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Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: Gandalf on July 20, 2012, 11:23:24 am
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492)
Ten people have been killed in a shooting at a Batman film premiere in the US city of Denver, local media say.
More than 35 people had been injured in the incident, it is reported.
A reporter for the 9News website at the scene says a gunman opened fire at the movie cinema complex in Aurora, where three theatres had a midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises.
Witnesses said someone wearing a gas mask opened fire and there were also reports of a lot of smoke.
The Swedish Medical Center, which is not the area's main hospital, told the BBC it had received three gunshot victims.
Many ambulances are at the scene and it not clear if there is an active manhunt for the attacker.
NBC News reports that one suspect was in custody.
A witness told 9News that during a shooting scene in the film he heard loud bangs and a lot of smoke and initially thought they were live special effects put on by the cinema.
Projectiles came through the wall from the neighbouring theatre screening, where it appears the shooting occurred.
Are you in the Denver area? Send us your comments and experience using the form below.
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I've just heard about it.. Damnit where is world heading to.
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I readed it in the car when I came back from the shop, serieus shit.
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Some more info on the story..
http://www.news24.com/World/News/1-held-in-Batman-mass-shooting-20120720 (http://www.news24.com/World/News/1-held-in-Batman-mass-shooting-20120720)
http://www.channel24.co.za/Movies/News/Batman-shooting-death-toll-rises-to-14-20120720 (http://www.channel24.co.za/Movies/News/Batman-shooting-death-toll-rises-to-14-20120720)
http://www.news24.com/World/News/Toll-rises-in-Batman-mass-shooting-20120720 (http://www.news24.com/World/News/Toll-rises-in-Batman-mass-shooting-20120720)
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People these days...
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Thanks to first person shooters.
Idiots shouldn't be allowed to play those fucking games, I can't FUCKING stand it. It makes me pissed. :poke:
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10 minutes away from my house.
14 confirmed dead.
Paris Red Carpet Premiere cancelled.
Defiantly not okay, sad to see innocent people suffer for this.
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http://www.news.com.au/world/mass-shooting-at-batman-premiere-in-colorado/story-fndir2ev-1226431167005 (http://www.news.com.au/world/mass-shooting-at-batman-premiere-in-colorado/story-fndir2ev-1226431167005)
Here was where I read it first. Seems the guy entered dressed as a batman character, and opened fire as soon as Batman appeared on the screen...
A baby was shot dead point blank.
I think this kinda thing is really messed up, I actually got more annoyed with every word I was reading...
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Thanks to first person shooters.
No. This is tragical, but you can't blame a sick mind on video games.
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No. This is tragical, but you can't blame a sick mind on video games.
Yeah it are the third-person shooters and RPG games where people respawn.... ;)
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Was going to post this put you beat me to it all I have to say what is wrong with people?
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As of 4:50 a.m., Aurora Police have reported 14 dead and over 50 injured. A 24-year-old white male is said to have used homemade explosives in the attack. He was arrested with a shotgun, a handgun and a rifle in his possession, and he was wearing a gas mask.
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Thanks to first person shooters.
No.
This is really disgusting..
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Another random attacker? Guessing that these kinda actions are the thing nowdays. Not getting stats on video games..no no. Only it matters how many persons you can kill before you get taked down. I would not be surprised if some of these will be on Guiness World Records book. Media really gives too much attention to these kinda things. Makes people to take shortcut to fame as mass murderess. Well guess what? Not any band will make songs about you. Not any movie will be made based on you! There is too many damn clowns who does these things already. Give up those thoughts and go rape birds or something to get your name on news..gosh.
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Thanks to first person shooters.
Idiots shouldn't be allowed to play those f**king games, I can't f**kING stand it. It makes me pissed. :poke:
There are 115 incidents of spree killing in Americas. The majority of the incidents took part before the "video games" so how can you explain that?
With your logic, those who hijacked planes and used them in attacks, probably played Flying Simulator too much.
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Sad to hear this. That is the hometown of a friend of mine IRL, and they know a group of people who went to see one of the screenings. They are still trying to find out whether they are okay...
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The death toll has risen, and people are still pouring into hospitals according to news reports. This honestly scares me because last night I was watching a fictional movie from 2009 that was almost exactly like this incident, and then today it happens. Things are falling apart in our world...
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The death toll has risen, and people are still pouring into hospitals according to news reports. This honestly scares me because last night I was watching a fictional movie from 2009 that was almost exactly like this incident, and then today it happens. Things are falling apart in our world...
God bless America?
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One of the wounded:
(http://i.imgur.com/Odlwi.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/y7snW.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/K6otm.jpg)
http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/wvbbk/i_am_one_of_the_50_wounded_in_the_aurora_theatre/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/wvbbk/i_am_one_of_the_50_wounded_in_the_aurora_theatre/)
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Thanks to first person shooters.
Yeah it are the third-person shooters and RPG games where people respawn.... ;)
With your logic, those who hijacked planes and used them in attacks, probably played Flying Simulator too much.
What if the attacker was stupid insane enough to believe that randomly attacking people at a movie premiere would attract Batman?
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The death toll has risen, and people are still pouring into hospitals according to news reports. This honestly scares me because last night I was watching a fictional movie from 2009 that was almost exactly like this incident, and then today it happens. Things are falling apart in our world...
Perhaps the attacker saw that movie. Ban all movies with violence!
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Thanks to first person shooters.
Idiots shouldn't be allowed to play those f**king games, I can't f**kING stand it. It makes me pissed. :poke:
>Complains about violent video games
>Posts on a forum almost completely dedicated to GTA
Wut
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http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/07/20/jessica-ghawi-redfield-batman-shooting_n_1688871.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003 (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/07/20/jessica-ghawi-redfield-batman-shooting_n_1688871.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003)
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God bless America?
That is not funny at all.
Perhaps the attacker saw that movie. Ban all movies with violence!
I doubt it, and I am not saying anything like that, but the coincidence itself is what scares me. Last night I looked up the movie to see if its story actually happened, and it said nothing like this ever actually has...then a few hours later it did...
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I wonder what the gunmans motive was...
Maybe he didn't like the movie? Maybe he was hoping Batman would come save everyone? Maybe he's just a fucking psychopath!
Has he been caught yet?
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That is not funny at all.
I don't think that was a joke. ;)
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Ill people in an ill society. One among many definitions of a human being is that it consist of interaction with others.
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12 dead, 34 wounded as of a few moments ago according to the FBI.
This is the movie cinema my nephew and my aunt go to and they live only minutes from here. This new is shocking and a tragedy to see. Some of the witnesses heard and telling their stories is just unbelievable and just.. can't eve find words for it.
Its sad that this 24 year old man would do this, I'm interested to find his motive. When his mother was called and asked if it was possible, she said 'yes he's the right man' and that shes on her way. Like if this guy had serious issues what kind of help was in place, and why did he have an 'AK-like' rifle plus smoke grenades on hand, quite troubling.
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News reports from CNN are stating that the Red Cross is now on-scene assisting those injured.
Has he been caught yet?
Yes. He surrendered to police without resistance shortly after the incident.
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People who do this sort of thing dont normally expect to live afterwords. Suicide by cop is whats expected. Although now I hear he surrendered which is interesting.
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Aurora Police just announced that the suspect's apartment is booby trapped with sophisticated flammable and explosive materials. A five-building radius has been evacuated, and bomb squad is on-scene attempting to disarm the traps.
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People who do this sort of thing dont normally expect to live afterwords. Suicide by cop is whats expected. Although now I hear he surrendered which is interesting.
Sounds familiar.
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People who do this sort of thing dont normally expect to live afterwords. Suicide by cop is whats expected. Although now I hear he surrendered which is interesting.
Indeed true, reports say he had a bullet proof vest on; only showing further that he intended to have some sort of resistance.
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I think he surrendered on purpose. After hearing that his apartment was booby trapped, he expected that in one way or another he'd be identified and police would investigate.
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The horrific shooting at the screening of The Dark Knight Rises in Colorado late last night bears eerie similarities to a scene in the 1986 comic Batman: The Dark Knight Returns. In the comic, a crazed, gun-toting loner walks into a movie theater and begins shooting it up, killing three in the process. The passage concludes with the media blaming Batman for inspiring the shooting, though he is not involved in the incident at all.
http://tiny.iavian.net/2vy (http://tiny.iavian.net/2vy)
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That is not funny at all.
Who said I was trying to be funny? It's a real movie based on a fictional spree killer.
God Bless America Trailer 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VQfKmIXfWM#ws)
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And people claim it's a must to have a gun.
See what happens.
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And people claim it's a must to have a gun.
See what happens.
That is because people did not carry their gun in the movie theater....
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And people claim it's a must to have a gun.
See what happens.
A handgun, sure.. he had an assault rifle, a shotgun and 2 handguns plus smoke or tear grenades. Entirely, not the same as having wanting to own a gun for protection, hunting etc... knowing this area the protection reason has become a high case. My aunt says the past few years this area has become a very rough place with many of illegals (mexicans) and other gang violence rising. So, protection would be reasonable reason, however what he had is a bit much.
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That is because people did not carry their gun in the movie theater....
It could have been prevented if the suspect had no gun in the first place.
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News reports from CNN are stating that the Red Cross is now on-scene assisting those injured.
Yes. He surrendered to police without resistance shortly after the incident.
Yah yes I just saw on BBC news, he surrendered in the carpark of the cinema shortly after the shooting, 3 guns were found in the cinema and some hand guns on him, his apartment is 'booby trapped with a highly sophisticated device' as BBC news said, not sure if it's still going on but good luck dealing with his apartment. :neutral:
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What I did understand was that they retreated from the house. It was to dangerous (RTL)
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It could have been prevented if the suspect had no gun in the first place.
Easier said than done.
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Easier said than done.
In America that is.. :roll:
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In America that is.. :roll:
Clueless
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Lets not continue the gun holders debate here. One topic is enough.
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He didn't surrender, they found him in a park with a rifle, a pistol and a knife.
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He didn't surrender, they found him in a park with a rifle, a pistol and a knife.
He was in the parking lot, he surrendered without issues. His car was parked right by the door.
From the police: 71 people shot, 10 DOA, 2 died in medical care.
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He was in the parking lot, he surrendered without issues. His car was parked right by the door.
From the police: 71 people shot, 10 DOA, 2 died in medical care.
Correct. To expand on the police report a little further, that 71 number counts those killed too. Officially speaking, 12 are dead, 59 injured thus far.
Personally I have 2 friends that live in Colorado that were likely at this premiere, so now I'm a bit worried myself as I have not spoken to them yet. It was confirmed that some victims were military, which one of them were as well...
Edit: As I'm watching the news, an exclusive interview with one of those at the incident just, in tears, stated that his 6 year old daughter was killed, and that his ex-wife is hospitalized and he's not allowed to visit her...going on further to say that he has no one else left in his family. I just wanted to cry seeing this...
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Welcome to Denver, no way turning back.
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Welcome to Denver, no way turning back.
Play nice, you know we have USA players around here and some might get offended on this believe it or not.
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Play nice, you know we have USA players around here and some might get offended on this believe it or not.
From a guy who had no trouble offending others by making vague references before "going out".
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Heard about it on the radio while at work today.
"Witnesses said a man wearing a gas mask opened fire after tossing a tear gas canister."
Kind of reminds me of that scene in Batman Begins where Scarecrow uses the fear toxin. The guy is obviously mentally ill... at least, I hope he is.
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Play nice, you know we have USA players around here and some might get offended on this believe it or not.
Considering I grew up in the USA and it's basically like my home, they should not be offended. Also Denver is just a part of the USA, I was not referring to the United States as a whole.
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James Holmes is convinced he is 'The Joker'.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9416529/Batman-cinema-shooting-James-Holmes-told-police-he-was-The-Joker.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9416529/Batman-cinema-shooting-James-Holmes-told-police-he-was-The-Joker.html)
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LOL.
Obsessed much.
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I am truely still confused why he gave up.
He had full tactical gear, leg, groin, throat, tact helmet yet gave up like nothing ever happened. It does seem like he has another agenda, given the status of his house.
I'm glad to see that the police, and FBI are taking everything in full force. The FBI states 100 or more agents are present, including ATF. They have not yet entered the house fully due to a "sophisticated" trap. Being a PHD candidate I'm sure made his credible more liable saying "they may find explosives".
I've come to learn since my cat nap, that the 3 (or 4) month old is doing just fine; yet two 11 year olds, and one 12 year olds was among the dead and this pisses me off more than him killing a handful of adults. Since kids are truly innocent (most of the time) and hearing this, and the parents on TV breaking down is truly heartbreaking and nearly tear jerking to see.
In addition, great to see police are still able to follow protocol to the dot given the shock to many of them. While many seem angered given the circumstances that the bodies of the dead are still inside the cinema; sadly this is part of the procedure as the police will need a solid case to ensure this sick bastard gets the full extent of the law and the highest punishment possible for his insane crimes.
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From the Police "When arrested the man said he was the joker, his hair was died red this man must be insane"
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Update about his apartment:
The police think the devices and amount may be too much and too sophisticated to disarm, they are considering the options to detonate the explosives in-side the apartment using a remote controlled robot as the "safest" option.
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I am disgusted by all of this, there is no reason for this to have taken place besides insanity.
Taken from Batman cinema shooting: James Holmes 'told police he was The Joker' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9416529/Batman-cinema-shooting-James-Holmes-told-police-he-was-The-Joker.html)
"Raised California, by his parents Arlene and Robert, he moved from San Diego to Colorado after graduating from The University of California, Riverside, in 2010 with a degree in neuroscience.
In June 2011 he enrolled in a PhD course in neurosciences at the University of Colorado, Denver. But last month he began the process of withdrawing from the course, the university confirmed.
Shortly before he dropped out, Holmes had taken a class on psychiatric disorders."
The part that stands out to me is the last part which I have made bold.
I don't know but I have a feeling he may use the information learnt from that "class" as an excuse for "mental illness" or something along those lines as the reason for the shooting.
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I don't know but I have a feeling he may use the information learnt from that "class" as an excuse for "mental illness" or something.
And then what?.. As far as i know the punishments in the USA are not low. This man is going to sit a lot of years and will he will pay for this attack.(is there a dead penalty in Denver?)
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And then what?.. As far as i know the punishments in the USA are not low. This man is going to sit a lot of years and will he will pay for this attack.(is there a dead penalty in Denver?)
I'm not sure, but if he pulls the insanity card and is found insane. It is not allowed to give death row punishment to someone found criminally insane. Regardless of such, he will not ever get out of prison. At the minimum, 2 charges of murder alone would give him life without parole. He has 12 charges of murder, and 59 attempted murder (as of now). Additionally, his apartment is rigged with explosives; so needless to say he will never see a free world.
The "Joker" is unofficial and has not yet been confirmed by anyone. He was in a class for "neuroscience" which he has been for a while; neuroscience does include mental disorder in some cases.
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Considering I grew up in the USA and it's basically like my home, they should not be offended. Also Denver is just a part of the USA, I was not referring to the United States as a whole.
Growing up in the U.S.A. does not make it okay to make jokes about the situation right after it's citizens suffered massive losses to life.
And then what?.. As far as i know the punishments in the USA are not low. This man is going to sit a lot of years and will he will pay for this attack.(is there a dead penalty in Denver?)
I'm not sure what Colorado's current stance is on the death penalty, but it's likely that he will be facing charges of domestic terrorism, or if he's lucky, mass-murder and attempted mass-murder from both a state and federal level. Assuming the death penalty isn't used and he doesn't get away with an insanity plea, he'll like be in federal prison for the rest of his life.
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I'm not sure what Colorado's current stance is on the death penalty,
New statements do portray he may be held accountable via death penalty. The state does support capital punishment via death-row; and in the state only one person has been executed via capital punishment, three others remain on death row.
The state also states in their death row terms "Any person under 18 years of age, mentally retarded, or 'constitutionally precluded' at the time of capital crime is committed, then they may not face the sentence of death as most other states do.
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That is not funny at all.
I doubt it, and I am not saying anything like that, but the coincidence itself is what scares me. Last night I looked up the movie to see if its story actually happened, and it said nothing like this ever actually has...then a few hours later it did...
God Bless America - Official RED BAND Trailer (2012) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yruArw21EGA#ws)
Since you simply ignored it.
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Heard about this attack early this morning. When I listened to the 911 calls it was absolutely chilling... My prayers go out to the families and victims involved.
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Heard about this attack early this morning. When I listened to the 911 calls it was absolutely chilling... My prayers go out to the families and victims involved.
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when i read about this, i get shocked, he consider himself as ''Joker'' From the movie, and the police cannot enter his appartment cause its filled with alot of weapons and mines and such, and they dont know how to do it.. wich indicate at a long time planned Thing.
My first thought Is this one of the 3, Breivik spoke about, can this be the 2nd and 1 more to go?
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To be honest I fail to understand why this gets so much feedback and publicity.
This is not the first time mass murder occurs.
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To be honest I fail to understand why this gets so much feedback and publicity.
This is not the first time mass murder occurs.
I think you fail to realize that these things don't happen every day, especially when it involves over 70 people wounded and in an odd location. I don't know if you live in the US or not but this is bigger than the Columbine shooting back from 1999.
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I think you fail to realize that these things don't happen every day, especially when it involves over 70 people wounded and in an odd location. I don't know if you live in the US or not but this is bigger than the Columbine shooting back from 1999.
It happens every day in Africa, nobody gives a shit.
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I think you fail to realize that these things don't happen every day, especially when it involves over 70 people wounded and in an odd location. I don't know if you live in the US or not but this is bigger than the Columbine shooting back from 1999.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=87221.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=87221.0)
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I think you fail to realize that these things don't happen every day, especially when it involves over 70 people wounded and in an odd location. I don't know if you live in the US or not but this is bigger than the Columbine shooting back from 1999.
This is the largest mass-shooting since WWII on us soil.
It happens every day in Africa, nobody gives a shit.
Domestic Country having incidents like this are more publicised rather it happening in a 3rd world country for that exact reason, it happens often. Popular to kids belief here, even in the United States this doesn't happen as frequently.
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This is the largest mass-shooting since WWII on us soil.
What about Virginia Tech incident?
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What about Virginia Tech incident?
Overall at Virginia Tech 49 were shot/injured; in this incident overall 70 were shot/injured.
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From a guy who had no trouble offending others by making vague references before "going out".
Idiocy. Violence creates more violence. Enjoy your JTA, Hayom and CNN news. I got out of that topic.
Good that you decided to drag that subject in this thread. Now erase this post too because you can't argument yourself in a different way.
Considering I grew up in the USA and it's basically like my home, they should not be offended
Let me guess, you grew up in Denver? No?
Also Denver is just a part of the USA, I was not referring to the United States as a whole.
It's US soil and you made a cynical reference. People will get offended surely. That's why I got the report. I didn't call you out as a rule breaker or provoker.
Given all this media attention, it will turn out as all other mass murdering cases. He will have a high "IQ", as seen above good achievements in school, good/introspective child and so on. A genius who snapped they'll say. All that sensationalism makes people believe it takes to be a genius to kill people.
That's why we have imitators.
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Idiocy. Violence creates more violence. Enjoy your JTA, Hayom and CNN news. I got out of that topic.
Good that you decided to drag that subject in this thread. Now erase this post too because you can't argument yourself in a different way.
The only idiocy here is by you who seems not to accept that asking people not to go in to outlandish theories while indulging in them on another topic is severely hypocritical.
Perhaps "your" news did not yet mention the suicide bomber's identity.
As for not argumenting myself, I think that you are the one not understanding that conspiracy theories do not belong in such threads. If you wish I can make one here and see how you react.
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The only idiocy here is by you who seems not to accept that asking people not to go in to outlandish theories while indulging in them on another topic is severely hypocritical.
I see an intro which says "I repeat what I have said before without understanding your sentence."
You took the outlandish route before I did by erasing my post.
Perhaps "your" news did not yet mention the suicide bomber's identity.
Your sources say it was a man with long hair that had a distinctive accent and an American passport. That pretty much narrows it down to Iran, isn't it? I have never excluded a terror attack(any extremist group) as an option but condemned Israel's diplomatic answer to the incident at hand. Seems like you are not aware of how fragile diplomacy is and that it can kill thousands of people within hours, even minutes.
As for not argumenting myself, I think that you are the one not understanding that conspiracy theories do not belong in such threads. If you wish I can make one here and see how you react.
This shows how much you understood my post. Your opinion comes into daylight. Let me elaborate my post because you obviously had a busy time deleting it before viewing it thoroughly. By mentioning the Czech bus incident I pointed out that not all incidents are a fault of terrorist organizations which was mentioned like thunder in your thread. I guess you were the only one who complained about my post meaning you did not properly understand it. Instead of asking me to elaborate it like I asked Gimli, you erased my post under a presumption.
Second point: I never mentioned any conspiracy theories as I strongly oppose these kind of fallacies. I am responsible for what I write, not for what you believe I write.
Seriously think of this post, seriously. If you wish to answer it, don't do it here. Perhaps you should erase it and keep your eyes closed to my explanation under the excuse that I derail the thread? Shake that head of yours.
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I see an intro which says "I repeat what I have said before without understanding your sentence."
You took the outlandish route before I did by erasing my post.
Your sources say it was a man with long hair that had a distinctive accent and an American passport. That pretty much narrows it down to Iran, isn't it? I have never excluded a terror attack(any extremist group) as an option but condemned Israel's diplomatic answer to the incident at hand. Seems like you are not aware of how fragile diplomacy is and that it can kill thousands of people within hours, even minutes.
This shows how much you understood my post. Your opinion comes into daylight. Let me elaborate my post because you obviously had a busy time deleting it before viewing it thoroughly. By mentioning the Czech bus incident I pointed out that not all incidents are a fault of terrorist organizations which was mentioned like thunder in your thread. I guess you were the only one who complained about my post meaning you did not properly understand it. Instead of asking me to elaborate it like I asked Gimli, you erased my post under a presumption.
Second point: I never mentioned any conspiracy theories as I strongly oppose these kind of fallacies. I am responsible for what I write, not for what you believe I write.
Seriously think of this post, seriously. If you wish to answer it, don't do it here. Perhaps you should erase it and keep your eyes closed to my explanation under the excuse that I derail the thread? Shake that head of yours.
Stilkl butthurt your posts got removed?
Ok..
My sources say it is an Algerian who lived in Sweden and got close links to Al Qaeda, he was twice arrested and sent back to Sweden in connection with terrorist activity.
"Keeping options open" is not the same as trying to point at a possible Mossad action. Either you say that at the time there is no organizations who claimed something, or you come with evidence. Anything else shows someone who is basicly a racist trying to avoid muslims being a victim. and yes that means YOU.
Your laughable excuses to make it seem like you had a legitimate excuse to post such things are denied.
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pls no verbal dm
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pls no verbal dm
Sorry but some people can not accept their own blindness.
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Stilkl butthurt your posts got removed?
Yes.
My sources say it is an Algerian who lived in Sweden and got close links to Al Qaeda, he was twice arrested and sent back to Sweden in connection with terrorist activity.
OK, so he's definitely an Iranian now, lets react before it's too late. What? Israel says so.
"Keeping options open" is not the same as trying to point at a possible Mossad action.
Point me to where I blamed Superman/Mossad or the 4th dimension Kissinger Illuminati lizard squad.
I'm amused.
Either you say that at the time there is no organizations who claimed something, or you come with evidence. Anything else shows someone who is basicly a racist trying to avoid muslims being a victim. and yes that means YOU.
At the time, there were no evidence nor anyone had any prints or IDs on the possible terrorist. Well, it's logical that Muslims attack only Israelis, right? My first option was a terror attack but I did not want to blame Iran for it like you did. I was reserved for opinion of Bulgarian specialists.
Your laughable excuses to make it seem like you had a legitimate excuse to post such things are denied.
This is because you do not recognize anything in between right and wrong.
You proceed under the assumption that I offered solutions while in fact, I asked questions(in that thread) trying to mediate between various options:
We are making a mistake. Thanks whoever removed my at least constructive question.
I asked a simple one: Can we afford these direct attacks?
The solution was to wait for specialists to determine evidence, run them and then(finally) condemn people.
You just deleted my post and declared me a Muslim supporter. This is exactly why the media can control public opinion.
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Yes.
OK, so he's definitely an Iranian now, lets react before it's too late. What? Israel says so.
Point me to where I blamed Superman/Mossad or the 4th dimension Kissinger Illuminati lizard squad.
I'm amused.
At the time, there were no evidence nor anyone had any prints or IDs on the possible terrorist. Well, it's logical that Muslims attack only Israelis, right? My first option was a terror attack but I did not want to blame Iran for it like you did. I was reserved for opinion of Bulgarian specialists.
This is because you do not recognize anything in between right and wrong.
You proceed under the assumption that I offered solutions while in fact, I asked questions(in that thread) trying to mediate between various options:The solution was to wait for specialists to determine evidence, run them and then(finally) condemn people.
You just deleted my post and declared me a Muslim supporter. This is exactly why the media can control public opinion.
Israel blamed Iran, I never did such thing. Perhaps you failed to notice that I only took the original article text to which I linked.
As for your words:
Only people who assume this is a terrorist attack(assume) is Barak and Netanyahu.
The forensics team did not even arrive at the scene and everyone is blaming Palestinians and/or other Muslim groups. Why? Because it has the word "bomb" in it?
This will turn into a "Hezbollah this, Mossad that" type of thread, I can assure you.
You refuse to believe a bomb in a bus of Israelis is a terrorist attack? OMG it might have been an accident as its usual to have a bomb in such buses.....
Then you cleverly add the word "Mossad" as to reference to a possible false flag operation.
I did not accuse Palestinians, Mossad, Bulgarians or even Turkey in this thread. The only thing I did was to remove posts that clearly show disrespect for those who died by trying to deny the fact of a terrorist attack taking place by an at that point unknown means or person.
An Algerian is more likely to work for an extremist Muslim organization as for the Mossad, even if both are possible. Just as it is possible the shooter in Aurora works for the CIA in an attempt to destroy the Occupy movement.
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The bomb squad have finally managed to get inside. :conf:
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You refuse to believe a bomb in a bus of Israelis is a terrorist attack? OMG it might have been an accident as its usual to have a bomb in such buses.....
The only difference between our opinion is that I did not want to accuse Iran as the media did. You still fail to comprehend my sentences. I still wait for a summary of the incident.
Then you cleverly add the word "Mossad" as to reference to a possible false flag operation.
I added "Hezbollah this, Mossad that" because I originally thought that the topic will turn into an argument. Just look at that Palestine thread, I was talking out of experience. Where do you pull out these conclusions from? I'm not even familiar in depth with the aforementioned organizations.
I did not accuse Palestinians, Mossad, Bulgarians or even Turkey in this thread. The only thing I did was to remove posts that clearly show disrespect for those who died by trying to deny the fact of a terrorist attack taking place by an at that point unknown means or person.
An Algerian is more likely to work for an extremist Muslim organization as for the Mossad, even if both are possible. Just as it is possible the shooter in Aurora works for the CIA in an attempt to destroy the Occupy movement.
I already told you to read my post seriously. There is a significant difference between the victims and the perpetrator.
It's your fault you view me as a disrespecting party. As I said: I am responsible for what I write, not for what you believe I write. You are the one making conspiracies out of it.
The bomb squad have finally managed to get inside. :conf:
Source?
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The only difference between our opinion is that I did not want to accuse Iran as the media did. You still fail to comprehend my sentences. I still wait for a summary of the incident.
Perhaps follow the news as intensively as in this topic and you would know more, including that a possible second terrorist was hunted.
I added "Hezbollah this, Mossad that" because I originally thought that the topic will turn into an argument. Just look at that Palestine thread, I was talking out of experience. Where do you pull out these conclusions from? I'm not even familiar in depth with the aforementioned organizations.
That was the exact thing I decided to prevent by deleing your post, and was the core of my decision to remove it.
I already told you to read my post seriously. There is a significant difference between the victims and the perpetrator.
It's your fault you view me as a disrespecting party. As I said: I am responsible for what I write, not for what you believe I write. You are the one making conspiracies out of it.
And I am responsible for removing anything that I believe to be hurting the topic. Not for what you believe you wrote.
Source?
Those media you refuse to follow.
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Perhaps follow the news as intensively as in this topic and you would know more, including that a possible second terrorist was hunted.
I've been watching the news about the Burgas incident because it is of international importance.
That was the exact thing I decided to prevent by deleing your post, and was the core of my decision to remove it.
I can now put myself into your decision and say you reacted well, but throwing around accusations such as "disrespecting the victims" and "denying terrorist attack" at me was totally childish.
This is what the news say about the incident:
Israel's U.S. Embassy said a day earlier that it had no proof that Iran was the instigator of the attack.
Pentagon Press Secretary George Little said Friday that the attack "does bear the hallmarks of Hezbollah." He refused to elaborate.
About the second perpetrator:
Bulgarian police are conducting a manhunt for another suspect who is believed to have assisted the terrorist who carried out the attack in Burgas which killed five Israelis and a Bulgarian citizen on Wednesday.
The report said that due to the suspicion that the suspect may have more explosives, extra security was placed in hotels in Burgas where Israelis are known to be staying.
"May have" and "is believed to" sound like very solid evidence. Until I see this man in cuffs and jailed with proper evidence, I have no reason to believe there is a second offender. You should follow this example unless you were at the scene or had a visual on the second perpetrator/strange behaviour at the airport.
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They have began releasing the names and ages of the 12 deceased. Youngest name/age released so far is a 6 year old girl.
Also they are expected to preform "controlled" blasts on the rigged apartment shortly.
Watch here: http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvplive/cvpstream1&hpt=hp_t1#/video/cvplive/cvpstream1 (http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvplive/cvpstream1&hpt=hp_t1#/video/cvplive/cvpstream1)
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It happens every day in Africa, nobody gives a shit.
Some may take offence to that, in fact I do not appreciate things like this being said.
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I've been watching the news about the Burgas incident because it is of international importance.
I can now put myself into your decision and say you reacted well, but throwing around accusations such as "disrespecting the victims" and "denying terrorist attack" at me was totally childish.
As usual a matter of two people with similar reasoning coming to opposite conclusions.
And yes I agree I did overreact on some statements.
This is what the news say about the incident:
About the second perpetrator:"May have" and "is believed to" sound like very solid evidence. Until I see this man in cuffs and jailed with proper evidence, I have no reason to believe there is a second offender. You should follow this example unless you were at the scene or had a visual on the second perpetrator/strange behaviour at the airport.
I mentioned they are hunting a possible second terrorist. By this I did not even make reference to a second person being at the scene, it might be a separate case or a ghost story.
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strange... the live feed was suddenly cut... :eek: (of apartment disarming/detonation)
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strange... the live feed was suddenly cut... :eek: (of apartment disarming/detonation)
Should be back soon... they detonated a booby trap...
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Should be back soon... they detonated a booby trap...
Yeah. They are about to take a last check before sending some techs in to ensure its safe for entry.
2 of the killed were members of the US military; One Airforce, other navy.
1 was a employee, but was celebrating his birthday. Sad news to hear.
Others include
Micayla Medek, little descriptions available
Jessica Ghawi, her story is sad as well. She just survived a shooting only 1 month ago in Toronto mall shooting.
of released thus far.
Additionally, the suspect purchased 6,000 rounds of ammo online in a single purchase legally.
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God Bless America - Official RED BAND Trailer (2012) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yruArw21EGA#ws)
Since you simply ignored it.
I was not even replying to that, but thank you for provoking an argument.
What about Virginia Tech incident?
This is the fifth or sixth incident IIRC of such an incident.
The names of the deceased have been released today. Thankfully for myself, neither of my two friends that live in Colorado were on the list, but it was still very depressing nonetheless to see it released, including the one 6 year old girl who's father had previously been crying on television about losing her...
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Those media you refuse to follow.
And you follow them?
He bought about 6/7 weapons buy the internet and 7000 of ammo.
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And you follow them?
He bought about 6/7 weapons buy the internet and 7000 of ammo.
The weapons were not purchased online. The armor was.
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The death toll has risen, and people are still pouring into hospitals according to news reports. This honestly scares me because last night I was watching a fictional movie from 2009 that was almost exactly like this incident, and then today it happens. Things are falling apart in our world...
God bless America?
That is not funny at all.
I doubt it, and I am not saying anything like that, but the coincidence itself is what scares me. Last night I looked up the movie to see if its story actually happened, and it said nothing like this ever actually has...then a few hours later it did...
God Bless America - Official RED BAND Trailer (2012) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yruArw21EGA#ws)
Since you simply ignored it.
I was not even replying to that, but thank you for provoking an argument.
Sean was merely trying to straighten out a miscommunication which you had in regards to a members post, now please do not insist on getting over-touchy about him pointing out what was being said.
He was not provoking an argument nor was he trying to cause a problem, just straightening out a misunderstanding.
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The weapons were not purchased online. The armor was.
One of two things. Or you are wrong or the media are wrong.
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One of two things. Or you are wrong or the media are wrong.
You cannot legally purchase firearms online in the United States.
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One of two things. Or you are wrong or the media are wrong.
The source you are using is wrong. All the weapons were bought since May in local outdoor stores with one of them being Bass Pro. Ammunition was bought online.
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You can purchase weapons online in US, and it will be delivered to your local arms dealer after you pass a small Federal background check.
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The source you are using is wrong. All the weapons were bought since May in local outdoor stores with one of them being Bass Pro. Ammunition was bought online.
fuck the media
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They have began releasing the names and ages of the 12 deceased. Youngest name/age released so far is a 6 year old girl.
Also they are expected to preform "controlled" blasts on the rigged apartment shortly.
Watch here: http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvplive/cvpstream1&hpt=hp_t1#/video/cvplive/cvpstream1 (http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvplive/cvpstream1&hpt=hp_t1#/video/cvplive/cvpstream1)
A 6yr old, I mean nobody deserved to die in this but he shot a freaking 6 year old... Fucking sick bastard deserves the lethal injection, his life isnt even worth jail.
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A 6yr old, I mean nobody deserved to die in this but he shot a freaking 6 year old... f**king sick bastard deserves the lethal injection, his life isnt even worth jail.
So the rest will believe that he will actually go to hell, or what their religion dictates? The punishment should be given on earth, nobody gets away with it.
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Agree with dolfa, i think they should just inject him with something that causes paralysis or something, then throw him away to rot. Same should be done with people like breivik too.
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You're talking as if Breivik is a bad man.
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As has been proven time and time again, killing someone because they have killed reaches very little effect except revenge to the family of the victims.
It hardly deters maniacs from doing what they want, as they consider their lives worthless already.
It does not stop people placed in a situation of extreme emotional response, as nobody thinks of the consequences at that moment.
It will not allow people to show remorse and make amends, as they do not get the chance.
So except people giving in to their animal nature of killing, it accomplishes nothing.
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What happened to "Batman"?
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A 6yr old, I mean nobody deserved to die in this but he shot a freaking 6 year old... f**king sick bastard deserves the lethal injection, his life isnt even worth jail.
First part is very true, second I'm not so sure about. He is very young, he will suffer long time in jail.
I think, he'll take the wimps way out and and attempt suicide, in my personal opinion.
What happened to "Batman"?
I assume you mean the movie? During all of this, and the immediate responses after the movie kept playing; at one point you can hear on the police radio officers trying to get the movie shut off in theatre 9, where the incident took place.
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You're talking as if Breivik is a bad man.
You're right, Breivik is more like an...animal, even though that's not the proper word to describe how horrible he is and what evil actions he commited..
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You're right, Breivik is more like an...animal, even though that's not the proper word to describe how horrible he is and what evil actions he commited..
Nothing more evil as happens in a war daily.
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Nothing more evil as happens in a war daily.
These actions, are normal in war. We actually life in a war.
I state: ''As long there are humans, there will be War'' Albert Einstein
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These actions, are normal in war. We actually life in a war.
I state: ''As long there are humans, there will be War'' Albert Einstein
The point is that if he would have done the same in another country, he might have been called a fighter for liberty. Because it happened in Norway, he is portrayed as inhuman.
While you may rightfully feel that life in Norway does warrant such actions much less as life in another country, still it is remarkable that people will give different judgement on the same act depending on a situation.
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True.
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Nothing more evil as happens in a war daily.
*Civil war. If he hated immigrants so much he'd rather start shooting every one of them and end up blowing one of their temples. Killing countrymen who were there to have fun and who most have their future wide open at the age of 15 is cowardness. Yet the rest actions you mentioned have the 'justification' of being in a war actually (not that it matters to me), not living in a state of peace.
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So it looks like you guys really don't know anything about Hollywood Mafia.
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So it looks like you guys really don't know anything about Hollywood Mafia.
Tell us more.
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(http://i.imgur.com/Z51jr.jpg)
(http://imgur.com/0wTtm.jpg)
Just look....
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First part is very true, second I'm not so sure about. He is very young, he will suffer long time in jail.
I think, he'll take the wimps way out and and attempt suicide, in my personal opinion.
Yeh, I guess literal life (till death) is worse than the lethal injection.. You get to suffer longer.
I say 'till death' because life in the UK is only 25 years, for those who don't know.. :roll:
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Why did this occur during the UN's small arms treaty conference?
Although it makes me curious, I don't have sufficient information to back this claim.
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Why did this occur during the UN's small arms treaty conference?
Although it makes me curious, I don't have sufficient information to back this claim.
I'm thinking that one may have just been a coincidence. After they finally released an image of the suspect's hair dyed red, I really wouldn't be surprised if he was just a crazed fanatic who believed he was the Joker himself.
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*Civil war. If he hated immigrants so much he'd rather start shooting every one of them and end up blowing one of their temples. Killing countrymen who were there to have fun and who most have their future wide open at the age of 15 is cowardness. Yet the rest actions you mentioned have the 'justification' of being in a war actually (not that it matters to me), not living in a state of peace.
He was also mentally in a state of war, in which he wished to remove that part of the population that according to him would be responsible for treason of the Norwegian values.
The bottom line is that anyone who attacks unarmed people should be dealt with the same, regardless of their background or circumstances at which they made the attack.
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Just watched his court hearing....
There is truly something not right... other than the bullet proof vest he is wearing, but he appeared to be mentally absent. There is simply no emotion, and yes his hair is actually dyed red.
In jail, he is in confined space, as he is acting "irracticaly", including spitting at guards, eyes rolling back in his hear.
I would not doubt that he is found mentally incompetent to stand trial, in which he would be place in a criminally insane mental hospital.
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Or dead.
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Or dead.
It would be very hard for someone to get to him. Even in jail he has a bullet-proof vest plus constant security. In addition he is on suicide watch.
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Why would the majority in his prison, which sometimes are more foreigners than Americans..which include Murderers, rapists and large time thieves kill him?
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Why would the majority in his prison, which sometimes are more foreigners than Americans..which include Murderers, rapists and large time thieves kill him?
what do you mean?
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what do you mean?
I'll refrain. Prisoners will try to "get to him". What is exactly the motivation, if most of them are killers, rapists, thefts etc. Unless they've lost a family member why'd they try to kill him instead of making his life harder there..
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I'll refrain. Prisoners will try to "get to him". What is exactly the motivation, if most of them are killers, rapists, thefts etc. Unless they've lost a family member why'd they try to kill him instead of making his life harder there..
At least in Brazil, it's known criminals who murder kids or elderly people, or rape em have a pretty hard time.
Robbers and killers also had mothers, and some of them still have some morals ^^ Surely there's a shit ton of people in there who doesn't care, but it only takes one guy to kill that son of a bitch.
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I'll refrain. Prisoners will try to "get to him". What is exactly the motivation, if most of them are killers, rapists, thefts etc. Unless they've lost a family member why'd they try to kill him instead of making his life harder there..
They don't take child killers lightly.
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They don't take child killers lightly.
Ah I see what you mean, Wolfe explained it pretty good aswell
but it only takes one guy to kill that son of a bad girl.
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Wow....
New first person accounts suggest the AR-15 weapon jammed mid-shooting forcing the suspect to dispose of the firearm....
That is truly shocking... Ar-15 with 100 round drum gives a 50-60 RPM or rounds per minute; meaning the death+injured toll could have easily been doubled, or worse. The entire shooting as is self presently, only lasted roughly 3 minutes and police arrival was not affective to his reason for leaving the theatre.
An officer stated, who spotted him. He appeared to be "in a trance" shortly after. Could he have actually suffered a serve mental illness.
The suspect (not gonna mention his name) is 24 years old, the mental illness schizophrenia is an illness that develops in most cases in a persons mid-twenties. Given the description of inmates released (who saw said suspect) of how he acted, these "traits" are hard to minmic. Also, I do now feel he is not "faking it" as I don't care how much anyone tries, you can not simply shoot 70 people; killing 12 including a 6 year old little girl and "fake hide" any emotions.
For those who haven't seen, here is the full list of victims. Some of which actually gave their lives to save others during the shooting:
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/555602_356576521082244_1752191380_n.jpg)
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The suspect (not gonna mention his name) is 24 years old, the mental illness schizophrenia is an illness that develops in most cases in a persons mid-twenties. Given the description of inmates released (who saw said suspect) of how he acted, these "traits" are hard to minmic. Also, I do now feel he is not "faking it" as I don't care how much anyone tries, you can not simply shoot 70 people; killing 12 including a 6 year old little girl and "fake hide" any emotions.
I am disgusted by all of this, there is no reason for this to have taken place besides insanity.
Taken from Batman cinema shooting: James Holmes 'told police he was The Joker' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9416529/Batman-cinema-shooting-James-Holmes-told-police-he-was-The-Joker.html)
"Raised California, by his parents Arlene and Robert, he moved from San Diego to Colorado after graduating from The University of California, Riverside, in 2010 with a degree in neuroscience.
In June 2011 he enrolled in a PhD course in neurosciences at the University of Colorado, Denver. But last month he began the process of withdrawing from the course, the university confirmed.
Shortly before he dropped out, Holmes had taken a class on psychiatric disorders."
The part that stands out to me is the last part which I have made bold.
I don't know but I have a feeling he may use the information learnt from that "class" as an excuse for "mental illness" or something along those lines as the reason for the shooting.
Interesting... what makes it even more interesting is that he had studied things which are let's say about those "illnesses".
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Some may take offence to that, in fact I do not appreciate things like this being said.
Are you denying that an incredibly large amount of people is dying in Africa every day and that nobody seems to care?
Also regarding Breivik (can't browse posts and quote now); He is healthy, he is not crazy or inhumane.
I am sorry for the people who died but his cause is not at all inhumane.
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Interesting... what makes it even more interesting is that he had studied things which are let's say about those "illnesses".
Indeed, could have been what led to him to withdraw from these courses. Trying to deny he had such a case of this illness.
