Ups, posted in the wrong section.:lol:
What if me and my friends are talking about server where we're already playing, are we allowed to do that?
Talking amongst yourselves not a problem as your not advertising your all already there.
I really can't imagine how stupid can people be.
Not advised, Petar.
Someone was once telling me where an (in)famous member of the community had migrated to, through PM. As soon as he named the server he was at - and I mean RIGHT as he named it, five seconds after - banned, instantly. No thought, no hesitation, no notice - just banned. He simply mentioned another server's name.
Naming another server is a capital crime and deserves to be punished to the fullest extent, right guys!?
If your telling someone to join another through a pm up u can still end up banned.
Someone was once telling me where an (in)famous member of the community had migrated toSir, you have to read.
Any IP for any SA:MP RPG server wich is on?What?
Any IP for any SA:MP RPG server wich is on?samp.argonathrpg.com:7777
Sir, you have to read.I love this guy.
I think the 'server advertising' taboo should be over. People mention a server in a conversation with their friends which probably already know about it, that's not what I call advertising. Advertising is when you invite people to join the other server.
Sir, you have to read.
I think the 'server advertising' taboo should be over. People mention a server in a conversation with their friends which probably already know about it, that's not what I call advertising. Advertising is when you invite people to join the other server.
I love this guy.Runs in the blood, Leon.
I do not understand how someone telling me where a member of our community migrated to can be considered advertising. We were discussing the guy and the silly shit he did, and he offered to tell me his whereabouts, and I said why not? Then banned. That wasn't even close to advertising, he was just telling me where he was... not like I was going to leave Argonath forever to go there JUST for that guy, even though I hate his guts. I felt really bad because I was the one who wanted to f**king know where he went, and then he got denied permanently. It's funny, too, because the one who banned him was WAITING for him to slip up after he offered to tell where he went... feels like I'm being controlled by nazis.
There are differences between advertising and not advertising when discussing another server. For the below examples, I will use an entirely made up IP and server name called PotatoHeadRP. So please do not ban me.
In my opinion...
What may be justly considered advertising:
-"JOIN PotatoHeadRP 111.121.131.1:7777" (not subtle at all, intention clear)
-"Bro, come play with me at PotatoHeadRP."
-"Argonath sucks, PotatoHeadRP is so much better."
-"111.121.131.1:7777"
-"PotatoHeadRP" (just said for no reason without any context)
-"I'm going to go play on PotatoHeadRP." (this isn't a direct and knowing intention to have other players join the server, but it may unintentionally incite others to join, maybe? idk kinda grey area there)
What is simply unfair and absurd to call advertising and punish for it:
-"BillyBob plays on PotatoHeadRP sometimes."
-"I came from PotatoHeadRP"
-"PotatoHeadRP kinda sucks."
-"BillyBob played here for a while, but he left and plays on PotatoHeadRP now."
You don't know if they were waiting for a slip up unless they say they were and that should not have been the case anyway.By waiting for a slip-up, I mean that the admin was probably anticipating that the player was going to mention a server name and was getting ready. I am not exaggerating when I say that the player was banned in under 5 seconds after naming the server... it was pretty funny but sad at the same time :(
Even those you listed as absurd I'd could call advertising to an extent lets say under the radar subtle haha. It's just the way I read into scenarios I read differently to others and have always done differently as you know. Would I punish for those? Nope. The third one you'd get a slap on the wrist for as insulting is insulting for me.Yeah, I gotchu dawg. A lot of people do indeed try to take advantage of circumstances and try to cover their intentions in a cowardly way. I completely understand that, and that is where deciding becomes difficult, because judging someone else's intentions with 100% certainty without reading their mind is humanly impossible!
Hope you understand where I come from now.
By waiting for a slip-up, I mean that the admin was probably anticipating that the player was going to mention a server name and was getting ready. I am not exaggerating when I say that the player was banned in under 5 seconds after naming the server... it was pretty funny but sad at the same time :(
He offered in public chat to tell me where he went, where I accepted his offer. And that is when the conversation in PM took place. There is no way that the admin would have banned him if he did not anticipate the name of a server coming and began to read PMs. Strange that the admin called it "advertising" too, when it was to just me, and I wasn't even going to go anywhere... so eager to get rid of the player. We all knew who it was that the player was talking about, and a lot of people are pretty curious about where he went, so I doubt his intentions were to advertise, especially considering the fact that he is (was) a long-time player. Oh yeah, I should mention that the player was also permanently denied.
Yeah, I gotchu dawg. A lot of people do indeed try to take advantage of circumstances and try to cover their intentions in a cowardly way. I completely understand that, and that is where deciding becomes difficult, because judging someone else's intentions with 100% certainty without reading their mind is humanly impossible!
Sir, you have to read.If we would allow players to do it, it would bite us in the ass in the long run and cause even more problems.
I think the 'server advertising' taboo should be over. People mention a server in a conversation with their friends which probably already know about it, that's not what I call advertising. Advertising is when you invite people to join the other server.
Why discuss other servers in any argonath channel at all?Hey, this guy is from [insert server name here]! instaban
Hey, this guy is from [insert server name here]! instaban
Why would you mention what server he used to play in at all? He's playing here now.Because me and my friend know him from that server maybe?
Why try your luck when you know mentioning other server's names is not allowed?Not really.
Hyuga we know you wanna be admin just don't be b!tch.
Hyuga we know you wanna be admin just don't be b!tch.
Hyuga we know you wanna be admin just don't be b!tch.
If we would allow players to do it, it would bite us in the ass in the long run and cause even more problems.
Let me make something clear here before there is rumours starting spreading about all this.
We have nothing against players playing on other servers. We have nothing against other servers (unless a server is used for malicious reasons). You can see it as a competition and we in fact respect other servers for what they have been able to achieve. We do not think we're the best and flawless since there is always room to improve on several areas and we're always working on improving ourself.
But what we have against is players using any Argonath related service to try to gain players for their own server. In example, sending a PM to the players and say 'Come on <ip> and get admin rights and 1 million dollar!'. Argonath has worked hard on it's way up to success without using other servers to advertise on. After all the hard work put into the server and all the hard work that is currently put into the server, we do not tolerate players trying to use it against us to get players on a server that will close down within a week or 2 again.
