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This needed a topic.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum
Current polls suggest both Vote Leave and Vote Remain are neck and neck, though Vote Leave has had some significant leads in the past couple of weeks up until the murder of the MP Jo Cox who was killed by a psychopathic neo-Nazi shouting "Free Britain", that was sadly linked to Vote Leave by certain politicians and retarded ultra-lefties who think anyone who disagrees with them is racist, because of that Vote Leave temporarily suffered in the polls but appears to be making a recovery.
I'll be voting to leave and in my opinion, so will anyone with a spine.
If you spend all your life restricted to your house because you're afraid you'll fail if you go outside, you'll never achieve anything.
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Will be voting for sure.
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Will be voting for sure.
:neutral2:
IN OR OUT
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In for sure.
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Will be voting for sure.
Well what do you know, it's actually an option.
(https://i.imgur.com/pVLxjVZ.jpg)
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Well you didn't ask which option I was going for, so I didn't volunteer the information.
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I'll be voting to leave and in my opinion, so will anyone with a spine.
At least you got balls.
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It's all as well to have a spine and balls, unfortunately the lack of brain is letting him down :D
In all seriousness, this debate is just gonna be about who you believe, both sides genuine believe the benefits of their own opinion, and it's all guesswork, so only time will tell.
From my perspective I don't want to risk freedom of travel, nor do I want to see Europe split. So the logical vote for me is in. I wouldn't berate others on their choice though, I can see why people would vote the other way.
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unfortunately the lack of brain is letting him down :D
and it's all guesswork, so only time will tell.
That made no sense, did it?
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First bit was a joke.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgKHSNqxa8
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In for sure.
And what draws you to this decision?
What makes me want to leave is;
- The complete lack of democracy within the EU, it's a union made by the rich, for the rich, ran by plenty of unelected politicians.
- There's absolutely no way Cameron can reduce immigration to "tens of thousands" whilst we are in the EU, the EU would never allow that to happen due to the fact that it would involve bringing free movement into the UK to an end.
- House prices are going up and are only going to keep going up as mass immigration into the UK continues to grow.
- All the f**king politicians supporting Remain say is economy economy economy economy, what about the NHS, public transport and other public services that mass immigration into the UK puts a strain on? They never speak about that.
- We can trade with the world as we did for hundreds of years before the EU even existed, and I doubt we'd even lose the EU trade deals if we left, countries neighbouring us such as France, Brussels, Germany, etc would lose trade with 65,000,000 people, nuff said.
It's all as well to have a spine and balls, unfortunately the lack of brain is letting him down :D
I was hoping to keep this insult free. :neutral2:
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I voted out because look how well Switzerland/Norway are. AFAIK, the population in both countries (been to both to witness in my own eyes) are really happy in life in almost every aspect.
Materialistic wise, I have yet to see an Albanian from Switzerland driving a piece of shit car. They all work and get crazy money for it and live a lavish lifestyle.
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Kaze, you do realise it's taken Switzerland decades to get where they are now?
Mikal, it was a joke. But if you want to take that stance then yep, it was a response to you calling people who vote "remain" spineless.
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I won't be voting for this of course but if we actually had the opportunity to vote in on this same matter in Portugal I would definitely vote to leave.
I'm Portuguese and we have definitely suffered from UE interference.. I won't go off topic enough to explain these but just read up on it..
Anyways just giving my point on this matter..
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It's kind of sad that so many other EU countries want their own referendum but simply won't be given one because their leaders are too cozy with the establishment.
Kaze, you do realise it's taken Switzerland decades to get where they are now?
Do you realise we were 'further' than Switzerland is now even before we joined the EU?
Mikal, it was a joke. But if you want to take that stance then yep, it was a response to you calling people who vote "remain" spineless.
I do see voting remain as spineless though, I'm not insulting you directly, it's just how I see it, you're going against democracy, siding with politicians and the rich who only want what benefits them, and whilst I'm at it, with the amount of lies Cameron has been spurting out during this campaign he should resign wether it's a Leave or Remain vote.
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(http://oi67.tinypic.com/snz3id.jpg)
Gotta love the politics talk. Bunch of people talking about shit they know very little about.
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It's not just David Cameron, the major parties stand united in their support for remaining in the EU. With the exception of UKIP obviously.
The EU, for all its faults (I admit it has many), has been successful in fielding a largely united Europe. Look at the state of the world at the time of its founding, in my opinion it has helped maintain peace (for the most part) in Europe.
Approximately 93% of British law is self governed, and the NHs is unrelated to Europe. The Brexit campaigners would have you believe that voting remain will be the death toll for the NHS... Simply not true.
The net outgoings have been grossly over-estimated by Brexit campaigners, further scaremongering, as they haven't taken into account the economic relief we get back.
As a percentage of GDP we contribute no more to the EU than many other countries. It's estimated that an EU exit will negatively impact the UK economy by 20-40 billion GBP.
The EU were the main driving force behind the border patrol being at Calais and not the UK, so that's undoubtedly another expense we would take on.
The value of the GBP is expected to fall if we exit, further driving up costs. Not to mention the fact we would become international trade partners, and therefore import duties would be raised, making your weekly shop more expensive. Potentially driving people on the poverty line further underneath. Even pro-Brexit campaigners recognise that for at least a couple of years the economy will be negatively impacted... some families simply would not survive that.
We can't assume we'll get trade partnerships, leaving is like jumping off a diving board without knowing whether somebody filled the swimming pool with water.
House prices may go down, granted, but mortgage interest rates will increase for sure, negating the point of the property value dropping. Again, some families cannot afford this.
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It's not just David Cameron, the major parties stand united in their support for remaining in the EU. With the exception of UKIP obviously.
Oh yes, and the leader of one major party opposed the EU before he took control of Labour.
The EU, for all its faults (I admit it has many), has been successful in fielding a largely united Europe. Look at the state of the world at the time of its founding, in my opinion it has helped maintain peace (for the most part) in Europe.
And a united Europe is going so well isn't it...
I saw that argument today on the 'Great debate' - The EU is keeping European countries from killing eachother! Well no, that ended after WW2, and NATO keeps the peace just fine, along with the globalized economy ofc.
Approximately 93% of British law is self governed, and the NHs is unrelated to Europe. The Brexit campaigners would have you believe that voting remain will be the death toll for the NHS... Simply not true.
How is the NHS unrelated to Europe when the entire EU population can just come here, use the NHS and then leave as they please without contributing anything to the UK? Ofc voting remain won't mean the death of the NHS, it'll just mean higher taxes in the future to cover the expenses of increase NHS use by people who are not even British, and obviously more waiting times.
The net outgoings have been grossly over-estimated by Brexit campaigners, further scaremongering, as they haven't taken into account the economic relief we get back.
Both sides have done plenty of scaremongering, don't just bring it to Vote Leave, for example George Osbourne's disgusting threat of "If you vote to leave, we WILL higher taxes!" despite the fact they wouldn't need to because as I've said before, the UK would keep it's trade agreement with the EU, the EU does not want to lose trade with one of Europes biggest populations, that would be such a huge blow to their economy.
As a percentage of GDP we contribute no more to the EU than many other countries. It's estimated that an EU exit will negatively impact the UK economy by 20-40 billion GBP.
Right, because the billions and billions we pay into the EU only for a percentage in return once all trade and such has been calculated in will be such a devastating blow to our economy, oh hang on, maybe we can use that money at home in the UK, have lower house prices and less strain on both the NHS and other public services, saving us more money in the long run, that'd be good aye?
Not to mention we also remove the risk of the UK having to bail out failing EU economies, again.
The EU were the main driving force behind the border patrol being at Calais and not the UK, so that's undoubtedly another expense we would take on.
France has their own border force on our side, so that is in both sides best interests and as with the trade agreement, would stay in place, since both sides benefit from it greatly, despite what the politicians in France say in their best efforts to scare the British public.
The value of the GBP is expected to fall if we exit, further driving up costs. Not to mention the fact we would become international trade partners, and therefore import duties would be raised, making your weekly shop more expensive. Potentially driving people on the poverty line further underneath. Even pro-Brexit campaigners recognise that for at least a couple of years the economy will be negatively impacted... some families simply would not survive that.
Except the trade agreements with the EU would remain, as I have said, the EU wouldn't want to lose trade with 65,000,000, are you not aware that Switzerland is not an EU member but has a trade deal with the EU? Why would it be any different for a country the size of the UK? Again, this is all scaremongering by the Remain campaign and their buddies across the English Channel.
We can't assume we'll get trade partnerships, leaving is like jumping off a diving board without knowing whether somebody filled the swimming pool with water.
Except we can, because, Switzerland, and, 65million people.
House prices may go down, granted, but mortgage interest rates will increase for sure, negating the point of the property value dropping. Again, some families cannot afford this.
Is that one of George Osbourne's threats too?
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I'd vote in if I could
https://www.facebook.com/DavidCameronOfficial/videos/1215445095146473/?pnref=story
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See. Most of the "Leave" arguments are based on assuming all the negatives will never happen, and that the EU will trade with us like nothing happened.
We pay ~6.5 billion GBP a year to the EU including rebates and such. Not 18 billion as Brexit campaigners would have you believe.
Let's not assume trade agreements will come into place, there's not going to be much good feeling about for Britain in the EU if we leave... they'll make us sweat a bit first before even deciding anything, that's a certainty.
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See. Most of the "Leave" arguments are based on assuming all the negatives will never happen, and that the EU will trade with us like nothing happened.
We pay ~6.5 billion GBP a year to the EU including rebates and such. Not 18 billion as Brexit campaigners would have you believe.
Let's not assume trade agreements will come into place, there's not going to be much good feeling about for Britain in the EU if we leave... they'll make us sweat a bit first before even deciding anything, that's a certainty.
Even if we do vote to leave all trade agreements and such will stay in place for years until negotiations are complete, that gives us years to negotiate, and the EU isn't going to fuck us around for that long, that'd ruin their already fucked reputation and screw with stock markets and economies even more than this referendum is.
It was said on BBC News today that negotiations would at the very least take 4 years.
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I'm out.
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One thing is sure, we will all be looking at the UK tomorrow. From Norway to Greece, you dominate the news. All I can say is; make the right decision, and maybe your Brexit may lead to more referenda across Europe :).
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Simply put Leave supporters want to leave problems behind them, choosing the easiest way.
The real option here is Remain and put effort into changing what Europe is becoming.
Leaving would be a defeat for the whole UK people and what you would deserve to be proven wrong is decay.
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Don't you all want to travel?
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Don't you all want to travel?
They can travel, even if UK leaves. According to their experts nothing changes in terms of tourism or even immigration.
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Simply put Leave supporters want to leave problems behind them, choosing the easiest way.
The real option here is Remain and put effort into changing what Europe is becoming.
Leaving would be a defeat for the whole UK people and what you would deserve to be proven wrong is decay.
Our own PM could not negotiate a better position for the UK in the EU, he completely failed at it, ontop of that he refuses to answer the question as to wether he would veto Turkey trying to enter the EU and so it's safe to assume he simply would not, and the last thing we need is free movement with Turkey, the EU is ran by unelected career politicians who only see money, they simply do not care about the UK and will never care about the UK, it's the same for David Cameron, the EU was made by the rich, for the rich.
It was meant to be a trade union, they turned it political and now look at this mess. Ask yourself this question:
If the UK was outside the EU now and had the chance to join, would you join, or would you stay out? The answer to that is obvious.