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As Breivik said in his trial, i am one of 3 and they will strike to, sooner or later, everyone Dismissed his words, only me that feels this could be the 2nd? and 1 more to go
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As Breivik said in his trial, i am one of 3 and they will strike to, sooner or later, everyone Dismissed his words, only me that feels this could be the 2nd? and 1 more to go
Wouldn't it be more logical to also occur in Norway?
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Wouldn't it be more logical to also occur in Norway?
not really ;)
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not really ;)
Yeah actually not, more publicity would promote his cause.
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Are you denying that an incredibly large amount of people is dying in Africa every day and that nobody seems to care?
Anyone dying anywhere is honestly a tragedy. People just have gotten so used to hearing about it that it doesn't sadden them until it hits home.
IMHO, we have a screwed up planet being run by a corrupt race called humanity. None of us deserve to live for the evils we do to one another and every living creature we share our lives with. No one should have to suffer at our hands...
P.S. When I say we don't deserve to live, I don't mean we deserve to die. I just mean that we don't deserve existence on this planet. Our good deeds will never outweigh our bad ones, nor should they ever. We need to change or just disappear. I know that we may not know our purpose here, but hurting others was definitely not why we were created.
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Anyone dying anywhere is honestly a tragedy. People just have gotten so used to hearing about it that it doesn't sadden them until it hits home.
IMHO, we have a screwed up planet being run by a corrupt race called humanity. None of us deserve to live for the evils we do to one another and every living creature we share our lives with. No one should have to suffer at our hands...
P.S. When I say we don't deserve to live, I don't mean we deserve to die. I just mean that we don't deserve existence on this planet. Our good deeds will never outweigh our bad ones, nor should they ever. We need to change or just disappear. I know that we may not know our purpose here, but hurting others was definitely not why we were created.
The human is the planet's biggest enemy.
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The human is the planet's biggest enemy.
No doubt or disagreements there.
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Wouldn't it be more logical to also occur in Norway?
Breivik, in his manifesto, stated that the order was established by two Englishmen, a Frenchman, a German, a Dutchman, a Greek, a Russian, a Norwegian (presumably himself) and a Serb. Additionally, he claimed that there was around 15 to 80 'Justiciar Knights' in Western Europe with the intention of soon taking control.
So, to put it short, no.
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The human is the planet's biggest enemy.
The sad truth.
In regards to the main topic. One of the people who was in that theatre (#9) who lost a friend, but himself was not injured. Has spoken with an a lawyer and is experted to sue the following person(s)/entity(s)
Cinema 16 (the owners) - For lack of an alarm system that could of produced a warning sound/alarm when suspect exited, including lack of monitoring of this door by cinema staff.
(suspect name)'s Doctors - For improper control of medical screening, and/or doses of anti-psychotic medications, or failure to see patient was in need of possible hospitalization.
Warner Brothers (Studio that made the movie) - For such content and portrayal of violence which may/not have led to a mass-shooting.
Also, "Mass-shooting" is defined as 1(or more) person(s) shooting into a crowd of (unarmed) people... In the United States, this happens a shocking 20 times per year. Normally fatally and media coverage remains small and localized. In other undeveloped countries, it happens anywhere from a whopping 30-130 times per year. In 2012 alone, more people have died in the United States from mass-shootings than service men (troops) have died in Iraq (in 2012).
and even more, Warner Brothers has donated an undisclosed amount of money to Giving First (official charity for this) to help support the victims. The amount donated came from the earnings of the movie (The Dark Knight Rises)
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Its sad news. :/ 3 out of the 10 died saving their girlfriends. :(
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Its sad news. :/ 3 out of the 10 died saving their girlfriends. :(
One of them who died doing it was also celebrating both his birthday and his first anniversary when he went to see the movie.
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As Breivik said in his trial, i am one of 3 and they will strike to, sooner or later, everyone Dismissed his words, only me that feels this could be the 2nd? and 1 more to go
What if they all played same game, and the two are related, as they met on some multiplayer gaming community, and third one is their friend/clan mate too? :conf:
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One of them who died doing it was also celebrating both his birthday and his first anniversary when he went to see the movie.
Yeah, that one (like the rest) is a very sad story. He was also an employee of the cinema as well.
What if they all played same game, and the two are related, as they met on some multiplayer gaming community, and third one is their friend/clan mate too? :conf:
:trust:
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[...]who lost a friend, but himself was not injured. Has spoken with an a lawyer and is experted to sue the following person(s)/entity(s)[...]
Why am I not surprised? :rofl:
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This idiot should be dead already. World is becoming a very retarded place to live in...
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This idiot should be dead already. World is becoming a very retarded place to live in...
Agreed on the last part. The movie "Idiocracy" shows our future fairly well. :P
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They have now fully confirmed he was seeing a therapist, who specialized is schizophrenia. He also sent a package, with a letter and drawings of him explicitly shooting people. While, the exact location of where the drawings portrayed the shooting is not exactly know. Still only showing even more warning signs that this could have been prevented.
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They have now fully confirmed he was seeing a therapist, who specialized is schizophrenia. He also sent a package, with a letter and drawings of him explicitly shooting people. While, the exact location of where the drawings portrayed the shooting is not exactly know. Still only showing even more warning signs that this could have been prevented.
The problem is, such incidents rarely are prevented as nobody takes the people serious.
On the other hand, if you place a wrong text on Twitter you can be arrested...
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On the other hand, if you place a wrong text on Twitter you can be arrested...
Yeah, seen a rise in these lately.
The problem is, such incidents rarely are prevented as nobody takes the people serious.
Only a few days ago the therapist said that a few weeks before the shooting, she had concerns that he (the shooter) was "a danger to others". Now, I'm not sure how therapy works in other countries. But I know here legally, therapist can NOT tell anyone what is said in sessions or in general between their clients UNLESS they feel someone has been victimized (by crime), they feel the person is a danger to themselves OR OTHERS. This isn't just an unless, its actually a legal obligation to report, she can face criminal charges for failing to report this in some states, again not entirely sure about Colorado. Now, nobody knows the whole story just that part has kinda got her in a shit-storm of bashing (rightfully so). In short, this could have been avoided multiple warning signs were presents weeks in advanced, based on descriptions of his behaviour, he should have been hospitalized and gotten physiatric treatments.