Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Dimitri_Gulucan on December 03, 2013, 05:28:48 pm
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I dont know about you guys but i wont be active on RS5 like on RS4.As you can see RS5 is empty.I remember 3 months ago Argonath RS4 was full evrey day in the summer.RS4 was one of the best servers in SA:MP.What now?RS5 Came and fu**** up evrey thing,I mean yea you guys saying it gonna be better but no its not thats what i think.People are disappointed,I think we need to do some thing about it,Myabe to get RS4 back i dont know.
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yes and if you can also bring rs3 and rs2 back i wanna try that shit out :war:
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Stop begging for RS4 lol, its really ridicoulus, they already said that RS4 does not exist anymore.
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People want innovation.
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Well it ain't coming back.
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I love how people think they would get their assets back, why do you want a less advance version of a script if you would be starting new anyway, if you start over it's the same if you do it in RS4 or RS5, even thought RS5 will be annoying at first because you will need to learn new things but you will get used to it..
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You can't stay young forever, you get older and that's how it goes.
So the same counts for RS4/5.
Accept it.
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The thing is...RS5 is empty there are no such people playing on it.
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Stay with the same scripts nothing advances. The same of people at the top, stay at the top. New players join who are not able to own what they want because it has been in the hands of veterans for years. You can continue this with RS4 or you can look forward to new opportunities, expansion and a more advanced system in RS5.
I know which one I prefer.
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RS5 is better in so many aspects. It just needs to have its bugs fixed. Seriously, is your life so fucking miserable that you have nothing else to do until it gets fixed?
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The thing is...RS5 is empty there are no such people playing on it.
School+reset+not a completed version+bugs = notgivingadamn
this isn't RS5, it's the "beta", people play on it to test bugs, some people don't want to test bugs like the guy who is writing this comment, some people have school, some people moved to different comunities, even if RS4 is brought back it won't be the same because the people who left because the reset would lose 4 months of progress, initially even I thought gandalf was just fucking with us but it was a smart option, why put back a server that is close to a reset and had an unfortunate reset, better put all the power to the new RS5 which like I said people either don't want to see an unfinished product or moved on because they simply don't like the new scripts.. I mean think about it, 5 years of their hard virtual work gone.. and as someone who is only here because of the comunity.. I don't get it, but yes like I said, bringing back RS4 wouldn't help a lot, and people shouldn't play for the virtual money but for the people they meet here.
The sooner you accept the change the better.
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RS4.1
=dead
=exterminated
=deleted
ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL OF THE RS4 DATA IS GONE, FOREVER!!!!
Players are not active on RS5 because they want RS4.
Players were not active on RS4 in 2009 because they wanted RS3 back.
RS3 was wanted back because RS4 was not popular.
RS4 became loved.
Nobody wants to say goodbye to RS4.
RS4 is wanted back because RS5 is not popular.
I smell history repeating..
Maybe this time this point has been explained propely..
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You wanna see some hell of activity?
Come in new year holidays time and check the server :) I don't thing u will be disappointed.
Edit:Happy my 555th post :P
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You wanna see some hell of activity?
Come in new year holidays time and check the server :) I don't thing u will be disappointed.
Could've not said it better..
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The thing is...RS5 is empty there are no such people playing on it.
That is down to peoples ignorance to accept change.
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If ya'll tired of RS5, join us in LoL ;)
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You can't stay young forever, you get older and that's how it goes.
So the same counts for RS4/5.
Accept it.
Exactly
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Have y'all forgot the reason why we pushed RS5 out earlier than expected already?
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Have y'all forgot the reason why we pushed RS5 out earlier than expected already?
Evidently, looking at this topic.
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As we are bringing back things lets give full information on hwy we made the decisions we did.
Tuesday morning we made a rather shocking discovery. Due to a misunderstanding the data center had closed out the Argonath game server. In the communication that followed it was found an even worse thing, The data had already been formatted.
This was especially bad because the backup we usually have in multiple place had been temporarily concentrated on exactly that server.
As a result 4 months of data had been wiped out, for all servers and including some of my programming work.
With this loss, we have put it to the leaders of each server how to proceed. For most servers, the data will be reconstructed as good as possible. But for SA:MP we found that it posed many problems.
Not only would it disadvantage a lot of people if 4 months of data were removed, it also brings the issue that players might not be interested to rebuild just to lose it again when RS5 is near. There for it was decided to speed up the RS5 arrival and fix bugs while we are running.
Rather than looking at it negative, we have to learn and move forward.
First thing learned is never to have one place for recent backups. Second understand that mistakes of others can be more costly as your own.
One more positive: we got a better deal out of it that makes up in the long run.
I am sure you don't want to have lost 4 months of statistics you obtained otherwise why would you be wanting RS4 back?
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Have y'all forgot the reason why we pushed RS5 out earlier than expected already?
Wasn't it supposed to come out in September/October a few years back? :rolleyes:
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I am sure you don't want to have lost 4 months of statistics you obtained otherwise why would you be wanting RS4 back?
Its not about that,RS5 is not even the same system,Many things have changed i like it the way it was in RS4 and lot of people will agree with me.
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Its not about that,RS5 is not even the same system,Many things have changed i like it the way it was in RS4 and lot of people will agree with me.
Everything changes, you better get used to it as it will happend for you in real life aswell.
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Stop begging for RS4 lol, its really ridicoulus, they already said that RS4 does not exist anymore.
I aint begging for no thing I am just saying what i think about it
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Its not about that,RS5 is not even the same system,Many things have changed i like it the way it was in RS4 and lot of people will agree with me.
The only stupid thing in RS5 is wallet.
And yeah, you're just an example of typical Argonath player.
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My signature should always be the main reason you play, not for virtual shitty money etc.
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RS5 is better in so many aspects. It just needs to have its bugs fixed. Seriously, is your life so f**king miserable that you have nothing else to do until it gets fixed?
You can less disrespect me and be more polite and YES i got lot of else things to do like i am moving country next month from Israel to Canada
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I aint begging for no thing I am just saying what i think about it
And that is exactly why i can't take this topic seriously right now.
For those that was playing here when RS4 was released, they will remember the shitstorm that was going on for a week or 2. It was because players would be able to own 3 cars at the same time, and any car they wanted. They are quiet now. Why? Because they got used to it and learned to like it.
If we would decide to bring back the old vehicle system, i bet we would see a even bigger shitstorm than the one that happend at the RS4 release.
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The only stupid thing in RS5 is wallet.
Don't use it, that's all :-)
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Is this topic going to span 35 pages of useless crap too?
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I think it's time for people to accept RS5. It's better to help developers improving the server than create topics about the same subject over and over.
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Don't use it, that's all :-)
Now that's real solution.
Is this topic going to span 35 pages of useless crap too?
Nah, only Xelent has the talent to make 35 pages long topic
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"The most important part is interacting with others and meeting people from around the world."
I mate a lot of people and freinds here,I had good time with them and now i dont know what will happen next,That replacing made so fast but i will hope for the best in RS5 and maybe by the time we will like it.
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I mate a lot of people and freinds here,I had good time with them and now i dont know what will happen next,That replacing made so fast but i will hope for the best in RS5 and maybe by the time we will like it.
Good, just the statement I wanted you to reply with.
You can't make up your mind on something by playing on it for 5 minutes (not literally, but the expression meaning).
In order to enjoy something, you need to give it a fair chance and by doing that, you will begin to enjoy it for what it is, not for what it is not.
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You are used to RS4, just wait a couple months and then we'll see what you think of RS5.
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No, we do not want RS4 back.
Can't you fucking respect our developers and scripters that worked off their asses to make something you did not even see at it's best.
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Wait a little bit and you'll see that RS5 will be better
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It's hard because you don't know shit on RS5..start playing and learn a few commands..you shall see that you will have another opinion about the new script..
So what if i had everything Acika owned?
Should i go cry? You don't play games because you want to get max level..maxed everything..
The real definition of games...is fun and making new friends..joking around.. not having 5 million dollars in game..and acting like a boss.
Pathetic
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Its not about that,RS5 is not even the same system,Many things have changed i like it the way it was in RS4 and lot of people will agree with me.
RS5 was announced to be coming for years, literally. I wonder what would players say if RS5 was released when it was supposed too.
It may be different but you know what, that is why you should take time to figure it out. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on RS5, if you want to slander it then atleast give the developers feedback on what you hate.
"The most important part is interacting with others and meeting people from around the world."
I mate a lot of people and freinds here,I had good time with them and now i dont know what will happen next,That replacing made so fast but i will hope for the best in RS5 and maybe by the time we will like it.
Alot of people met new friends some who they now know in real life, what will happen next is how us the players decide what to do on RS5. Yes the change was fast and pretty messy but you can't blame it on the owners for deciding to release early. If we all chip in and help find the bugs then you'll see a big difference, less crashes, less commands not working as they supposed etc etc. For a good majority of people this is their first reset ever, think how a small minority feel this would be their second.
A new start may not seem a good idea to most, we understand how you feel but when it all comes down to it that is how life works you get knocked down and come back stronger.
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RS5 is what almost all players wanted from a very long time, events will not revert its course just for one opinion :rolleyes:
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No we don't.
Please replace the "We" with "I".
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No we don't.
Please replace the "We" with "I".
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No we don't.
Please replace the "We" with "I".
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Attempting to voice ones opinion as if it is shared by many others is never a good idea.
Just because you want RS4 back doesn't necessarily mean everyone else has the same mindset as you.
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I smell people not fully trying RS5 out and whining instead.
Only thing that has changed are the tools to do whatever you want. Adapt to use the new tools and keep rocking out your fantasies.
Besides that, I thought Thunder and lighting + Some thing needs to be done covered this topic already. >.>
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Calm the fuck down. You are all blaming him just because he was brave enough to open a thread about this, instead of being quiet.
Instead of insulting and shitting on him will not convince him to give RS5 a try. You are all telling the same stuff over and over. I also joined when RS4 was stable, I liked it to and I haven't explored all the RS4 features, now I have to wait for RS5 and the 'cool' features the developers are promising.
Just wait a few months, go do some awesome stuff in Canada and return to Argonath for a quick look, I hope you'll like it.
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Who's blaming, insulting and shitting here?
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Calm the f**k down. You are
I smell
No we don't.
Please replace the "We" with "I".
Just a little miss understanding because people can't understand basic english, jesus christ if it's your opinion and you are unsure of other's opinion express that opinion as your own, as you are right now presenting the comunity with saying "we".
We are blaming him because he said that we don't want RS5, failing to express an opinion as his own and thus making us seem like we are the one who don't want RS5.
#Stayinschool
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To all those who want RS4 back, here is your challenge.
If you REALLY want to bring it back, I will make a deal.
Make donations stating 'I want RS4' and as soon as this reaches Eur 400, I will open a RS4 server, however there will be NO ASSETS and NO ACCOU?NTS. Fro mthe current admin team there will be a RS4 team formed, and while the player count stays above 200 per day (that means in 24 hours, not needing to have 200 players online at the same time) it will remain up.
Now either put up or shut up.
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That is down to peoples ignorance to accept change.
To reject change is to be ignorant. Seriously?
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Yes, let's all spend money in a free to play mode... if RS5 is so shitty as some players are stating then the server will be empty at Christmas holidays.
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To all those who want RS4 back, here is your challenge.
If you REALLY want to bring it back, I will make a deal.
Make donations stating 'I want RS4' and as soon as this reaches Eur 400, I will open a RS4 server
Isn't this 'deal' against Argonath Vision? :P
Anyway it's a good idea...
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No, we do not want RS4 back.
Can't you f**king respect our developers and scripters that worked off their asses to make something you did not even see at it's best.
You can be more polite and as admin on one of the servers you should give muchbetter example to the players now fuck off
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This whole thread is kinda hilarious, to be honest.
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Just a little miss understanding because people can't understand basic english, jesus christ if it's your opinion and you are unsure of other's opinion express that opinion as your own, as you are right now presenting the comunity with saying "we".
We are blaming him because he said that we don't want RS5, failing to express an opinion as his own and thus making us seem like we are the one who don't want RS5.
#Stayinschool
Get a proper name, 'JackThePenguin'.. Grow up.
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To reject change is to be ignorant. Seriously?
Yes. Change is always for the better, even if you don't think it is, which kind of proves Phil's point.
And please don't start giving me RL examples where change is bad (to you), 'cause it will take a while to prove that whatever the case, no one makes changes just to screw with people.
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It's hard because you don't know shit on RS5..start playing and learn a few commands..you shall see that you will have another opinion about the new script..
So what if i had everything Acika owned?
Should i go cry? You don't play games because you want to get max level..maxed everything..
The real definition of games...is fun and making new friends..joking around.. not having 5 million dollars in game..and acting like a boss.
Pathetic
Man its not about the fuc**** ingame money i never act like boss wtf you even didnt read what did i said
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Yes. Change is always for the better, even if you don't think it is, which kind of proves Phil's point.
Hitler was just misunderstood, I agree.
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Isn't this 'deal' against Argonath Vision? :P
Anyway it's a good idea...
I am serious, now let us see how many players are just trying to disturb and how many REALLY want it.
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RS5 was made with so many things considered that RS4 didn't consider when it was made. We've learned from putting RS4 to the test, and now we can try to patch up some holes. As we know, one major issue was the economy. RS5 (attempts) to address this. We have to see it put into work before we can judge and bitch.
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You gotta love how low people go :lol:
Never knew I could be THIS sadistic.
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I am serious, now let us see how many players are just trying to disturb and how many REALLY want it.
Wtf?
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Get a proper name, 'JackThePenguin'.. Grow up.
Yet I don't seem to understand why you are provoking me as all I did was explain to you what you wanted explained, well maybe you took #stayinschool as an insult which wasn't dedicated to you at all,
oh if you mean my forum name.. don't go there.
Wtf?
Do you think servers are free? do you honestly think Gandalf rains data upon us like a mafia guy in a strip club making it rain? servers don't run off nothing.
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We You want RS4 back.
Even you, Dimitri, will be looking back at this topic and laughing in a couple of months.
Just wait until players get used to RS5, it'll be a bomb.
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You can be more polite and as admin on one of the servers you should give muchbetter example to the players now f**k off
Im being polite only to someone who deserves it ;)
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I am serious, now let us see how many players are just trying to disturb and how many REALLY want it.
I really mean wtf?I wont beleive you said that,Or you just mad.
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We You want RS4 back.
Even you, Dimitri, will be looking back at this topic and laughing in a couple of months.
Just wait until players get used to RS5, it'll be a bomb.
I hope we don't have to wait so long like we did for rs5
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Im being polite only to someone who deserves it ;)
Ah yea?You are insulting me now,Nice.
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Ah yea?You are insulting me now,Nice.
Firstly learn what "an insult" is, then we may speak further.
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Ah yea?You are insulting me now,Nice.
He's hardly insulting you by making a statement, if it is insulting I am not sure if you are reading what he said or you said to him.
Now enough with the pointless "you insulted me" argument.
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I hope we don't have to wait so long like we did for rs5
That depends only on the players themselves.
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Wait here, i'll get popcorn and start reading upcoming 50 pages of this topic.
Seriously, wasn't this enough
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=102015.0
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=101016.0
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=102312.0
Why was this even started?: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=102435.0
Everything was explained in the first 3 topics i linked.
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I really mean wtf?I wont beleive you said that,Or you just mad.
As I said, put up or shut up.
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I am serious, now let us see how many players are just trying to disturb and how many REALLY want it.
I don't have any doubt about you're serious, please inform us how much donations you receive about this :-)!
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On Behalf of the ENTIRE Alfonso Syndicate, Each and EVERY one of us are desperately waiting for RS4 to return.
As Gandalf has stated, Let's see how many people REALLY want this back, Well.
There's around 20-30 of us for you (Including our Untagged guys)
I genuinely miss RS4, I can only rely on you to return it...
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On Behalf of the ENTIRE Alfonso Syndicate, Each and EVERY one of us are desperately waiting for RS4 to return.
As Gandalf has stated, Let's see how many people REALLY want this back, Well.
There's around 20-30 of us for you (Including our Untagged guys)
I genuinely miss RS4, I can only rely on you to return it...
That would make Eur 15-20 per person for you to bring it back.
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Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
RS4 isn't comming back, just fucking deal with it, the sooner the better, these topics are just spamming the forum giving Gandalf more Adsense money to not pay the scripters but rather support our lazy asses to enjoy rs5.
On Behalf of the ENTIRE Alfonso Syndicate, Each and EVERY one of us are desperately waiting for RS4 to return.
As Gandalf has stated, Let's see how many people REALLY want this back, Well.
There's around 20-30 of us for you (Including our Untagged guys)
I genuinely miss RS4, I can only rely on you to return it...
So you will pay 400€ for it and keep the server on constant 200 players for 24 hours? mmkay.
