Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Duncan_James on June 23, 2013, 01:55:38 am
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Hey everyone
After browsing the Argonath Heritage List topic in RS5 section, i noticed how many demands are there: houses and businesses, owned by different players. But there's something which i find really annoying and disturbing, which is that many properties were -and still are- a dream of various players which want these really bad, sooner or later, but some owners still "resist" and don't want to understand the meaning of a word called "change", they just want to keep these properties with force, they refuse all offers to sell and even to think about it. This is something which i compare to dictatorship IRL, a dictator who only wants to keep the chair and is ready to sacrifice his life to stay on it and prevent others -who deserve- to reach it.
Now i'm not talking about specific players or groups, but more generally. Why shouldn't be the reset (if there is one) total and pure? Why shouldn't the chance be given to new and even regular players to buy diffrent properties which they dreamed about not for days, not for months but even for years. Seriously, when i hang out in thre whole SA map, all i see is that a group owns this kind of business in different towns, a clan owns a bunch of houses in different neighbours...etc, while the rest of players own properties which i'm sure, not all of them are 100% happy to own it, but it's the only choice they have.
Some of you may point to me personally: "Why don't you talk about yourself? your house? your business?". Let me clear out something, it's true i love my house which i own since 2008, my business which i own since years, but when it comes to a reset, a full reset, if i loose it to someone else, it's not the end of life, you can't change destiny, infact you have to accept change. Maybe if you loose this house, you'll get a better one. Look at many players: new and regular will be happy when they see this house unowned, this business unowned, this property which they never thought it'll be available for them to buy.
It is true that some properties are better kept by their owners, such as headquarters (i.e. Mafias HQ...and so on) but this doesn't apply on all kinds.
- I believe in change, in properties which have new owners, in happy players for realising their dream of owning a specific house or business.
- I feel my self very courageous and brave to open such a "sensitive" topic about properties in Argonath RPG.
- I am not being hateful to specific people or looking for my or someone's good.
All comments are welcome, and from everyone, but within rules, no provocations or insults will be tolerated
Greetings.
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Because the current owners were also dreaming and didn't get the opportunity laying in front of their feet. I personally had to wait three years to buy an Ammu-Nation, so I don't find it fair for it to get removed from me. Most mafias have spent a lot of time and dedication to build their "empire", taking that away also isn't fair.
And there's always an offer that the other person can't refuse. ;)
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Personally, i think that many "current" owners got the opportunity exactly in front of their feet, and i haven't see them speaking about any close auction or something like that. Some "current" owners have this kind of thinking: "Oh god, it's been over a month, i've got to login with anyway, lemme install GTA SA on my grandma's PC, lemme go to my cousin and login there, i should never reach 3 monthes of inactivity, this property is mine and should stay mine, nobody else should own it, either i do or it gets removed." I'm not talking about you, but about some people.
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Because the current owners were also dreaming and didn't get the opportunity laying in front of their feet. I personally had to wait three years to buy an Ammu-Nation, so I don't find it fair for it to get removed from me. Most mafias have spent a lot of time and dedication to build their "empire", taking that away also isn't fair.
And there's always an offer that the other person can't refuse. ;)
Just easy money, all businesses and houses should be sold, everything should be reset, otherwise nothing will change.
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+1 Mikal. Everyone has the right to keep their businesses once they buy them, but when it comes to RS5, when it comes to a reset, people should instead accept that it's a reality.
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Personally, i think that many "current" owners got the opportunity exactly in front of their feet, and i haven't see them speaking about any close auction or something like that. Some "current" owners have this kind of thinking: "Oh god, it's been over a month, i've got to login with anyway, lemme install GTA SA on my grandma's PC, lemme go to my cousin and login there, i should never reach 3 monthes of inactivity, this property is mine and should stay mine, nobody else should own it, either i do or it gets removed." I'm not talking about you, but about some people.
I totally agree with you. Some players don't play Argo , but login once every month just to keep their properties ... why keep them if they don't use them ?
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+1 Quick. If all, or the majority of heritage demands are accepted and applied, there's no point of a reset; or even RS5 if i'm allowed to say so.
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Personally, i think that many "current" owners got the opportunity exactly in front of their feet, and i haven't see them speaking about any close auction or something like that. Some "current" owners have this kind of thinking: "Oh god, it's been over a month, i've got to login with anyway, lemme install GTA SA on my grandma's PC, lemme go to my cousin and login there, i should never reach 3 monthes of inactivity, this property is mine and should stay mine, nobody else should own it, either i do or it gets removed." I'm not talking about you, but about some people.
I don't see nothing wrong with that. When I was holding Gvardia Ammu-Nation in Las Venturas I wasn't entering that for a month sometimes as well, despite the fact I was probably on everyday that month. If I did enter it any earlier, it was because it needed restocking or because it was the closest Ammu-Nation I could use. Not coming in game for the same amount of time is basically the same.
If we choose a reset because of this reason, then a reset will need to be done every year or two.
Just easy money, all businesses and houses should be sold, everything should be reset, otherwise nothing will change.
Please tell me how resetting everything stops people from DMing, keeps from hacking and encourages people to role-play more.
I totally agree with you. Some players don't play Argo , but login once every month just to keep their properties ... why keep them if they don't use them ?
Nobody uses a business like a fast food restaurant or an Ammu-Nation because it's not really needed. If you do actually use it more, then that's probably because you want more money. If you have a club or something, you're going to be needing to use to make profit; it's all about the type of business. :)
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Thing is, it's a game.
Owners will hopefully choose the correct stuff to keep, and those who simply want to keep their money in RS5 from RS4.1 will not be able to, because there will be no need.
However, I think Ancelotti, Gvardia stuff should be sold, unless they can actually show it's not just 4 people playing as Gvardias / Ancelottis or what not, every so often.
If they're having little to no positive effect on the community in general, why bother?
No point looking in the future, focus on the future, if something was good back then, there's no guarantee it can be better in the future.
CoastGuard HQ should be State though.
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Owners will hopefully choose the correct stuff to keep, and those who simply want to keep their money in RS5 from RS4.1 will not be able to, because there will be no need.
However, I think Ancelotti, Gvardia stuff should be sold, unless they can actually show it's not just 4 people playing as Gvardias / Ancelottis or what not, every so often.
Funny you actually state Gvardia. Gvardia is the only mafia who has been more active than inactive from the day it was created 'till today. But then again, other than Ancelotti and Gvardia, other mafias don't have anything to lose. :lol:
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Why do "top" players have the majority of ammunations and clothes shops in San Andreas, while others have a simple house here, a 24/7 visited once in a year there?