Don't you all want to travel?
Pretty sure we traveled before the EU...
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1945 - 1959: The European Union is set up with the aim of ending the frequent and bloody wars between neighbours, which culminated in the Second World War.
Our own PM could not negotiate a better position for the UK in the EU, he completely failed at it, ontop of that he refuses to answer the question as to wether he would veto Turkey trying to enter the EU and so it's safe to assume he simply would not, and the last thing we need is free movement with Turkey, the EU is ran by unelected career politicians who only see money, they simply do not care about the UK and will never care about the UK, it's the same for David Cameron, the EU was made by the rich, for the rich.
At least David Cameron is standing up for what he believes in. Boris Johnson on the other hand previous was a prime supporter of Turkey joining the EU. He sure made a U turn on that pretty quickly... The only thing Boris Johnson is standing for is himself... if we do leave the EU, the main well known Conservative politician will be guess who... Boris Johnson. He's got his eyes on the Prime Minister position. Nothing more, nothing less.
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At least David Cameron is standing up for what he believes in. Boris Johnson on the other hand previous was a prime supporter of Turkey joining the EU. He sure made a U turn on that pretty quickly... The only thing Boris Johnson is standing for is himself... if we do leave the EU, the main well known Conservative politician will be guess who... Boris Johnson. He's got his eyes on the Prime Minister position. Nothing more, nothing less.
Aslong as Boris keeps working within the interests of the UK and for the UK I couldn't give 2 shits on wether he's doing all this for his political position, Cameron is a spineless liar (who I used to support) and Boris would definitely have done a better job negotiating the UK's position within the EU, something that Cameron completely failed at, didn't even look like he put in any real effort, he is a laughing stock.
Besides, you can't really moan about Boris leading the Conservatives whilst Corbyn leads Labour, both of them are clowns.
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Corbyn leading labour was a bit of an accident I think. I believe he was nominated to "make a point" as a truly left-wing candidate, and due to the state of the party, was actually voted in... couldn't see him being PM, but it certainly got the point across that Labour had lost their way a bit.
Let's see what happens tomorrow, most polls I've seen on economic/technical/education websites have supported remain, and so far on a motorbike + gaming forum I've seen mainly seen people wanting to leave.
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Most polls I've seen indicate that it's neck and neck after the murder of Jo Cox, though leave was in the lead beforehand, of course some people linked the murder to the Leave campaign, which is quite screwed up if you ask me.
I assume Remain will win though, after all David Cameron granted the Scottish independence referendum, which he won, and now he's granted this one, and it just so happens the polling cards are to be filled in with pencil (https://righttoricochet.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/eraser.jpg), god help us in our 'democracy'...
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Making excuses already ;)
The majority will speak :balance:
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And on a similar note:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/05f69210-3684-11e6-a780-b48ed7b6126f.html?siteedition=uk#axzz4CJ7spYCs
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I'm not making excuses, it's just beyond me how polling cards which will be counted by volunteers are to be filled in with pencil, why not use black pen? It's the safest way to get the best result... After the Scottish Indy Ref there was lots of claims (and some actual footage) of people fucking with the polling cards, in democracy that is plain wrong.
And on a similar note:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/05f69210-3684-11e6-a780-b48ed7b6126f.html?siteedition=uk#axzz4CJ7spYCs
You see, to Remain voters it's all economy, economy, economy, you throw everything else to the wind.
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Uh, you mean remain voters are those actually not disregarding the argument amount the economy entirely? The Brexit argument has has been driven in a large part by racism and hate in my honest opinion.
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Uh, you mean remain voters are those actually not disregarding the argument amount the economy entirely? The Brexit argument has has been driven in a large part by racism and hate in my honest opinion.
Please, I seriously beg you to find me some racism in the Brexit campaign, I'll be waiting.
As for the economy, as I have said, I doubt we'll lose the trade agreements, the EU wouldn't want to stop trading with 65million people, that in my eyes is complete common sense.
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Please, I seriously beg you to find me some racism in the Brexit campaign, I'll be waiting.
As for the economy, as I have said, I doubt we'll lose the trade agreements, the EU wouldn't want to stop trading with 65million people, that in my eyes is complete common sense.
It's all around you if you look:
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s1/sh/0025da4a-e0c2-4854-9da6-083ee801b2a2/8f70688d584c1ae5
Probably worth rewording your last sentence. All EU trade agreements will need to be renegotiated as we will technically no longer have them. All will need to be reviewed as they're under the EU umbrella.
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Pretty sure we traveled before the EU...
After signing a shit ton of paper work, paying for and meeting visa requirements 😀
Free movement is the best thing about being in the EU. Being able to go to any member state without visas or any questions is great.
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Pretty sure we traveled before the EU...
This is drawn from your extensive experience of traveling before we were in the EU? ;)
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It's all around you if you look:
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s1/sh/0025da4a-e0c2-4854-9da6-083ee801b2a2/8f70688d584c1ae5
:lol: :rofl: That's racist?! LMAO.
Probably worth rewording your last sentence. All EU trade agreements will need to be renegotiated as we will technically no longer have them. All will need to be reviewed as they're under the EU umbrella.
Or we can just become part of the EFTA like Switzerland, problem solved.
After signing a shit ton of paper work, paying for and meeting visa requirements
Yes, just like we do with the rest of the world, unlike Remain voters I care more for the country as a whole than I do my own wallet.
This is drawn from your extensive experience of traveling before we were in the EU? ;)
Oh alright then, we were all stuck on our little island until the EU came along.
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Yes, just like we do with the rest of the world, unlike Remain voters I care more for the country as a whole than I do my own wallet.
If you cared for the country you'd vote remain. Britain's economy will get fucked if we leave. Not a single economist has said it would be fine. There have been no long term projections of how the UK would be if it were to leave so we would be taking a gamble with our country. Is that a risk you're willing to take?
http://youtu.be/OAsHuZdXYI8
The leave campaign literally have no facts to back up what they're saying.
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No other country has managed to secure significant access to the Single Market, without having to:
follow EU rules over which they have no real say
pay into the EU
accept EU citizens living and working in their country
So, even if we go the same way as Norway and Switzerland, we still need to accept EU immigrants, follow certain EU rules, and pay money into it... but no longer have a say in any of the regulations? Genius idea.
If the UK voted to leave the EU, we would lose access to trade agreements with more than 50 countries outside the EU. The UK would seek to renegotiate these deals, but this would take years and there is no guarantee that the UK would manage to negotiate terms as good as those we enjoy today.
Many of our international trade partners have had deals negotiated through the EU, we would also have to renegotiate these. Canada has been negotiating for years and not even their agreement is fully in force with the EU yet!
We can work anywhere we want without having to apply for a work visa.
As an individual interested in working across Europe, I don't relish the thought of applying for a work visa and *hoping* I get it.
In his new deal, Cameron has secured a ‘brake’ period of seven years on EU migrants claiming benefits, which would reduce the number of people potentially abusing the system.
People have belittled David Cameron's negotiations but there have been a couple of useful items crop up, including the item above.
The EU has introduced many directives which undoubtedly help British workers and protect our rights.
These include:
Regulated working hours and break times, so people cannot be forced to work more than 48 hours a week
At least four weeks of guaranteed annual leave
Four months paid parental leave and extra protections for pregnant workers
Anti-discrimination laws, so people cannot be discriminated against on the grounds of race, ethnicity, religion or belief, disability, age, or sexual orientation.
Protection for workers when companies change ownership
It's not always "Beloved Britain" that implements safeguard for workers, quite the opposite. Our current government isn't "for the people", so we need an overseer that acts as a safety net.
Treasury analysis has found that the average family’s weekly food and drink bill would rise by almost three per cent, in the event of Brexit.
Some people don't have that money to spend. This is assuming that they aren't one of the 3 million people involved in jobs that are reliant on the EU...
This is before you even take into account the funding that the EU has provided to Wales specifically!
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/19-things-european-funding-done-10939396
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If you cared for the country you'd vote remain. Britain's economy will get fucked if we leave.
We were just fine before we joined, just like every other country outside of the EU is just fine, infact, the worlds richest countries are outside the EU.
Not a single economist has said it would be fine. There have been no long term projections of how the UK would be if it were to leave so we would be taking a gamble with our country. Is that a risk you're willing to take?
Yes, it's a risk I'm willing to take, is voting Remain and risking having to bail out EU countries in future a risk you're willing to take? Is terror attacks aided by free movement a risk you're willing to take? Is pressure on the NHS and other public services a risk you're willing to take? Is increased house prices and house shortages a risk you're willing to take? Everything is a risk.
So, even if we go the same way as Norway and Switzerland, we still need to accept EU immigrants, follow certain EU rules, and pay money into it... but no longer have a say in any of the regulations? Genius idea.
It's this simple to the EU: Meet the demands of the UK's people, or lose trade with 65million people.
Many of our international trade partners have had deals negotiated through the EU, we would also have to renegotiate these. Canada has been negotiating for years and not even their agreement is fully in force with the EU yet!
Meanwhile, we could be creating our own deals, trading with Canada and the rest of the world without running it through the EU first.
People have belittled David Cameron's negotiations but there have been a couple of useful items crop up, including the item above.
He failed to do anything significant.
It's not always "Beloved Britain" that implements safeguard for workers, quite the opposite. Our current government isn't "for the people", so we need an overseer that acts as a safety net.
Well, then it's time to make our government 'for the people'.
Some people don't have that money to spend. This is assuming that they aren't one of the 3 million people involved in jobs that are reliant on the EU...
You mean reliant on the jobs that will remain due to the UK keeping it's trade agreement with the EU due to our significant population.
This is before you even take into account the funding that the EU has provided to Wales specifically!
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/19-things-european-funding-done-10939396
Oh, a list of things we could do with the £18billion we save leaving the EU. (Yes I'm aware we get re-baits and such).
This just in:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36596060
Which demonstrates my point about the European Union NEEDING our trade.
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Total outgoings to the EU equate to more like £6.5 billion, not £18 billion.
It's this simple to the EU: Meet the demands of the UK's people, or lose trade with 65million people.
The proportion of total exports to the EU was 48 per cent in April 2016.
Our EU exports totalled £12 billion in a single month. Want to multiply that up mate?
Most of the "richest" countries outside of the EU are either huge, or have oil/diamonds or some other rare commodity. About all we have is prime weather/soil conditions for growing potatoes.
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Total outgoings to the EU equate to more like £6.5 billion, not £18 billion.
As I said, that's after re-baits and such, but we wouldn't need a re-bait, because we could straight up use the £18billion on what WE want.
Our EU exports totalled £12 billion in a single month. Want to multiply that up mate?
What is your point?
Most of the "richest" countries outside of the EU are either huge, or have oil/diamonds or some other rare commodity. About all we have is prime weather/soil conditions for growing potatoes.
Well that's good for us! We have plenty of oil in the North Sea, we have started fracking, and we have started searching for it down at the Falklands, I guess we'll be rich in no time.
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As I said, that's after re-baits and such, but we wouldn't need a re-bait, because we could straight up use the £18billion on what WE want.
What is your point?
Well that's good for us! We have plenty of oil in the North Sea, we have started fracking, and we have started searching for it down at the Falklands, I guess we'll be rich in no time.
Plenty of oil... lol.
