Difference between being an Admin,and being a Cop.(Forbidding criminal roleplay)

[Pandalink]

Including the fact that when a criminal interact with citizens his hand is always on the gun's trigger waiting for just 1 wrong word comming out from the citizen so he can shoot him.

That's not true though. Why would a criminal want to shoot a guy and get wanted, then have to escape. Doesn't make any sense.

You should always think what made the citizen report you? he doesn't want to roleplay or he doesn't want to get robbed for the 20th time at the same day?

Neither of those are valid reasons for /report, though. If you really don't want to be involved, you can usually work a way out of the RP quite quickly, or simply PM the guy explaining why you don't want to be involved. In the event that you literally don't have time to be involved, tell them that. Nobody will kidnap someone who is going to /q for dinner in 2 minutes.

instead of shooting the guys report him for ignoring RP and you won't get punished for DMing

No, no, no! This is the exact thing the topic was about. Don't be so flippant with your use of the /report.
Hell, "ignoring RP" isn't even against the rules.

[DeeJay]

Actually it is Panda, you have to rp nowadays on SA:MP. Not like we had before

[Benn]

That's not true though. Why would a criminal want to shoot a guy and get wanted, then have to escape. Doesn't make any sense.

Many criminals do kill just to get wanted, I had many cases where criminals DMed someone just to go 4 wanted guys in a car unstoppable waiting for SWAT and FBI to come.

Neither of those are valid reasons for /report, though. If you really don't want to be involved, you can usually work a way out of the RP quite quickly, or simply PM the guy explaining why you don't want to be involved. In the event that you literally don't have time to be involved, tell them that. Nobody will kidnap someone who is going to /q for dinner in 2 minutes.
 

No you're wrong you're obligated to RP in every RP scene the only way to escape RP is to Roleplay your way out of it shortly (ofcourse unless the player have to go).
Admins can't watch all players online at the same time, they do try to do the maximum amount of players at the same time... so when they get a report of DMing they start spectating after the report has been delivered, so we don't know if the report is valid or not

No, no, no! This is the exact thing the topic was about. Don't be so flippant with your use of the /report.
Hell, "ignoring RP" isn't even against the rules.

Well sorry to blast your bubble you're not allowed to kill citizens to "teach them a lesson"

[LoHi]

It was pleasure reading your point of view and I agree on many you stated above.
But you should understand that citizen's most hated RP scenarios are with criminals since all what happens to them is getting robbed , humiliated or kidnapped by criminals.
Including the fact that when a criminal interact with citizens his hand is always on the gun's trigger waiting for just 1 wrong word comming out from the citizen so he can shoot him.
You should always think what made the citizen report you? he doesn't want to roleplay or he doesn't want to get robbed for the 20th time at the same day?
I suggest you start developing new roleplay scenario where citizens will actually have fun getting robbed and humiliated, when you make the roleplay different, interesting.. the player would have fun even though he is being robbed and pushed and kicked and killed and kidnapped.
as for the Admins matter, I agree.
The staff shouldn't interrupt any roleplay scene unless it is getting out of control and rules are being broken...

Yes. For the love of god, do something else than yell at someone to stop (or you will shoot!). This is just thinly veiled DMing, and is certainly a fair reason to report someone. The Ancelotti RP of creating a roadblock sounds wonderful to me - you don't need to actually kill anyone - just shoot their tires and tell them to get lost. Haha. If they can. Truckers can then communicate with each other to avoid the road block - just like how they deal with police checkpoints.

Tottaly agreed on this, but it's not always admins foult sometimes the players themselfes make this kind of situation.       
For example:
Me and Dexi went to stop and rob some random trucker.
It was no any diferent rob scenario from any other... we cut the trucker way, we exit the car with the guns in hand and start to ROLEPLAY. And what we get? ASAP /report from the other player "DM" . Why calling them? Call the police. We stoped you, you continued driving, we shot ur tyres. That is NOT dm that is mafia ROLEPLAY !

So my point is: Sometimes its players foult that you get admins interupting our ROLEPLAY and getting that attitude    "Get lost or get ban". It seems like the players are bored of RP so they don't even want to involve in any of them... You might say that i truck all day but i NEVER refused an RolePlay scenario even if i had to die and lose guns+cargo for example.

