Never had any issues regarding gang wars whenever we had one. Two groups applied to the same rules, if the shit got out of hand, we talked over PM and set the whole thing on ice for a while.
But yeah, gang wars can be used as a "reason" to DM, which is simply moronic.
Who dont know what is RP ? srsly ?
Srsly ? Stop saying that your RP isn't the best RP i saw. so you cant say that when your RP is a Sh**Please do not go off topic.
I remember a TeaM vs i9 brawl we had a couple of months ago. After the brawl, both sides laughed at it because we both had so much fun during it (remember Frank, we won it! :D).Brawls can be found on rare occasions, you won't see Sopranos and Straccis(just an example) taking on each other with baseball bats and knives.Gang fights these days are considered as DM wars.
If both sides agrees, gang fights can be loads of fun.
Brawls can be found on rare occasions, you won't see Sopranos and Straccis(just an example) taking on each other with baseball bats and knives.Gang fights these days are considered as DM wars.The fact is that players rarely fight for fun and enjoyment anymore. It is serious and the loser accuse the winner for cheating and the winner accuse the loser for shitty players who can not use a gun. Fight for fun and respect. I am seriously getting tired on teaching all of you the same thing, when you obviously know what is right and wrong.
so if my homie ness is getting the shit beaten out of him, im not allowed to blast those niggas for it? either this is complete 100% retarded or im reading it wrong and im 100% retard which is more likely.
so if my homie ness is getting the shit beaten out of him, im not allowed to blast those niggas for it? either this is complete 100% retarded or im reading it wrong and im 100% retard which is more likely.Someone didn't read whole sentences...
Jcs perharps you could add something along lines of provoking there for exaple : walking to balla territory with bats as grove and going "GROVE 4 life" and doing /riot to result mass DM/Brawl is not allowed... it happend yesterday with no rp reason that happend twice.That is a roleplay attempt and should not be punished, the only who should be punished is the guy who has been 'disrespect' IF he insta-shoot him.
You are not allowed to pop up from middle of nowhere and start to blast the attacker with your shotgun without a word. If you present your self with "Ey, hands off my brother or I blast your ass off nigg'!" you have introduced your self and the attacker is very:lol: The cop would just shoot the both of you and it would be considered "ok"
do it somewhere OUT OF LS where new players and others will not get caught upOh when it comes to the 'gang sides' everybody suddenly cares about new players..
:lol: The cop would just shoot the both of you and it would be considered "ok"
probable situation:
You: 'Ey, hands off ma brother or I blast your ass off nigg'!
You have been suspected for: aiding.
You: wtf?
Cop: /gu!!!!
You: Alright, alright! I give up!
Cop: /gu!!!!!
h when it comes to the 'gang sides' everybody suddenly cares about new players..And this shows exatly why people should teach new players, even if they are cops.
New players were shot daily while simply standing at GS9 for simply 'not answering' the smart-ass cop who knew he couldn't talk just because he didn't know to roleplay yet and no1 ever cared about the impact that would do on the newplayers.. I bet that if any newbie asked you 'how to be a cop' you'd probably just tell him to go to LSPD and do /duty and use /cophelp ;)
Take 'Akselbaba' as an example..
When I first joined the server, I decided to become cop and I've been told to chase 'orangeman'. As soon as I /duty'd, I've been given guns so my job would be easy, just blast the f**k outta the orangines and that's how I met Aksel and Chavez on the Burkev family HQ. I was chasing for orange guys in SF when I saw them stopped and surely an easy target for 3 deagle shots and a 500$ profit, which was my attempt.
Instead of moaning and reporting me and getting me banned, aksel taught me how to be a cop and invited me to join his family which I did and he pretty much taught everything I know about argonath and general role-playing, same goes for Eugene, Cofi and some others examples here..
Why would you not want gang-fights? Let me guess... You're a cop and when you get nearby, both gangs just shoot the f**k outta you?
Then instead of running around with guns, bunny-hopping and shouting /s3 and /gu use /me and try to get involved in the situation because if you can look like a real-deal cop, their whole gang would just start running, obviously noone wants troubles with the officers
Jcs perharps you could add something along lines of provoking there for exaple : walking to balla territory with bats as grove and going "GROVE 4 life" and doing /riot to result mass DM/Brawl is not allowed... it happend yesterday with no rp reason that happend twice.Good point. Groups should not randomly enter a populated area and start provoking. Not everyone will know the situation or the RP reason so it does not agree with the criteria I put.
so let me get this straight. if i see my friend about to die, i can't kill them without saying anything? who the f**k does that? if someone sees an asskicking going on, they will just take action. there is to time for words. or is this another one of those ''admin made up rules'' i'm pretty confused right about now. this simply doesn't make sense.
If you are with your criminal friend you should have plenty of time to "/s SAVE NESS" or if you can see cops coming, you could just say "leave him alone" before.
If you dont have time to say 2 words, it means you have just drove up and are shooting cops for no RP reason, which is not allowed. RP reason is so victim (whoever you attack) knows without doubt you are with him, then he cannot complain you killed him with DM.
