Argonath RPG - A World of its own

GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Machine on May 27, 2007, 07:08:02 pm

Title: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Machine on May 27, 2007, 07:08:02 pm: Gandalf, Will we keep :money: from 0.1 to 0.2 PLZ
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Masacru_Alex on May 27, 2007, 07:12:44 pm: Yeah we will .Put them in the bank. :cop:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Machine on May 27, 2007, 07:34:56 pm: Quote from: Masacru_Alex on May 27, 2007, 07:12:44 pm
Yeah we will .Put them in the bank. :cop:

:rules:
:help:
In the bank or have them in the hand
????????????????????????????????????
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Gandalf on May 27, 2007, 08:33:28 pm: By the time we finish the scripts for 0.2 we will tell you. Not before. ;)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Machine on May 27, 2007, 09:22:15 pm: Quote from: Gandalf on May 27, 2007, 08:33:28 pm
By the time we finish the scripts for 0.2 we will tell you. Not before. ;)

OK
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Carhartt on May 27, 2007, 09:22:57 pm: Gandalf what we have to do if the 0.2 version will be ready ?
I have to install something or it will just change options with the server ?
If i have to install something can you explain me how ? :(
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on May 27, 2007, 11:15:44 pm: Guys, please dont worry, the server isnt gonna change to 0.2 overnight. #
Firstly they have to actually release the v0.2 client. Then the Argonath server needs to be created (scripts etc) and then the government look forward to weeks of password hidden betatesting. We will know this because of the rumours, and it will be a few weeks until a public beta may be released. Or if were lucky there wont be a public beta, cuz everything will be sorted ;) . All this time you have to worry about your bank... although because of updates it is best to bank all money anyway.

Also can I help betatest? pleeeaaassee! D)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Machine on May 28, 2007, 11:46:41 am: Hay, GANDALF

:rules:
:ps: I WANNA BE BETA TESTER TO, IF I CAN D)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: [Asf]Muffin on May 28, 2007, 01:00:20 pm: :cry: :cry: why cant i keep my house? :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: itsonlyaname on May 28, 2007, 01:11:38 pm: i wanna keep my money : ( i spent days working on that :(
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on May 28, 2007, 01:31:20 pm: The developers did not decide yet - will it keep all inventory, part of inventory (bank/cash), or money will be resetted for all players...

The last point have come from the next position:
- many regulars do still try to money cheat;
- as we gave chance to money cheaters as well, who promised not to cheat, still continue do it and trying to find the new ways;
- many regulars got their money from abusinf the mole missions, casinos, bets...

to make equall all amounts we probably will reset money for ALL players... Script also will have modernized admins system, where admins could catch every IP of every player and multiple accounts right on server... The same goes to all scripts that were abused by regulars - bets and mole missions will be removed (also not decided yet, but 80% it will be removed)...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on May 28, 2007, 02:33:20 pm: Please dont reset money. Incur a charge if you will (a %) for active players but I dont want to lose all my money, I have worked a long time to get where I am, as have many. :(

Maybe someone shoul make a poll?
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: CM Daniel on May 28, 2007, 02:51:40 pm: Quote from: jcstodds on May 28, 2007, 02:33:20 pm
Please dont reset money. Incur a charge if you will (a %) for active players but I dont want to lose all my money, I have worked a long time to get where I am, as have many. :(

Maybe someone shoul make a poll?

We already know the poll results ;)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on May 28, 2007, 03:04:36 pm: Seriously though, no one has earned their wealth overnight. Removing all money would be overkill. I would go as far as to remove 50% ( a lolt) , but that is it! no more please! A sever deppresion will sweep through SA, and Im not talking about the weather. People will be encouraged to abuse cop etc in an attempt to get money they lost, so they can buy properties. It would be ok to restart money like after public beta- not many people, however there are so many people everyone would try to get lots of money in a short amount of time to fight for cars, houses etc.

Please dont reset money! :wow:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on May 28, 2007, 03:23:14 pm: If all will start with money they got on mole missions (that showed most abuse), the new players will have less chances to get the same amount of money...
The discussion started right when we got on abusing - the regular players...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Machine on May 28, 2007, 03:25:22 pm: :rules:
If we won't keep the :money: Then i won't play more SA-MP

WE CAN KEEP JUST :money: NOT HOUSES; CARS JUST MONEY D)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Gandalf on May 28, 2007, 03:30:12 pm: It is hard on people who have earned all their money by working to reset it.
On the other hand, when we started we had only a money cheat detecting system for large amounts. As we understood some regular players understood and abused the system, we added a new cheat detection, and caught a number of regulars on cheats.
We are working on a system where we can detect people abusing multiple accounts for money harvesting, the first results are already coming in.
Add to this the tricks of abusing bets and missions.

So for us when we see a player with a lot of money there is no way to know, was he lucky in the beginning not to be caught or was it earned by hard work. I do not like to take posessions from players, but on the other hand I want to be able to trust that players with a lot of money got it in an honest way.

This is the discussion the developers have......
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on May 28, 2007, 03:36:38 pm: I dont really like mole missions, its true all can be abused.... :( FFS no good comes out of them!

Instead of mole missions... maybe government can organise races etc, or allow admins (high level) to make mole missions and can watch over, although then they are likely to dissapear completely. Anyway, what mole missions are you planning on keeping... to my knowledge, although I hate to say, I think Fight club is the one least complaints about, least abuse i think. Races I like the best, but can be abused a lot etc..... the car theft one isnt bad.... not sure if that has bin abused...

Hmmm, so whats the plan with the mole missions then? Cuz they are sort of the snakes head, if you know what I mean.
Posted on: May 28, 2007, 01:31:27 PM
Quote from: Gandalf on May 28, 2007, 03:30:12 pm
It is hard on people who have earned all their money by working to reset it.

For me..... devastating :( and Im not joking... this abuse has spoilt it, and for somene who rarely partakes in mole missions (occasional race or moneytill) it makes it extra sucky..... :conf: :neutral

Understand where your coming from... but the worst thing may be the best thing..... I wouldnt mind losing money, just not all of it, money earnt since the start.

-Regards,
jcstodds

Ps. I think you will make the right decisions, keep the faith as us Liecester City fans say ;)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Niitro on May 28, 2007, 03:41:56 pm: What ???
I have only my 400k ...
I don't know what would I do if I loose them ...

It's extra hard for me to make money ... I think many ppl know why ...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: hell1989 on May 28, 2007, 04:07:40 pm: I will then lose all the have worked for from the first day on server and many of us since we know we are losing money can now RP more into 0.2 comes since we know all of are money is gone I think its a ok thing to do and you can spot of money cheaters as well easier since we all have same amount of money, but do admins keep there money?
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Niitro on May 28, 2007, 04:14:28 pm: Than what is the point making money in 0.2 ...
Than 0.3 will come out, and money will be resetted again ...
Than 0.4 ...
And many others ...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Gandalf on May 28, 2007, 04:15:05 pm: The decision is not final yet, as there are a lot of issues to think of.
Inside the developers group the feeling between resetting all and not resetting anything changes from week to week.

The missions are creating money within the system, and for the economy to run a certain amount of money must be created. If we stop the current missions, we will have to have enough alternative ways in which money is introduced in to the system.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on May 28, 2007, 05:04:04 pm: Quote from: Niitro on May 28, 2007, 03:41:56 pm
I have only my 400k ...
I don't know what would I do if I loose them ...

For me, multiply by 3.5, multiply the effort, the time spent earning that cash... :( :( :( :(

NE way, Hell has a very good point, any rich people from the start of the server can start to enjoy RP in its entirety when they have what they want, and dont need to worry about money.

We dont want to get rid of mole missions, just stop them from being abused by regulars, as this is the reason for money being reset. It sucks. I can see why this discussion is very hard atm for you guys ;)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: dan_lcfc on May 28, 2007, 06:25:32 pm: If all the money is reset, then for a couple of weeks/months, the whole idea of RP will go with all of the people being cops and killing without asking surrender (It's not like they do ATM anyway) to get their wealth back.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Gandalf on May 28, 2007, 06:29:44 pm: Quote from: dan_lcfc on May 28, 2007, 06:25:32 pm
If all the money is reset, then for a couple of weeks/months, the whole idea of RP will go with all of the people being cops and killing without asking surrender (It's not like they do ATM anyway) to get their wealth back.
Then perhaps we should do something about that ;)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Niitro on May 28, 2007, 06:40:42 pm: The best is to keep the money ... :)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on May 28, 2007, 07:10:11 pm: Quote from: Niitro on May 28, 2007, 06:40:42 pm
The best is to keep the money ... :)
Same D)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Machine on May 28, 2007, 07:46:26 pm: THE BEST IS TO KEEP THE MONEY IN THE BANK
Same D)
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:rules:
YE, YOU HAVE RIGHT JUST :money:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Rodriguez on May 28, 2007, 08:22:40 pm: No its not.. Keeping money will be not good.. as if the ppl who collected every single Cent they could get.. will have a big advantage above all ppl who have less money or are new.. everyone should have a chance of gettin/starting even.. just start a new life and play..
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on May 28, 2007, 09:12:26 pm: Mole missions will be removed from 0.2 version (80%)...
If this decision developers will take - money will be resetted (possible - 80%)...

The idea is: Mole missions gave to the current players a lot of money: mole missions were totally abused by regulars...
If mole missions will be removed from RPG system - the new players will not have the same possibilities as had old players (easy money)...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: TruthSvensson on May 28, 2007, 09:20:23 pm: in real life you cant reset ppls money :rofl:
and i dont want to lose money
and i did just 2 mole missions in all my playing
so i dont want to losee my Ducking Money :war:
(PLEASEEEEEEEEEEE :lol:)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Hafford on May 28, 2007, 09:25:05 pm: I would prefer to keep my wealth, and on Rodre's comment, If people didn't choose to save their money, then it's their own fault, not the people who like to save.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on May 28, 2007, 09:41:58 pm: Quote from: AVRodriguez on May 28, 2007, 08:22:40 pm
No its not.. Keeping money will be not good.. as if the ppl who collected every single Cent they could get.. will have a big advantage above all ppl who have less money or are new.. everyone should have a chance of gettin/starting even.. just start a new life and play..
Why shouldnt faithful regulars have an advantage? They are more likely to spend more money for RP if they have lots of cash, or they will just be pulled into a desperate attempt to get lots of money quickly. everyone would be cop, no one would Rp, to busy ruching to get properties etc.

o.2 offers a chance to spend all that hard earned money. I have saved, dont have house, waiting for the possibilities in 0.2, and then I can share the wealth.

