(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/09/article-2171033-13FE763A000005DC-811_634x515.jpg) (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/09/article-2171033-13FE6A02000005DC-709_634x410.jpg) (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/09/article-2171033-13FEEA6D000005DC-670_306x423.jpg) (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/09/article-2171033-13FEEA7A000005DC-615_634x446.jpg) (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/09/article-2171033-13FE7B9B000005DC-435_634x646.jpg) (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/09/article-2171033-13FEA8C8000005DC-737_306x561.jpg) (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/09/article-2171033-13FEEA3B000005DC-341_634x425.jpg) (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/09/article-2171033-13FEA8BC000005DC-581_634x517.jpg) | Armed police were last night hunting a gunman who shot dead an off-duty policeman. Ian Dibell, 41, was blasted in the head at close range when he raced to investigate an incident near his home. Witnesses said shots were being fired wildly by a man chasing two of his neighbours. He hit one of them in the leg and hit Mr Dibell with another round as the officer ran across the road to help. He died at the scene. Essex police have named the gunman as Peter Reeve and have told residents of Clacton-on-Sea to stay indoors. Neighbours said the 64 year old loner and the pair he was pursuing had been locked in a long-running feud over noise and parking. I saw the guy running out chasing two people out of the building into the street, said one resident. A girl and a guy in their 30s ranout and I could see this man firing potshots at them. The woman was screaming and as she ran off he took aim at the guy. He fired about three shots and one caught the man and he went down. He was shouting help, help to the off duty policeman. Next thing I knew a shot was fired and the policeman was on the floor. I think he was shot in the head but it all happened so quickly. He was off duty and in jeans at the time it was just a case of being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Eric Long, 80, said he looked out of his living room window to see Reeve holding a firearm. I heard a bang I had been asleep then heard it. I spent 30 years in the air force so I knew what it was, he added. I saw him standing with some kind of revolver. He was chasing somebody, firing as he went. I then saw the black man running down the street. He looked like he might have fallen over and he had his phone glued to his ear. Something just got too much. He had asked for help before this guy lived below him and they clashed. The way I look at it there was just no way of stopping him it was a build-up of things. Some people get tense and then just eventually explode. He was very pleasant to speak to but he had certain views on how the world should be he has certain standards. Armed police raced to Fairlop Close at about 3.30pm yesterday after a flurry of 999 calls. Mr Dibell, who lived close by in Redbridge Road, was treated in the street by paramedics but died before he could be put into an ambulance. His girlfriend, Louise Lilley, 40, a police support officer in East Clacton, was being comforted by colleagues and a family liaison officer last night. Neighbours said Reeve, who came from Cornwall, reappeared in the street two minutes after the shots were fired and sped off in his car. One resident said he was a nice chap and a very smart man who was known for helping other elderly neighbours. He said: Ive known him for a long time. He probably has the nicest decorated flat in the whole place. Sandra Johnson, 45, said: I heard a lot of commotion around half three. I was in my kitchen with my window open so I could hear a lot of noise. But I just thought it was a row. I just want it to be over. Im a bit scared as I have a 15yearold daughter. Its very quiet here usually and we arent used to this noise so it was a bit of a shock. A police spokesman described Reeve as 5ft 10in with short greyish hair and wearing jeans and possibly glasses. They warned people not to approach him and to dial 999 if they saw him or any suspicious activity. A police helicopter and dog teams joined the search as forensic experts combed Fairlop Close and Redbridge Road for clues and erected a gazebo over where Mr Dibell fell. Speaking last night, Paul McKeever, chairman of the Police Federation, said it was a very sad day indeed. He added: Our thoughts are with the family and friends of our colleague who has been killed in Essex. Every police officer in the country is thinking of our colleagues in Essex who are hunting the gunman. Mark Smith, chairman of the Essex Police Federation, said: This is a terrible tragedy and our thoughts and prayers are with Pc Ian Dibells family, friends and colleagues at this extremely sad time. Constable Ian Dibell was a dedicated professional officer who, even though off duty, has paid the ultimate sacrifice for his bravery and selfless actions in trying to protect his local community. This appalling incident highlights the dangers that police officers face every day. No words can help those closest to Pc Dibell at this terribly distressing time but I hope they will find some comfort in knowing that the loss of this brave man is mourned by the entire police family throughout the United Kingdom. Ashley Jones, 41, owner of nearby tanning and beauty salon Ultra-Violet, said last night: Ive been here for 18 years and its not a bad place but its definitely got worse over the past two years. The shooting took place a few miles from Frinton-on-Sea where police marksman Brian Bishop was killed by an armed robber in August 1984. He died in hospital four months after he was shot while challenging a post office robber. |
Thats what happens when you don't give cops guns in a world where guns are so easy to access.