Take a ride and check San Andreas ammunations and clothes shops and gas stations, what do you notice?
Take a ride in San Fierro, Las Venturas, El Corona, East Los Santos, Verona Beach...etc, what do you notice?
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is the server down?
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is the server down?
:trust:
Yes it is :cop:
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Why do "top" players have the majority of ammunations and clothes shops in San Andreas, while others have a simple house here, a 24/7 visited once in a year there?
Take a ride and check San Andreas ammunations and clothes shops and gas stations, what do you notice?
Take a ride in San Fierro, Las Venturas, El Corona, East Los Santos, Verona Beach...etc, what do you notice?
Because to get to the top, you got to work your ass off. If you're not, work harder, everyone has that opportunity. :)
I've also had a simple 24/7 and a shitty 100k house; I had to work for an upgrade.
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Although, HQ's shouldn't be reset, what would Gvardia be without Queens, Ancelotti without Avispa, Corleone without the "hill-mansion, and Svenssons without the Flint Range Farm.
I mean, atleast the Svensson Farm has been around since -07 so it is "legendary". And I bet the same with Gvardia/Corleone etc.
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What would the mafias be without their empires? After years of work having to go on fireman duty or cop duty to make money?
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I think everything should be sold.
RS5 starting should be equal for everybody. Maybe what i think is that official groups and clan can keep just their HQ and 1 business
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Maybe because those at the "top" worked hard to get to where they are or simply got lucky in a lotto/gambling lol.
It might all change once RS5 comes around they could end up doing it all over again, thus giving EVERYONE a chance to purchase the good properties on the server.
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It might all change once RS5 comes around they could end up doing it all over again, thus giving EVERYONE a chance to purchase the good properties on the server.
And then we will be having the same discussion in a year or two, except this time those who don't have those properties now will be completely against the idea. :)
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I've been without money for like a year on Argonath before grabbing my opportunity, afterwards I've spent over 2 years in Stracci before actually achieving something and getting my hands on exclusive mansion that NitrOx used as HQ since late 2007. So yeah, most of us didn't just sit on a bench with hobo skin on believing we'll get our hands on exclusive shit.
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+1 Ernst. For your information, a "millionaire" told me once that he offered many times "current" owners to buy a house in Richman or an ammu in SA but they refused.
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+1 Ernst. For your information, a "millionaire" told me once that he offered many times "current" owners to buy a house in Richman or an ammu in SA but they refused.
They obviously didn't offer a good deal then. :)
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They obviously didn't offer a good deal then. :)
On my rich day i offered 10mil+ for every single official ammu on Argonath and i got rejected all offers.
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Hey everyone
After browsing the Argonath Heritage List topic in RS5 section, i noticed how many demands are there: houses and businesses, owned by different players. But there's something which i find really annoying and disturbing, which is that many properties were -and still are- a dream of various players which want these really bad, sooner or later, but some owners still "resist" and don't want to understand the meaning of a word called "change", they just want to keep these properties with force, they refuse all offers to sell and even to think about it. This is something which i compare to dictatorship IRL, a dictator who only wants to keep the chair and is ready to sacrifice his life to stay on it and prevent others -who deserve- to reach it.
Now i'm not talking about specific players or groups, but more generally. Why shouldn't be the reset (if there is one) total and pure? Why shouldn't the chance be given to new and even regular players to buy diffrent properties which they dreamed about not for days, not for months but even for years. Seriously, when i hang out in thre whole SA map, all i see is that a group owns this kind of business in different towns, a clan owns a bunch of houses in different neighbours...etc, while the rest of players own properties which i'm sure, not all of them are 100% happy to own it, but it's the only choice they have.
Some of you may point to me personally: "Why don't you talk about yourself? your house? your business?". Let me clear out something, it's true i love my house which i own since 2008, my business which i own since years, but when it comes to a reset, a full reset, if i loose it to someone else, it's not the end of life, you can't change destiny, infact you have to accept change. Maybe if you loose this house, you'll get a better one. Look at many players: new and regular will be happy when they see this house unowned, this business unowned, this property which they never thought it'll be available for them to buy.
It is true that some properties are better kept by their owners, such as headquarters (i.e. Mafias HQ...and so on) but this doesn't apply on all kinds.
- I believe in change, in properties which have new owners, in happy players for realising their dream of owning a specific house or business.
- I feel my self very courageous and brave to open such a "sensitive" topic about properties in Argonath RPG.
- I am not being hateful to specific people or looking for my or someone's good.
All comments are welcome, and from everyone, but within rules, no provocations or insults will be tolerated
Greetings.
+1.
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True, Kaslu. People offered millions and the only answer they got is: "No, it's not for sale" or they just give an impossible price just to block the propery from being sold to someone else.
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+1.
Why you quote all? :cry:
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On my rich day i offered 10mil+ for every single official ammu on Argonath and i got rejected all offers.
Then tell me why some of them were sold for less than half of that price in the last year?
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Give some example antonio.
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Speak with names and numbers, Antonio :)
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Give some example antonio.
Bone County Ammu-Nation that's currently owned by Gvardia was once sold for 2m by Danny Stracci and once by Warren for somewhere near 4m. Fort Carson Ammu-Nation was on auction and was sold for 3.5m. Blueberry Ammu-Nation was sold by Sforza.
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Bone County Ammu-Nation that's currently owned by Gvardia was once sold for 2m by Danny Stracci and once by Warren for somewhere near 4m. Fort Carson Ammu-Nation was on auction and was sold for 3.5m. Blueberry Ammu-Nation was sold by Sforza.
Wasn't sold at the end, f**k I miss those 2m. But true, at that point of time in 2011, ammunation price was 2M from what I recall, unless it was property owned by highranked members of offical mafias.
edit - gram mistake
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I see more "switches" and "pre-made" deals between mafia members and close friends than selling to normal people. Two faces for the same coin.
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I see more "swiches" and "pre-made" deals between mafia members and close friends more than selling to normal people.
Gvardia and Stracci were sworn enemies at that time, current owner of Blueberry Ammu-Nation is not even a mafia member and the owner of Fort Carson Ammu-Nation is a cop(?)
When there's a sale, there's the option of "offering a good price" or "taking the buyout".