£18 billion on what we want? What part of £6.5 billion do you not understand? We won't gain £18 billion from leaving the EU, we'll gain £6.5 billion... but the impact on our economy is totally unpredictable.
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Plenty of oil... lol.
£18 billion on what we want? What part of £6.5 billion do you not understand? We won't gain £18 billion from leaving the EU, we'll gain £6.5 billion... but the impact on our economy is totally unpredictable.
We put 18billion into the EU, after trade and re-baits we end up with putting 6.5billion in, we won't need any of that as the 18billion won't be given to the EU, it can be directly used on what we want...
Do you not understand? And back to the BBC news article which you completely ignored.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36596060
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We put 18billion into the EU, after trade and re-baits we end up with putting 6.5billion in, we won't need any of that as the 18billion won't be given to the EU, it can be directly used on what we want...
Do you not understand? And back to the BBC news article which you completely ignored.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36596060
Do the maths...
After the INSTANT £5billion rebate we get, the outgoings are £13 billion, so by your argument we would get £13 billion back to direct at purely what we want. Not £18 billion. Granted, the further £6.5 billion may not be spent as we would have done it, but it's spent within the UK nonetheless (not taking into account even without the EU we have a mandatory foreign aid output).
I ignored it because that is one mans opinion, not policy, not an official agreement. No point me even responding to that mate.
I'm bored of this anyhow mate. Let's just put our ticks in the respective boxes and see what the majority say tomorrow.
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Okay.
Last night watching it I saw that stupid mayor of London talking out of his asscrack.
He was on about 7/7 and how good it was to be in the EU.
So basicly, he said during 7/7 when the planners where caught up with and jailed all but one escaped. He fled to a EU country and began life there only to be caught up by British Authorites they brang him back and sentenced him. Brilliant. He then went on to say "All thanks to us being in the EU we caught up with him"
Right now.
If we wasn't part of the EU 7/7 wouldn't never have happened? Cos he wouldn't have been able to come over here in the first place.
Sorry im one for prevention rather then cure.
Ones who vote in haven't been to the great south of London im afraid, come down here im pretty sure you'd vote out more then anything.
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Okay.
Last night watching it I saw that stupid mayor of London talking out of his asscrack.
He was on about 7/7 and how good it was to be in the EU.
So basicly, he said during 7/7 when the planners where caught up with and jailed all but one escaped. He fled to a EU country and began life there only to be caught up by British Authorites they brang him back and sentenced him. Brilliant. He then went on to say "All thanks to us being in the EU we caught up with him"
Right now.
If we wasn't part of the EU 7/7 wouldn't never have happened? Cos he wouldn't have been able to come over here in the first place.
Sorry im one for prevention rather then cure.
Ones who vote in haven't been to the great south of London im afraid, come down here im pretty sure you'd vote out more then anything.
You're the one speaking out of your ass mate.
Three of the bombers were born in the UK, one was born in Jamaica, what the hell has that got to do with the EU? Absolutely nothing. Zip. Nada. Check the four profiles below if you don't believe me.
At least Mikal was giving logical reasoning and a thought out argument...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasib_Hussain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germaine_Lindsay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shehzad_Tanweer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Sidique_Khan
They weren't European migrants, 3 of the 4 were British nationals, goddamn, at least check the facts before you post mindless drivel...
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The un-elected Jean-Claude Juncker has now jumped on the scaremongering and threatening of British people.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36599300
In regards to what Lawrence said, wether the terrorists of 7/7 were influenced by the EU or not, the EU is still a big threat to the UK in terms of security, look how many 'refugees' are within the EU now, all of them have unknown and untraceable history, look at the attacks in France and Belgium, those attacks were influenced by EU free movement, they would have had a much harder time doing what they did if the countries involved were not in the EU, and with the UK being in, the doors are wide open to people who do wish to commit terrorism here, that is one thing that I think Remain seriously cannot deny.
I'm really surprised there hasn't been a major attack in the UK so far (thanks to our security services), lets hope it stays that way but with EU free movement I seriously doubt it will.
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The terrorists have not just attacked individual countries. See it from the perspective that they've attacked Europe. How does not standing united against them help the cause?
Running away from a problem doesn't solve it!
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The terrorists have not just attacked individual countries. See it from the perspective that they've attacked Europe. How does not standing united against them help the cause?
Running away from a problem doesn't solve it!
It isn't running anyway from them, it's closing the door to them in order to secure the British public, I'd rather attacks not happen at all, but when they do, I'd rather them be somewhere in Europe than in the country which my family are in.
It is better to be safe than sorry.
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I used to think that, and I know what you're saying on that particular point, it makes perfect sense.
My mind changed when my best friend from when I was like, 4, was killed simply because he was an Englishman holidaying in Tunisia about 12 months ago during the attack on a holiday resort.
Somewhat changes your perspective. He'd have been there whether we were in or out of the EU. Better to stand united against threats than split and hope they don't come bashing on our door.
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I will be voting to remain in.
It's my opinion that the choice should not have been given to us to start with - Most voters (including myself) will not fully understand the implications of leaving (or staying) in the EU. As I am no economic expert, I will be voting to remain in our present situation.
There's been dirty, underhand tactics applied on both fronts - Misquoting celebrities and quoting massively inflated figures spring to mind.
If we wasn't part of the EU 7/7 wouldn't never have happened? Cos he wouldn't have been able to come over here in the first place.
:uhm:
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If UK is out of europe? Does that mean people in Europe must apply for visum to visit UK? just like USA or? haha im confused
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If UK is out of europe? Does that mean people in Europe must apply for visum to visit UK? just like USA or? haha im confused
Essentially, yep. Plus a lot of experts believe that it could be the crumbling point of the EU, leading to eventual breakup.
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If UK is out of europe? Does that mean people in Europe must apply for visum to visit UK? just like USA or? haha im confused
Yes
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could be the crumbling point of the EU, leading to eventual breakup.
We can only hope.
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League of Nations.
I take this one back, there was more to it.
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We can only hope.
Must say, I have to agree with this. I am 50/50 tho. I do not know the consequenses for a country if stepping out of the EU is a thing. I'm glad this referendum isn't held in the Netherlands tho. We had enough bullshit with the Ukranian thing :lol:
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Essentially, yep. Plus a lot of experts believe that it could be the crumbling point of the EU, leading to eventual breakup.
daayum haha then poor those people which wants to study in UK. Its going be hard for them i guess
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Must say, I have to agree with this. I am 50/50 tho. I do not know the consequenses for a country if stepping out of the EU is a thing. I'm glad this referendum isn't held in the Netherlands tho. We had enough bullshit with the Ukranian thing :lol:
Depends on what agreements can be put into place. It'll be easier for the UK than say, France, because the UK uses it's own currency and not the Euro. So at least we have less to worry about from that perspective.
We'd be looking at losing 40% of our imports/exports, but with luck we *might* be able to negotiate at least most of these back if we left.
Honestly I think we'd be leaping off a diving board into a half filled swimming pool. Too many assumptions and not enough plans at the moment!
People forget the origins of the EU. It was born in a dark age, a war torn Europe resulting in the death of millions from 1914-1918, and 1939-1945. Two generations lost to hate, and poison. If the EU has even the tiniest part to play in the prevention of a world war (which I'd say it has), then I'm 100% behind it.
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daayum haha then poor those people which wants to study in UK. Its going be hard for them i guess
It doesn't stop the hundreds of Chinese students in my city which they've had to build 2 new student accommodation blocks for, and now they are building a third which will be Wales tallest building. :rolleyes:
We'd be looking at losing 40% of our imports/exports, but with luck we *might* be able to negotiate at least most of these back if we left.
I really don't think we would, in my eyes it would be something we would definitely keep, think about it, 65 million people in the UK, imagine you had a country like France and suddenly you get cut off from trading with that many people, it would be a huge blow to their economy.
Honestly I think we'd be leaping off a diving board into a half filled swimming pool at the moment. Too many assumptions and not enough plans at the moment!
As always with our government, they won't make plans until something happens or hits them in the face.
People forget the origins of the EU. It was born in a dark age, a war torn Europe resulting in the death of millions from 1914-1918, and 1939-1945. Two generations lost to hate, and poison. If the EU has even the tiniest part to play in the prevention of a world war (which I'd say it has), then I'm 100% behind it.
It was born as a trade union which the UK's population completely supported, what it turned into was what we have today, which not all of the UK support.
The globalized economy stops wars from happening, not the EU.
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Exchange rate from GPB to EUR has gone up to 1.30 :bananav:
Was close to exchanging rates last week when it was 1.25. Looks like I'm getting more moooooolah
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Hah, that's because of a surge in the "Remain" opinion polls.
The bookies seem to be betting on us staying in the EU. Bet365 have got 1:7 odds (£11.43 return on a £10 bet) on us staying in the EU, much higher return if we leave.
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(http://i.imgur.com/7rJjMot.png)
These charts are always fake
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The odds aren't ;)
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It's about time Michael Gove left anyway. Looking forward to his resignation! :D
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Voted out cos not a deluded goverment fucktard.
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Voted out cos not a deluded goverment fucktard.
Well you aren't government, that much is true :D
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Well you aren't government, that much is true :D
Goverment fucktard, someone who practicly asslicks the current UK gov.
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Goverment fucktard, someone who practicly asslicks the current UK gov.
Government** practically**
At least I didn't blame the EU for the 7/7 bombings :neutral2:
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Government** practically**
At least I didn't blame the EU for the 7/7 bombings :neutral2:
Oi oi grammar nazis behave, continue to be brainwashed, like the way this countries heading?
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I'm amazed seeing the amount of "Leave" posters in peoples windows today, despite all of the Remain leaflets that were spammed through our letter boxes, half of which are somehow blowing around the street. :rolleyes:
Despite that I'm guessing it will be a remain outcome we wake up to tomorrow morning. :neutral2:
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Despite that I'm guessing it will be a remain outcome we wake up to tomorrow morning. :neutral2:
Yeah its nice to dream of us leaving, but eh we will stay cos its rigged to fuck just like everything.
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Yeah its nice to dream of us leaving, but eh we will stay cos its rigged to fuck just like everything.
Nah it isn't rigged, it's just that Remain's scaremongering campaign was better than Leave's scaremongering campaign, it was also aided by people from countries like Germany, France and the US who out right threatened the British public without even a word from our spineless Prime Minister, disgusting blackmail all round.
I would have loved to see Cameron and Osborne resign after a Leave vote, doubt we'll get to see it though.
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https://www.facebook.com/leaveeuofficial/videos/974816739283234/
EU makes it extremely difficult to deport illegal immigrants like these once they have arrived. We are not allowed to send them back to France, as we could outside the EU – instead, they have to be returned to the country they entered the EU from.
Often it is impossible to find out where this was, and the procedure is so complex that the Home Office has to give up. Twenty-thousand illegal immigrants had to be granted leave to remain because of these EU rules in 2015 alone, and the situation will not improve if we stay in.
This is one of the reason why I voted to leave the EU, we wouldn't have so many immigrants here if we weren't restricted by EU laws. It sucks.
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Why should we give our money to these immigrants who refuse to work and claim benefits? Ridiculous. Yes I'm not British but me and my family have worked very hard to get where we are now. For instance, my old man is now mortgage free after paying off the 250k mortgage he got in '05.
Majority of the immigrants are here simply to make quick money through blackmarket jobs/benefits to make a 12 bedroom mansion back home and drive a 2016 Benz. Why am I paying for a Romanian to go back home 2 years later and live life in a mansion?