USA made a huge mistake. Giving out guns so easily. Police officers in USA wear their gun always, which means criminals also will use guns.
It is not hard to get a gun no matter what country you are in. Guns save officers lives not the opposite, had this officer had a gun he could have defended himself.
Ok. Let's look at it.POPULATION OF NORWAY: APPROXIMATELY 5 MILLION
In 2007 in USA, there were 12,129 homicide with firearm.
In 2007 in Norway, there were around 5-20 homicide with firearm.
POPULATION OF NORWAY: APPROXIMATELY 5 MILLION
POPULATION OF USA: APPROXIMATELY 312 MILLION
POPULATION OF NORWAY: APPROXIMATELY 5 MILLION312 / 5 = 62.4
POPULATION OF USA: APPROXIMATELY 312 MILLION
This is tragic. It's horrible to see a police officer off-duty getting killed. It's horrible.While tragic, it is evident he made a severe error in judgement.
had this officer had a gun he could have defended himself.So you're saying he had time to unholster his gun, make it fire-ready, aim and shoot while the criminal quickly blasted him through the head?
Ok. Let's look at it.
In 2007 in USA, there were 12,129 homicide with firearm.
In 2007 in Norway, there were around 5-20 homicide with firearm.
Well I guess the government should act this time. He is not the first nor the last cop getting killed like that in the USA.
This was in the UK, by the way.Oh, my bad. :lol:
Getting a weapon is a piece of cake in most countries, and sometimes the price can be ridiculous. The question is what the hell is state doing, instead of stopping the flow of weapons coming from abroad that will minimize crimes, they wait for events like that to happen in order to take action.
This reminds me of two police officers that were killed in my neighbourhood last year, may he rest in peace.
Theese mad people have nothing else to do than just wave around with their guns and shoot at people, I bet they even dont have a job and find it to be exciting breaking laws.
And this is why you should have a fire-arm near by.
Untill you own a gun, you have no idea how much safer you feel, even if its a false hope, its still better then nothing. And if some big mean mother hubbard tries tearing me a structurally superfluous new behind, i'm sure as hell not gonna sit there and let him shoot me, at least ill have the chance to take him down first, and if not, hes going down with me :lol:And most probably he will take the gun from you, earning him a free gun and getting you killed.
Guns don't make you feel safe, but powerfulOne of the most intelligent comment in this thread.
One of the most intelligent comment in this thread.
And most probably he will take the gun from you, earning him a free gun and getting you killed.
Saving 90% of gun deaths sure does not outweigh the false hope...
Untill you own a gun, you have no idea how much safer you feel, even if its a false hope, its still better then nothing. And if some big mean mother hubbard tries tearing me a structurally superfluous new behind, i'm sure as hell not gonna sit there and let him shoot me, at least ill have the chance to take him down first, and if not, hes going down with me :lol:
I feel quite safe right now thank you
USA made a huge mistake. Giving out guns so easily. Police officers in USA wear their gun always, which means criminals also will use guns.Violent crimes are higher in the UK than in the USA, you know?
Violent crimes are higher in the UK than in the USA, you know?Show the proof.
More guns = less crime because everyone knows everyone's packing heat. This is an actual proven fact. ;)
Show the proof.
Show the proof.http://www.rense.com/general9/gunlaw.htm (http://www.rense.com/general9/gunlaw.htm)
None of that is proof, all are biased texts from gun-happy organisations.Google Kennesaw, Georgia and you'll find that the town did in fact place a law saying every head of the household needs to own a gun and ammo. Crimes DID drop in that town and they crime rate is still low today.
You can not provide statistics, because if you would compare them they would be very against your statements. Just as Safetymoose showed the number of gun deaths in the US is 10x as high as in Norway, even corrected for population. And that in the year Breivik shot 69 people....
Google Kennesaw, Georgia and you'll find that the town did in fact place a law saying every head of the household needs to own a gun and ammo. Crimes DID drop in that town and they crime rate is still low today.I am askig you to show comparative statistics between the USA and Europe where there are strict gun laws, not some inbred town of 5 cows and a horse.
Simply because we have idiot ''gangsters'' who think they're cool. Guns are used 80 times more for self defense then crime. (2004)
not some inbred town of 5 cows and a horse.Go to Kennesaw and tell them that. :rofl:
I am askig you to show comparative statistics between the USA and Europe where there are strict gun laws, not some inbred town of 5 cows and a horse.You may have seen comparisons of some European country's homicide figures vs those in the USA .
I am askig you to show comparative statistics between the USA and Europe where there are strict gun laws, not some inbred town of 5 cows and a horse.