RP Is about communication. It is no good saying to admin after you are punished "omg I defend my friend"... when the guy had no idea who the hell you are. If you want to kill without a single word - go to Paruni DM server.
so let me get this straight. if i see my friend about to die, i can't kill them without saying anything? who the f**k does that? if someone sees an asskicking going on, they will just take action. there is to time for words. or is this another one of those ''admin made up rules'' i'm pretty confused right about now. this simply doesn't make sense.Example you had an conflict with an street swagger and you two started an fight after argument,neither you ,neither he is fighting for life's. Then some guy out of nowhere jumps out,grabs combat out of ass and kills you to protect his friend. Was it roleplay? No. And reason is because he had to notify you in roleplay manner about his intention and what for are you going to die.
ok, ok.* Pepper in normal civilan clothes fights Mash in purple aka Balla clothes at Idlewood.
i would believe that is understandable because it was his friend. this is not a deathmatch, however it is murder. leave it to the cops to handle. if you don't like being blasted while in a fight, don't get in one. i mean, it's common sense. if you see a friend being killed, you will act.
* Pepper in normal civilan clothes fights Mash in purple aka Balla clothes at Idlewood.As long as you and Frank are friends, then there is no reason to complain. Deathmatching is random killing, if I remember correctly, in instances like this, they have a reason to kill. Just because they don't say anything doesn't mean they don't have a valid reason. :lol:
* Frank Hawk comes from Grove Street after a succesful fight with CJ. Frank have green clothes on and can not be connected to the Ballas. He draws his deagle and shooting Pepper since Pepper fought Mash, which is Frank's friend.
Will you complain or accept that Frank opened fire?
* Pepper in normal civilan clothes fights Mash in purple aka Balla clothes at Idlewood.Shouldn't question him,as in his logic get shot in the ass by random attacker out of nowhere is perfectly fine. :lol:
* Frank Hawk comes from Grove Street after a succesful fight with CJ. Frank have green clothes (no offense Frank! :razz: ) on and can not be connected to the Ballas. He draw his deagle and shooting Pepper since Pepper fought Mash, which is Frank's friend.
Will you complain or accept that Frank opened fire?
As long as you and Frank are friends, then there is no reason to complain. Deathmatching is random killing, if I remember correctly, in instances like this, they have a reason to kill. Just because they don't say anything doesn't mean they don't have a valid reason. :lol:You remember wrong,deathmatching is classified as attacking without roleplay reason and/or roleplay notify.
So what you're saying is, if I witness balla Mash rape my mother, kill my father, then punch my fish (-seanc) in the face I have to say, "Sir balla! Pardon me for one moment! I believe you have offended me, therefore I shall shoot you!" to make it a valid roleplay reason and not deathmatch? hohohoohohohohoho :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:Properly without your xD xD and trololol ho ho ho content : You have assaulted my family and have killed my father,I'm here to make justice and take what belongs to me... Your life.
this is seemingly a new rule, probably made up by admins themselves.This rule has been questined by players since 2007......
see chris, now you're agreeing with me. you see them killing your close friends or family, and then you take what belongs to you... their life.
This rule has been questined by players since 2007......so you'd think maybe this rule would be revised for some common sense.
so you'd think maybe this rule would be revised for some common sense.The rule was made for those lacking common sense, so it does not have to be revised.
Man I think the rule applies if you weren't part of the situation itself from the start, but if you were right beside me when the attacker approached, the reason for you attacking him would be obvious and would not need to be announced. Just my interpretation, probably wrong though.Example : You are standing with your friend and talking ,then an murderer appears as he had an issue with your friend. He has argument with your friend interrupting you and your friends discussion. He decides assault your friend and you engage protecting your friend. Was it DM? No as the murderer could see you both talking and the fact you've been there whole time.
The rule was made for those lacking common sense, so it does not have to be revised.You see your best friend being killed. You have a deagle, what do you do?
You see your best friend being killed. You have a deagle, what do you do?Kill the one who killed your friend.
And this shows exatly why people should teach new players, even if they are cops.This.
You got taught, pass on the torch.
You see your best friend being killed. You have a deagle, what do you do?See your best friend arrested by 5 cops, do you kill them?
See your best friend arrested by 5 cops, do you kill them?Depends.
Depends.on?
on?if he has a minigun or not
on?If i was sure I was the number one gunman in the West, I'd tear those motherfuckers' heads!!!!!
on?The progress in the arrest, if these cops look serious or not, and how heavily armed I am
The progress in the arrest, if these cops look serious or not, and how heavily armed I am
It depends on the situation...
1. If it is the mafia HQ and all mafia members are there, cops are trying to arrest one of them, of cos, nonsense if other mafia members will stand and watch it...
In this case members of mafia group will start to shoot back, trying to help the friend... It is ok...