Every hour someone tries to rob me when I'm trucking. Every time it's the same, 3 or 4 people in a car, fully armed, shouting "STOP!", and if I don't, they just shoot me. I don't usually mind this, as I can just call 911 and have some roleplay with the cops (shoutout to FBI and normal police officers for their great roleplay a week or so back!), without being killed. Plus I get someone chasing me, which is always fun.

That's not true though. Why would a criminal want to shoot a guy and get wanted, then have to escape. Doesn't make any sense.

Because what else would they do? Criminals don't seem to know anything else. Get suspected, kill some cops, die, repeat. It is fun, honestly.

[Antonio.]

Got banned once for a situation of extortion with reason : Forcing Roleplay (The user do not want to roleplay with you). Since that day i never repeated Extortions. I hope this post will make others think well in order to extend the roleplay factions which criminals should do.

Forcing roleplay is another rule that is misunderstood even by a lot of members of the administrations. The rule "no forcing roleplay" doesn't mean that it gives you the right to not interact/roleplay with others who are trying to interact with you. You're on a roleplay server and if someone tries interacting with you then you're entitled to do so as well. What the rule really protects against is for example if a group/mafia kidnaps you, they don't have the right nor can they force you to, let's say, keep you locked in a room for days. In these cases you can report the player.

If you are about to get kidnapped and you don't want that to happen, that doesn't give you the write to spam "/L [russian accent] I don't want rp!1!1" and then spam /report about how you're being forced to roleplay. If you don't want to get kidnapped, then you try RPing an escape.

The only thing that I have to go against is the one about the casinos, sure you can claim its your territory when you don't own it, but you can not go around killing players for not leaving the casino even if you claim its your territory unless you actually own the property.

Owning a casino or any other property also doesn't give you the right to kill someone, unless of course you have a good reason for it. Yesterday four or five Gvardia members were in Four Dragons Casino, waiting for gamblers to come. Some guy comes in and starts being a dealer one table next to ours, obviously trying to steal customers. We tell him to leave SEVERAL times, but of course he doesn't because "we don't own the property". We give him another option: Pay 25 percent of the earnings or he will be forced to leave, of course he disagrees again and disrespects us, so he got dropped and there was a perfect reason behind it. You don't disrespect a ruthless mafia especially in their territory, you're bound to get whacked and everyone should be aware of that. Anyways, apart from that, what I really didn't like is that the player came back 2 minutes after he died and continued gambling at the SAME spot he got killed at. To my understanding, this is returning and I believe you're not allowed to return to the place you were killed, especially if the players that killed you are still there. He gets /report'd and the one moderator online claims that "everyone is allowed to use the casino because it's not owned". A owned property is a role-play thing and returning after death is rule break, I don't know how these two things are able to be defended by one another...

[Benn]

Because what else would they do? Criminals don't seem to know anything else. Get suspected, kill some cops, die, repeat. It is fun, honestly.

LoHi I know you want to express your opinion, just don't provoke others
Criminals sure have the potential to lead the most awesome RPs ingame...

[LoHi]

Forcing roleplay is another rule that is misunderstood even by a lot of members of the administrations. The rule "no forcing roleplay" doesn't mean that it gives you the right to not interact/roleplay with others who are trying to interact with you. You're on a roleplay server and if someone tries interacting with you then you're entitled to do so as well. What the rule really protects against is for example if a group/mafia kidnaps you, they don't have the right nor can they force you to, let's say, keep you locked in a room for days. In these cases you can report the player.

I think this also includes forcing someone to give them money - it can be roleplayed, but a player can decide not to give you actual money (or at least large sums of it). It may have been a rule against robbing new players, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

LoHi I know you want to express your opinion, just don't provoke others
Criminals sure have the potential to lead the most awesome RPs ingame...

I did not mean to provoke anyone, if I did, I apologize. Honestly though, last time I had proper criminal RP was back when NitrOx was an active player.

[Brian]

Forcing role-play is forcing someone in to a certain role or situation, for example
Antonio is being pulled over by an officer
'Officer_Ale: Alé, mr Antonio, I am officer Ale, I'd like to see your license and registration'
'Antonio complies and gives his stuff'
'Officer_Ale: Okey, I found drugs on you, you will be arrested'
'Officer Ale suspects antonio for smuggling of drugs without any form of interaction from antonio'
Antonio is forced in to the role as drug smuggler while he is a law abiding citizen.

That is forcing role-play, for some who might not have understood.

As for the other points. An admin should never stop someone from interacting with other people in a role-play point of view. Blocking the road, asking for taxes, etc, etc, etc. Yet players should also not shoot someone because they do not agree with someone, or claim something as theirs. I do not mind if the players would role-play this properly. For example, coming with a group of 'fat' mafia members and beating the guy up, dragging him out of the building and making sure he doesn't get in. That way you show off an image, just shooting someone in his face just gets them pissed off and makes them return to the situation, even if this is not allowed.

PS: This is not aimed at anyone, it is just an example.

[Everett]

What I find funny is, after SOME cops pull you over (trying to avoid generalisation since they don't all do it, point is they can), whatever they say doesn't matter, because the gist of it is "Pay a $250 ticket or I'll kill you". Somehow this isn't forcing RP, which implies a badge has more power to force RP than a gun does. I fail to see a distinction between that scenario, and an Ancelotti roadblock other than a blue name above the guy's head.

[LoHi]

What I find funny is, after SOME cops pull you over (trying to avoid generalisation since they don't all do it, point is they can), whatever they say doesn't matter, because the gist of it is "Pay a $250 ticket or I'll kill you". Somehow this isn't forcing RP, which implies a badge has more power to force RP than a gun does. I fail to see a distinction between that scenario, and an Ancelotti roadblock other than a blue name above the guy's head.

Or you could go to the station, get an investigation and possibly even get the officer to trouble (by reporting them for false ticket or suspection on SAPD forums).

[Brian]

What I find funny is, after SOME cops pull you over (trying to avoid generalisation since they don't all do it, point is they can), whatever they say doesn't matter, because the gist of it is "Pay a $250 ticket or I'll kill you". Somehow this isn't forcing RP, which implies a badge has more power to force RP than a gun does. I fail to see a distinction between that scenario, and an Ancelotti roadblock other than a blue name above the guy's head.

I barely see a cop give $250 tickets, unless they're new usually. I always give fines on the amount of 'evasion', the driving attitude and the aproximate speed, $1 per KM/h they drove too fast (I guess this measuering with my own speed and remove 10 from my guessed number). Driving attitude is, did you hit any public items, trafic pole, light poles, benches, drove on the side walk. and how long you have evaded, usually this does not go higher then $130, yet most of the times. I ask them to remove their keys from their car, put them on their roof/ seat next to them, and they still /engine and drive away, ending up being suspected and a gun fight.

[Antonio.]

Or you could go to the station, get an investigation and possibly even get the officer to trouble (by reporting them for false ticket or suspection on SAPD forums).

You could also cut a deal with Ancelotti. As you see, there is always another option when roleplaying instead of reporting the player straight just because you don't like it.

[Manas]

I suggest you start developing new roleplay scenario where citizens will actually have fun getting robbed and humiliated,

No, even in the most creative scenarios 98% of citizens wont enjoy it. And enjoying it defeats the purpose of robbing/extortion .

Spoiler for Hiden:

Citizens will enjoy when we tell them in OOC or pm that we wont take real money, wont kill him

[Ivan_MC]

One trend that has grown is players screaming to admins when someone tries to interact with them because "hes dming me/hes harassing me" and other nonsense. Some simply do not understand how a roleplay server work.
It's about time to start enforcing punishment for false reports again so people will learn one way or another when to report and when to actually think.

This.

[Benn]

No, even in the most creative scenarios 98% of citizens wont enjoy it. And enjoying it defeats the purpose of robbing/extortion .

Spoiler for Hiden:

Citizens will enjoy when we tell them in OOC or pm that we wont take real money, wont kill him

No, you're wrong.
when the criminal start caring for the roleplay more than they do for the money . The citizen will start enjoying a nice quality RP scene and would probably happily giveout that money to the robber.. but since all the rob scenarios on Argonath are the same, there is nothing to enjoy about it...
it all start with "Stop your car!"
and ends with" /send or someone killed"