I voted out. Part of me wants to vote in purely because I need £3000 converted to Euros and Kuna for my holiday coming up :lol:
Expect crazy short term crisis boys
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Not to mention most of our money being sent abroad to countries rather then it being used within the UK for services such as NHS. Seems that Cameron was always a muppet who simply follows the rest.
Let's not give up what our grandparents and further fighted for throughout the wars, just to trade it in for benefits in reality we can deal without.
(No offence to anyone before I say this)
Albania and Turkey next in line for joins with the European Union. Now Turkey is already a gate way to Syria and being a European country instantly puts us at threat by giving Turkey that card it means the threat is higher then it already is. Oh not to mention the £2 billion we are giving to Albania and Turkey to help join.
My main dream would be to first get the fuck out,and join the Australians with this border control method.
I may be stupid as fuck.
But I do have thought and logic and not being funny by choosing Remain you are taking the gamble of not even having control of your own country in the future. Think ahead. I'm pretty sure Switzerland for example are doing fine.
Prevention before cure.
About the 7/7 shit the other day, I didn't mean the bombers themselves I meant the greater organizers. Nice small mind.
Majority of the immigrants are here simply to make quick money through blackmarket jobs/benefits to make a 12 bedroom mansion back home and drive a 2016 Benz. Why am I paying for a Romanian to go back home 2 years later and live life in a mansion?
Legend lmao
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https://www.facebook.com/leaveeuofficial/videos/974816739283234/
EU makes it extremely difficult to deport illegal immigrants like these once they have arrived. We are not allowed to send them back to France, as we could outside the EU – instead, they have to be returned to the country they entered the EU from.
Often it is impossible to find out where this was, and the procedure is so complex that the Home Office has to give up. Twenty-thousand illegal immigrants had to be granted leave to remain because of these EU rules in 2015 alone, and the situation will not improve if we stay in.
This is one of the reason why I voted to leave the EU, we wouldn't have so many immigrants here if we weren't restricted by EU laws. It sucks.
Surprised to see a Scottish person saying this with the huge amount of lefty UK haters in Scotland.
Expect crazy short term crisis boys
I'm expecting to wake up tomorrow morning and see David Cameron gloating on BBC News about what a glorious victory he's won and how prosperous the UK will be in the EU, I can see it now.
Albania and Turkey next in line for joins with the European Union. Now Turkey is already a gate way to Syria and being a European country instantly puts us at threat by giving Turkey that card it means the threat is higher then it already is. Oh not to mention the £2 billion we are giving to Albania and Turkey to help join.
And before anyone mentions veto's, the EU is doing everything it can to keep Turkey happy as it is now in order to keep sending refugees back there since the rest of Europe is choked by them and can't take any more, funny thing is, it's pretty much the EU and fucking Merkel which encouraged them to come here in the first place, all the while not giving a shit about their own people.
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I'm expecting to wake up tomorrow morning and see David Cameron gloating on BBC News about what a glorious victory he's won and how prosperous the UK will be in the EU, I can see it now.
Short term that would make my morning (as I mentioned I need £3k to convert to Euros and pounds are climbing back up :D) but also dejected because I have to still deal with these immigrants. Worst thing is when they come on the train and beg for money infront of you whilst I am en route work. Ironic, right?
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So when the software architect on my team struggles to get a role here, who's going to replace them, you guys?
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Short term that would make my morning (as I mentioned I need £3k to convert to Euros and pounds are climbing back up :D) but also dejected because I have to still deal with these immigrants. Worst thing is when they come on the train and beg for money infront of you whilst I am en route work. Ironic, right?
Racist!
So when the software architect on my team struggles to get a role here, who's going to replace them, you guys?
Why does he need replacing if he can't even get a job? :rolleyes:
Perhaps if there weren't so many foreign workers here he'd have one, also Julio why is everything you've said on this topic 'my friend', you appear to have alot of friends involved with every possible reason when it comes to staying in the EU...
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Racist!
Elaborate?
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Elaborate?
I'm just trying to imitate your average lefty Remain voter...
If you disagree with them, you are racist!
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Racist!
Why does he need replacing if he can't even get a job? :rolleyes:
Perhaps if there weren't so many foreign workers here he'd have one, also Julio why is everything you've said on this topic 'my friend', you appear to have alot of friends involved with every possible reason when it comes to staying in the EU...
I work for a French company with over 150,000 people worldwide, stands to reason I know workers from inside, and outside the EU. Lol.
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I work for a French company with over 150,000 people worldwide, stands to reason I know workers from inside, and outside the EU. Lol.
Oui oui
Results are starting to come in.
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52% leave vote at the mo, gonna be close for sure...
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52% leave vote at the mo, gonna be close for sure...
I think as soon as bigger areas like London come into the count it will wipe the floor with Leave. :neutral2:
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We've had a couple of unpredictable results so far though, I reckon this could swing either way now!
Here we both are, thinking the opposite side to what we support is gonna win, Brits eh
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y60wDzZt8yg
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Intense.
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(ss taken 1 min before this post)
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Looks like it's going to be closer than the 2000 US Presidential election. :neutral2:
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Well this is the most important vote of your guyses lifetime, so I hope you really voted for what you believe in. Personally I would rather see you stay just because if you leave it will be years before the trade routes with EU normalize, the economy normalizes.. god.. now other people will start leaving.
Worst of all I know we will never leave, I never had a vote if we should join the EU.
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Even though I'm a U.S. Southerner, I'm very interested in how it turns out. At the time I'm posting this, it looks very likely that the United Kingdom will leave the European Union. Right now, The New York Times, ITV News, BBC, and Sky News have all projected that the "Leave the EU" vote will win with a margin of over 1,000,000 votes.
This has to be one of the biggest historical events I will ever see in my life, and from the way it looks, it looks like the European Union will now fall apart.
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The prison camp known as the EU is on its knees, UK has left the building.
The only problem for UK, is that this is gonna be the end of the UK as we know it, as well.
63 % of Scotland voted to stay in the EU, so a new referendum about Scotland independence has to happen. Not only that Scots voted to stay in the EU, yet its the biggest percentage of votes for staying in the EU, in the entire UK.
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Congratulations Britain!
:app: :app:
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Good job my Anglo Saxon friends :war:
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So, I suck at these stuff right, but I'm interested to know a little more. What happens now that UK left?
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Game fucking set played bye bye :lol: :lol:
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Game fucking set played bye bye :lol: :lol:
:lol:
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According to a YouGov poll, the following voting patterns emerged:
18-24: 75% Remain
25-49: 56% Remain
50-64: 44% Remain
65+: 39% Remain
This was decided by the older people, as usual. Stocks have already taken a hit.
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Can't believe what I just woke up to, seriously did not look like the UK would vote to leave this week.
Now, get the fuck out David Cameron, get the fuck out George Osborne, and fuck you Jeremy Corbyn, who supported leaving the EU before he became Labour leader.
Get your popcorn and enjoy as the EU begins to crumble.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36615879
So, I suck at these stuff right, but I'm interested to know a little more. What happens now that UK left?
We retake control of our own borders, our own laws, our own trade and hopefully become a much more prosperous self ruled country, we'll have to get straight to negotiating trade agreements and deporting all of the fake refugees that are sneaking in back to France.
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And I believe that was Nigel Farage admitting on television that he lied about the 350 million a week going to the NHS.
The uneducated are the majority. I guess we knew that already.
Stivi. Our pay checks reduced in value by 10% overnight. Leaving has already cost the country more than the EU membership fees for 5 years.
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And I believe that was Nigel Farage admitting on television that he lied about the 350 million a week going to the NHS.
The uneducated are the majority. I guess we knew that already.
Stivi. Our pay checks reduced in value by 10% overnight. Leaving has already cost the country more than the EU membership fees for 5 years.
He didn't mean just the NHS delueded.
You've got to deal with it now lad.
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And I believe that was Nigel Farage admitting on television that he lied about the 350 million a week going to the NHS.
Source? I'd like to see that...
The uneducated are the majority. I guess we knew that already.
Or perhaps the majority spent too much time caring about their own wallet than their own country.
Stivi. Our pay checks reduced in value by 10% overnight. Leaving has already cost the country more than the EU membership fees for 5 years.
Funny! My wage is still the same! :rolleyes:
And this is what I mean when I talk about Remain voters caring too much about their own wallet, it's all money money money and nothing else.
Meanwhile, I assume Scotlands version of Angel Merkel (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Nicola_Sturgeon.jpg) will start crying for another Scottish Indy Ref.
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Congratulations on regaining your sovereignty.
Brussels' wet dream called the United States of Europe has been disrupted. Looking forward to a(n) Auxit, Frexit, Nexit, etc.
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Good job lads. :app:
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The uneducated are the majority. I guess we knew that already.
Source?
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We retake control of our own borders, our own laws, our own trade and hopefully become a much more prosperous self ruled country, we'll have to get straight to negotiating trade agreements and deporting all of the fake refugees that are sneaking in back to France.
But doesn't leaving the EU mean you won't be able to trade in Europe as you would do normally?
18-24: 75% Remain
25-49: 56% Remain
50-64: 44% Remain
65+: 39% Remain
This was decided by the older people, as usual. Stocks have already taken a hit.
Retired people should probably not even vote, this isn't their future? (Note: this may or may not be a flawed thought.)
Stivi. Our pay checks reduced in value by 10% overnight. Leaving has already cost the country more than the EU membership fees for 5 years.
Aw shit. But, since no more EU membership fees, taxes will drop?
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Aw shit. But, since no more EU membership fees, taxes will drop?
George Osbourne has already said taxes will increase. As will mortgage repayments. The official statement from the Bank of England will be released on Monday.
Source? I'd like to see that...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/nigel-farage-350-million-pledge-to-fund-the-nhs-was-a-mistake/
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And then the Scottish people will ask for independence again since they wanna stay in EU and so will begin the ending of UK.
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Yeah indeed. I think the knee-jerk reaction of Scotland will be to leave... but the EU will be significantly weaker without Britain in it, it would be foolish for Scotland to "go solo" then try and get membership into an EU in turmoil.
Someone posted a petition online asking for another referendum... I'm all for the remain camp, but that's not how it works... we've voted out, end of, time to deal with it!
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Been reading some shit on the internet can a brit confirm the following facts?
''Once Britain invokes Article 50, it will have a two-year window in which to negotiate a new treaty to replace the terms of EU membership. Britain and EU leaders would have to hash out issues like trade tariffs, migration, and the regulation of everything from cars to agriculture.''
''In the short run, uncertainty about Britain’s future relationship with the EU, its largest trading partner, could push the UK into a recession. ''
''In the long run, the situation could be worse. If Cameron’s government falls, Britain’s prospects of negotiating a favorable deal with the EU could be weakened.''
Not even going to talk about migrants..
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Been reading some shit on the internet can a brit confirm the following facts?
''Once Britain invokes Article 50, it will have a two-year window in which to negotiate a new treaty to replace the terms of EU membership. Britain and EU leaders would have to hash out issues like trade tariffs, migration, and the regulation of everything from cars to agriculture.''
''In the short run, uncertainty about Britain’s future relationship with the EU, its largest trading partner, could push the UK into a recession. ''
''In the long run, the situation could be worse. If Cameron’s government falls, Britain’s prospects of negotiating a favorable deal with the EU could be weakened.''