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What i'm trying to say is that the Heritage List is pointless and is a mistake, if there's a reset, it should be with it's real and complete meaning, if there's no reset, we shall continue like nothing happened and everything will continue as it is. I didn't open the topic to tell stories, but more to speak about RS5, about what is coming, about future plans.
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Why do "top" players have the majority of ammunations and clothes shops in San Andreas, while others have a simple house here, a 24/7 visited once in a year there?
Take a ride and check San Andreas ammunations and clothes shops and gas stations, what do you notice?
Take a ride in San Fierro, Las Venturas, El Corona, East Los Santos, Verona Beach...etc, what do you notice?
I don't consider myself a "top" player in Argonath..I own the Dillimore Ammunation, I'm not apart of some criminal family, or some power house clan. I have a clan with 6 members, nothing special nothing over the top. I worked my ass of to get my ammunation. Would I be sad if I lost it, of course, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. But on the flip side, I've owned my ammunation for well over a year and declined offers excessing 12 million dollars to sell it strictly for hoping to keep it when RS5 comes out. Why should I have to lose something I made on my own without the help of other for ever 3 years just for someone else to snatch it up at the start of a new script? I even utilize this for roleplay with other players, by placing gun shipments when restocking. Having the outside cleaned by the sanitation department. It's not because I'm money hungry or power hungry, hell I don't make more than a 50k profit have the time because I set the fee so low, but its a pride factor to say that I worked my ass off and this is my own achievement to have this..
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By this you are refusing the whole reset idea, which is 99% likely to happen. We are all equal in Argonath RPG, if we keep we keep all, if we loose we loose all, with exceptions of course.
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I don't consider myself a "top" player in Argonath..I own the Dillimore Ammunation, I'm not apart of some criminal family, or some power house clan. I have a clan with 6 members, nothing special nothing over the top. I worked my ass of to get my ammunation. Would I be sad if I lost it, of course, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. But on the flip side, I've owned my ammunation for well over a year and declined offers excessing 12 million dollars to sell it strictly for hoping to keep it when RS5 comes out. Why should I have to lose something I made on my own without the help of other for ever 3 years just for someone else to snatch it up at the start of a new script? I even utilize this for roleplay with other players, by placing gun shipments when restocking. Having the outside cleaned by the sanitation department. It's not because I'm money hungry or power hungry, hell I don't make more than a 50k profit have the time because I set the fee so low, but its a pride factor to say that I worked my ass off and this is my own achievement to have this..
Nailed it.
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By this you are refusing the whole reset idea, which is 99% likely to happen. We are all equal in Argonath RPG, if we keep we keep all, if we loose we loose all, with exceptions of course.
I'm not refusing the idea of a reset at all, I directly stated that if I did lose it, it wouldn't be the end of the world. I'd work my ass off again to gain it all back just like I have now. But why should it be fair for me, or Danny, or anyone else on Argonath who has worked there ass off to gain something just to turn around and lose it and have someone else who hasn't put in half the effort of them and snatch it up? You claim this is a system of dictatorship, and it's not. This is a system of capitalism where those who have the most money are successful, well guess what even those with the most money are the same ones who started out like everyone else with little to no money and having to work their ass of to get where they are. The Heritage list has specific guidelines to state who can keep what, and I think it works just fine and so does half the community. It's the unspoken ones who refuse to put in the dedication and hard work to gain stuff themselves, but would rather snatch up the best businesses based on a reset.
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You're showing a bit of selfishness when talking about people who could purchase your property after reset if you don't buy it again first.
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I don't consider myself a "top" player in Argonath..I own the Dillimore Ammunation, I'm not apart of some criminal family, or some power house clan. I have a clan with 6 members, nothing special nothing over the top. I worked my ass of to get my ammunation. Would I be sad if I lost it, of course, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. But on the flip side, I've owned my ammunation for well over a year and declined offers excessing 12 million dollars to sell it strictly for hoping to keep it when RS5 comes out. Why should I have to lose something I made on my own without the help of other for ever 3 years just for someone else to snatch it up at the start of a new script? I even utilize this for roleplay with other players, by placing gun shipments when restocking. Having the outside cleaned by the sanitation department. It's not because I'm money hungry or power hungry, hell I don't make more than a 50k profit have the time because I set the fee so low, but its a pride factor to say that I worked my ass off and this is my own achievement to have this..
I understand your point. You worked hard. I don't see the problem you keep an ammunation. As i said before, you should keep an ammunation por group.
I mean Gvardia have 6 or 8 ammunation idk, just keep 1 for RS5.
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I understand your point. You worked hard. I don't see the problem you keep an ammunation. As i said before, you should keep an ammunation por group.
I mean Gvardia have 6 or 8 ammunation idk, just keep 1 for RS5.
I agree with this, I have always disagreed and look down on monopoly's and that's why they are illegal in the United States, and there are several groups that are close to monopoly's in Argonath but are stopped by 1 or two people. I think allowing one large income per business, depending on whether or not they can afford it would be suitable.
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I agree with this, I have always disagreed and look down on monopoly's and that's why they are illegal in the United States, and there are several groups that are close to monopoly's in Argonath but are stopped by 1 or two people. I think allowing one large income per business, depending on whether or not they can afford it would be suitable.
That's a good suggestion.
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Why do "top" players have the majority of ammunations and clothes shops in San Andreas, while others have a simple house here, a 24/7 visited once in a year there?
Take a ride and check San Andreas ammunations and clothes shops and gas stations, what do you notice?
Take a ride in San Fierro, Las Venturas, El Corona, East Los Santos, Verona Beach...etc, what do you notice?
Cause those top players didn't made topics like this, yet they work hard to get their 'dream' properties.
Do the same and you'll achieve it, but if you(not personally you, in general) are not capable of it or you're simply lazy to work that hard, don't expect to get some 'dream' properties easier then those top players did.
I see more "switches" and "pre-made" deals between mafia members and close friends than selling to normal people. Two faces for the same coin.
That's the way it works, in game and in real world. Again you want to achive the same? No problem, create a powerful group, work hard for years on developing, get good allies and friends, and you'll achieve it. That's how all of us had to do it, nothing was given to us for free.
I understand your point. You worked hard. I don't see the problem you keep an ammunation. As i said before, you should keep an ammunation por group.
I mean Gvardia have 6 or 8 ammunation idk, just keep 1 for RS5.
Yeah, you're the one who's gonna decide who should keep what for RS5.
If you have a problem with the fact we work hard and invested so much in getting AmmuNations, get a group of investors and buy off the AmmuNations one by one, the ones we dont own, and maybe some that we own, that way you'll 'keep' us down, and that's the only way you can actually solve your 'problem' with our AmmuNations.