EDIT: I also find it ridicilous that mentioning a server name leads to a permanent ban in a PM of all places. That's way to quick to write someone off.
EDIT: I also find it ridicilous that mentioning a server name leads to a permanent ban in a PM of all places. That's way to quick to write someone off.Well, the user was permanently denied due to a variety of past offenses and the content of his "unban request," if my memory serves me well. But even so, indeed, it was way too quick to write them off...
What do you mean by "in a PM of all places"? The mode of chat doesn't matter the intention does.I believe what he means by that is since it was through PM and not on public chat, the server wasn't necessarily "advertised" - in the same way that PMing someone "BillyBob1 is a scammer" would be referred to as simple shit-talking, while going around saying it on the forums and on the public chat would be a blatant attempt at ruining the player's reputation.
Just to give my point of view on how 'advertisment' has been dealt with for as long as I can remember argonath (hello 2008)
Any bad mouthing towards other servers isn't allowed. As isn't praising them for obvious reasons.
Thus mentioning a server's name can and in 99% of the cases is seen as a rulebreak since it automatically gives other players a place to check (in other words, you just advertised the server to someone)
Short version; mentioning a name of the server is (in 99.99% of the cases) a rulebreak and admins will deal with it.
What chatmode you're using doesn't matter one bit, if you want to talk about servers not related to Argonath you do it elsewhere, in a non-Argonath related chatting place.
If you for some strange reason have to talk to them about this other server/community do it outside of the Argonath domains.One guy got banned for advertising his server to Argonath players via Facebook or Skype.
One guy got banned for advertising his server to Argonath players via Facebook or Skype.
Can you tell us his name ?Why should he? can't you understand that some things are meant to be private?
Why should he? can't you understand that some things are meant to be private?>Private
Why should he? can't you understand that some things are meant to be private?
Can you tell us his name ?
The name is irrelevant, if the person made use of Argonath networks in any way to distribute the information of another server they will be punished.
Whether or not this "player" was banned for advertising over other networks is history. It's pointless to dig it up.
One guy got banned for advertising his server to Argonath players via Facebook or Skype.
It all depends from case to case. We are not disallowing friends to not talk about specific servers. We are not that stupid.Isn't that the "you're no longer welcomed in Argonath"? I also doubt it will not result in a ban, according to past bans.
Case 1:
"Man, come and check out this cool server i found, it's called <name> and the IP is <name>".
You wouldn't get banned for that. We can't control what you and your friends are talking about or doing.
Private ? I'm not asking him his GF name :lol:How private is that?
When this topic was first made, it should have been made locked.Agree.
Can you tell us his name ?No, since I don't remember it, but I can tell you that he and you(?) advertised your funny server.
No, since I don't remember it, but I can tell you that he and you(?) advertised your funny server.
How about implementing a system where you can't introduce an IP address in any chat?#1 It's easy to bypass.
I never advertised any server have you saw a dream ?Argonath, a world of it's own.
Now, being on the topic more or less, regarding advertising other Argonath servers on.. any other Argonath server: Is it allowed or prohibited?
Some admins warn/punish for that, some admins not. My question is, could we advertise other Argonath servers on other Argonath servers?
Example:
<Advertisement on the RS5 server>
''/ad [r]Argonath Stunt | [.b]Grand Cops vs. Robbers Event | [y]Starting soon!'''
Add the friend on a Social Web and tell him/her the informations about the other server.Doing something that may be bannable if done on Argonath over Facebook or Skype or whatever does not guarantee immunity. This is not exclusive to simply advertising a server.
This topic should be lock since it's not YOUR PERSONAL OPINION but a rule that should be abided.So what you are saying is, we should not be allowed to discuss rules and ask questions about them in order to further understand them?
Really there have been punishments for this? Your advertising an Argonath server within another Argonath server... your helping promote(get noticed) the other servers within the bounds of the community. I used to regularly see advertisements for the SA-MP stunt server here and did I punish? Nope and nor did anyone else(then).
I've seen people punished, but thats for not stating which Argo Server it is.
Well I guess if it's stated anywhere in the chat like this:
Player : 178.63.52.144
Then I can see why but not to the extent of an actual punishment... instead a message to them to next time state it's an Argonath server. Though I have always said as an admin in one of the servers you should be somewhat familiar with our IP's.
Really there have been punishments for this? Your advertising an Argonath server within another Argonath server... your helping promote(get noticed) the other servers within the bounds of the community. I used to regularly see advertisements for the SA-MP stunt server here and did I punish? Nope and nor did anyone else(then).Yes. I once promoted Argonath MTA on the rs4 server and got warned not to. And yes, I had clearly stated it was Argonath MTA.
Argonath's sovereignty should be protected.^^.
We leave the topic unlocked because unlike other communities we do not disallow people to challenge our ideas and discuss.
Yes. I once promoted Argonath MTA on the rs4 server and got warned not to. And yes, I had clearly stated it was Argonath MTA.
Quite wrong I say.Why is it wrong? samp is now one of the popular kids (7 players strong daily) it doesn't want to split it's members to other servers within the comunity..
Why is it wrong? samp is now one of the popular kids (7 players strong daily) it doesn't want to split it's members to other servers within the comunity..
If you decide to run around blatantly disrespecting one servers team by going and saying "Come to this server its better" then of course you will be punished no matter who you are.
Please answer, yes or no.
Bringing up a name of another server, for example, during a discussion, is advertisement?
Example
Player1 (X): I, for instance, cannot really understand why people play on BengonathRPG than on ArgonathRPG? I mean, just look at their scripts
Player1 (X): They have that funny script on BengonathRPG where you type /shit and it launches you into the air and blow up!
Looks like some people needs a reminder about this.It's shocking isn't it, They should stay banned in my view, i don't agree with this at-all!
2 player has been permanently banned today for advertising other wannabe 'RS4' servers which is bound to fail soon.
It's shocking isn't it, They should stay banned in my view, i don't agree with this at-all!
Keep up the good work Zaila!
We will stop people advertising on facebook!!!!!
You are on a thin line yourself.
You are on a thin line yourself.
Since when PMing people in facebook to show them about a server get you banned in argonath?
Still waiting for a response
Since always.
And it's not only showing a new server. You are using your connections and friends gained in Argonath to invite Argonath players to another server, which - according to you - looks like RS4. This is even more pathetic and silly.