Not even going to talk about migrants..
1. True
2. True
3. True
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-how-the-results-compare-to-the-uks-educated-old-an/
Statistics show that:
A) The uneducated were more likely to favour exit
B) The elderly were more likely to favour exit
Final YouGov poll showed 72% of young people wanted to remain in the UK. Now the young people have to deal with the shit the older people have left us with. Final parting gift?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/young-voters-wanted-brexit-least-8271517
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1. True
2. True
3. True
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-how-the-results-compare-to-the-uks-educated-old-an/
Statistics show that:
A) The uneducated were more likely to favour exit
B) The elderly were more likely to favour exit
Final YouGov poll showed 72% of young people wanted to remain in the UK. Now the young people have to deal with the shit the older people have left us with. Final parting gift?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/young-voters-wanted-brexit-least-8271517
Thats fucking sad.. because of the old.. and the uneducated you have to live with it for who knows how long.
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Finally, a country that dared to defy the German imperialism. Cheers UK :app:
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Dedicating this to UK..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gtGRWgKJWt4
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24eu-referendum-how-the-results-compare-to-the-uks-educated-old-an/
Statistics show that:
A) The uneducated were more likely to favour exit
B) The elderly were more likely to favour exit
Where do I read "the uneducated"? Stop denigrating people.
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Where do I read "the uneducated"? Stop denigrating people.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/eu-referendum-which-type-of-person-wants-to-leave-and-who-will-b/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/eu-referendum-which-type-of-person-wants-to-leave-and-who-will-b/)
Scroll down a bit.. then again i don't know much regarding the subject.
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It's not such a great problem that the UK chose the Brexit, to leave the EU. It's not a problem to use the passport instead of the visa that people receive at some age(in my country we receive it after the age becomes 14). Well, on the bright side, the British Pound will become less valuable, maybe at the state of the Euro or of a dollar, and that means more shopping opportunities for some people who have Euros or other currency. I understand the illegal immigrant problem, but don't involve legal hard-working people, as well. Kaze said on the topic that "Romanians build masions" after 2 years in the UK. Totally FALSE! But, you do know that the Brexit will not be overnight. It will be after some years, maybe 5, maybe 2, maybe 7. So, you still are in the EU for some time. Oh, yes, people have to blame something for bad things. 40-50 year-olds in my country(Romania), blame the EU for turning their country into a country without factories, that has to import "s**t"(that's what they claim in private, in their homes and in their minds). Many Romanians think that communism was way better. We know that always new things are "CRAZY" for many people, but it doesn't mean that it is worse, nor better. Nostalgia wouldn't bring back the past or bring a new hope. The only factor to decide is the avarage unaware citizen, who likes to blame someone for everything. Iliescu was the biggest mistake in Romania, and we can't go back in time to fix that now. But, it doesn't mean that the citizens need to make boring protests and complain on Facebook(Sorry that I went a bit off topic). So, the UK can become a better place for everyone. Maybe you should start considering other jobs than the ones everyone want. Why don't you try working in cleaning the city or some farming? It never hurt anyone. But it doesn't mean that you have to leave uneducated people become sewer cleaners, street cleaners, farmers and so on. Oh, and don't try to put nationalities at some level. Citizens of a country are different, so, it doesn't mean that all Romanians come to the UK to be lazy.
Oh, and maybe, instead of talking on this topic, maybe the British players of Argonath could go on the streets and see what the real problems are, then, try to think of solutions with the communities around them. I'm just saying. Oh, and, I appreciate that the British care about voting(75% of the British citizens is a lot). Meanwhile, when Romania had local elections a few weeks ago, the voting count in the whole country was around 44% or so(not even 50%), and most of them were people around 60-80 years. So, no wonder they chose bad, only the people they have heard of or they have seen on propaganda news channels(those aren't supposed to be on TV, at all). Sorry again for going off-topic.
To end this, I think that it won't affect the EU that much, and that the EU should rethink its' rules and plans, and the British to try to be more understanding and to know people better. Oh, and to kick out all the illegal immigrants, who didn't come with any paper with them. Some really need to be kicked out.
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Dedicating this to UK..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gtGRWgKJWt4
HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA YOU ARE A FAILURE HAHAHHA
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We retake control of our own borders, our own laws, our own trade and hopefully become a much more prosperous self ruled country, we'll have to get straight to negotiating trade agreements and deporting all of the fake refugees that are sneaking in back to France.
GL trying to become a more prosperous country. Your currency dropped to its lowest since 1985, you guys ditched your traditional buddies (who have moved to adjust their own trade) when you opted for European trade preferences when you joined the EU and you guys are likely to lose your AAA Credit Rating. I can't imagine anyone winning financially out of this deal, personally I'm predicting they'll be another world recession. 1/1 :app: :app: :app: :app: :app: :app: :app: :app: :app: :app: :app:
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Leave had lots of slogans and shit to say prior to this but now when you ask them what is the plan they piss themselves and don't know shit or what to do. And now with this you probably ended up destroying UK too with Scotland wanting another referendum vote.
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The final blow to a country that was once the greatest. The effects are already visible with a crashing market (even worldwide) and unstable value in your currency. The bank can totally correct it... but at what cost to the economy's long term outlook. Well done, Brits. Well done.
Don't get me wrong: the principles of the EU, it's failed policies and outdated need is undeniably a joke; and leaving isn't that bad of a choice but one thing you have failed to understand is the delicate global economy and it's investors that do not like change. The economy of the world is not easily tampered with. The repercussions of this could have a lasting impact on the UK. Mainly if the UK's AAA rating is revoked, that would be even more billions lost in potential investors... on top of the billions you've already lost last night alone.
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Hahahahahah
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE
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Hahahahahah
There's more!
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And then there's Trump...
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Where do I read "the uneducated"? Stop denigrating people.
It's there, read it.
It's a sweeping generalisation and of course there are exceptions. But if you saw a plotted set of results like that in a scientific experiment you could 100% call it a positive correlation, despite outliers.
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There's more!
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And then there's Trump...
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The banter is on point. Although we shouldn't be joking about something that could drastically change the world.. but that's for further generations to fix. We can all have a good laugh about it.
All in all I'm just glad I'm alive to witness something like this. Hopefully Slovenia will leave the EU at some point too, we gotta get off this sinking ship. The sooner the better.
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I'm hoping that it shakes the EU up a bit, and they issue a counter-offer to the UK. Parliament already has to debate a second referendum.
Not that I agree with a second referendum. What's done is done. Lots of people who voted "Leave" as a protest vote thinking we'd never actually leave are shitting themselves though.
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Having a 50/50 poll with something so important to a country is never a good idea in my opinion, either make sure a vast majority wants to vote in to a certain direction, then look towards the options instead of promising 'If this passes we'll leave the EU'.
My facebook is full of people celebrating but more than half of them don't even know what's gonna change and how it's gonna make 'Great Britain great again'.
I don't really involve myself in to politics too much but seeing some people talk about how this is going to better their life just makes me face palm in real life.
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Having a 50/50 poll with something so important to a country is never a good idea in my opinion, either make sure a vast majority wants to vote in to a certain direction, then look towards the options instead of promising 'If this passes we'll leave the EU'.
My facebook is full of people celebrating but more than half of them don't even know what's gonna change and how it's gonna make 'Great Britain great again'.
I don't really involve myself in to politics too much but seeing some people talk about how this is going to better their life just makes me face palm in real life.
Oh but don't worry, it's okay. Agatha who works down the local shop voted out, so it's obviously the right thing to do.
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Julio, can you provide a real source that majority of those who voted to leave are uneducated?
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Julio, can you provide a real source that majority of those who voted to leave are uneducated?
No. Don't misquote me. We've had enough of that from both sides.
Statistics show that:
A) The uneducated were more likely to favour exit
B) The elderly were more likely to favour exit
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Julio, can you provide a real source that majority of those who voted to leave are uneducated?
And to follow up on the statement that those with a higher level of education were more likely to vote remain.
I didn't say "All people who voted leave are uneducated." I said that uneducated people were more likely to vote leave. We can clearly see that some educated people voted to leave, and some uneducated voted to remain also.
I simply noted a correlation between voting leave, and education level.
Source:
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/21/yougov-referendum-model/
And if you don't want to scroll through the page to find the diagram:
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Scotland can go too tbh..
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According to a YouGov poll, the following voting patterns emerged:
18-24: 75% Remain
25-49: 56% Remain
50-64: 44% Remain
65+: 39% Remain
This was decided by the older people, as usual. Stocks have already taken a hit.
So apparently 20 year old people are highly educated, that's very impressive for that age.
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I can see you're not a statistician mate.
They're independent, different statistics.
What we can say though, is that if you fall under the following categories, it's nearly certain you voted remain:
1. 18-24 years old
2. Level 4 education or higher
3. Labour party supporter
And FYI, it's easy to get a Level 4 qualification by the time you're 18.
And:
http://www.joe.co.uk/news/youre-going-to-be-hearing-a-lot-about-article-50-heres-what-you-need-to-know/68977
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So apparently 20 year old people are highly educated, that's very impressive for that age.
Yea, polls aren't impartially and fairly answered.
Elderly are generally less educated due to the lack of economic recources and pressure to achieve in their time. Given the fact that such a high percentage of elderly voted leave, explains the outcome.
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What does Level 4 fall under? Uni? I'm 20, in Uni and Conservative. I voted out too.
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Julio get over it lad.
Btw, my borough voted mostly out and funny enough most was foreign based :lol:
Im one for the upper generation if the older generation say its worse now then it was before then you go with them because bascilly they expirenced before and after the EU.
What does Level 4 fall under? Uni? I'm 20, in Uni and Conservative. I voted out too.
I did Level 3 Extended Diploma in IT, 20 years old and work in a hospital cleaning plates. Now I cannot vote cos im a fucking retard according to Julio. :lol:
If Scotland go for independence from UK to go to EU that would mean we would have to... wait for it....
BUILD A WALL!
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Now I cannot vote cos im a fucking retard according to Julio. :lol:
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People are getting a bit salty... so here's some more dank fun.
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What does Level 4 fall under? Uni? I'm 20, in Uni and Conservative. I voted out too.
Well that fits mate. If you looked at the graph you could see that 50% of people with a Level 4+ education voted out if they were conservative. So though you fall into the 25% of the 18-24 category, there's still a significant proportion of 18-24 year old conservative voters who voted leave.
I did Level 3 Extended Diploma in IT, 20 years old and work in a hospital cleaning plates. Now I cannot vote cos im a fucking retard according to Julio. :lol:
I didn't say you couldn't vote mate.
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UK going get a new prime minister? Saw on swedish media that David Cameron going resign if im correct
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UK going get a new prime minister? Saw on swedish media that David Cameron going resign if im correct
Yeah. Will be decided hopefully by the conservative party conference October 2016.
Guessing Michael Gove or Boris Johnson. Some people voted out of the EU so "unelected politicians" couldn't control our laws. Now we're getting an unelected Prime Minister. The irony.
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But doesn't leaving the EU mean you won't be able to trade in Europe as you would do normally?
We will negotiate new trade agreements, which the EU will accept, unless they want to lose trade with 65million people which would just be stupid and a massive blow to their own economies.
Retired people should probably not even vote, this isn't their future? (Note: this may or may not be a flawed thought.)
Retired people are human too, my grandfather voted to leave, he knows what the UK was like before the EU and probably saw it in a much better state than it ever was within the EU.