Gvardia had 1 AmmuNation, while their biggest rivals and enemies had all the others(7-8-9). So 'show' us what you got, instead of asking to get it easier then we had to get it.
Business rivals on the market is the same thing, as rivals on the streets. Its actually the basic of a capitalistic economy. And Argonath Economy is mostly exactly that.
Of course, I have always raised my hand for the "Use it or lose it" approach that Argonath HQ is supporting and practicing, especially cause of newer players, I would even make it stricter then it is now.
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Cause those top players didn't made topics like this, yet they work hard to get their 'dream' properties.
Do the same and you'll achieve it, but if you(not personally you, in general) are not capable of it or you're simply lazy to work that hard, don't expect to get some 'dream' properties easier then those top players did.
That's the way it works, in game and in real world. Again you want to achive the same? No problem, create a powerful group, work hard for years on developing, get good allies and friends, and you'll achieve it. That's how all of us had to do it, nothing was given to us for free.Yeah, you're the one who's gonna decide who should keep what for RS5.
If you have a problem with the fact we work hard and invested so much in getting AmmuNations, get a group of investors and buy off the AmmuNations one by one, the ones we dont own, and maybe some that we own, that way you'll 'keep' us down, and that's the only way you can actually solve your 'problem' with our AmmuNations.
Gvardia had 1 AmmuNation, while their biggest rivals and enemies had all the others(7-8-9). So 'show' us what you got, instead of asking to get it easier then we had to get it.
Business rivals on the market is the same thing, as rivals on the streets. Its actually the basic of a capitalistic economy. And Argonath Economy is mostly exactly that.
Of course, I have always raised my hand for the "Use it or lose it" approach that Argonath HQ is supporting and practicing, especially cause of newer players, I would even make it stricter then it is now.
I'm just giving my opinion. Respect it.
I don't care how many ammu you have on RS4, i care how many you will have on Rs5, RS5 was also planed to give players a equal starting.
So if you "Gvardia" think that you should keep assest, just because you are official you are wrong. If you are so big as you say, show it starting from cero again, like all other non official mafias and clans will do.
I'm just suggesting that keeping the HQ and 1 business for the mafia is better than starting from 0 to you...
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The only selfishness I see in this topic is from the players who want their chance at owning something another player already has.
If an owner is inactive for 3 months, they lose it. If they are active, they keep it because it is rightfully theirs. They worked hard for it, they are managing to remain active enough to keep it running. There is no reason to take their property away from them.
This topic seems to be aimed at ammunations.
I am aware that seeing an unowned ammunation is rare, and players usually do own them for a very long time.
Why? They are the top business. They are the most expensive and they are used the most. There is nothing above them that an owner of an ammunation would sell for. They're already at the top.
A player who doesn't own an ammunation will always look up to them and wish they owned one.
If a player works hard enough, they will get the opportunity to own one. If an offer is rejected it means you need to work harder. If an offer is accepted then you deserve to sit back, reflect on all your hard work and enjoy being in a position many players wish to be in.
The heritage list is something Gandalf came up with to allow roleplay to be continued on in RS5. This is mainly aimed at family HQ's, the type of groups that create roleplay within Argonath.
A small business that promotes roleplay will still be in with a chance. A business that does no roleplay and is there only to get the owner money will have less chance.
What gets carried on into RS5 is not down to the scripters. The decision is solely down to the owners. We can only assist them by giving options.
The option for a reset was given before development even started. The decision on this matter will be revealed either at the server release, or if the owners chose to inform the community beforehand.
You must understand that there are more complex systems in RS5 that will make converting data from RS4 very difficult. It is possible, but whether it's feasible is a different matter.
It would be appreciated if this topic would not be about allowing players to have a better chance at owning every type of property, or that the heritage list is unfair. You should be aware that these are in place because the owners wanted them.
This would not be an enjoyable server if you could simply own any type of property you want when ever you wanted. It's a challenge to own them, which is exactly what a game should be about.
If you do not agree with this, there are other types of servers that may suit you better.
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I'm just giving my opinion. Respect it.
There's a difference in giving opinion, and being a wiseguy.
I don't care how many ammu you have on RS4, i care how many you will have on Rs5, RS5 was also planed to give players a equal starting.
So if you "Gvardia" think that you should keep assest, just because you are official you are wrong. If you are so big as you say, show it starting from cero again, like all other non official mafias and clans will do.
I'm just suggesting that keeping the HQ and 1 business for the mafia is better than starting from 0 to you...
It doesn't matter are we talking about RS4 or RS5 or RS1, it always ends up with the same result after a while.
Its not up to us to show what we're capable of, we did that by making a big business empire of 'dominating and monopoly' as you called it, its up to others to show what they are capable of, like we did when we started from nothing and made all of it.
No ones stopping you or anyone else to enter the 'Market race' and try taking over any business spheres in this game. Its all on your will, dedication, and approach. But don't expect to earn it easier then everyone else before you.
Conroy summarized most of it.
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There's a difference in giving opinion, and being a wiseguy.
It doesn't matter are we talking about RS4 or RS5 or RS1, it always ends up with the same result after a while.
Its not up to us to show what we're capable of, we did that by making a big business empire of 'dominating and monopoly' as you called it, its up to others to show what they are capable of, like we did when we started from nothing and made all of it.
No ones stopping you or anyone else to enter the 'Market race' and try taking over any business spheres in this game. Its all on your will, dedication, and approach. But don't expect to earn it easier then everyone else before you.
Conroy summarized most of it.
Gvardia got never down by admins, they always helped so don't blame that you did all by your count
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Yes that's right Gvardia got never down by admins, just by the entire Argonath HQ for 6 months, and we were still operating and running our show.
Your hate is obvious, but that's not the subject of this topic.
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I don't want to discuss anything more. But i have a clear example of adventage for Gvardia.
You were inactive some months ago. I noticed your inactive on ArgoPanel. Everyday i went for Gvardia Ammu and Gvardia Residence to see if it got unset so i could buy it. After 2 weeks i look at the owner and was the name of admin "holding for Gvardia". As i know when you get inactive for 3 months your business and house get sold. But not this time, admin unset it and keep it just because you are "Gvardia".
If an owner is inactive for 3 months, they lose it.
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Its okay, you're simply not informed.
First of all;
-There's a thing called 'Group's property" its older then Gvardia, and it has been done over 23542352 times before Gvardia did it.
In simple words when a group loses their primary properties cause of a single member inactivity, they have a right to claim it back, since it didn't belong to the player as a private property of his, yet to the group itself.
Second of all;
You could have seen the same scenario for Corleone (Both Hq and some top properties in the past), Ancelotti (With Avispa), Stracci(With most of their AmmuNations), Araatus(Araatus Complex), and many many more.
So the "just because you are Gvardia" is not only untrue, but a rude and provocative statement to make us look bad and protected by admins while in fact, there wasn't a group in Argonath's history that had so much pressure on it by the entire Argonath HQ not just Admins, as much as Gvardia did.
And if you dont belive me ask Gandalf and the rest of them yourself.
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RS5 was also planed to give players a equal starting.
And what, RS3 didn't? Oh, yeah, wait, you weren't even there at the last reset. :redface:
Opportunities were provided earlier; moreover, it's quite likely that those who don't own an Ammu-Nation now will not own one in RS5.
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Funny you actually state Gvardia. Gvardia is the only mafia who has been more active than inactive from the day it was created 'till today. But then again, other than Ancelotti and Gvardia, other mafias don't have anything to lose. :lol:
Corleone Mafia has Corleone Mansion. IMO one of the best houses in SA.
Post Merge: June 23, 2013, 10:41:47 am
And what, RS3 didn't? Oh, yeah, wait, you weren't even there at the last reset. :redface:
Fucking nailed.
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I think my house is the best house ever! I think all owners would say the same, home sweet home :D
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A topic like this is funny. People are crying before anything happens.
Now in case we decide to do a reset, the argument is that 'others will snatch up my property'.
Question: if there is a reset, where would those others get the money from?
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A topic like this is funny. People are crying before anything happens.
Now in case we decide to do a reset, the argument is that 'others will snatch up my property'.
Question: if there is a reset, where would those others get the money from?
Best you thing you should do is cancel RS5, delete the scripts, and everyone will live happily.
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A topic like this is funny. People are crying before anything happens.
Now in case we decide to do a reset, the argument is that 'others will snatch up my property'.
Question: if there is a reset, where would those others get the money from?
Exactly, full reset, everyone starts off with 10k, go work for your damn money, I don't see the point in people just hoarding businesses and homes for years on end, kind of like how people hoard tons of loot on Argo MC and refuse to PVP so that they don't lose any of it, rendering it all just pointless loot, people should have businesses for RP, not for money. :roll:
Best you thing you should do is cancel RS5, delete the scripts, and everyone will live happily.
Are you JDC?
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Exactly, full reset, everyone starts off with 10k, go work for your damn money, I don't see the point in people just hoarding businesses and homes for years on end, kind of like how people hoard tons of loot on Argo MC and refuse to PVP so that they don't lose any of it, rendering it all just pointless loot, people should have businesses for RP, not for money. :roll:
Are you JDC?
You do realise that some houses cost more than 100k, 1m or even 10 million in some cases? It's a game and everything, but when you think of time and everything else you put in to it to get 10 or more millions for that particular house, then losing it and seeing someone get more lucky than you getting the value money, completely burying your hopes on getting that house again has a certain demotivating effect.
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Are you JDC?
No, sue me.
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You do realise that some houses cost more than 100k, 1m or even 10 million in some cases? It's a game and everything, but when you think of time and everything else you put in to it to get 10 or more millions for that particular house, then losing it and seeing someone get more lucky than you getting the value money, completely burying your hopes on getting that house again has a certain demotivating effect.
On the other hand, knowing that you need to work hard to get it back before someone else will have a motivating effect...
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A topic like this is funny. People are crying before anything happens.
Now in case we decide to do a reset, the argument is that 'others will snatch up my property'.
Question: if there is a reset, where would those others get the money from?
Easily. For example, Gvardia will sure as heck get as much money as possible, then pool all the money into their HQ/other valuable assets. Others can intercept them doing the very same.
Post Merge: June 23, 2013, 12:14:21 pm
You do realise that some houses cost more than 100k, 1m or even 10 million in some cases? It's a game and everything, but when you think of time and everything else you put in to it to get 10 or more millions for that particular house, then losing it and seeing someone get more lucky than you getting the value money, completely burying your hopes on getting that house again has a certain demotivating effect.
I think you are right, living a """""prosperous""""" virtual life and looking on 16x16 pixel numbers with houses made from 2004 gfx is certainly the most important thing this world brings. YOLO, I say!
But you know what?
(http://i.imgur.com/CupiM.gif)
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On the other hand, knowing that you need to work hard to get it back before someone else will have a motivating effect...
I would definitely do that for that house in particular, although I doubt that I'll have sufficient time for that when RS5 goes live. That's why I'm a little concerned about it. The process of achieving it is fun, but time consuming. Time, which I'm afraid, I won't have as much as I had earlier.
And Kirgiz, seeing that you're a new player, having never seen you in-game myself, I'll just refrain from remarks. I never said it's the most important thing in the world, I just said it maters quite much in the game that we're all playing here.
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Other Mafias have much to lose (atleast we do) but the thing is most of them give zero f**ks about it. :)
I honestly wouldn't mind if I have to work for my money again and re-acquire the properties of Corleone.
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I'll be sad to lose GS10 and the house next to it :cry:
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Other Mafias have much to lose (atleast we do) but the thing is most of them give zero f**ks about it. :)
I honestly wouldn't mind if I have to work for my money again and re-acquire the properties of Corleone.
What if someone else acquires it first, let's say, the Corleone Mansion, and refuses to sell it by any cost? Wouldn't be a pity?
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What if someone else acquires it first, let's say, the Corleone Mansion, and refuses to sell it by any cost? Wouldn't be a pity?
It would be..
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And Kirgiz, seeing that you're a new player
I'm here for almost 7 years already
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You will support this idea till you get rich. As someone previous said, some peoples worked their ass off to buy a bussiness that will earn them millions, money is not falling from sky
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You will support this idea till you get rich. As someone previous said, some peoples worked their ass off to buy a bussiness that will earn them millions, money is not falling from sky
And then they became too lazy to lift a finger.
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And then they became too lazy to lift a finger.
Or they get tired of working so they can't even lift a finger?
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Corleone Mafia has Corleone Mansion. IMO one of the best houses in SA.
Which has been funded by Cutt3r for months, no?
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Svensson Family without their farm is hard to find working.
But if you guys want maniacs out on the street roaming around, go ahead, take it away! :rofl:
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Nobody's "crying" or "being a comedian" here, we're talking about equality which was confirmed by owners. I mean, if there is a reset, it should be total, with very low exceptions (like mafias HQ's), otherwise it is not a reset (check Oxford Dictionary for the word "reset"). Reset doesn't mean a-selling some players' properties and keeping them for other players or groups just because they are "official" or "old" or "they are important"...and so on. I'm not being jealous but more fair.
If there's no reset, then there shall be no more discussions regarding properties, as everything will stay as it is now and everyone should move on.
Also, nobody asked about "millions" at registration if there's a reset. We can start by 10,000$ and make great efforts to buy our previous properties or get better ones.
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Personally, the only properties i would like to see carried over from RS4 to RS5 is the HQ of old, active groups.
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Personally, the only properties i would like to see carried over from RS4 to RS5 is the HQ of old, active groups.
+1337 Zaila. You got it right.
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Which has been funded by Cutt3r for months, no?
The same way NitrOx got to keep Stracci HQ even after losing it after three months of inactivity. :)
Daniel may not be active but Corleone is.
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The same way NitrOx got to keep Stracci HQ even after losing it after three months of inactivity. :)
Daniel may not be active but Corleone is.
Nobody ever said anything about you keeping your HQ. We're more than aware of the property protection for groups...
tl;dr People who are lazy to work and achieve anything want to take away things from other players because they're jealous. If a reset is done because of this theory of "equality", then we will be having this same conversation a year after everything is reset.
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Nobody's "crying" or "being a comedian" here, we're talking about equality which was confirmed by owners. I mean, if there is a reset, it should be total, with very low exceptions (like mafias HQ's), otherwise it is not a reset (check Oxford Dictionary for the word "reset"). Reset doesn't mean a-selling some players' properties and keeping them for other players or groups just because they are "official" or "old" or "they are important"...and so on. I'm not being jealous but more fair.
If there's no reset, then there shall be no more discussions regarding properties, as everything will stay as it is now and everyone should move on.
Also, nobody asked about "millions" at registration if there's a reset. We can start by 10,000$ and make great efforts to buy our previous properties or get better ones.
It will be clear what we do with the list as soon as final decisions are made.
In the case of a reset it will certainly not be so that people will be given their old property, that would be unfair. However those people who wish to reclaim their old places may be given a limited time to earn enough to do so.
People who want their old house or business back can do so, but it may cost them exta to keep it safe. That way it is fair to all: people have the choice to go for something new or pay to have time for gathering what they need to rebuy their old places.
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Personally, the only properties i would like to see carried over from RS4 to RS5 is the HQ of old, active groups.
For once I agree with you. :razz:
By the way, did you all know Corleone HQ is actually a space observatory? :D
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It will be clear what we do with the list as soon as final decisions are made.
In the case of a reset it will certainly not be so that people will be given their old property, that would be unfair. However those people who wish to reclaim their old places may be given a limited time to earn enough to do so.
People who want their old house or business back can do so, but it may cost them exta to keep it safe. That way it is fair to all: people have the choice to go for something new or pay to have time for gathering what they need to rebuy their old places.
I fail to understand how giving everything to everyone that belongs to them is unfair.
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Gandalf, I don't see how taking stuff away from its owner is fair. Seriously, I'm not too lazy to raise a finger, as you said before, I'm just pretty much sure I won't have as much time as I did before to raise that finger.
Properties should not be taken away. It is totally, unquestionably unfair. I've heard arguments that some people have no chance to get a property they want, that's why resetting the properties is a fantastic, spectacular idea. There is ALWAYS a chance to get a property you want, even right now. Just taking them away just doesn't make sense. Taking money away, on the other hand, does. Not the properties, but the money should be taken, if you want some equality without rising chaos. Having the house, but no money will definitely encourage you to work for it and it wouldn't hurt the majority of people as much.
There are plenty of ways to bring equality to the game and encourage everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, to work.
And Antonio, I totally agree with you there. That's the most logical point there is in this discussion. I encourage everyone to just read this line out loud, if needed, and see if it makes sense.
Giving everything to everyone that belongs to them is unfair!
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So if I see it right:
- taking properties away is unfair.
- not taking properties away is unfair.
Solution:
- National Heritage list.
Why would it be unfair not to take away properties?
In the case of a reset, all will start on the same level. Regardless if they kept their money in cash, invested it in weapons or in a property. If we do take away money and stored goods, but not properties that would be unfair.
People who worked hard and bought a property would keep their value, people who worked equally hard but keep it in liquid assests would not.
Unfair, unequal, unacceptable.
Why would it be unfair to take away the properties?
Some people have kept the same house, HQ or business for 5 years. Others have paid a buyout far more as the value to get that special place. To lose it hurts, to see it picked up by someone else right before you can buy it back would hurt even more. While not unfair as it is the same for every player, still players who hold a place long time should get a way to be 'preferred' to rebuy it.
Solution:
In the case of a reset, it will be a reset for all. And all will start as 'new player' in order not to forget how new players are. That means if you want to buy a house, a car or a business you will have to work for it.
Some will be better at this than others. To avoid them scooping up the good properties and making huge buyout profits, in case of a reset the National Heritage will come in to play. If your property is accepted and listed, for a regular fee you can keep it on the list until you have gathered the money to pay. Not forever, but you will have more time as properties that are not accepted. If you stop to pay the fee, or the holding time expires, anyone can buy the property.
How is this fair? It gives you a choice to keep the property listed and working for it, while it will not be held free or forever. The expiry time will be based on similar properties and activity levels. If you do not want to keep it, do not pay the fee and its anyone's pick. If you want it, work for it, pay the fee, and you can buy it back. If you are not active enough to do it in time, that is your problem.
Nothing is perfect but it is as fair and equal as possible.
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So I have to work to keep something that I've already fully paid off? Great.
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Honestly none of this bickering would be happening if everyone were just told wether the server is going to have a full reset or not, whats the point in keeping everything secret? It's just making everyone agitated. :roll:
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So I have to work to keep something that I've already fully paid off? Great.
In case of a reset you will be a new player, not a veteran.
Will finally make you understand how a cop returning from death feels.....
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So if I see it right:
- taking properties away is unfair.
- not taking properties away is unfair.
Solution:
- National Heritage list.
Why would it be unfair not to take away properties?
In the case of a reset, all will start on the same level. Regardless if they kept their money in cash, invested it in weapons or in a property. If we do take away money and stored goods, but not properties that would be unfair.
People who worked hard and bought a property would keep their value, people who worked equally hard but keep it in liquid assests would not.
Unfair, unequal, unacceptable.
Why would it be unfair to take away the properties?
Some people have kept the same house, HQ or business for 5 years. Others have paid a buyout far more as the value to get that special place. To lose it hurts, to see it picked up by someone else right before you can buy it back would hurt even more. While not unfair as it is the same for every player, still players who hold a place long time should get a way to be 'preferred' to rebuy it.
Solution:
In the case of a reset, it will be a reset for all. And all will start as 'new player' in order not to forget how new players are. That means if you want to buy a house, a car or a business you will have to work for it.
Some will be better at this than others. To avoid them scooping up the good properties and making huge buyout profits, in case of a reset the National Heritage will come in to play. If your property is accepted and listed, for a regular fee you can keep it on the list until you have gathered the money to pay. Not forever, but you will have more time as properties that are not accepted. If you stop to pay the fee, or the holding time expires, anyone can buy the property.
How is this fair? It gives you a choice to keep the property listed and working for it, while it will not be held free or forever. The expiry time will be based on similar properties and activity levels. If you do not want to keep it, do not pay the fee and its anyone's pick. If you want it, work for it, pay the fee, and you can buy it back. If you are not active enough to do it in time, that is your problem.
Nothing is perfect but it is as fair and equal as possible.
That's the statement that i/we waited for a long time, as this is a perfect solution for all conditions, thank you Gandalf.
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In case of a reset you will be a new player, not a veteran.
Will finally make you understand how a cop returning from death feels.....
I was a new player on the server as well, I know how it feels.
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I wonder who said that letting people keep what they earned is unfair
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If a reset would take place, then the maint issue is to adress the inactive players who have all the expensive and most wanted properties. Therefore, I suggest a full reset. Only this would give new players and poorer players a chance.
If you want to own a popular house/business, you have to be active. Otherwise you are just ruining role play opportunities and fun.
Post Merge: June 24, 2013, 12:12:18 am
It will be clear what we do with the list as soon as final decisions are made.
In the case of a reset it will certainly not be so that people will be given their old property, that would be unfair. However those people who wish to reclaim their old places may be given a limited time to earn enough to do so.
People who want their old house or business back can do so, but it may cost them exta to keep it safe. That way it is fair to all: people have the choice to go for something new or pay to have time for gathering what they need to rebuy their old places.
Sounds the best and most fair. This summarized the topic, /quit.
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Old groups who have HQ's they have held for YEARS should get them back such as Corleone Mansion and the Gvardia building in Queens.
I don't agree in giving businesses such as Ammu-Nations back to original owners, everyone should have a fair chance at acquiring them in RS5. First come first serve.
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Very long post with a lot of ethical subjects regarding a money/property reset.
Socialism. :banana:
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All I'm asking is for groups to not lose their HQ's/Compounds, the rest is indifferent to me.
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All I'm asking is for groups to not lose their HQ's/Compounds, the rest is indifferent to me.
Why don't groups just gather their active members, work together and buy their preferred property. This would increase teamwork and motivation under these groups.
Yes, there is an opportunity that someone else will take it before you. But guess what, if you as a group fail to get one property, then I wouldn't consider that a group.
Cheers.
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Def took the words out of my mouth.
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Nobody ever said anything about you keeping your HQ. We're more than aware of the property protection for groups...
What about it then?
Which has been funded by Cutt3r for months, no?
What was your point in asking the question?
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What about it then?
Funny you actually state Gvardia. Gvardia is the only mafia who has been more active than inactive from the day it was created 'till today. But then again, other than Ancelotti and Gvardia, other mafias don't have anything to lose. :lol:
Corleone Mafia has Corleone Mansion. IMO one of the best houses in SA.
Which has been funded by Cutt3r for months, no?
:poke:
What was your point in asking the question?
It was a rhetorical question.
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If is this truth what i read in prev. posts then i am shocked. :gd:
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Which has been funded by Cutt3r for months, no?
The same way NitrOx got to keep Stracci HQ even after losing it after three months of inactivity. :)
Daniel may not be active but Corleone is.
The only reason why Cutt3r's still holding the HQ is because it's safer with him than anyone else.
And he doesn't seem to mind very much either which we really appreciate.
We could've gotten ownership long ago.
Also CMHQ was 'lost' due to property bug.
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The only reason why Cutt3r's still holding the HQ is because it's safer with him than anyone else.
And he doesn't seem to mind very much either which we really appreciate.
We could've gotten ownership long ago.
Also CMHQ was 'lost' due to property bug.
Never asked anything regarding the matter, but okay.
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Never asked anything regarding the matter, but okay.
Simply stated the actual scenario as it was being discussed to some extent, but okay.
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Simply stated the actual scenario as it was being discussed to some extent, but okay.
Glad you understand. :)
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Glad you understand. :)
Likewise. :)
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This is not globalized topic on one thought,it's meeting room for people with they own opinions.
Claiming it's unfair for others not having chance get an veteran mafia empire,is kind of selfish and ego,especially claim they haven't worked for it,like any of you got judgement have they? :evil:
However in mean time,some of them got beyond lazy,that just thought about doing any effort of holding what belongs to them already is also wrong,it's like relationship,got the girl due effort you put into her,must hold it by keeping the effort,even tho it's slightly easier afterwards. :devroll: ,same with your empire.
I do not support both sides,just for plain fact it's again my opinion,like whole this big post at main page.. :redface: :money:
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In the case of a reset it will certainly not be so that people will be given their old property, that would be unfair. However those people who wish to reclaim their old places may be given a limited time to earn enough to do so.
I think that's the most reasonable option.
So I have to work to keep something that I've already fully paid off? Great.
Well.. yea. If there is a money reset then that includes money stored as assets (weapons, properties, vehicles).
The National Heritage List is basically there to stop people intentionally buying certain properties (especially group HQs like the Corleone Mansion, Gvardia HQ, Araatus Complex, Ancelotti Avispa, etc.) just to then resell them to the mafia for a ridiculous sum. It just gives priority to the original owners in that case, so that they can work hard to make money in a structured way and get their nice property back.
I don't really have an opinion on Ammunations since the last time I had one (as a member of Solonik) was the Willowfield Ammuation back in 2008.
Which we sold.. because nobody had any money for guns in 2008.
Balls.
All I'm asking is for groups to not lose their HQ's/Compounds, the rest is indifferent to me.
Yea, this basically.
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Well,if we are talkin about remove the currently accounts yall will be lose everything about it,might be someone else took your properties and lost of important places (( who works for drugs , lucky one's at event )) So,whats the point of wipe ? Thats why we are here to needed to change something here,Maybe mafia's newbie most richest person maybe totally gameplay,i have seen old mafia'z and members currently inactive or AFK at HQ generally.So,that wipe will be give chance to who start game new and wants to get rich and make his name popular.Otherwise,if we keep goin with Gvardia,Corleone,Ancelotti,NBA old type of classic stuff there's no meaning to wipe anything.The main point is must be change something maybe Zerg maybe over power family.If we all start again that game,I'm for sure many ppl cannot get cash soon life b4 game,As i said the main point (( my opinion )) We stuck with those mafias and PD , Airdivision etc.We need something new here and here come's the new thing is RS5.Maybe its time to say goodbye for some familys.
Also i'd like to request forbidden to use old-nick and family patent and surname's , If its about new thing whocares old names and family stuff ? no one , it must be new idea.
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Also i'd like to request forbidden to use old-nick and family patent and surname's , If its about new thing whocares old names and family stuff ? no one , it must be new idea.
wat?
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Also i'd like to request forbidden to use old-nick and family patent and surname's , If its about new thing whocares old names and family stuff ? no one , it must be new idea.
That's just... Wrong. Many players here keep their tags, surnames and names for years. Awards and recognition were acquired, no need for that in my opinion.
About the heritage list, I understand that most of the veteran and hard-working members of SAMP want to keep the properties they worked hard for. It's a totally legit feeling to have, and no-one should think otherwise. What I do not understand is the posts from some (not all!) members on the pages before:
- Yes, we all get it that you want the Gvardia HQ, or the Corleone Mansion, or whatever. They did what you all should've done: Worked for it. They were not given, they were not stolen, they were not created just for them, they were acquired by many hours of gaming and teamwork. You want a shot at it? Work for the value and for a reasonable buyout.
- If the same happened to you guys, don't you dare telling that you wouldn't fight for what you worked hard for.
I personally see no harm in either of the solutions. Yes I worked hard for what I have, but meh... Just want to have fun. Of course some groups engage in a certain level of RP that require some assets. You won't see a Mafia Family with a HQ on a trailer in Flint County. Is this an opportunity to see new roleplay possibilities? Yes. But will it decrease the interest of the members that already busted their asses? Yes.
I do not mind a full reset, but I understand if some people do. I already passed one in MTA:VC, got my rage out in that matter. So, meh...
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Also i'd like to request forbidden to use old-nick and family patent and surname's , If its about new thing whocares old names and family stuff ? no one , it must be new idea.[/b]
No...
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You won't see a Mafia Family with a HQ on a trailer in Flint County.
Sevensson maffia femmily :cool:
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Sevensson maffia femmily :cool:
My bad! :bow:
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All I'm asking is for groups to not lose their HQ's/Compounds, the rest is indifferent to me.
^ That is what I want too. I don't care of private properties, but I do own Svensson Farm right now. But in RS5 you can make it "state owned" if you want, as long as it representative Svensson Family and if
it belongs to Svensson Family too.
It's history, legendary place for the whole family.
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You know what would be really awesome?
To honour great organisations, clans, groups and families which have contributed a lot to Argonath RPG, have a plaque set up near their previous HQ or site to recognise their past deeds. This could be a game icon or better, an object placed. This could be something to be carried forward into server versions, even if the property is reset. At least the mark of great individuals and groups will not be simply wiped out every few years when scripts are changed.
I think this would be the best way of honouring heritage sites that are not government locations.
Ronnel suggested a grace period for reclaiming properties, which sounds good. If properties were directly handed back to players it might damage the server before things can even get started. Understandably, it will be a new world environment, the economy would be different and the playing style may have to change to best suit the new server.
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You know what would be really awesome?
To honour great organisations, clans, groups and families which have contributed a lot to Argonath RPG, have a plaque set up near their previous HQ or site to recognise their past deeds. This could be a game icon or better, an object placed. This could be something to be carried forward into server versions, even if the property is reset. At least the mark of great individuals and groups will not be simply wiped out every few years when scripts are changed.
I think this would be the best way of honouring heritage sites that are not government locations.
Ronnel suggested a grace period for reclaiming properties, which sounds good. If properties were directly handed back to players it might damage the server before things can even get started. Understandably, it will be a new world environment, the economy would be different and the playing style may have to change to best suit the new server.
That would be great to see, however would only cause problems for few groups who in favor would not receive a custom HQ.
I'm not against a reset because I have nothing to loose really, I hate seeing properties being owned by people who just drop in server once every month just to keep the ownership, yet they don't really make any use of them other than owning. Besides that, everyone would just start working by any means, in order to make a living, buy a car and a property so my view is that it will just get the players more active than the current situation.
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That would be great to see, however would only cause problems for few groups who in favor would not receive a custom HQ.
I'm not against a reset because I have nothing to loose really, I hate seeing properties being owned by people who just drop in server once every month just to keep the ownership, yet they don't really make any use of them other than owning. Besides that, everyone would just start working by any means, in order to make a living, buy a car and a property so my view is that it will just get the players more active than the current situation.
The plaque idea would be to commemorate clans/groups and other organisations which have contributed a lot in the past and in the current server version, rather than something given to everyone. While it does not grant any ownership rights or any physical advantages it would certainly recognise sites of great import and would actually designate the heritage sites in the server.
At the same time, it would allow for a full reset and bring everyone back on to the same playing field. And like you mentioned, this should improve activity? :D
Hopefully to an extent this would meet both wishes - people would get a level of recognition for their contributions in the past, and still be able to reap the full benefits of a new server.
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The plaque idea would be to commemorate clans/groups and other organisations which have contributed a lot in the past and in the current server version, rather than something given to everyone. While it does not grant any ownership rights or any physical advantages it would certainly recognise sites of great import and would actually designate the heritage sites in the server.
At the same time, it would allow for a full reset and bring everyone back on to the same playing field. And like you mentioned, this should improve activity? :D
Hopefully to an extent this would meet both wishes - people would get a level of recognition for their contributions in the past, and still be able to reap the full benefits of a new server.
Not against the part of groups having some recognition but then again, the part where everyone would start over by the beginning would be lost by those groups who would already have an HQ, they would only fight for money to fill the HQ with cars, and not buy an actual place