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Any way i hope the best in RS5 as i said and i hope it wont take long time to reales i like Argonath how it is and when RS5 came things got changed thats what makes me feel like that but i really hope for the best and how to change the title topic?
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Each and EVERY one of us are desperately waiting for RS4 to return.
No.
Seriously, I'm sorry to say this, but you guys are beyond stupid. Not even a month ago you people cried that RS5 is constantly being late and late and how you were tired of the same old shitty RS4, which by the way has so many script failures that is the reason why it often lags and crashes. And now, when RS5 is finally released, you cry that you want RS4 back. Kids, make up your mind. I can recall same bullshit happening when RS3 was switched to RS4, everyone cried just like you, but then they got used to it and realised that RS4 is better in every aspect.
Gosh, the stereotype really lives to itself - Argonath is afraid of change..
Besides, If I were a developer, I'd do a little experiment - return RS4 but same as RS5 - everyone starts from zero. The amount of people who would like to move back to RS4 would reduce by 99 percent.
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Why can't people just stop moaning.
It's virtual money and virtual assets, they mean nothing, at all. The purpose of playing these servers is to have fun, you don't need virtual money to have fun.
If you don't like it, why not just go elsewhere.
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Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
RS4 isn't comming back, just f**king deal with it, the sooner the better, these topics are just spamming the forum giving Gandalf more Adsense money to not pay the scripters but rather support our lazy asses to enjoy rs5.
So you will pay 400€ for it and keep the server on constant 200 players for 24 hours? mmkay.
Do not take my words wrong. I stated 200 players logging in per 24 hours. That is something different as keeping it up to 200 players.
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Any way i hope the best in RS5 as i said and i hope it wont take long time to reales i like Argonath how it is and when RS5 came things got changed thats what makes me feel like that but i really hope for the best and how to change the title topic?
Go to the first message (your) and press Modify button.
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Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
RS4 isn't comming back, just f**king deal with it, the sooner the better, these topics are just spamming the forum giving Gandalf more Adsense money to not pay the scripters but rather support our lazy asses to enjoy rs5.
So you will pay 400€ for it and keep the server on constant 200 players for 24 hours? mmkay.
For a start, You should take a look at pricing, If you HONESTLY Have been told that's the pricing, I can buy a server with 200 slots running 24/7 with DDOS protection for about $40-50 a month.
Considering 400€ Isn't alot, It'd be something I'd look into doing, yes, As I discussed with managers already.
Many people want RS4 back, You aswell as many other community admins, and some members like yourself, don't give a single crap.
No.
Seriously, I'm sorry to say this, but you guys are beyond stupid. Not even a month ago you people cried that RS5 is constantly being late and late and how you were tired of the same old shitty RS4, which by the way has so many script failures that is the reason why it often lags and crashes. And now, when RS5 is finally released, you cry that you want RS4 back. Kids, make up your mind. I can recall same bullshit happening when RS3 was switched to RS4, everyone cried just like you, but then they got used to it and realised that RS4 is better in every aspect.
Gosh, the stereotype really lives to itself - Argonath is afraid of change..
Besides, If I were a developer, I'd do a little experiment - return RS4 but same as RS5 - everyone starts from zero. The amount of people who would like to move back to RS4 would reduce by 99 percent.
Correct, Many of us did complain about the delay in RS5's release, the problem is the fact that MOST features were kept secret, we were waiting to see what the server was like, we played it, and we dislike it, there only has and ever will be ONE rs4, and they've taken that away.
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Any way i hope the best in RS5 as i said and i hope it wont take long time to reales i like Argonath how it is and when RS5 came things got changed thats what makes me feel like that but i really hope for the best and how to change the title topic?
But you merely adopted the change; I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn't see the stable server until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING!
Do not take my words wrong. I stated 200 players logging in per 24 hours. That is something different as keeping it up to 200 players.
Well that isn't actually that hard, I mean from all my mods I crash about 40 times a day.. but 400€ is a lot..
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Yet I don't seem to understand why you are provoking me as all I did was explain to you what you wanted explained, well maybe you took #stayinschool as an insult which wasn't dedicated to you at all,
oh if you mean my forum name.. don't go there.
I did not provoke you in any way, I thought GTA was 18+. Not some children meet-up point with animal names.
And, it is 'You', not 'we'. I was not reply'ing in this thread till my previous post. You is also for multiple people, not for only one person. Stay in school, perhaps?
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I did not provoke you in any way, I thought GTA was 18+. Not some children meet-up point with animal names.
And, it is 'You', not 'we'. I was not reply'ing in this thread till my previous post. You is also for multiple people, not for only one person. Stay in school, perhaps?
Christ sakes, must you act so damn juvenile? So what if his English skills are not up to par? So what if he doesn't type correctly?
Get over it and move on. This is simply pathetic.
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Is this topic going to span 35 pages of useless crap too?
Holy shit I was right.
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To be honest, RS5 is too complicated.
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No.
He was talking about Alfonso, not the entire community. Please read before posting.
Seriously, I'm sorry to say this, but you guys are beyond stupid. Not even a month ago you people cried that RS5 is constantly being late and late and how you were tired of the same old shitty RS4, which by the way has so many script failures that is the reason why it often lags and crashes. And now, when RS5 is finally released, you cry that you want RS4 back.
There was no need for you to call them stupid indirectly.
Gosh, the stereotype really lives to itself - Argonath is afraid of change..
Some people are not actually.
Besides, If I were a developer, I'd do a little experiment - return RS4 but same as RS5 - everyone starts from zero. The amount of people who would like to move back to RS4 would reduce by 99 percent.
That's what Gandalf was about to do already. Once again, please read before posting. :sweat:
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For a start, You should take a look at pricing, If you HONESTLY Have been told that's the pricing, I can buy a server with 200 slots running 24/7 with DDOS protection for about $40-50 a month.
Considering 400€ Isn't alot, It'd be something I'd look into doing, yes, As I discussed with managers already.
Many people want RS4 back, You aswell as many other community admins, and some members like yourself, don't give a single crap.
Correct, Many of us did complain about the delay in RS5's release, the problem is the fact that MOST features were kept secret, we were waiting to see what the server was like, we played it, and we dislike it, there only has and ever will be ONE rs4, and they've taken that away.
I will try not to be mean, if in any case you find my words rude, my apologises.
For how long did you, TOTALLY, play RS5? Do you know all its functionalities? Do you know how the engine works?
Don't judge the book by its cover. At least read the book before you can judge. Just because you see a girl in slutty clothes doesn't make her a slut. Maybe an attention seeker? :D
In the end, you talk much. Invest your talking on the donations, and maybe your RS4 server will be up and running.
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For a start, You should take a look at pricing, If you HONESTLY Have been told that's the pricing, I can buy a server with 200 slots running 24/7 with DDOS protection for about $40-50 a month.
Do it.
we played it, and we dislike it.
We? I like RS5 (anyway it needs some bug-fixes).
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Holy shit I was right.
What have you done! you jinxed it! now the discussion will stop
prays
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To be honest, RS5 is too complicated.
You can use basic things and will not be complicated.
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Do you guys ever give up?
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For a start, You should take a look at pricing, If you HONESTLY Have been told that's the pricing, I can buy a server with 200 slots running 24/7 with DDOS protection for about $40-50 a month.
Considering 400€ Isn't alot, It'd be something I'd look into doing, yes, As I discussed with managers already.
Many people want RS4 back, You aswell as many other community admins, and some members like yourself, don't give a single crap.
Correct, Many of us did complain about the delay in RS5's release, the problem is the fact that MOST features were kept secret, we were waiting to see what the server was like, we played it, and we dislike it, there only has and ever will be ONE rs4, and they've taken that away.
A single SAMP server yes, but remember we are running more than one single server, in fact our current box could hold up to 10 SAMP servers with the old player count.. where as most SAMP hosting companies largely overbook their servers. Besides the amount is one time, not continuous.
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To be honest, RS5 is too complicated.
I will not lie, I'm currently in fully agreement with you, but that doesn't stop me from playing and experiencing the whole mode before I judge. The developers here have released several guidance in order for us to understand the main principles of the mode. Our lack of reading is the main source to our stupidity and lack of knowledge. Trying something as complicated as this, is a challenge to those who're used with simple technology and little efforts put into the game. I, myself, find RS5 more of a challenge to my roleplay quality and new possibilites to improve weak sides. RS5 will bloom new fresh ideas and contribute to our quality.
A simple suggestion for you, and the rest of the people here, give it a few weeks. You won't die... I think.
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To be honest, RS5 is too complicated.
Yes it is complicated, but you don't learn how it works by not trying it out.
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To be honest, RS5 is too complicated.
Life is complicated, are you planning on giving up on that too?
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Even if RS5 were worse... arent you guys BORED of RS4? how many years did you play on it?
Come on, it's the same boring thing everyday...
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I will not lie, I'm currently in fully agreement with you, but that doesn't stop me from playing and experiencing the whole mode before I judge. The developers here have released several guidance in order for us to understand the main principles of the mode. Our lack of reading is the main source to our stupidity and lack of knowledge. Trying something as complicated as this, is a challenge to those who're used with simple technology and little efforts put into the game. I, myself, find RS5 more of a challenge to my roleplay quality and new possibilites to improve weak sides. RS5 will bloom new fresh ideas and contribute to our quality.
A simple suggestion for you, and the rest of the people here, give it a few weeks. You won't die... I think.
I agree with you, definitely. But I'm concerned for the new players after the full release.
Life is complicated, are you planning on giving up on that too?
I understand your point but don't forget that we are talking about a game. :)
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Christ sakes, must you act so damn juvenile? So what if his English skills are not up to par? So what if he doesn't type correctly?
Get over it and move on. This is simply pathetic.
You are making it even worse by commenting on this. You have spammed this whole thread by saying the same thing. We already got your message on the other threads.
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A single SAMP server yes, but remember we are running more than one single server, in fact our current box could hold up to 10 SAMP servers with the old player count.. where as most SAMP hosting companies largely overbook their servers. Besides the amount is one time, not continuous.
I completely see where you're coming from Gandalf, I have been in similar shoes to you once before, On a smaller scale, but as a previous community owner, I can almost guarantee you think the same and agree with me when I say that your Community comes first over money and over the 'wanting to keep up with the new SAMP Technology' feeling.
If the community wants RS4, Your job, as the owner is to deliver it to the best of his capabilities, I've said to I think it was Kojak but i'm unsure, if needed, I or many other members would be happy to run the server under the Argonath name, the thing is, I know you have the space to do so.
I see your point of view, and your argument against it is completely understood, but i just feel this is revolving around what the NEWER generation of Argonath want, Instead of what the veterans want.
Although this is rambling on slightly, I just want to point out, Most people wanting RS4 back are veterans, and we've done ALOT to keep the community active, although we may get punishments for breaking the rules, we've stayed loyal to your server, we've helped with money and we've put up with the bad parts aswell, in return how about you consider giving us the server we got so used to back?
(I'm not at any point saying remove RS5)
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If the Alfonso wants RS4, Your job, as the owner is to deliver it to the best of his capabilities
I fixed it, because you don't speak for the community.
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I completely see where you're coming from Gandalf, I have been in similar shoes to you once before, On a smaller scale, but as a previous community owner, I can almost guarantee you think the same and agree with me when I say that your Community comes first over money and over the 'wanting to keep up with the new SAMP Technology' feeling.
If the community wants RS4, Your job, as the owner is to deliver it to the best of his capabilities, I've said to I think it was Kojak but i'm unsure, if needed, I or many other members would be happy to run the server under the Argonath name, the thing is, I know you have the space to do so.
I see your point of view, and your argument against it is completely understood, but i just feel this is revolving around what the NEWER generation of Argonath want, Instead of what the veterans want.
Although this is rambling on slightly, I just want to point out, Most people wanting RS4 back are veterans, and we've done ALOT to keep the community active, although we may get punishments for breaking the rules, we've stayed loyal to your server, we've helped with money and we've put up with the bad parts aswell, in return how about you consider giving us the server we got so used to back?
(I'm not at any point saying remove RS5)
So you really want RS4? Here's a solution.
To all those who want RS4 back, here is your challenge.
If you REALLY want to bring it back, I will make a deal.
Make donations stating 'I want RS4' and as soon as this reaches Eur 400, I will open a RS4 server, however there will be NO ASSETS and NO ACCOU?NTS. Fro mthe current admin team there will be a RS4 team formed, and while the player count stays above 200 per day (that means in 24 hours, not needing to have 200 players online at the same time) it will remain up.
Now either put up or shut up.
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Oh my God, what on earth have I just read
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I understand your point but don't forget that we are talking about a game. :)
RS4 had many flaws that they fixed in RS5, oh you want starter money so you transfer it to your acc? HAHA no.
RS5 went over and beyond to make the rest of SAMP enjoyable for us, untill the server turns into VCMP and nobody plays it anymore.
It is complicated at the beginning, heck it's complicated in the middle and in the end but somehow we will get used to it, the scripters wasted countless hours on this and they did it for free, we can take a few hours to learn how the new system works, it might not be noob friendly but the ones who will learn will want to stay, because the comunity has a way of grabbing you and placing you in here, because united we stand, against so many ddosers, hackers, people faking the server and stealing it scripts, if people think RS5 will break the comunity.. good on them, it's just another bump that we will drive through. Even though some people I guess won't stand the hit and will rage quit because of RS5 but that's just how it is. I was told so many stories about how fun MTA VC was and now it's a wasteland, when our time comes we will be telling the IV:MP generation our stories, how it was back in Los Santos. Gahh I don't want this server to end.
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I fixed it, because you don't speak for the community.
What you just said is completely invalid and slightly mindless, I speak for the members of the community i have already witnessed wanting RS4, You on the other hand sit in your room being completely happy because you're a manager.
If you gave a shit i'd take notice in what you just said, but considering right now i'm the only one out of us listening to the community's opinions i'd rather ignore it.
And @Gandalf
Thank-you for giving us the option at-least, If the donations don't go to 400 euro's, I'm more than happy to leave it at that and myself and those who wish to will be leaving, though I can't say if we won't return, after-all this is our community as-well as yours.
All I can say is thank-you for actually taking the time to give us a chance at-least.
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To all those who want RS4 back, here is your challenge.
If you REALLY want to bring it back, I will make a deal.
Make donations stating 'I want RS4' and as soon as this reaches Eur 400, I will open a RS4 server, however there will be NO ASSETS and NO ACCOU?NTS. Fro mthe current admin team there will be a RS4 team formed, and while the player count stays above 200 per day (that means in 24 hours, not needing to have 200 players online at the same time) it will remain up.
Now either put up or shut up.
Loving it. The best is how reasonable it is...
If the Alfonso's all chip in Eur15, which in the great scheme of things isn't that much, they can have what they demand...until it's proved that the thing people really don't like is losing cash and assets.
It'd be good to see people putting money where their mouths are!
I'm here for the community mainly...and last time I checked, building up your assets is a lot more fun than sitting on ones you've had for years, so it doesn't bother me :)
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Loving it. The best is how reasonable it is...
If the Alfonso's all chip in Eur15, which in the great scheme of things isn't that much, they can have what they demand...until it's proved that the thing people really don't like is losing cash and assets.
It'd be good to see people putting money where their mouths are!
I'm here for the community mainly...and last time I checked, building up your assets is a lot more fun than sitting on ones you've had for years, so it doesn't bother me :)
I'm not fighting for my assets, Even having my Roleplay position as a don, i had like $8k and a $35k car.
I have no need to worry about that, Anyhow, In a couple of weeks "During my holidays" I'll spent a week working, hopefully then I can pay all the cash towards RS4.
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Yes. Change is always for the better, even if you don't think it is, which kind of proves Phil's point.
And please don't start giving me RL examples where change is bad (to you), 'cause it will take a while to prove that whatever the case, no one makes changes just to screw with people.
They tried to change Afghanistan's government, Libya's government, Egypts government. Where's good in that?
I'm not even talking about giving women rights...
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Honestly, i don't know why people is making this topics and neither why the forum staff is letting them unlocked.
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I'm not fighting for my assets, Even having my Roleplay position as a don, i had like $8k and a $35k car.
I have no need to worry about that, Anyhow, In a couple of weeks "During my holidays" I'll spent a week working, hopefully then I can pay all the cash towards RS4.
In your defense, you shouldn't be paying the whole eur400 - if others you know want it that badly, they should be chipping in too :-)
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Anyhow, In a couple of weeks "During my holidays" I'll spent a week working, hopefully then I can pay all the cash towards RS4.
Really?, that's sick. Not saying that you shouldn't donate but if you are doing it for only RS4 and your 20 member "family" while RS5 is almost on its way for release then I have a feeling that you are retarded.
Its just a game, we are here to have fun.
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Its just a game, we are here to have fun[/font][/size].
He wants to have fun too.
