Now, I cannot deny IC OOC because it's not im my right to forbid it, however. When you guys force or "This is essential for roleplaying" IC OOC at an new player, you are just doing it wRONg. Stop copy-cat other servers. IF you are helping an new player. Do not tell anything about OOC IC or such bullshit unless they ask specifically about it. And even if you should happen to teach it, do not say it's an requriement to Roleplay on Argonath, because that's just stupid and you are effectivly playing an owner when you are not one of the owners.
So if someone says IC/OOC is essential in better understanding he copies another server. The term is copied all around RP servers, so I ask you, who copies who then?Its inevitable form Argonath to root it out.As long as there are fresh minds coming who respect that way of playing.
Use it, I encourage you.Just don't use it against others or in your own defining way.
I am used to "mang, /me and public chat" kind of role play, and its all I need, as also the srs RP with extra commands and IC/OOC.You just need to browse around internet, learn a few terms of RP and find what suits you the best.
Who is copying who, that is an good argument and question. Wich I cannot answer since there's plenty on Roleplay servers in sa:mp.
I would still not encourage the use of IC OOC, sorry, but no.
I got /me, public chat (And Localchat, wich I approve of but only because mainchat would be flooded) /jail /su and TAB to check who's wanted. Nothing more I need.
IC OOC can be desribed as being copied from other server(S), but we also have the problem then of what server introduced the terms.
Anyways, I'd still not say to an new player "Hey, IC OOC is an requirement to roleplay". I won't tell name and shame, but I have had players trying to force me to IC and OOC, funny enough, they seem to not be able to seperate what's RP and normal chatting/discussing.
In my eyes, IC and OOC is just giving the RP and normal chatting/Discussing an dinstict tag around it, not to mention that some people think it's fine to swear as much as they want in "IC", that I do not agree on.
To ends meet, I like your argumenting style and kindness in the discussing, truly remarkable. :)
Really? I tested other roleplay servers also... Minimum, what I experienced - no any help or even a possibility to get a help...Some servers does helps but its not alot tho, there is some servers that are so selfish that they just nearly bans you if you didnt even checked their forums before connecting to their game because you must know everything and such..
And as far as I could see - they even ban for saying "Hello" in main chat... :hah:
Others just disallow the main chat and you experience the boredom driving around, seeing nobody and being confused with the amount of players the server shows, when around you - no any soul and only 20 players silently sit at Pershing Square...
You can clearly see IC and OOC, without the brackets, but, if I use slang, and we are in the center of an important RP, I , as my mates too will use OOC/IC just to clarify/differ
internet slang and gang slang we use
I am used to "mang, /me and public chat" kind of role play, and its all I need, as also the srs RP with extra commands and IC/OOC.
Really? I tested other roleplay servers also... Minimum, what I experienced - no any help or even a possibility to get a help...
And as far as I could see - they even ban for saying "Hello" in main chat... :hah:
Others just disallow the main chat and you experience the boredom driving around, seeing nobody and being confused with the amount of players the server shows, when around you - no any soul and only 20 players silently sit at Pershing Square...
No way you can just swear on Argonath and then demand "Hey! That was IC!"... If the player was offended by your swearing - drop it, apologize and continue play... Otherwise its from the same as "I did not swear I just told the truth" stories...
Then strange that you are here on Argonath... I do not remember any of the owners announcing Argonath as a SRS RP server... Opposite, we never supported such style and did not find an exact fun in it...
Even more... Old gamers and admins (as scripters team as well) remember my policy - less rules as possible, less scripts as possible... There are main rules, that was enough for Argonath to chill around and having fun...
More rules turned Argonath into endless courtcase, who is right and who is wrong...
In one part there is owners'mistake... But it also shows: too much script commands - too much rules appear - too much moaning - too much fights - too much shit - lack of fun...
It looks like parasites then... From one RPG servers coming to other RPG servers and implementing the same what was on previous... Why in the name of Hell? Just go and OOC/IC as much as you want...
I do not know how to explain people that for roleplay there is no need in a dumb OOC/IC rules... And yeah, I do consider it as a some sort of shit which has nothing to GTA...
And I also consider this OOC/IC thingy just losing many new players...
There is a car, there is a gun, there is a skin, there are houses, jobs, business, admins... All what you need...
All add-ons like non-freecops, non-main chat and OOC/IC just to put on your necks a lable "ZOMG-RPer"...
Its easy to "identify"... Used OOC/IC? Wow, roleplayer... Did not use? A piece of shit...
And if no difference? Then why the f**k you need this identification?
I also do not see a problem the player mixed your " RL going to pee" with the roleplay... The fun is coming where from? From comparison of real life and game...
And one more... You cannot put EVERYTHING under the rule of OOC/IC... Then whats the point of such rule?
As for my point of view - the rule of OOC/IC came from admins of some server... To have more reasons to ban people for... Because there can be different variations of both sides... Nice rule to use against those whom admins do not like...
And all others like monkeys carried the idea, and even came to our Far away Planet...
But we can also answer the same way - we will just disallow this usage not to confuse players... And then lets see who can roleplay and who cannot...