Rod, have you ever got sooo far in a game for the file to be deleted or corrupted? I have had to complete Sa 5 times for this, and I got over 70% on GT4 before the mem card fucked, and when you lose so much time invested into the game it puts you off. Many players will leave if the money is lost, it is what sets apart newbies and regulars. Gets more people trying to RP if you have the money to buy a fake watch or whatever, and this wouldnt happen else in 0.2. Just cops nd robers.

I dont mind mole missions being removed, there not much RP (just putting players skills against each other) however as ROn said, it is because many have abused them. I know you coudnt just remove the money earned for them...so maybe incure a 'charge'. I have never earned much from mole, maybe about 70k. Can you just deduct a universal amount from everyone say 100k??/

If I would choose, keep cash, kill the mole, and see h0w it goes in v0.2. ;)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: TruthSvensson on May 28, 2007, 09:47:30 pm: lets kill Mole :rofl:
Mole ?
This
Is
ARGONAAAAAAAAATTTHHHH :war: :rofl:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on May 28, 2007, 09:50:00 pm: I hated mole ever since he told me to take stolen car from LV to LS. Turns out he wanted me to park it somewhere in the sea.... stupid blind _____
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: wkter on May 28, 2007, 10:40:54 pm: OH NO!
Plz!
I don't wanna lose my lovey hotring!
Please don't reset my ownership at her! :)
Then I would NEVER ger an hotring agian - All would be sold first day I guess.
Don't care about the money, just got 14l now.. And a house for 80 + 10k, easy to get back :)
But my hotring.. NOOOooo... :cry:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Niitro on May 29, 2007, 08:17:04 am: I totaly agree whit Bizkit - Lets kill MOLE :)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on May 29, 2007, 08:55:31 am: Well, from what I see, regulars, who have a big amounts of money are more interested to spend it on loans then just visit some small bar in Dillimore and Palomino Creek, or make some event with awards... Having million - will not be desturbed by making box tournament, for example, and present 5000$ to the winner...

So regulars do not support the new players... But opposit...

In real life you also has no possibility to earn thousands of dollars EVERY 30 mins... So talking about "in real life" also has no sence...

Admins will not have a privilegies... The one who will have privilegy - will be developers - main admins, who do not only make admins' work on server, but take part in developing the whole Argonath portal, its sites, both servers, gropus, forums...
This people will have a possibility to buy a house and car... And hardly will desturb the current picture...
As some of them located in San Fierro and Las venturas, and even in caves and small bungalos in the lost lands...)))

But the situation can be understanded...
0.2 will have removed the main money earning missions... That is unfair to the new players... and even double...
1. They will not have the same possibility to earn money so fast as old rpgers...
2. old rpgers do not support the new players...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on May 29, 2007, 11:37:19 am: I would gladly help new players in v0.2, old players will find it easier to organise events n stuff where money can be won etc. For the new players they would gladly accept $1k paycheques, maybe up the interest to 1%?
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Machine on May 29, 2007, 01:30:53 pm: Quote from: Gandalf on May 27, 2007, 08:33:28 pm
By the time we finish the scripts for 0.2 we will tell you. Not before. ;)

How will you told me if i am banned :cry:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: blackarrows on May 29, 2007, 01:34:19 pm: I find it hard to earn money now as it is so i just leave money in the bank for interest.. :money:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on May 29, 2007, 04:17:12 pm: Huh? hard to earn money???
They how you think people earned money on MTA??? When lottery stopped??

Make events, ask Government to sponsor you...
- the winners will get money awards;
- the organizator of event will get money award...

What can be easier and closer to RPG??? Mole missions??? Ah yeah... Right today I banned the next regular who abused it... And as I know - it is not the first time and not the one guy...

This is why I support idea of removing mole missions and with it - removing all money, especcially from regulars...)) Cos only regulars know how to abuse it...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Gimli on May 29, 2007, 04:17:56 pm: I think that everyone should start over again from 0.2.

Otherwise, some old rpgers might quit because they would lose all of their money.

This is a serious matter that the admins of Aragonath should discuss, or perhaps make a poll? ;)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on May 29, 2007, 04:19:03 pm: They will quit cos they lost money and go on other server to start again from 0???
Do not see point...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on May 29, 2007, 04:20:43 pm: Quote from: xcasio on May 29, 2007, 04:17:56 pm
I think that everyone should start over again from 0.2.

Otherwise, some old rpgers might quit because they would lose all of their money.
Erm? COnfusing?

Anyway. I dont like Mole anyway, I said a long time ago that they utilize little RP. Please just get rid, but keep the money!
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Tabitha on May 29, 2007, 04:25:39 pm: i like the idea of mole missions, but i do think to many people know how to abuse em, such as the races, however the other thing i dont like about mole missions, is the fact that us normal people, will travel (like normal people would) to do the missions, yet you get people who will kill themselves and choose the nearest spawn so they have the advantage on everyone.....
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on May 29, 2007, 04:28:54 pm: Its true...only regulars know how to abuse them. Makes it extra fucked up. Doesnt it? Main abuse now is betting on self etc and setting up races n stuff. Although many dont realise its cheating, just think- easy money? Do think its really allowed? Is it sooo clever to try?
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: TruthSvensson on May 29, 2007, 07:45:14 pm: really i want to keep my money :eek:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: dan_lcfc on May 29, 2007, 09:11:04 pm: I think that $10,000 from stopping a street racer is way to high because people abuse this soooo easily. Three friends go to street race, two race, one is cop. They all bet on the one they decide to win, then that person gets busted on purpose so the cop gets 10k, all the money is shared out.

Keep all of the money!!! :money:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on May 30, 2007, 04:55:52 pm: Ok, in truth I would be really pissed off if I lost all money. It would be because I will have nothing to show for all of the time invested in the game, Im sure many would feel this. I wouldnt have anything. I really find redoing the same thing excrutiating (ever written an extrely long thread for a popup to appear or something, and you go back its all gone?).

So what I ask of is, will it be possible to keep a property of some sort? A business/ car whatever. Just so that not all is lost ;) .

One reason also, is that there are gonna be hundreds of players storming the server. This means cars will go like fireworks at a footbakk match. The armed limo service in particular would take a greatest hit... especially if we own no limos. :lol: I see what we have now is an acheivement. Maybe our biggest acheivement (on server) and it shows what we are about. So please!!! Dont let us lose everything !

Regards,
Jcstodds
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Gandalf on May 30, 2007, 05:22:52 pm: /me hands jcstodds $2
Ok you got to keep something D)

Be patient. While we are forming the ideas and the outlines of the new cities we will get an idea on how to reward players for their activities on server.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Andre9977 on May 30, 2007, 05:24:22 pm: Hey, Ron. Please, save our money. We are kind to new players, really. I helped one to get mole mission today. Plz we really dont want to lose money. If we do, i am petty sure, that some oldman quits playing. Argonaths rates go down-down-down then. - This may really happen
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on May 30, 2007, 07:04:00 pm: Lol gandalf :lol: .... I am waiting ingame for that $2 xD

Infact that is approximately 0.000001176% of my current wealth :)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on May 31, 2007, 01:58:39 pm: Quote from: Andre9977 on May 30, 2007, 05:24:22 pm
If we do, i am petty sure, that some oldman quits playing. Argonaths rates go down-down-down then. - This may really happen

No problem...
Better honest players and policy then let the abusers keep their millions...
Argonath will lose anyway old players, who likes to play and getting easy thousands...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: wkter on May 31, 2007, 06:18:38 pm: Quote from: Aragorn on May 31, 2007, 01:58:39 pm
No problem...
Better honest players and policy then let the abusers keep their millions...
Argonath will lose anyway old players, who likes to play and getting easy thousands...
I like to get easy money D)
But I don't abuse.. :neutral:
Will I keep my hotring? Plzzzz D)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Gimli on June 01, 2007, 12:53:32 pm: Quote from: Aragorn on May 31, 2007, 01:58:39 pm
No problem...
Better honest players and policy then let the abusers keep their millions...
Argonath will lose anyway old players, who likes to play and getting easy thousands...

Great decision!!! :cool: :cool: :cool:

New players SHOULD be able to start from the beginning with the rest of the players.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Prometheus[NL] on June 01, 2007, 02:40:31 pm: quoted from Aragorn:
to make equal all amounts we probably will reset money for ALL players... Script also will have modernized admins system, where admins could catch every IP of every player and multiple accounts right on server... The same goes to all scripts that were abused by regulars - bets and mole missions will be removed (also not decided yet, but 80% it will be removed)...
end quote

if the mole missions disappear what will take their place? I find when playing as a gangster all i can do is wait around for mole missions the rest of the time I just drive around hoping some cop suspects me for dangerous driving so I can do an exiting getaway . I suggest having at least two job types per group,the groups being : 1 Criminals 2:citizens (with and without passport ) 3 police (setting up roadblocks is cool but put them halfway the race not the start )and don't take betting between players out of the game !!!(if two players that don't cheat make a bet how can that be money cheating)anyway one of my ideas is to maybe have illegal street races (ab it like in the fast and the furious ) without betting that would be useless....but ill post that idea in players wishlist as i don't want to start an off topic discussion
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Serpico on June 01, 2007, 03:26:21 pm: Cool i think that i quit :conf:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Watti on June 02, 2007, 04:31:52 am: Guys...