2. Police is chasing some guy and suddenly appears a car with non-wanted civilian who started shooting them... Simply, cops can decide it is a deathmatcher/cophunter... Attack without a reason is not allowed... And this rule plays here not the best role... As for the criminal helper, so for admins who got reports and for sure will freeze you to get the reason of shooting cops...
How to help?
In this case (if you want to shoot cops back) the main target is to get wanted level... Get him into your car and try to get rid of chase... Cops will suspect you for aiding, then aub, your dream became be a reality...
With wanted level you are allowed to help any sort of criminals with any sort of help...
Why is such rule actually?
Well, you see blue nick of cop, you know he can shoot you if you are criminal... So do cops when see a wanted level of your nick... Both sides are equal and do not confuse each other, less misunderstanding, less reports to admins...
Deathmatching is killing without a valid roleplay reason, correct?Ok so lets say in real life you have the arms of John Holmes, and see your buddy arrested by 5 cops, will you go and kill them ? If not why is it suddenly a good reason in a roleplay?
Seeing your friend being arrested, (not in the process of /gu and that shit) is a very valid reason to interfere and make sure your friend doesn't go to jail. In this case, making sure your friend doesn't die in a fight is a another perfectly good roleplay reason. Police officers know everyday the dangers of their job and they may be killed from behind, this is an aspect of the job.
If you feel different about this, we will have to raise the death penalty in RS5.
Let people who die spend 10 hours online in Mordor. :DActually we had another plan... if they die innocent they get 10 minutes picture of Gandalf.
Actually we had another plan... if they die innocent they get 10 minutes picture of Gandalf.
If they die wanted they get a 30 minute speech by Aragorn...
questionSmart cops. :D
If I have a partner in heroin trade, and he's in a chase due to ordering it, I see him step out of his car and shoot at the cops while wanted, can I get near him, start spamming /s leave him alone or I'll start shooting (or something similar) wait till I get suspected, THEN start shooting at the cops together with him?
since last time I tried doing something like that, the cops didn't want to suspect me, and instead used explanation of me attempting to cophunt or something like that... so I couldn't do anything
Smart cops. :DI don't mean to be unnecessarily antagonistic, but why are you only okay with people manipulating the rules when they're cops?
Rather than cops deciding to allow random guy to come along (who is spamming nonsense like "leave him", which actually is still not explaining who he is and why he is interrupting)What do you want from him? Do you want him to walk over to the cops, explain in a few lines who he is and why he is there, why he is involved with the suspect, and the fact that he is going to open fire in just a moment so they'd better be ready? That's simply absurd.
not allowing him a excuse to DM (or provoke DM) and as a result a mindless attack is avoided.Mirroring my last post, why can cops "DM" but other players cannot? By that I mean "DM" as you have decided to use it here, not what deathmatching actually is.
That is why cops are smart.Yes, they manipulate the intricacies of the rules to their advantage so that they win. Again, why is it okay for them to do that?
I don't mean to be unnecessarily antagonistic, but why are you only okay with people manipulating the rules when they're cops?While fighting is a part of roleplay, not fighting is a larger part. If you can avoid a fight as law enforcement officer ,you win more than by taking a life, even if that is allowed in your line of duty.
I don't see people racketering / extorting / saying "you need proteciton" to a business owner and such mafia stuff like that.In the past such attempts have been called "forced RP" and "deathmatching", even if weapons weren't used.
Rather than cops deciding to allow random guy to come along (who is spamming nonsense like "leave him", which actually is still not explaining who he is and why he is interrupting), they don't /su him, not allowing him a excuse to DM (or provoke DM) and as a result a mindless attack is avoided. Since it was not roleplayed very good on your side Marcell.What a load of tosh.
That is why cops are smart. They did what admin would have done and stopped a shootout which was not RP.
What a load of tosh.And ,ost of them are gangs.
All I see is a bunch of people making the server more complicated than it is by constantly intervening gameplay for no good reason and pulling rules from their ass to justify doing so.
What a load of tosh.Funny really since I have been enforcing these rules for 5 years, and it is not complicated if you know how to roleplay and you know the rules.
All I see is a bunch of people making the server more complicated than it is by constantly intervening gameplay for no good reason and pulling rules from their ass to justify doing so.
Must be good RP reason to have such a large fight. You are risking your life and your friends... and think for what...
I agree with all your points but don't you think you put a lil bit too much drama here :DI dont always RP a criminal.
Brawls are much more RP friendly since you can face off in the beginning, without the threat of being shot to death instantly whilst typing out a message. Also they can be more violent :evil:This means a lot. These days, you just can't expect to RP with mafia members without having the fear of getting shot in the face.
Deathmatching is killing without a valid roleplay reason, correct?Ok here's a situation. You and madboi are having a shootout. I come and just start shooting you without saying anything. For the sake of argument let's say together we kill you. Now you ask why did I attack you. I say to you that madboi is my friend while also saying to madboi, that if you ask, for this situation I am his friend and for helping him out he also lies to you that I am his friend, if you should ask. Is that acceptable situation?