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I most certainly wish I had 400 eur laying around to waste...
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What you just said is completely invalid
Really, who voted you the community's spokesman?
You on the other hand sit in your room being completely happy because you're a manager.
That's it, my life is complete, I am completely happy now. Thank god for my room.
If you gave a shit i'd take notice in what you just said, but considering right now i'm the only one out of us listening to the community's opinions i'd rather ignore it.
Contradiction alert! I didn't notice myself leaving the community.
Now, on a serious note, what does make me happy is that your best jabs at me are extremely weak. What does upset me, however, is that you continue to assume that "the community" wants RS4 back because of the vocal veterans that have been annoying the hell out of people (and your 20-30 members of Alfonso, who happened to avoid playing RS4 for the past month or so, unless I somehow missed them among the 45 players most people claim still play), while at the same time dismissing opinions of the members of community who don't want RS4 back.
Anyway, best of luck with your plans for RS4. Remember that there's a no refund policy on donations, so make sure that the "community" actually are going to stay there for long enough to warrant the investment, instead of moving over to RS5 which is going to continue getting full-on support.
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Really, who voted you the community's spokesman?
I guess by community he means those who wish to stay on RS4.
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Mario, you're fighting vigorously to bring back RS4. I was wondering if you could you think of atleast 3 strong arguments why RS4 is better than RS5?
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He wants to have fun too.
RS5 is way more fun, it's just that you guys are not used to it.
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Honestly, i don't know why people is making this topics and neither why the forum staff is letting them unlocked.
We leave the topic unlocked because unlike other communities we do not disallow people to challenge our ideas and discuss.
Argonath RPG offers the freedom to disagree with the owners and staff, and as long as it is done more or less respectful we will read your arguments and reply with ours. Sure we can tell that if you do not like it you have the possibility to leave. But that does not mean we feel the need to cut off your right of expressing your opinion.
That is what makes Argonath unique, as in as good as any other community similar topics would be removed or locked, giving people who are new the idea everyone agrees on all counts.
We are aware people use this against us at times, throwing negtivity around to show to others how much we don't care. The point is we care enough to let people speak their minds. That in the end we make the decisions is because we are owners, not because we do not care.
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Really?, that's sick. Not saying that you shouldn't donate but if you are doing it for only RS4 and your 20 member "family" while RS5 is almost on its way for release then I have a feeling that you are retarded.
Its just a game, we are here to have fun.
The fact that in England 400 euro's is about 4 days work, I see no reason why I'm retarded? If you wanted to know the truth, the majority of the server were complaining to me whilst you were with us about how you are just constantly asslicking to get staff, Although that may be off topic, it was time for it to be said.
I'm not planning to pay the complete 400 euro's with only the knowledge of 20 people to play the game, obviously i'm going to see how many actually want it.
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The fact that in England 400 euro's is about 4 days work, I see no reason why I'm retarded? If you wanted to know the truth, the majority of the server were complaining to me whilst you were with us about how you are just constantly asslicking to get staff, Although that may be off topic, it was time for it to be said.
I'm not planning to pay the complete 400 euro's with only the knowledge of 20 people to play the game, obviously i'm going to see how many actually want it.
I'm certainly not on £330 for 4 days work! You don't just walk into well paid jobs in the vast majority of cases.
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The fact that in England 400 euro's is about 4 days work
30 days or even more in Balkan countries.
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Mario, you're fighting vigorously to bring back RS4. I was wondering if you could you think of atleast 3 strong arguments why RS4 is better than RS5?
Indeed I am Hyuga, and from your many months or even up to a year of knowing me you'll know I don't back down easy without a decent reason, that so far I've not received, once i'm set on something, no matter being this or something else, i'll fight to get it.
For a start, RS4 has a certain feeling about it, that NO other server has ever been able to match, It's not as much of a gameplay feeling, but it's more of just the fact players almost fit in? As a player yourself you must have been able to know what i'm talking about? (Many players such as Vitoo can back me up)
RS4 is extremely simple, or let's say classic, it's like for example in real life, people like vintage, people like future, people like modern, If you were to pick one and FORCE everyone to live it, would they be happy? would it be completely fair on those who prefer a different style of gaming.
Rs4 Isn't the same style of gaming as RS5, Both are completely different with their own unique atmospheres and style's, for another example, say you get two popular first person shooters, call of duty and Battlefield, they are both first person shooters, but people will prefer one over the other, and no matter what you do they will always stick to the one they want and will most likely never adapt to the other.
I'm certainly not on £330 for 4 days work! You don't just walk into well paid jobs in the vast majority of cases.
And well, I'll just class myself lucky that i live in the area of England that I do.
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We leave the topic unlocked because unlike other communities we do not disallow people to challenge our ideas and discuss.
:bananarock:
I honestly think everyone should keep their mouths shut if RS5 has yet to be played out in a real situation, rather than just a bug testing situation. We don't even know how awesome or not awesome it's going to be for everyone as a whole, really.
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For a start, RS4 has a certain feeling about it, that NO other server has ever been able to match, It's not as much of a gameplay feeling, but it's more of just the fact players almost fit in? As a player yourself you must have been able to know what i'm talking about? (Many players such as Vitoo can back me up)
Yeah I know what you're talking about. RS4 has a gentle feeling about it. I can't explain it either, lol.
RS4 is extremely simple, or let's say classic
This is also very true. RS4 is unique to be honest.
Rs4 Isn't the same style of gaming as RS5, Both are completely different with their own unique atmospheres and style's, for another example, say you get two popular first person shooters, call of duty and Battlefield, they are both first person shooters, but people will prefer one over the other, and no matter what you do they will always stick to the one they want and will most likely never adapt to the other.
I'd probably get adapted to RS5 by the time but I don't know; time would speak because I haven't really tried RS5.
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you were with us about how you are just constantly asslicking to get staff.
Its true that I would like to be a part of the Argonath staff but I don't want to achieve it via asslicking , I would like to achieve utilities from my loyalty and participation in helping the community but you are the one who misunderstands everything said. Go ahead and donate, but remember, bringing RS4 back will be a foolish idea. And I doubt that RS4 will come back, people are just not willing to pay money for a game that is 10 years old.
EDIT: Also, I never supported the idea of RS4 is better than RS5 and/or RS4 and RS5 should be completley different servers
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Is this topic going to span 35 pages of useless crap too?
Holy shit I was right.
I see 9 pages :strong:
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I see 9 pages :strong:
It's been only 3 hours :p
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You should say '' I want RS4 back.'' not '' We want RS4 back ''
Sir, RS5 is perfect !!
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I see 9 pages :strong:
I see 3
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RS5 it's unique too...
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Argonath RPG real story
Staff:There IS RS5 !!
1-People are exciting to see RS5
2-RS5 comes up
3-Yay RS5
4-Bffff RS5 S*x
5-RS4 closed
6-Shit Argonath is being boring ''WE WANT RS4 Back''
7-RS5 is now official (Not beta)
8-People will play on RS5
9-They will like it
10-After couple of years ''WE WANT RS5 BACK''
The End
True ?
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I honestly think everyone should keep their mouths shut if RS5 has yet to be played out in a real situation, rather than just a bug testing situation. We don't even know how awesome or not awesome it's going to be for everyone as a whole, really.
I completely agree with my nigga here. That's why I said:
I'd probably get adapted to RS5 by the time but I don't know; time would speak because I haven't really tried RS5.
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RS5 is way more fun, it's just that you guys are not used to it.
Not for him.
Really, who voted you the community's spokesman?
We all agreed to make him be community's spokesman, you missed the meeting.
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We all agreed to make him be community's spokesman.
I didn't agree, don't say we.
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I didn't agree, don't say we.
I really hope that you're joking.
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We leave the topic unlocked because unlike other communities we do not disallow people to challenge our ideas and discuss.
Argonath RPG offers the freedom to disagree with the owners and staff, and as long as it is done more or less respectful we will read your arguments and reply with ours. Sure we can tell that if you do not like it you have the possibility to leave. But that does not mean we feel the need to cut off your right of expressing your opinion.
That is what makes Argonath unique, as in as good as any other community similar topics would be removed or locked, giving people who are new the idea everyone agrees on all counts.
We are aware people use this against us at times, throwing negtivity around to show to others how much we don't care. The point is we care enough to let people speak their minds. That in the end we make the decisions is because we are owners, not because we do not care.
They aren't posting arguments, they are moaning about something that they haven't tried. I've been on Rs5 daily, i can say that most of the people that are posting here have just been in the server barely for minutes and others haven't even register there.
They are complaining about the BETA stage of the server, clearly this has nothing to do with the fact that the new script it's hard to understand and actually it isn't, it's just new, and like anything else, you need to get to use to it to understand it, but they aren't giving themselves the chance to do it, they prefer to stay stuck in the wall only to keep an virtual house and an infernus.
It's hard to change something that you were to used to for years, i know, but like everything else, the server needs to improve himself, and the community staff/owners is giving us the chance to fulfill this progress. I think that we should give them the deserved respect for their hardwork and also, give a chance to the RS5 server.
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I await the day that those preaching for the return of the RS4 server actually play on RS5 and bother to understand the server before writing it off in their books.
Systems may change however it's still an Argonath roleplay server at the end of the day.
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/me claps for Devin in Italian accent
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#Stayinschool
10 pages of people refusing RS4 determined that I was correct.
#Gotoschool
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Okay, i wrote something yesterday but got deleted cause i was a bit pissed and had some flaming but not towards the community, anyway...
I don't really understand people are acting like this towards RS5, what's the problem of having RS5 and RS4, it's really weird how people are reacting against it.I saw around forums that the reaction towards RS4 when it got released was the same, well i can't make that sure cause i was not a part of Argonath that year RS4 was released but seriously, can't u people give RS5 a chance.Just go and play it till February and if u don't like it, than start writing here again.
For the people that don't like it, now the RS5 Beta is in a better way that it was at the first release of Beta of RS5, go ahead and try it but don't forget it is still in BETA stage so it still have some more bugs which we players didn't found yet, so please instead of typing things here go ahead and try it, and help this community become better instead making this community going low and low.
So please go ahead and try the server once and try to help us.
The IP for those that don't have it is: 95.141.37.186:7777.
I am warning that the server still getting restarted, and i guess its cause of the bugs get fixed every restart, will i think its this i don't know cause i'm not a developer or manager or something like that.
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I wish Rs5 the best ,hope everyone like it.
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The fact that in England 400 euro's is about 4 days work, see no reason why I'm retarded?
400 Euros is equivalent to $603 Australian Dollars, for scale the absolute minimum wage in Australia is $640 Australian Dollars for 5 days (Think McDonalds). By comparison I'm a part time University student who makes $720 for 3 days work with no relevant qualifications in the field I work in, I can see where you're coming from with this comment.
I can appreciate why you're against RS5; but honesty I think we all just need more time to get used to the idea of a new script.
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I see 9 pages :strong:
Had you bothered with the actual meaning, my dear Monkey, you wouldn't say that. I said it was "going to", and uhhmm.. it's going to.
That makes me right.. and happy.
10 pages in less than 21 hours, my my.
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For a start, You should take a look at pricing, If you HONESTLY Have been told that's the pricing, I can buy a server with 200 slots running 24/7 with DDOS protection for about $40-50 a month.
Considering 400€ Isn't alot, It'd be something I'd look into doing, yes, As I discussed with managers already.
Many people want RS4 back, You aswell as many other community admins, and some members like yourself, don't give a single crap.
Correct, Many of us did complain about the delay in RS5's release, the problem is the fact that MOST features were kept secret, we were waiting to see what the server was like, we played it, and we dislike it, there only has and ever will be ONE rs4, and they've taken that away.
Stop talking for the enire community. You're taking your Alfonso Group as something that's the most important thing in the Argonath. Seriously, Alfonso equals 20 people, while the whole community of Argonath SAMP RPG equals to above one thousand, I believe. Anyways, so, you want to downgrade? You guys are complaining about something that you did not even try out properly yet. Yes, it's difficult, the new system is confusing, because IT'S NEW. What did you expect RS5 to be? RS4.2? Seriously?
Just stop trying.. I don't even understand why developers are even paying attention to this crap. When RS3 was switched to RS4, everyone were being asses about it as well, but then after a while, nobody wanted RS3 back, and most of these people who complained were leaders of criminal groups who were afraid of competition - everyone starts from zero, which means that some new criminal organisations can actually toss them down the crime ladder. Same in this case, the only ones moaning are people from notorious criminal organisations, everyone else is more than happy with RS5. Just lock this already and issue warnings to anyone who tries to opening such nonsense topics again.
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When RS3 was switched to RS4, everyone were being asses about it as well, but then after a while, nobody wanted RS3 back, and most of these people who complained were leaders of criminal groups who were afraid of competition
Not true... People never complained that much as they do now.
And the switch from RS3 to RS4 was not that big...
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For a start, You should take a look at pricing, If you HONESTLY Have been told that's the pricing, I can buy a server with 200 slots running 24/7 with DDOS protection for about $40-50 a month.
Considering 400€ Isn't alot, It'd be something I'd look into doing, yes, As I discussed with managers already.
What kind of server specs are we talking here? And what kind of "DDoS protection" do you mean?
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Stop talking for the enire community. You're taking your Alfonso Group as something that's the most important thing in the Argonath. Seriously, Alfonso equals 20 people, while the whole community of Argonath SAMP RPG equals to above one thousand, I believe. Anyways, so, you want to downgrade? You guys are complaining about something that you did not even try out properly yet. Yes, it's difficult, the new system is confusing, because IT'S NEW. What did you expect RS5 to be? RS4.2? Seriously?
Just stop trying.. I don't even understand why developers are even paying attention to this crap. When RS3 was switched to RS4, everyone were being asses about it as well, but then after a while, nobody wanted RS3 back, and most of these people who complained were leaders of criminal groups who were afraid of competition - everyone starts from zero, which means that some new criminal organisations can actually toss them down the crime ladder. Same in this case, the only ones moaning are people from notorious criminal organisations, everyone else is more than happy with RS5.
I think that by we he actually means those who want to have RS4 back, not the entire community. He never said Alfonso was the most important thing in Argonath, you're the one jumping to conclusions. He also said, in some other topic, he actually likes some of the new features and he doesn't mean RS5 is bad or something; instead he wants RS4 back.
He doesn't really own any special assets; he even said they could do the reset but keep RS4 because he doesn't mind the reset at all.
I don't see him moaning or badmouthing about RS5; he's only saying he wants RS4 back and he was looking for solution. He's got one last chance now and he's wondering if it's worth taking the risk and pay for the server or not.
Gandalf gave those who want RS4 back a last chance and they can try as hard as they want, you're no one to tell him to stop.
Just lock this already and issue warnings to anyone who tries to opening such nonsense topics again.
Or let's issue warnings to people who are going around lying, don't bother taking the time to read what others say before posting and badmouth about people with different opinions. What do you say?
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I think that by we he actually means those who want to have RS4 back, not the entire community. He never said Alfonso was the most important thing in Argonath, you're the one jumping to conclusions. He also said, in some other topic, he actually likes some of the new features and he doesn't mean RS5 is bad or something; instead he wants RS4 back.
He doesn't really own any special assets; he even said they could do the reset but keep RS4 because he doesn't mind the reset at all.
I don't see him moaning or badmouthing about RS5; he's only saying he wants RS4 back and he was looking for solution. He's got one last chance now and he's wondering if it's worth taking the risk and pay for the server or not.
Gandalf gave those who want RS4 back a last chance and they can try as hard as they want, you're no one to tell him to stop.
Or let's issue warnings to people who are going around lying, don't bother taking the time to read what others say before posting and badmouth about people with different opinions. What do you say?
I could not have said this any better myself.
Thankyou, Vitoo!
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I could not have said this any better myself.
Thankyou, Vitoo!
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RS5 hopes the best for you.
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RS5 hopes the best for you.
Thank you,Appreciate that
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I don't know how the scripters are organizing their work, but one idea would be to put all focus on getting the money system bulletproof so you can't abuse anything to get money. Once that is made, make the server official so people can start building their carreers. The rest of the bugs could be fixed while we're playing. And they will be found much faster now that we got 100 players ingame instead of 10.
If this is technically possible, go for it.
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I don't know how the scripters are organizing their work, but one idea would be to put all focus on getting the money system bulletproof so you can't abuse anything to get money. Once that is made, make the server official so people can start building their carreers. The rest of the bugs could be fixed while we're playing. And they will be found much faster now that we got 100 players ingame instead of 10.
If this is technically possible, go for it.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=102736.0
The release has been planned for later on today at 17:00CET (See above link).
I'm sure everything has been made as bulletproof as possible but there will always room for bugs however major.. it's just how it is on a constantly running server. Once we start getting more than 30 players on the server these sort of bugs may rear their heads. Hopefully not though.
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I don't know how the scripters are organizing their work, but one idea would be to put all focus on getting the money system bulletproof so you can't abuse anything to get money. Once that is made, make the server official so people can start building their carreers. The rest of the bugs could be fixed while we're playing. And they will be found much faster now that we got 100 players ingame instead of 10.
If this is technically possible, go for it.
That's why testing is required. Players know many more ways to abuse commands then testers can think of.
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Is it possible to make detailed reports about progress of bug fixing?
Like example I've seen on Wow private server website when cata came out how they repeatedly updated the bug fixes they made.
They made it period of 5-10 days,and after every 10 days they updated website with the report how many bugs where fixed and what kind ones.
I think it should keep healthy mind up moaning ones that shit is so bad and horrible.
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You know what guys,After i tryed RS5 for some days,I don't like it as i said RS4 for me is better then RS5 i really dont understand why you think about to make some thing new to show all people that you work but when you already have one of the best servers on SAMP i think its a big mistake to do i think most of the old people on Argo will agree with me.People on the past just came to Argo and from the first day they like it and they said ah "This is the server"I mean go ahed guys let me see even 1 server that there is people playing since 2006 and 2007,Evrey server you go people just register 1 day check the server and leave it Argonath no one leave it people will ban evading will do any thing to keep playing it but now...RS5 i dont think so.I dont know about you guys i dont even care to start all from 0$ in RS4 just get it back guys
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You should have thanked firstly the scripters who worked alot of time, without payment or anything, on a game, for one like you and me.
I think that they should only fix some small things, not because you used to play RS4, then RS5 is bad, same like: You grow, won't be a kid forever.
That is it.
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What the fuck?
Many scripters and developers sacrificed easily over hundreds of hours from their own time to create something new and unique once again for kids like you and this is the way you thank for that? If I am right, you were able to bring out your ideas, suggestions and improvements on the ideas section for many years. Now, after the release, you open up your mouth saying everything sucks and gamemode 4.1 should be back?
Honestly, is there absolutely any perception going on in your head?
Such a shame that people like you are the majority of this community.
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Shejken, I submitted an idea a loooong time ago to be able to disable public chat for yourself only, and that idea was shat on "No way that is ever going to happen" I was classified as unstable because I did want to isolate myself from the rest of the community.. Wow, now you've suddenly made /togpublic ? I mean, pff..
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You know what guys,After i tryed RS5 for some days,I don't like it as i said RS4 for me is better then RS5 i really dont understand why you think about to make some thing new to show all people that you work but when you already have one of the best servers on SAMP i think its a big mistake to do i think most of the old people on Argo will agree with me.People on the past just came to Argo and from the first day they like it and they said ah "This is the server"I mean go ahed guys let me see even 1 server that there is people playing since 2006 and 2007,Evrey server you go people just register 1 day check the server and leave it Argonath no one leave it people will ban evading will do any thing to keep playing it but now...RS5 i dont think so.I dont know about you guys i dont even care to start all from 0$ in RS4 just get it back guys
So by reading the title you are now using, it's apparent that you know of many things that were better on RS4 compared to RS5.
Now of course it would be foolish to ask you to list the so called 10 000 reasons so I will only ask you to list 100 reasons as to why RS4 is supposedly so much better.
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What the f**k?
Many scripters and developers sacrificed easily over hundreds of hours from their own time to create something new and unique once again for kids like you and this is the way you thank for that? If I am right, you were able to bring out your ideas, suggestions and improvements on the ideas section for many years. Now, after the release, you open up your mouth saying everything sucks and gamemode 4.1 should be back?
Honestly, is there absolutely any perception going on in your head?
Such a shame that people like you are the majority of this community.
Why is he going to thank developers for something he didn't like? Let the guy voice his opinion, what is the problem? "Not even Jesus satisfied everyone"
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I can't believe people take the time to create such topics moaning about a game.
It's a game, it's not real, get over it.
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And now you guys delete my replys guys i am just telling the true at least give the people thew chance to read my comment and see the true thats not nice you know?Idont car i want Gandalf handle this thing because we are talking about respect in real life and we are talking abouty real insults and real provoking
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Dimitri,
It's a video-game. The owners of the video-game decided to make a new gamemode with a different system which offered everyone a new chance to start over again. The old gamemode is gone, it cannot return and will not return.
comprende
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And now you guys delete my replys guys i am just telling the true at least give the people thew chance to read my comment and see the true thats not nice you know?Idont car i want Gandalf handle this thing because we are talking about respect in real life and we are talking abouty real insults and real provoking
Wrong topic, wrong place. You we're banned on teamspeak for Real life threats, if you would like to be unbanned you will have to make a unban request. Your posts got removed and you know the reason why.
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Why do people change the title of the topic.. do you even know how to forum dud? u even forum?
You think RS4 was better? so what, it isn't comming back, deal with it.
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So by reading the title you are now using, it's apparent that you know of many things that were better on RS4 compared to RS5.
Now of course it would be foolish to ask you to list the so called 10 000 reasons so I will only ask you to list 100 reasons as to why RS4 is supposedly so much better.
Please entertain me Dimitri.
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Please, i want to hear the 10000 reasons of why RS4 is better.
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From a newbies perspective id say RS5 is 10x better, seems way more stable and a lot more things to do :)
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Please, i want to hear the 10000 reasons of why RS4 is better.
You can't even hear 5 things..I'd bet that
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RS4 is way better than RS5. Fact.
However, you have to give RS5 some time as the community still has not adapted to RS5. We are all fairly young members in this community so there is no reason to why we cant deal with the changes in a positive manner. I personally cant wait to fast forward the next couple of months where everyone experienced RS5 and the server itself is almost bug-free, then the server will be simply awesome.
I mentioned this earlier in-game yesterday. RS5 is like Windows 8. When I purchased my laptop I immediately went on rampage trying to find the Windows 7 CD. After a while, I just started getting used to it I guess and now I really like it. So yeah like I said, give RS5 some time you will enjoy it.
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RS4 is way better than RS5. Fact.
Please give us some "facts" then if it is so much better as some like to say with half statements that have no merit.
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It's time for a change and new innovations. You start from zero as everyone else. It was clearly said that not all RS5 functions are implanted. Deal with it.
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Stop crying ffs like little babys, RS4 is over so deal with it, RS5 its so mutch better
ADMINS Dont listen to them they are just haters.
Haters gonna hate.
RS5 its awesome!!!
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Not that it will matter now. But personally, I don't think such a full re-design of the entire server with such complexity was ever needed. RS4 functioned really well from its very beginning. Minor polishing/updates of some scripts could have been nice. Even a full reset of the server, including stats would have been lovely to bring back a little competition (that reset is one of the few positive things about RS5 - coming from a guy who had a pretty decent inventory). There was a lot of ideas posted on the forum, implementing all those whistles and bells on RS5 just over-done it.
And if you claim RS4 wasn't interesting anymore, then it is only because people had RS5 in their expectations and knew it was coming to an end eventually.
For for the record, one is not necessarily obsessed with assets just because they chose to mention it. To some, it is just something that makes things a little more entertaining and thus not necessarily considered their best of interest.
RS4 is in the past, though. So it's no use crying over spilled milk. Like I said, it is not like this discussion will matter now :).
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Stop crying ffs like little babys, RS4 is over so deal with it, RS5 its so mutch better
ADMINS Dont listen to them they are just haters.
Haters gonna hate.
RS5 its awesome!!!
Not sure if asslicking or generally ignorant.
Everything has problems, and I mean fucking EVERYTHING if you look closely you will find problems, RS5 as an idea is awesome, the problems bugs and the first time we saw it is bad, don't be ignorant, we aren't haters, we are here for constructive critisism and being judgmental over something that has been in the work for three years. With that said, if most of the people are enjoying RS5, they don't need to change it, as it split the comunity in two parts, the people that hate RS5, the people that love RS5, but that was imminent and they knew it.
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After being with RS4(.1) for over 4 years if my maths is anything to go by.. it was time for an upgrade or rather a complete re-work. While most things still worked really well there were some other things that were dated and under the hood caused problems for players and scripters alike.. probably due to all the different people that worked on it over the years and different the techniques they used.
RS4(.1) was great and I miss it but as mentioned it was time for a re-work, time for change and a new era to start.
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Please give us some "facts" then if it is so much better as some like to say with half statements that have no merit.
The release of RS5 already indicates that the previous scripts is better. A stable script is better than a new script which may contain way more bugs than the stable script. Also, I have been playing RS4 for almost 5 years so of course I will state that RS4 is better. Like I said in my post, we should all as a community give RS5 some time.
On the other hand, congratulations on your promotion.
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I honestly Like RS4 More.
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RS5 is better, I like it more than RS4.
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Don't like the RS5? Me neither, so I left. Lead by example.
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If you want a fact,
Look how many players left because of RS5.
Look how many "Hate" topics are created.
Look how many players are online.
I'm just saying..
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Don't like the RS5? Me neither, so I left. Lead by example.
Well said.
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People must either adapt to the change or move on, the choice is theirs.
The new scripts are vastly different from RS4.1 however the server is still the same albeit with more people trying to say a script that is in development isn't as good as an old script in their eyes.
When you get a new cellphone, you don't immediately start saying it sucks because you don't understand it;
You take time to learn how to use the new features and learn to change the way you use the phone accordingly.
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Oh my god... Yet another one of these topics.. How stupid you people are? You've been told that you can COMPLAIN ALL YOU WANT, RS4 will NOT RETURN. Either leave the community, or get used to it. Just because the concept is changed doesn't mean it's shit, no-one else is to blame but you for not being able to adapt to something that is 10000 better than RS4 even had the potential to be.
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I'm still waiting on hearing the 10000 ways why RS4 is better than RS5.
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If you want a fact,
Look how many players left because of RS5.
A large portion would return if they got their old accounts returned. That's a fact.
Then you have those who miss RS4 play-style, the simplicity.
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A large portion would return if they got their old accounts returned. That's a fact.
Then you have those who miss RS4 play-style, the simplicity.
Well, if players were here only for the assets that they had, I'm glad they left. Sooner or later, new players will take their place.
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When you get a new cellphone, you don't immediately start saying it sucks because you don't understand it;
You take time to learn how to use the new features and learn to change the way you use the phone accordingly.
You simply don't buy phone you don't like. ;)
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You simply don't buy phone you don't like. ;)
You don't comprehend an example if you refuse to think about it.
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A large portion would return if they got their old accounts returned. That's a fact.
Then you have those who miss RS4 play-style, the simplicity.
This is a simple BS. Ever seen people like Antonio who were one of richest in the server moan that they don't want full restart? I don't think so, and yes, there is a high percent of people who left due to RS5 only because they missed RS4 and it's scripts. Along all other players who left, I play now on the other server and I won't brag about it now. I'm just telling why people left and why they won't come back.
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This is a simple BS. Ever seen people like Antonio who were one of richest in the server moan that they don't want full restart? I don't think so, and yes, there is a high percent of people who left due to RS5 only because they missed RS4 and it's scripts. Along all other players who left, I play now on the other server and I won't brag about it now. I'm just telling why people left and why they won't come back.
The players left not because of RS4 scripts, It's because the easy way how they get money. Everything is about money that's all, else everyone would like RS5 easily.
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The players left not because of RS4 scripts, It's because the easy way how they get money. Everything is about money that's all, else everyone would like RS5 easily.
Not at all. Easy way how they got money? It's really stupid to say that, you're either "liking" the RS5 because you will get the admin or whatsoever faster than player who dislikes RS5 commenting on topics like this. It's really bullcrap.
Your implying is like you'd imply something where only you stand against 100 people's opinion and claim you're right.
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Don't like the RS5? Me neither, so I left. Lead by example.
So then why are you still here if you left?
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Not at all. Easy way how they got money? It's really stupid to say that, you're either "liking" the RS5 because you will get the admin or whatsoever faster than player who dislikes RS5 commenting on topics like this. It's really bullcrap.
Your implying is like you'd imply something where only you stand against 100 people's opinion and claim you're right.
And who actually said that i want to be admin, if you're mentioning about my application then i suggest you to see when i created it.
Who are the 100 people, show them to me, and i will show you that 99.9% of them want it back for the money.
Players wanted RS5 game-mode and there what you wanted, players suggested the most of the scripts and features, and there what they want.
When the rummer of the reset of the accounts in RS5 started, everyone raged, made topics and moaned about that, because *they lost their money and they can't make it anymore* or *im lazy i cant do that again* seriously stop begging for money, money isn't everything in the life.
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So then why are you still here if you left?
Do you think SAMP is the only thing in this comunity? he might just be visiting the forum like me or play MTA, GTA 4, if he left he can still be here as he is expressing that he left RS5, not the whole comunity.
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What's the point of passing judgement on why other players leave if you class yourself as one of those that left because you don't like change?
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whatever
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What's the point of passing judgement on why other players leave if you class yourself as one of those that left because you don't like change?
As much as I support RS5, I can't do anything but respond negatively to this comment. This is what's wrong with Argonath and why I really hate it sometimes.. Argonath managment, especially the one who develops SAMP, tends to think that Argonath RPG is completely SA:MP, that everything Argonath related is SA:MP and that SA:MP is the most important of all. Few words: big - pile - of - bull... . Argonath RPG includes VC:MP, MTA:SA, IV:MP, LU, MTA:VC and soon to include Mafia II. You might say SA:MP server is the most important, but in my eyes, Argonath would be better off moving to MTA:SA and closing off SA:MP server, as MTA:SA is more advanced, has more possibilities and doesn't force players to suffer from unbearable lag and terrible sync. He could have left SA:MP, but Argonath =/= SA:MP, SA:MP is only part of Argonath, but it is NOT ARGONATH ITSELF. GET THAT INTO YOUR HEAD SA:MP ADMIN TEAM, PLEASE!!
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No single server within Argonath is better than the other in regards to being the only important server.
When I made that remark about people leaving primarily because this topic is about SA:MP and the scripts of SA:MP.
This is about SA:MP and not the other servers what's so difficult about that?
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No single server within Argonath is better than the other in regards to being the only important server.
When I made that remark about people leaving primarily because this topic is about SA:MP and the scripts of SA:MP.
This is about SA:MP and not the other servers what's so difficult about that?
A forum is where people can publicly express their opinion, this isn't a SAMP server.
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This is SA:MP Board.
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A forum is where people can publicly express their opinion
People need to learn to accept criticism without felling personally offended, yeah sure, the scripters might have had a hard job, but working hard does not mean the outcome will be the best thing ever, not for everyone at least. If someone here says that he left because of RS5, that's criticism, and I'm sure he's very well in his right to do so without having people trying to kindle an arguement about it.
Regarding the "property moan" issue, this game is an old game, and most of the regulars are slightly older players that started when they were younger, that no longer have the time to build their empire as they had when this game was the hype.
So, I'm not defending anyone, I'm just saying that before bashing onto people like Antonio for example, you should all think that maybe he still wishes to play as he did in the past, with the fruits of his hard work, but no longer can because of responsibilities brought to him with age that reduce is gaming time to rebuild everything.
It's easy to label everything as a solution, wether it being calling someone greedy, or a player as a hater, but getting on a person's shoes and try and understand, that's hard, and that's why this arguement is going on and on.
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This is a simple BS. Ever seen people like Antonio who were one of richest in the server moan that they don't want full restart? I don't think so, and yes, there is a high percent of people who left due to RS5 only because they missed RS4 and it's scripts. Along all other players who left, I play now on the other server and I won't brag about it now. I'm just telling why people left and why they won't come back.
You're acting like that's new news.
We knew some players would leave when we introduced RS5. I also agree that it could have gone smoother between the transition between RS4 and RS5 but what shouldn't happend did happend and we had to deal with it. We know it contributed to some players leaving aswell.
Players will always leave the server for various reasons. But we are always gaining new players for various reasons aswell.
If you have left the server then fun for you. There's no need for you to come here and boast about it and try to stir up drama because of it. If you do, you will be forced to leave the forum aswell.
Lets get back on topic. I'm still waiting on the list of how RS4 is better than RS5 in 10000 ways.
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RS4 functioned really well from its very beginning.
I don't mean to antagonise anyone with this, but RS3 was totally broken as f**k when it was released.
At least in RS5 you don't crash every 10 minutes, you know? :)
most of the regulars are slightly older players that started when they were younger, that no longer have the time to build their empire as they had when this game was the hype.
feels bad man
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When you get a new cellphone, you don't immediately start saying it sucks because you don't understand it;
You take time to learn how to use the new features and learn to change the way you use the phone accordingly.
Okay, let's stick to the example with cellphones then, you brought it up yourself so you asked for it. Ever heard of the saying: Old is gold?
You see, I've had the same phone for 2+ years now, a phone that was the very first on the market with dual core. I bought a brand new phone the other month, one with qual core, used it for a month or so and sold it as it turned out my old phone was superior to the new one. Frankly, I earned a few bucks on it anyway but the point is, new stuff doesn't necessarily make things better.
The reason to this is, that this 2+ year old phone has just been improved a hell of a lot over time. I'm tell you, all the tests proved that dual core beat quad core because of these improvements. Not in benchmarks, but through usage. Benchmarks are just numbers and they mean jack. I've read the HQ saying they made RS5 to make the server more "unique" etc. etc. etc. With daily usage, this don't mean jack to the users either. So, what had been done with this old phone could have been done with RS4; been improved. What has been done here instead is completely reformed the entire thing just for the sake of doing something.
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RS4 functioned really well from its very beginning.
There is one flaw with this argument which makes it invalid. RS4 was built upon RS3 (and not built from scratch) and RS5 was built from scratch which will obviously make it more unstable for a period of time. RS4 also had been worked on for over 5 years (considering it was built upon RS3) which obviously makes it more stable. Still, there was loads and loads of bugs in it which most players couldn't see but HQ / developers could.
Besides, RS3 was even more broke and buggy than RS5 when it was released. If i remember correctly, RS3 had to be completly rewritten as it was so unstable as it was unplayable? Or was that RS2?
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Zaila strikes again. :)
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I see what you did there, Zaila and you got me word for word.
Take the stage RS4 had reached then and forget the beginning. People were satisfied and enjoying it. That is the bottom line. Like I said, a reset and minor updates could have made it. If players can't see the bugs, then who cares about them? Indirectly, you are actually saying that irrelevant bugs brought RS5. I guess in your mind, it would be more appropriate to switch car because of a flat tire instead of simply changing the tire. Same logic.
You want to discuss RS4 VS. RS5? You are looking for a discussion which is a matter of personal taste then. I say a protein shake tastes better than soda while others think the opposite. Scratch that. Let's keep it game-related. Search for.. Hmm.. Crysis VS. FarCry on Google. You'll find the same result as you have looking on here: It is a matter of personal opinion where nobody is right. You can keep on discussing. And this endless discussion will continue even if this topic gets shut down, which I am sure it will eventually.
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I don't like RS5 too, but who gives a fuck about my opinion? ;)
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Besides, RS3 was even more broke and buggy than RS5 when it was released. If i remember correctly, RS3 had to be completly rewritten as it was so unstable as it was unplayable? Or was that RS2?
Just to make it clear:
RS1: Was built with the PEN1 script as example, I rewrote about 70%$ to fit it within our ideas and to learn how scripting works.
RS2: Built from scratch for the SA:MP 0.2 release. Unfortunately it was too 'heavy' and advanced for the SA:MP release and could not hold more than 20 players, the amount that beta tested.
RS3: Rewritten and tuned down version of RS2. I learned how to reduce script size and manage memory. In the end it contained 90% of RS2 with only 60% of the script size and using 40% of the RS2 memory.
RS4: Was actually equal to RS3, however instead of making one large script I separated it in to filterscripts, making it possible for multiple scripters to work on the project.
RS4.1: Debugged version of RS4, overhauled by CFBASI and David_Omid mainly. Once they stopped, Conroy and Gimli did the maintenance and added functionality.
RS4.1 has the issue of an outdated file system that places limits on many things. It is based on the system designed for RS3, and if done today I would not make it the same.
Due to its design it is prone to script lag, making it impossible for more as 200 players. However for a single game mode to survive for 6 years is pretty unique, even if we expected to have it replaced about 1 year earlier.
RS5 has a new database design made by UML standards. As a result the database design is ahead of current SA:MP limitations and is built to last. That means we do not look at any type of major reset for the coming 5 to 10 years.
The scripters will open a roadmap for RS5 showing what features are worked on and will be added later on. As for player support, ARUN will be the place to put your ideas forward and see if there is majority support.
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It is a matter of personal opinion where nobody is right
You're right there. However, what i can do is trying to provide arguments of why we have done things the way we have done. You as a player see it from one side, me as a developer is seeing it from the other side. What doesn't make sense for you makes sense for me. You are argumenting for your side, i'm argumenting from my side. We're 2 different humans after all.
And this endless discussion will continue even if this topic gets shut down, which I am sure it will eventually.
We're not locking this topic down as there is no reason to. There's nothing wrong with having a discussion like this. The problems comes when forum users is starting to personally attack other forum users or flame other forum users but then other measures can be taken to avoid it.
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What the f**k?
Many scripters and developers sacrificed easily over hundreds of hours from their own time to create something new and unique once again for kids like you and this is the way you thank for that? If I am right, you were able to bring out your ideas, suggestions and improvements on the ideas section for many years. Now, after the release, you open up your mouth saying everything sucks and gamemode 4.1 should be back?
Honestly, is there absolutely any perception going on in your head?
Such a shame that people like you are the majority of this community.
Yeah, really what is criticism. Fuck everyone who thinks bad about the script even though they're one of many thousands and are not required to like the server fully.
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So by reading the title you are now using, it's apparent that you know of many things that were better on RS4 compared to RS5.
Now of course it would be foolish to ask you to list the so called 10 000 reasons so I will only ask you to list 100 reasons as to why RS4 is supposedly so much better.
Please, i want to hear the 10000 reasons of why RS4 is better.
Yeah, lets keep to using logical fallacies and ripping words off context.
This entire topic is pathetic in both sides.
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Lets get back on topic. I'm still waiting on the list of how RS4 is better than RS5 in 10000 ways.
The day the list appears and every single reason is reasonable I will shit in my hands and clap 10000 times.
Anyway I'm very interested in this road map because what we currently see as RS5 I believe is just the beginning or the tip of the ice berg. On the release day I could see that there is so much more that can be done with the script. So the future is very interesting.
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Yeah, lets keep to using logical fallacies and ripping words off context.
This entire topic is pathetic in both sides.
ur so u
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RS5 has great script than RS4, I do not know why da hell people don't like RS5 or it is all about the money?
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As someone previously posted.. RS5 and RS4 is like a bust tyre in which the developers chose to select a new car rather than changing the tyre. The new car is now non-refundable. Wait till RS5 is stable and everyone adapts to the change. I guarantee in a few months everyone is going to non-stop compliment the developers for offering us a fresh script update.
Let everyone leave, it shows they were here for the money. Money can be earned again, if anything I believe the process is quicker due to more opportunities for us in RS5. I had over $2m and I frankly don't give a shit that its gone. Many people left Argonath due to the significant change. People come and go, don't use that as an excuse to as a form of persuasion to bring back RS4.
Heres to the future of Argonath :weed:
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Just to make it clear:
RS1: Was built with the PEN1 script as example, I rewrote about 70%$ to fit it within our ideas and to learn how scripting works.
RS2: Built from scratch for the SA:MP 0.2 release. Unfortunately it was too 'heavy' and advanced for the SA:MP release and could not hold more than 20 players, the amount that beta tested.
RS3: Rewritten and tuned down version of RS2. I learned how to reduce script size and manage memory. In the end it contained 90% of RS2 with only 60% of the script size and using 40% of the RS2 memory.
RS4: Was actually equal to RS3, however instead of making one large script I separated it in to filterscripts, making it possible for multiple scripters to work on the project.
RS4.1: Debugged version of RS4, overhauled by CFBASI and David_Omid mainly. Once they stopped, Conroy and Gimli did the maintenance and added functionality.
RS4.1 has the issue of an outdated file system that places limits on many things. It is based on the system designed for RS3, and if done today I would not make it the same.
Due to its design it is prone to script lag, making it impossible for more as 200 players. However for a single game mode to survive for 6 years is pretty unique, even if we expected to have it replaced about 1 year earlier.
RS5 has a new database design made by UML standards. As a result the database design is ahead of current SA:MP limitations and is built to last. That means we do not look at any type of major reset for the coming 5 to 10 years.
The scripters will open a roadmap for RS5 showing what features are worked on and will be added later on. As for player support, ARUN will be the place to put your ideas forward and see if there is majority support.
Thank you so much for this, it's very good read some Argonath's history from time to time :-)
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RS5 has great script than RS4, I do not know why da hell people don't like RS5 or it is all about the money?
The most complained thing about RS5 by players are the bugs. They already understood that the money it's gone.
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The person who wrote this has a very good point. To be bold Rs5 lacks charm, lacks that charisma.
It's a fact that the servers popularity has fallen drastically and that didn't happen for no reason.
If we got to vote which server we would get up and running i have no doubts in my mind Rs4 would win.
But I suppose our oppionons wont matter.
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Re4.1 will never come back.Why not just invent ideas for re5 and requesting bad scripts to be removed?.
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I finally played RS5 today and I have to say while some features are missing its mostly the same shit i dont know what people are bitching about
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When RS4 was introduced, there was moaning too. As I was part of the Alpha and Beta tester teams for RS4 who saw the beginnings of the fire missions and other things that are staples in the current game mode, I couldn't help but notice there were more players during the introduction of RS4 as compared to the launch of RS5.
But when I analyzed the situation further, I observed the following factors contributing to RS5's lower introductory count, some of which coincide with other players' observations here. For the majority though, it seems they are not considering these parts of the equation when moaning about why RS5 has a lower player count.
1. GTA V
This is the one factor I mainly borrowed from someone else's observation, but I would still agree enough to list it here. I would not need to go in-depth to this as by now, many of you are aware that GTA V is one of the most commercially-successful games of the year, and we know what that means for gamers. I guess this would also be related to factor #3.
2. MTA:SA
This is in no way a blame towards MTA:SA, and in fact I even like its gamemode. Compared to now, MTA:SA was pretty much dormant at the time of RS4 release because of manpower issues (IIRC). Having two highly-played gamemodes (of the same genre) in one community is bound to affect the player count of at least one. The "center" of the playerbase is slowly moving once again, in this case it is spread out between SA:MP, MTA:SA, and also IV:MP. (whereas it used to be in VC before moving to SA:MP a few years prior)
3. (Age of) The Playerbase
RS4 was released in mid-2009. At the time, majority of the regulars were composed of people who started playing GTA (Multiplayer) regularly a few years prior. Fast forward 4.5 years (4.5!) later, and many of the regulars who started early/late in RS4/RS3 now have additional obligations in real life, such as University/College and work. Tony pretty much explained this one.
4. Age of GTA:SA
Let's face the facts, GTA:SA is an aging game and we do not see as many playing GTA:SA (alone, meaning SP) as we used to. In several years' time, it will take the same path as GTA:VC; it is already on the way, albeit slower owing to how GTA:IV did not cause as much of an impact on the GTA:SA (multiplayer) playerbase as GTA:SA did on the GTA:VC playerbase, back then.
5. RS5's Rocky Release
Most of us know here as well that because of certain recent events, the developers had to release RS5 earlier than expected, which led to a not-so-smooth transition. It may not be the main factor, but it certainly has had a significant effect.
Whether you add your own to this list or not, the fact is that this is a volatile era for the Argonath SA:MP sub-community.
Yet in spite of all these factors, RS5 and the other Argonath servers continue to attract new players, even as we speak. The fact that Argonath manages to keep a community thriving on games that most of which could be said to be outdated by today's standards is an achievement unto itself.
Things may be tough at first (even I personally dislike some aspects of the new gamemode), but as time passes, people will adapt. That's what Argonathians do.
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I finally played RS5 today and I have to say while some features are missing its mostly the same shit i dont know what people are bad girling about
this.
just get the major bugs fixed first (i.e. no /pm, no /me etc) and get an effective system for criminals to make money (drugs), and the server is fine
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Why is it not effective at the moment Bundy?
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Why is it not effective at the moment Bundy?
half of the server has no clue where to get drugs, and even if they got it, to whom must they sell it?
richest guy i've seen so far has 10k
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half of the server has no clue where to get drugs, and even if they got it, to whom must they sell it?
richest guy i've seen so far has 10k
Honestly, how much time did you spend ingame after the launch?
There is a player with more than 400k already.
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to be honest i think its a step back for te server, but it dont mean the server or the script sucks, its good to see news things also for apreciate the scripters work
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half of the server has no clue where to get drugs, and even if they got it, to whom must they sell it?
richest guy i've seen so far has 10k
In that case players need to learn and figure out how to earn.
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half of the server has no clue where to get drugs, and even if they got it, to whom must they sell it?
richest guy i've seen so far has 10k
fuck the money and the drugs, i used to have like 2-3 millions and not enjoy playing then just gaave away all my money to friends and start to enjoy playing
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Honestly, how much time did you spend ingame after the launch?
more than the average player
In that case players need to learn and figure out how to earn.
and this is the problem, because nobody's going to without a helping hand
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There really isn't any need for me to comment, as the last 16 pages pretty much summarize it. Nonetheless I'll express my point of view on the current status of the community.
It's clear that the 'internet + change = clusterf**k' situation is all the more present now that change has occured and the community has trouble adapting to it.
The scenario of RS3 to RS4 should give more than enough insight on how this is going to play out. (Everybody getting used to it and topics like these becoming irrelevant)
What I noticed right away is that players try to recreate the same style of playing as RS4, by hoarding and attempting to massively earn loads of money - wRONg!
One of the reasons RS4 HAD to be replaced is because the experience of the past few years was based around virtual money, without it you didn't have a lot of material freedom. This made everyone so fixated about finance that it completely ruined the P2P experience.
This fresh start, this clean sheet, this 'back to square one' gives us the oppertunity to learn from our past mistakes, take notion of them and try to PREVENT and AVOID them now that we have the chance.
Yes, RS5 has a broad economy system which is based on players earning money and >SPENDING< it. The problem here is that players now are fixated on EARNING, preferably as easily and repetatively as possible.
The other day there were about 10 firemen at LSFD, almost all driving their own truck, just sitting around waiting for a fire mission. When one came, they all rolled out, each their own fire truck, arriving at the mission, everyone blatantly trying to cover as much fire as possible to catch a glimpse of the reward for themselves. What does this scenario signify?
Greed, a lack of cooperation, communication and progressive playing. Everyone is in it for their own virtual bank account, completely obliterating the P2P experience.
Almost nobody (luckily not everybody) is willing to let go of even $1 for something that either benefits them or somebody else. The initial fase of RS5 is one big Scrooge McDuck fest and nobody is even TRYING to have FUN and enjoy RS5 because they're all too busy with making MONEY, because they are USED to it!
The increased amount of scripted jobs is a pro for players who are new to the server and still need to orientate, eventually mixing script jobs with RP scenarios. However this won't be achieved once all players are only busy with scripts jobs and completely abandon the idea of doing it, with, for, from and by OTHER PEOPLE!
People who say they want RS4 back, sorry for being so blatant, should be ignored, because they haven't taken the time to adapt themselves, nor be open to the concept of adaption and change. Once RS5 is on its feet and functioning 100%, complaints and dissatisfaction can be taken into account.
Listen to the man,
" All should understand that Argonath is not just something you waste time on. It is a community with heart and soul that will stick together. "
" The most important part is interacting with others and meeting people from around the world. " -Gandalf.
People who refuse to play SA:MP RS5 because they like older versions, you're welcome at MTA:SA 2.0. It's not RS4, it's not RS5, it's MTA.
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I completely agree with Bundy on the drug script part, the fact that only unknown 7 out of 49 spots or w/e are active at a time should make it difficult enough for people to get drugs, but the fact that even the 49 are not known, nevermind the 7, is just impossible. How can you find 49 spots of which 42 you can't even see? You'd have to look at each spot of the map multiple times when you don't even know what triggers the change in active spots. You'd have to spend your days going grid by grid 24/7 looking for the spots. What should be done is at least the general areas with hints should be released (probably to /help).
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I completely agree with Bundy on the drug script part, the fact that only unknown 7 out of 49 spots or w/e are active at a time should make it difficult enough for people to get drugs, but the fact that even the 49 are not known, nevermind the 7, is just impossible. How can you find 49 spots of which 42 you can't even see? You'd have to look at each spot of the map multiple times when you don't even know what triggers the change in active spots. You'd have to spend your days going grid by grid 24/7 looking for the spots. What should be done is at least the general areas with hints should be released (probably to /help).
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The point is not to be difficult but to be a little harder with more effort being made by everyone equally not just with drugs.
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I tried RS5 and initial experience was pleasant, but it was abruptly ended by a situation, where a officer was doing this "road check" at that point I was like: " sure whatever, trying if RS4 scenarios still work, whatever" then another officer just came close to me, said nothing, just pickpocketed ran away with 1.6k. the one who stopped me then also pickpocketed and ran away with 600$ and after that I was: " Fuck it, if a freaking officer can just pickpocket any civilian without any actual P2P interaction, well I don't see myself enjoying roleplaying in this server."
Now I don't know how was the pickpocketing supposed to work or even if it still exist, but yeah...
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The point is not to be difficult but to be a little harder with more effort being made by everyone equally not just with drugs.
Sure, little harder and effort made by everyone. How about we assign every player one square of the map to patrol every hour or so, in case there's a drug spot there? Once we get to around 50, we can stop. Effort by everyone and a little harder.
...Seriously though.
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I tried RS5 and initial experience was pleasant, but it was abruptly ended by a situation, where a officer was doing this "road check" at that point I was like: " sure whatever, trying if RS4 scenarios still work, whatever" then another officer just came close to me, said nothing, just pickpocketed ran away with 1.6k. the one who stopped me then also pickpocketed and ran away with 600$ and after that I was: " f**k it, if a freaking officer can just pickpocket any civilian without any actual P2P interaction, well I don't see myself enjoying roleplaying in this server."
Now I don't know how was the pickpocketing supposed to work or even if it still exist, but yeah...
I honestly cannot say if that will stay or not at the moment there are a couple of things wrong with it. Money is something that your supposed to work for this time around not something easily gained. Yes I know there is some sort of luck when it comes to pickpocketing but it can still be easily done and misused like you mentioned.
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Sure, little harder and effort made by everyone. How about we assign every player one square of the map to patrol every hour or so, in case there's a drug spot there? Once we get to around 50, we can stop. Effort by everyone and a little harder.
...Seriously though.
I know there's a weird way of how it works at the moment but I was trying to get at the earning money aspect of everything on the server. RS3 RS4 money was practically given to you on a silver platter... it was easily 'earned'.
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RS3 RS4 money was practically given to you on a silver platter... it was easily 'earned'.
that's literally untrue
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I tried RS5 and initial experience was pleasant, but it was abruptly ended by a situation, where a officer was doing this "road check" at that point I was like: " sure whatever, trying if RS4 scenarios still work, whatever" then another officer just came close to me, said nothing, just pickpocketed ran away with 1.6k. the one who stopped me then also pickpocketed and ran away with 600$ and after that I was: " f**k it, if a freaking officer can just pickpocket any civilian without any actual P2P interaction, well I don't see myself enjoying roleplaying in this server."
Now I don't know how was the pickpocketing supposed to work or even if it still exist, but yeah...
Server rules now include no pickpocketing without RP. /report if some jackass just grabs and runs for no reason, you'll get the money back.
Thus beware when no admins are online...
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that's literally untrue
ECONOMIC STIMULUS
m8
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that's literally untrue
Sadly it was very true I think that out of allot of people who could hold the merit to say that it is true I should have a fairly practical voice. The actual conditions of RS4 are only known to an extent but estimates contained from BSF during its operations indicate a very big problem with the RS4 economy before and after the injection of 354,000,000 that BSF added to the economy during it's operation the reality though is that money represents a smaller fraction of the total gross value of RS4 and even the injected money the reality was the economy was undervalued and over inflated there is no getting around the fact that money for the most part was easily achievable and in abundance.
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Sadly it was very true I think that out of allot of people who could hold the merit to say that it is true I should have a fairly practical voice. The actual conditions of RS4 are only known to an extent but estimates contained from BSF during its operations indicate a very big problem with the RS4 economy before and after the injection of 354,000,000 that BSF added to the economy during it's operation the reality though is that money represents a smaller fraction of the total gross value of RS4 and even the injected money the reality was the economy was undervalued and over inflated there is no getting around the fact that money for the most part was easily achievable and in abundance.
It will happen to RS5 if they do not accept my advice of an Alternative reliable economy - Gold.
I have years of financial experience, back from when I was selling bubble gum, sweets and Drinks and later crack cocaine (no not really), in the playground.
I quickly learned that if I just collected money I may end up just losing it. So I told my parents if I could put it somewhere which would keep it safe, they said, well, we don't trust the banks but we think you should probably buy something, they said Gold or Bonds.
I only had £200. But the value went up very nicely.
Do I need to explain this?
Come on use my idea.
Even if you wanted to use "Plastic Bars" instead of "Gold" and made 100 uses for Gold it'd be just as good and would actually add value.
I.e. Plastic needed for creating parts in guns, radio, phone, car repairs, food packaging, clothing... The list is endless.
Gandalf, take one thing from real world economy (which the real world failed badly in) - just printing it doesn't make it valuable, having it backed up against an object means it'll be worth it.
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It will happen to RS5 if they do not accept my advice of an Alternative reliable economy - Gold.
I have years of financial experience, back from when I was selling bubble gum, sweets and Drinks and later crack cocaine (no not really), in the playground.
I quickly learned that if I just collected money I may end up just losing it. So I told my parents if I could put it somewhere which would keep it safe, they said, well, we don't trust the banks but we think you should probably buy something, they said Gold.
Do I need to explain this?
Come on use my idea.
Even if you wanted to use "Plastic Bars" instead of "Gold" and made 100 uses for Gold it'd be just as good and would actually add value.
I.e. Plastic needed for creating parts in guns, radio, phone, car repairs, food packaging, clothing... The list is endless.
Gandalf, take one thing from real world economy (which the real world failed badly in) - just printing it doesn't make it valuable, having it backed up against an object means it'll be worth it.
Actually Monte, this idea was considered by private entities during RS4 in a much different way but the reason these practices work in real world is because in the real world has a limited amount of gold where as online whenever we felt the need we could just stimulate the reserves it will not simply work.
And for the record we live in a world of FIAT Currency no country on earth has gold backing it up.
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Actually Monte, this idea was considered by private entities during RS4 in a much different way but the reason these practices work in real world is because in the real world has a limited amount of gold where as online whenever we felt the need we could just stimulate the reserves it will not simply work.
And for the record we live in a world of FIAT Currency no country on earth has gold backing it up.
That's what lead to the financial collapse.
The private entity's flopped because they couldn't do nothing with 50k of weed and heroin.
It was more of a status symbol.
If Gold was implemented there are easy ways to make it work.
I can guarantee you that this planet we live on does not have so little gold as they say, but is jam packed with it. They don't know what's deep in the ground. The real value is it's diverse use and individual qualities. Gold can easily be made a legal right by the UN as it is needed in many other areas.
Area includes The right to internet, right to clean drinking water. Gold plays a part in the physical delivery of those.
It doesn't take a genius to work out how it can be implemented.
We have bone county quarry, and the only time it was used was when I was the first contract holder of BSF and made Industrial Corporation - we role played mining there. Then the idea died when BSF threatened to sue me? Do you remember this? If so I hate you.
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I tried RS5 and initial experience was pleasant, but it was abruptly ended by a situation, where a officer was doing this "road check" at that point I was like: " sure whatever, trying if RS4 scenarios still work, whatever" then another officer just came close to me, said nothing, just pickpocketed ran away with 1.6k. the one who stopped me then also pickpocketed and ran away with 600$ and after that I was: " f**k it, if a freaking officer can just pickpocket any civilian without any actual P2P interaction, well I don't see myself enjoying roleplaying in this server."
Now I don't know how was the pickpocketing supposed to work or even if it still exist, but yeah...
now that gives me an idea!
that's literally untrue
no u!!!!!
Server rules now include no pickpocketing without RP. /report if some jackass just grabs and runs for no reason, you'll get the money back.
Thus beware when no admins are online...
Now that's funny. Every time some script idea was brought up in the ideas board, if it was similar to some sorts of interaction out of RP it was always bashed by JDC and co. (higher ups like Gendalf included) with the maxim "JUST RP IT!!!!!". Time flies by in a ridiculous fashion.
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Sadly it was very true I think that out of allot of people who could hold the merit to say that it is true I should have a fairly practical voice.
But based on your forum profile you joined the server over 3 years after the script release. Was RS3 even still out then?
That's not even comparable to RS5 right now, it's like you joining in 2017 and saying "earning money in RS5 is super easy". No shit, everyone is rich already.
no u!!!!!
no
u
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that's literally untrue
because getting 50k for a month for doing nothing is difficult. Sorry, 50k per BSF Scheme roleplay group.
Or the wonderful lottos.
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because getting 50k for a month for doing nothing is difficult. Sorry, 50k per BSF Scheme roleplay group.
Or the wonderful lottos.
Well I dunno about all that stuff, you're a relatively new player that didn't play in RS3 or the start of RS4 and that's what I was talking about. Especially RS3, where only cops could make money direct from script.
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Well I dunno about all that stuff, you're a relatively new player that didn't play in RS3 or the start of RS4 and that's what I was talking about. Especially RS3, where only cops could make money direct from script.
So I guess it's quite obvious Ted wasn't referring to that period then
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So I guess it's quite obvious Ted wasn't referring to that period then
He did say RS3, but still he's right, money was incredibly easy to come by from 2011 onwards
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So I guess it's quite obvious Ted wasn't referring to that period then
He said RS3 in his post, so he wasn't referring to only the second half of RS4.
whatever it doesn't matter anyway
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I have to say it,I have to face the true,I was fu***** drunk that day so if i was talking bullsh** then just orget about this i mean don't be like don't like try to judge me i messed up i fuc*** up i was drunk and stupid that day and hm never mind fu** it i fu**** up that day i was talking some bullsh** just i will try to put all this behind me and forget about that.
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People are being very annoying with this shity kind of topics, just drop this fights about RS4 and RS5, if you want RS4 again go and script it and feel free to play, now it's a new era, its RS5 era.
Merry Christmas and Happy new year everyone :)
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People are being very annoying with this shity kind of topics, just drop this fights about RS4 and RS5, if you want RS4 again go and script it and feel free to play, now it's a new era, its RS5 era.
Merry Christmas and Happy new year everyone :)
Oh,so you're telling that we have to remain silent and agree with everything about the Server.
Doing our own Script?
Man,if you're annoyed yourself,go Script your own server and play by setting rules "Discussions about the server will lead to punishments"
Happy New Year and Merry Christmas.
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Oh,so you're telling that we have to remain silent and agree with everything about the Server.
Whats wrong with the actual RS5 server, i see it very playable.It has a lot of difference with what people saw on beta version, and cause of what they saw beta version who was really bugy and they started to "hate" RS5.
Let's hope they will go in server and give it a second chance and not leave to MTA,IV:MP or V:MP.
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Same shit different topic.
Discussions that go nowhere but round in circles.
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Why has this topic been renamed yet again...
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LOL this topic has been renamed 4 times already haha...
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O_o i just noticed that the name was changed at my first post here.It's weird cause i didn't even changed the subject :|
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I have to say it,I have to face the true,I was fu***** drunk that day so if i was talking bullsh** then just orget about this i mean don't be like don't like try to judge me i messed up i fuc*** up i was drunk and stupid that day and hm never mind fu** it i fu**** up that day i was talking some bullsh** just i will try to put all this behind me and forget about that.
Congrats, your drunk topic lead to 18 pages.
Even if RS4 would be better as some people say, It's gone, it can't come back.
What you can do is suggest changes that change certain things back to the way it was, and display why you think it should be changed back.
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Even if RS4 would be better as some people say, It's gone, it can't come back.
It can come back, Gandalf already said it. If donations to have RS4 back reachs 400EUR, and the servers gets 200logins per day he will put the server back (without any data).
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It can come back, Gandalf already said it. If donations to have RS4 back reachs 400EUR, and the servers gets 200logins per day he will put the server back (without any data).
:eek:
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:eek:
To all those who want RS4 back, here is your challenge.
If you REALLY want to bring it back, I will make a deal.
Make donations stating 'I want RS4' and as soon as this reaches Eur 400, I will open a RS4 server, however there will be NO ASSETS and NO ACCOU?NTS. Fro mthe current admin team there will be a RS4 team formed, and while the player count stays above 200 per day (that means in 24 hours, not needing to have 200 players online at the same time) it will remain up.
Now either put up or shut up.
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Whats wrong with the actual RS5 server, i see it very playable.It has a lot of difference with what people saw on beta version, and cause of what they saw beta version who was really bugy and they started to "hate" RS5.
Let's hope they will go in server and give it a second chance and not leave to MTA,IV:MP or V:MP.
I actually gave it a fair chance today, I joined , went searching for RP, found annunaki, we started RPing, two fireman came, carkilled me, I guess I'm just used to mta standards but.. hawt damn. And I don't see the changes you're talking about, all that changed is that I don't have the power to crash the server anymore.
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I actually gave it a fair chance today, I joined , went searching for RP, found annunaki, we started RPing, two fireman came, carkilled me, I guess I'm just used to mta standards but.. hawt damn. And I don't see the changes you're talking about, all that changed is that I don't have the power to crash the server anymore.
I fail to see how getting car killed by rulebreakers acts as a comparison to another place like MTA. The report function is there to stop that, naturally every server will have problems with people who want to ruin roleplays.
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I fail to see how getting car killed by rulebreakers acts as a comparison to another place like MTA. The report function is there to stop that, naturally every server will have problems with people who want to ruin roleplays.
THIS.
Also if there're rulebreakers doesn't mean that RS5 it's a bad script nor anything similar.
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I fail to see how getting car killed by rulebreakers acts as a comparison to another place like MTA. The report function is there to stop that, naturally every server will have problems with people who want to ruin roleplays.
No admins online.
Naaaaah.
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No admins online.
Naaaaah.
Well I guess that's that then, no admins online when you got carkilled, lads, close the RS5 already, there's major problems to discuss before re-opening it.
You played for, what sounds like, 10 minutes, and didn't see any changes since beta, gee, I wonder, you must be the most thorough player there is.
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10 minutes
Well you're overselling me ..
I'd say about 45 seconds, maybe 50.
And why would you shut down RS5, carkilling dming and general rulebreaking isn't the scripts fault, even though it could be made so everything wasn't easily abused, but why would you blame the script when there is a certain group of players who applied to stop that..
And Pingster please, I can't take you seriously after you said
Couldn't care less :jackson:
If you can't have a conversation without turning into a 11 years old who just turned on the internet, I just can't look at you and see someone who will be serious.
So when you tell me that most of the admins live in a single timezone isn't a problem, most of the time even in RS4 the hackers came in at 5AM, why you ask? Well because somehow the managment failed geography.
But yes, that isn't the scripts fault, but it is a problem in RS5.
You told me to give it a fair chance, I did, I got su abused, carkilled, dmed by a comunity leader, than my friend got banned by said comunity leader, unbanned by .. Yes, you're right, RS5 script isn't bad, it must be the people. But yet at it's core it's fun, as strange as that is for me, getting su abused , running to the mountains and getting shot at with a hunter, than because of the faulty script getting unsuspected while the hunter was shooting at us and than the person who was shooting us got opcodes and his hunter flew down the hill, blew up, than when the cop re-logged and we tortured him in the damn desert, before my friend derped and got banned (which wasn't anyone's fault, no need to blame either of them, it was a derp moment on a derp day).. yea .. it still isn't RP, but it's fun.
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And look what we have here, [email protected] for reports if no administrators are online.
Why come saying "got su abused and carkilled" then refuse to report it via the correct means, and I would love to know which "community leader" was behaving like that if it's true.
Don't know about you but the hunter is restricted by script blocks to prevent any unauthorized access.
Any command can be abused if you have an imagination and think about what it can be used for at the end of the day, there's no way to stop that from happening but to police the use of it.
So when you tell me that most of the admins live in a single timezone isn't a problem, most of the time even in RS4 the hackers came in at 5AM, why you ask? Well because somehow the managment failed geography.
Brilliant, we had administrators that covered almost every time-zone back in the day of which most had to leave to deal with more important things than assisting players that behave like stuck up children. :)
Either they were let go or they resigned to deal with real life matters over playing games.
The server does not require administrators on through all hours of the day, they are here to assist the players and not babysit and hold their hands as they play.
People have to start realising that you're on a game to play, not to run to administration every time someone hits your car or harms you.
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People have to start realising that you're on a game to play, not to run to administration every time someone hits your car or harms you.
Great idea, but when I get banned for murdering people because they car rammed me my excuse will be "it's a game, Devin supports me"
actually no, it will be a long story about a potato, alredy have it written down.
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Congrats, your drunk topic lead to 18 pages.
Now isn't that an achievement. When I'm drunk, I cannot even find my laptop. :lol:
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Now I'm not trying to bullshit here or anything, but I was always fond of argonath as a world of it's own, and I see you're loosing that now.
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Now I'm not trying to bullshit here or anything, but I was always fond of argonath as a world of it's own, and I see you're loosing that now.
This is where you are wrong.
We are a world of our own, because we invent new things that no other server has. That is also why people are complaining at this time, as they are used to things that are the same as are on other servers and we have taken a step forward by introducing new things.
It will take a while until they get common and people from another server can drop in and be used at once.
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Well because somehow the managment failed geography.
But yes, that isn't the scripts fault, but it is a problem in RS5.
Just how the hell is management decisions as to who's an admin and who isn't (or admin's decision when to be online or not) related to the scripts?
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Just how the hell is management decisions as to who's an admin and who isn't (or admin's decision when to be online or not) related to the scripts?