4) OOC/IC in fact brings player because many of them have the perception of ZOMGRP as in constant usage of OOC/IC, so they think this is l33t server, while in fact its not OBLIGATORY to use OOC/ICSee? You're doing it again. You're expecting new players to be already role-players with experience.
imagination.> talking about players that can't/don't want to play by rules other than they have learned already
6) Who said everything goes under OOC/IC for god sakes, I said, if a player uses brackets, why don't you simply coop or don't use brackets, rather then pointing finger "ZOMGRPer". It would turn into a witch hunt eventually, and players are forced to lave or simply leave in an act of moaning "This server sucks" ....Because just dropping whole IC/OOC is not possible to do.
1) Propositions have nothing to do with MOANING regarding RPmeh IC/OOC sucks
2) The problem continues when the FORCING OOC/IC begins.Something a ROLE PLAYER would not do, then a misguided wannabe pretender RPer
3) ROLE-PLAY does not have L33TSRS and BADZOMG. YOU rp how YOU want, de gustibus non est disputandum !
4) OOC/IC in fact brings player because many of them have the perception of ZOMGRP as in constant usage of OOC/IC, so they think this is l33t server, while in fact its not OBLIGATORY to use OOC/IC
5) You can use /piss for example so if you say, "I need to piss" another player will say: "Wtf interrupting RP" ...
6) Who said everything goes under OOC/IC for god sakes, I said, if a player uses brackets, why don't you simply coop or don't use brackets, rather then pointing finger "ZOMGRPer". It would turn into a witch hunt eventually, and players are forced to lave or simply leave in an act of moaning "This server sucks" ....
7) With that attitude you can just scare them away. Calling them parasites and classifying them with names while this is INTERNET.A place with lots of imagination. They just cannot drop they're way of RP. If only people were TOLERANT, and that's the gap to success
Apologies for the red font. I need to point out my opinion so it doesn't get interpreted in other ways, preventing wars or something.
2) The problem continues when the FORCING OOC/IC begins.Something a ROLE PLAYER would not do, then a misguided wannabe pretender RPer
3) ROLE-PLAY does not have L33TSRS and BADZOMG. YOU rp how YOU want, de gustibus non est disputandum !
@Grzesiek: You cannot expect everyone to be inexperienced. We get all sorts of players.
Imagination =/= rules. No boundaries. Don't include me in that circle.
In the United States of America, Freedom of Roleplay allows me to use IC/OOC or not use IC/OOC.
You mad again Luweegee
And I will go /L brackets >:@ $)*&^%$_@*(&$@+_$ (and that's a 90% exact quote of what I usually say) when someone uses them around me.
Freedom to a certain extent. Argonath is not totally free...there are rules, regulations and guidelines that must be followed.I didn't say "ARGONATH IS FREE", I said "Argonath is free roleplay." I can roleplay a f**king PENIS if I wanted to. The only restrictions on roleplay are the rules, which they must abide by, just as the United States has laws whether you're religious or not. I can't stab someone in the neck with the excuse "He was possessed." I also can't do f**k THIS SERVER f**k THE ADMINS f**k ALL OF YOU and use the excuse "I was roleplaying."
These guidelines make up the Argonath Vision. With the Vision being the ultimate goal of the community. Through the eyes of the people who created and the supporters of the Vision, OOC and IC are hinderances to the goal of this community becoming the complete ideal that it has always been working towards.Help me here, Dave. I've got a bad case of astigmatism and have poor eyesight, and I sit beyond arm's reach of my monitor, so if you would be so kind to point out the part that is related in any way to IC/OOC?
Argonath RPG was founded in 2006 with a clear target.*GASP* I DIDN'T KNOW ARGONATH WAS FOUNDED TO BE AN ANTI IC/OOC SERVER!!!!1111111
The founders were upset with the community they left because of how people treated each other, and how there was a lack of recognition from the administration for the efforts of new players and those who were not in the favour of leaders.
There for it was decided to create a new community that would be open to all people, and where new players were treated same as regulars and veterans. With a new community this was not a problem, as everyone was new and the only veterans were the main leaders.
With the growth of the community over the years, there have been a number of players who do not know about the origins of our community, and the goals that were set when creating it. As a result, there has been a clash between people who feel that they are entitled because of being regulars and the goals and ideas of the owners and developers.
To clarify this, we present our vision.
1. Argonath was, is, and will always be a community that should be friendly to new people. We will continue to be a breeding ground for new people to discover the fun of playing by imagination. This is what has brought us official status and creates a regular flow of new players in to our server, keeping the community alive and feeding it.
2. Argonath gives equal rights to new, experienced and admin players. We do not discriminate between players, and having admin rights or being a long time player does not give any of our players rights to act as better, higher or having more status as another.
3. Argonath does not offer privileges against payment. The equal status prohibits any possibility of payment for extra possibilities, rights or money in game.
4. Argonath strives to keep rules simple and understandable. Our community was created as free RP, based on imagination and creativity. We will not ever support it changing in to a jungle of rules that are impossible to understand, follow and adhere to. Our rules will remain the minimal needed to stop players who wish to disturb the fun in playing from doing so, not more and not less.