Seeing your friend being arrested, (not in the process of /gu and that shit) is a very valid reason to interfere and make sure your friend doesn't go to jail. In this case, making sure your friend doesn't die in a fight is a another perfectly good roleplay reason. Police officers know everyday the dangers of their job and they may be killed from behind, this is an aspect of the job.
In reality, at least I would do two things at the same time, saying attackers to get off my friend, to distract them from him, and attack them.If you'd have some brains, you wouldn't.
The discussion about friends is pointless.Just for clarification, since we talk about dirty tactics, is it allowed to stand still while you are a suspect surrounded by 1-2 officers, shout Wait!!!!, then wait a few moments until cops lower their guns down to type and you blast them with combat right away?
Bottom line is that when you see a shootout its not your option to choose a party to help and start killing.
If someone involved really is your friend, offer him possibility to escape it the best you can do.
It is to avoid admins having to determine who shot who first, as well as that its kind of a dirty tactic to shoot someone in the back without warning.
Just for clarification, since we talk about dirty tactics, is it allowed to stand still while you are a suspect surrounded by 1-2 officers, shout Wait!!!!, then wait a few moments until cops lower their guns down to type and you blast them with combat right away?
If you shoot while the other person is typing a reply, that means you are failing at roleplay.
If you take out a gun and are ready to shoot, it should already be clear no typing could save the person you are preparing to shoot.
The wise man said;*nods with approval*
Top of cowardness I would call it... Though I wouldn't lower my gun until you are in cuffs as an officer, or under control.
Just for clarification, since we talk about dirty tactics, is it allowed to stand still while you are a suspect surrounded by 1-2 officers, shout Wait!!!!, then wait a few moments until cops lower their guns down to type and you blast them with combat right away?If you have in any way made it clear you are giving up, then you are not allowed to fight.
Alright, so I read the first few pages as most of the questions seemed to be asking of ways to continue taking out Combats out of eachother's asses and killing someone just because you are planning to "Take on the Derpliano family" and shoot everyone with the _Derpliano tag you see at the Derpliano HQ in HerpusDerpusBerry.
The only experience I have with Gang Wars is the AOD-Lost MC fight that recently erupted. Numerous times have I been attacked by Ballas just for having turf in Ganton, or for parking my bike over Idlewood. But that's the idea of DM, not Gang Wars. Gang wars, as the name states is the war between two GANGS, not one person versus the whole group. Now back to my original idea here...Roleplay is the main force between the two MCs. And both of the sides dislike it when someone just comes and starts blasting just for having different sides. Before this whole thing started we both agreed for a OOC meeting(Yes, I use IC/OOC, and you can't do shit about it) in which we discussed how the war will go, making our own rules when the two sides clash. Every time we face off in groups both sides ask eachother if they are fine with a shootout/brawl and etc. And we also make sure we know exactly WHY the other side came over. My question is...The Lost MC and the AOD made their own rules for the war between the two groups, but what if an admin sees the brawl without knowing them? He will, in 85% or even more of the cases, jump straight to /kick [id] Deathmatching, disarm both sides and send them to admin jail. The Admin will do what without asking ANY questions if both sides agreed to the confrontation. So, is this fair? Do these rules about DM and punishments fall for two groups who KNOW they will have a shootout and both agree with it?
So, is this fair? Do these rules about DM and punishments fall for two groups who KNOW they will have a shootout and both agree with it?Even if it is organised, if you do not actually RP (and show admins RP) it is just organised TDM. Ofc if there is RP reason, you could always just send a PM to admin quickly summarising. And make sure other criteria in the FAQ are met. E.g. do not do your fight inside LSPD.
And also one wears purple and another wears green,they think this is single player and attack eatch other,then new players see this and start doing this.There's a large amount of new members to the community getting punished for being miss lead.people need to stop this before it gets even MORE out of hand here.
Time to read again..
Up, Read this carefully, opened for discussion.
What's worth discussing about it?
If it's not relevant for what's going on now, change it.
Ultimately it's community leaders call to decide the rules for gang wars.
What's with the 6pt font? This is 2014, not 1998, nobody's going to read this in 800×600 on a 14" screen.Zoom it then...
Zoom it then...No thanks. This is an important topic and putting its contents into tiny font isn't doing it any justice.
No thanks. This is an important topic and putting its contents into tiny font isn't doing it any justice.Define how "important" it is if you're so bothered about a quietly "small" text
Capable and serious webmasters follow best practices in web design, where even the default font size of these themes is now considered "too small".Get to the point directly and say it to webmasters' face intead of whining about a small text of a gaming community.
We will request the group leaders to reform the validation systemYou dont know how badly I wanted Validation system to Return :D. Great Job Traser
Define how "important" it is if you're so bothered about a quietly "small" textGandalf wrote it, it's stickied, and the title says "read VERY carefully". This is one of the rare cases where rules are actually written down somewhere instead of just being enforced haphazardly by some admins -- I believe this alone is enough to have the text written in size adjusted for reading.
Up, Read this carefully, opened for discussion.Why? There's barely one active group at the moment.. :eek:
You are kiddin me BundySo you're saying there's plenty of active groups to discuss a topic like this?