Oh and btw. I was the staff man who you tried to invite :P
Since always.
And it's not only showing a new server. You are using your connections and friends gained in Argonath to invite Argonath players to another server, which - according to you - looks like RS4. This is even more pathetic and silly.
Oh and btw. I was the staff man who you tried to invite :P
Man, Bruce can advertise other servers on HIS private facebook account... He haven't used any Argonath Service, dis is corruption.
Imma get banned for advertising through MY skype too?!
You're telling me if i go onto facebook and PM my friends about a server, 3 of them happen to play here, that's permenantly bannable?
I think not, If he was mass recruiting I doubt he was trying to invite you personally to whatever server this advertisement was for.
What?Shh, give it time, I think it's trying to communicate!
Can someone try to get Gandalf in Skype/facebook/ or here to speak with me over PM about some admins that they are obvisly Administrating my FACEBOOK PROFILE
Man, Bruce can advertise other servers on HIS private facebook account... He haven't used any Argonath Service, dis is corruption.Wanna test me? Go ahead.
Imma get banned for advertising through MY skype too?!
Man, Bruce can advertise other servers on HIS private facebook account... He haven't used any Argonath Service, dis is corruption.
Imma get banned for advertising through MY skype too?!
You are using your connections and friends gained in Argonath to invite Argonath players to another server.Hope you understood now.
I doubt you really want to speak to Gandalf about what you've just done :)
Wanna test me? Go ahead.
Threatening me boi? :app:
You're telling me if i go onto facebook and PM my friends about a server, 3 of them happen to play here, that's permenantly bannable?
If you know them from Argonath exclusively, possibly yes. Exclusively as in you met them here in Argonath and had no "friendship" with them prior to the community.
If their your IRL friends or know them from outside Argonath, likely no.
If you know them from Argonath exclusively, possibly yes. Exclusively as in you met them here in Argonath and had no "friendship" with them prior to the community.Now wait a minute here, if I.. and as I did.. find friends here and become really good friends with them.. add them to my facebook which I would never do .. I like to keep myself annonymous (IRL name as a username might be not working) and play with them on other games AND other servers..
If their your IRL friends or know them from outside Argonath, likely no.
And please can u come at that server and take Argonath Admins out of there cause they are trolling please.
They have already been ordered to not join that server by me over 30 minutes ago.
Advertisements of groups that do not belong to Argonath RPG community and/or do not have agreement are forbidden.
Advertising outside of the server is fine so long as you don't use the forums or in-game to recruit
I would PREFER you didn't, yet there's nothing I can do if you did
Who doesn't base their server off others?
@Zaila
So pming some friends on FACEBOOK about a server that is almost RS4, (WHICH DO NOT EVEN EXIST ANYMORE) but that's not immportant,
Is not allowed to do in my f**king personal life, in my f**king facebook profile, WHO THE f**k ARE YOU TO CONTROL MY FACEBOOK ACCOUNT?
EXPLAIN IT TO ME PLEASE CAUSE ITS f**kING FUNNY
{rant}
Even if Facebook msging IPs seems creepy it isn't against the rules, the fact that Flameman is a part of the SAMP leadership doesn't matter, he MSGed random people on his facebook that he knows play SAMP and told them about a server, now you tell me that is wrong? you don't own Facebook, he might be creepy.. but advertising there isn't bad, if I make Argonath videos on youtube and play argonath and make a video telling everyone to go and play some other RP server.. you can't ban me for that as it's on my youtube, Facebook is no different, what he did was tell people about something interesting that might interest them on facebook. He tried to sell them a product that was in their interests, which is the definition of advertisement, but.. something this major should be brought up to Gandalf.. but than again it's just my opinion and I'm just a wall of text not a cop.
Caps lock off and control your temper, or you will be punished for breaking forum rules as well.
Your personal life is your personal life. If you started saying over your private facebook proflie that you would bomb the Houses of Parliament, and then the police came over arresting you, would you go with the same excuse? Facebook profile is not personal if you post something publically. Facebook is one of the mass-media types. You didn't ask your 2-3 friends to simply join another server. If you did, you wouldn't have any problems.
In your case there are two basic problems which would make you banned separately:
1) You contacted total strangers (i.e.: people who you know from Argonath and never even spoke to them -> like me), so you made it a public ad, not private invitation.
2) You used Argonath as a comparison, saying the server is similar to RS4. Therefore, you used Argonath's fame and respect to gain your own members. It does not matter that Rs4 doesn't exist anymore. The fact that matters is that you used us to be more respected and to get more members.
Don't act as if you didn't understand it. You knew perfectly well what you were doing.
Actually, your unban request was a joke as well. Saying you didn't know what you had done... and before posting unban request that's what you wrote on your Argo-wannabe-server:
[21:23:00] <Bruce_McCollin> Going on argonath probably to get banned
They have already been ordered to not join that server by me over 30 minutes ago.
Since when Argonath Vision disallow me to send personal message on facebook about a server that i found?
First of all you need to be banned for Ignoring Administration.This is the reason:
Since when is a community so desperate that they need to pay real life money to get people to advertise them?
What money hahahahahahahahaha....I don't need money to advertise something, i just need a video editor and a youtube account :) I didn't got money
Yet you tried to advertise to over 100 people after an announcement that they would pay $15 to whoever recruited the most.
Yet you tried to advertise to over 100 people after an announcement that they would pay $15 to whoever recruited the most.That's smart marketing, they weren't forced to advertise on argonath, they could advertise on Battlefield if they wanted to.. never thought of alex as a mastermind but this is interesting, let me get my popcorn.
Yet you tried to advertise to over 100 people after an announcement that they would pay $15 to whoever recruited the most.
If you care more about other communities than Argonath, don't mind if the administration team helps you dedicate more time to those by lowering the time you spend here, specially if your care for other communities involve diminishing Argonath by taking away our players, regardless of the means. Stopping your access to the rest of the player base once you start recruiting seems like a logical thing to do. Surprised you've still got forum account.
Oh wait we have a snitch over here, thats just an event so what? what about ARGONATH COMMUNITY that takes 400$ from people to put their server back? what you have to say about that?
Yes, they are all wrong, obviously.You can't be right or wrong about that, it's all about opinions.
Since you want someone to speak to; may I ask the following:
Why do you care?