5. Argonath leaders will accept new rules and scripts only if they fit the vision. If any suggestion is limiting the possibility to play for new players, strives to give advantage to more experienced players, or creates a more complex rule that would make it hard to understand or follow, it will be rejected, regardless of how much support there is from the community
6. Argonath players are, regardless of point 5, free to implement within their group or play guidelines and habits of playing. However they are not allowed to force people outside their group to use the same rules, resort to flaming, insulting, or trying to excluse players who do not play by non-official group rules.
7. Argonath administration team will devote their time primarily to keep players following the guidelines. They apply for this knowingly, and will be given rights and levels according to their devotion, ability to help out others and follow the guidelines given to them. Admin rights shall never be given as reward or to show status. Promotions in the admin team will be based on the perception of the developers and main admins, and shall not be given based on seniority. If at any time admins feel not able to continue their devotion to admin guidelines, they are invited to resign. Resigning from admin rights or losing them should not reflect on the players status or recognition as valuable member of the community.
8. Argonath recognizes that a part of the community is underage. There for the following shall be prohibited:
a. Swearing, flaming and insulting. Within roleplay this is allowed very limited and strictly bound to the situation. If there is any doubt about the slang/language used is for ropleplay only, administration has full right to take any measures they find necessary.
b. Promotion of usage of alcohol, drugs and other stimulating substances. We respect the freedom of choice, however people should be respecting that others who have different beliefs and choices have this right as well
c. Explicit sexual content. While within roleplay and discussion a certain freedom is granted, the underage community should be protected from eplicit sexual actions or content.
d. Cyberharrasment, stalking and bullying of players based on their belief, views, race or choices in life.
9. Argonath bases its community on respect and friendship between players of all nations. This means that those who feel that they are allowed to disrespect others, consider others as inferior or treat them as such will be offered the choice to either change their views or leave the community. This includes any groups of players in game.
10. Argonath will remain as open, friendly and strong community for people worldwide who wish to enjoy playing a game based on imagination and creativity.
I hope everyone will take the time to read this, and take this as their core values.
6. Argonath players are, regardless of point 5, free to implement within their group or play guidelines and habits of playing. However they are not allowed to force people outside their group to use the same rules, resort to flaming, insulting, or trying to excluse players who do not play by non-official group rules.Many of you OMEGA ANTI IC/OOC and OMEGA IC/OOC users have BOTH gone against point 6. You all know who you are, and you should be HIGHLY disappointed in yourselves.
And I will go /L brackets >:@ $)*&^%$_@*(&$@+_$ (and that's a 90% exact quote of what I usually say) when someone uses them around me.That type of response is acceptable :P
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again Luweegee
Many of you OMEGA ANTI IC/OOC and OMEGA IC/OOC users have BOTH gone against point 6. You all know who you are, and you should be HIGHLY disappointed in yourselves.
6. Argonath players are, regardless of point 5, free to implement within their group or play guidelines and habits of playing. However they are not allowed to force people outside their group to use the same rules, resort to flaming, insulting, or trying to excluse players who do not play by non-official group rules.ITT (at least it started with) interactions between regulars and NEW players. How can a NEW player be in a group already? :roll:
ITT (at least it started with) interactions between regulars and NEW players. How can a NEW player be in a group already? :roll:Ironically enough, you're in a group as soon as the thought of you being born came into existence. Think about it ;)
6. Argonath players are, regardless of point 5, free to implement within their group or play guidelines and habits of playing. However they are not allowed to force people outside their group to use the same rules, resort to flaming, insulting, or trying to excluse players who do not play by non-official group rules.Notice that I underlined the whole thing. I did this because many OMEGA ANTI-IC/OOC and OMEGA IC/OOC people are often calling each other names and shit just because the other side doesn't/does use IC/OOC, which is going against the end of point 6. And notice that after the "free to implement within their group" part, there's the "or play guidelines and habits of playing." If I wanted to, I could make a guideline for myself to never say the word "Penisbonercockassvagina", as long as I don't go "f**kING bad guyS USE PENISBONERCOCKASSVAGINA THEY ARE bad guyS"
Ironically enough, you're in a group as soon as the thought of you being born came into existence. Think about it ;)Disagreed.
In your example, the new players are in the unofficial group called "New players." You're in the group called "Veterans."
Disagreed.Emos, Jocks, and Geeks aren't organized groups, but we still call them a group.
"New players" is not an organized group. They don't have standards or rules (except the main server rules, and the handicap of being new, thus chance of forgiving first rule-breaks with little punishment). It's an experience level, not a group which you can join or leave.
Same as blaming "Freecops" for being an organized group which objective is to purposely abuse and annoy other players...
Emos, Jocks, and Geeks aren't organized groups, but we still call them a group.Yes. But different types of groups have their specific names, like subcultures or nationalities.
The new players are a group of people, not a group like Argonath Veterans (=AV=). Veterans are just a group of people, not a group like White Shadows ([WS]). Regulars are just a group of people, not a group like the Rockstars Clan ([Rstar])
But people keep treating a group of one kind (with just something in common, eg. experience level) as a group of the other kind (organized group).This.
These guidelines make up the Argonath Vision. With the Vision being the ultimate goal of the community. Through the eyes of the people who created and the supporters of the Vision, OOC and IC are hinderances to the goal of this community becoming the complete ideal that it has always been working towards.