So you're saying there's plenty of active groups to discuss a topic like this?Yes, there are plenty of active groups to discuss a topic like that....but this is not the right topic to discuss it.
The court should get involved into this situations more often...Yes, and constitution should be updated but although it has been attempted, such attempts have been frustrated so far.
Yes, and constitution should be updated but although it has been attempted, such attempts have been frustrated so far.Step by step, the constitution have been doing well since 2009... I believe we need to fix Court House activity first, by adding more lawyers and expand their roles... and after that if you will still think that the constitution is outdated, then we would start working on it...
Yes, there are plenty of active groups to discuss a topic like that....but this is not the right topic to discuss it.
List them please.svensson is an enemy with all groups
Now, How is the court related to the subject of the topic?Do you honestly believe you can get a bunch of ruthless nigers(lol rekt word filter) to pay money because they got sued? I'd rather go for "search warrants" or "arrest warrants".
I believe that the court has power to control those families, if a family sued another family for law breaks that are in the constitution (For an example: disturbing peace), this could lead into great punishments, like forcing them to pay amount of money... or serve community services... , or even humiliate families by asking them to apology... such punishments are helpfull and would improve the RP skills of new families.
Such power would probably decrease amount of fights between families and add new roleplay into the game.
#DISCUSS
List them please.
Do you honestly believe you can get a bunch of ruthless nigers(lol rekt word filter) to pay money because they got sued? I'd rather go for "search warrants" or "arrest warrants".And thats what make the difference between me and you, I prefer new roleplay possibility(Without ending up killing each others) over police pursuits and arresting suspects/criminals...
I believe they mean active groups at WAR, as this is what the topic is about. And no, despite GSF and NBA, I doubt there's anyone else.
Svenssons hates everyone except NBA and Gvardias
Svenssons hates everyone except NBA and GvardiasCome at me bruh
1. Never fight another group because you hate them. Hate will not stop because of a fight, if you win you will provoke them in to a new fight, if you lose you will hate them more.Cyril the method you're asking for, wont happen in practice. Specially the location part. My advice is to read the last part of Gandalf's post about validations system, which was actually a good system, and talk about developing it again
2. Fight for honour, and fight with honour. Respect server rules as not returning, and do not try to find reasons to return like setting hits or spawning in or near the battleground. Respect other players and after the fight show you enjoyed, rather than giving a bad attitude.
3. Do not constantly repeat. Most family feuds have already no idea about what, when, who or why something started. They just kill each other because of seeing a tag. This is not how you should operatre.
4. If there is a large shootout, things end. After that any attack, provoking or killing single members is simple breaking servfer rules. Want to create a new battle ? Then find a GOOD reason, not do a random kill.
5. Ask admins to be present. In an open server, people may arrive who do not understand the rules or what is going on. And some players might in the heat of the battle lose their good intentions and start breaking rules. Admins, either neutral ones or from opposite sides working together, can then be invaluable for the atmosphere.
6. Do not gloat or provoke. If you have to comment on each others topic, instead of ' we pwned you losers' tell them 'good fight, it was very close'.
To be short, fight with respect and for respect.
We will request the group leaders to reform the validation system, so as to have a clear view on which groups are fighting and why. But in the mean time, understand that the next incident where groups are flaming each other and admins and rulebreaking during a large shootout will lead to long cooling-off times, and possible heavier punishments for all involved.
Original by Gandalf, Edited by Traser - 09-10-2014
I as the Founder of Gvardia Family, accepts and will follow our owner rules :Cyril the method you're asking for, wont happen in practice. Specially the location part. My advice is to read the last part of Gandalf's post about validations system, which was actually a good system, and talk about developing it again
as we can't keep having massive shootout everydays
ThoseWhich we can't see any sign of it, in recent wars.shootoutsRoleplays are keeping the server alive...
I can remove the location part if you wish. But for now we will try to apply this method as we can't keep having massive shootout everydays with members that don't even know what they are fighting for.We are allowed to RP as much we want as long as it's not related to the previous RPs.. Isn't that a rule?
We are allowed to RP as much we want as long as it's not related to the previous RPs.. Isn't that a rule?
Organised, mass DM fests, by Managers+. Oh boy, this is getting better and better :)Its actually Organised for "Known Ending" RPs, Acika ;)
DMers everywhere, this wasnt case in my time.
Its actually Organised for "Known Ending" RPs, Acika ;)Oh... this is how Lucianos do that.
DMers everywhere, this wasnt case in my time.lol'd
I can remove the location part if you wish. But for now we will try to apply this method as we can't keep having massive shootout everydays with members that don't even know what they are fighting for.Validation system, roleplay reason that both sides know, and you'll get a quality roleplay mafia wars, and in the same time they wont happen so often. Basicly bust the quality, and make it rare in the same time.
Validation system, roleplay reason that both sides know, and you'll get a quality roleplay mafia wars, and in the same time they wont happen so often. Basicly bust the quality, and make it rare in the same time.
