Hey can we get an English speak one too? plz plz !!You already have this entire community for that.
1st of April is far this time ;)Indeed it is. I need to find translators now. :lol:
Indeed it is. I need to find translators now. :lol:
You already have this entire community for that.I was being sarcastic.. :3
Why is that so?ARFD supports all of the GTA RP servers in Argo. Now I have to add support for the Russian server too, and I don't speak Russian. :lol:
ARFD supports all of the GTA RP servers in Argo. Now I have to add support for the Russian server too, and I don't speak Russian. :lol:
1st of April is far this time ;)
Vodka ain't flammable ;)Apparently you've never heard of a Molotov Cocktail. ;)
For study Russian... I do not think its a good idea to register in Russian network OK (OdnoKlassniki) cos its a lil difficult... But if you feel you can handle it - no problems, will help to learn new words... :)Just for reference, I noticed that the site is very compatible with Google Chrome's built-in translator from Google Translate, so users having trouble should have little issue registering with that on. It made it a breeze for me. So far the only issue I'm having is getting my activation code to my phone, because it's not sending it for some reason or another, which is preventing me from joining the group. Overall, despite not being a Russian speaker, I find the site very easy to use. It was a great choice RON. :)
Oh ok, cos for me it was a lil difficult... :)No worries man. You picked a great site. :)
Question: I want to learn Russian. Where do I begin?I've heard that Rosetta Stone's products are some of the best out there for picking up a new language at any age. I would personally recommend that based on friends' testimonies of it, but I've never used it myself.
Question: I want to learn Russian. Where do I begin?Rosetta Stone + Learn in your car.
Indeed i heard some good stuff about Rosetta Stone
Only done the Dutch one, and it was nice and easy - very quick to pick up and you start forming sentences in your mind which are almost always right.Am going to try the Arabic one.
Toxic has used the Spanish one, so I'm sure he can say something about that. Will check out the site.
What makes me afraid is that there are a high amount russian players and they might flow Argonath, but as far as I know, Argonath is an international server. This means if you put this russian server into consideration, you'll need to manage TWO communities. This means Argonath x2. And before we know it, the main server becomes the russian one instead of the international one...
You might not understand a shit of what I'm talking about, but I do not have a good feelings of this being a good idea.
What makes me afraid is that there are a high amount russian players and they might flow Argonath, but as far as I know, Argonath is an international server. This means if you put this russian server into consideration, you'll need to manage TWO communities. This means Argonath x2. And before we know it, the main server becomes the russian one instead of the international one...
You might not understand a shit of what I'm talking about, but I do not have a good feelings of this being a good idea.
Exactly. I just counted how many players is online on that popular Russian server : 4319 players.
I don't see how the International server will stay the main one, if the Russian server is going to be filled with hundreds and hundreds of players..
What makes me afraid is that there are a high amount russian players and they might flow Argonath, but as far as I know, Argonath is an international server. This means if you put this russian server into consideration, you'll need to manage TWO communities. This means Argonath x2. And before we know it, the main server becomes the russian one instead of the international one...he is having a fear about a fucking russians invasion? do not FUCKING SHIT.
You might not understand a shit of what I'm talking about, but I do not have a good feelings of this being a good idea.
What makes me afraid is that there are a high amount russian players and they might flow Argonath, but as far as I know, Argonath is an international server. This means if you put this russian server into consideration, you'll need to manage TWO communities. This means Argonath x2. And before we know it, the main server becomes the russian one instead of the international one...It wouldn't be two communities. It would just be two identical servers in different languages, hence the separate group RON made. If they want to use the forums, they still have to follow it's rules.
You might not understand a shit of what I'm talking about, but I do not have a good feelings of this being a good idea.
That's not what Paco meant, at all. He meant that we'll get completely overrun by Russian speakers, they'll become the majority and f**k everything up etc
Which I disagree with, we probably will get outnumbered by Russians but it won't change much, they'll stick to themselves mostly
It wouldn't be two communities. It would just be two identical servers in different languages, hence the separate group RON made. If they want to use the forums, they still have to follow it's rules.