Thats what happens when you don't give cops guns in a world where guns are so easy to access.Guns are near impossible to get in the UK (and parts of Ireland) without being part of an organised gang, thats one of the reasons police over here don't carry guns, another thing, a couple of years ago police were actually asked if they wanted guns, %80 of them said no because they wanted to maintain their classic British police appeal (Bobby appeal), when armed police are needed, fully trained ones turn up, not just every trigger happy moron like some of those you see in the US. :redface:
Guns are near impossible to get in the UK (and parts of Ireland) without being part of an organised gang, thats one of the reasons police over here don't carry guns, another thing, a couple of years ago police were actually asked if they wanted guns, %80 of them said no because they wanted to maintain their classic British police appeal (Bobby appeal), when armed police are needed, fully trained ones turn up, not just every trigger happy moron like some of those you see in the US. :redface:
Like someones already said, every moron in America can get a gun by simply clicking their fingers..
wow man, no need for the insults. I'm sure if I had said something similar I would have been forum warned again, lead by example man. Just because some of us own guns does not suddenly make us inbred rednecks..... :neutral:I was referring to the town, not to the person. You want to state that that town in Georgia is anything more?
I was referring to the town, not to the person. You want to state that that town in Georgia is anything more?
So its clear that you have to resort to very strange methods to defend. Perhaps we will count every death the US army has caused in your camp? That would certainly change the numbers.....
You may have seen comparisons of some European country's homicide figures vs those in the USA .
So its now OK to insult people based on where they live? Cool, thanks for the heads up.I gave a proper description of the town, been there.
I gave a proper description of the town, been there.
Sure you have.Indeed. Visited the Super Show in Atlanta, and as the taxi driver lost his way, came through it.
Indeed. Visited the Super Show in Atlanta, and as the taxi driver lost his way, came through it.
ill have to remember this excuse the next time I get forum banned for making a negative comment about a certain place.I am telling the truth, you would lie. That is the difference.
I am telling the truth, you would lie. That is the difference.Implying you could prove if I have or have not visited a certain place. Just as its incredibly convenient of you to say you have visited a place without the ability for anyone to disprove it.
Implying you could prove if I have or have not visited a certain place. Just as its incredibly convenient of you to say you have visited a place without the ability for anyone to disprove it.If the place would have been in Texas I would not have been able to comment on it.
Guns are just like cops. People only focus on the bad stories and then judge everything based on the very few bad cases over the many, many good cases where they save lives.With a similar chart you can prove that handgun supply effects Global warming.
Guns slow down the property crime rate (especially burglaries). The chart shows the handgun supply in America to the property crime rate.(http://reflow.scribd.com/5ziagi968013jdju/images/image-4.jpg)
60% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed. 40% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they thought the victim might be armed.
Source: Armed and Considered Dangerous: A Survey of Felons and Their Firearms, James Wright and Peter
Rossi, Aldine, 1986
You could say that about any graph then, so if your trying to make the argument now that graphs should not be used for any stat comparison, you have bigger issues then gun control.Nothing strange, as criminals wish to live and not get caught.
A survey of felons revealed the following:
74% of felons agreed that "one reason burglars avoid houses when people are at
home is that they fear being shot during the crime."
57% of felons polled agreed, "criminals are more worried about meeting an armed
victim than they are about running into the police."
Source: The Armed Criminal in America: A Survey of Incarcerated Felons, U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics
Federal Firearms Offenders study, 1997: National Institute of Justice, Research Report, July 1985,
Department of Justice
Nothing strange, as criminals wish to live and not get caught.
Is there any research that shows these percentages have changed over time?
I would get you a graph but you would just pull another global warming comment on it im sure.Just consider this:
60% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed. 40% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they thought the victim might be armed.
Source: Armed and Considered Dangerous: A Survey of Felons and Their Firearms, James Wright and Peter Rossi, Aldine, 1986
A survey of felons revealed the following:What would happen in one year that could cause such an incredible change in statistical evidence?
74% of felons agreed that "one reason burglars avoid houses when people are at
home is that they fear being shot during the crime."
57% of felons polled agreed, "criminals are more worried about meeting an armed
victim than they are about running into the police."
Source: The Armed Criminal in America: A Survey of Incarcerated Felons, U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics
Federal Firearms Offenders study, 1997: National Institute of Justice, Research Report, July 1985,
Department of Justice
Just consider this:What would happen in one year that could cause such an incredible change in statistical evidence?
The first statistic is from a poll on convicted felons for any crime, the second is a poll that focuses on only criminals known to take part in break and enters and burglaries.I am not confused, I just show you that you are misusing statistics to make a point you can not hold.
They are two completely different statistics that you are confusing yourself with.
I am not confused, I just show you that you are misusing statistics to make a point you can not hold.
As for the change in these statistincs over time, I am waiting for your data...