Well..I lead a roleplay most of the time and i take full responsibility for my actions..it may end in a shootout BUT it is never a DM fest as I have a valid RP reason.True Luciano spirit. I'm really proud.
Rules are here to be followed
Well..I lead a roleplay most of the time and i take full responsibility for my actions..it may end in a shootout BUT it is never a DM fest as I have a valid RP reason.
Rules are here to be followed
Yes Lucianos are angels when it comes to rp :lol:We are. You are just jealous.
Yes Lucianos are angels when it comes to rp :lol:Thank you on your kind words. We appreciate it.
So basically the server is showing slight marks of activity and the first thing you decide to do is cut off the action?No, we must RP. The shooting is the least of the priorities.
People have to stop moaning when they die after a shootout, this is GTA. Do not limit shootouts, please.
No, we must RP. The shooting is the least of the priorities.
So basically the server is showing slight marks of activity and the first thing you decide to do is cut off the action?In my opinion one side is clearly weaker then another at this point and hence the reason of all this.
People have to stop moaning when they die after a shootout, this is GTA. Do not limit shootouts, please.
In my opinion one side is clearly weaker then another at this point and hence the reason of all this.
Leadership of another side is pretty tiny. I think that it can be solved on a few ways. I have a solution, if you're interested, hit me up.
So basically the server is showing slight marks of activity and the first thing you decide to do is cut off the action?
People have to stop moaning when they die after a shootout, this is GTA. Do not limit shootouts, please.
Oh... this is how Lucianos do that.
When we want to shoot we go on ParUni; picture is 3 days old.
(http://i.imgur.com/33LMkQs.png)
And when they want to roleplay, they go on Argonath.
Edit: PS: We have an interesting rule as you can notice. They may not shoot their founder, but i may shoot them. I really love it :lol:
So grouping up with 20+ members on 3 of your enemies into a corner and using "RP" as a reason to blow their brains out is okay? Because that sure happens often now with the Lucianos, and they seem pretty proud of it.
So grouping up with 20+ members on 3 of your enemies into a corner and using "RP" as a reason to blow their brains out is okay? Because that sure happens often now with the Lucianos, and they seem pretty proud of it.
You must have been living in a cave for the past year, this has happened to me and other people not just including Luciano's numerous times, don't act like the victim.
Luciano and their allies have been doing it more than others. They think it's a way of showing their pride.It doesn't matter who is doing it or who is doing it more. It's being done, an eye for an eye, my friend. I see ballas now using armor and combat shotguns, and I guess why but i thought it wasnt protocol, but w/e. We regroup and stick together, your men have the guts to come to us, and I respect that.
4. Alliances.
Mass alliances with many groups (that operate as a very large gang) are not allowed. Alliances such as the "Riff's alliance" and "The Commission" are not allowed, as they can cause segregation to smaller groups and have been known to cause deathmatching. Alliances between one clan/ group and another are ok.
Yea lol like you can limit someones brotherhood by rules.
First get realistic, second you might wanna answer Frank Hawk's msg, I know all of us are interested in hearing it.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=55914.0It's outdated man. While we're at forcing people into doing something, can we also force RP ? This will even solve the "Mass-DM" scenarios you're trying to cease.
It's outdated man.
This is true that one side is way weaker than the other.Even if this side has 50 allies, the amount of actual members on the OTHER side can get very large, making the numbers between both sides equal. Now, while I agree RP is top thing, i dont agree its mass dm. Both sides know very well with what is happening, it shouldnt a surprise to anyone if someone is shot. Rolling to another groups hood in a convoy is a suicide mission.
It actually goes against a Group & Clan rule.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=55914.0
We may have to enforce small alliances only. Group will have to select up to 2 or 3 groupsto ally with, not 7 or 8..
The funny thing is that the scenarios mentioned in that topic happened recently, so it fits pretty well in the present :)But doesn't change the fact that it is outdated. You need to understand that these constant shootouts are keeping the playerbase up. Enforce RP if you think people are DMing, not limiting shootouts. I'm quite inactive atm due to bad schedules but I've seen some pics. Things are out of control, but what the HQ presented as a solution is not. I said this before:
A certain active group provoking gang wars and brawls with another inactive group, and so dragging this group in game to fight back. Two groups fighting brought more cops and so player interactivity increased. Think about it.
But doesn't change the fact that it is outdated. You need to understand that these constant shootouts are keeping the playerbase up. Enforce RP if you think people are DMing, not limiting shootouts. I'm quite inactive atm due to bad schedules but I've seen some pics. Things are out of control, but what the HQ presented as a solution is not. I said this before::app: They think we dont roleplay, but we do, i dont see any complains from the other side that much, maybe some moaning but besides that its fine. A team just doesnt get criminal groups rp
Please, think of another solution to this BIG concern. This actually makes me thing the A-Team isn't capable of handling their duty, actually. Stop being lazy!