Your running off to make some alternative of RS4 and pretty much hate everything about RS5; so the main question is why should you even care? Why stick around? Why care about being banned? What is your objective with selecting to stay?
Consider this; if you were the major community and Gandalf was the one splitting off, would you want him silently stealing people away from your community in which hes met there? I want to know your honest answer.
This isn't a democracy. Nobody has a right to be here; its a privilege in which those selected to manage the community and servers can revoke that privilege.
Mr. I WANT TO BE A ADMIN, stay out of this pleaseNo and no
What's the purpose of this mindless spamming? If you aren't able to behave then you will be shown the door too.Freeing Ethan is the point.
What's the purpose of this mindless spamming? If you aren't able to behave then you will be shown the door too.
What's the purpose of this mindless spamming? If you aren't able to behave then you will be shown the door too.
What's the purpose of this mindless spamming? If you aren't able to behave then you will be shown the door too.Well that's the whole point of a riot, to prove that the comunity thinks you did something bad, now if you wish to acknowledge or ignore that is up to you, just know that what you do now is either tell people that you don't give a fuck about the comunity members or tell them that if they stand by something will get them somewhere.
None of this would have happened if you sticked to RS4 which worked perfectly and kept 60+ players online at any time. There was nobody who could take your players away, people liked playing in RS4.Read my signature 10 times if didn't understand it yet, continue reading to get the point.....
You all need to stop creating havoc for admins and let them do their job. Ethan surely deserved what he got. :mad:
know about what you're saying, or say nothing at all.
this whole thing is getting retarded. Facebook is facebook, in game rules are IN GAME rules.
Read my signature 10 times if didn't understand it yet, continue reading to get the point.....So what's the point of having a comunity if old members want to leave? What you are doing is pushing people that have had years of expirience with each other away, a comunity is supposed to listen to each other and .. respect each other, not "we own this comunity, we don' give a fuck" .. if the "we will get new members" is the mentality you're going for.. I mean it's going to work, but players that have been here looking the comunity slowly crumble because of this mentality.. sure.. I'm just a wall of text not a cop.
I know what i'm saying brosef.You are licking ass right now, I don't even care if this will get me forum banned, I'm just stating something obvious.
If Ethan felt that acting against the community was in his best interests, then he can be punished in HQ's best interests.
We just got banned from Teamspeak for protesting against Ethan.
Perhaps this is the end of my time in this community.
And perhaps its the time to post Argonath's dirty little secrets on Argodocs.
#FreeEthan.
You are licking ass right now, I don't even care if this will get me forum banned, I'm just stating something obvious.
So what's the point of having a comunity if old members want to leave? What you are doing is pushing people that have had years of expirience with each other away, a comunity is supposed to listen to each other and .. respect each other, not "we own this comunity, we don' give a f**k" .. if the "we will get new members" is the mentality you're going for.. I mean it's going to work, but players that have been here looking the comunity slowly crumble because of this mentality.. sure.. I'm just a wall of text not a cop.This is not a real life this is a GAME stick on that.
I'm not licking ass. I'm protesting my hate for Ethan while you are all licking HIS ass.
This is not a real life this is a GAME stick on that.Seeing how I wasted 5 years on this GAME .. yeeah .. that's a third of my life buddy, kinda a big deal.
(http://pubsecrets.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/satire-south-park-pitchforks-torches-mob.jpg)
Seeing how I wasted 5 years on this GAME .. yeeah .. that's a third of my life buddy, kinda a big deal.Nobody forced you to play and/or *waste* your time.
Since when is a community so desperate that they need to pay real life money to get people to advertise them?Since when is a community so desperate to ban people for talking with their friends about other servers?
Since when is a community so desperate to ban people for talking with their friends about other servers?Damn.
And about this ban of Ethan. The ban will not be reverted no matter how many that is trying it. The only way he can get an early unban (it's not permanent) is to contact me directly which he can do through [email protected] or [email protected]. If he is willing to contact me there, i will happily discuss it with him and solve it.
I mean playing on the server is kinda fun even tho everyone is AFK looking at this topic..
I'm not licking ass. I'm protesting my hate for Ethan while you are all licking HIS ass.You are licking ass, and I don't really know what you think you are gonna obtain by doing it.
Looks like we got different opinions in here, which is kinda obvious. In this particular message, Argonath was being used and sent to over 100 people. It has been stated several times in the past that if Argonath is being used for recruitment, the player doing it will be banned no matter what platform that is being used. Why should we accept that players use the time that we put into the server to be used for others to try to gain players? If they can't gain players traditionally and through fair play, they should close the server before wasting too much money.
You are licking ass, and I don't really know what you think you are gonna obtain by doing it.I mean I find this hilarious, the comunity is split on people who either don't give a fuck, have a mind of their own or are ass licking, this is so entertaining I think I'm gonna cry.
And we are not asslicking Ethan, he was banned for a pathetic reason.
I think the adminstration has become to paranoid and got out of hand, which I also think is shameful.
Tell me why i am not allowed to pm some people on facebook, from my personal facebook account, from my private life to pm some people who plays SA:MP about a server i found out?
Do you know that SA:MP is not ONLY ARGONATH people play other RP server too, better and worst than ARGONATH and i guess you know that too?
They wanted RS4 we brough a server that is nearly RS4, if you are against it that's fine cause everyone in this community learned today that you are mad cause we achieved to create RS4, and as Gandalf said "If you want RS4 either create it yourself eaither pay 400$" and that's what we did, we did RS4 and now through the facebook i pmed some people and told them about it.
That's all i have to say.
And by the way i being banned looks like a funny reason, seriously i didn't advertise it on Argonath space so i will be very appreciated to be unbanned.With that ban you are blocking my private space of pming people to share a simple SA:MP server.Out intention is not to hurt argonath, otherwise we are in the same side with Argonath and not only me knows that everyone in this server and in that server knows it.I repeat we have nothing AGAINST ARGONATH.
Thank you and regards,
Bruce McCollin
You might not be against Argonath, but you are not Argonath either. We would never allow you to use us to advertise.
How many times do i need to explain?
Did i use any of Argonath Space to advertice? Forums,In game chat, Facebook groups? Since when you declare a person argonath citizien, as i said wake up there is more than argonath in SA:MP and the thing we are doing is currently on argonath side, is better for Argonath cause we are doing something Gandalf told us to do.And i don't think that you are against Gandalf Word.