That's not what Paco meant, at all. He meant that we'll get completely overrun by Russian speakers, they'll become the majority and f**k everything up etcMeh, they still have to speak English on the international servers/forums, so it doesn't make a difference..
Which I disagree with, we probably will get outnumbered by Russians but it won't change much, they'll stick to themselves mostly
Dear lord.. Are people actually reading what Paco said ? No one spoke about forum and the server they'll have their Russian server so you'll barely see them. But they'll still overrun us since their server is going to be filled 24/7 with hundreds and hundreds of players (if it follows the popular SAMP russian server path).
Dear lord.. Are people actually reading what Paco said ? No one spoke about forum and the server they'll have their Russian server so you'll barely see them. But they'll still overrun us since their server is going to be filled 24/7 with hundreds and hundreds of players (if it follows the popular SAMP russian server path).How is that going to overrun us? They are part of the same community. They wouldn't affect the other servers negatively in any way. If anything, that brings attention to the community overall.
How is that going to overrun us? They are part of the same community. They wouldn't affect the other servers negatively in any way. If anything, that brings attention to the community overall.From my experience, russians doesn't really have much experience with the English language. In other words, they would need a forum for their own in order to communicate with other russian speakers. For example, another server with russian speakers would need their own "News and Announcement" "VC:MP/IV:MP/SA:MP General" and etc. in order to do the same as the international server does. How else would the russian speakers, who doesn't speak English, communicate with each other, like giving suggestions and etc.?
From my experience, russians doesn't really have much experience with the English language. In other words, they would need a forum for their own in order to communicate with other russian speakers. For example, another server with russian speakers would need their own "News and Announcement" "VC:MP/IV:MP/SA:MP General" and etc. in order to do the same as the international server does. How else would the russian speakers, who doesn't speak English, communicate with each other, like giving suggestions and etc.?That is what the Russian group RON made was for...
I agree with you in the attention part, but we must not forget that we're an international community. I really don't like this idea. It'll separate us, and I remember someone said that we'll always remain one community. I can't see that us being one community if this idea is taken into action.
Apparently you've never heard of a Molotov Cocktail. ;)My God.
Maybe Russians do not flame eachother, complain about every single thing, abuse every scripts there is and maybe they do respect adminsMy Godx2, you got no idea :rofl:
I agree with the others,As we are an international server,why we should do that?It's russian's matter to learn english like a Spanish man,a french man,a greek man,a german man,a romanian man and from all the countries.Is Russia a very special country that people are calm,shouldn't learn english and we made that in Russian?I hope you respect that i said,Waiting for respones.
For the mean time, though, that player base is Russian, so...
Is it?
I always thought the majority of players were from Yugoslavia, England, and other Western/Nortern European countries.
I agree with the others,As we are an international server,why we should do that?It's russian's matter to learn english like a Spanish man,a french man,a greek man,a german man,a romanian man and from all the countries.Is Russia a very special country that people are calm,shouldn't learn english and we made that in Russian?I hope you respect that i said,Waiting for respones.Who's "we?"
yes go to internet tab and order by player count, all of them 500 player servers filled with russians
Who's "we?"At least it's understandable. I don't think anyone said that Russians sucks at English, but at least from what I've experienced, I've only met Russians who barely speak English. I wouldn't be surprised to see Russians who speaks English, but the fact that I've met more Russians that doesn't speak English than Russians who speak English, means that there is a high possibility that many players can't use the English language in order to communicate with the rest of us. In other words, not knowing English would give him a big disadvantage when trying to integrate with the rest of the community, which again will lead into a divide in the community.
I love how people here who suck at English are saying that Russians suck at English. This is funny; however, this isn't true at all.
At least it's understandable. I don't think anyone said that Russians sucks at English, but at least from what I've experienced, I've only met Russians who barely speak English. I wouldn't be surprised to see Russians who speaks English, but the fact that I've met more Russians that doesn't speak English than Russians who speak English, means that there is a high possibility that many players can't use the English language in order to communicate with the rest of us. In other words, not knowing English would give him a big disadvantage when trying to integrate with the rest of the community, which again will lead into a divide in the community.Considering what you just wrote, you're not so good at English yourself.
Too bad the Argonath Vision doesn't talk about the international DNA of this community.. which is actually the first thing that makes Argonath Argonath.Why would it? We support players worldwide. The English only in main chat rule is just for speaking, not ethnicity. :)
I really need to agree with Paco in this point, this idea will divide the community and will not really stay international. You do as you wish, but at least take it into consideration.There still hasn't been a single person who has explained in a legitimate way as to how this would split the community. If we are adding players to the community, that would only help it grow. For those unable to speak English, that is why there is a Russian group. If they can speak English, they will join the rest of the community too. That doesn't split anything. If anything at all, that merges players into Argo itself.
Apparently you've never heard of a Molotov Cocktail. ;)
On a positive note, would this not mean increased player flow for the English-speaking servers as well?If any of the Russian players also speak English, it could very well increase the flow of players to the other servers too. Even just by word of mouth and popularity alone, it helps make our community even larger, which leads to even more players that aren't even related to the Russian or English-speaking players themselves.
I just hope that this will not serve to truly cause a divide within the community.
But when I ask for a board where people can have discussions in their language, it becomes world war III.That is an issue relating to those discussing it. It's not so much an overall-community problem, but an issue with differing opinions.
But when I ask for a board where people can have discussions in their language, it becomes world war III.Not at all. Just we should think about if it needs to be set on a subdomain and separated or not. The board list is already long enough as it is, and seeing a lot of strange language posts in the unread topics might also be an issue.
Not at all. Just we should think about if it needs to be set on a subdomain and separated or not. The board list is already long enough as it is, and seeing a lot of strange language posts in the unread topics might also be an issue.
It should be sub domain separated, that way they can have that entire forums to there likings rather than having a board here, as it would only add confusion to the Russian and English players.The problem there is then you are separating the community again.
The problem there is then you are separating the community again.Your really not...I mean who are you separating? Current Members? or future members, you would end up making very cluttered forums if you don't separate the domains, then some of the English topics might turn English/Russian and there would be more SA:MP boards saying the same thing. There is nothing wrong with separating sub domains because Minecraft does it just fine.
Your really not...I mean who are you separating? Current Members? or future members, you would end up making very cluttered forums if you don't separate the domains, then some of the english topics might turn english/russian and there would be more SA:MP boards saying the same thing. There is nothing wrong with separating sub domains because Minecraft does it just fine.Why would any of them become Russian? The forum rules here don't change.
Not at all. Just we should think about if it needs to be set on a subdomain and separated or not. The board list is already long enough as it is, and seeing a lot of strange language posts in the unread topics might also be an issue.I don't see why it should be separated but yeah, the unread post topic is indeed a problem.
The problem there is then you are separating the community again.There is no Russian community within Argonath right now; how can it be separated from the English-speaking part?
you would end up making very cluttered forums if you don't separate the domains, then some of the English topics might turn English/Russian and there would be more SA:MP boards saying the same thing.We have forum moderators for that.
There is no Russian community within Argonath right now; how can it be separated from the English-speaking part?
We have forum moderators for that.
Yes okay we have forum moderators, @Rapture I'm all for whatever takes place in the end whether it's separated or not I'm just voicing what I believe as the right way to go."We?"
I mean how much of this website is english currently? What would we have to do to make it compatible with the Russian language? Would we have to make a little flag thing at the top for Russian/English? What about the point of having the recent topics on the left side, I want to know what the Russians would think of having it separated vs. combined?
Now yes there will be major complications in the unread topic area, and to my left is the Recent Posts in which would be another. And what if we wanted to step further from a SA:MP server what if we wanted a stunt server a, Minecraft server then what will have to happen? We just seclude the Russians to there own little boards? I mean come on let's give them there separate domain so they can have everything we have without the segregation.
"We?"
Just skip foreign posts; that's all.
We as in all of us now, since the new server is not up I find it fitting.stop fighting for the sake of fighting, you're wrong and you're making yourself look even more like a fool
You all need to shut the f**k up and learn to respect the decision of the community FOUNDERS and LEADERS. You guys who do not like the idea of a Russian server - f**k off to another community and enforce your Hitler ideoligies over there, we do not want it here...LoL at hitler ideologies.
stop fighting for the sake of fighting, you're wrong and you're making yourself look even more like a fool
You could explain it in a much better way than you're doing currently. Being a former administrator I'm sure you're well aware of that.It's already possible without a subdomain too. All those links do is either take you to a page anchor of a category and collapse the others, or it just opens the category itself as a section, depending on how the forum is designed. The first is always possible regardless of forum design, though.
Perhaps it could be set in a way similar to the Paruni website.
cs.paruni.com redirects you to the Paruni forums without the SAMP boards.
samp.paruni.com redirects you to the Paruni forums without any CS boards.
You can also access the entire forum using paruni.com/forum
This is a really clean and convenient method of avoiding any boards you don't wish to be involved with.
I will play the Russian server just to speak English on main chat. :razz:
If you ever get past the login phase, that is :redface::lol: True that.
I remember the owners saying they're short of cash for the server and willing to take donations. Now where the f**k does the ability to keep a -for them- native languaged server up and running come from ? I understand this idea, but it's not fair for the others, if the server is opened under the name of Argonath. Now of course I am in no position to order/judge/do whatsoever about it, but that's just a moral principle, not a definite prohibition.Everything is done on a voluntary basis as far as development goes. The cost is only an issue in terms of hosting stuff. They may be able to safely run another game server on their system without pushing it onto another. That wouldn't raise their costs as long as the server can handle the load safely.
I remember the owners saying they're short of cash for the server and willing to take donations. Now where the f**k does the ability to keep a -for them- native languaged server up and running come from ? I understand this idea, but it's not fair for the others, if the server is opened under the name of Argonath. Now of course I am in no position to order/judge/do whatsoever about it, but that's just a moral principle, not a definite prohibition.Remember that if the Russian server does get players, those players may also donate, and in some time the server might become independent.
Remember that if the Russian server does get players, those players may also donate, and in some time the server might become independent.Servers in Argo don't become independent from the community. They are still part of it, and share much more than just a name.
Do NOT speak a f**king RUSSIAN? do NOT play THERE... Do NOT SHIT ON COMMUNITY with your shitty f**king ideologies and such bullshits. Server owners will do as they f**king please... stop SHITTING.
:rofl:He's right as hell.
Control yourself, please. You are just making it ridiculous.
Do NOT speak a f**king RUSSIAN? do NOT play THERE... Do NOT SHIT ON COMMUNITY with your shitty f**king ideologies and such bullshits. Server owners will do as they f**king please... stop SHITTING.Yeah!! If You Do Not Speak RussiAN fUCKing Dont PlaY THERE plEASE!!!
Servers in Argo don't become independent from the community. They are still part of it, and share much more than just a name.You know very well what he meant. Independent as in being able to take care of itself, running costs etc.
You know very well what he meant. Independent as in being able to take care of itself, running costs etc.You're missing what I'm saying too. They still would not be independent. All of Argo is owned by the same three people, so even running costs, etc. still are shared across the community, just as they always have been. Server Managers, Division Leaders, and Community Leaders don't pay for each server so it can run. The Server Owners pay for all of the costs combined.
Well, you have a weird way of mixing up business sort of independence with community sort of independence in your words then.There is no independence whatsoever. Argo is not a bunch of separate servers that share the same name. It is a unified community with different divisions. People often make the mistake that it's the former, when it's actually the latter.
Look, to recap what was happening here before you stormed in:1. Argonath doesn't take losses from hosting free server software. It takes losses from hosting the systems which host the game servers. If they do not need additional hardware to host the game servers, there is no additional loss.
Emre pointed out the fact that Argonath is running at a loss as it is already, which makes expanding to multiple servers per game to account for multiple languages a counter intuitive decision.
An argument was made that expanding to another language could bring in new people (previously restricted by lack of knowledge of English) who could donate, negating the additional loss of the expansion.
And then you storm in saying that we're all a big community (which, for the record, I have no reason to believe was being questioned).
I mean, what? How is this even relevant to what was being discussed before? Why do you do this?
:rofl:How? I am putting it in a fucking englishes for you.
Control yourself, please. You are just making it ridiculous.
Trying to understand... so most of you are mad cause Russians got their own part of forum/server or whatever?
no we're mad that they'll be twice as big as non-russia side in a week after launchAnd that is a problem... how? You can't live with the fact knowing there is bigger 'section' of Argonath than the one you play in?
Servers in Argo don't become independent from the community. They are still part of it, and share much more than just a name.Read what I said carefully.
Read what I said carefully.My replies weren't aimed at you.
And that is a problem... how? You can't live with the fact knowing there is bigger 'section' of Argonath than the one you play in?
1. Argonath was, is, and will always be a community that should be friendly to new people. We will continue to be a breeding ground for new people to discover the fun of playing by imagination. This is what has brought us official status and creates a regular flow of new players in to our server, keeping the community alive and feeding it.
Make a different forum/site for russians please.They already have a group...
They already have a group...
Not at all. Just we should think about if it needs to be set on a subdomain and separated or not. The board list is already long enough as it is, and seeing a lot of strange language posts in the unread topics might also be an issue.
Make a different forum/site for russians please.
Why not just make a Russian board for their Russian server, just as we have ones for the English ones?"The board list is already long enough as it is, and seeing a lot of strange language posts in the unread topics might also be an issue."
"SA:MP (Russian)"
"The board list is already long enough as it is, and seeing a lot of strange language posts in the unread topics might also be an issue."The board list could easily be shortened. There are some redundant things in the list that are no longer needed, such as the extra links to other community sites when they are already at the bottom of the page.
"The board list is already long enough as it is, and seeing a lot of strange language posts in the unread topics might also be an issue."Could be sorted, for example create a board specifically for non-GTA servers/games and give each difference game/server it's own childboard..?
http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=2534 (http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=2534)
Here is a bar mod for SMF. It gives the advantage for people to chat but most it has a list with different languages that with teamworking with Google Translate it translates the whole page automatically to the language clicked.You don't have to do it all the time as if you do it one time when you move to different pages in forum it will be translated automatically.
"The board list is already long enough as it is, and seeing a lot of strange language posts in the unread topics might also be an issue."If it's an issue, then hide the boards from showing up on unread topics.
If it's an issue, then hide the boards from showing up on unread topics.Exactly, but that still leaves the problem of Russian topic titles in 'Recent Posts'.. :razz:
Exactly, but that still leaves the problem of Russian topic titles in 'Recent Posts'.. :razz:No, it removes it. Unless you specifically look for them, you'll never, ever find a russian post anywhere on forums with them disabled. Example shown: My recent post sidebar, my recent post bar at the bottom and an example of a post on groups section that doesn't show up on either place.
If it's an issue, then hide the boards from showing up on unread topics.I see where you're coming from and this works great on an idividual scale but when we're talking hundreds to thousands of people, this simply doesn't work.
I still dont get why is this even needed if it's real. It's waste of bandwith that we already lack. I can count all the regular Russian players on fingers of my right hand. Do you really want to set up a server for 5 people?
It's waste of bandwith that we already lack.Since when are we lacking in bandwidth?