:app: They think we dont roleplay, but we do, i dont see any complains from the other side that much, maybe some moaning but besides that its fine. A team just doesnt get criminal groups rp
Criminal roleplay involved doing criminal activities and not be noticed by cops.This is not our fault. Yet the OWNER'S.
This is not our fault. Yet the OWNER'S.
We were told there will be scripted wars, where ?
We were told there would be territories for groups, so they could win something after a fight, where ?
How 'bout we leave it as it is ?
This is still in development, I asked about it yesterday.As well as 4/6 of rs5. Wonder when we will get it.
And no we won't leave it as it is because we don't want the server to turn into some RS4 TDM server.Hey there Manager Cyril, how about admins put some time into spectating it if it's legit or not ? I myself call the A-Team to spectate a lot and I never found a problem with it.
We will re-focus to the main principle of this server: roleplaying.Are you saying that RP wasn't this server's main principle before ? Enforce it. Get your jungle of rules about what is forcing to rp and what is not wanting to rp and throw them in a bin. Then make a new one, and a topic explaining it all. Then train the a-team. Then live happily ever after.
You are the one that doesn't get criminal roleplay.Do NOT put words in my mouth. I never said it was okay to go and blast everyone. Criminals kill eachother, whoever is getting killed by a criminal is involved IN the criminal world, we dont kill innocents. Many admins have a biased opinion, i dont see you guys saying anything for SAPD, but they wrongfully kill suspects all day. Most people on the admin team are high ranked LEO's, so it would be understandable why you think that way. Please, one day turn off /aduty and have no bias, and just watch how it happens, i think that will help. Sometimes we dont even want to participate in a war but thats impossible because the other side rolls up to our hoods with no phone call, we cant say no so we have to.
If you think being a criminal allows you to go and kill everyone you want then you are wrong.
Criminal roleplay involved doing criminal activities and not be noticed by cops.
Anyway, this issue is being discussed and a brainstorming has been opened on the Administration board.
I love it how another group knowing it cant win, starts a war and when it ends badly for them they go whining and claiming how others are DMing.Very good point acika, i agree. The "Brotherhood" is a roleplay term for Luciano and its friends, NOT alliances.
Of course noone wants to be on a losing side, people want to be with the best ones.
Also, calling former, official group a small group, must really hurt. And to answer Jov's question - putting a true leader, capable to organize others will help that group.
PS: Only official alliance out there is Gvardia - Luciano one as far as i know. Others are respected and friendly based.
Very good point acika, i agree. The "Brotherhood" is a roleplay term for Luciano and its friends, NOT alliances.
Sometimes we dont even want to participate in a war but thats impossible because the other side rolls up to our hoods with no phone call, we cant say no so we have to.That's what happening from the last few days, we really had no choice other than answer them!
Alliance: a merging of efforts or interests by persons, families, states, or organizations.Are you here everyday when that happens? Do you know exact numbers? It takes this many groups in a brotherhood to equal them. Most of the time we are out numbered but that doesnt stop us. Last night there was 20 of the brotherhood and about the same number of CM and NBA. I dont see the problem here.
This is exactly what is happening when you are all grouping together against Ballas-CM.
Dear Peter, my old Luciano,
Let me clear something for you.
Group that came to SF (out of its town) to start a fight is Corleone, criminal mafia, Ballas, local gang, Svenssons, farmers and random players.
(I personally dont see how are these groups connected, roleplay wise)
Another group are all mafias. Gvardia-Luciano(Allied over years); Vendito, Forlenza, Falcone - most of the members and leaders of these groups were mostly Luciano and Gvardia members. We, me personally, supported them when they decided to open their own families and offered our help.
- Do you see a clear difference between groups ?
- Do you want to force all of these players, from group B, to come back, put their tag they used to have and have two families on one side ? (Which i think is really bad because more groups have much more to offer to the server)
Luciano, over years, was supporting new players, accepting them and helping them-making friends, while other side was playing a different way.
The way they worked is what they are getting back now.
4. Alliances.CM Daniel:
Mass alliances with many groups (that operate as a very large gang) are not allowed. Alliances such as the "Riff's alliance" and "The Commission" are not allowed, as they can cause segregation to smaller groups and have been known to cause deathmatching. Alliances between one clan/ group and another are ok.
You're changing the definition of "Alliance", Acika/Ricky.
CM Daniel:This application for Riff's Alliance was from 2007, 5 years before the mass alliance rule was created.
As long as this won't turn into a DMing fiasco like The Commission, I'll give it a shot ;)
Org. Name: The Corleone Maffia
First leader: Daniel_Corleone
2nd in command: None chosen yet
HQ: Mansion in Mullholland
City your build in: Los Santos & Countryside
^ Application for the Riffs Alliance... How ironic.
I'm not talking about the yesterday and our recent wars, admins/managers were in the scene and they know everything which they are supposed to know.Well said, that's why you need help from administration now.
That's the point exactly, there is bunch of new families nowadays, which all of them are leading by Luciano/Gvardia "directly".
We will help everyone, not those one who "asking us to join the family only", even if they are an enemy group member.