Who says I was talking about scripts, but guess what,
Couldn't care less about yout opinion about anything ever. :jackson:
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[..]RS5, [..] problem in RS5 [..] RS5 script
I've no idea what you mean when you say you're not talking about scripts, when it's all you talk about. Are you joining Kirgiz in claiming you're clueless as well?
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Who says I was talking about scripts, but guess what,
Couldn't care less about yout opinion about anything ever. :jackson:
Do you have na admin application running ? If not, why?
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This is where you are wrong.
We are a world of our own, because we invent new things that no other server has. That is also why people are complaining at this time, as they are used to things that are the same as are on other servers and we have taken a step forward by introducing new things.
It will take a while until they get common and people from another server can drop in and be used at once.
What exactly do you have that no other server offers, mind I ask?
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What exactly do you have that no other server offers, mind I ask?
Better question is, what did Argonath have that others didn't and then copied it from Argonath?
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Is anyone forcing you guys to stay?
If you are disgusted by the new script, then leave, not shitting on our hard-working helpers and their work.
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Is anyone forcing you guys to stay?
If you are disgusted by the new script, then leave, not shitting on our hard-working helpers and their work.
With all my respect, but why are you guys "happy" to see people leaving..
Look to the players online atm, 5/100.
I am bored of playing with 7 players, really it isn't fun anymore.
I want an active SAMP Argonath server, and you are just telling people to leave..
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With all my respect, but why are you guys "happy" to see people leaving..
Look to the players online atm, 5/100.
I am bored of playing with 7 players, really it isn't fun anymore.
I want an active SAMP Argonath server, and you are just telling people to leave..
Because players always "come and go".
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With all my respect, but why are you guys "happy" to see people leaving..
Look to the players online atm, 5/100.
I am bored of playing with 7 players, really it isn't fun anymore.
I want an active SAMP Argonath server, and you are just telling people to leave..
No-one is happy to tell people to leave however if you can only criticize and complain about the new scripts then why are you here?
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With all my respect, but why are you guys "happy" to see people leaving..
Look to the players online atm, 5/100.
I am bored of playing with 7 players, really it isn't fun anymore.
I want an active SAMP Argonath server, and you are just telling people to leave..
It seems you are obviously not considering the other factors in the equation (i.e: circumstances behind RS5 launch, MTA:SA, IV:MP, GTA:V, age of GTA:SA, age of players, etc) when complaining about how low the early RS5 player count is (when compared to that of RS4's after its launch).
For once, rather than simply pointing the finger at scripters and shitting them for giving hundreds of hours of their free time (with no compensation) on a gamemode made for you, I would like to see someone make a fair complaint about RS5 that actually actually has substance and backs up their claims with all the underlying / relevant factors, instead of moaning (read: zero-constructive complaining) and justifying their moaning.
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Is anyone forcing you guys to stay?
If you are disgusted by the new script, then leave, not shitting on our hard-working helpers and their work.
Ah, the "Moaning/shitting" card. Why is there something for you to not take the fact that there are a lot of really individual things that people do not like in a script?
As far as I'm concerned, seeing that you haven't been active since at least May of this year, you cannot objectively navigate the situation based on blinking observations of the forum for a couple of moments.
Better question is, what did Argonath have that others didn't and then copied it from Argonath?
Please post example of successful communities (i.e. having at least stable 50+ people on a server every day) that have things which are FLAT OUT copied (or, in other words, really unique) from ArgonathRPG SAMP. Otherwise you are spreading bullshit.
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Ah, the "Moaning/shitting" card. Why is there something for you to not take the fact that there are a lot of really individual things that people do not like in a script?
There are always things that people will not like in a script. Yet after years of complaints from negativists and other people like yourself, the developers seem to have learned to filter out the noise and figure out which changes are worth implementing.
As far as I'm concerned, seeing that you haven't been active since at least May of this year, you cannot objectively navigate the situation based on blinking observations of the forum for a couple of moments.
Assuming Boromir thinks and observes situations the way somebody like you would.
Please post example of successful communities (i.e. having at least stable 50+ people on a server every day) that have things which are FLAT OUT copied (or, in other words, really unique) from ArgonathRPG SAMP. Otherwise you are spreading bullshit.
The passport and the (mechanics of) housing system, for starters, are among the things Argonath pioneered, if I remember correctly. With such examples, it would be better to focus on which things Argonath pioneered rather than enumerating communities that have them (well-played subtle attempt at advertising, by the way) as the latter would entail quite a long list. I'm sure Gandalf would be happy to add to the former's list in yet another post that trumps your attempt to make the developers appear in a bad light.
There are things I do not like in this community too. But no matter how long I take a hiatus, one of the things I can always count on seeing when coming back is you making snide remarks against this community and its administration. You seem to despise Argonath so much, so why are you still here?
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Please post example of successful communities (i.e. having at least stable 50+ people on a server every day) that have things which are FLAT OUT copied (or, in other words, really unique) from ArgonathRPG SAMP. Otherwise you are spreading bullshit.
Flat out copied - no (and without seeing the code of original, would be highly unlikely to do so anyway), but follow Argonath's footsteps, yes. And I'm spreading Gandalf's words, you can judge for yourself whether that's bullshit or not.
As for clarity regarding new ideas, our ideas are usually followed to some extent by other servers. There for bringing out ideas before they are realised is not a good thing.
Actually we have had a Christmas tree since SA:MP 0.2b..... Guess where ANY other server got the original idea from. ;)
Actually other servers got many ideas from us. :D
There for Argonath introduced the second, stable id of a car which makes it possible to have a car owner system. It took a while before other servers figured that one out...
When creating the script, we used something that actually no server has managed to emulate, simply because even our players hardly use it. We have the possibility to use a different interior spawn location in every single interior. If you would like the same interior as someone else, but to "enter" on the top floor instead of near the bottom door, that is possible. As no other server has this, it is rarely documented or used. The downside is that with no fixed point of entry, it is not possible to create a fixed point of exit.
Few examples of bullshit I'm spreading, too little sleep to go in detail, maybe SugarD will provide, I asked him just now :(
Edit: Oh, good, JDC strikes as well. Inb4 Gandalf with a huge list.
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What did we make that others copied?
- Setting houses and other properties in varying places instead of having them fixed
- Passport and driving license
- Cop system
- Entering custom interiors with a delay to stop falling
- fuel system
- when you are ejected from a car by script, the car stops first instead of driving on (implemented in
SA:MP itself)
- cb radio
- owning multiple cars
- business entry fees
- detection of various hacks and warning to admins
- NPC's that interact with players (used only for zombies due to heavy usage of resources)
I can think of more but probably you got the idea here.
the design of RS5 is revolutionair in many ways as it allows for things which are currently limited by SA:MP itself.
- unlimited cars, houses, business
- storing money in wallets that can be passed to others
- storing goods in containers that can be put in cars/trucks
In fact most of the things players find 'comnplicated' are so because they are new.
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What did we make that others copied?
- Setting houses and other properties in varying places instead of having them fixed - nice try, but no
- Passport and driving license lol
- Cop system i don't see vast differences from other services apart from, obviously, other layout messages (how /rank done etc)
- Entering custom interiors with a delay to stop falling another nice try
- fuel system plausible, i don't exactly feel that you're the first who'd done fuel system in SA:MP
- when you are ejected from a car by script, the car stops first instead of driving on (implemented in
SA:MP itself) - its an achievement, i agree, but you willingly spreaded it, open source doesnt count
- cb radio other radio ideas exist on other servers, yours are just expanded so its a no go
- owning multiple cars agree, but its easily done so hardly innovative and outstanding idea
- business entry fees some PEN1 scripts even had it
- detection of various hacks and warning to admins no comment, you might understand why
- NPC's that interact with players (used only for zombies due to heavy usage of resources) no comment
I can think of more but probably you got the idea here.
So yeah.
Flat out copied - no (and without seeing the code of original, would be highly unlikely to do so anyway), but follow Argonath's footsteps, yes.
<large list of things ensue>
In the end of the day, just f**king how can you base the fact that these are taken straight from Argonath? Do you people here seriously thing there wasn't anyone else who had the same idea, just later than you, and it necessarily wasn't taken from Argonath, not even the idea? It's the same as trying to argue that there's only one way of proving Pythagoras' theorem.
There are always things that people will not like in a script. Yet after years of complaints from negativists and other people like yourself,
I will ignore the later part of the post because you clearly have a delusion of who you're talking to, if you have the idea that I'm shitting on RS5. I've yet to say a bad thing about RS5, or the quality of the scripts, actually, but thank you for once more proving that you are only capable of writing paragraphs of absolute nonsense on Advanced English levels.
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- storing money in wallets that can be passed to others
Specially for this point; I really appreciate the effort, and I'm sure many others do, but really this idea is superfluous.
Last time we got a 2k payday it took me half an hour to withdraw it from my bank, even with help from others in the help chat. I suggest making the script easier to understand by either making it less complicated with an easy to understand description (instead of /cash, /banks, /wallets, /...; just have 1 command to summarize all) or, a (probably) less prefered idea by scripters; bringing the old /wire and /send back. Please think about it.
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I'm requesting this topic to be closed, its doing my head in.
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Last time we got a 2k payday it took me half an hour to withdraw it from my bank, even with help from others in the help chat.
:uhm:
Don't think it took you half an hour to figure it out, understanding it is about as simple as locking your front door.
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:uhm:
Don't think it took you half an hour to figure it out, understanding it is about as simple as locking your front door.
It took me 3 weeks to learn how to tie shoe laces :(
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:uhm:
Don't think it took you half an hour to figure it out, understanding it is about as simple as locking your front door.
Figure of speech, but I guess you understand what I mean.
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It took me 3 weeks to learn how to tie shoe laces :(
:hah:
Figure of speech, but I guess you understand what I mean.
I understand.
Once you spend a bit playing around with the commands for money, you'll come to know how it fits together. For me it's ever so simple to work.
You can't learn something new if you don't give it a try.
Have a read of the RS5 Guide I posted for banking, helpful insight to get you started.
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Yet after years of complaints from negativists
Look, just because some people don't pretend that everything is always fine, doesn't mean they're a negativist.
Assuming Boromir thinks and observes situations the way somebody like you would.
What, intelligently and objectively?
I would hope so actually, yes.
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I will ignore the later part of the post because you clearly have a delusion of who you're talking to, if you have the idea that I'm shitting on RS5. I've yet to say a bad thing about RS5, or the quality of the scripts, actually, but thank you for once more proving that you are only capable of writing paragraphs of absolute nonsense on Advanced English levels.
Typical of those who cannot counter arguments with actual substance to resort to wild conjecture and logical fallacies (read: strawman and tu quoque). If you actually had enough experience such as running a game server and being around during the years that saw the formation of the game features you label as not having originated from Argonath, perhaps a new audience would take your message more seriously aside from those who were born yesterday.
Seeing as you cannot back up your words without more hate and making people look bad, I am not surprised at all you dodged certain matters that you cannot address without damaging your credibility, such as the one below:
There are things I do not like in this community too. But no matter how long I take a hiatus, one of the things I can always count on seeing when coming back is you making snide remarks against this community and its administration. You seem to despise Argonath so much, so why are you still here?
Look, just because some people don't pretend that everything is always fine, doesn't mean they're a negativist.
I would be one of those who are very familiar with questioning status quo (just not in the same way as those who have frequent run-ins with the administration) and "not pretending that everything is fine", a trait which even led me to clash with certain admins (during my time in the team) and even with FBI officials of other departments as an FBI Director. While I do like RS5, I would also be among one of the first to point out that certain aspects of the game are currently in crucial need of improvement.
However, when the majority that comes out of your mouth is something that attempts to portray the community and/or administration in a bad light instead of actually trying to contribute to improvement, that certainly puts it on another level, does it not?
What, intelligently and objectively?
I would hope so actually, yes.
If by "intelligently and objectively", you mean simply answering arguments from Gandalf (backed by dev experience) with nothing but bullsh- more questioning / pointing of fingers rather than providing suitable counter-arguments and/or evidence (the latter of which I would happily accept, by all means) that the game features did NOT originate from Argonath, I would hate to think that Boromir analyzes things in that matter.
A similar analogy I would like to use as a comparison would be what happens when you try to introduce reasonable and scientific facts (in this case, Gandalf's arguments verified by years of experience as a community owner and developer) to a closed-minded religious creationist (negativist) whose credibility and reliability goes no further than using the Bible as proof.
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So yeah.
<large list of things ensue>
In the end of the day, just f**king how can you base the fact that these are taken straight from Argonath? Do you people here seriously thing there wasn't anyone else who had the same idea, just later than you, and it necessarily wasn't taken from Argonath, not even the idea? It's the same as trying to argue that there's only one way of proving Pythagoras' theorem.
Simple. People on SA:MP forums asked for a system 'like Argonath'.
As for your comments, I am stating the truth. Now your memory may tell you different, but if you can research the old situations you will see that my statements are exactly true.
as for 'some PEN1 script had it' the reason they had is is because they took it from our RS1.
Remeber that any script created after 20-02-2007 could be influenced by RS2, any script after 17-10-2007 by RS3.
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Remeber that any script created after 20-02-2007 could be influenced by RS2, any script after 17-10-2007 by RS3.
Just as anything you could've done will be simply taken off other servers. You try to give yourselves too much credit when you're just as unique as any other server.
Typical of those who cannot counter arguments
Still missing my point totally... Unless you stop acting like a bolshevik, discussing something with you is pointless.
To reflect once more, refer to this part of the post.
I will ignore the later part of the post because you clearly have a delusion of who you're talking to, if you have the idea that I'm shitting on RS5. I've yet to say a bad thing about RS5,
Seeing as you cannot back up your words without more hate and making people look bad, I am not surprised at all you dodged certain matters that you cannot address without damaging your credibility, such as the one below:
See, you can't even grasp the fact I ignored that part of the post for a reason. Which you deny to admit - I never hated RS5. So either suck it up or find yourself another "ENEMY OF THE STATE".
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See, you can't even grasp the fact I ignored that part of the post for a reason. Which you deny to admit - I never hated RS5. So either suck it up or find yourself another "ENEMY OF THE STATE".
Unless you were born yesterday and consider RS5 to be equal to all of Argonath, you will know that I am not talking (specifically) about RS5.
You seem to despise Argonath so much, so why are you still here?
Although if you are too inept, incapable, or incompetent of answering such a simple question and will (predictably) choose to resort to more insults and empty rhethoric in your next post, it's not my credibility that will be damaged or unproven. After all, I'm not the one trying to make this community look like shit.
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Just as anything you could've done will be simply taken off other servers. You try to give yourselves too much credit when you're just as unique as any other server.
I wrote the script, so I know what I took from others and what I constructed myself.
Any further attempts to discredit me will result in a permanent ban.
As for not being unique: indeed, as we did not bring truly new ideas for about 4 years other have caught up. Which is why we constructed RS5, to be at the head of the field again. Funny how you try to discredit past achievements yet can not deny that our new ideas are indeed new.
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Ah, the "Moaning/shitting" card. Why is there something for you to not take the fact that there are a lot of really individual things that people do not like in a script?
As far as I'm concerned, seeing that you haven't been active since at least May of this year, you cannot objectively navigate the situation based on blinking observations of the forum for a couple of moments.
As if you have done anything for this community.
Stating your opinions about the scripts and shitting on the developers themselves + scripts are completely different. Like I said, if you do not like us, leave. It's better to not have people like you for the community.
With all my respect, but why are you guys "happy" to see people leaving..
Look to the players online atm, 5/100.
I am bored of playing with 7 players, really it isn't fun anymore.
I want an active SAMP Argonath server, and you are just telling people to leave..
What makes you think we are "happy" to see people leaving?
We cannot force you guys to stay/leave. It's your own choice. All we do is to try our best to keep the community running.
Besides, we are not the only ones who are running the community. You are too. If you really care for the community, then do not shit on it. Try to discuss for the better.
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We cannot force you guys to leave. It's your own choice.
You actually can force us to leave :P
Besides, we are not the only ones who are running the community. You are too. If you really care for the community, then do not shit on it.
This it's very very true!!!
Try to discuss for the better.
Hmm... It's slightly useless to discuss for changes, at least for 6 months:
We will first work on the current roadmap to ensure that all planned features of RS5 will be implemented. Once that is done, we will look at the discussions in ARUN regarding proposed changes that are widely supported.
This will take about 6 months at least. If by that time there is still strong opposition we will consider changing the system.
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You've misunderstood what it means Ale, it means that in 6 months all the discussions will be looked at to discuss changes, from ARUN boards anyway. Which we don't have.
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I wrote the script
Alone.
so I know what I took from others and what I constructed myself.
So your ideas are taken solely from your head, and therefore are unique to your type of thinking. Noone ever could've thought of the same independant of you. Is that what you're implying? Because that's what I'm trying to clarify from you.