Aw shit. But, since no more EU membership fees, taxes will drop?
Well if our cunt of a Chancellor George Osborne stays in (though he should resign for his disgusting threat to the British people) then taxes will likely go up, but I'm hoping he'll resign and someone actually useful who can contribute to the UK will get his position.
And then the Scottish people will ask for independence again since they wanna stay in EU and so will begin the ending of UK.
Funny thing is, the hag Nicola Sturgeon told them that staying in the UK (during the Scottish Indy referendum) would result in the rest of the UK pulling them out of the EU, despite that Scotland still voted to stay as part of the UK and as a result will be out of the EU with the rest of the UK, the UK is what they voted for though so nobody can moan, though Scotland's First Minister won't recognise that and shut the fuck up, the SNP are a real bitter bunch.
Yeah indeed. I think the knee-jerk reaction of Scotland will be to leave... but the EU will be significantly weaker without Britain in it, it would be foolish for Scotland to "go solo" then try and get membership into an EU in turmoil.
Couldn't agree more! The EU will likely start to crumble from this point onwards, they are losing a gigantic contributor and it probably won't be long until more EU countries have their own referendums.
I think what Europe needs more than anything is what the EU was originally meant to be, we should revert it back to a trade union or just create one from scratch, no free movement, no laws or politics, just pure trade, and of course a big military alliance wouldn't hurt.
Statistics show that:
A) The uneducated were more likely to favour exit
B) The elderly were more likely to favour exit
Final YouGov poll showed 72% of young people wanted to remain in the UK. Now the young people have to deal with the shit the older people have left us with. Final parting gift?
I think it's disgusting that people are bashing the elderly like this, they have been around much longer than all of us, they know what the UK was like before the EU and probably saw it as more successful outside, how would you like it to be told you can't vote in a referendum because you're too old? Talk about shitting on the people who've made this country, and by saying that, I mean we all make this country, we all contribute to it and we all in some way effect how it will be in the next 100 years, as will the next generation and the one after them.
Their votes count just as much as ours.
Thats fucking sad.. because of the old.. and the uneducated you have to live with it for who knows how long.
It isn't sad, it's democracy, we will live with it, get used to it, and build a better UK with it.
GL trying to become a more prosperous country. Your currency dropped to its lowest since 1985, you guys ditched your traditional buddies (who have moved to adjust their own trade) when you opted for European trade preferences when you joined the EU and you guys are likely to lose your AAA Credit Rating. I can't imagine anyone winning financially out of this deal, personally I'm predicting they'll be another world recession. 1/1
Everything will recover in the coming months, for starters, everything continues as normal from this point on for the next 2 years whilst the UK negotiates with the EU, the trade, free movement, etc, everything carries on as it did 1 week ago, in the time things will recover, and once negotiating is over, it can only get better.
The EU will not shut us out in negotiations, it is in their best interests for us all to recover.
Leave had lots of slogans and shit to say prior to this but now when you ask them what is the plan they piss themselves and don't know shit or what to do. And now with this you probably ended up destroying UK too with Scotland wanting another referendum vote.
As I said above, Scotland voted to stay in the UK despite being told by the SNP that we'd likely pull them out of the EU with us, they voted to remain as part of the UK and now we'll all leave the EU together, it is what Scotland wanted during the Scottish Independence Referendum and any new referendum should wait until the chaotic time that we're all in now is sorted out.
The final blow to a country that was once the greatest. The effects are already visible with a crashing market (even worldwide) and unstable value in your currency. The bank can totally correct it... but at what cost to the economy's long term outlook. Well done, Brits. Well done.
Still is the greatest, nobody else in Europe had the balls to walk out of this sham of a union.
A serious well done to the UK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE
:lol: That's so awesome.
All in all I'm just glad I'm alive to witness something like this. Hopefully Slovenia will leave the EU at some point too, we gotta get off this sinking ship. The sooner the better.
Good luck to Slovenia then, perhaps when the EU falls we can all create an actual trade union.
UK going get a new prime minister? Saw on swedish media that David Cameron going resign if im correct
Hopefully it'll be Boris Johnson, he's a real people person, someone who actually cares for the UK.
It's a shame the EU didn't want to hear any of the UK's offers for negotiating a better position for us inside the EU, they were told we'd have a referendum and they still didn't listen and now they have got themselves in a right mess, as for Cameron, in the last general elections he promised the UK a referendum on the EU if his party got into power again, he did that to get more right wing votes but he did it blindly thinking it'd be an easy win and that the UK would remain in the EU, that is where he screwed up big time, he lost and it's only right that he resigns, I honestly think Boris is the one who could solve this mess though, he's generally a very likable person and the EU would have a hard time saying no to him, in my head anyway.
It's clear that this is a right messy time for the UK and the EU and sitting around moaning about and shitting on 'retarded leave voters' and the elderly isn't going to solve it, nor is Scotland's SNP crying for another Indy Ref, the whole UK needs to stand united now in order to stick our economy back on track and have successful negotiations with the EU.
Sorry for the large post, I had work to go to today and unlike some predicted, my wage stayed the same, my company didn't go broke and close down, nobody got fired and it was a normal fucking day.
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my wage stayed the same, my company didn't go broke and close down, nobody got fired and it was a normal fucking day.
Well of course it didn't go down. That's not how it works. It means that ANYTHING we import will be more expensive. You won't earn less, but shit will cost more.
Boris Johnson for PM? He's a dangerous man with dangerous opinions...
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Well of course it didn't go down. That's not how it works. It means that ANYTHING we import will be more expensive. You won't earn less, but shit will cost more.
Weren't you moaning about pay decreasing 10% this morning...? :rolleyes:
And everything will stay the same price for now, imported and exported, we haven't left the EU yet.
Boris Johnson for PM? He's a dangerous man with dangerous opinions...
Sounds like a good leader to me.
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Well of course it didn't go down. That's not how it works. It means that ANYTHING we import will be more expensive. You won't earn less, but shit will cost more.
Boris Johnson for PM? He's a dangerous man with dangerous opinions...
You've been crying a full 12 hours now. Give it a rest.
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We will negotiate new trade agreements, which the EU will accept, unless they want to lose trade with 65million people which would just be stupid and a massive blow to their own economies.
Retired people are human too, my grandfather voted to leave, he knows what the UK was like before the EU and probably saw it in a much better state than it ever was within the EU.
I'm sure they appreciate you leaving EU and will let you continue whatever you were doing while in EU.
Your grandfather is old, he knows the past not the future. I just hope he was very well updated with latest changes in the economy and policies and he made a right decision when he voted out.
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Why should we give our money to these immigrants who refuse to work and claim benefits? Ridiculous. Yes I'm not British but me and my family have worked very hard to get where we are now. For instance, my old man is now mortgage free after paying off the 250k mortgage he got in '05.
Majority of the immigrants are here simply to make quick money through blackmarket jobs/benefits to make a 12 bedroom mansion back home and drive a 2016 Benz. Why am I paying for a Romanian to go back home 2 years later and live life in a mansion?
Hypocrit.
So, I suck at these stuff right, but I'm interested to know a little more. What happens now that UK left?
Things can go wild, there's not a person in the world that can predict the concequences of this.
I rate it as much as the Fall of the Berlin Wall.
The final blow to a country that was once the greatest. The effects are already visible with a crashing market (even worldwide) and unstable value in your currency. The bank can totally correct it... but at what cost to the economy's long term outlook. Well done, Brits. Well done.
Don't get me wrong: the principles of the EU, it's failed policies and outdated need is undeniably a joke; and leaving isn't that bad of a choice but one thing you have failed to understand is the delicate global economy and it's investors that do not like change. The economy of the world is not easily tampered with. The repercussions of this could have a lasting impact on the UK. Mainly if the UK's AAA rating is revoked, that would be even more billions lost in potential investors... on top of the billions you've already lost last night alone.
I hope you ain't talking about EU here. If you're talking about UK, I agree, its doomed as much as the EU.
And what Teddy wrote is just the beginning, the geo-political specter is changing, this isn't an accident, yet a well developed plan for the future of our world. EU just lost a big ass sponsor(3rd sponsor after Germany and France), and most important, a big ass market.
You can expect a stronger partnership with Russia because of this. And a big ass reaction because of that.
Basically lots of actions and lots of reaction worldwide are gonna happen because of this, and its gonna fuck us even more up, when it comes to economy, that 2008 might look as a fairy tale.
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I hope you ain't talking about EU here.
Probably not considering the EU has never been great.
You can expect a stronger partnership with Russia because of this. And a big ass reaction because of that.
You what? :uhm:
Basically lots of actions and lots of reaction worldwide are gonna happen because of this, and its gonna fuck us even more up, when it comes to economy, that 2008 might look as a fairy tale.
Everything will stabilize within a few months, the UK will remain in the EU for a couple years to come and in that time negotiations will likely be successful considering the fact they have to be if Europe and the EU is going to recover from this.
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You what? :uhm:
Yep. Germany, France and Italy were constantly trying to raise the relationship with Russia to partnership, but mostly 'under the radar' because Uncle Sam would just teach them all a lesson, as soon as they would go further with it.
Now they have a good and existential reason for it to push it harder, while the USA just got a bit slapped by this, as their influence didn't prevail. In the same time Russia is forcing the "EuroAsian Union", in which EU and ex SSSR countries, would become one big economic organization, it might not be realistic in the next 10 years, but in future, economy says it is.
You got tehology on the West, and you got gas, oil, metals, and other resources on the East, if Europe is to survive the global race in economy vs the big economic giants that are rising non stop(China, India, etc), they'll have to do it with Russia and other countries around her.
Its a process that's already been happening for years (north steam route, south steam route), hence the sanctions against Russia were forced out inside EU, to stop that process for a while.
Now, the process can continue.
Everything will stabilize within a few months, the UK will remain in the EU for a couple years to come and in that time negotiations will likely be successful considering the fact they have to be if Europe and the EU is going to recover from this.
Don't be so naive. That's like saying "Everything will stabilize within a few months, East Germany is gonna stay in the USSR for a couple of years, and they're all just gonna work out a deal" in 1989.
That's not how geopolitics works out in reality.
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Yep. Germany, France and Italy were constantly trying to raise the relationship with Russia to partnership, but mostly 'under the radar' because Uncle Sam would just teach them all a lesson, as soon as they would go further with it.
You think at a time when the EU is struggling and has quite a few anti-Russian countries within it along with Ukraine trying to join, they are going to decide to strengthen ties with Russia? Yeah right.
Now they have a good and existential reason for it to push it harder, while the USA just got a bit slapped by this, as their influence didn't prevail. In the same time Russia is forcing the "EuroAsian Union", in which EU and ex SSSR countries, would become one big economic organization, it might not be realistic in the next 10 years, but in future, economy says it is.
I need some of that stuff Russians are smoking.
You got tehology on the West, and you got gas, oil, metals, and other resources on the East, if Europe is to survive the global race in economy vs the big economic giants that are rising non stop(China, India, etc), they'll have to do it with Russia and other countries around her.
Well thankfully the UK will soon be able to trade with whoever the fuck we want without having to run it through the EU first, I guess we'll recover in no time if what you say is true, though the last time I checked, our biggest export to Russia was milk, which was stopped due to the UK/EU sanctioning Russia and Russia sanctioning the UK/EU in retaliation, I see what you mean about strengthening ties... :lol:
Don't be so naive. That's like saying "Everything will stabilize within a few months, East Germany is gonna stay in the USSR for a couple of years, and they're all just gonna work out a deal" in 1989.