If we loose money.. Just earn it back ... dont go OMG MY 50k!!! **** YOU RON!!! (not realy it was just example dont hurt me :roll:)

its just a game :))... earn it again... New players should have the chance on doing it... but the guys who have been scince begging know how to earn money.. teach others
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Serpico on June 02, 2007, 07:07:45 am: doesnt look that fun to earn it back but okay i wait for 0.2 and i be back ;)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Watti on June 02, 2007, 07:11:29 am: not fun :(.. it is actually fun.. it might even make you work harder
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: BlooDsTainD on June 02, 2007, 01:37:32 pm: Quote from: Tabitha on May 29, 2007, 04:25:39 pm
i like the idea of mole missions, but i do think to many people know how to abuse em, such as the races, however the other thing i dont like about mole missions, is the fact that us normal people, will travel (like normal people would) to do the missions, yet you get people who will kill themselves and choose the nearest spawn so they have the advantage on everyone.....
Says the girl who agrees to let the cop bust her for racing to split the money ;)

Hopefully we find out soon if we keep the money because theres no point trying to earn any more from now until samp 0.2 if we dont get to keep it or spend it :neutral:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: T r o j a n TM on June 02, 2007, 01:45:34 pm: I can't be bothered to read all of this topic today but... If we own vehicles/houses/businesses..ect will we get to keep them in 0.2 even if our money is reset?
:ps: Please don't say oh this has allready been said in the topic because I seriously aren't in a reading mood today and have a lot to do so I'd just like a yes or no please. :)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Watti on June 02, 2007, 02:09:18 pm: Trojan. be in the mood.. every one else has...

No you wont keep Properties.. there are talking about money being kept
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on June 02, 2007, 02:10:12 pm: Quote from: Watti on June 02, 2007, 04:31:52 am
dont go OMG MY 50k!!!

OMG my 1600k !!!!! **** me RON!!!

Lol only joking.. :rofl:

.. meh.... ALS is gonna go down the drain... but we will hope to narow our business in LV (So only 3 limos guys.... dont worry) . If anyone buys the limos in LV we will be offering good deals. Honestly... Im not so bothered atm. Just dont want to pack in ALS> we will survive :evil: one way or another!!! :fly: :gun: ... one way or another... :hoor: :alc: !!!!! :) :)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: T r o j a n TM on June 02, 2007, 04:11:48 pm: Omg :( I just purchased a Freeway so that was a little pointless.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on June 02, 2007, 04:28:59 pm: Not really- spend away!
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: T r o j a n TM on June 02, 2007, 05:04:30 pm: Quote from: jcstodds on June 02, 2007, 04:28:59 pm
Not really- spend away!
:lol: Well I wont be able to keep it in SA:MP 0.2 so there's no point in spending.
Posted on: 02 June 2007, 16:02:23
Quote from: T r o j a n TM on June 02, 2007, 05:02:23 pm
:lol: Well I wont be able to keep it in SA:MP 0.2 so there's no point in spending.
I think we should make a list on the forum (Different topics) called Vehicle Owners/Business Owners/Home Owners and we should all post what we own with proof and give it a date so that when SA:MP 0.2 is scripted we will be able to buy it again like a reservation.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on June 02, 2007, 05:07:05 pm: If the scripts will be changed generally - money will be resetted...
The mole missions will be closed... Instead of mole missions will be setted others, that are more protected from the abusing...
The ideas of earning money you can post in 0.2 version ideas forum section...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: RiX[LV] on June 03, 2007, 12:25:28 am: OMG!!! If money will be restarted! Argonath server lost very much players! :(
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Tice on June 03, 2007, 12:54:27 am: This is the worst idea ever. If money is reset, and no mole missions, everyone will be cops, all abusing, just trying to earn cash. I don't want to hear stuff about ''it's unfair on new players'', because new players join every day. Do we reset money every day? No. Abusing players? Ban them like we normally do. There is no legitimate reason for resetting people's hard earned money just because we are upgrading to a new client. Seriously, Argonath will lose alot of regular, good RPers, and will be left as a deathmatching swamp. May sound stupid, but it's happened to other servers when they implement radical new measures that 99% of their users disagree on. Even if it's compulsary in 0.2, take logs of people's bank accounts and wire them the money back in 0.2.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Serpico on June 03, 2007, 01:16:32 am: Quote from: Tice on June 03, 2007, 12:54:27 am
This is the worst idea ever. If money is reset, and no mole missions, everyone will be cops, all abusing, just trying to earn cash. I don't want to hear stuff about ''it's unfair on new players'', because new players join every day. Do we reset money every day? No. Abusing players? Ban them like we normally do. There is no legitimate reason for resetting people's hard earned money just because we are upgrading to a new client. Seriously, Argonath will lose alot of regular, good RPers, and will be left as a deathmatching swamp. May sound stupid, but it's happened to other servers when they implement radical new measures that 99% of their users disagree on. Even if it's compulsary in 0.2, take logs of people's bank accounts and wire them the money back in 0.2.
Ye you got that right man im with you :roll:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: RiX[LV] on June 03, 2007, 01:31:02 am: Yeah! Much of Old and New players will go to other servers because all lost money!
How can we earn more money without MOLE? Working by taxi driver all day? :cop:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: BlooDsTainD on June 03, 2007, 01:50:18 am: I think the money could be reset, BUT, more measures would have to be thought of to make more money, say for example lock all cars so people have to take taxis. and restrict other things making players NEED to pay for services people can offer.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Tabitha on June 03, 2007, 08:54:07 am: that is a good idea about locking the cars, and theyre being sum sort of system so that only the people who own the cars can get into them, like a name matching criteria.... and leave the un-owed cars unlocked, so that people can still be criminals if they want too.....at least taxis/buses/limos will have a better chance then, and its another way of earning money.
and also on another server i use to play on, we each had our cars and houses passworded, so that no one else ould get inj them, dunno if you can have the houses passworded and still allow people rent, but at least it would stop people moaning about not wanting other players in their homes.......
(maybe this shud be in 0.2 ideas lol)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: rJCaiG on June 03, 2007, 09:54:40 am: Developers, I can not believe you are even thinking about this. I reckon there's about 100 people on this server with over 150k, which they WORKED for. 100+ people, working their asses off for 100k+, then just like that, the server goes all emo about new players joining...Sorry for any body I may be dissing, but, as Tice said, new players join every day. We do not reset the server then, so maybe we should treat this upgrade as "another day" ?
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Kaltsu on June 03, 2007, 10:46:42 am: As mentioned, we are talking about a major update here.
Let's put it this way, which one would you like more? To keep your money or SA:MP 0.2?
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: RiX[LV] on June 03, 2007, 11:36:07 am: All want keep money and SA:MP 0.2!
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Tice on June 03, 2007, 12:02:48 pm: Quote from: Kaltsu on June 03, 2007, 10:46:42 am
As mentioned, we are talking about a major update here.
Let's put it this way, which one would you like more? To keep your money or SA:MP 0.2?

Why should a major update make a difference? The update has no reason to require us to lose all our money.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jakez on June 03, 2007, 12:05:16 pm: Are we 100% sure that we'll lose our money in SA:MP 0.2?
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on June 03, 2007, 12:54:19 pm: Quote from: Tice on June 03, 2007, 12:02:48 pm
The update has no reason to require us to lose all our money.

It has... In version 0.1b you did not need to work or roleplay really to get money... Also all missions of version 0.1b were totally abused by regulars (rpg veterans)... As developers have no any wish to check all 2500 accounts logs who abused when and how - they can make a reality a disicion to reset all accounts...

We do not want some abusers to lead the finances of Argonath SA:MP...

To those who screams, that people will leave server:

1. If virtual money are more important for you then the community of server - you can go right now, even if money will not be resetted...
2. Developers have a lot of experiences before opening their own servers... The experience says - servers do not lose players cos of resetting money... So it is a bullshit... I was one of those players, who lost money twice in internet game cos admin resetted accounts... I earned back what I wanted in 2 weeks...
3. Once again: if the earning money will be totally changed - all who earned money in easy way of 0.1b - will lose their account money...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Rodriguez on June 03, 2007, 12:59:07 pm: Agreed.. Ron just lock the topic.. ppl will only say the same thing over and over again and argue with you.. :conf:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jakez on June 03, 2007, 01:00:58 pm: Good good, i understand now.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: [GSF]Niall on June 03, 2007, 03:07:33 pm: I think money should be kept because as someone said before you get so far in the game for it to be resetted? And then 0.3 and 0.4 might come out and the same thing will happen.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Tice on June 03, 2007, 03:25:41 pm: Quote from: Aragorn on June 03, 2007, 12:54:19 pm
It has... In version 0.1b you did not need to work or roleplay really to get money...

That's true, but how will it change in 0.2? People find ways around stuff.

Quote from: RON
Also all missions of version 0.1b were totally abused by regulars (rpg veterans)... As developers have no any wish to check all 2500 accounts logs who abused when and how - they can make a reality a disicion to reset all accounts...

People will just start abusing again to get their money back, they will always find ways around scripts.

Quote from: RON
1. If virtual money are more important for you then the community of server - you can go right now, even if money will not be resetted...

Well, money IS a big part of Argonath, and makes the community what it is. I never said it's more important then the community, but I think resetting it all will damage it alot.

Quote from: RON
2. Developers have a lot of experiences before opening their own servers... The experience says - servers do not lose players cos of resetting money... So it is a bullshit... I was one of those players, who lost money twice in internet game cos admin resetted accounts... I earned back what I wanted in 2 weeks...

Fair point, but it's the fact that people really don't see the need to earn back their money, and would rather stay with what they've got. It just seems unneccecary.

Quote from: RON
3. Once again: if the earning money will be totally changed - all who earned money in easy way of 0.1b - will lose their account money...

But think of the concequinces of doing that - people will be desperate to earn all their lose cash back. They will try anything that can earn cash quick, and abuse it.

edit: I dunno, I guess this should be locked. Everyone will just keep arguing...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on June 03, 2007, 08:45:41 pm: All abusers will be banned as money cheaters...
Admins will have more possibilities to check everyone on server...
Missions will be changed... And it means they will be changed with the experience of the 0.1b abuse...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Gandalf on June 03, 2007, 08:58:49 pm: Talking about checking accounts.
we have 15.400 platers accounts on SA:MP (all 2007).
of them 7.544 were active last month.
and 633 were active last 24 hours.