This so called officer Tickle said they had no money and wanted a car, just as I parked outside LSPD.Makes me sick.
TLDR: So I took them to a dealer, bought them a nice new 80k cheetah, me thinking this is some new person was fooled by them.
Continued:
I bought them there car, so I asked "do you have a house?" they said "No".
I went searching for a house.
Now this officer tickle was off duty.
We ended up in willowfield, officer Ruddy Russel pm'd me in pm and I told him if he could donate 50k for this person to get here first house, he did!. But this person "Tickle" was like "GTF_" "Ruddy Please leave", I thought this was highly rude, just because they where a cop this person was being rude and unwelcoming - they had no clue they sent money to me for them.
So, I told them he isn't going to leave he just donated $50k to buy a new home.
This person ended up becoming greedy and saying "Buy me this house, I know a $100k house" then when I said "No, I can't afford it", they where like "OMFG, You have mills, you was giving $50k to everyone".
Then I said, something like "FFS, fine, did /kill and left them in there new vehicle."
They ended up pming me "YOU RUINED MY LIFE, I need that 49k" Then they said later on "I GTG, btw I lied, I had $300k".
It shows people who are generally unwelcoming to new (free)cops are usually greedy and selfish :neutral:
If only I had realised the same person as in Aragons story :/ I'd still have that 80k to spend on a real new player :hit:.
I learned something today - let people work there asses off instead of giving them handouts - credits to JCstods.
I use IC/OOC with brackets when im in a decent roleplay where i don't wanna mix everything up. I also don't constantly use IC/OOC methods. I talk normally and make it clear whether im talking as a black gangster im roleplaying or myself.Everything this guy just said, he stole from my brain.
They are defiantly not hindering anything. IC/OOC is an optional form of distinguishing roleplay and the real world. The things that are hindering anything are people like you who will constantly disregard people who use it and disrespect them. Just because you don't use it in a SRS OMG rp and i do sometimes, doesn't mean im going to force it on you. Although the way you speak you seem to want to force your 'method' onto us. Somewhat hypocritical if i may say.
They are defiantly not hindering anything.
I use IC/OOC with brackets when im in a decent roleplayYou already show that you hold in higher esteem those who use it.
Somewhat hypocritical if i may say.
I use IC/OOC with brackets when im in a decent roleplay where i don't wanna mix everything up. I also don't constantly use IC/OOC methods. I talk normally and make it clear whether im talking as a black gangster im roleplaying or myself.How do you mix things up when in a decent roleplay ?
They are defiantly not hindering anything. IC/OOC is an optional form of distinguishing roleplay and the real world. The things that are hindering anything are people like you who will constantly disregard people who use it and disrespect them. Just because you don't use it in a SRS OMG rp and i do sometimes, doesn't mean im going to force it on you. Although the way you speak you seem to want to force your 'method' onto us. Somewhat hypocritical if i may say.
How do you mix things up when in a decent roleplay ?
How do you mix things up when in a decent roleplay ?
I don't give a flying firetruck if you use IC/OOC or not. I don't give a flying firetruck if Argonath has rules in favor of IC/OOC (which it doesn't). I don't give a flying firetruck if you just throw in a bunch of random shit into roleplay like PENIS.
I give a flying firetruck when IC/OOC users cry at the guys who don't use IC/OOC about them being NON RP, bad guyS, etc...
I give a flying firetruck when non-IC/OOC users throw fingers and bricks and go "f**kING IC/OOC USER HAS NO BRAIN CANT RP f**kING LOW RP FAG SKILL."
Seriously, guys. I thought Argonath was a free roleplay server, where you could roleplay how YOU PLEASE, not how some other jack-ass judges you for.
Forgot to mention (and I don't feel like looking for where to put this): I like to dick around sometimes too, so I'm not 100% "ZOMG RP."
Let me clarify a few things.And last but not least
- Using IC/OOC doesn't make a player stupid. Those who say it does make you stupid actually cause themselves to be stupid, because they broke the golden rule - NO FLAMING
- Using and not using IC/OOC doesn't make a player a bad roleplayer. It's just a little thing some players opt in for, opt out of...it's their choice.
- IC/OOC Extremists are retards if they call non-IC/OOC users bad roleplayers, tards, etc...
- Non-IC/OOC extremists are retards if they call IC/OOC users bad roleplayers, people who can't use their brain, tards, etc...
Stop giving a f**k about how another player f**king roleplays. Don't like IC/OOC? f**king deal with it, because it's never going to stop as long as Argonath has it's amazing free roleplay style which I've come to adore.
Don't like when players who don't use IC/OOC? f**king deal with it, because refer to above.
If a player wants to use IC/OOC, f**king let them. Don't call them stupid, incapable of roleplaying, or whatever, because 1. You're stupid for calling them stupid. 2. They're as capable as roleplaying as you.
If a player doesn't want to use IC/OOC, f**king let them. Refer to above.
Stupid example.
Why would you go especially to someone's in-game house when he got cops inside to talk about school IRL or that you need him on MSN? If you really needed him on MSN, you would've PM'ed him. If his PM is off, you can ask in /P.
And how could you mix that up with the RP scenario going on anyway, if it's so obviously not related...