Im protesting for it too.. But i havent got the full reason for Ethans ban.. Can someone explain ?
No, but you used our name which is bad enough.So if I film a porn and scream "argonath RPG" wihile ejaculating and name the video "Herpderp Comunity RPG" will I get banned for advertising?
So you're being a sheep with no knowledge of what's actually going on until things happen that you don't like or want to be a part of.
And you are being old grandpa who sits infront of PC calling others sheeps? Nice work on manager duty! Im kindly asking why is he banned. Im protesting only because Ethan is big part of Argonath. Even if we are not closest friends. We still have fun with him. Not like you.
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Where's the logic in that
Im protesting for it too.. But i havent got the full reason for Ethans ban.. Can someone explain ?You are mad. You should stop.
The one who follows the blind ends up falling off a cliff.
"When a man has done what he considers to be his duty to his people and his country, he can rest in peace.
Brb jumping off a cliff.
Enjoy, hope you don't forget to turn on the webcam before you do so.
Let's sing a song (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=68402.msg1055967#msg1055967)
Lets Skype, so I will share my mobile screen, so you can live watch it.I like his kid, tell your mom to get to work, we need more of you.
Retard.
I like his kid, tell your mom to get to work, we need more of you.
Lets Skype, so I will share my mobile screen, so you can live watch it.
Retard.
Deal! :hitit:
No, but you used our name which is bad enough.
Deal! :hitit:Managers telling comunity members to kill themselves, ahh.. good old argonath.
I didn't used any name, i was just telling some people about the server i didn't say "HEY ARGONATHIANS" and shits like this.
Anyway, we are annoying many players here, is there any way i and you can talk in private, Facebook/skype or any other way please i want to speak with you but not forum PM?
I have read the message you sent out and i can send it back to you if you want to.
I have read the message you sent out and i can send it back to you if you want to.
>Manager Bans Ethan for talking on the forums and doing the same as everyone else here.I had my reasons to ban him. I have not banned anyone else. Do not talk when you can't see the whole picture.
>Manager denies he's wrongI never said i did nothing wrong. I said i wouldn't remove his ban without talking to him. If you now need to know, i've been trying to reach out to Ethan in private to talk with him in private and solve this.
Are you serious?You do what you want, we do what we want. OK?
Man... People are allowed to do what they want on their Facebook,
You are NOT allowed to advertise in the server or forum.
Banning Ethan because he has the courage to say his own opinion?
I thought this was a community..
And if you want to ban everyone that is protesting, well that's just bad?
I guess we don't want to play with 6 man...
What is next? hacking our skype accounts? That's just a breach of our privacy..
And about those Argonath Rescources Gandalf mentioned, you can't include people on Argonath resource cause people don't play only argonath, i myself know over 50 players that play other server which i don't want to put here due to advertising, also i saw people from administration staff of Argonath playing in other server and i guess you yourself play in many other RP servers.And in that message you referred to Argonath. Meaning you earned a community ban. Now want to apologize for what you did or should we block you?
The only thing i did was sending a facebook message to 113 people about this server, which i and everyone knows that Personal messages are OUT of argonath resources, since i didn't post anything in argonath groups.
And about those Argonath Rescources Gandalf mentioned, you can't include people on Argonath resource cause people don't play only argonath, i myself know over 50 players that play other server which i don't want to put here due to advertising, also i saw people from administration staff of Argonath playing in other server and i guess you yourself play in many other RP servers.The mistake you made in doing so was using people you knew were already in Argo to do such in a competitive way. That is where the issue lies, regardless of how many people on your list already play in the competing location. I'm sure if you did the same to a group of people on Facebook that played in the other community and advertised Argo, they would be just as upset as we are.
The only thing i did was sending a facebook message to 113 people about this server, which i and everyone knows that Personal messages are OUT of argonath resources, since i didn't post anything in argonath groups.
And in that message you referred to Argonath. Meaning you earned a community ban. Now want to apologize for what you did or should we block you?
And in that message you referred to Argonath. Meaning you earned a community ban. Now want to apologize for what you did or should we block you?
From my viewing on these comments from admins/managers/owners. I started thinking if they don't really even care about their individual community members but them selves, is this just me or if this theory is correct, isn't it being egoistic?
From my viewing on these comments from admins/managers/owners. I started thinking if they don't really even care about their individual community members but them selves, is this just me or if this theory is correct, isn't it being egoistic?Ah the propagande of 'we do not care' is still running in other servers?
I don't come here often, but when I do-..Are you threatening?
Show me the rule that stops every argonath player to show other people about a server on their personal facebook account is not allowed to advertise
And i said that is a server almost like RS4 i didn't even mention that the server is RS4
And people ask me why I don't use social service networks. Because f**k integration like that with other outlets such as Argonath who will keep an eye on you and wait for a moment till they can "legitimately" get butthurt on you.Because admins getting facebook messages that are using Argonath for recruiting is the same as Argonath HQ spying on people.
Nice example why social network integration is f**ked up and should be prevented.
Because admins getting facebook messages that are using Argonath for recruiting is the same as Argonath HQ spying on people.See, the message is, if they didn't have facebook accs, they wouldn't have f**ked up.
meaning we might as well close SAMP fully and move towards new projects.
See, the message is, if they didn't have facebook accs, they wouldn't have f**ked up.
Okay, I've read though most of this, and all I can say is that the state of environment around SA:MP server is getting sadder each day. I'm really surprised developers are still going on, my say in this matter I'd close the SA:MP community by this time.
(Argonath does not even need to advertise; players just come) so their own servers will have a player base, and Ethan is just one of many banned for doing so. Those of you who have even a brain cell's worth of common sense will abandon this lost "What you on about? I'm right here boi
Kewwwl I have waited this to happen..Zaila did the correct thing. People are free to do what they want, we are free to let that have consequences for their participation here.
Zaila, no offence but you are not allowed to do anything IRL for players who advertise other servers, all you can do is ban them, they are free to advertise in either skype or facebook, you are being too strict and angry, don't act like this, because this attitude will make this community lose such a good players, that's all I can say at this moment.#FreeEthan!
Are you threatening?Nope, not at all. I tried making a meme refrence, but I've failed.
I am amazed at how many of you here lack common sense. The action was advertising and stealing players because of the mere fact that the perpetrator is using connections GAINED THROUGH ARGONATH to get players to move to another server, REGARDLESS of the platform used.Don't even dare to mix common sense up in this. Indeed the perpetrator was using connections he got from Argonath, but what really are those connections? Meeting someone on the Argonath and becomes their friend and then adding them on Facebook, does this give Argonath the authority to control their community members beyond their promitted servers? Cyber-bullying for once is an exception as this causes harm, but advertising? Hell, I think 90% of the community should get banned then. Gained through Argonath or not, friends are friends. Keep out of their privacy.
Do the rioters see themselves as freedom fighters? Revolutionaries? Messengers of a just cause? This is not even rioting, but rather mass moaning. The reality is that these "rioteers", the ones who know that their actions are undermining this community and its administration, yet continue anyway, are a bunch of hypocrites protecting and justifying the actions (and in some cases, themselves ASSISTING) of somebody who is trying to bring down this community for their own gain. Common f**king sense, people.Lol. Again, don't mix up common sense here. Who said they want to revolutionate Argonath? Get your facts straight. Standing up for a friend or two is not the same as trying to bring down the whole community. Getting unfairly punished and you're expecting people to shut up? I don't see how this is an attempt to bring down this community, we all knew that there were people who preferred RS4 better than RS5, good enough. Hell, even Gandalf told them to leave if they're not happy. Why would we, those who enjoy rs5, care about losing members that didn't even play on rs5? Those who're happy with the update are staying, those who aren't are probably on hunt of something else.
"Rioting" because you love Argonath? Complete and total bullshit. If you love this community, stick with it in its trying times instead of shitting on the very people who put in HUNDREDS of hours of their FREE TIME with ZERO PAY just so that you could have a stable, technologically advanced, and innovative gamemode.I, for once, agree with that statement. If you do, ideed, love Argonath, you should stick with it.
If any of you "freedom fighters" think this will put an irrepairable dent in Argonath or bring the community down, you are mistaken. This community has stood strong for years even after many cheap, pathetic attempts by people to steal its players (Argonath does not even need to advertise; players just come) so their own servers will have a player base, and Ethan is just one of many banned for doing so. Those of you who have even a brain cell's worth of common sense will abandon this lost "cause" before it is too late.This community has been here for years, I don't see why you should fear that anyone could bring it down. It's not a lost cause, it's a cause to stop making certain people interfering with the privacy of community members as they're attempting to go beyond Argonath's limits.
Zaila did the correct thing. People are free to do what they want, we are free to let that have consequences for their participation here.Perhaps it is right, but don't you think that it is a huge and extreme thing to do ?
I can't realise how low we have fallen, fighting against eachother, i though this was a community...Even comunities have some hard times, it's how we react to them, and here we have shown loyality to our members, 30 people fighting to get ONE unbanned, I'm kinda proud of them, even if Gandalf went batshit crazy.. we have proven AS a comunity that we can acomplish something.. even though I can't believe we had to prove it.. I mean Argonath spawned another comunity of people that liked RS4, it is how the developers react, my reaction is "good on ya'" ..
I got f**king stoned because of the stupidity here, can't stop laughing.Keep such posts for yourself, if you aren't going to post something constructive, then I don't see a reason why you should come here blabbering about stupidity.
So if you post on your Facebook wall about a GTA server you like, that's suddenly advertising using Argonath?
right..
Well JDC is not Argonath management/administration so I think it is better for these rules to be clarified by someone who actually holds authority to make such declarations.Isn't that punishable? I mean, making up rules?
What about youtube? If i have argonath subscribers? Am i not allowed to post videos from other servers?Your youtube channel, you can do whatever you want, but it seems some people disagree.
I am just struck by your ignorance.
You really can't see a difference between basic inviting people on a server and attempt to steal members by using Argonath name and reputation?
I promised myself I would not post in this topic any more, but I am just struck by your ignorance.
1) You can invite your facebook friends to another server (even if it's yours).
2) You can post other server's IP to your wall and invite people there.
3) You can upload pictures and videos from that server, there's no problem.
The problem appears when you start to use Argonath's reputation and players in order to gain more players.
It's not only trying to steal Argonath players (who left because of RS5 or didn't, it doesn't matter), but also trying to copy Argonath...
1) He said multiple times himself.. He created a server similar to RS4 (so he actually copied Argonath, which is bannable by itself).
2) Then he contacted Argonath players who were not his friends (over 100 people, most of whom he never spoke to). So, he tried to steal Argonath members.
3) Finally, he said the server was similar to RS4 Argonath, so he used our name and OUR reputation to make people interested. It was not basic "Come to see my RPG server" . It was using Argonath to gain bigger interest.
Of these three points, EACH is enough to be banned from our community, SEPARATELY. Doing them all together is just making it worse.
I am so disappointed to see you fighting for these guys claiming freedom and the good of Argonath. These guys actually were trying to steal our members, nothing less.
You really can't see a difference between basic inviting people on a server and attempt to steal members by using Argonath name and reputation?
I promised myself I would not post in this topic any more, but I am just struck by your ignorance.
1) You can invite your facebook friends to another server (even if it's yours).
2) You can post other server's IP to your wall and invite people there.
3) You can upload pictures and videos from that server, there's no problem.
The problem appears when you start to use Argonath's reputation and players in order to gain more players.
It's not only trying to steal Argonath players (who left because of RS5 or didn't, it doesn't matter), but also trying to copy Argonath...
1) He said multiple times himself.. He created a server similar to RS4 (so he actually copied Argonath, which is bannable by itself).
2) Then he contacted Argonath players who were not his friends (over 100 people, most of whom he never spoke to). So, he tried to steal Argonath members.
3) Finally, he said the server was similar to RS4 Argonath, so he used our name and OUR reputation to make people interested. It was not basic "Come to see my RPG server" . It was using Argonath to gain bigger interest.
Of these three points, EACH is enough to be banned from our community, SEPARATELY. Doing them all together is just making it worse.
I am so disappointed to see you fighting for these guys claiming freedom and the good of Argonath. These guys actually were trying to steal our members, nothing less.