That's not how geopolitics works out in reality.
I'm not being naive, I'm seeing the bigger picture, The EU needs UK trade, the UK needs EU trade, how can economies recover if the biggest thing they depend on, trade, is cut off?
You know Cofi, I've always been curious, why does someone who isn't from Russia, non-stop talk about Russia? It's like me being patriotic about the USA...
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>The year is 2050.
>An old Briton walks along the streets of London.
>Derelict buildings everywhere.
>Starving people dying in the streets.
>The sick begging for food and medicines, left untreated because the NHS has collapsed.
>Girls prostituting themselves to support their entire extended families, now left homeless and jobless.
>Suddenly, the old Briton gets a heart attack. He knows no help will come, there is no mobile phone service in the country anymore, after all.
>As he is drawing his terminal breath, one final thought reverberates throughout his mind: I SHOULD HAVE VOTED TO REMAIN...
I love /pol/
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Out Out Out !!! UK is out! ( finally.. )
I was sure it was going out of EU
The interesting question now is "WHO WILL WIN IN USA" ?? Donald Trump V.s. Hillary Clinton
3...! 2..! 1..! Fight!
[seems like mortal combat xD]
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You think at a time when the EU is struggling and has quite a few anti-Russian countries within it along with Ukraine trying to join, they are going to decide to strengthen ties with Russia? Yeah right.
You obviously don't interest yourself with much geopolitical subjects, outside of the UK box of view. Just listen to what Nigel Farage was saying in the EU parliament about Russia. And he doesn't really give much fucks about it as a UK nationalist. Listen to Poland, Hungary, Czech, Greece, Slovakia, presidents and prime ministers. Listen to Italy, France, and Germany flirting when it comes to economy, and many many more.
Its a process that's been going on already, yet it was stopped by the proxy revolution in Ukraine.
Well thankfully the UK will soon be able to trade with whoever the fuck we want without having to run it through the EU first, I guess we'll recover in no time if what you say is true, though the last time I checked, our biggest export to Russia was milk, which was stopped due to the UK/EU sanctioning Russia and Russia sanctioning the UK/EU in retaliation, I see what you mean about strengthening ties... :lol:
We were talking about EU and Russia, not UK.
Recover in no time? Pound just lost its value, and hit the record minimum that last time happened in 30-35 years.
I'm not being naive, I'm seeing the bigger picture, The EU needs UK trade, the UK needs EU trade, how can economies recover if the biggest thing they depend on, trade, is cut off?
They wont cut it, but it wont work out smooth as it was till now. EU(Germany) wont be so soft on UK as much as you think, mainly because if they allow UK to use all the benefits of a completely free market like it did till now, its just gonna push other countries of the EU to do the same as UK(because if they can keep the united free market while leaving EU, they gonna do it, its really the only thing keeping all of them together).
You know Cofi, I've always been curious, why does someone who isn't from Russia, non-stop talk about Russia? It's like me being patriotic about the USA...
Because young people here who are from the West like you, are mostly not interested in these subjects, and the ones who are, don't really have much deep information and knowledge on what's happening, except what they briefly see/read on mainstream medias in the West.
And the creation of bipolar world that's happening again, is directly connected to Russia(among others China, India, Latin America, but at the moment its the 'conflict of interests' with Russia, hence the crisis in Ukraine, the intervention in Syria, etc).
Cameroon mentioned that if someone is happy about this, its Putin and Russia, I'm guessing I'm not the only one talking about it, yet the bloody Prime Minister.
And also, I'm a anti-globalist kinda guy, and a anti-'brutal corporate capitalism' kinda guy, so I always like when any country in the world shows resistance to those IMF, World Bank, Wall Street, rulers of the World.( Like Latin American countries, BRICS countries, Island, recently Hungary, etc, but at the moment its Russia in a global offensive of conquering interest spheres against them)
Also, you're Welsh, yet you're more patriotic about UK then Wales. :lol:
As of my opinion GG English and Welsh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHNfvJc99YY
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Recover in no time? Pound just lost its value, and hit the record minimum that last time happened in 30-35 years.They wont cut it, but it wont work out smooth as it was till now. EU(Germany) wont be so soft on UK as much as you think, mainly because if they allow UK to use all the benefits of a completely free market like it did till now, its just gonna push other countries of the EU to do the same as UK(because if they can keep the united free market while leaving EU, they gonna do it, its really the only thing keeping all of them together).
So, 35 years ago it was as low as it is now, and look where it was before now, sure we can get back there in no time.
I see what you mean, but they either give us the 'trade union' that we joined for in the first place, or they damage their own economy in the long run, besides that referendums in other countries of the EU are just inevitable wether they successfully negotiate with us or not.
Cameroon mentioned that if someone is happy about this, its Putin and Russia, I'm guessing I'm not the only one talking about it, yet the bloody Prime Minister.
If his opinion mattered so much we'd have woken up to a Remain vote today.
Also, you're Welsh, yet you're more patriotic about UK then Wales. :lol:
Why wouldn't I be more patriotic about the UK? My family/ancestors come from every corner of it, and without it, Wales would just be a tiny insignificant country struggling to survive.
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So, 35 years ago it was as low as it is now, and look where it was before now, sure we can get back there in no time.
I see what you mean, but they either give us the 'trade union' that we joined for in the first place, or they damage their own economy in the long run, besides that referendums in other countries of the EU are just inevitable wether they successfully negotiate with us or not.
Yeah but it goes via verse as well, if you don't make a trade union, your gonna damage your own economy. I mean EU might have other closeby market to look out for in worse scenario, for UK its Common Wealth countries, and because those countries aren't just accross the channel like EU, it would raise the costs of trading in UK.
Point is, you got a nice negotiating status, but EU has at least the same negotiating advantages, hence it wont be so smooth to just "give you all you want like nothing happen".
If his opinion mattered so much we'd have woken up to a Remain vote today.
It doesn't matter because he's Cameroon, it matters because he's the Prime Minister of UK.
His word and opinion always has a deep foundation, because he's one of the most informed persons in the world really.
Why wouldn't I be more patriotic about the UK? My family/ancestors come from every corner of it, and without it, Wales would just be a tiny insignificant country struggling to survive.
No idea why wouldn't you. No one told you to be, its your thing. But between Wales being a independent country of its own like few proud Wales guys I've met wants to, and being part of the UK, you're utter pro-UK guy.
Me on the other hand, no matter how much I like Russia, would fuck their nannies out, if they tried to push Serbia into some Slav-Russian-Orthodox country, or occupation.
Here's a few questions for you, I really wanna hear your opinion;
Will the referendum in Scotland gonna happen(in the next 2-3 years), and if it happens, will Scotland leave UK this time?
If that happens, will North Ireland do the same, and perhaps unite with Ireland?
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I don't know about everyone else but I'm quite liking the design of the new commemorative pound coin
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Will the referendum in Scotland gonna happen(in the next 2-3 years), and if it happens, will Scotland leave UK this time?
I guess that depends on wether Cameron's replacement wants to grant them another independence referendum, you have to bare in mind that Scotland was warned about being pulled out of the EU with the rest of the UK if they voted to remain part of the UK, and they did just that, why would they need another indy ref so soon? Especially with all this chaos going on now... Atleast let things calm down first.
If that happens, will North Ireland do the same, and perhaps unite with Ireland?
N.Ireland is full of loyalists who in my eyes would likely go fucking nuts if such a referendum was even debated.
I think everyone needs to calm the hell down until negotiations are done, how can the SNP and such be demanding a referendum because they want to remain part of the EU so soon before they even know what negotiations will bring? Do they really want to split the UK only to join the EU which is already weaker itself without the UK being a member and will likely be spammed by EU referendums in the coming years?
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how true is this lmao
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http://9gag.com/gag/aDG3qvZ
how true is this lmao
noobcountry xd
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Gotta love the politics talk. Bunch of people talking about shit they know very little about.
Definitely must recall this.
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"I want out of the EU refeyendum! Because I don't have to watch Euros next year, 'cause England won't be in it."
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its funny because EURO ain't played every year stivi
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So, 35 years ago it was as low as it is now, and look where it was before now, sure we can get back there in no time.
I see what you mean, but they either give us the 'trade union' that we joined for in the first place, or they damage their own economy in the long run, besides that referendums in other countries of the EU are just inevitable wether they successfully negotiate with us or not.
You clearly don't understand economics. It will take years, possibly decades, at least one recession possibly even a depression, interest rates at the bank slashed, and some serious reforms to even start the path to recovery. You lost billions. Not just a few, over one hundred billion.
The smart thing to do would've been to create a plan for Brexit, determine exactly what measures would be taken and most of all re-assure the investors... the one's who made the world spin, that everything is going to be okay. Show them that Britain is going to still be Britain and produce the same goods as before. Not this. As a hobbyist investor myself, I can understand why there is uncertainty, even doubt, and Davids' resignation is even more troubling to an investor.
The EU is flawed and in today's era absolutely useless. When it was created, sure there was a purpose and a need however such need has diminished. The rest of the EU needs to actually develop a plan now to dissolve the EU gracefully without causing mass panic with the markets.
FYI: I am affected as well because yesterday because of your choice, one of my stocks in the NYSE dropped 16.68%. Thanks Brits. Thanks a lot.
P.S: Nigel Farage is a fucking tool. Just saying.
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http://9gag.com/gag/aDG3qvZ
how true is this lmao
TBH I felt the same after seeing we actually left the EU, I really didn't expect it and it did hit home hard, but I still believe it is the best thing for the future of the UK.
You clearly don't understand economics. It will take years, possibly decades, at least one recession possibly even a depression, interest rates at the bank slashed, and some serious reforms to even start the path to recovery. You lost billions. Not just a few, over one hundred billion.
The smart thing to do would've been to create a plan for Brexit, determine exactly what measures would be taken and most of all re-assure the investors... the one's who made the world spin, that everything is going to be okay. Show them that Britain is going to still be Britain and produce the same goods as before. Not this. As a hobbyist investor myself, I can understand why there is uncertainty, even doubt, and Davids' resignation is even more troubling to an investor.
The EU is flawed and in today's era absolutely useless. When it was created, sure there was a purpose and a need however such need has diminished. The rest of the EU needs to actually develop a plan now to dissolve the EU gracefully without causing mass panic with the markets.
FYI: I am affected as well because yesterday because of your choice, one of my stocks in the NYSE dropped 16.68%. Thanks Brits. Thanks a lot.
P.S: Nigel Farage is a fucking tool. Just saying.
I don't understand economics you're right, and I never said it'd be a quick back to normal job.
It is not our fault that our government did not create a Brexit plan, our own Prime Minister was so adamant that he'd win with a Remain vote that he didn't bother planning ahead, it's either that or he just doesn't care as he told some of his personal staff "Why should I do all the hard shit?" in regards to negotiating with the EU after our exit, you are right though, the UK needs to stop pointing fingers everywhere and debating unrelated crap such as a Scottish indy referendum and reassure the world, investors, business, Europe that we are still the same strong UK, right now though it doesn't look like the country knows what the fuck it's doing.
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FYI: I am affected as well because yesterday because of your choice, one of my stocks in the NYSE dropped 16.68%. Thanks Brits. Thanks a lot.