Gandalf, it is kinda like writing a Essay. Your going to write about Blue and Green, so you say in your thesis that's what you are going to write about. Then in Body paragraph 1 you talk about Either Blue or Green. If i talk about Green i must stay green if i do not, and go off on a tangent on something else my grade drops. BUT if i stay Green then my grade will not drop. This is how were are taught to write in College, and it work's great so why not implement the idea on something else :) . As i said before i don't always use brackets because it does get annoying to always use them especially when im hanging out with friends. That's why i like Argonath so much is because the freedom of roleplay we have...i don't HAVE to use brackets, nobody is forcing them on me. I also don't HAVE to not use them..although i do feel that not using them is being pressured upon me and the people doing so are also being disrespectful about it...Which the disrespect also hinders the Argonath Image. Go read it again to see what i mean if necessary.If you are going to talk about Blue AND Green, and then stay on only Blue OR Green, your mark will be pretty low if I would have to give it. Perhaps where you live it is accepted to do it your way.
If you are going to talk about Blue AND Green, and then stay on only Blue OR Green, your mark will be pretty low if I would have to give it. Perhaps where you live it is accepted to do it your way.What that means is you want to stay on point. When your writing an essay your proving something and when you write your Intro paragraph you want to Start broad then go into your Thesis aka your theme. Say my theme is about how Blue is better than green but they are still each a color. Then Body paragraph 1(if its a small 4 paragraph essay) will be about Blue. The 2nd body paragraph will be on green, yes you would add in why Green is worse or in paragraph 1 why blue is better. The point is stay on topic. I won't be talking about how blue is a really good color but yet Red is pretty decent as well and orange is cool too. That totally obliterates the essay and i can guarantee that if you were to hand it in to a teacher or Professor or whatever you would get a terrible grade. Now if you stay on point then you will get a decent grade. We are taught here in America that when we write we need to have a point and stick to it. Not to go off on some other topic, if you stay Blue and Green then it will be organized and be better overall. Now i don't know if where you live you can write up a load of information that is not relevant to each other and do good. But we are taught to make it look decent and such.
Oh then you should make a example on how to 'properly roleplay' in your little world.
How do you mix things up when in a decent roleplay ?
Alright here's a good one. I am going over to my friend's house in game, i go inside and notice he is with a few cop's because they have a warrant and they are roleplaying checking his house and cuffing him etc. So im inside and i say '/l sup guy's..Patton i need to talk to you on msn.' then i continue with saying '/l Man school today was terrible, yah know.' '/l i got loads of homework to do tonight.' then he responds '/l yea i got some college homework to do, it has been a rough few weeks'.....My point is that it's getting mixed up because us talking about school IRL and going on MSN(although i could implement MSN into the rp) have nothing to do with the roleplay at all. How does my homework go with police searching my brother's house? It doesn't. [...]
I was giving a quick example like 15 minutes before school so take that into consideration.Why didn't you just drop it or save the Firefox session or something and give a good example when you got the time to write it?
What that means is you want to stay on point. When your writing an essay your proving something and when you write your Intro paragraph you want to Start broad then go into your Thesis aka your theme. Say my theme is about how Blue is better than green but they are still each a color. Then Body paragraph 1(if its a small 4 paragraph essay) will be about Blue. The 2nd body paragraph will be on green, yes you would add in why Green is worse or in paragraph 1 why blue is better. The point is stay on topic. I won't be talking about how blue is a really good color but yet Red is pretty decent as well and orange is cool too. That totally obliterates the essay and i can guarantee that if you were to hand it in to a teacher or Professor or whatever you would get a terrible grade. Now if you stay on point then you will get a decent grade. We are taught here in America that when we write we need to have a point and stick to it. Not to go off on some other topic, if you stay Blue and Green then it will be organized and be better overall. Now i don't know if where you live you can write up a load of information that is not relevant to each other and do good. But we are taught to make it look decent and such.On which point exactly were you trying to stay here ?
Either or, this topic is not about writing skills, Roleplay types and things like that. What it is on is how Aragorn was treated as a UC new player. The way he was treated was terrible and people need to quit the nonsense and re-read the first post to understand what it was about. Im done and i hope people take Aragorns first post into consideration.
On which point exactly were you trying to stay here ?Since you cannot pull out information from text i will give you a tip. Click the 6 to travel to page 6 to find your answer. Very simple.
After the question >>
You described a situation where you went to someone's house while a scenario was already rolling and started a conversation in /L, which is clearly non-relevant and hard to mix up with what was going on "IC". >>
I said that it's a "stupid example" because: first you say that it's easy to mix up things in a decent role-play, and then give an example [assuming: of decent role-play, hence the "here's a good one"] showing that it's the opposite of what you stated.
Why didn't you just drop it or save the Firefox session or something and give a good example when you got the time to write it?
And why should I consider your school time anyway... I'm not your parent or relative, nor a real-life friend, how should I even know it. Yet another example of requiring knowledge about everything from others. (first example being demanding knowledge of all rules and personal standards from new players).
MetalLuigiXIf you mean that I don't have an option between using IC/OOC or not (I can only use one or the other), then I could cope, but it'd get boring as the server only opens to one group of people (e.g., non-IC/OOC users only), as opposed to Argonath (<3) being open to BOTH groups of people.