True, we don't let every strangers to put on our tags and walk around us, but yeah we will help those strangers to be a Veteran, then they can feel free to apply, its simple.
This application for Riff's Alliance was from 2007, 5 years before the mass alliance rule was created.
Yes, we can.No you cant, you can just make it pointless, believe me I already know five ways to make it legit.
As I was not aware of group rules and stuff, by reading them, I came to the point that some groups are currently breaking most of the rules that were made for them.
We will now start applying them. I don't care if you like or not.
I'm not inventing them, they were made by Gandalf.
Perhaps you missed the part where i said 5 years. Do you have any idea how much the server/community has changed since 2007? Not just from a script standpoint, but the community as a whole is nothing like it was in 2007.
Yeah but he is shunning what his boss signed up for.
Dear Peter, my old Luciano,
Let me clear something for you.
Group that came to SF (out of its town) to start a fight is Corleone, criminal mafia, Ballas, local gang, Svenssons, farmers and random players.
(I personally dont see how are these groups connected, roleplay wise)
Another group are all mafias. Gvardia-Luciano(Allied over years); Vendito, Forlenza, Falcone - most of the members and leaders of these groups were mostly Luciano and Gvardia members. We, me personally, supported them when they decided to open their own families and offered our help.
- Do you see a clear difference between groups ?
- Do you want to force all of these players, from group B, to come back, put their tag they used to have and have two families on one side ? (Which i think is really bad because more groups have much more to offer to the server)
Luciano, over years, was supporting new players, accepting them and helping them-making friends, while other side was playing a different way.
The way they worked is what they are getting back now.
I have no issue with all these battles in-game - it's positive for the community and actively increasing player turnover which is great.Exactly, why the hell is everybody crying? A couple of months ago there weren't even players online... :uhm:
I disagree with you.I can't recall that the past fights were groove vs ballas - gang wars, they were mafia wars.
- GSF is the core reason for our interaction, since Luciano decided to intervene between NBA and GSF (giving protection to GSF).
- Gvardia was dragged into this, since they are allied to GSF.
- Corleone was dragged into the wider strategic battle of Los Santos (being rivals with Gvardia and Luciano)
The above is a perfectly valid reason for the role plays being seen in-game.
Luciano is not only responsible for developing new criminals - the NBA is very active at it too and it forms part of our core mission.
I have no issue with all these battles in-game - it's positive for the community and actively increasing player turnover which is great.
I can't recall that the past fights were groove vs ballas - gang wars, they were mafia wars.
I understand what you want to say, but it's not what its all about here.
What is happening here is:
Group A organises and attacks group B - Perfect, all fine
Group B organises and attacks group A - Rulebreak
Thanks for your response - though it would be prudent not to comment on the wider picture when you're not involved from the beginning.The things you mentioned happened before i came back to the server and i am perfectly informed about that.
My post summarises how all these groups and 'super groups' came into interaction forming a valid reason to RP with each other.
This is exactly what is happening when you are all grouping together against Ballas-CM.I understand your view on double standard, but this is my view on this.
Exactly, why the hell is everybody crying? A couple of months ago there weren't even players online... :uhm:
The prosperity of this server lays with criminals - they are the backbone and economic driver of our community.Try explaining that to your former newbie.
Try explaining that to your former newbie.
- We remind everyone that roleplay comes from BOTH side.If one doesn't want to RP should we /report and what result could we possibly expect by that ? Personally, I blast people who don't RP with me and bring up lame excuses.
Well we are supposed to end the war here but today's incident did nothing as they just provoked it again by killing 3 of our forlenza members(Cyril knows this as he stated himself as a DM and they didn't give us a chance to RP) for no reason and the reason they stated is that Leave the LS and we are not even from LS so why we are forcing to leave the town?Since noone wants to answer you, i will.
Proposals:
- Gang wars are allowed
- Roleplay must be your priority over the willing to shoot or kill your enemy.
- We expect group leaders to make sure there is a proper roleplay displayed during encounters.
- We remind everyone that roleplay comes from BOTH side.
- Please do not attack another group for silly reasons. You need solid grounds.
- All the participants should know the reason what they are fighting for and not just hop in to have fun killing people.
- Killing should be used as a LAST RESORT. I'm sure you can find ways to roleplay with each other without just blasting each other faces.
- Once the shootout is over, the roleplay ends. You can't come anymore for the same reason as a revenge.
You shouldn't think, but if a rival member is showing off in your turf, its a direct provocation toward you and your group, and if no other ways such as warnings or beating up, doesnt make him leave, I think we all agree that killing is the approved last resort.
- Turf: You shouldn't think about killing a player because he is on your territory as long as he doesn't disrupt your business/activities.
- We remind everyone that roleplay comes from BOTH sideValidation system would solve this. After all, its what Gandalf said that criminal leaders together with HQ should develop on this same topic.
Yet they call us DMers.. If you see a Luciano that is not roleplaying ... Wake up .. Its just a bad dream. :app::app: