..
Yeah... thanks. Now people think im idiot... people... you also think same. Gready/wanabe monsters.What do you mean legolas? Why? :conf:
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Cool, cops will be able to spawn rocket launchers and miniguns soon, while criminals will be limited to 9mm's and bats probably.
They are all the time in Developers/Rules section ;) This is just reminder to these who made own extra ones.Reminds me of when I almost got banned for a non-existent rule.
I said civilians and suspects. How is a civilian or suspect who is (perhaps in the middle of a hitman contract) chasing someone in a bike on their own, just like this hypothetical cop you mentioned in your post supposed to stop the person they are chasing. I believe it is possible for a cop to stop a suspect in a car without drive-bying them - this can be achieved in various ways, such as:When you see me and Violet agreeing on an issue, that means its definitely the ultimate logic.
- Trying to convince the suspect to stop the car via using the megaphones on the bikes.
- Forcing the suspect in the car to blow up their car by good driving like forcing the driver to hit the walls a few times or making the suspect's car flip by making the suspect mess up a jump or drive poorly in a hilly area.
- Forcing the suspect to drown the car by careful tail-gating.
- Waiting for the driver to stop at a place such as an ammunation and attacking then, without the drive-bying.
- Requesting a Hydra or a Hunter to take out the suspect's car on their cop radio.
I really don't think it's on for cops to be allowed to drive-by as driver in a bike, although your idea of the balancing act in determining what can be allowed and what can not is very thoughtful by weighing up if a glitch's advantages can be eliminated by other factors. I just don't think that it will work in practice. Yes, rules should be flexible as you mentioned but do you not think that the fact there's now a rule where cops can drive-by as drive-by on bikes however not on cars but can drive-by as passenger whilst on both bikes and in cars yet civilians and suspects not being allowed to drive-by as driver in either bikes or cars despite being able to drive-by as passengers in both bikes and cars is slightly contradictory?
Yeah... thanks. Now people think im idiot... people... you also think same. Gready/wanabe monsters.Does people who would even consider you with such words, should not be allowed to use internet, not to mention be part of our community.
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The driveby rule falls under Glitching. There for it is not allowed.
For cops on a motorcycle it is allowed (as Agent is doing in the picture) as otherwise they have no way of stopping a suspect by force. As a motorcycle it not easy to handle while shooting, the effect of the glitch is neutralized.
Cool, cops will be able to spawn rocket launchers and miniguns soon, while criminals will be limited to 9mm's and bats probably.
I see you don't like it. I know how to make you feel better. Leave and find another server. See kids, this is just a prime example of typical moaning that does more harm than good. This is the type of cancer that is killing Argonath. Moaning just makes more and more developers leave. Once all developers leave, you shall have nothing to moan about.... because you will have nothing.
Become a optimist, not a moaner.
And just a footnote, I know for a fact people will start moaning at me for taking my precious time to type this up. Go ahead, but this is all I have to say, and all you need to know.
b] This is the type of cancer that is killing Argonath.[/b]Why does it hurt you so bad if he's lost his patient with all the injustice he feels, he's getting?
SHUT THE f**k UP AND PLAY BY THE RULES, THE RULES ARE ALREADY WRITTEN SO STOP MOANING.says cop...
says cop...
This is curently diabeledYAY! :D
For cops on a motorcycle it is allowed (as Agent is doing in the picture) as otherwise they have no way of stopping a suspect by force. As a motorcycle it not easy to handle while shooting, the effect of the glitch is neutralized.
The general rules cover every situation, however it requires the player to use his brains. The more specific rules we will make. the more players will wave them to get advantage over others.
This is role-play, where different roles have different goals and advantages.
You guys drove Legolas, one of the most patient, friendly guys in the server, to his breaking point and he has said good bye?
I can't believe that anyone in their right mind would argue with a server owner, while he was the one who created the server and nourished it from day one...You spit it back at him by moaning and complaining and targeting people and being all 'round children...Seriously shameful...I hope this is a wake up call to you guys.
I see some people do not belong in this community...
I said civilians and suspects. How is a civilian or suspect who is (perhaps in the middle of a hitman contract) chasing someone in a bike on their own, just like this hypothetical cop you mentioned in your post supposed to stop the person they are chasing. I believe it is possible for a cop to stop a suspect in a car without drive-bying them - this can be achieved in various ways, such as:Not at all.
- Trying to convince the suspect to stop the car via using the megaphones on the bikes.
- Forcing the suspect in the car to blow up their car by good driving like forcing the driver to hit the walls a few times or making the suspect's car flip by making the suspect mess up a jump or drive poorly in a hilly area.
- Forcing the suspect to drown the car by careful tail-gating.
- Waiting for the driver to stop at a place such as an ammunation and attacking then, without the drive-bying.
- Requesting a Hydra or a Hunter to take out the suspect's car on their cop radio.
I really don't think it's on for cops to be allowed to drive-by as driver in a bike, although your idea of the balancing act in determining what can be allowed and what can not is very thoughtful by weighing up if a glitch's advantages can be eliminated by other factors. I just don't think that it will work in practice. Yes, rules should be flexible as you mentioned but do you not think that the fact there's now a rule where cops can drive-by as drive-by on bikes however not on cars but can drive-by as passenger whilst on both bikes and in cars yet civilians and suspects not being allowed to drive-by as driver in either bikes or cars despite being able to drive-by as passengers in both bikes and cars is slightly contradictory?
When you see me and Violet agreeing on an issue, that means its definitely the ultimate logic.The logic is extremely one-sided in relation to this. If suspects do not wish to fight or run, the cop has no reason to use the driveby.
With common seance, if cops or other law force members, are allowed to drive-by as drivers on bikes, then all others(Criminals, and civilians) should be able the same.
Violet already mention the hitman example, what if a suspect is being shot by a cop on bike who's going driectly toward him (Which is likely to happen with this rule), and just using auto-aim glitch to get an magnificent advantage?
You say that criminals should not suppose to use it , cause its not their part to go around shooting people, but the same can apply on cops, so if they can use it ( by this they can also abuse it), so should cirminals/citizens be allowed to, if they abuse it, it ends up in punishment, in the same way as cops would get.
Half of ARPD is using auto-aim already (Check most of SASD SACS videos on youtube) , this is just too much.
So why can't criminals on a motorbike, while chasing someone, use driver DB?Because criminals should not chase.
Or is it ANOTHER Cop/Criminal inequality?
Because criminals should not chase.What if a hitman is chasing his victim?
What if a hitman is chasing his victim?See my post to Violet.
A hitman is not supposed to work as Nigga-Rambo, but to use skills in order to kill without getting in trouble.On the lighter side of things, this part of your post, is absolutely hilarious..just saying.
- Forcing: bike against car is no match.
A hitman is not supposed to work as Nigga-Rambo
Because criminals should not chase.
The criminal segment of Argonath represents a diverse portfolio of players ranging from different backgrounds with contrasting approaches and unique models. Through the growing commitment towards the diversification of the criminal society, it has been provisionally agreed that it is now feasible for the construction of a criminal body to represent official criminal groups of Argonath.
The commission (criminal body of Argonath) will represent all criminal groups and act as a 'one voice' for criminals to voice their views, concerns and queries to. The commission will be primarily responsible for overseeing the official groups of Argonath - its role will include: voting new official groups in, voting out existing ones and agreeing on rules which will be enforced in the official groups. The hierachical positioning of the comission will align with the SAPD command. The commission will be limited to five leaders (official group leaders) along with non-executives managers and leaders playing consultation roles. Decisions will be made based on majority voting where all appointees will be expected to participate in professionally.
The official criminal groups of Argonath will be controlled and monitored by the commission based on a variety of factors which include: achieving excellence, communication, working together, understanding issues and finding solutions together. The objective of the official criminal groups of Argonath is to add another tier to the structural hierarchy. The groups should be admired, celebrated and highlighted as the benchmark and rolemodels of criminal activity throughout Argonath. They should serve as entity that developing players aim of achieving in their Argonath career.
Hierachy of structure for criminals
1. Commission (criminal body of Argonath) - Direction, influence, support, development, benchmark and rolemodels.
2. Official criminal groups - Supporting comission values, adhering to regulations and supporting non-official groups.
3. Non official groups - Working in aspiration of achieving official recognition.
Through the trust that is expected to be ascertained, we expect to release a number of restricted weapons such as rocket launchers, chainsaws, firebombs, grenades and satchels to the official groups based on their commitment and adherence to the following enforcements:
- Stringent rule abiding enforced throughout the group
- This includes moaning to be forbidden in /p.
- Script adherence in protocol with existing rules.
- Compliance with all commission regulations.
- Aligning with a positive and constructive atmosphere.
New and regular player commitment
- Open, transparent, friendly, approachable and helpful.
- Committing to their development regardless of impact on you.
- Nurturing in line with Argonath vision.
Cohesion
- Working together with admins on issues/concerns/queries.
- Working together with other official group members on issues
- Working together with SAPD command on concerns/queries
- Establishing a friendly and common vision for the future
- Sportsmanship (An attitude for fair play, courtesy toward opponents, ethical behaviour, integrity and grace in losing.)
The commission and official criminal groups will be determined on a number of factors which include: rule abiding, new player commitment, working together with others, friendliness, conduct and general communication attitude (/cb, /pm and /p). Whilst contrary to belief, it will not depend on the traditional heritage in Argonath whilst it may be taken into account.
The proposition above is preliminary and subject to change without notice.
Please contribute to whether you support and in addition how it may be improved.
Now cops will take a bike and go driveby some orange dudes :ram:
Because susects are not supposed to run around shooting at everything.
there is no other way a single cop on a bike can stop a suspect in a car.
As for Pro-cop, yeh we are next week allowing all cops to use the hydra, hunter, rhino and rocket launchers. Criminals and citizens will be limited to colts.Don't forget giving them permission to hack!
So wait, a mafia member chasing another mafia member (for example) may not break the driver driveby rule, but a cop chasing a suspect may?People seem to act as if it is anew rule. On the contrary this rule has existed since SA:MP 0.1b and is not going to change no makker how much criminals whine about it.
I try to never say it outright, since nobody likes people who say what everyone is thinking, but I must ask - why are the server owners so clearly pro-cop?
That is incorrect. You can lag ram cars quite easily in bikes.
What about when there is single bikecop and a single criminal in a car( situation where I find myself several times). Now how can a criminal defend himself/herself when a bikercop is shooting his/her car?By stopping the car and shooting ?
Example: Gvardia vs Diablos. Gvardia kills all Diablos, except Pablo, who is in a BMX jumping like a bunny.If he is suspected, he has no business driving the BMX. If not, you can use a car to stop him.. can;t get him ? then you know why suspects are not allowed to use them.
Criminals shouldn't chase ? I wouldn't agree.
Perhaps the constant attempts by criminals to get more advantages for their trade has brought up this rule.
And yet attempts by police to get advantages for their trade are met with solutions.:rofl:
A majority of this topic relates to having a larger voice of view which can be addressed and covered in this SA:MP idea:
Building on the above idea and the good positive feedback we have recieved. We are now moving to accomodate groups by facilitating an area which ideas can flourish through contrasting views and constructive debates. A.R.U.N (Argonath United Nations) will be reintroduced containing the above idea to motivate and encourage commitment in bid of self-improvement. In the weeks ahead, we will be rolling out A.R.U.N (subject to calibration) in hope of gaining strong uptake from group leaders to form a solid foundation of strength. It is in your interest to continue suggesting ideas in the above SA:MP idea topic as it will be taken into consideration and may be implemented under the A.R.U.N brand of development.
srsly ?
Why can't suspects ride bikes?
They can..?
Just the fact they can choose three sports cars to buy
and ALL three of the suspects we chased were in completely tuned with NOS.
Not to mention cops are the ones who have to CHASE the criminals, criminals just have to focus on fighting back and getting away.
You're right. Cops have it so much better nowadays.
sarcasm.
I might've believed it before the whole new car system,
Yes, suspects can ride bikes if they're already on them and get suspected..
By stopping the car and shooting ?As I understood, the bikercop can still then shoot me from his/her bike having a greater accuracy. Am I right?
As I understood, the bikercop can still then shoot me from his/her bike having a greater accuracy. Am I right?The Cop can only Shoot the car, not the person.
I am just trying to figure out, if a bikercop has an advantage over a criminal on foot.
Yes.Then I guess there is no need for a gang war system or criminal commission.
I could make such an incredibly long list of police scripts, but would find it difficult to even justify using bullet points for a list of suspect scripts. For criminal group scripts, I would not even need a list - there is only one and that is also shared with clans.
I Actually don't support this.
This will only lead to more moaning among criminals and the same discrimination that exists inside arpd when someone trys to rp something.
'Your not official why should we give a f**k" Would become the new slogan of criminal groups. Brilliant idea frank, lets endorse more moaning and problems then there currently are.
Suspects can't ride bikes , okay , i understand its hard for cops to ram off someone from the bike , especially if the person in cause lags ... but a rule giving the cops ability to DDB on police bikes only is BS srsly.. Bring the bikes back to suspects then as an equal rule ... Soo many advantages for the cops , they have scripted ways of earning cash , now this easy way of killing anyone ? I was unarmed and wasn't moving when suddenly a cop on a motorbike came to me and started DDB'ing i reported him the admin told me its ok .. nice , ain't it ?Its not a new rule...it has been in place since we opened SA:MP
The Cop can only Shoot the car, not the person.If from a bike you can only shoot other vehicles, why it is banned for criminals anyway? So they can't blow up other criminals or cops cars?
If from a bike you can only shoot other vehicles, why it is banned for criminals anyway? So they can't blow up other criminals or cops cars?Because criminals do not chase suspects ?
As can cops.
NOS cannot be saved (?), so they bought it seperately. Very unlikely and rare to see a car with it.Correct, yet what's stopping a criminal from buying it seperately? It's very likely when it comes to the criminals with tuned out Bullets, of which I've seen three of in ONE patrol whateveryouwanttocallit with Ben.
I'll give you that one, but thats an inherent point of cat and mouse type situations.
Ok.I'm glad we see eye to eye.
Not so much.From my standpoint, quite a bit of it.
That, when you think about it, slightly favours cops given that there are almost no cars around if yours blows up outside of LS. As for more people having sports cars.. you also have sports cars.
Nonetheless, a buffalo can catch most cars in SA with the exception of perhaps the infernus and the bullet. I should know, I use it in every single chase on both sides.
However, I should look at this bike driveby exception from my surprisingly experienced cop view too.
From the view of me as an on duty cop, it means I can drive my motorbike up behind suspects and totally destroy their car in seconds without much effort, as long as other things have been tried first, such as asking for surrender.
So in that respect, as Officer Panda, I quite like it.
Because criminals do not chase suspects ?But they might chase each other in a roleplay situation. For example hitman chasing down his/her target.
By stopping the car and shooting ?If unarmed?
Blackbird, the concept is being brought in to provide additional support to SA:MP groups which have through the original topic of idea gained strong backing for implementation. Criminal/group hierarchies vary and in turn contrast heavily in comparison to the SAPD where all ranks are fixed. The scope for discrimination is low and if raised would be countered through collated agreement of official group bodies. In relations to undermining other non-official groups, it will be inscribed that the role of the official groups will be to influence, help and guide other groups to prosperity.Your missing what I'm saying.
If unarmed?How will they do a driveby if unarmed ?
But they might chase each other in a roleplay situation. For example hitman chasing down his/her target.See my reply to Violet. Trouble complehensive reading today ?
Not at all.Think from the cop's eyes instead of the spectator's eyes for a sec.:
Rule is very simple. Drive by as driver is not allowed. Exception, cop on bike.
Of course you can try to reverse it to complicate it.
Your reasoning:
- Megaphone : reaction of suspect is he can do nothing
- Forcing: bike against car is no match.
- tailgating: will take minimal 20 minutes until fuel runs out.
- waiting for a driver to stop: see the above point
- calling backup : usually backup will not arrive, and repeated location is hard during a careful chase.
The rule is simple, reasoning solid.
Not at all.
Rule is very simple. Drive by as driver is not allowed. Exception, cop on bike.
Of course you can try to reverse it to complicate it.
Your reasoning:
- Megaphone : reaction of suspect is he can do nothing
- Forcing: bike against car is no match.
- tailgating: will take minimal 20 minutes until fuel runs out.
- waiting for a driver to stop: see the above point
- calling backup : usually backup will not arrive, and repeated location is hard during a careful chase.
The rule is simple, reasoning solid.
The logic is extremely one-sided in relation to this. If suspects do not wish to fight or run, the cop has no reason to use the driveby.
A hitman is not supposed to work as Nigga-Rambo, but to use skills in order to kill without getting in trouble.
Cops are supposed to stop fleeing suspects, and will always be provided with the means to do so. As a single cop on a bike has no means to stop fleeing suspects other than driveby, it is the ultimate logic that it is allowed.
Because criminals should not chase.If you think these posts. Well yes, the rule is simple. But it does not cover the problem of hitman chasing his hit. Because hitmans aren't always that extreme killers, a lot of the times players just goes and kills their victim and that's it. And killing victim in that way isn't automatically "getting into trouble".
If you think these posts. Well yes, the rule is simple. But it does not cover the problem of hitman chasing his hit. Because hitmans aren't always that extreme killers, a lot of the times players just goes and kills their victim and that's it.That is not our problem that hitmen fail. :D
May I add:You are the one who is trying to take the cruth away to see if the leg is good or not.
The cops aren't retarded. They CAN and HAVE taken out suspects in larger vehicles (e.g., sentinel vs cop bike), so they do not require this, "crutch", in a sense, under their arm when they have a perfect leg. It's practically an insult to give them such a "crutch." It's like me giving an anorexic man living on the road an offer for lypo suction.
That is not our problem that hitmen fail. :DGive the hitmen a slack :D Ah anyway, I have given my opinion as a player, and I think I have heard. I support an idea, of letting criminals and cops use drive-by's on a bike against other vehicles.
Your missing what I'm saying.
I'm glad your able to be so optimistic about something that is going to fail.
Regardless what you do, criminals are gonna moan about something.
Until cops are removed completely from script support, criminals are gonna moan, regardless how even the admins it.
HPV is not fast, have seen so myself. Have overtaken one in a PD car hundreds of times.About the HPV part, I've seen an HPV take out a monster :lol:
PD car is pretty fast also, with the right driver.. seriously cops shouldn't complain all the time, they're fast enough. And if it's not fast enough, get your own car. (Altough not possible if you're going to do traffic stops, but that may speak for itself.)
And to everybody that complains that you can not stop a car with a police bike, get a f*cking car then..
About cops not being able to catch a criminal because he is too fast with his vehicle, is not true most of the times. The police is often not able to catch-up with a criminal because the cops constantly colide with each other in an attempt to get a criminal, do not blame fast cars for this, jeez..
To sum it all up, get some skills instead of complaining.
Not at all.
Rule is very simple. Drive by as driver is not allowed. Exception, cop on bike.
Not at all.
Rule is very simple. Drive by as driver is not allowed. *Exception cop on bike chasing a suspect who is in a vehicle and not stopping :lol:.
Your reasoning:-Megaphone: Who knows, maybe if you promise the guy a short jail term he may actually surrender?
- Megaphone : reaction of suspect is he can do nothing
- Forcing: bike against car is no match.
- tailgating: will take minimal 20 minutes until fuel runs out.
- waiting for a driver to stop: see the above point
- calling backup : usually backup will not arrive, and repeated location is hard during a careful chase.
If unarmed?
Then I guess there is no need for a gang war system or criminal commission.
But I thought you liked using a Buffalo, Officer Panda? :D
Cool new rule.OMG STFU MOAN MORE JESUS
It seems like a great idea to have cops use driver driveby on bikes. I mean, they obviously aren't good enough to use bikes to catch cars without drivebying ;)
Cops obviously need these advantages, with the addition of a Hydra, a Hunter, /weaponequip, and now driver driveby, we keep seeing that no matter what is added, criminals just adapt and become even harder to kill. I'm just waiting to see what will be added next. Perhaps grenades for cop use, because criminals crowd together too much and cops can't kill them, if I correctly get the logic.
Or maybe I just really don't understand the logic in adding this.
The driveby rule falls under Glitching. There for it is not allowed, as the driver of a vehicle when using driveby gets an auto-aiming and can not be hurt due to a special action.
For cops on a motorcycle it is allowed (as Agent is doing in the picture) as otherwise they have no way of stopping a suspect by force. As a motorcycle it not easy to handle while shooting, the effect of the glitch is neutralized.
The general rules cover every situation, however it requires the player to use his brains. The more specific rules we will make. the more players will wave them to get advantage over others.
For this reason the rules will remain simple and general. If you wish to explore the limits, you will find them by admin punishment.
Think from the cop's eyes instead of the spectator's eyes for a sec.:
"FUK MAI KAR IZ MESED UP AND HE 2 FAST"
"OH LUK AN ABANDONED KOP BIKE IMMA TAEK IT AN BLOW TEH FUX OUT OF TEH KRIMINAL WIF MY AEWSUM SMG"
*cop ditches car and gets on bike*
*cop sees the criminal*
"OHAI"
*cop opens fire*
The cop is basically wielding a crappy minigun; it shoots 1/4 as slow and has approx. 1/5 of the damage. If you're unlucky enough to easily blow the guy up, he's GUARANTEED going to have a few popped tires, in which the case he slides into a pole, spins out, flies into a wall, and EXPLODESINTOHIGHHELL
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, i was expecting your post long ago finaly you made it !! <3Waiting for the retarded one? :D
Fixed below:A hitman is not chasing a wanted suspect. Do not try to twist rules to your advantage, people got banned for that.
So how come hitmen are not allowed to use drive-by as driver whilst on a bike and cops can? Your reasoning in your post directed towards me shows that hitmen deserve to have the rule exemption as much as cops do on bikes. In the same way you will have people abusing this rule by using it in the middle of a gang war or to kill someone they don't like, I can see just as many cops abusing the rule by suspecting people for frivolous reasons and drive-bying them to death whilst they are motionless and not in a vehicle within seconds. For these reasons, I think there should be no exemptions to the rule at all. Thus the rule will be even more simple and the reasoning more solid.
Make up rules as we go along ?
One more thing.. When you say that this rule has been here since 0.1b how come the administration was not informed of the exception of this rule at all until a developer used it? I know that you are entitled to make up the rules as you go along as it is your server however I find it unjust that you can claim to have an exception to a rule for two years that was non-existent to 99.9% of the server until a member of HQ used it. Why weren't admins told not to punish cops drive-bying on bikes again on admin chat after they did it? As far as I am aware, the only people aware of this rule exception were yourself, Legolas and possibly the other few members of HQ. It would have only been beneficial if the existence of this exception of the rule was communicated to every member of the community in 0.1b - the date you gave for its creation.
QuoteQuote from: Raslman on October 26, 2007, 03:36:30 pm
Well, i got problems with suspects. About drive-bying. Today im pursuit Omri, And Mumin, in PD bike. I start shoot at they. Can you anser: can police man shoot at suspects from bike with tec9 e.t.c?
If they do not give up? you can use any kind of tactic to stop the car with criminals... I hardly see any other way to stop a car, being chase it on bike and being alone...
Gang war system is player made and run at the moment, the criminal commission on the other hand is looking very good and is set to resoundingly shut me up when it comes to criminal/cop equality discussions - which I think we all want.The gang war system is player made however supported by us, as if we did not support gang wars would be completely forbidden.
I do, but if I can driveby off my bike I may use that instead :3.
Cool new rule.Its not a new rule. If players had not started moaning about it, it might have even been forgotten. However as criminals think they know the rules better as developers it can happen that forgotten rules are brought up.
Its not a new rule. If players had not started moaning about it, it might have even been forgotten. However as criminals think they know the rules better as developers it can happen that forgotten rules are brought up.
Check my quote of aragorn in 2007. Perhaps that was before your time here. :D
What's with the hostility, I actually agreed with the rule. I was being serious.
I don't think I know the rules better than the developers, but I can't remember this ever being allowed.
Hopefully this reminder will be heeded by all!U SHULD READ IT FG
U SHULD READ IT FG
A hitman is not chasing a wanted suspect. Do not try to twist rules to your advantage, people got banned for that.What is the correlation between me talking about hitmans and bending the rules for myself...?
.Make up rules as we go along ?
The only people who wish to make up rules as they go along are our beloved players....
If they do not give up? you can use any kind of tactic to stop the car with criminals... I hardly see any other way to stop a car, being chase it on bike and being alone...You see, Aragorn's post only explicitly mentions that a cop is allowed to chase a suspect in a car on a bike.
'Can use any kind of tactic to stop the car with criminals'
Check my quote of aragorn in 2007. Perhaps that was before your time here. :DIn the United Kingdom, March comes before October :cowb:.
Let's just keep it as it is. All of you are making a fool out of yourself, except those who's defending the current rules.Read the paragraph above your quote in my post and if you want to come here telling people that they appear to be stupid then for your information it's 'who are' not 'who's'. There is nothing wrong with 'big conversation', I am against flaming but there is nothing wrong with debate in my eyes as it clears up any misunderstandings that anyone has if done properly. If you have a problem with that, you're not obliged to post.
Lock please, before another big conversation starts.
What is the correlation between me talking about hitmans and bending the rules for myself...?From the moment you became aware of the rule, you start making demands it should be given free. That is a classic example of trying to twist the rules in ones favour.
You don't know for sure that the hitman's target isn't a suspect, they may well be.
Again an example of not being able to read comprehensive. Instead of just reading the answer, read the question and you will see it is exactly answering the driveby.
You see, Aragorn's post only explicitly mentions that a cop is allowed to chase a suspect in a car on a bike.
For
to be linked to it being acceptable for cops to drive-by as driver when on a bike, I think if you use this phrase as loosely as you have done, it might as well mean that you can do anything to stop the suspect, and this may include freezing him if you are an admin, hacking the suspect's account, speed,weapon and teleport hacking as evidently, the no drive-by as driver rule is a rule just like no hacking is a rule.
Why did not any admin or moderator ever repeated this question until now ?
I'll repeat my question incase you did not read it. Why did you, any other manager or member of HQ not tell the admins on the server to stop admin punishing cops who drive-byed suspects on a bike when they did it whilst you were in-game or when you were checking the logs?
In the United Kingdom, March comes before October :cowb:.
That is why you are constantly pointing out that criminals should have equal right to an exception ?
I'm not debating the rule with you to get the rule on my advantage, I am simply trying to clarify the reasoning behind this.
We can not be responsible for the ignorance of players.
If there is a rule, then the administration should be informing the players of it. There should have been greater communication between the people making the rules and those who have to follow and enforce them. If the players and admins didn't know about the rule, then in my opinion it's your obligation to ensure that they are lead to the existence of the rule. I think that this is definitely something that the whole community, including the developers must learn from.
We expect our admins to know the rules, and not to create their own.
Like in real life. You are supposed to know the law of a country, and ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law.
If the law in real life was enforced like the rules on the server, then you'd only find out you were breaking the law when you got arrested for breaking it. This is flawed.Not flawed at all. Most new players learn the rules only by breaking them. Else the unban request topics wold be much less.
Yesterday I asked two admins if cops were allowed to DB as a driver on motorbikes.It is. But if all admins would follow our policies the complaint mail would be filled up daily.
One said Yes.
One said No.
Obviously even our beloved admins don't know what the f**k is going on.
How can you say that's not flawed?
It is. But if all admins would follow our policies the complaint mail would be filled up daily.
So you'd rather everyone was confused, than have your mail spammed with valid reports?The reports would not be valid, as most would be made by players who think they know better as admins.
Well some of them obviously do, as alot of players seem to know the rules better than the admins do. something werid not saying everyone, but alot do. something weirdsomething weird ??
btw, you spelled weird wrong. "Werid". ;)That is to make a difference between opening and closing :razz:
Not flawed at all. Most new players learn the rules only by breaking them. Else the unban request topics wold be much less.
Surely it would be better if there was a list of rules that was a little more comprehensive than the basics we have now? I understand that a bloated list of rules can be overwhelming, but I always thought it odd that the only time a person learns a rule is when they (or another) gets punished for breaking it.You want a tl;dr version ?
You want a tl;dr version ?
Check my quote of aragorn in 2007. Perhaps that was before your time here. :D
From the moment you became aware of the rule, you start making demands it should be given free. That is a classic example of trying to twist the rules in ones favour.I made no any demands that the rule should be changed. The rule won't even affect me in anyway until I am back ingame, which is in a couple of months. I made a massive list of rules and you did not mention the rule exception at the time.
Again an example of not being able to read comprehensive. Instead of just reading the answer, read the question and you will see it is exactly answering the driveby.No, I have the habit of reading everything related to what I wish to post in the topic before posting. As for the question, it's pretty obvious that 'anything' is rather ambiguous and does not neccessarily mean that there are not other rule exemptions for a lone cop on a bike other than the driveby as driver rule.
Why did not any admin or moderator ever repeated this question until now ?Because nothing was done when they did repeat the question by punishing the 'rulebreak' of cops drive-bying a suspect on a bike when either you were online or when the logs were being routinely checked.
We expect our admins to know the rules, and not to create their own.Yes I think the community has moved on from the times of Hayden on the whole. Admins didn't know about this exception, infact a manager did not know that this rule existed until a few days ago when he says it was announced.
That is why you are constantly pointing out that criminals should have equal right to an exception ?Just because I am dissapointed that there was no any communication from the developers with the admins or players in this instance does not mean I am opposed to every single exception. For example, I'm not opposed to the exception that cops are allowed to suspect people and criminals do not.
We can not be responsible for the ignorance of players. We have had running topics since 2007 where players can ask clarification of situations should they have any doubt about rules. There are similar topics in the administration.This paragraph is like cutting the branch of the tree you are sitting on because you mentioned real life. In real life you can see the laws in one place such as this:
Like in real life. You are supposed to know the law of a country, and ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law.
This is also why we created thee 'ask developers' topic, though 36 pages may be long to read.The 'ask developers' rule does not have every rule on it. I can't find where it says that invitations to members of official clans is not allowed on that topic, or any topic on the forums. Hardly anyone knows about that rule either and I only found out until I broke this rule that I didn't know existed which the vast majority of people do not know even today. What do you have to say about this?
UK doesn't have an constitutions. :DThe UK constitution is a de facto one at the moment which is why I used the US as the example for the constitution.
The UK constitution is a de facto one at the moment which is why I used the US as the example for the constitution.I know, and what I am trying to do is stop you from wasting time here, cause its obvious what happen here, from page one, and why was this rule all of a sudden brought up from no where, but I'll keep it for myself, cause otherwise I would get rocks and stones on me, by a lot of people.
I know, and what I am trying to do is stop you from wasting time here, cause its obvious what happen here, from page one, and why was this rule all of a sudden brought up from no where, but I'll keep it for myself, cause otherwise I would get rocks and stones on me, by a lot of people.I think I know what you're thinking ;)
I made no any demands that the rule should be changed. The rule won't even affect me in anyway until I am back ingame, which is in a couple of months.You argued an exception hould be available for others, which is requesting a change of the rule.
I made a massive list of rules and you did not mention the rule exception at the time.Correct. If it is not a problem no need to mention it.
No, I have the habit of reading everything related to what I wish to post in the topic before posting. As for the question, it's pretty obvious that 'anything' is rather ambiguous and does not neccessarily mean that there are not other rule exemptions for a lone cop on a bike other than the driveby as driver rule.I guess you did not read the question correct, as it lacked in English grammar.
Because nothing was done when they did repeat the question by punishing the 'rulebreak' of cops drive-bying a suspect on a bike when either you were online or when the logs were being routinely checked.That is possible as the rule was basicly forgotten and brought up only because a developer made use of it. It is already considered to strike the exception, however that will be done after testing with a bike expert.
Yes I think the community has moved on from the times of Hayden on the whole. Admins didn't know about this exception, infact a manager did not know that this rule existed until a few days ago when he says it was announced.
Just because I am dissapointed that there was no any communication from the developers with the admins or players in this instance does not mean I am opposed to every single exception. For example, I'm not opposed to the exception that cops are allowed to suspect people and criminals do not.I at times feel the same disappointment when a script exploit is not reported until found in logs, or when players seem to care more about their asse(t)s than about having fun.
This paragraph is like cutting the branch of the tree you are sitting on because you mentioned real life. In real life you can see the laws in one place such as this:A constitution is like out set of rules. From this a general practice is derived and written down in laws, governmental decrees and jurisprudence. Even judges and lawyers often have no direct knowledge regarding every single subject, but if needed have to search trhough a number of sources to find information. In some cases a lawyer and also a judge decides to create his own interpretation to have it checked against the laws, especially if something old comes up. The Supreme Court will then test the interpretation against the constitution and general practice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_United_Kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_United_Kingdom)
In real life, most countries have constitutions and when something comes up like in the US, you have the Supreme Court to decide whether something is constitutional or not and to make any ammendments if the Supreme Court feels like there should be.
EDIT: The 'ask developers' rule does not have every rule on it. I can't find where it says that invitations to members of official clans is not allowed on that topic, or any topic on the forums. Hardly anyone knows about that rule either and I only found out until I broke this rule that I didn't know existed which the vast majority of people do not know even today. What do you have to say about this?I have no idea of what rule you speak.
II can't, as a parent, expect my baby-sitter to know that I don't let my baby, who can walk, in the kitchen without telling them.However I would not allow a babysitter who lets a kid walk in to the kitchen alone to stay on the job.
However I would not allow a babysitter who lets a kid walk in to the kitchen alone to stay on the job.It'd be my(your) own fault for not letting the babysitter know of such terms. Some things DON'T need to be told, like "DONT LET THE KID TOUCH THE GUN." But things like "NO GLASS CUPS UPSTAIRS" DO need to be told.
Basically, you have made an exception to this rule (no drive-by as driver) to allow ONE GROUP of people to pretty much HP HACK, even if it's temporary!?
It'd be my(your) own fault for not letting the babysitter know of such terms. Some things DON'T need to be told, like "DONT LET THE KID TOUCH THE GUN." But things like "NO GLASS CUPS UPSTAIRS" DO need to be told.The thing is that while some things need to be told, others are pretty obvious.
My other question stands unanswered.
Waiting for the retarded one? :D
Couldn't we have like Universal Rules, same applies for firemen, medics, criminals, cops..etc..
Like: "Cops are allowed to return to RP but criminals aren't" - This kinda things constantly brings up useless arguements about cops having more advantages...etc.
My idea is to make rules applying for all. If a cop can't driveby, a criminal shouldn't be allowed too, looks fair and would avoid lot of moaning. Well that would help, in my opinion
I support this. Criminals bring much more RP than cops, and still they keep having more advantages than us.Not what I meant, my idea is to stop "Criminals VS Cops" thing, by making rules which applies for both.
The only thing I can think of is that we have made is an agreement between official clans not to invite each others members. This was an agreement between the leaders of the official clans, and has no connection to server rules.
Criminals bring much more RP than copshi i'm a criminal. i shoot people and shit pew pew my rp shits all over the cops pullover rps and other rps, pew pew sorry had to shoot someone, anyway criminals rp pwns because we go pew pew to people so gtfo cops pew pew my rp shits all over yours pewwww ^_^_^_^
hi i'm a criminal. i shoot people and shit pew pew my rp shits all over the cops pullover rps and other rps, pew pew sorry had to shoot someone, anyway criminals rp pwns because we go pew pew to people so gtfo cops pew pew my rp shits all over yours pewwww ^_^_^_^Hi i'm officer. I am the law. I aim at you with my deagle for now apparent reason. come ere bad guy let me slap your ass. oh you resist? /su insulting officer. pew pew pew. I shoot people, am drunk at public and piss on citizens, we go annoy citizens to /su them, my rp shits all over yours pewwwww ^_^_^_^
Then why was Corleone chastised when Mario joined?No idea, did not see or hear anything about it.
Is this allowed?
*Criminal entered a car*
*police man gets ontop of car*
*police man beats the car up using the nitestick while the driver is driving*
*Car explodes*
Couldn't we have like Universal Rules, same applies for firemen, medics, criminals, cops..etc..Of course. Criminals will have to ask civilians to stop, if not they have to use a /cr command that will turn their name purple. Once the name is purple criminals will have to ask 'GIVE MONEY OR WE USE FORCE' at least three times, the civilian can do /afraid.
No.This also goes for criminals with Dildos. :D
Why?
It's using a weapon on top of a car = Carsurfing + Using Weapon = DM.
Of course. Criminals will have to ask civilians to stop, if not they have to use a /cr command that will turn their name purple. Once the name is purple criminals will have to ask 'GIVE MONEY OR WE USE FORCE' at least three times, the civilian can do /afraid.
If the criminal kills the civilian while afraid, he loses money. He must take the criminal to the HQ of the group and then can type the command /shake. For this he will get $200. If he kills a purple name that did not do /afraid he gets $100, but if he kills someone that is not purple he will get $1000 fine.
Happy ?
Of course. Criminals will have to ask civilians to stop, if not they have to use a /cr command that will turn their name purple. Once the name is purple criminals will have to ask 'GIVE MONEY OR WE USE FORCE' at least three times, the civilian can do /afraid.
If the criminal kills the civilian while afraid, he loses money. He must take the criminal to the HQ of the group and then can type the command /shake. For this he will get $200. If he kills a purple name that did not do /afraid he gets $100, but if he kills someone that is not purple he will get $1000 fine.
Happy ?
hi i'm a criminal. i shoot people and shit pew pew my rp shits all over the cops pullover rps and other rps, pew pew sorry had to shoot someone, anyway criminals rp pwns because we go pew pew to people so gtfo cops pew pew my rp shits all over yours pewwww ^_^_^_^
Of course. Criminals will have to ask civilians to stop, if not they have to use a /cr command that will turn their name purple. Once the name is purple criminals will have to ask 'GIVE MONEY OR WE USE FORCE' at least three times, the civilian can do /afraid.Surprisingly, it sounded quite good :P
If the criminal kills the civilian while afraid, he loses money. He must take the criminal to the HQ of the group and then can type the command /shake. For this he will get $200. If he kills a purple name that did not do /afraid he gets $100, but if he kills someone that is not purple he will get $1000 fine.
Happy ?
Cops can't do /me, /l or such while getting shot at by 10 combat shotguns.And you think criminals can?
If the criminals are doing something else than shooting (surrendering), they have a chance cops will do something creative as well.A cop surrounded by ten criminals holding ten combat shotguns, why don't they 'surrender' to criminals too?
A cop surrounded by ten criminals holding ten combat shotguns, why don't they 'surrender' to criminals too?Because, if a large group of criminal spot a guy with a blue name and uniform, it's goes 'Pew pew' Have seen so myself after trying to flee from a large group of criminals and call back-up. On which I was called.
That would be creative, but unfortunately, in this time I'm playing in this community I never saw such thing, cops mostly shoot back, no matter how many you are, I mean, what do they lose?
Criminals loses $1000 for beeing killed by a cop, the cop doesn't lose nothing, there for they just try kill as many as possible, and they're also allowed to return to RP...
Because, if a large group of criminal spot a guy with a blue name and uniform, it's goes 'Pew pew' Have seen so myself after trying to flee from a large group of criminals and call back-up. On which I was called.Don't think I'm against cops or something :)
As said above, violent criminals = violent cops
good criminals = good cops :cop:
And I've seen both sides..
Don't think I'm against cops or something :)There is no real efficient way to see who returned or not, due to all reckless freecops.
The way I see it, cops should be allowed to return to RP only after +/- 15minutes after beeing killed.
Why? Because they do not lose anything for beeing killed, there for, why even bother to RP, they come pew pew pew pew straight way...
Criminals losing $1000 and they're prohibited to return to the roleplay, they think twice before shooting, and most of the cases, they surrender but If they didn't lose anything, why would them surrender?
Some of the cops don't even try to RP with criminals since they're not going to lose anything...
I think, if some of those benefits were taken away from cops, it would increase the RP significantly.
Regards.
Criminals thinking twice? I have yet to see that, actually.. and to admit, I didn't give a shit whilst I was playing as a criminal.Maybe, if instead of losing only $1000, we lose $2500... Then we would have a very lawful Argonath :P
About benefits, you're talking about the no-return rule and make them lose money if killed, or?Not sure, but mostly about returning to RP rule, but you have a point, it's hard to identify returners.
- They /weaponequip everyone.
????????No, I want them to spawn back to a police department, not dieing and respawning outside, getting armored again...etc
You want everyone to storm the place without armour and heavy weaponry?
. As soon as a criminal kills a cop it means all cops can fire without having to ask surrender./crime [ID-CRIMINAL]
hi i'm a criminal. i shoot people and shit pew pew my rp shits all over the cops pullover rps and other rps, pew pew sorry had to shoot someone, anyway criminals rp pwns because we go pew pew to people so gtfo cops pew pew my rp shits all over yours pewwww ^_^_^_^
Also Inter-Mafia RP is the best RP on the server, no exceptions.
/crime [ID-CRIMINAL]If you are shooting with a gun, a cop does not have to ask to surrnder. If you are running, a cop does not have to ask to surrender. If you have already resisted arrest, a cop does not have to ask to surrender.
Crime of Mr.Criminal: Killing PoliceOfficer1
Cop come to the criminal, who is stopped, and kill him.
I play this for fun by RPing, and to be honest, that logic is totally ruining it.
There are many great RPers playing Cop roles, such as Mafs, JimmyBowling, JayL, and many others.
But in constrast, there are others who plays for stats, who obey those rules strictly, do not need to ask him to surrender? Then just kill him, doesn't matter, I'm obeying the rule and you're giving them to much freedom, IMO.
But it's something you wouldn't possibly understand if you never experienced theese kind of situations.
As said before, I love to RP, but...
If a cop doesn't need to ask for surrending, there for he doesn't bother to RP.
If he dies, he comes back for a revenge trying to kill you (cops are allowed to revenge kill(return to RPsomething weird - once again, no RP.
:neutral:
Regards.
Cop pull over RP's are generally half assed. If they are good, I roleplay them. Also, our pew pew is generally the result of a criminal Rp. Also Inter-Mafia RP is the best RP on the server, no exceptions. Unfortunately some of the most amazing RP will never be experience by many of you.Gang wars are pure RP. :lol:
Cop pull over RP's are generally half assed. If they are good, I roleplay them. Also, our pew pew is generally the result of a criminal Rp. Also Inter-Mafia RP is the best RP on the server, no exceptions. Unfortunately some of the most amazing RP will never be experience by many of you.I'm not saying that any of this is untrue. I know that a lot of cops (And i've experienced this myself) would prefer to pullover, skip any RP and just give a ticket, which often will be for more then they'd get for killing you. Pew pew was just an over exaggeration, you know it :P I was trying to poke fun at a post that was a few posts up from that one. Criminal groups RPing with other criminal groups is great - just last night I responded to a situation at Grove, where two groups of criminals appeared to be close to having a gang war..I negotiated for both the sides with each other and avoided a major situation where many would die...I especially like it that everyone treated me not just as some cop, but authority to them, and heeded to my words and threats. This is how it should be. If you don't have an orange name, you respect the cops, just like in real life. I know saying that is contradicting other statements I've made in saying that Argonath is not ZOMGRL server, but I think that's just a general thing that should be quite an obvious thing.
More than half of shootouts are attempts to DM cops, opposed to the other shootouts that are actually a result of RP. It saddens me.
More than half of shootouts are attempts by cops to "DM" criminals, not the other way around.You are incorrect. If a cop DM's criminals he can be expected to be copbanned.
Criminals do not choose for cops to come in their masses to be slaughtered. I scoff at the very idea that it is somehow our fault that they just keep coming back.
The cops want the shootout, they are the ones who could easily end it by retreating (as SAPD sometimes does).
You are incorrect. If a cop DM's criminals he can be expected to be copbanned.
If cops are having a shootout with criminals it is because they are suspected.
Do not want to be shot at ? Go to jail as soon as your name gets orange.
Suggestion:- NO FLOOD THE CHAT WINDOW;
Rule: No endless discussing/moaning on public chat (Being DMed, insulted, etc)
This rule is not on the list, and it is obvious, but some people do not know that it's obvious and get punished. Which leads to more discussing etc.
You're right, I'm sure some people do not know that.After reading here they will tell it is a new one. :lol:
Or they just ignore it..
Eh, lets just forget this and hope that cops have a few consideration for criminals. D: