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Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: Dolfagr on August 16, 2012, 05:12:11 pm
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http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-cops-shoot-knife-wielding-man-heart-crowded-times-square-article-1.1134432 (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-cops-shoot-knife-wielding-man-heart-crowded-times-square-article-1.1134432)
NYPD Police Shoots Kill a Mentally Challenged Man Near Times Square Downtown NY! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOTCN8Zk7DI#ws)
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just like arpd LOL
thats how USA rolls....about 30 cops and a few backup cars... in poland it would be just 2 policemen using tazers or can of tear gas
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just like arpd LOL
thats how USA rolls....about 30 cops and a few backup cars... in poland it would be just 2 policemen using tazers or can of tear gas
That's actually not how American Police Officers do things. The only reason why so many cops were in this situation was because it is a heavily crowded area with a lot of innocent people that can't be moved away from the scene...especially as the suspect moved repeatedly. If he attempted to risk anyone's lives or pose imminent danger to anyone, then the Officers were justified in shooting him. From the looks of it, one Officer even had his gun put away and appeared to be trying to talk to the man to calm him down.
Unfortunately things don't always end happily for all. It is a sad way to close off the day for one person, but sometimes the lesser of two evils is the only solution...which is not a happy thing those Officers get to live with now that shot him.
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just like arpd LOL
thats how USA rolls....about 30 cops and a few backup cars... in poland it would be just 2 policemen using tazers or can of tear gas
Exactly. Lithuanian cops were known to approach an armed suspect with a tazer lol. And still got him arrested
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Exactly. Lithuanian cops were known to approach an armed suspect with a tazer lol. And still got him arrested
Not all American Police Departments use tazers.
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Not all American Police Departments use tazers.
Not all countries use tazer. AFAIK, In Estonia, it's forbidden in all circumstances.
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Lets look at this situation. For one, NYPD has a ton of officers, in fact they are known for having at least 2 on each block in major areas, also, there is a police station at Times Square which also factors in to why you have a ton of cops following the guy. Second, any police officer is going to prefer to have as much assistance as possible, especially in a crowded area filled with tourists. At the end of the video you saw how many people rushed towards the cops and the guy who was shot. I would like to see 2 cops handle that many people and try to deal with a dying person in the middle of a busy road.
Situation was handled properly in my opinion. We can't see much from the video though.
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We cannot see what happens when the van rolls up as the camera is at an angle but if the man made a lunge towards anyone they have the justification to shoot him. I would of thought at least surround the guy he has nowhere to go. With the amount of cops there that could have been done easily, but factor in the large gathering of civilians it's hard to control. I would have thought just a simple shot to the leg would be enough to make the guy drop the gun and not hundreds of shots. Nowadays NYPD doesn't take any sh*t after 9/11.
NYPD may I refer you to this, true police work.
http://youtu.be/dFaPooJBDSg (http://youtu.be/dFaPooJBDSg)
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Set up barricades, shut down the scene and negoitiate. Why does every situation ends with pew pew these days?!
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We cannot see what happens when the van rolls up as the camera is at an angle but if the man made a lunge towards anyone they have the justification to shoot him. I would of thought at least surround the guy he has nowhere to go. With the amount of cops there that could have been done easily, but factor in the large gathering of civilians it's hard to control. I would have thought just a simple shot to the leg would be enough to make the guy drop the gun and not hundreds of shots. Nowadays NYPD doesn't take any sh*t after 9/11.
NYPD may I refer you to this, true police work.
http://youtu.be/dFaPooJBDSg (http://youtu.be/dFaPooJBDSg)
That has to be the most unsafe and irresponsible act of police work I have ever seen. Putting yourself and others around you in danger by confronting a man with a weapon of that size with nothing but a baton might seem brave in your eyes but all that scene tells me is that European Police are not properly equipped to safely deal with people who are threatening their lives. Good job to the officers involved, all cops are brothers no matter where in the world you are and I appreciate their hard work and dedication, but your Government obviously has no respect for officer Safety.
Set up barricades, shut down the scene and negoitiate. Why does every situation ends with pew pew these days?!
Oh yes, because its sooo easy to quickly transport enough barricades through one of the busiest cities in the world, set them up and get a negotiator to the scene and still expect the criminal to just stand there and let you do it. Shooting the guy was the safest means to ending any situation like that. In a perfect world we could do what you suggest, but lets face it, no one in their right mind is going to spend money on such resources for some crazy guy with a knife.
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just like arpd LOL
thats how USA rolls....about 30 cops and a few backup cars... in poland it would be just 2 policemen using tazers or can of tear gas
Cause in Poland they've got like 90 points of procedure to be fulfilled to shoot. And in each case, they got an investigation let against them, just to prove they were right.
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why did they shoot him omg abusers i will report them on arpd forums!
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Putting yourself and others around you in danger by confronting a man with a weapon of that size with nothing but a baton might seem brave in your eyes but all that scene tells me is that European Police are not properly equipped to safely deal with people who are threatening their lives. Good job to the officers involved, all cops are brothers no matter where in the world you are and I appreciate their hard work and dedication, but your Government obviously has no respect for officer Safety.
I do think officer safety is an issue here. When confronted with a knife or a gun, what can our police counter that with? A baton or CS spray. The normal procedure in this situation is to wait until the Armed Response Units (ARV's) arrive, but here it is a close residential block and with this tactic of keeping the man moving, the officers are keeping him distracted so he won't cause harm to the public. I believe most forces now have tazer trained officers but in this situation I didn't see any use of them, which it was needed.
The reason I called them brave is because they are putting themselves in danger and no-one was injured in this situation (not including wheelie bins anyway).
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Taze someone with a knife in his hand, he is most likely to stab himself. Other than that there are rubber bullets and canines to deal with these situations but shooting him TWELVE times. Seriously, once in the arm or the torso isnt f**king enough?
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Set up barricades, shut down the scene and negoitiate. Why does every situation ends with pew pew these days?!
New York City is the largest, most populated city in the United States, and Times Square is a giant tourist and local attraction, which also contains many, many businesses. To block off half a million busy, upset, and "in-a-hurry" people in a matter of minutes without sufficient barriers or preparation for this incident is impossible. Even if they had a year to plan this out, it would still be extremely difficult...especially given that the man was constantly changing location in a packed, high-traffic area.
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Cause in Poland they've got like 90 points of procedure to be fulfilled to shoot. And in each case, they got an investigation let against them, just to prove they were right.
The time I got packed into police car for underage drinking the police bitch was chasing me while I was casually walking down the street and started shouting 'freeze or I'll shoot' lol
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Oh yes, because its sooo easy to quickly transport enough barricades through one of the busiest cities in the world, set them up and get a negotiator to the scene and still expect the criminal to just stand there and let you do it. Shooting the guy was the safest means to ending any situation like that. In a perfect world we could do what you suggest, but lets face it, no one in their right mind is going to spend money on such resources for some crazy guy with a knife.
Calm down mate! I know it is one of the most populated cities in USA and it's crowded. I wrote it as another way to do it as the displayed one was pretty bad done...
So you mean lethal force couldn't be avoided? A whole squad of officers shot at him, I guess he died. I rather see one shot in the leg to disable him and make him in pain.
This was, as said in the video, unjustified. Few bullets in the leg would had done it.
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The time I got packed into police car for underage drinking the police bad girl was chasing me while I was casually walking down the street and started shouting 'freeze or I'll shoot' lol
Lol, i almost got caught driving my moped without the license and with no documents - escaped going offroads, cops were probably too lazy D:
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The time I got packed into police car for underage drinking the police bad girl was chasing me while I was casually walking down the street and started shouting 'freeze or I'll shoot' lol
Lol, i almost got caught driving my moped without the license and with no documents - escaped going offroads, cops were probably too lazy D:
(http://sammyhworld.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/ethug.jpg)
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Calm down mate! I know it is one of the most populated cities in USA and it's crowded. I wrote it as another way to do it as the displayed one was pretty bad done...
So you mean lethal force couldn't be avoided? A whole squad of officers shot at him, I guess he died. I rather see one shot in the leg to disable him and make him in pain.
This was, as said in the video, unjustified. Few bullets in the leg would had done it.
Getting shot doesn't have the same effect as most people think. Hollywood really falsifies it. There are many known cases where some people will get shot and not even slow down. When a knife-wielding man lunges towards an innocent person and a shot to the leg doesn't work, you can assume what would become of it.
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Calm down mate! I know it is one of the most populated cities in USA and it's crowded. I wrote it as another way to do it as the displayed one was pretty bad done...
So you mean lethal force couldn't be avoided? A whole squad of officers shot at him, I guess he died. I rather see one shot in the leg to disable him and make him in pain.
This was, as said in the video, unjustified. Few bullets in the leg would had done it.
Because all cops are trained marksman who can hit some ones leg well they are moving. Seems legit.
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Bullets are much, much cheaper than to house scum like this for some years.
I believe this man lunged at police with a knife (?) so that allows officers to use deadly force so they don't get injured or killed.
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Set up barricades, shut down the scene and negoitiate. Why does every situation ends with pew pew these days?!
Police officers like our officer (ARPD) so much so they act them IRL.
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can' t you see them? they shot a standing suspect, inb4 cop ban
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Cops should shoot to incapacitate not to kill. They weren't too far from him and they have shooting practice I guess...
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Cops should shoot to incapacitate not to kill. They weren't too far from him and they have shooting practice I guess...
You would think that would be the case, however there are two major things that people don't realize, and I'm actually glad you brought them up:
1. Police have training with lesser-lethal weapons. If they must remove their gun, they must be ready to use it, however most of the time they do remove them, they very rarely open fire. If they do, it's shoot to kill. The reason is because if things must be taken to the point of using deadly force...for the safety of those around them...then the force is meant to be deadly.
For example:
If you pull a gun on someone and pull the trigger, you intend to kill them in order to protect yourself and/or someone else. You don't shoot them purposely in the leg just to knock them over because you are fearing for your safety. It's also a split-second decision. There is absolutely no time to think. You just aim and pull the trigger, aimed at the center body mass.
2. Shooting handguns are much harder than people think. The first shot especially.
When shooting a handgun, even at a short distance, it is very easy to miss your target because when shooting, you have to account for recoil, the movement of your hand as you pull the trigger, and the slide moving back forward as the round exits...all at once, while aiming. This makes it very easy to miss your target...and when you are aiming and firing in a split-second, you don't get much of a chance to figure out your target and move towards it. The target and the shooter moving around also doesn't help.
For those reasons, it is not as easy to shoot someone as you may think. It's not like toy guns where you just aim, pull the trigger, and hit the target. I know this because I've had previous Law Enforcement firearms training with a Sig Sauer P229 in a Police Academy. Even our Firearms Instructor, who was a Sergeant with the Sacramento Police Department, and an expert in firearms and shooting, explained this same thing to us before we learned it from experience first-hand.
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>run up to him and use one of those tazer bolt pistols w/e they're called
>only way he dies is if he has heart problems
>done
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>run up to him and use one of those tazer bolt pistols w/e they're called
>only way he dies is if he has heart problems
>done
Tazers are not as good as the media makes them out. Half the time they either dont connect properly or just dont work long enough to stop the person. If your on drugs or mentally ill it does jack shit to you.
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>run up to him and use one of those tazer bolt pistols w/e they're called
>only way he dies is if he has heart problems
>done
I think you missed the part where I said that not all American Police Departments use tazers.
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I think you missed the part where I said that not all American Police Departments use tazers.
So from the 100 Officers on the scene, not even one of them had the brilliant idea of withdrawing or deploying a taser? That's not an excuse, however the one below is.
>run up to him and use one of those tazer bolt pistols w/e they're called
>only way he dies is if he has heart problems
>done
Obviously you've never been tased. It was most likely that he would end up stabbing himself because of the spasms that the taser can cause if shot at someone, specially with something so sharp as a butchery knife.
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So from the 100 Officers on the scene, not even one of them had the brilliant idea of withdrawing or deploying a taser?
>implying they can use something they don't have.
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So from the 100 Officers on the scene, not even one of them had the brilliant idea of withdrawing or deploying a taser? That's not an excuse, however the one below is.
My gawd. READ AGAIN.
I think you missed the part where I said that not all American Police Departments use tazers.
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My gawd. READ AGAIN.
NYPD does have tasers, specifically M26's
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NYPD does have tasers, specifically M26's
Even when they do use tazers (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,427667,00.html), they can't win. :neutral:
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Even when they do use tazers (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,427667,00.html), they can't win. :neutral:
I was just pointing out the fact that NYPD does have tasers, yet I understand that he means not all of them have and not specifically NYPD but it's irrelevant anyway.
I myself said that tasers should not be used on suspects with knives, as it's more likely they'll stab themselves from the spasms created by the shock.
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I thought this guy had a gun. Knife :facepalm: and at least 5 cops shoot him to death...
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I thought this guy had a gun. Knife :facepalm: and at least 5 cops shoot him to death...
What do you expect them to do? Say "drop the knife" and just follow him until he stabs someone or himself? Judging by how far he was able to walk with it in an aggressive stance, he had plenty of warning.
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I was just pointing out the fact that NYPD does have tasers.
I would think that like here tasers are few and far between. For the officers the thing to do in this situation is to use something which they all have - a firearm.
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why's everyone complaining? they took a bad guy off the streets for good and all the officers got to go home safe to their family and friends. it was a good day.
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They didn't have to kill him, period.
One man with a knife, and about 30 policemen, they can arrest him blindfolded.
No reason to shoot the man.
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They didn't have to kill him, period.
One man with a knife, and about 30 policemen, they can arrest him blindfolded.
No reason to shoot the man.
Oh really? Please explain how you do that without getting stabbed.
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Oh really? Please explain how you do that without getting stabbed.
Taser would help as
NYPD does have tasers
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Taser would help as
NYPD does have tasers
Getting tased with 50.000 volts leads to muscle spasms, which can cause accidents such as stabbing yourself. However there are other methods to stop him, we are not exactly aware of what happened during or split seconds before the shooting.
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A knife wound most likely wouldn't kill him.
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A knife wound most likely wouldn't kill him.
Not actually true. Knives can sometimes be more lethal than bullets because they can cause even more injury on removal.
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At least they could have tried.
There would be a big chance of him staying alive.
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At least they could have tried.
There would be a big chance of him staying alive.
Try with what? There's no reason to kill themselves to stop someone who refuses to give up, and has all the intentions to hurt anyone who tries to stop them...
That's saying that one innocent life should be taken so a guilty one can be spared. That is by no means fair at all. They gave the man plenty of time to surrender, but he refused. That is of his own, unfortunate fault.
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What do you expect them to do? Say "drop the knife" and just follow him until he stabs someone or himself? Judging by how far he was able to walk with it in an aggressive stance, he had plenty of warning.
As trained police officers they should, no they need to know how to disarm a man with knife.
You are talking that he is guilty. Yes he is. But I didn't know that possession of knife and drawing in public is punishable by death. @.@
And no one said that someone needs to die, just they could resolve this situation a bit better, with no one getting killed.
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As trained police officers they should, no they need to know how to disarm a man with knife.
You are talking that he is guilty. Yes he is. But I didn't know that possession of knife and drawing in public is punishable by death. @.@
And no one said that someone needs to die, just they could resolve this situation a bit better, with no one getting killed.
The officers were trained, and they did exactly what they had to.
You don't just walk up to someone holding a knife and pull some karate move on them and call it good. The real world does not work that way. The officers drew their weapons and ordered the man to drop his, and tried to calm him as he continued to move. Unless every single one of these cops was corrupt and crazy to shoot someone innocent in public, then the man did something that caused a threat to life, which is why they fired their guns.
If you are a criminal, and you choose to do illegal things, then you should also expect to get caught and be served punishment. The choices we make in this world are only that of our own. You cannot make a choice for another individual. You can only try to persuade them the best you can.
This man decided to do something he shouldn't have, and because he refused to stop doing it, and instead push it farther, he lost his life for it. I agree that it would have been better for the man to live...but given the situation, there was no way out of it unless he had dropped the weapon himself. He made a different choice instead...
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Well, riot shields and pepper sprays / batons could work fine, but what's done is done.
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Well, riot shields and pepper sprays / batons could work fine, but what's done is done.
Calling in a SWAT team on a suspect with a knife is not only overkill, but by the time SWAT would have arrived, it would have been long since over, or someone would have been badly hurt or killed.
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Calling in a SWAT team on a suspect with a knife is not only overkill, but by the time SWAT would have arrived, it would have been long since over, or someone would have been badly hurt or killed.
SWAT's priority is to save lives, not to kill, and NYPD ESU has also specialized negotiators. In any cases SWAT has been called for less dangerous situations from these one.
And if it's not SWAT who will respond fast, then who will be, Mounted police?
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Jesus NYPD is fucking trigger happy, I think they best change there procedures this is what the 3rd shooting like this were a gun was not nesscacy, also look how many cops were there Your telling me a tazer couldn't stop a man with a knife hell the cop got tons of backup and they would have surrounded him but nope I think i see better police professionalism from Freecops then actually NYPD, Hell I think I might apply to be a NYPD officer, get a badge a gun a car w/ sirens to tell people to GTFO and I get a "Shoot TO kill and ask questions later" policy on pretty much everything.
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SWAT's priority is to save lives, not to kill, and NYPD ESU has also specialized negotiators. In any cases SWAT has been called for less dangerous situations from these one.
And if it's not SWAT who will respond fast, then who will be, Mounted police?
This entire event took place within what, 5 minutes? I'd love to see any large police Department in a massively crowded city respond to and plan for such a situation within that amount of time, and still be successful. That's like saying the President should've nuked the terrorists responsible for 9/11 as soon as they got warning a plane was hijacked. It's asking for the impossible. This is not the perfect world...especially for tactical situations.
Jesus NYPD is f**king trigger happy, I think they best change there procedures this is what the 3rd shooting like this were a gun was not nesscacy, also look how many cops were there Your telling me a tazer couldn't stop a man with a knife hell the cop got tons of backup and they would have surrounded him but nope I think i see better police professionalism from Freecops then actually NYPD, Hell I think I might apply to be a NYPD officer, get a badge a gun a car w/ sirens to tell people to GTFO and I get a "Shoot TO kill and ask questions later" policy on pretty much everything.
What are you talking about? They gave him multiple warnings. He was the one who proceeded to move down the street towards civilians. He had a knife.
People, let me put this into perspective. A knife can be just as easily lethal as a gun. If he had a gun, this story wouldn't exist. Tell me where the difference in that is.
This entire story is just the media blowing something up and looking for attention for yet another story for ratings. Even if police had tazers and could deploy them, you're talking about a group of officers, not sure who may have to make the first move, all aiming electronic weapons at a suspect that might not even go down when they are used. Secondly, a tazer is classified as a lesser-lethal weapon. A knife is a lethal weapon. Not only are those unfair odds, but tazers don't shoot that far, so by the time the suspect is in range, someone could be stabbed...including himself.
There's not much else you can do in this kind of situation by be prepared for any scenario, and try to talk him out of it...which is exactly what they did.
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This entire event took place within what, 5 minutes? I'd love to see any large police Department in a massively crowded city respond to and plan for such a situation within that amount of time, and still be successful. That's like saying the President should've nuked the terrorists responsible for 9/11 as soon as they got warning a plane was hijacked. It's asking for the impossible. This is not the perfect world...especially for tactical situations.
What are you talking about? They gave him multiple warnings. He was the one who proceeded to move down the street towards civilians. He had a knife.
People, let me put this into perspective. A knife can be just as easily lethal as a gun. If he had a gun, this story wouldn't exist. Tell me where the difference in that is.
This entire story is just the media blowing something up and looking for attention for yet another story for ratings. Even if police had tazers and could deploy them, you're talking about a group of officers, not sure who may have to make the first move, all aiming electronic weapons at a suspect that might not even go down when they are used. Secondly, a tazer is classified as a lesser-lethal weapon. A knife is a lethal weapon. Not only are those unfair odds, but tazers don't shoot that far, so by the time the suspect is in range, someone could be stabbed...including himself.
There's not much else you can do in this kind of situation by be prepared for any scenario, and try to talk him out of it...which is exactly what they did.
Well I herd alot more then 1 shot seems like the officers didn't care, also Ever herd of shooting in non lethal area's, hell they should have called Officer MCShootsaDog cause hes a great shot, maybe he woulda aimed for the leg or arm, but your going to tell me the 6-9 shots i herd were all in non lethal area's has dobut it, Hell Take my local pd ON A episode of cops we have a cop who SHOT a man who had a knife however he hit him in his upper leg, didnt kill the man. Again NYPD should take from tips from ARPD officers at least they know how to shoot to kill. Also for ""professional" officers, and who wouldn't shoot more then once, hell someone has to be a higher rank and it sounds like there good at yelling, orders could have been like "I 'l take the shot" and i mean a tazer shot, but then again your the person who also degraded the UK's cop because they dont carry guns. Maybe with your logic we should be like Mexico and have cops with fully armed assault rifles that a bribe able that are also double agents for Drug Cartels, but hey no one fucks with em right?
Also it's not over glorified media if someone puts it online, I dont see major news companies spinning the story, this is just a 1st person account of what 1 person saw, happens alot theses days, but i guess you'd also say that using mace like spray paint on peaceful protestors is "Dangerous duty for officers and it threatens the public security"
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That has to be the most unsafe and irresponsible act of police work I have ever seen. Putting yourself and others around you in danger by confronting a man with a weapon of that size with nothing but a baton might seem brave in your eyes but all that scene tells me is that European Police are not properly equipped to safely deal with people who are threatening their lives. Good job to the officers involved, all cops are brothers no matter where in the world you are and I appreciate their hard work and dedication, but your Government obviously has no respect for officer Safety.
That was in London, and how the f**k was it irresponsible? Most of them had tazers, all of them had police batons, you can't say British police arnt equipped properly, they were given the choice to have guns in 2008, they turned it down because they don't want guns, unlike most trigger happy American cops Britains police (and most of Europes) turn to tazers and batons instead because they don't want to publicly shoot dead armed people, and ofc Britain has specially trained armed responce units when they are needed for situations where someone has a hostage or just guns, but IMO the situation in the British video compared to the NY one was handled much better, 30 cops, riot shields all surrounded him and there were ZERO casualties not even to the man wielding the giant knife, how many casualties were there in the NY video? Oh yea 1. And even a whitness was shouting 'That kill was not justified!' and he's probibly right, we all know what American cops are like with guns, just like you can tell with that NYPD pitbull video thats also on the forums.
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Try with what? There's no reason to kill themselves to stop someone who refuses to give up, and has all the intentions to hurt anyone who tries to stop them...
That's saying that one innocent life should be taken so a guilty one can be spared. That is by no means fair at all. They gave the man plenty of time to surrender, but he refused. That is of his own, unfortunate fault.
Like I said, with a taser.
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Like I said, with a taser.
You obviously have no idea of how a taser works, I'll not bother again explaining.
Even though it seems like it's standard protocol to shoot knife wielding suspects in US, we should not bother continuing this topic
Police Shoot Man Over 40 Times (Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cAAM4TXPdw#ws)
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Well I herd alot more then 1 shot seems like the officers didn't care, also Ever herd of shooting in non lethal area's, hell they should have called Officer MCShootsaDog cause hes a great shot, maybe he woulda aimed for the leg or arm, but your going to tell me the 6-9 shots i herd were all in non lethal area's has dobut it, Hell Take my local pd ON A episode of cops we have a cop who SHOT a man who had a knife however he hit him in his upper leg, didnt kill the man. Again NYPD should take from tips from ARPD officers at least they know how to shoot to kill. Also for ""professional" officers, and who wouldn't shoot more then once, hell someone has to be a higher rank and it sounds like there good at yelling, orders could have been like "I 'l take the shot" and i mean a tazer shot, but then again your the person who also degraded the UK's cop because they dont carry guns. Maybe with your logic we should be like Mexico and have cops with fully armed assault rifles that a bribe able that are also double agents for Drug Cartels, but hey no one f**ks with em right?