The resetting of money and user accounts is not something we thought of today.
To make the new scripts do what we want we need a new player database, where we will store other and different data.
With the experience we have there will be new scripts, built from 0 lines. So if we need to save money we must read old accounts and save them in to new ones. If we do this for all players, we get a lot of files that will never be used. If we do it for limited time, what if an older player comes back ? We could make a convert command for players to do it by themselves, but that would need a lot of testing and delay the whole script making.
As we are now designing a new system to our wishes, this system will be used in the future and will be made compatile with future versions.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Masacru_Alex on June 03, 2007, 09:36:27 pm: I got another idea , JUST RESTART ALL ACCOUNT , it will bea new start with 0.2 :) YOu'll fight to work to get money to buy..it won't be cool (today you start the 0.2 server and after 24 hours all things are bought!Not cool

Why do you complicate that much ?Do scripts and stuff and restart all accounts like i said
0.2 =a new beggining for all :)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: TomazK on June 03, 2007, 10:02:50 pm: I hope that you guys will
find a peaceful solution.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Tice on June 04, 2007, 12:47:13 am: Quote from: Aragorn on June 03, 2007, 08:45:41 pm
All abusers will be banned as money cheaters...
Admins will have more possibilities to check everyone on server...
Missions will be changed... And it means they will be changed with the experience of the 0.1b abuse...

Well, OK. I guess if we have more chances of earning money other then being a cop then people will come to terms with it easier.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: el_boricua56 on June 04, 2007, 07:52:11 pm: I dont think is fair to loose all the money. Was very very very hard to me to make my money to buy a bussines after 3 months. Its not easy to make more than 1 million and after all the sacrifice i did i will loose all in one second.? playing a lot of hours to make money for nothing? this sound"s very frustrating to me :hit:.

I hope we can keep the money because its very unfair to some players that make a big sacrifice of working to make his money. :hit: New players join everyday. In real life people dont loose their money.
I saved all to make this money.
1) usually never buying weapons from anmu nation.
2) dont buying armor in anmu nation.
3) Never moding cars with nitro,paint ect..
4) Never expending the money in taxis, limo ect.
5) Dont deathmatching.
6) playing 7- 12 hours every day. (usually)

If i loose my money is same that killing all my life in this server.And all the hard work and hours!!!!!!in this server working for my money and making sacrifices to save more and not expending in all like other people.

What about all the hours regulars played and suported the server? Its not fair to loose all. New players found this idea great!Because they dint maked that sacrifice. But this is a direct hit in the heart of old players.

After know this im loosing the motivation to play in this server...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: wkter on June 04, 2007, 08:31:55 pm: If we will lose EVRYTHING, then I just say:
C ay in 0.2..

Why play when we are gonna lose it?
If we just are gonna lose money, I say:
No problem :) I'll still be playing.

I thing most will keep their money.
I don't care about my,about 10k.
Just my NIICE car D)

What's it gonna be?
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Vaeldious on June 04, 2007, 08:35:27 pm: I agree with both sides... I think it is rather unfair to loose the money players have worked so hard (and abused so easily) to obtain...however I also agree that due to the abusers the money should be reset. Quite simply, it is a case of a few bad apples spoiling the whole pie...had we not had abusers, we would not be questioning whether or not to keep the money.

I strongly agree with Ron's point about it's not the money that matters, its the COMMUNITY. And yes, the money does play a part, but not enough of one to realistically matter.

If the money is reset though, I think all skin classes should be able to make money easily. Mole missions (while fruitful) success is determined by how many other players there are competing. As a civilian, if you don't go after mole, even WITH a business, its hard to make any 'real' money. As a cop, it is way to easy to isolate DMers and suspect them and moneyfarm them (of which I have had to freeze several regulars).

I don't know what kind of goodies 0.2 Argonath holds for us, but I propose this solution:

-Reset money (however have some kind of "reward" system, like tickets in an arcade)
-Ensure that All classes have equal oppurtunity income potential.

I believe Resetting the money will be a positive thing....because although I think it WILL be a mad rush when 0.2 hit, it will weed out the players that are not in the game to support the community...the players that play "for money, not for fun" will pack up and leave.

I do not post these views as a person with no cash, I have comming up on 500k (lot more by the time 0.2 hits), but I know that I can always earn money again, while it IS frustrating, to have earned and lost, such is life.

Shit happens. :)

Either way the pendelum swings, I will stand behind the Argonath Administration 100%.

Just a thought.

-=V=-

:ps: Remember guys...it's just a game. It's not like you just put 200k into the stock market and your broker lost the files.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Pistol Man on June 04, 2007, 08:41:52 pm: removed: overquoting
Admin: Aragorn

yeah sure shit happens, look what happened to the penguin in ur avatar D)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: el_boricua56 on June 04, 2007, 08:44:07 pm: ONE WORD (INDIGNATION)

When finally i see the results of my work. And i payed all my debt i will loose all!!!!! great :hit: :hit: :hit:

yeah just 10 k you dont care! nice really funny for new players .....anyway you will get 10 k when you start again.

But not funny for old players>>>
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Vaeldious on June 04, 2007, 08:47:18 pm: Quote from: Pistol Man on June 04, 2007, 08:41:52 pm
yeah sure shit happens, look what happened to the penguin in ur avatar D)
:mad:

Talkin smack about Mr Cuddles?

There is a 94.67% chance he will F*** up your day.

He is also a 5 stripe / Polka dotted Black Belt Ninja Penguin. He can also fly, has infared vision, night vision, super speed and can lift up to 56,000 times his own weight.

Here is a picture of the last creature that messed with him, just before its untimely demise...

-=V=-
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Pistol Man on June 04, 2007, 08:50:07 pm: Post modified
Reason: overqouting
Admin: Aragorn

does he got an engine with a power of 3000 horses too? D)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Vaeldious on June 04, 2007, 08:51:11 pm: Quote from: Pistol Man on June 04, 2007, 08:50:07 pm
does he got an engine with a power of 3000 horses too?

No, but his Penguin-Mobile does.

-=V=-

/end off topic discussion.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on June 04, 2007, 08:52:40 pm: ... maybe he is a chav penguin who thinks he is 'solid'. He will have an older 'brother' in the army, and he has a lazer gun and will kick your head in if you call his little brother something... :roll:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: el_boricua56 on June 04, 2007, 08:54:34 pm: Quote from: wkter on June 04, 2007, 08:31:55 pm
If we will lose EVRYTHING, then I just say:
C ay in 0.2..

Why play when we are gonna lose it?
If we just are gonna lose money, I say:
No problem :) I'll still be playing.

I thing most will keep their money.
I don't care about my,about 10k.
Just my NIICE car D)

What's it gonna be?

Yeah you dont care.

But i care about my money. Do you think was easy to make this money? NO

In real life you will close a entire company just because new companies are coming???

I cant believe this....... ITS!!!!! I AM :mad:.))))

The solution is to reset to 0%%% all the work of some players...
what is the objective of this?

I think that opinion of the regulars players need to be reconsidered about this...

Regulars suported this server playing a lot.... I want a fair solution to this.

Only people that will suport this are the new players!
What about the old players???? Just cut all his work to 00000 like nothing?
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Tice on June 04, 2007, 09:56:27 pm: Post modified
Reason: overquoting
Admin: Aragorn

I think the point they're trying to make is the fact that people abused stuff like MOLE missions to get money, and so we all have to suffer the consequinces of that select few.

EDIT: Sorry RON
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Pandalink on June 05, 2007, 12:04:40 am: You simply cannot cut off the rewards from a past of playtime. If older players have more money.. so be it, they earnt it.

As a localised example, TrojanTM, Jay and I have been making money on SA:MP.
Jay has a house.
Trojan has a bike.
I have a lot of money - wanna buy a house but the markets closed.

Reset all of this, what was the point of me making my money? I have had nothing come of it and resetting it will have been an utmost waste of my time. When I play Argonath I choose one of several options, the first being least stressful. -

:: Roleplay, usually Triad or ANG. Lose a little money (respawning, self-defence).
:: Do my bus route - earn very little money, if any.
:: Play as Cops - earn some money.

I do not want to be spited for choosing the most stressful options to make those few more $ to buy something nice and have my possibly upcoming reward snatched away from me.

We have two sides of the coin here - the ones who don't want it reset; and the ones who agree with the administration. I'm pretty sure the latter would be pretty happy with either course of action, the former will not be.

Please, don't reset the money. I assure you the effort put in to transfer it over WILL be worth it.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: [Rstar]Razor on June 05, 2007, 02:54:37 am: I believe you should not keep the money, in the start, lots of players earned lots of cash Abusing of Casinos, MOLE missions, etc...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: el_boricua56 on June 05, 2007, 03:57:17 am: The people that abused scripts need to punished.

But is not a excuse to reset all people money!!!! Money made with sacrifice and with hard work!!!! Playing a lot... I mean a lot of hours just working to make money.(7- 12 hours a day) i did that...

Like i can see people that dont know how to admin their money dont care about money reseting. All the people that Dm or spend in cars, weapons, ect.

But you think is really fair to reset the money of the player that sacrifice to be there??? All that time spend in the server dont count? All that job that lot of hours that i spend in this server for nothing. I did that because i thinked in the results of this. And did that sacrifice of time and work to be more relax later.

If people learn how to admin their cash they will have results. But im not going to play 3 months again.... for that... That is crazy.... I did that work to have results and now i will loose all???? I did that to have a place for my mafia to start bussines. With this bussines we can RP better and workers and members earn money. But!!!!

Its very fun to new people and im getting mad.
They just say ahahah XD i dont have money i dont care. Reset the money.

Now i will say. Learn to administrate your money if you are new or you dont know how to save cash is not my problem i dont care. I take care of my problems. Because some people DM, spend in guns mod cars or dont have bank account. And they cant save.

Well i have money i worked for it and i will fight to keep it with me. Because was hard to get it.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: hell1989 on June 05, 2007, 04:10:52 am: I never abuse look at me I only have 400k from the start because I am not a constant cop like some people, cops need to be looked at. In other servers people would love to be a cop for the fun of catching suspects and bringing them into jail, here they just kill for the money. Well if the money is going to be reseted then oh well people have time to learn how to RP and not be Dmer cops.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Gandalf on June 05, 2007, 10:51:15 am: El_Boricua and others who want to keep money, give us an idea on how to keep money but avoid inflation. We are working on a more even system, and we do not want prices to go further beyond reality than they are now.
If you can get a good idea, we will reconsider.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: tiderman on June 05, 2007, 12:04:42 pm: In 0.2 it will be atleast.. 97.25678 % cops all the time when evrybody just got 10k ..
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 12:06:55 pm: Quote from: tiderman on June 05, 2007, 12:04:42 pm
In 0.2 it will be atleast.. 97.25678 % cops all the time when evrybody just got 10k ..

What is the difference with 0.1b version then?
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Watti on June 05, 2007, 12:19:46 pm: ok.. i like the Idea.. of having Clean scripts...

No properties bought no money except 10k Starting money...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: tiderman on June 05, 2007, 01:21:15 pm: Quote from: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 12:06:55 pm
What is the difference with 0.1b version then?
Youre right.. There is 97.25678 % now too :wow:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Decy on June 05, 2007, 01:25:01 pm: Unless you make a kinda daily payday for other services such as limo, taxi, bus drivers, aparamedics etc. 1k a day or something, along with the peice-rate of whatever the fare costs, more money for player, reducin the need to kill suspects or jail them, this also provides a service for other players :)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 01:45:05 pm: Paydays ruin the RPG even more then dmers...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: [Rstar]Razor on June 05, 2007, 02:22:00 pm: lol, why?It's cannot be abused, or can it beAnd you work lots, then get little extra cash(You choose Like $500-$1000) depending on the work
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on June 05, 2007, 04:33:17 pm: IMO there should be no paychecks.. instead, start a buisness.. hire workers.. ask for government donation.. pay out your workers.. now thats RPG ;)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 04:36:59 pm: Cos the experience shows: with the payday players do not care really about any work...
Why should they work, if they can just sit on server and get money...
Those who sit more then others - gets money...
So where is RPG here???
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on June 05, 2007, 04:39:35 pm: Quote from: 9r2e5i3k on June 05, 2007, 04:33:17 pm
IMO there should be no paychecks.. instead, start a buisness.. hire workers.. ask for government donation.. pay out your workers.. now thats RPG ;)

Can [ALS] request a loan from the Government in order to reinvent the business in Las Venturas in 0.2?
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Gandalf on June 05, 2007, 04:44:53 pm: Payday will make people sit on server idle to get money. Good for statistic. Bad for play.
It is clear that most people see being a cop gets you the most money right now. So we wil try to change it and make it more even. But always it will be that if you work, you can earn money. Don't work, you do not earn.
As government we are responsible for keeping the economy alive. Right now, too much 'black cash' that came from nowhere. The reason is that we did not fully control black cash from the beginning. Result is inflation, we need to up prices or reset money. It is our responsibiity to keep the economy going.
So unless you can give a full acount of your money, you might be taxed heavily. D)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: tiderman on June 05, 2007, 04:46:11 pm: Quote from: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 04:36:59 pm
Cos the experience shows: with the payday players do not care really about any work...
Why should they work, if they can just sit on server and get money...
Those who sit more then others - gets money...
So where is RPG here???
I think thats realistic lol. actualy D)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 04:50:33 pm: Quote from: tiderman on June 05, 2007, 04:46:11 pm
I think thats realistic lol. actualy D)

Actually good boss will fire you as soon as he will see you "idling" at work...
Do you think Argonath admins are losers that are happy to pay money to every lazy ass?
Posted on: June 05, 2007, 03:47:52 PM
Quote from: Gandalf on June 05, 2007, 04:44:53 pm
Right now, too much 'black cash' that came from nowhere.

Illegal immigrants, mr. President...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Prometheus[NL] on June 05, 2007, 05:07:39 pm: Quote from: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 04:36:59 pm
Cos the experience shows: with the payday players do not care really about any work...
Why should they work, if they can just sit on server and get money...
Those who sit more then others - gets money...
So where is RPG here???
I agree but isn't there a payday for cops already ??? I say take it out in 0.2 or pay cops for a NUMBER of successful busts lets say this ; a cop has to do a certain number of busts if he reaches that number he gets a normal paycheck maybe with a little bonus if he doesn't he gets payed the bare minimum to support his daily needs and payout is on paydays once a week maybe so there are fixed payouts .so I'm talking of a sort of bonus system to encourage state workers to do their jobs without letting them earn too much too easily (and please remove the $1000 bonus a cop gets when another cop shoots him just punish the killer and only compensate the killed here's why : I spawn as cop and get shot 4 times by Dming cops , they get kicked but i get 4000 money that i shouldn't have because most of the time these people get banned , so i put another 4000 in the game that i hardly worked for thus increasing inflation and i think this borders on money cheating but you cant help if a dmer spawnkills you........oh and one more thing cant the government create some government jobs like a desk clerk at city hall on Saturdays and some sort of administrative function these people could be payed per job they do so no paydays just work and pay ...just an idea
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 05:20:16 pm: There is no payday for cops...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: dan_lcfc on June 05, 2007, 05:32:01 pm: TBH, everybody may aswel stop arguing and protesting to keep their money. (I want to keep mine but I'm fed up of this topic....)
If it has to be done because of new scripts etc.. which will make the server better, then who cares. And please no "yea but i worked soooo hard for my money" after this post because quite frankly, I couldnt give a toss. I aint gonna read another post on this topic because I really CBA!
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: wkter on June 05, 2007, 05:45:39 pm: I got an idea..

Old, and active players can keep SOME of their money (70%?), if they send an request (I request my hotring now :) ). And inactive players lose their money.

And payday - Have I got this right?
You mean evryplayers get eg. 10k a week? :neutral:

To me payday means - you can come to the ch and get all the money you have earnd as being cop (or something else).
If you haben't earnd enything - you get nothing.

But still, payday is a bad idea ;)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 05:47:22 pm: Quote from: wkter on June 05, 2007, 05:45:39 pm
I got an idea..

Old, and active players can keep SOME of their money (70%?)

Wanna me start checking 15 000 accounts???
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: wkter on June 05, 2007, 05:49:02 pm: Quote from: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 05:47:22 pm
Wanna me start checking 15 000 accounts???
DO'H!
Why do u think I say "IF they send an request" :roll:
Read ALL next time D)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: el_boricua56 on June 05, 2007, 06:37:04 pm: Quote from: Gandalf on June 05, 2007, 10:51:15 am
El_Boricua and others who want to keep money, give us an idea on how to keep money but avoid inflation. We are working on a more even system, and we do not want prices to go further beyond reality than they are now.
If you can get a good idea, we will reconsider.

OK. Many people will be afected by reseting the money, they will feel very frustrated and and disgusted with this. because they have worked for the money. I think that if the money is reseted we will a a very slow economy in argonath.From where people will have an income? paydays? i know u dont want that. All people will start with minimiun money and their objectve will be to get all money back.That means people will not pay for services because they want to save. Economy is not going to work then. people will save, they are not going to use services, and the people that will try to provide this services are not going to earn money. But if you keep money the people that have money can spend in services, the bussines will employ workers and they will earn money. Then the economy can move. You can change the system but keep money of the people so economy can keep moving. Or we will have a recesion all people will only save and they are not going to pay for services. And all people will try to play as cops to get the money back and they will abuse of comands. I think there is another point. I think cop earnings need to be changed. Example: only people with passport can play as cops. Because some people just join the server get cop skin and start atacking all people. I think we must prevent that. To get passport they must know the rules and they will get experience in the server. Other thing is the the jailing suspect. I dont see a point in surrender. The system must be changed. If you get killed by a cop you loose 500 and if you get jailed by a cop you loose 500. So there is no point in surrender. Example: a suspect loose 300$ if they go to jail and he loose 500$ if he gets killed. They will see a diference and a lot of them will surrender. And give a bonus to cops when they jail a criminal. That will motivate more cops to make a better job in the server. And a lot of abuses can be stoped for once.

;)
Title: The 0.1 - 0.2 money situation.
Post by: Pandalink on June 05, 2007, 07:01:51 pm: I would have to agree with this; people will be ticked off that the potential fruit of their work is being taken away from them - and of course as El_Boricua said nobody will pay for services such as taxi or bus because they will want to save.

If people lose all money, they will become desperate.
Desperate people are potentially dangerous people.
Desperate people will exploit anything they can to earn their money back. Reason? - "It's rightfully mine to take back because I had it before, then you took it."

As for Gandalf's (very valid) point about inflation - perhaps introduce extra costs to sap some of the existing $ from the system.

:: Maybe charge for the Mobile Phone service more (I know it does right now, but not to any real, sizeable amount).

:: Being able to hire a premesis for an event; but with an automatic script system that charges a small amount (say for example $1k-$2k) to rent to venue for period of time. The money is a server Currency Sink.

:: Rent-a-car. The car dealers and other places could have rent-only cars owned by the server as such and that can be rented out which might provide extra permissions (the extra permissions one would have when owning the car) which is up to whatever the Dev team make for the car ownership system.
~The extra scripting could be worth it, as there is another idea for a possible player owned business (with server set prices on whichever cars they place in their business).

There are lots of possible Currency Sinks that could be introduced to tackle inflation - it can be done, and along the way new features would be added to make the game experience even better, such as the Rent-a-car.

Such drastic measures need not be introduced on the money, as I've said before any extra work put in, will surely be worth it. D)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on June 05, 2007, 07:04:45 pm: Quote from: Pandalink on June 05, 2007, 07:01:51 pm

:: Rent-a-car. The car dealers and other places could have rent-only cars owned by the server as such and that can be rented out which might provide extra permissions (the extra permissions one would have when owning the car) which is up to whatever the Dev team make for the car ownership system.

I really embrace this idea ;)
Title: Re: The 0.1 - 0.2 money situation.
Post by: [Rstar]Razor on June 05, 2007, 07:05:38 pm: If i lose ALL my cash, i will keep playing on Argonath, i love to RPG and if you do so, you will have no problems with losing all you're cash.
Title: Re: The 0.1 - 0.2 money situation.
Post by: Pandalink on June 05, 2007, 07:10:10 pm: Quote from: 007 on June 05, 2007, 07:05:38 pm
If i lose ALL my cash, i will keep playing on Argonath, i love to RPG and if you do so, you will have no problems with losing all you're cash.

I agree with where you're coming from, but the key there is the RPG.
This is still a Game, and games are supposed to be fun. Some who RP enjoy seeing a monetary or even simply a numerical reward for some of their actions. If that reward is stricken, then maybe they will become disheartened.

And also, in the situation all money is taken, nobody will have any money. Everyone will be abusing/exploiting (along with legitimately) making money. But the bottom line is those making money will not be doing the pure roleplay that comes with monetary satisfaction.

"I have 100k, so whats 1k spent on a RP session?"

will become

"I only have 20k now. I don't want to spend this money on RP."

And please don't come back with "Oh, but we can RP the money.". There IS a limit to RP.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: el_boricua56 on June 05, 2007, 08:48:26 pm: I will wait for a response. But anyway the protest will continue in Los santos City Hall.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 08:55:46 pm: You can protest as much as you want...
We already made it clear... Lots of regulars abused scripts to make easy money...
There are 15.400 accounts on server...
Scripts will be changed (money earning)...
Admins will have more tools to catch abusers...

With this all point on resetting money...

And one more...
Server is opened 3 months...
All this time the scripts were tested... we were constantly adding new, making better admins tools...

So this 3 months developers cannot even concider as completted scripts for playing...

So think about admins point of view... Not only about your money...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: [Rstar]Razor on June 05, 2007, 09:09:57 pm: Quote from: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 08:55:46 pm
You can protest as much as you want...
We already made it clear... Lots of regulars abused scripts to make easy money...
There are 15.400 accounts on server...
Scripts will be changed (money earning)...
Admins will have more tools to catch abusers...

With this all point on resetting money...

And one more...
Server is opened 3 months...
All this time the scripts were tested... we were constantly adding new, making better admins tools...

So this 3 months developers cannot even concider as completted scripts for playing...

So think about admins point of view... Not only about your money...

I agree with you, this cash, was made with scripts(That were being tested), and so much players abused of them, as they didn't have protection against abuse.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: el_boricua56 on June 05, 2007, 09:31:40 pm: The players that maked teh cash abusing scripts need to be pusnihed.! but the fair players that worked for their no.))) But the point of view of the regulars need to be considered. NO i cant believe! and now i received menaces of be banned for protesting.

I am angry because was hard to make the money. When i protest i just hear people saying that they dont care because they dont have money!!! :mad: There is no point on this.

Im not going to pay for other people actions!

Admins i exposed my point about the economy. What about that?

(http://images6.pictiger.com/thumbs/1d/aec164ccf2d5dc210b9867570ff3471d.th.png) (http://server6.pictiger.com/img/242107/picture-hosting/sa-mp-205-.php)

I think Chainsaw is not an admin, so stop your menaces about banning but is an abusive cops in our protests. Just look the screnshots.

(http://images6.pictiger.com/thumbs/45/74ec9190a16ef148e81f2433f0f99d45.th.png) (http://server6.pictiger.com/img/242112/picture-hosting/sa-mp-285-.php)

(http://images6.pictiger.com/thumbs/12/7819ac645307d5abe96d2fc46e7e5912.th.png) (http://server6.pictiger.com/img/242118/picture-hosting/sa-mp-287-.php)

(http://images6.pictiger.com/thumbs/5f/cac11e14254a08e8dcf8d48a5021e75f.th.png) (http://server6.pictiger.com/img/242120/picture-hosting/sa-mp-306-.php)

I am very angry. I worked for my money and i want a fair resolution. I know about a lot of people that worked very hard. Its not fair for all this people!

when 0.3 come we are going to loose our money again?

All the job and suport most be considered its not easy work to get that money. Not easy . was very very very very hard to get taht money.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Serpico on June 05, 2007, 09:55:48 pm: Ok but 1 thing is real dumb. Sometime ago u guys said that put money to bank and it will be saved to 0.2 But now u guys said that we lose everything. I dont understand whats going on :conf:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 09:59:08 pm: If you do not like it - you can just leave server...

Rockstar will not send you GTA SA for free, just cos your userfiles were removed...
And as i know many players had problems, getting the game again and were playing it...

I am answering once again and for the last time: I will not check all 15400 accounts on possible abusing the old scripts, when all scripts system will be fucking different...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: wkter on June 05, 2007, 10:09:49 pm: Quote from: Pups on June 05, 2007, 09:55:48 pm
Ok but 1 thing is real dumb. Sometime ago u guys said that put money to bank and it will be saved to 0.2 But now u guys said that we lose everything. I dont understand whats going on :conf:

WHAT THE!?
You freaking liars!
Why the heck im I having my money in the bank NOW!?

Quote from: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 09:59:08 pm
If you do not like it - you can just leave server...
Well we keep the cars? No = probaly bye if I can't get a new hotring :)

Quote from: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 09:59:08 pm
Rockstar will not send you GTA SA for free, just cos your userfiles were removed...
If the userfiles where romoved, its the users fault.
If YOU remove OUR money (my car?) its YOUR fault.

Quote from: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 09:59:08 pm
Rockstar will not send you GTA SA for free
Did you buy your game :conf:

Quote from: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 09:59:08 pm
I am answering once again and for the last time: I will not check all 15400 accounts on possible abusing the old scripts, when all scripts system will be fucking different...

So are we gonna keep the money in our bank as you said erlier?

Im confused..
First we are gonna keep the money in our bank, and suddently we are not?
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Niitro on June 05, 2007, 10:21:10 pm: Quote from: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 09:59:08 pm
I am answering once again and for the last time: I will not check all 15400 accounts on possible abusing the old scripts, when all scripts system will be fucking different...

15400 :wow: WOW , that's much ...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 10:28:35 pm: Quote
Well we keep the cars? No = probaly bye if I can't get a new hotring
bye...
Quote
If the userfiles where romoved, its the users fault.
If YOU remove OUR money (my car?) its YOUR fault.
So if you lose user file - you stop play that game, cos you earned money hard and lost it cos of that "fucking disk" or "fucking computer"???

Quote
Did you buy your game
Sure, I always have originals on all programs i am working with.

Quote
So are we gonna keep the money in our bank as you said erlier?
Money will be resetted... You can go and write "goodbye forever" topic already now...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: T r o j a n TM on June 05, 2007, 10:31:18 pm: Guys this is Argonath >>>RPG<<< Not Argonath Money. Forget money just role play, if you want money... Go out in the real world where money is worth something.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Gandalf on June 05, 2007, 10:33:36 pm: I think I have been as clear as possible. When the scripts for 0.2 are ready we will know for sure and inform players.
We have never told you to save money, not to save it, buy or not buy a house or a car. Whatever you want to do is your decision.

As for me, I see that for the 2.0 scrit there will be a new player file, new car file, new house and business files. Why ? To make more and better possibilities for eveyone. Right now when a player is gone or changed name and we want to reset his house or car this is as good as impossible. We are busy 10 minutes searching IP. We do not know when a player started on server. Houses do not save upgrades. You sell your house ? Your housecash stays for the next guy who buys it. Clan tag protection ? We need to incorprate tags in the player file
All of these things we want to change. For this we must redesign all file system, make new fields for players database. The result is that we can not use the current files in the new system. A logic following of that is that we have just a few options.
If we want to keep the players posessions it will be a lot of work. We will need to open files, check them, enter data in to new files. To do this for all accounts that were made would mean we need 2 months. Nobody wants a 2-month delay, right ?
Next is a conversion script, to make players do it themselves. To develop and test this to be working correct will as well take a lot of time.
We want to concentrate on making the new script, not on patching the old one. We want to get the server out on 0.2 as soon as possibl after the release.

If you want to have the advantages of 0.2 and the new system, you must take the small disadvantage of having to start from 0. If you want to keep what you have now the only option is that everyone will have to wait longer. I think in this time we would need to develop and test converting most players will have earned already what they have now.

After all, this is nothing more than a game. Remember that.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: wkter on June 05, 2007, 10:56:53 pm: Quote from: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 10:28:35 pm
bye...So if you lose user file - you stop play that game, cos you earned money hard and lost it cos of that "fucking disk" or "fucking computer"???
Sure, I always have originals on all programs i am working with.
Money will be resetted... You can go and write "goodbye forever" topic already now...
Exquze me!

Quote from: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 10:28:35 pm
bye...So if you lose user file - you stop play that game, cos you earned money hard and lost it cos of that "fucking disk" or "fucking computer"???
I said it was the USERS fault..
I have lost my userfiles TWICE.
But I didn't got a "fucking disk" or "fucking computer".
And I lost my files in a fire (well.. GTA2, and vice)
And I guess you never have played at the casinos and exited the game when you lost and saved when you earned?
And that 'bye'.. IF I can't get another or some other cool car.

Quote from: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 10:28:35 pm
Sure, I always have originals on all programs i am working with.

I ain't rich xD
I download SOMTHIMES cracked versions ;)

Quote from: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 10:28:35 pm
Money will be resetted... You can go and write "goodbye forever" topic already now...

Ok, I never thought I would get THIS angry!
1. I haven't cryed for my money!
2. I never said I WAS gonna leave. I sad IF I cant get another HOTRING!
3. Theres still way to erly to withg 'goodbye forever'!

Just cut this now.
I won't get more angry and get myself banned ;)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Gandalf on June 05, 2007, 10:58:53 pm: wkter you will be able to get the coolest car you can think of. The only thing... you will need to work for it. ;)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: el_boricua56 on June 05, 2007, 11:03:06 pm: Ok i understand your point gandalf and aragorn is a lot of work. Lets just enjoy 0.2. If admins can do someting for keep money they will do. But i understand all the job they are doing and the new upgrades we will enjoy in 0.2. All that accounts 15,000.... Well, is better to just play the 0.2 if its that the only option. I will just spend my money in mod cars parties events ect...but i want to be sure so i can spend all this money. i want to be sure of this to stay more relax and just spend my money and have fun. Just understand why i was mad. :weed2: :weed2: :weed2: :weed2:

I apologize for today i get mad. And i did incorrect things.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Rocco on June 05, 2007, 11:04:32 pm: Will it be like, you can contact an admin and say "Hello, i would like to buy a Pink Limo with Nitro placed outside my house in Mulholland! It will cost what!? okay ill pay! when will it be here" okay okay just the first part of that you should read i just starting loving offer the car LOL XDDDDD!!!

So you can say

Car type:
Car Color:
Extras:
Place:

Or what? :D
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 11:14:30 pm: Quote from: wkter on June 05, 2007, 10:56:53 pm
And I guess you never have played at the casinos and exited the game when you lost and saved when you earned?
I played casinos, crashed (not my fault) and lost money... I was not complaining to the SA:MP developers that I lost my money in their game program...
There are two types of players:
1. One type understands it is a game and it can crash, change scripts (totally even), etc.
2. Second type think, every their crash on server admins should recover...

Quote from: wkter on June 05, 2007, 10:56:53 pm
Ok, I never thought I would get THIS angry!
1. I haven't cryed for my money!
2. I never said I WAS gonna leave. I sad IF I cant get another HOTRING!
3. Theres still way to erly to withg 'goodbye forever'!

Just cut this now.
I won't get more angry and get myself banned ;)

And what did you do? You were crying about hotring (the same)...
And if you got angry from one my post, imagine how can be angry Aragorn to read all this 10 lists of crying...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: wkter on June 05, 2007, 11:36:36 pm: Quote from: Aragorn on June 05, 2007, 11:14:30 pm
I played casinos, crashed (not my fault) and lost money... I was not complaining to the SA:MP developers that I lost my money in their game program...
There are two types of players:
1. One type understands it is a game and it can crash, change scripts (totally even), etc.
2. Second type think, every their crash on server admins should recover...

And what did you do? You were crying about hotring (the same)...
And if you got angry from one my post, imagine how can be angry Aragorn to read all this 10 lists of crying...

Yes, I understand.
I was angry cuz it felt like you wanted to push me away.
And that example with the casino was singleplayer ;)
I don't get quick angry. And when I do, I get REALLY angry for small things.
But when you said "you can go and wright a 'goodbye forever' topic already, I just wanted to smash the wall, and the screen and throw it out the window.
But a hotring is harder to get than money.
But since you have made your decision, theres no point in begging to keep it :)

And when I think about it, I undestand very well thats you got it worse than me :lol:

Im sorry ;)

And one last thing:
wkter wonders why Aragorn talks about Aragorn in 3rd person. :)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Pandalink on June 06, 2007, 12:03:26 am: Fine, fine.

So the money IS being reset?
I can go and blow it all and then not have you turn around and change mind? D)

And btw Ron, we're not "crying". We were annoyed that the fruits of our works were being taken away from us.
BUT, as long as fair warning is given to the release of 0.2 Argonath, and you don't add too many more commands to learn T.T (:P) I think I'll get over it.

:rofl:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on June 06, 2007, 07:12:13 am: About crying answer was to wkter's post...
You can check all my posts in this topic you hardly will find any other "crying"...

I can understand that some people were working hard to get money... Meanwhile there are other people, who simply abused scripts and also complaining on losing money...

While you think "My 50 dollars will be disappear", there are people who think "Damn, my millions will be resetted"...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Niitro on June 06, 2007, 08:40:54 am: Reset ???
OK than ...
When we will upgrade to 0.2 ...
Need to know how much time i have to spend it all ... D) :) :lol:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on June 06, 2007, 08:58:06 am: Guys three developers were explaining you the same things...
You can choose: the new scripts system, that will cover most of wish lists ideas, buyings/sellings/business/houses/etc but from the 0... Or the old system with old money...

That is why developers are more concentrated on the new 0.2 version then on checking all accounts how much money they have, were that legal money or not...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Niitro on June 06, 2007, 09:05:35 am: My choose : The new scripts system, that will cover most of wish lists ideas, buyings/sellings/business/houses/etc but from the 0 ...
But what i want to know is when will be the server reset ... ???
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: RobbyMeister on June 06, 2007, 09:26:51 am: Oh, god damn, it's a fucking meaningless question - ofcourse we want 0.2 scripts better than money. I have pretty much money that i have worked for in two months, but who cares if i lose them? Not me.. this is RPG, why just care about money? Besides, in SA:MP it's sooo easy to get money, if you put a little work in it. In 2 hours of limo driving, you can earn like $5000 to $10000 if you got many customers.

To transfer all players to the new script is not just going to take much time. It will aslo be a loooooooooooot of work for the developers. As i have understood, you will have to open each of the player files, and then copy them to the new script. Please, don't let Gandalf do such things, he's old :P

Bring the new script on, fuck the money!
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Gandalf on June 06, 2007, 09:34:14 am: Quote from: Rocco on June 05, 2007, 11:04:32 pm
Will it be like, you can contact an admin and say "Hello, i would like to buy a Pink Limo with Nitro placed outside my house in Mulholland! It will cost what!? okay ill pay! when will it be here" okay okay just the first part of that you should read i just starting loving offer the car LOL XDDDDD!!!

So you can say

Car type:
Car Color:
Extras:
Place:

Or what? :D
No. But we will keep some space for cars to be added on request.
Posted on: June 06, 2007, 08:29:23 AM
The when is still a mystery. First of all, it depends on the public release of SA:MP 0.2
Right now we have been lucky to get a scripting server, so we can start developing before release. when the release will be public, it depends on how far we are with the scripts. IWth the things we are busy to make, expect at least one month, providing SA:MP is released by that time.
Beta testing might be earlier though. ;)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Niitro on June 06, 2007, 09:52:28 am: I already started spending it ...
mostly by Tuning cars ...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Prometheus[NL] on June 06, 2007, 10:10:31 am: Quote from: Niitro on June 06, 2007, 09:52:28 am
I already started spending it ...
mostly by Tuning cars ...
well thats why you call yourself niitro i guess, so ive got about a month to spend my 100k ok well i can live with a reset as it took me a week to raise that , so reset the money because that isnt verry realistic (I wish i made that much in real life ) but lets hope the new scripts wil be les sensitive to abuse so the money we earn in the future doesnt disappear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on June 06, 2007, 12:22:07 pm: Money is just too easy to earn as a cop. I could raise about 100k as a cop on a good day. This is why I dont mind money reset- I want a challenge!
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: RobbyMeister on June 06, 2007, 12:54:03 pm: I totally agree with you JC, i also want a challenge..
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: tiderman on June 06, 2007, 01:07:07 pm: Yeah, everybody just live life, have a private streetracing contest, tune cars, eat 500 hamburgers what ever.
Just be happy you got a good server to play on and they are just making it better.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Prometheus[NL] on June 06, 2007, 01:55:59 pm: Quote from: tiderman on June 06, 2007, 01:07:07 pm
Yeah, everybody just live life, have a private streetracing contest, tune cars, eat 500 hamburgers what ever.
Just be happy you got a good server to play on and they are just making it better.
cool i know a nice strech near jims sticky ring [the donut shop in ls ] where you could have a good dragrace you know pimp tune and blast ill try to set something up when im online oh and a streetrace ls to sf maybe too whos DOWN ...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: hell1989 on June 06, 2007, 04:09:10 pm: We start at $0?
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Justin on June 06, 2007, 04:12:13 pm: Quote from: hell1989 on June 06, 2007, 04:09:10 pm
We start at $0?

I'm guessing we will start like we did in this version with 10k... correct me if i'm wrong.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ;)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Pandalink on June 06, 2007, 07:22:55 pm: I'm happy as long as someone reserves me a Sabre :D

Will Passports/Licences be transferred?
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: [Rstar]Razor on June 06, 2007, 10:24:13 pm: My choice - Erase the old Money and propertys
New Scripts!New Scripts!
:)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: BlooDsTainD on June 07, 2007, 12:49:03 am: Quote from: Pandalink on June 06, 2007, 07:22:55 pm
Will Passports/Licences be transferred?
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Das-Korn on June 07, 2007, 02:29:38 am: Yes i want the new 0.2 Scripts.

But!

Its very hard for me and some one who have so much money like me (i have 1.75 Million Dollar on my Bank Account). And it was very hard to earn all this money. First i was a cop and earned my money like 80% of the Argonath Player's, i shooted on Suspects. Then i buyed a GasStation in Dillimore (Biz) and earned there a looot of money. And naw i have a Villa a Bussines a sport car and im in a very good Gang (CM). I have naw all what i want. and in 0.2 i will loose that all. Thats hard!
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: [Rstar]Razor on June 07, 2007, 03:24:26 am: But New Scripts or Old Money?
I want new scripts, i have 256k, not too much, but i dont care
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on June 07, 2007, 10:30:04 am: Quote from: 007 on June 07, 2007, 03:24:26 am
But New Scripts or Old Money?
I want new scripts, i have 256k, not too much, but i dont care
you have 156k ... :roll:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: DarkDragon on June 07, 2007, 05:40:53 pm: I don`t wonna lose my money! :mad: I orn my money wery hord!!!!You now haw hard to get a suspect!if he not surender!Yea i now meny pipel dont asking surender!its not good!but i have meny times same 1 killing my on the foot!i haveÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â a like 5hpÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â end i need to as surender???Im shuting on him to kip my self a life!In real life cops if samvan trayng to kill them not saing surender!If in ceis i seing surender!naw about a money i will live if money will reset!I work wey hard!i dont remember raight but i work wery meny time!lI playing like a cop becos i like miking a no crminal city!
I don`t ceir what will haping with mole missions!I selle my house end car becos you seid on 0.2 we lose it!end i dont staping to geting money!becos in 0.2 i wonna buy a big house ned cool car!I don`t wonna lose my money(I don`t cheat,abusing end other!)Im a good men!I now meny pipel money cheating end you wonna reset money to get rid of thet cheatet money!but if you reset money thet pipel ho miking money with hard work!you tink about them???About good pipel ho miking a money in hord wey!I lose meny time in real life for dis Rpg server end i don`t wonna starting of 0 agen!I don`t like abusers!Meny cops ar abusers but not all!I don`t like abusers end pipel ho kills a surender suspects!I heit them!End i heit a mole missions!Why you wonna reset all pipel money???Its rud!Meny pipel will go owey if you will do dis! Plis dont reset moneyÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â :( !

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Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on June 07, 2007, 05:51:27 pm: I sort of lost it 2 lines in! ^ on the previous post!
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: DarkDragon on June 07, 2007, 06:08:21 pm: I have 500k or more!i don`t remember!But ut for my wery hard to mike money!Im SAMP i playing only in Argonath !becos i loke RPG end ARgonath is best rpg server!But if i lose my money i will not play! :(
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Niitro on June 07, 2007, 06:09:29 pm: Quote from: DarkDragon on June 07, 2007, 05:40:53 pm
i don`t wonna starting of 0 agen!
We will start with 10 000 $ [10k] ...
THE END ... :D :lol: :)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: DarkDragon on June 07, 2007, 06:35:12 pm: We will start with 10 000 $ [10k] ...
THE END ... :D :lol: :)

I don`t wonna start with 10k i wonna start with my 500k!
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: chainzawz on June 07, 2007, 06:57:21 pm: day after day this post gets bigger. We have been told by the administration that the money, houses, cars, will all be reset. So please stop posting!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: wkter on June 07, 2007, 09:58:45 pm: Quote from: chainzawz on June 07, 2007, 06:57:21 pm
day after day this post gets bigger. We have been told by the administration that the money, houses, cars, will all be reset. So please stop posting!!!!!!!!!
Requesting this topick locked :lol:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Aragorn on June 07, 2007, 10:55:10 pm: Quote from: DarkDragon on June 07, 2007, 06:08:21 pm
But if i lose my money i will not play! :(

It is your own decision... At least you will be able to find other server with old scripts and play there...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: [Rstar]Razor on June 08, 2007, 12:10:18 pm: Quote from: el_boricua56 on June 05, 2007, 03:57:17 am
The people that abused scripts need to punished.