Funny how you try to discredit past achievements yet can not deny that our new ideas are indeed new.
Do you actually understand what you have just wrote, or you just wanted to pull something at me just to showcase me as "the bad guy"? And since you bring up this topic, I've yet to say that ideas implemented by your new scripts are not new at all. However, lets remember that new =! good, which some parts of your innovations indeed show a regression of quality of service. To take straight off the top of my head, jurisdictions. You know the rest.
As if you have done anything for this community.
Stating your opinions about the scripts and shitting on the developers themselves + scripts are completely different.
Please provide evidence of me shitting on developers AND scripts. Because right now you're the one who's shitting on me, no matter how you want me to see it.
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imo I don't mind RS5 is out. Only thing that is bothering me is that RS5 is full of uncomplete features. It shouldn't be out yet.
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1. What makes you think we are "happy" to see people leaving?
We cannot force you guys to stay/leave. It's your own choice. All we do is to try our best to keep the community running.
2. Besides, we are not the only ones who are running the community. You are too. If you really care for the community, then do not shit on it. Try to discuss for the better.
1." If you are disgusted by the new script, then leave"
You are not even trying to let them stay in Argonath, you are just telling them to leave.
Let's use your words: "Try to discuss for the better."
2. I am not shitting on it, i even make video's for everyone to promote Argonath and to show them it is nice in here.
I'm just telling you that 80% of the people are leaving and 20% are coming, and let's hope they stay.
if you want the old people back, then you have to listen to the community or else they stay away.
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Kirgiz, do explain how, after having already experienced something, can you come up with the same thing independent of having experienced it?
In a limited world that is San Andreas, are you seriously trying to tell me that someone, having never heard or played on Argonath (or got the idea from someone who's played here), made a housing system that works exactly like Argonath's? There are HUNDREDS of ways you could create the housing system, but they came up with exactly the same thing? Shit, I can come up with 5 right now that work differently from Argonath's one. And that's just one example.
Come on, you're lying to yourself, get a reality check, people don't just come up with the same shit.
You are not even trying to let them stay in Argonath, you are just telling them to leave.
Lol, no, they're told to stop moaning about it, if they want, they can discuss things, present better alternatives and so on, not moan about them. If all they're going to do is moan, sure, bye ser.
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Kirgiz, do explain how, after having already experienced something, can you come up with the same thing independent of having experienced it?
Do not waste your time arguing with haters who cannot even answer simple questions. :lol:
imo I don't mind RS5 is out. Only thing that is bothering me is that RS5 is full of uncomplete features. It shouldn't be out yet.
Given the circumstances behind the release (4 months loss of data is no joke), I wouldn't mind watching when new and improved features are added as I play. Given the stability and technological advancement of the script, the biggest complaint I could field so far would be limiting even the simplest tasks in some fields to dialog boxes and the fact you can't type while refueling, but that's about it. It's a matter of perception.
1." If you are disgusted by the new script, then leave"
You are not even trying to let them stay in Argonath, you are just telling them to leave.
If you read beyond the surface on Boromir's words and took into consideration the way the thread was going, then you will see that he is not merely saying "if there is something you do not like here, then gtfo", unless you were born yesterday.
It's one thing to dislike part of the game and propose an alternative / improvement through constructive and meaningful discussion. It's another to simply complain and spread negativity while not contributing anything at all to progress.
Between those two, I'm sure any reasonable and open-minded person could see which the developers want out of this community.
(for those with less brain cells, here's your hint: the latter)
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imo I don't mind RS5 is out. Only thing that is bothering me is that RS5 is full of uncomplete features. It shouldn't be out yet.
You clearly have no idea as to why it was released early.
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Is this topic going to span 35 pages of useless crap too?
I guess you were right.
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You clearly have no idea as to why it was released early.
Doesn't change the fact that it shouldn't be out yet :P But there's no alternative, that's the problem.
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If we didn't release RS5, you would be all moaning because there would be no server at all.
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imo I don't mind RS5 is out. Only thing that is bothering me is that RS5 is full of uncomplete features. It shouldn't be out yet.
Doesn't change the fact that it shouldn't be out yet :P But there's no alternative, that's the problem.
For those that tend to forget.
Some times life is complicated. But when you get lemons, make lemonade.
Due to unforseen circumstances we are experiencing downtime, as thsoe of who who actually attempt to go in game might have noticed.
For those who only frequent the forum: we are experiencing some downtime. :D
Now for what caused it and why all scripters and server leaders are running around is something that we will not tire you with. Just be assured that anyone who claims it as a hack or attack is lying though their teeth and should not be taken seriously on any word they say, present past or future.
The downtime has had an effect that we have had time to sit together and discuss the current situation on SA:MP. And the result is that rather than keep players suspended in between not knowing what to do in RS4 as anything acquired will be lost and being unsure about RS5 we will do what we planned before the beta release.
When we bring SA:MP up, it will be on a RS5 server. It will be a sunrise period, meaning that you can expect some bugs and frequently needed updates. However that shows the active work of the scirpting team that has been mostly hidden this year.
The sunrise period means you have time to learn how to use and abuse the script, and the HQ will watch you like a hawk. The abuses that need to be closed will be.
As for our other servers, business will resume, however there may be minor side effects of the downtime that we hope will be removed in short time.
Watch this board for information about the progress.
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I'm not arguing why it was released, I'm just saying, it shouldn't be under normal circumstances, and it wouldn't be either! :p
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I guess you were right.
Just 13 pages to go. Should take like... 6 hours when everyone's awake.
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I'm not arguing why it was released, I'm just saying, it shouldn't be under normal circumstances, and it wouldn't be either! :p
Unfortunately, these are not normal circumstances. Anyone who has experience with scripting / programming work can see that for such a large amount of data lost, the team is taking this rather quite well.
Seeing as the most important questions have been answered, what is there left to complain about RS5 now (that has not been mentioned already)?
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Thank you Cyril.
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Kirgiz, do explain how, after having already experienced something, can you come up with the same thing independent of having experienced it?
In a limited world that is San Andreas, are you seriously trying to tell me that someone, having never heard or played on Argonath (or got the idea from someone who's played here), made a housing system that works exactly like Argonath's? There are HUNDREDS of ways you could create the housing system, but they came up with exactly the same thing? Shit, I can come up with 5 right now that work differently from Argonath's one. And that's just one example.
I've yet to see any other successful communities which have exact same script such as ArgonathRPG. You can begin exactly with housing.
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Removed.
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Alone.
Anything before RS4 was indeed done alone.
As for RS4, I split the scripts and then others worked on debugging and adding things.
So your ideas are taken solely from your head, and therefore are unique to your type of thinking. Noone ever could've thought of the same independant of you. Is that what you're implying? Because that's what I'm trying to clarify from you.
The things which I mentioned were designed by me. Most of them were requested on SA:MP boards after we opened, and as we do not release our scripts over time others made similar things. Some made it worse, some might actually have made it better.
Do you actually understand what you have just wrote, or you just wanted to pull something at me just to showcase me as "the bad guy"? And since you bring up this topic, I've yet to say that ideas implemented by your new scripts are not new at all. However, lets remember that new =! good, which some parts of your innovations indeed show a regression of quality of service. To take straight off the top of my head, jurisdictions. You know the rest.
Jurisdictions are not a new idea, they have been asked for in the ideas topic for years.
Please provide evidence of me shitting on developers AND scripts. Because right now you're the one who's shitting on me, no matter how you want me to see it.
Read back your posts.
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Man, you started working for RS5 since years now and what have you done? There are bugs left in the server, scripts that are not completed yet. I don't mind, you are humans like all of us but man, you worked -YEARS- for this RS5 and the only thing you can notice is that lot of players left Argonath.
Really now, but look how many players are daily and how many used to be. I don't think you didn't notice that yet. Though I didn't play here for years like others did, I can clearly see that this RS5 just made players stop playing here.
I also know some of you will quote this reply saying you didn't even play that long or something like that, but it doesn't matter. You don't have to play here that much to notice that quite a lot of players left because of this RS5.
So what? We run Argonath for the people that stay and play here, not for those that leave.
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Let's just hope RS5 will be complete soon. I love the idea, but it's not finished yet :/
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So what? We run Argonath for the people that stay and play here, not for those that leave.
I apology at what I said earlier, I just felt I don't have that fun I had on RS4. However, home is still home, no matter what.
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Just as much as the fact that I am right. I aimed those remarks at certain players who have little apparent intentions other than making developers and this community look bad (in a manner consistent with those who have serious comprehension problems), but if you aim to identify yourself with them, then feel free to wear the shoe by all means. The moon will continue to shine no matter how much the dogs bark at it.
Throwing insults around does not push the debate forwards. I do not have to lack brain cells to feel annoyed by the fact that you think others have any less than you do. You're just another one of them only you think they're inferior. Get real.
I used to think you were the one with refinement and a modicum of civility, but alas; I was extremely wrong.
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It's gonna stick this way people, get over it. No moaning will make the time go backwards. This sort of topics make as much difference as honking in a traffic jam - it won't resolve anything.
Everyone has their opinion about RS5 and SAMP, so there's three options (in my point of view):
1) You play on the server because you like the server and it's features.
2) You play on this server, not because of the features, but because of the people and because of the community.
3) You don't play and you stop nagging everyone because "you lost your house in Richman".
The current reset doesn't even benefit me nor my group, so don't even try to say I'm telling all of this because I'll have my assets set again. It's just my opinion that it's useless to moan about things that won't change. We might aswell accept this as a change and not as a destruction of the server.
Cheers!
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You may do, but without that ammount of players left the fun on server decreased.
I bet you my left testicle that 80% of the players are thinking the same as you. I will not say that I don't do the same, I actually do, but in a degree. If you want Argonath as "fun" as it "was", then start by yourself. Start going into the server and increasing the player amount. Only you may not make a difference, but imagine 4-10 thinking the same right now and start doing Argonath "funnier". You'll see the player amount increases, let's say 40-50, now you'll see the regular guys coming back thinking "WOAH! Must be something cool then!". The more efforts you put to make Argonath a place you really want to be in, the more of a place it becomes you guys want to be in.
You guys say that you want it a place where you enjoy it, but yet you don't even work for it! I'm inactive, yet I try to be online just to at least contribute to make this the place you want, even for 30 minutes!
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Please provide evidence of me shitting on developers AND scripts. Because right now you're the one who's shitting on me, no matter how you want me to see it.
This guy apparently cannot even read.
Or maybe he got blinded by his own conscience.
Try to learn to read other people's posts carefully before commenting on them.
Obviously you are the one who cannot "navigate the situation" correctly.
Your posts indicate that you are one of those who think "I know everything better than others" when in fact you know nothing.
1." If you are disgusted by the new script, then leave"
You are not even trying to let them stay in Argonath, you are just telling them to leave.
Let's use your words: "Try to discuss for the better."
2. I am not shitting on it, i even make video's for everyone to promote Argonath and to show them it is nice in here.
I'm just telling you that 80% of the people are leaving and 20% are coming, and let's hope they stay.
if you want the old people back, then you have to listen to the community or else they stay away.
Why the f**k would we bother to try to keep shitters here? They do more harms than benefits. They should be glad we are not banning them already. Besides, most of the shitters are not really "Argonathians".
Did I specifically mention your name when I said shitters should gtfo?
Man, you started working for RS5 since years now and what have you done? There are bugs left in the server, scripts that are not completed yet. I don't mind, you are humans like all of us but man, you worked -YEARS- for this RS5 and the only thing you can notice is that lot of players left Argonath.
Really now, but look how many players are daily and how many used to be. I don't think you didn't notice that yet. Though I didn't play here for years like others did, I can clearly see that this RS5 just made players stop playing here.
I also know some of you will quote this reply saying you didn't even play that long or something like that, but it doesn't matter. You don't have to play here that much to notice that quite a lot of players left because of this RS5.
Another guy who doesnt even know what's going on.
RS5 is not even complete. We already said it still needs to be tested + completed when it was released. What have we done? Our helpers spent hundreds of hours. Let me ask back to you. What have you done?
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So you still fail to indicate posts where I shit on either scripts, developers or the server in general. If you don't want to have a proper discussion drop from posting unnecessary bullshit in the future, please.
As for this topic, considering the amount of hating on me, I'm done. If anyone else wants to continue any of the upbrought points with me, refer to private messages.
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So you still fail to indicate posts where I shit on either scripts, developers or the server in general. If you don't want to have a proper discussion drop from posting unnecessary bullshit in the future, please.
As for this topic, considering the amount of hating on me, I'm done. If anyone else wants to continue any of the upbrought points with me, refer to private messages.
So, it is true that a hypocrite doesnt know why he's a hypocrite.
You apparently do not know why I said you are blind. I already answered to your question by saying so.
Lol. "unnecessary bullshit". I think you are the one who posted most of them here.
There's a reason when many people "hate" you. But, the thing is, people like you do not understand their faults.
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Throwing insults around does not push the debate forwards. I do not have to lack brain cells to feel annoyed by the fact that you think others have any less than you do. You're just another one of them only you think they're inferior. Get real.
I used to think you were the one with refinement and a modicum of civility, but alas; I was extremely wrong.
I am an Argonathian and a human player with feelings, and I know to return respect for respect. I do not know about you, but if someone decides to be an asshole and throw shit all over my beloved community ("my" in the sense that I am one of the many players who dedicate to this community instead of wanting to destroy it), do not expect me to be nice to them. If you choose to associate yourself with those people (something I hope you know better than to do) and be offended as a result, then I am afraid that is no longer my problem.
You may do, but without that ammount of players left the fun on server decreased.
IMO, a server with 100 players who are here because they love this community and want to build it is better than a server of 1000 players who are only in it for a virtual house and money.
So you still fail to indicate posts where I shit on either scripts, developers or the server in general. If you don't want to have a proper discussion drop from posting unnecessary bullshit in the future, please.
They pointed it out to you. Apparently you are the one with comprehension problems as you cannot even read your posts with an open mind and instead resort to accusing Gandalf and Boromir of posting "unnecessary bullshit", as you put it.
As for this topic, considering the amount of hating on me, I'm done. If anyone else wants to continue any of the upbrought points with me, refer to private messages.
I will go straight to the point and say that this "hating" on you is not because you are being bullied or persecuted, but because you are an asshole to this community and the people who spend their time keeping it alive.
If you expect everyone here to be nice to you while you keep trying to make something they love appear in a very poor light, then sorry, but that is not how things work in the real world.
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You may do, but without that ammount of players left the fun on server decreased.
Perhaps stop nagging and driving people away by your negativity would help.
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You may do, but without that ammount of players left the fun on server decreased.
I question the amount of time you have actually been around for.
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I am an Argonathian and a human player with feelings, and I know to return respect for respect. I do not know about you, but if someone decides to be an asshole and throw shit all over my beloved community ("my" in the sense that I am one of the many players who dedicate to this community instead of wanting to destroy it), do not expect me to be nice to them. If you choose to associate yourself with those people (something I hope you know better than to do) and be offended as a result, then I am afraid that is no longer my problem.
By all means I do not think you're the only one who is mistaken. Their actions aren't all that better. But should there be an infraction of common sense and decency, one's reply should not be the same.
"Lead by example."
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How much left to donate and where to go to donate
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How much left to donate and where to go to donate
approx 400$ left.
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How much left to donate and where to go to donate
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?action=treasury
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PROTESTS FOR RS4 TO COME BACK:
:war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war:
GANDALF ARIVING WITH HIS BODYGUARDS
:neutral: :neutral: :neutral: :neutral: :neutral: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :gand: :cop: :cop: :cop: :neutral: :neutral: :neutral: :neutral: :neutral: :neutral:
SWAT ATTACKING PROTESTERS:
:war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: WITH THE HELP OF SAPD AND FBI: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop:,FBI: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy:
AND THE FINAL BATTLE: THE CIVILIANS ATTACK THE POLICE
:) :) :) :war: :war: :war: :war: :bananav: :bananav: :bananav: :) :) :) :bananav: :bananav: :bananav: :war: :war: :war: :war: :strong: :strong: :strong:
BUT POLICE WAS TOO COOL AND HAD ALOT OF WEAPONS SO THEY WON,AND NOW RS5 WILL NEVER COME BACK
Protest finished
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PROTESTS FOR RS5 TO COME BACK:
:war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war:
GANDALF ARIVING WITH HIS BODYGUARDS
:neutral: :neutral: :neutral: :neutral: :neutral: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :gand: :cop: :cop: :cop: :neutral: :neutral: :neutral: :neutral: :neutral: :neutral:
SWAT ATTACKING PROTESTERS:
:war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: :war: WITH THE HELP OF SAPD AND FBI: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop:,FBI: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tJGk4ofc18
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RS5 not coming back? Omg are we on RS6 already?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tJGk4ofc18
Haha, lol'd