How is it a miss use? They are tow completely different statistics. One is focused on thieves, the other is all criminals. The point the second stats makes is that burglaries are prevented by guns. The first is a similar question directed to the mass of criminals instead of one particular type. Stop trying to make it look like im the one whos confused when you clearly can;t tell the difference between two f**king statistics.You simply have not facts to throw at me, which is why you pretend not to want to.
Im not going to keep throwing solid, hard facts at you only for you to try and turn the argument in a direction that makes me look wrong simply because you have no clean rebuttal and can't understand the facts provided.
Going to sleep, almost 6 AM, Ill pick this up when I wake up if you decide to actual understand the difference between two different polls on two different demographics.
Guns slow down the property crime rate (especially burglaries). The chart shows the handgun supply in America to the property crime rate.Your graph is of property crime, which includes a lot of different type.
Its a lot easier to get guns in the UK then you say it is. You don't need to be in a gang to get a gun. trust me, Here in Canada we have just as strict gun laws as you do and we know how easy it is for a person to get an illegal weapon.Come to the UK and try to get hold of a gun then, you'll either spend a long time trying or get arrested in the act.
Come to the UK and try to get hold of a gun then, you'll either spend a long time trying or get arrested in the act.
You simply have not facts to throw at me, which is why you pretend not to want to.
Kennesaw, GA. A town of 4 cows and horse. Yet it has 30,000 people. Almost the same size as my town near one of the biggest cities in the US. ohohohohohoho
Gun haters will be haters, they will be the first to die when someone breaks into their home with a gun while Safetymoose and I will chill with some beers in our nice, not broken into homes. :cool:
I gave a proper description of the town, been there.I drove through Russia once, full of drunken idiots standing around a dancing bear. But of course, I can totally say this because I drove through this town once.
A Man has just broken in to your families home at night with a gun. He has the intent to harm your wife, harm your children and he does not give a shit about you. What do you do?That's a very unlikely situation, since I live in the UK and thus there's going to be fuck all people with a gun excluding organised criminals. More likely a guy with a bat or a knife.
Keep living in your sheltered little world if you honestly think its that hard to get a gun.I showed to a very different staristic, you ignore it.
Even when I explain the difference to you your still don't understand? Wow, your either playing some sort of game or your a complete idiot even when presented with two completely different stats, you play the retards game of saying they are the same haha, man I have met some stupid people in my life but that takes the cake. Here, if you have the mental ability to read a paper thats this long, give it a go, if not, at least this time don't give me the "Hur dur I dont understand so ill try and make it look like the other persons wrong to hide my stupidity" card.
http://gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/5.1/gun-facts-5.1-print.pdf (http://gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/5.1/gun-facts-5.1-print.pdf)
Everything in that is sourced.
Now, lets try this the childrens way? I'm sure you like games? lets do some "What If" situations shall we?(http://chanarchive.org/content/2_v/107505700/1314004439157s.jpg)
*Boom* *Boom* *Boom*
A Man has just broken in to your families home at night with a gun. He has the intent to harm your wife, harm your children and he does not give a shit about you. What do you do?
Kennesaw, GA. A town of 4 cows and horse. Yet it has 30,000 people. Almost the same size as my town near one of the biggest cities in the US. ohohohohohohoThat it is near the city does not mean its big itself. You are sitting near an intelligent person and what are you?
Gun haters will be haters, they will be the first to die when someone breaks into their home with a gun while Safetymoose and I will chill with some beers in our nice, not broken into homes. :cool:
Gandalf just tries to be all knowing and look like some sort of leader but can;t even handle solid facts being presented to him so he gets all butt hurt and tries to make the other person look wrong in a desperate attempt to make himself look smart. I can't wait for him to answer my question above. What is he going to do? use his magic on a rapist in his home :DWhat facts did you present that I asked you to? ZERO.
I drove through Russia once, full of drunken idiots standing around a dancing bear. But of course, I can totally say this because I drove through this town once.Correct description.
Lead by example.
As for that situation, I would tell you but you would not believe me anyway.
That it is near the city does not mean its big itself. You are sitting near an intelligent person and what are you?Only if you're an idiot who knows nothing about guns.
And when someone breaks in to your house you will be shot with your own gun and be happy about it.
Big fuss about guns and all, but if you ever killed someone you would probably be better dead...ask your country's Army(U.S.), where there is more deaths by suicide then by enemy fire...It's never fun to have to shoot someone, unless like you said, you're a psychopath, but you have to do what you have to do to protect yourself, your family, or your friends.
http://theconversation.edu.au/the-other-enemy-suicide-now-the-biggest-killer-of-american-troops-7659 (http://theconversation.edu.au/the-other-enemy-suicide-now-the-biggest-killer-of-american-troops-7659)
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=9162 (http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=9162)
I have talked to a lot of American gun-lovers, and all of them think that they are some kind of Hollywood action movie characters and think that pushing the trigger against someone is like a walk in the park. It isn't, unless you're a Psychopath.