But is not a excuse to reset all people money!!!! Money made with sacrifice and with hard work!!!! Playing a lot... I mean a lot of hours just working to make money.(7- 12 hours a day) i did that...

Like i can see people that dont know how to admin their money dont care about money reseting. All the people that Dm or spend in cars, weapons, ect.

But you think is really fair to reset the money of the player that sacrifice to be there??? All that time spend in the server dont count? All that job that lot of hours that i spend in this server for nothing. I did that because i thinked in the results of this. And did that sacrifice of time and work to be more relax later.

If people learn how to admin their cash they will have results. But im not going to play 3 months again.... for that... That is crazy.... I did that work to have results and now i will loose all???? I did that to have a place for my mafia to start bussines. With this bussines we can RP better and workers and members earn money. But!!!!

Its very fun to new people and im getting mad.
They just say ahahah XD i dont have money i dont care. Reset the money.

Now i will say. Learn to administrate your money if you are new or you dont know how to save cash is not my problem i dont care. I take care of my problems. Because some people DM, spend in guns mod cars or dont have bank account. And they cant save.

Well i have money i worked for it and i will fight to keep it with me. Because was hard to get it.

And they were, admins banned them from the server, they did a great job.
Posted on: June 08, 2007, 11:01:15 AM
Quote
you have 156k ... :roll:

yeah, right..... :redface:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: DarkDragon on June 08, 2007, 12:54:04 pm: Aragorn

You don`t tink about pipel raight? Pipel work about all day!Miking money!But you will reser it!3You don`t tink about them!What will be on 0.3,0.4 end others?You will reset money on all versions?Its a stupit disaer!
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: rJCaiG on June 08, 2007, 12:58:20 pm: Quote from: DarkDragon on June 08, 2007, 12:54:04 pm
Aragorn

You don`t tink about pipel raight? Pipel work about all day!Miking money!But you will reser it!3You don`t tink about them!What will be when be next version end next end next?You will reset money on all versions?Its a stupit disaer!

Do you know english? I can't read most of the words you just posted.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Carhartt on June 08, 2007, 02:26:39 pm: Quote from: Giacjr on June 08, 2007, 12:58:20 pm
Do you know english? I can't read most of the words you just posted.

Yeah you're right :lol:
It is very hard to read it. :roll:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Watti on June 08, 2007, 02:35:22 pm: Guys lets put it this way

some guys got 1 mill ..

Some guys hacked there money Or glitced it with casinos

0.2 scripts will be more improved in this version...

I choose 0.2 Because i frankly dont care about money... if i feel like earning it ill earn it... ill even give people randomly 5000 or so... i only play for the fun.. and adventures..

but you guys must realize tht the Amount of money we now have.. will be reset.. and We will start as we started in 0.1 with 10k ... why complain.. when a new more Cooler and better version is comming... we have got... heaps of time till its unleashed.. stop winging and just play normally.. muck around...

Have fun

but... you guys this is examples of curruptness of money...

Money currupts the weak and strong minded.. it depends if the guy is smart enough to not care about game money...
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: RobbyMeister on June 08, 2007, 04:21:32 pm: Watti, you really touch the heart man :cry:

Seriously, i'm like you. Driving free taxi and limo and stuff. I gave $300 to a guy who was poor. Let's be bums and live the free life! :P I hate money, i fi don't need them, and that's not often :)
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jakez on June 08, 2007, 06:30:41 pm: Exactly...

I'm just like you Watti and Robbie.

I can earn money VERY easily [As i am a VERY good
cop, but thats not the point :P].

I don't care about money, i play for fun.
I even gave Giac_Jr 110K yesterday..
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Niitro on June 08, 2007, 06:35:06 pm: Quote from: RobbyMeister on June 08, 2007, 04:21:32 pm
I gave $300 to a guy who was poor.
I gave $10 000 [10k] to a guy who was poor. :redface:
Posted on: 08 June 2007, 18:34:16
Well - 5 guys who were poor ... :redface:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: DarkDragon on June 09, 2007, 11:18:40 am: Ok!If money will be reset!I have 1 ting to seay!Admins seif at lest 200k to a argonath hero,150k to a veteran end 100k to a regular!(If player have thet money)Its hard to start with 10k!Pipel will be only a cop!All server will be a cop :\ its not funny!If your reset all money pipel weill cheat,abusing,stealing end other!
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on June 09, 2007, 11:49:32 am: Quote from: DarkDragon on June 09, 2007, 11:18:40 am
Ok!If money will be reset!I have 1 ting to seay!Admins seif at lest 200k to a argonath hero,150k to a veteran end 100k to a regular!(If player have thet money)Its hard to start with 10k!Pipel will be only a cop!All server will be a cop :\ its not funny!If your reset all money pipel weill cheat,abusing,stealing end other!

Yeah, but that would still mean >1500 accounts will have to checked or whatever by admins, lots of time wasted on seeking through accounts that couold be used to develop 0.2!
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: DarkDragon on June 09, 2007, 01:02:15 pm: jcstodds

I now its hard work!But if money will be reset all pipel WILL Cheat end other!Reset money dont self server of cheaters !i tink rseting money will tink to mike money cheating!
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on June 09, 2007, 01:06:26 pm: Seriously, I have got over it, and im losing out on a lot more than you. It could potentially bring down my whole business, people will help others out, and it gives us all reason to RP more now!

Players have been tempted to money cheat, but you will be caught, and a regular caught money cheating = perm ban.
Quote from: DarkDragon on June 09, 2007, 01:02:15 pm
But if money will be reset all pipel WILL Cheat end other!Reset money dont self server of cheaters !i tink rseting money will tink to mike money cheating!
Yeah people can money cheat, they will be banned. Simple. They know the rules, it's not all about the money.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: DarkDragon on June 09, 2007, 05:53:03 pm: Then i have a nother ting!you don`t reset money for reguolars,herous,veterans!End we need to geve at lest 100k to newbies!(But not to 1 newbie)Its i tink there is a 1000 or more acounts!Evrybady will be fappy!
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: RobbyMeister on June 09, 2007, 07:31:42 pm: Aaaaw!

I think it's so cute with all those money-desperate noobs beg the developers not to reset money. They just don't know what RP is :) We should ban DarkDragon right now! :war:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: dan_lcfc on June 09, 2007, 07:33:09 pm: Ok i gave up... i read the topic (hey i lasted 4 pages of it :))

If the money is reset, it will be for ALL, no special privaleges will be given to forum members. Why should it?
If it means we get better scripts, which makes the game more fun, so be it. I am losing 120k cos of it. You think I am happy? NO, but who cares? TBH, it was starting to get boring because I had money and with no houses to buy, I had nothing to aim for.
So reset the money, bring on a better game and something to aim for!
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Jcstodds on June 09, 2007, 07:34:19 pm: Quote from: DarkDragon on June 09, 2007, 05:53:03 pm
Then i have a nother ting!you don`t reset money for reguolars,herous,veterans!End we need to geve at lest 100k to newbies!(But not to 1 newbie)Its i tink there is a 1000 or more acounts!Evrybady will be fappy!

100k to newbies? They would only buy all the cars, buy lots of weapons and get banned for constant DM. The making of money is about learning to RP to get the money, it wont work if that much is just handed out.

Lolz robby :lol:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: chainzawz on June 09, 2007, 09:54:22 pm: I say we lock all threads like this old and new, and we wait till 0.2 comes out and deal with what me get.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Pandalink on June 09, 2007, 09:55:37 pm: Crushing opinions will incite them more extremely.

:D
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Buffon on June 09, 2007, 10:16:08 pm: :rules: :help:
I want to we keep :money:
Earning :money: is very hard

PLEASE :D
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Andre9977 on June 10, 2007, 09:18:30 am: Okey, i am happy with reseting, but think of first months - there are so many :cop:'s. We could use that ARPD thingy. Non ARPD cant be a cop
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: [Rstar]Razor on June 10, 2007, 12:40:31 pm: Well i do not agree, ARPD is a organization that promotes a good working of cops, not giving them some kind of "license" so they can work as one cop.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Prometheus[NL] on June 11, 2007, 01:42:36 pm: you know I'm now totally agreeing with the reset , as for money earning Money is a part of almost every rpg i know and I don't consider someone who wants to earn money roleplaying (in game of course) a poor roleplayer I just think that there should be more jobs available in 0.2 that pay realistically lets say you could make about $50-300 for a day work. IM NOT saying paydays I'm saying when you do a certain amount of work you get a certain amount of money example: pizza delivery ;delivering 20 pizzas = 1 day workload pays: $50 (not including tips)the amount of money earned increases with more demanding higher jobs so for a cop this could be make 10 arrests (killed suspect only counts half to encourage aresting)or inspect vehicles or write tickets)=1 day pays 150. the numbers are not fixed just for example purposes the amounts could be adjusted if the idea is implemented.
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Watti on June 11, 2007, 02:07:53 pm: yeah well.. in MTAVC.. if they reset money... ( which i hope they dont) i lose... what would be.. 26 mill or so on SA... im guessing... might be 2.6 i dont know but its heaps
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: Prometheus[NL] on June 11, 2007, 02:13:07 pm: I have 100k so not that I'm losing a lot............ :weed:
Title: Re: WILL WE KEEP ONLY MONEY ???
Post by: [Rstar]Razor on June 12, 2007, 09:00:55 am: Quote from: Watti on June 11, 2007, 02:07:53 pm
yeah well.. in MTAVC.. if they reset money... ( which i hope they dont) i lose... what would be.. 26 mill or so on SA... im guessing... might be 2.6 i dont know but its heaps

I hope not too on MTAVC server i got 45k(House)+25k(Car), yeah, wining cash on MTAVC is very hard :(