... and additionally - listen to what Gandalf is trying to say and you're ignoring. He can do whatever he wants on his "private account". But then, we - as the administration and management of our server - can also do what we want. If he has the right to ad his server using our name - and we shouldn't interrupt, we have the right to ban him and he shouldn't interrupt neither.
Even comunities have some hard times, it's how we react to them, and here we have shown loyality to our members, 30 people fighting to get ONE unbanned, I'm kinda proud of them, even if Gandalf went batshit crazy.. we have proven AS a comunity that we can acomplish something.. even though I can't believe we had to prove it.. I mean Argonath spawned another comunity of people that liked RS4, it is how the developers react, my reaction is "good on ya'" ..I did not go crazy, actually I would have kept him banned.
1: As i heard from someone Gandalf approved the existence of the server as long as it's not advertised on the forums and in game , correct me if i'm wrong.1. I can not approve the existence of any other server as our own. I can only blacklist those who attack us.
2: I can't really argue much about that, however it's not really stealing since there is a possibility to play on more than 1 server. Also advertising on Facebook to argonath members is still not banable since it's outside of the server and forums.
3: He did use the name and COULD have some profit due that. What i want to know is what would have happened when he just said 'That server' instead of argonath. It's hypocrite but in that case he wouldn't have mentioned the name.
That makes one point MAYBE bannable.
I did not go crazy, actually I would have kept him banned.But.. Are you sure though? (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=103285.0)
So someone has actually made a server to try and compete with Argonath, that is similar to RS4?No. They use a basic RP script available on SA-MP forum that has been used for hundreds of other servers.
Even comunities have some hard times, it's how we react to them, and here we have shown loyality to our members, 30 people fighting to get ONE unbanned, I'm kinda proud of them, even if Gandalf went batshit crazy.. we have proven AS a comunity that we can acomplish something.. even though I can't believe we had to prove it.. I mean Argonath spawned another comunity of people that liked RS4, it is how the developers react, my reaction is "good on ya'" ..You really think that all the shit thrown at me had an effect in my decision to unban Ethan?
You really think that all the shit thrown at me had an effect in my decision to unban Ethan?It should have.. but than again why should you care about what the comunity thinks? It's not like you're a division leader or anything.
It should have..
and that is why you are in zero positions here.Oh that is why? I thought it was the constant multi accounting, hacking, threatning, lying, insulting, provoking, ban evading, perament ban evading, arguing, deathmatching, having no temper, constantly spaming, deathmatching, constant rule breaking, insulting comunity leaders, making comics that insult comunity leaders, making videos that mistakingly have me insulting the comunity in them.. but that was 4 years ago so I can see why "It should have" is the reason I have no position here. Or in your words zero positions, how can you have zero position(s=multiple would not make sense in case of there being ZERO of it). But if you tell me here that the comunity managment isn't supposed to listen to the comunity and isn't supposed to tell us... Actually while writing this I just realised I could be doing way more productive things than argue with someone on a forum.. huh.. who would of thought.
I agree with you, But one thing. Why are members of the ArgonathRPG (locked) group saying we are not allowed to post 'other servers' on our wall.
and threatning us with 'global bans'
Actually while writing this I just realised I could be doing way more productive things than argue with someone on a forum.. huh.. who would of thought.
(http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab86/mansenmann/freeethan_zps3e8567c0.png)
Just spent 5 minutes browsing that website ;)Who got a small willy now? #FreeEthan
Who got a small willy now? #FreeEthan
Sorry I almost cared (http://i.imgur.com/AAWgzqV.png)
Although it seems after 4 years, with your attitude now, little of what caused all the offenses you outlined in the first part of your post has changed...
McGarrett..
Sexual imagery has been removed. I don't want to know what you get up to in your spare time with pizza.
Sorry I almost cared (http://i.imgur.com/AAWgzqV.png)
1. I can not approve the existence of any other server as our own. I can only blacklist those who attack us.
2. If you use our name, wherever it may be, it is directed against our community and there for WILL be punished.
3. If he would have sent a message without any mention of Argonath RPG, RS4 or similar terms nothing would have happened. People send messages every day.
As for the advertising, it's not so much as a user going about saying "Come try my server" but the issue of players stating it's in a way a re-make of an Argonath script.That's true, but a lot of people were saying stuff like "you can't mention other SAMP servers if anyone who can hear is from Argonath" or whatever, and it was worrying that it might set a precedent.
But if you tell me here that the comunity managment isn't supposed to listen to the comunity and isn't supposed to tell us...
What actually seems to have happened was basically advertising, yea. If it was a widespread message (sent to lots of random Argo people) saying "it's like Argonath" then that's not really on.
Alright, is there actually an official rule stating that? If not maybe it's a good thing to highlight this and especially the fact that it's also forbidden outside the forums and game.
we might as well assume they were born yesterday...
I already do. :S
If that is an insult, who is it pointed towards? I mean only IF it is an insult, insulting people on forums aren't allowed right?
If that is an insult, who is it pointed towards? I mean only IF it is an insult, insulting people on forums aren't allowed right?If in such case you feel it is, you are welcome to report the post.
And no teddy I have no intentions im "sueing" you.
Awww :( okIf it makes you feel any better I was looking up on google how to sue someone online..
If a message was sent to lots of random Argo people saying "try this server, its like Argonath/RS4" and they still insist it was not advertising, we might as well assume they were born yesterday..
And who the hell are you to judge me what i do with my own facebook profile?
Stop acting like you are admin and watch your f**king business and stop interfeering in places that you do not belong to.
I did that with my own risk, now everything is cleared and there is no need to keep talking for what i did.
And JDC asslick less please.Everyone is making fun with your name.
Regards,
Bruce McCollin
I am fairly certain we came to a conclusion to this problem earlier.
Argonath isn't what it used to be...
Thats what i just said to JDC which reopened the case in facebook group and now here.Alex, Calm down, i don't understand why you are so angry, it's a game, and if something happened bad to you IRL, or made you angry from a GAME, it couldn't make you so angry like that, Calm down mate :)
Just stop talking about this case, i have spoken with people in private so just shut this case down.I did what i did its a story now, anyone who keep talking for what i did will be reported.
Regards
Argonath hasn't changed; people have.
And the people make up Argonath...
We don't care what you do with your personal life, but when it comes to taking advantage of Argonath that's when we actually care.
If a message was sent to lots of random Argo people saying "try this server, its like Argonath/RS4" and they still insist it was not advertising, we might as well assume they were born yesterday...common sence... if this would all be about common sence and 'people that needs everything explained ' then this situation where loads of people are fighting each other wouldn't not occur.
We do not need rules for everything. Mainly because not only things like these should be a matter of common sense, but also that we do not want to turn the Rules into a huge ass rulebook.
Sadly though, there are just some people who you have to explain everything down to the letter as they cannot figure it out for themselves...
We do not need rules for everything. Mainly because not only things like these should be a matter of common sense, but also that we do not want to turn the Rules into a huge ass rulebook.
Sadly though, there are just some people who you have to explain everything down to the letter as they cannot figure it out for themselves...
i have spoken with people in private so just shut this case down.I did what i did its a story now, anyone who keep talking for what i did will be reported.
Alex, Calm down, i don't understand why you are so angry, it's a game, and if something happened bad to you IRL, or made you angry from a GAME, it couldn't make you so angry like that, Calm down mate :)
Let's put it this way, drill it into that skull of yours,
As i said i did what i did i got what was deserved, why everyone wants to restart the case?
Why should I, or anyone else here who loves this community, take a lesson from someone who brags about not caring about Argonath?
It's laughable how people who just got unbanned from advertising and constant provoking walk in here and act like they have the rights to teach people who actually cared about this community while they were busy undermining it.
I don't even recognize argo now, we where all friends :(
Do you seriously expect to start a shitstorm in something that people love (this community) and have those people look very nicely at you afterwards?
People love this community, i also do ... but you are forgetting that people don't love Argonath SA:MP server anymore.(Talking about RS5)
And i am not here to start a shitstorm with people like you, wannabe admin people so please leave me alone and stop talking shit about me and what i do on my personal facebook account. <3 Peace and love <3
Do you seriously expect to start a shitstorm in something that people love (this community) and have those people look very nicely at you afterwards?Well he went with the simple mentality; Gandalf told him to make 400$ out of thin air to bring RS4 back, why pay someone else for the server YOU can own, he made a new comunity. I will never see a problem with that, leaving out the advertising part would bring his decision making to regular, as many people believe in "Why let other people do it when you can do it better yourself". I have no problem with what Alex did, but I find rather amusing what kind of shit storm it brought upon the forum, had to turn on adblock to not give Gandalf too much adsense seeing how I refreshed the website on three different computers.. We almost DoS'd ourselves.
Well he went with the simple mentality; Gandalf told him to make 400$ out of thin air to bring RS4 back, why pay someone else for the server YOU can own, he made a new comunity. I will never see a problem with that, leaving out the advertising part would bring his decision making to regular, as many people believe in "Why let other people do it when you can do it better yourself". I have no problem with what Alex did, but I find rather amusing what kind of shit storm it brought upon the forum, had to turn on adblock to not give Gandalf too much adsense seeing how I refreshed the website on three different computers.. We almost DoS'd ourselves.I set a goal not to receive that amount of money, but to see if there was ANY person who was really willing to contribute.
as many people believe in "Why let other people do it when you can do it better yourself".
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAI went on that server and I don't think nor have they said it's better than RS5, all that was stated is that it's a wannabe of RS4..
Copying a cheap script off SA:MP forums... yes... so so sososososososo much better than RS5.
I would agree its alright if someone disagreed with how we do things then went off and made their own script ENTIRELY from scratch and built up their community without advertising and breaching the rules of other communities. However, that isn't what happened here.
I stated to you, VERY clearly, I don't give a shit about Argonath itself but it's members and community.
I in-fact love Argonath
Instead of acting like it's your job to be an admin, wait untill you get looked at and hired, if you ever do, then you can start speaking to us as if you are in some high ranked position.
Wow,another useless topic and fight between members of this "Community"Indeed, let's forget about it.
Bullshit. Argonath IS its members and community, and if you claim to care about one while totally disregarding the other, then I hope you never become a lawyer as the judge would laugh you out of the court with the reasoning skills you have. The present admins and we past staff members are also players and members of this community as much as those who have never been in the team.Well fuck, never thought the day would come when I agree with you but here we are. Well said.
Lol. And tell me how many times you have been drafted into an admin team and on how many servers? Or what you have actually contributed to this community aside from moaning? That's right, nothing. I have yet to see any significant amount of posts from you that show actual gratitude for what this community and its administration have done for people, instead of shitting on Argonath.
Know who you are talking to as I have long transcended forgotten seeing admin status for its power, and more for its ability to guide and serve the community. But then again, the concept of dignified speaking is not something I would expect you to understand.
Better thank your lucky stars that Aragorn was not here to see your shit and the same from others who "love" this community, or he would probably not have given you the chance to explain yourselves as Gandalf did. Not after shitting all over the work which they spent thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours of free time for no profit and thanks, plus the complaints from many thankless people, including yourself.
After the shit you and your fellow "Argonath lovers" have thrown on this community and the people who worked endlessly to make it possible, you have no right to say you love Argonath. Disgusting.
If anyone else points a finger at me or any other player / admin who truly loves Argonath and accuses of ass licking, they can shove it up their ass. Ass licking is when you suck up to somebody so you can exploit their position of power. Genuine respect is when you show gratitude because of what they have done. Although I would not expect the narrow-minded shitters to understand what genuine respect actually is.
If anyone wants to know why I even bother step up to join those who defend this community, then consider the fact that the Owners and our trusted helpers have put in shitload of free time, money, patience, and effort to run a community, even if they earn nothing (for those who will pull the "donations" card, why not go study the past finance reports of Argonath and compare donations and expenditures... or stop snoring in your economics class) and get lots of shit from thankless, hormone-filled kids.
Gratitude and common sense. Two things that are in f**king short supply.
he would probably not have given you the chance to explain yourselves as Gandalf did.And that's why people like Gandalf way more than they like Aragorn, except for those asslickers like you.
And that's why rulebreakers like Gandalf way more than they like Aragorn, except for those asslickers like you.
ANd one more thing, what the f**k server is it when owner can't go in game daily?Yeah Gandalf, go on every single server Argonath has every single day. What kind of servers do we have otherwise?!
THis isn't shitting on ARgonth, this is just truth.Nope