It's never fun to have to shoot someone, unless like you said, you're a psychopath, but you have to do what you have to do to protect yourself, your family, or your friends.When was the last time you killed someone in real life?
When was the last time you killed someone in real life?He killed a fly....
When was the last time you killed someone in real life?Never? But you still haven't answered Safetymoose's question, have you?
Thats what happens when you don't give cops guns in a world where guns are so easy to access.That's what happens when you try to restrict weapons and fail to. If everyone is packing, cops should too. There are actually less shootings when everyone has a gun because no one is going to risk shooting someone else when they know they are likely armed. This works even better when everyone is properly trained on using them too.
When was the last time you killed someone in real life?
That's what happens when you try to restrict weapons and fail to. If everyone is packing, cops should too. There are actually less shootings when everyone has a gun because no one is going to risk shooting someone else when they know they are likely armed. This works even better when everyone is properly trained on using them too.
My heart goes out to the officer's family. May he rest in peace.
Another brother in blue fallen after crossing the Thin, Blue Line...
Drawing a weapon on someone or even shooting them does not mean they die.To be fair if you shoot someone, you shoot to kill. If you don't kill them then whatever, but there's no "safe disabling shot" and in actual fact shooting someone in the leg or something might suggest to police/courts that you had a lot of time to consider your actions, so you're probably better off just aiming at the chest and shooting to kill.
To be fair if you shoot someone, you shoot to kill. If you don't kill them then whatever, but there's no "safe disabling shot" and in actual fact shooting someone in the leg or something might suggest to police/courts that you had a lot of time to consider your actions, so you're probably better off just aiming at the chest and shooting to kill.
You obviously have no idea how cops are trained over here.Actually he is right to a degree on the first part of his post. If you are forced to draw your weapon and fire, you're shooting to take the subject down. You're taught to not hesitate in these situations once firing as an officer. Just plainly drawing your weapon is a different story, however.
Actually he is right to a degree on the first part of his post. If you are forced to draw your weapon and fire, you're shooting to take the subject down. You're taught to not hesitate in these situations once firing as an officer. Just plainly drawing your weapon is a different story, however.
@Panda specifically: In the event of a non-lethal shot being taken, it would be argued that the officer should have instead used a lesser-lethal weapon, rather than a firearm, if they were specifically only attempting to disable the suspect without the intent to kill.
Im talking about drawing your weapon. If Im actually going to pull the trigger then we do it with the full intention of taking a life.Yes, that would be correct then.
@Panda specifically: In the event of a non-lethal shot being taken, it would be argued that the officer should have instead used a lesser-lethal weapon, rather than a firearm, if they were specifically only attempting to disable the suspect without the intent to kill.Yea, but in my case I was thinking about a civilian in the home, although now I realise that I didn't actually point that out. :redface:
Drawing a weapon on someone or even shooting them does not mean they die. You seem to have the mindset that all guns do are kill people. Yes, there intended purpose is as a weapon to cause harm, but you can't seem to see past the violence and understand the self defence aspect. What, if this was the 1700 would you be against people owning swords? I have never had to kill someone, simply drawing a weapon on them makes them stop which is why guns are needed to keep the peace and to defend ones family and property.Wel Mr Trigger Happy Redneck, I will answer the question as soon as you will provide me with what I asked. However as I said, you are not going to believe my answer anyway.
Now, Go ahead and answer my question, or you can keep avoiding it and continue proving my point that you know jack shit about this topic.
Post Merge: July 17, 2012, 02:22:10 am
This is the point every realistic person in this thread is trying to point out, but certain people here seem to be confused and think every gun owner is a trigger happy redneck. Morons.
Never? But you still haven't answered Safetymoose's question, have you?So tell me how would you know that if there is a man with a gun standing in your room, you will even be able to get yours and use it?
Wel Mr Trigger Happy Redneck, I will answer the question as soon as you will provide me with what I asked. However as I said, you are not going to believe my answer anyway.
So tell me how would you know that if there is a man with a gun standing in your room, you will even be able to get yours and use it?You should be able to. More than likely, I wouldn't allow someone to get close to my room.
So tell me how would you know that if there is a man with a gun standing in your room, you will even be able to get yours and use it?
>implying I just have every statistic you want sitting on my desktop.Ok so you admit that there are ZERO statistics that prove guns avoid crime. Thanks you.
Do i look like a f**king library? or am I now supposed to go out and find every statistic known to man simply because you ask for it? Now how about you stop avoiding my question with your little excuse of I wont believe you and start talking, maybe even explain why you have such a huge hate towards guns and gun owners? Stop going around in circles and answer the very simple question I provided you. or maybe you don;t know what you would do, maybe your wife and kids would get raped because you failed to act.. not my problem what happens to them in the end though.