What will happen, if you go on other RP server and start chillin around as on Argonath? With no OOC/IC shit?
What that means is you want to stay on point. When your writing an essay your proving something and when you write your Intro paragraph you want to Start broad then go into your Thesis aka your theme. Say my theme is about how Blue is better than green but they are still each a color. Then Body paragraph 1(if its a small 4 paragraph essay) will be about Blue. The 2nd body paragraph will be on green, yes you would add in why Green is worse or in paragraph 1 why blue is better. The point is stay on topic. I won't be talking about how blue is a really good color but yet Red is pretty decent as well and orange is cool too. That totally obliterates the essay and i can guarantee that if you were to hand it in to a teacher or Professor or whatever you would get a terrible grade. Now if you stay on point then you will get a decent grade. We are taught here in America that when we write we need to have a point and stick to it. Not to go off on some other topic, if you stay Blue and Green then it will be organized and be better overall. Now i don't know if where you live you can write up a load of information that is not relevant to each other and do good. But we are taught to make it look decent and such.Rule 25.
Either or, this topic is not about writing skills, Roleplay types and things like that. What it is on is how Aragorn was treated as a UC new player. The way he was treated was terrible and people need to quit the nonsense and re-read the first post to understand what it was about. Im done and i hope people take Aragorns first post into consideration.
If you mean that I don't have an option between using IC/OOC or not (I can only use one or the other), then I could cope, but it'd get boring as the server only opens to one group of people (e.g., non-IC/OOC users only), as opposed to Argonath (<3) being open to BOTH groups of people.You can use it in a closed group (let's say, when playing in Gvardia HQ with your gang mates). In this situation no one limits you. Groups can make up as many internal rules as they like.
I didn't do it on my school time i typed it in 15 minutes before school even started.You're still requiring me to know when do you go to school. Like I need to know, or even care.
If you feel that it's not good, i know its not perfect but its a bland example, then you should come up with a way to perfectly roleplay in your world. If you fail to do so i will disregard the rest because like i said, you aren't taking off your blinders.Example for what?
You can use it in a closed group (let's say, when playing in Gvardia HQ with your gang mates). In this situation no one limits you. Groups can make up as many internal rules as they like.I respectfully think you misinterpreted what I said on your quote.
You can use it in a closed group (let's say, when playing in Gvardia HQ with your gang mates). In this situation no one limits you. Groups can make up as many internal rules as they like.
You're still requiring me to know when do you go to school. Like I need to know, or even care.
Example for what?
I'm not the one stating that things in a decent role-play can get mixed up. Why should I prove your point?
My overall point from where i have started reading this topic to now is....*drum roll*....Basically a TL;DR version of everything I just wrote regarding this subject, for you lazy people out there.
That people need to learn to quit criticizing other people's form of roleplay, in doing so you are disrespecting them due to the criticism. Therefore the ones who are criticizing and preaching about the 'Argonath Image' are also tainting the image. How may you ask? Quite Simple If you read through it you notice that the Leaders were getting tired of the lack of respect among community members in their old community(Look at how people treat each other now :neutral: ), so they decided to make their own. They did a splendid job if i may say. Now as far as you tainting it...thats right your disrespect about other people's roleplay is in fact tainting it. If you disagree with this, please....Feel free to read from page 1 to page 7 and im sure you will see what im saying. Also i recommend you do re-read the Argonath image so you know what your looking for, it will aid in you picking out information that is necessary and relevant to my point.
Thank you.
Since you cannot pull out information from text i will give you a tip. Click the 6 to travel to page 6 to find your answer. Very simple.So you mean to say that you made a point on page 6 and then start to digress randomly with rants about colours and other things, yet wish to tell other people that they should stay to the point ? Interesting way of getting it across, and it seems rather contrary to what they teah you to do.
Oh lord, the OOC/IC war is still going on? :rofl:People will abuse any topic to try and make war... I just wonder why it is IC/OOC and not Cops vs Criminals this time...
I just wonder why it is IC/OOC and not Cops vs Criminals this time...Oh that one is in the Suspects topic in SAMP Ideas :lol:
Are we claiming that it is the best way to RP? No.Then why use it, if it's not the best?
Do we force it on other people? No.If you use it AT ALL, new players will follow your path and also learn to use it, not even thinking what's the sense in it. That's how people learn to play games, they watch others and do same, even if it's plain stupid and illogical. I play games, I know that from experience.
Do we rate people if they or if they don't use this technique? No.That's what you think.
1)Then why use it, if it's not the best?
2)If you use it AT ALL, new players will follow your path and also learn to use it, not even thinking what's the sense in it. That's how people learn to play games, they watch others and do same, even if it's plain stupid and illogical. I play games, I know that from experience.
That's what you think.
3)Ever saw the "Rate the RP of person above" topic? People that use IC/OOC give lower grades to people not using it, than to people they haven't even played with.
Before I came to SA:MP, I was playing World of Warcraft on Defias Brotherhood, a roleplay server.Actually games like WOW etc is where the IC/OOC and RLRP has come from.......
On DB we used OOC/IC, powergaming, metagaming etc.. Now, I dont support having those kind of things in Argonath, but. Playing WoW I experienced the best roleplayes I have ever been a part of, it was fun and creative. I met some people I hold great respect for in there, all of them using "RLRP".