You don't understand economics either. I'm an investor and anticipated this, no problems for me.
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It is not our fault that our government did not create a Brexit plan, our own Prime Minister was so adamant that he'd win with a Remain vote that he didn't bother planning ahead, it's either that or he just doesn't care as he told some of his personal staff "Why should I do all the hard shit?" in regards to negotiating with the EU after our exit, you are right though, the UK needs to stop pointing fingers everywhere and debating unrelated crap such as a Scottish indy referendum and reassure the world, investors, business, Europe that we are still the same strong UK, right now though it doesn't look like the country knows what the fuck it's doing.
While it may not be your fault, when voting you should've taken into account the warnings the economist warned about. Something a lot of people brushed off as fear mongering was actually legitimate insight and it's effects were immediate around the world. Not a single stock market in this world didn't take a hit after the news. No shit either... even in illegal black markets in Africa which fund offshore pirates took a hit. The entire system is so delicate that you change one thing and shit just falls apart.
In all honesty this vote shouldn't have been made by the people. The people don't understand the immediate consequences, the short term consequences, and most importantly the long term consequences that affect the generation to come. I understand democracy is about the voice of the people but that is exercised in proxy by the people they elect. If the people whom they elect aren't fulfilling their voices then replace them. That's how it works. Not polling a bunch of uneducated people to make a choice that could effectively mean the end of the UK as we know it... and yes, some experts have said this could destroy the UK as we know it. I am not knowledgeable enough to say any different or agree though so I am not sure how valid those statements are; but they have been made.
If David wanted to resign after the realization he fucked up, he should've waited to announce it. His entire speech was shit. He made half it of it about himself. The world was watching. The world doesn't give a shit what you accomplished. The world wants to know that everything is going to be fine. He should've made it 99% about the current state of things, the economy, and the plan to protect the economy.
I do feel bad for you I must say. Your taxes are already high and they will likely need an increase in any logical restoration moving forward. As a result of the last two day's of reactions, the economy is already smaller and your government already has a deficit budget; the lost value will need to be made up for and that is usually done in the form of taxes.
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You don't understand economics either. I'm an investor and anticipated this, no problems for me.
I never said it was a problem. I purchased more at the lower price. :)
The US Market won't be affected for long so it'll recover and that's profit. Trust me, I understand economics enough to understand the problem and what went wrong. In fact, The value of the pound actually went up in anticipation of the referendum vote because most investors thought remain would succeed.
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In fact, The value of the pound actually went up in anticipation of the referendum vote because most investors thought remain would succeed.
That's the thing. I knew they wouldn't.
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The EU is flawed and in today's era absolutely useless. When it was created, sure there was a purpose and a need however such need has diminished. The rest of the EU needs to actually develop a plan now to dissolve the EU gracefully without causing mass panic with the markets.
The EU nas the same need as it has when it was created, even more then it had back then. The small european countries has to stick together or else they'll get swallowed by the economic tigers on the global level, that didn't really exist back in that period(as economic tigers)
The problem is, that it needs to be exactly what it was back when it was created as the EEC(European Economic Community), without the political and specially without the heavy Brussels birocracy part that's the biggest problems everyone have with, when it comes to EU(main reason Brexit leaders pointed out for their opinion).
I'll take my country as an example, Serbia is the candidate for joining the EU(it was suppose to happen until 2020 for sure, but now who knows), and even tho most of our export goes to EU countries, and it was mostly USA/German/Italian firms investing in Serbia since our path to EU, China, Russia, and Arab countries has massive projects of investing in Serbia last 2-3 years and specially in the next 10 years, not only taking the position of EU countries when it comes to investing, yet investing in huge projects that EU countries never really wanted to 'risk' when it comes to Serbia.
Serbia as a candidate has the benefits from the united market with EU on one hand(SAP agreement), yet it has a non-custom trade agreement with Russia for decades now(the only country in Europe to have such a thing), which will have to be canceled once Serbia joins the EU.(Because you can't be a member of the EU, and have non-custom trade with Russia in teh same time)
So investing in Serbia at the moment, is highly recommended for big global tigers, as they can export cheaper not only into the EU market, yet on Russian market as well. Plus Serbia is one of the rare fully stable countries in the whole region, so its a perfect place for a base of China's/Arab/Russian capital in Europe.
But the point is, EU countries are losing their economic influences in Serbia, and that means losing political influences as well, and that again means losing influence on Balkan, since Serbia is the biggest and central country of Balkan, if EU collapse, that influence is doomed, and Germany/Italy/France and the rest of them, are gonna lose a big market just next doors to them, which they cant allow to happen.
Because all of this EU will prevail, it just wont be an organization it was til now.
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its funny because EURO ain't played every year stivi
I know right. Uneducated brexiters.
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What would benefit any country struggling with investors is better things to invest in; not joining a glorified club house shit fest. I get the EU does bring some benefits but at what cost? The cost weighs down on the larger countries to essentially carry these smaller counties. When what should be happening is focusing on growth by investing in higher education. More smarter people, better businesses and products, more interest from investors and thus more investments for growth. I may not be entirely informed with your counties case; but a majority of the poorer counties suffer from the same problem: not enough higher education.
The EU may provide the benefit of money but don't forget: that money comes from somewhere and affects someone else. Money isn't just spawned... well actually it is sort of but that also ruins economies if you create too much if it.
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I thought the articles about people voting leave as a "protest" vote because they thought we' never actually leave were fake... turns out at least three people I know did it and regretted it :uhm:
I'm there thinking "that's not how voting is meant to work guys."
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-cornwall-issues-plea-for-funding-protection-after-county-overwhelmingly-votes-in-favour-of-a7101311.html
Funny, voting to leave then begging for funding. I don't think that's how it works somehow.
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Funny, voting to leave then begging for funding. I don't think that's how it works somehow.
When everyone in the UK is able to unite and solve this mess instead of throwing stones at eachother maybe we'll get back on track.
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When everyone in the UK is able to unite and solve this mess instead of throwing stones at eachother maybe we'll get back on track.
Obviously that isn't going to happen.
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When everyone in the UK is able to unite and solve this mess instead of throwing stones at each other maybe we'll get back on track.
Well, when it's been announced that in fact, the UK won't have sole control of its borders, the NHS won't get £350 million a week, and as a result of the currency devaluation the country has lost more money than the EU has cost us for many years, it makes a bit of a perspective change doesn't it?
Still don't get why you, being Welsh, voted out. English citizens are the ones paying for the EU, Welsh citizens actually get a net benefit of approximately £79 a head from being in the EU.
The Welsh overall contribution was approximately £414 million, and it benefited from £658 million of EU funding...
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annnd the carnage in the markets and value of the pound continues
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The price of gold went up rather nicely post-referendum... shame that's not benefiting the UK...
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We should completely scrap our stupidly huge foreign aid budget and use the money to repair the damage (I say this as a leave voter) that leaving the EU has done.
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To all the people saying it was a bad call to leave the the EU - The EU is all about fattening German bank accounts. Period.
Just take this example - Portugal joined the EU and got millions from that, but those millions came at a great price. The UE basically demanded that we reduced our industry. Less fishing, less cork production in Alentejo, the list goes on and on. What was the result of that? Debt, debt, fucking DEBT. Then came on FMI with it's crippling austerity to pay the crazy and wildly variable interest on the money they gave us to "help" get out of a hole they basically made us dig.
So yeah, even with everything everyone says about damages to the economy. Anything is better than to bow down to this kind of crap, if there was a referendum in Portugal tomorrow about leaving or staying in the EU, my vote would definitely be YES!
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We should completely scrap our stupidly huge foreign aid budget and use the money to repair the damage (I say this as a leave voter) that leaving the EU has done.
Yeah I'd agree. Whilst the future of your own country is uncertain then you can't be running it as a charity. If we're gonna do this, then we may as well go all in and protect our own interests first.
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From the streets of London
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg0OvMcp7mE
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From the streets of London
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg0OvMcp7mE
Lmao
By the way what did he meant about "Portuguese visa of you want Nando's" ?
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Lmao
By the way what did he meant about "Portuguese visa of you want Nando's" ?
It was a misleading message spread around social media, that Nandos would no longer be in the UK if we left Europe. The official Nandos twitter account confirmed that they'd actually be staying here :balance:
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https://www.facebook.com/sosolidcrew/videos/10154200027459484
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/jun/27/pound-shares-markets-brexit-crisis-osborne-lew-business-live
GG downgraded two notches to Double A.
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#REGREXIT trending in the UK still...
And something whats sad is the Google Trends in the UK after the Brexit Vote Result.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cltl4jFWEAEbnun.jpg)
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(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13501703_10209785948266026_9189155069762744826_n.jpg?oh=0ddba745f097f8015739da902bc41679&oe=57E98D95)
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Finally some good news, I woke up to see my stocks recovered and one of them is even higher than before. Thanks! I actually made money by buying them lower! Meanwhile the consequences continue to grow for the UK.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEALC1z3QG8
Hilariously accurate.
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From the streets of London
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg0OvMcp7mE
That was hilarious until they ruined it by not cutting the Compton part. :neutral2:
https://www.facebook.com/sosolidcrew/videos/10154200027459484
Yawn.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/jun/27/pound-shares-markets-brexit-crisis-osborne-lew-business-live
GG downgraded two notches to Double A.
A big thing that the news/media fail to tell everyone is that some agencies downgraded us years ago, they are only now bringing it up after we voted to leave the EU, sure it's because of that, but it pretty much means jack shit, they could all decide to give us the lowest possible if they wanted and nothing would change.
#REGREXIT trending in the UK still...
And something whats sad is the Google Trends in the UK after the Brexit Vote Result.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cltl4jFWEAEbnun.jpg)
Yes, the UK's youth saw "OMG, VOTE LEAVE WON, WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE! ECONOMY CRASHING! FUUUUCK!!!!" all over the media and being worried, decided to find out what the fuck the EU is.
Meanwhile the consequences continue to grow for the UK.
You really hate the UK don't you! :D http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36648630
In other news, sales of nappy rash cream have soared as butt hurt Remain voters continue to try and heal their wounds.
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OH NO! The UK is falling apa... Uh... Oh, uhm, recovering...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36660133
In some areas doing better than it did before the vote to leave. :rolleyes:
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Pleasant twist.
As much as I'd have loved to say "I told you so" if it carried on dropping, I'm very pleased that it's up again. Quite why that has happened after the EU have stated we will only get access to the single market if we allow free movement though is beyond me.
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Pleasant twist.
As much as I'd have loved to say "I told you so" if it carried on dropping, I'm very pleased that it's up again. Quite why that has happened after the EU have stated we will only get access to the single market if we allow free movement though is beyond me.
The EU are bluffing, the UK is one of the EU's biggest buyers and it would hit their own economies hard if they blocked our trade, the thing is they don't want to make it look easy to leave the EU and keep trade since other countries such as France will then have their own referendums, they'll give in in the end, we just need a strong PM who's willing to stand up for what the British people want.
Hopefully the economy will continue to head back to how it was before, don't see why it wouldn't since we're still in the EU for the next couple of years.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHr4xzHirRY
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You brits do seem to think too high of yourselves.
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Switzerland does just fine outside of the European Union.
I congratulate the UK, it was the will of the people and it should be respected.
The markets and the EU will have to adjust to the situation, the political and economic interests of others cannot go above the liberty of the people to decide.