You should be able to. More than likely, I wouldn't allow someone to get close to my room.Muahahaha.... os at might you wake up and there is a guy standing in your room with a gun... and you tell him to wait a second while you get yours from the safe....
What, you think im going to own a gun and not keep it with me? :rofl:So you will let it lying where your kids can find it and pull the trigger on each other by accident. Great.
Ok so you admit that there are ZERO statistics that prove guns avoid crime. Thanks you.
As for your question, he would be disarmed and neutralized without the usage of a gun.
So you will let it lying where your kids can find it and pull the trigger on each other by accident. Great.
What, you think im going to own a gun and not keep it with me? :rofl:Honey, if I walk into your house with my favourite AK, you will be dead before you can shit your pants, even if you sleep with a bazooka.
Honey, if I walk into your house with my favourite AK, you will be dead before you can shit your pants, even if you sleep with a bazooka.Maybe the case, but there is always the chance I hear/ know your coming. if i'm going to die any ways in that one situation what does having or not having a gun really matter?
It doesn't matter, if you have a gun or not, when you are already dead.
Maybe the case, but there is always the chance I hear/ know your coming. if i'm going to die any ways in that one situation what does having or not having a gun really matter?The point is that your pew-pew is pointless when you are against someone with skill. And when the wannabe-killer is a retard, you can take him out even without a gun.
What a flawed attempt at an argument.
I provided a very nice booklet of referenced statistics relating to guns preventing crime. so why don;t you try again and this time tone down on being a prick?I aksed you:
And how would you do that, throw your pillow at him? :roll:It would be a better action as to offer my wife while I get my gun from the safe as what would have to be your action.
Act like an idiot, get answered as one.
Nice to know the owner of this community can't even have a half decent argument without being a child and trying to twist peoples words out of context to make himself look smart.
You sleep with a holstered gun? your wife will love it.
Post Merge: July 17, 2012, 09:53:57 am
You trying to say kids are going to unclip a gun from a holster on my waist without me knowing? Wow your stupid.
You sleep with a holstered gun? your wife will love it.
Act like an idiot, get answered as one.(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/Strikeninja95/black_guys_laughing.gif)
You sleep with a holstered gun? your wife will love it.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/Strikeninja95/black_guys_laughing.gif)I am not the one trying to hide lack of substance with getting angry and insults.
The same can be said from my side as well
Girls who like guns are my kind of girls :cool:
Girls who like guns are my kind of girls :cool:You don't seriously sleep with a gun do you?
Muahahaha.... os at might you wake up and there is a guy standing in your room with a gun... and you tell him to wait a second while you get yours from the safe....A gun for home defense should never be kept in a safe, what's the use of a locked gun?
A gun for home defense should never be kept in a safe, what's the use of a locked gun?Don't know what the question was but if your country wasnt such a criminal pit and had a good police organization you wouldn't need guns in your house. :lol:
and i don't believe you've answered safetymoose's question?
Don't know what the question was but if your country wasnt such a criminal pit and had a good police organization you wouldn't need guns in your house. :lol:
You don't seriously sleep with a gun do you?
Thats funny coming from someone who lives in the Violent Crime capitol of Europe :roll:I don't see any violence, there was the London riots but thats as much violence I've seen in a long time, plus you can say the UK is violent but still nobody has guns, and if they do it's illegal, saying that my neighbor 4 doors down has 3 rifles in his house, he used to own a farm but moved into this area, 2 community officers visit his house once every 2 weeks to make sure it's kept completely locked up in a cabinet, IMO DailyMail just over-rated it..
I don't see any violence, there was the London riots but thats as much violence I've seen in a long time, plus you can say the UK is violent but still nobody has guns, and if they do it's illegal, saying that my neighbor 4 doors down has 3 rifles in his house, he used to own a farm but moved into this area, 2 community officers visit his house once every 2 weeks to make sure it's kept completely locked up in a cabinet, IMO DailyMail just over-rated it..just because you don't see it, don't mean it doesn't exist.
Don't know what the question was but if your country wasnt such a criminal pit and had a good police organization you wouldn't need guns in your house. :lol:our police force is mighty strong, actually.
A gun for home defense should never be kept in a safe, what's the use of a locked gun?If it is not locked you run the risk your kids find it and shoot you or themselves with it by accident.
and i don't believe you've answered safetymoose's question?
If it is not locked you run the risk your kids find it and shoot you or themselves with it by accident.This is why you properly teach your kids about gun safety. if done correctly and your kids not some sort of maniac, they'll never touch the guns.
As far as the question, I answered it, you must be too lazy to read.
This is why you properly teach your kids about gun safety. if done correctly and your kids not some sort of maniac, they'll never touch the guns.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
This is why you properly teach your kids about gun safety. if done correctly and your kids not some sort of maniac, they'll never touch the guns.Bullcrap, you can never eliminate a kid's curiousity.