Dont go around saying people who use "RLRP" are stupid, unimaginative and dull. Because they're not, they're the funniest, most creative and best roleplayers I have ever had the pleasure to play with. Going around saying "RLRPers are shit" seriously insults me, it's where I have my roots of roleplaying. They're not shit, stupid or anything like that, they're roleplayers doing what they think is fun.
What saddens me most is that WE'RE TALKING here and not DOING anything about it :(
The thing that needs to be done is for people to accept the different forms of roleplay and deal with it. Nothing bad is happening due to it, except people who don't distinguish ic/ooc are forcing people who sometimes do with their philosophy. Which is utter BS and is disrespectful. They preach that people who use ic/ooc methods are ruining the Argonath image. In fact the ones forcing not to use ic/ooc methods are the ones ruining the image and will not take off their blinder's and see this. They have thick skin and it isn't sinking in that they are the ones tarnishing it. As i said i use it sometimes, other times i don't, i don't force using or not using it on anybody. That's why people, like Argonath because we can roleplay as we please as long as we follow the Community Rules. Open your eye's remove the blinder's and understand the other party's meaning. That is what needs to be done...and to respect other people and what they are saying.
The thing that needs to be done is for people to accept the different forms of roleplay and deal with it.
What will happen to you on those RP servers where is this OOC/IC shit and start talking like on Argonath?Actually, I didn't answer due to unrelated reasons that you may find slightly offensive, and I'd rather not set you off.
You do not answer because its clear: you will be banned...
And if two piece of OOC/IC will not f**king stop to bring into Argonath this stupid rule from other servers I will just f**king disallow it by power...We're not (for the most part, anyway; the retards are the ones trying to do this and don't even deserve to be a roleplayer) trying to bring Argonath as a whole into the IC/OOC rule that we implement on OURSELVES AND OUR GROUPS with the sole purpose of being comfortable playing according to their needs, habits, or whatever on Argonath.
Its not a form... It is the rule from other servers... We have our own rules - Obey them...
And do not confuse players with OOC/IC rule... It is not Argonath then...
@ LuweegeeWho the fuck do you think you are to judge if I care or not?
> arguing about it
> not caring about it
:neutral:
@ Luweegee
> arguing about it
> not caring about it
:neutral:
@ Xander
blinders blinders hypocrites disrespecting blinders.
Telling the owners what is Argonath and what it's supposed to be... lol
9. Argonath bases its community on respect and friendship between players of all nations. This means that those who feel that they are allowed to disrespect others, consider others as inferior or treat them as such will be offered the choice to either change their views or leave the community. This includes any groups of players in game.
10. Argonath will remain as open, friendly and strong community for people worldwide who wish to enjoy playing a game based on imagination and creativity.
Its not a form... It is the rule from other servers... We have our own rules - Obey them...
And do not confuse players with OOC/IC rule... It is not Argonath then...
Who the f**k do you think you are to judge if I care or not?You mad again.
If you hate SA:MP and its community so much with it's so-called "srsbsns" behavior, then take your over-opinionated ass back to MTA:VC and cry there. We don't want to hear it.
Players like me and Void will honestly not give a flying f**k what you do, because we're open minded and simple people.
4. Argonath strives to keep rules simple and understandable. Our community was created as free RP, based on imagination and creativity. We will not ever support it changing in to a jungle of rules that are impossible to understand, follow and adhere to. Our rules will remain the minimal needed to stop players who wish to disturb the fun in playing from doing so, not more and not less.
8. Argonath recognizes that a part of the community is underage. There for the following shall be prohibited:
a. Swearing, flaming and insulting. Within roleplay this is allowed very limited and strictly bound to the situation. If there is any doubt about the slang/language used is for ropleplay only, administration has full right to take any measures they find necessary.
Within roleplay this is allowed very limited and strictly bound to the situation. If there is any doubt about the slang/language used is for ropleplay only, administration has full right to take any measures they find necessary.
If a player says, "Why do you swear" or "Hey don't flame/insult me" or anything similar, what do you do Grzesiek?It's not me who's swearing and "ic" flaming.
You start defending yourself that it was IC or you stop it and apologize?
If I say "Puta madre" and he says " Go f**k yourself pendejo" Is that an agreement to continue a certain situation?Does the other party consider the situation interesting?That's flaming, from both sides. No matter if English name-calling or not, it's still flaming. Rules don't show any exceptions about flaming "IC/OOC" being allowed. If the only slang words you know are flames, better not use such slang at all.
I don't care if you RP Super Mario or lady Gaga, I am just interested in people giving effort to create an interesting situation.What's interesting in flaming each other?
1)It's not me who's swearing and "ic" flaming.
2)That's flaming, from both sides. No matter if English name-calling or not, it's still flaming. Rules don't show any exceptions about flaming "IC/OOC" being allowed. If the only slang words you know are flames, better not use such slang at all.
3)What's interesting in flaming each other?