Also it's not over glorified media if someone puts it online, I dont see major news companies spinning the story, this is just a 1st person account of what 1 person saw, happens alot theses days, but i guess you'd also say that using mace like spray paint on peaceful protestors is "Dangerous duty for officers and it threatens the public security"
I'm not even going to constitute that with a reply because every single thing you said is just biased provoking.
And for the record, the UK cop thing was meant to be a joke. I even apologized to those that were offended by it because it was meant for us all to laugh. I would never seriously insult a non-corrupt officer in my life. You all know that I have too much respect for them for that.
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I'm not even going to constitute that with a reply because every single thing you said is just biased provoking.
Or could it be the fact that your trying to explain things from a cops perspective and yet your not and if I remember right you even failed the basic entrance test to even apply for a cop.
And for the record, the UK cop thing was meant to be a joke. I even apologized to those that were offended by it because it was meant for us all to laugh. I would never seriously insult a non-corrupt officer in my life. You all know that I have too much respect for them for that.
Double Standards your Sir has them.
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This is how we deal with a similar incident.
30 UK Police vs man armed with machete in the street. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw#ws)
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This is how we deal with a similar incident.
30 UK Police vs man armed with machete in the street. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw#ws)
Exactly how it should have happened.
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I can just imagine all those cops shouting "/GU SIR"
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You obviously have no idea of how a taser works, I'll not bother again explaining.
Even though it seems like it's standard protocol to shoot knife wielding suspects in US, we should not bother continuing this topic
Police Shoot Man Over 40 Times (Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cAAM4TXPdw#ws)
If American cops didn't have guns, America would be a safer place.. :lol:
Honestly though American cops are more trigger happy than the armed suspects they chase.
Why do you need guns when someone is using a melee weapon? Use tasers, pepper spray and police dogs.
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Or could it be the fact that your trying to explain things from a cops perspective and yet your not and if I remember right you even failed the basic entrance test to even apply for a cop.
You remembered wrong. I never failed any entrance test. Why else would I have been in the police academy? Way to provoke there with false facts buddy. Just thought you'd like to know that there also is no such thing as an entrance test. You watch too many movies. ;)
And actually yes...a cop's perspective would likely be the correct one to use here since this incident is about cops shooting someone.
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You remembered wrong. I never failed any entrance test. Why else would I have been in the police academy? Way to provoke there with false facts buddy. Just thought you'd like to know that there also is no such thing as an entrance test. You watch too many movies. ;)
And actually yes...a cop's perspective would likely be the correct one to use here since this incident is about cops shooting someone.
It's like saying I can say the truth about humans, since I am also one.
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It's like saying I can say the truth about humans, since I am also one.
Humans aren't trained to be humans. Police are trained to carry out Law Enforcement work.
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In the case of that video where the police dealt with the machete-armed man, the area was a section of the street, where the immediate vicinity of the suspect was cleared of all people except for the cops and the suspect himself.
However, in New York City, you have an area where there can be hundreds (if not, thousands) on a city block, even on a normal day. With the distance that the knife-wielding man traveled and the amount of victims he could have stabbed, simply distracting him, getting him to chase you around a police car, or waiting for a SWAT team to arrive is not a very practical option.
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In the case of that video where the police dealt with the machete-armed man, the area was a section of the street, where the immediate vicinity of the suspect was cleared of all people except for the cops and the suspect himself.
However, in New York City, you have an area where there can be hundreds (if not, thousands) on a city block, even on a normal day. With the distance that the knife-wielding man traveled and the amount of victims he could have stabbed, simply distracting him, getting him to chase you around a police car, or waiting for a SWAT team to arrive is not a very practical option.
I understand that however im not questing why to shoot someone, im trying to ask why its acceptable to gun a man down, there wasnt just 1 gunshot there was multiple Shooting someone and gunning them down like the cops did are two different things, it jut goes to show you the first reaction to gun shots is to shoot back, and thus i throw into question there training and professionalism but all i get back is replys like "Well if i was that cop and I do this ETC" and "In this county we would do this" lets face it we can all throw in our own words for thoes phrases. Im not here to play what I would have done because Im not a cop, what I know is that this could have been done better instead of making this seem like a day in idlewood in Argo, the oficer who shot could have shot the man in a non lethal area and there wouldnt need to continues gun fire unless this guy was like Rambo and just wont go down, however even then Tazers could have worked but Mr. D here would comment saying "OH to many people to control no one taking lead" blah blah, this leads back to Training and Professionalism the two things I AM really calling into question with the NYPD.
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Hey Chris you seeing this shit ?! Whiteboys maaaan. That's all that got my interest in the video.
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Ofcourse! That's because you sit infront of your PC with your face stuck in a forum playing wire knight in the forums, while i was riding my moped. And to drive a moped, you need to have a license over here. So shut your mouth, stand up and do something useful with your life.
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Ofcourse! That's because you sit infront of your PC with your face stuck in a forum playing wire knight in the forums, while i was riding my moped. And to drive a moped, you need to have a license over here. So shut your mouth, stand up and do something useful with your life.
I will go commit a crime, get away with it and brag in a forum about how I escaped the police. I think that will make me useful and so proud, because you know how my daily life is, right :(? It's funny to see how you get offended so easily, almost like teasing a baby with candy, always works with people like you. Good luck finding a job or anything else when you grow up kid.
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Quit the provoking comments and get back on topic.
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I will go commit a crime, get away with it and brag in a forum about how I escaped the police. I think that will make me useful and so proud, because you know how my daily life is, right :(? It's funny to see how you get offended so easily, almost like teasing a baby with candy, always works with people like you. Good luck finding a job or anything else when you grow up kid.
People like me? Pardon?
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I know this is not related to the specific situation, but I thought I'd leave it here rather than create another similar topic.
Another shooting has occured in the US, this time taking place in a New Jersey supermarket.
"A fatal shooting appears to have taken place at a supermarket in the eastern US state of New Jersey.
Local media and police officials said that at least three people died in the incident, including the gunman.
An official told Associated Press that the shooting happened in the early hours of Friday in Old Bridge, a suburb about 25 miles (40km) from New York."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19438776 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19438776)
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People like me? Pardon?
You will not be warned again. Drop the off-topic, provocative discussion. If you feel someone has offended you, use the report link.
I know this is not related to the specific situation, but I thought I'd leave it here rather than create another similar topic.
Another shooting has occured in the US, this time taking place in a New Jersey supermarket.
"A fatal shooting appears to have taken place at a supermarket in the eastern US state of New Jersey.
Local media and police officials said that at least three people died in the incident, including the gunman.
An official told Associated Press that the shooting happened in the early hours of Friday in Old Bridge, a suburb about 25 miles (40km) from New York."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19438776 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19438776)
There have been several more shootings recently too. In fact, shooting-related murders in Stockton, California in the United States has gone through the roof. It's nearing 800 murders this year alone, and a good portion are shooting-related.
In all honesty, I don't think it's so much the crazy people obtaining weapons that is making this kind of crime more common. Nearly all of them appear to somehow be related to the economic situation, which is driving people to desperation and fear, which commonly leads to what we see here.
When you lose everything and revert to your instincts to survive, things get hectic trying to cope in modern society. I honestly won't be surprised if it keeps getting worse, either.
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I don't think it's so much the crazy people obtaining weapons that is making this kind of crime more common. Nearly all of them appear to somehow be related to the economic situation, which is driving people to desperation and fear, which commonly leads to what we see here.
When you lose everything and revert to your instincts to survive, things get hectic trying to cope in modern society. I honestly won't be surprised if it keeps getting worse, either.
I think you may be right there. Since the economic crisis in America I have seen an increased amount of shootings in the media. They are becoming a regular occurance. I hope the next President will address this issue before it spirals out of control too far.