Bullcrap, you can never eliminate a kid's curiousity.Yes you can.
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that way you can still intimidate the "potential robber" who tries to hurt your familyOr scare him so that he uses his gun to shoot you. Having the gun unloaded is pointless, as you cannot open fire first if the intruder goes to do the same.
Or scare him so that he uses his gun to shoot you. Having the gun unloaded is pointless, as you cannot open fire first if the intruder goes to do the same.
Yes you can.No, especially not in countries like America where criminal movies dominate.
No, especially not in countries like America where criminal movies dominate.
The kids can try to act like they do with guns in movies = curiousity.
Also don't tell me you never did something your parents did't want you to do like smoking or stealing. Again curiousity.
America is not Serbia, I don't think you really have the grounds to say what America is like, and no, I have never done anything as bad as you say I should have and lied to my parents because I respect my parents and law. Saying that all kids watch movies and then want to smoke, steal and use guns is a bold statement I would love to see you back up with facts. Maybe its like that in Serbia but its not like that here.Another retarded comment from you.
America is not Serbia, I don't think you really have the grounds to say what America is like, and no, I have never done anything as bad as you say I should have and lied to my parents because I respect my parents and law. Saying that all kids watch movies and then want to smoke, steal and use guns is a bold statement I would love to see you back up with facts. Maybe its like that in Serbia but its not like that here.That is why you are still alive and others not.
Ok so you admit that there are ZERO statistics that prove guns avoid crime.That depends on many factors, but some countries that have it legalized for all to conceal carry without a permit have lower crime rates linked to such, whereas others have high crime rates. There's more to it than just having the guns available too.
That depends on many factors, but some countries that have it legalized for all to conceal carry without a permit have lower crime rates linked to such, whereas others have high crime rates. There's more to it than just having the guns available too.Please show statistics instead of hollow statements.
Another retarded comment from you.
Didn't expect a wise comment though.
If you think that American kids never took a gun or anything out of curiousity you're just downright retarded.
Do you know what happens in every single household in the US and what happens with its guns?
I don't think so.
Also I know that you're obsessed and love Serbia so much that you want to use it in every argument, but here it just proved how stupid you are.
I was talking about how movies influence a kid's curiousity. If you want to merge Serbia in that argument you prove you have nothing to back up your statements.
just because you don't see it, don't mean it doesn't exist. our police force is mighty strong, actually.Of course certain people in the UK have guns, like I said my neighbor has 3 farm rifles and 2 community officers visit his house every 2 weeks to make sure they are kept under lock and key, which I bet isnt the kind of thing that happens in the US..
Of course certain people in the UK have guns, like I said my neighbor has 3 farm rifles and 2 community officers visit his house every 2 weeks to make sure they are kept under lock and key, which I bet isnt the kind of thing that happens in the US..Ever seen "Hot Fuzz?" :lol:
Half the crap you guys post links youth to violence or crime and how its "Normal" for them to do it and all that, any logical person is going to connect the dots when they notice your nationality and how frequent you post things that reference random violence being the norm and it being accepted. Don't shit on me if you can't make that link yourself.Every country has crime.
Every country has crime.
If you're saying Canada or America doesn't have crime, wow.
Also do you think that Serbs fight to pass time?
The riots or fights you see are there for a reason.
For example the riots that where organized for Kosovo, this was not for fun. It was to defend holy land.
I strongly disagree with the fact that videos of random violence for fun are being uploaded.
Please point out where I said we have no crimeYou only speak of Serbian crime.
That is no excuse to cause violence
I could disagree as I have seen some rather disturbing things online and even with my own eyes that Serbian people enjoy doing to innocent people that is violent, but I don;t want to get in to an argument about Serbia.
Please show statistics instead of hollow statements.http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/0226493636 (http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/0226493636)
Ever seen "Hot Fuzz?" :lol:One of my most favorite movies ever! :lol:
You are raised in a western country which has no culture.
http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/0226493636 (http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/0226493636)It would be good if the underlying scientific studies could be named....
One of my most favorite movies ever! :lol:
It would be good if the underlying scientific studies could be named....For whatever reason, I couldn't find any statistics supporting either side of the argument. All I could come up with was references to that book, and pointless political news topics.
If someone performs vehicular manslaughter, should we ban vehicles?Should've been done a long time ago, especially in America.
Should've been done a long time ago, especially in America.You don't own a car, do you? :P
You don't own a car, do you? :PI don't :(
Saying America has no culture, is saying the world has no culture. We have probably pretty close to most cultures from all around the world in the US.That's why we are referred to as a melting pot of ethnicities. ;)
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp (http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp)The only foreign country taken in here is Britain, the rest of Europe is conveniently left out.
Good enough?
I also noticed that there are conflicting statistics in different areas saying that places that has gun control noticed a drop in violence, but opposite in other places where it went up instead.
The REAL problem here is that people are very unpredictable. How many times you've heard stories of someone doing violent crimes and have their friends & relatives saying that he/she gets along with everybody?
A firearm is just another tool, but in the wrong hands becomes deadly. If someone performs vehicular manslaughter, should we ban vehicles?
where as Europeans often feel that having a potential lethal device at home is a risk.
it will be interesting to see if this ever change seeing as there has been so much racial violence and tension.The amount of racial violence and tension is hugely exaggerated.
The only foreign country taken in here is BritainProbibly because I've only mentioned Britain not having guns, I don't know about the rest of Europe so I didn't say.. :D
where as Europeans often feel that having a potential lethal device at home is a risk.I'm not sure on the rest of Europe, once again.. But one main problem that stops people possessing guns for defence in the UK is that if you kill someone who breaks into your house and trys to hurt you, your still going down for murder. There was a story not long ago, a British farmer was being robbed by two dick heads in his house, he woke up and got his rifle, they ran off and he chased them out shooting at them as they ran across the field, he killed one and injured the other, he was sent down for years.
Probibly because I've only mentioned Britain not having guns, I don't know about the rest of Europe so I didn't say.. :DAnd rightfully so. It might have been accepted that he defended his home, but chasing after them simply makes him a killer.
I'm not sure on the rest of Europe, once again.. But one main problem that stops people possessing guns for defence in the UK is that if you kill someone who breaks into your house and trys to hurt you, your still going down for murder. There was a story not long ago, a British farmer was being robbed by two dick heads in his house, he woke up and got his rifle, they ran off and he chased them out shooting at them as they ran across the field, he killed one and injured the other, he was sent down for years.
Fact is it's mainly some of the shit laws that stop people defending themselves across the UK, probibly the same for the rest of Europe since they don't really have guns either. :razz:
And rightfully so. It might have been accepted that he defended his home, but chasing after them simply makes him a killer.Wouldn't you shoot at two thugs that just robbed from your home and will probibly go on to do it to others? I certainly would.
Wouldn't you shoot at two thugs that just robbed from your home and will probibly go on to do it to others? I certainly would.That means you are potentially Mr Anders Breivik.
Theres those that don't have jobs, and don't break the law, and theres those that don't have jobs, because they can't be bothered and decide to steal from people who work for a living instead, they are the people I'de shoot at. :roll:
(http://pinkie.ponychan.net/chan/files/src/132505226769.jpg)That picture only proves you can't prove me wrong and are not capable of having a discussion.
Saying America has no culture, is saying the world has no culture. We have probably pretty close to most cultures from all around the world in the US.That's where you go wrong.
That means you are potentially Mr Anders Breivik.Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! :mad:
Harboring those outcasts from another country. The influx of afghanis screwed Pakistan up beyond recognition, and the same fate has befallen America. Even though white people may pull the strings, but a majority of immigrants are the arsenal they require, since they're not ones to get their hands dirty.And the people from Pakistan who could have done the work are sitting in England....
That means you are potentially Mr Anders Breivik.
and?A guy who should not have a gun? :D
A guy who should not have a gun? :D
Some people think otherwise, which scares me but an overwhelming number of people seem to support his cause.. maybe not his actions but his cause none the less.No idea if Mikal plays WOW....
Did World of Warcraft make him a gun crazy killer? :D
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No idea if Mikal plays WOW....F**k no WoW is for emos and complete utter no lifes. ;)
Did World of Warcraft make him a gun crazy killer? :DLol reminds me of the people who have said GTA inspired them to carjack people and kill them for money... :lol:
F**k no WoW is for emos and complete utter no lifes. ;)lolno
Problem is, here, on the country side of France. That every farmer has a gun, so... And they do use it if you attempt to steal some fruit (or do any other bullshit, I played golf once on one of the farmers his field, never run and laughed so hard). Problem is, they're here quite trigger happy. That's why I can actually hunt down a animal without getting any shitty problems, because ''les flics'' (the police offcers) are never around when needed. :lol:It is a pretty good custom in Russia for farmers to have a gun as well. In most cases it is loaded with salt.
It is a pretty good custom in Russia for farmers to have a gun as well. In most cases it is loaded with salt.
Won't kill you but aimed as the butt will make you remember for weeks whenever you try to sit...
It is a pretty good custom in Russia for farmers to have a gun as well. In most cases it is loaded with salt.Russias civilians don't need guns, they got some of the toughest jails in the world, TBH I wish British jails were like Russian ones, would certainly be less criminals.
Won't kill you but aimed as the butt will make you remember for weeks whenever you try to sit...