Within roleplay this is allowed very limited and strictly bound to the situation. If there is any doubt about the slang/language used is for ropleplay only, administration has full right to take any measures they find necessary.After that here goes a sentence you obviously missed:
There is a line, and the other RP party will show it certainly(as long as it is not racial, nationality, etc discriminating)other player will know when to stop RP, when he feels uncomfortable etc.Here we have different reactions of the RP starter, adn I've made a profile of IC/OOC users that fit these reactions, here:
3) Flaming was an example of numerous of punch lines, jokes that can start and develop a stable and fun RP situation.
You generalize all IC/OOC-ers: The douches: Force this shit yo, they be like non RP and shit, yo.We be tite and rockin this kno wha' am sayin'
The free minded: Those who don't give a damn what you use, just valuate yours, and respect others.
Actually, I didn't answer due to unrelated reasons that you may find slightly offensive, and I'd rather not set you off.We allow freedom, but we are not in favour of teaching new player to follow rules from other servers.
And in all honesty...I didn't know one of the main purposes of Argonath was to be an anti IC/OOC legion who want to call themselves creative because they used a method older than IC/OOC itself (which is NOT using IC/OOC).
We're not (for the most part, anyway; the retards are the ones trying to do this and don't even deserve to be a roleplayer) trying to bring Argonath as a whole into the IC/OOC rule that we implement on OURSELVES AND OUR GROUPS with the sole purpose of being comfortable playing according to their needs, habits, or whatever on Argonath.If you are forcing this rule in your GROUP, then perhaps we were wRONg to give your GROUP official status and it shoud be removed from the GROUP.
If you honestly think that we're setting out to destroy Argonath and trying to bring it under an IC/OOC rule, then go right the f**k ahead ahead and disallow it. Players like me and Void will honestly not give a flying f**k what you do, because we're open minded and simple people.No use as people would find a way to sneak it in anyhow, as they already did with many rules from other servers. It will just cause some surprise now and then when players find that something they thought was a rule never was.
IC/OOC is not treated as inferior but as unnecesary. That is a difference you do not seem to grasp.
They should be tweaked because a lot of people are being disrespected so treating people who use IC/OOC methods as Inferior and saying they are not welcome is going against that up there(as it says, leave or change your view(s). So for #9 instead of it saying "Any groups of players in game" add in the people that are excused, because im noticing a few people who seem to think they are.
We allow freedom, but we are not in favour of teaching new player to follow rules from other servers.
If other servers allow racism, should we allow it because they do ?
If you are forcing this rule in your GROUP, then perhaps we were wRONg to give your GROUP official status and it shoud be removed from the GROUP.
No use as people would find a way to sneak it in anyhow, as they already did with many rules from other servers. It will just cause some surprise now and then when players find that something they thought was a rule never was.
You mad again.Not quoting, misinterpreting.
And you said yourself that you don't care. Not judging, quoting (actually paraphrasing, reduced the swear word).
IC/OOC is not treated as inferior but as unnecesary. That is a difference you do not seem to grasp.
@XanderWhat the fuck is this?
IC/OOC breaks 4. and 8.a.
1)We allow freedom, but we are not in favour of teaching new player to follow rules from other servers.1) Rules are SUPPOSED to be followed, or disciplinary action will be taken. We're not telling a new player, "USE IC/OOC OR I FUCKING PUNISH U I DONT KNOW HOW I DONT GOT ADMIN POWERS BUT I STILL PUNISH U" by using IC/OOC. Besides, don't you spam the living crap out of them with your rules when they first join (yes, I'm exaggerating by A LOT)?
1a)If other servers allow racism, should we allow it because they do ?
2)If you are forcing this rule in your GROUP, then perhaps we were wRONg to give your GROUP official status and it shoud be removed from the GROUP.
3)No use as people would find a way to sneak it in anyhow, as they already did with many rules from other servers. It will just cause some surprise now and then when players find that something they thought was a rule never was.
5. Argonath leaders will accept new rules and scripts only if they fit the vision. If any suggestion is limiting the possibility to play for new players, strives to give advantage to more experienced players, or creates a more complex rule that would make it hard to understand or follow, it will be rejected, regardless of how much support there is from the communityUsing IC/OOC is a guideline or habit of playing, not a rule, as you and Aragorn ignorantly imply it to be. In another server, it classes as a rule there, because it literally is a rule that is REQUIRED to be followed or face a ban. In Argonath, it's a choice. When you take that choice away from YOUR players, you truly hurt the very hope that the players will get fun from the server, rather than being raped with rules like "NO USING IC/OOC BECAUSE ITS FUCKING FORBIDDEN BECAUSE (insert rp server name that isn't Argonath here) USES IT"
6. Argonath players are, regardless of point 5, free to implement within their group or play guidelines and habits of playing. However they are not allowed to force people outside their group to use the same rules, resort to flaming, insulting, or trying to excluse players who do not play by non-official group rules.
@Xander
IC/OOC breaks 4. and 8.a.
If you read, swearing in a rp situation is allowed in limited cases.People keep twisting and abusing this "exception for role-play", by treating flaming as only swearing. Flaming is not allowed at all, without any exceptions.
Besides, don't you spam the living crap out of them with your rules when they first join (yes, I'm exaggerating by A LOT)?That was made on request of players who find it too distressing to help new people understand therules.
1a) Oh, well allow me to retort.That is not reorting, but it is making fun of what I said. Obviously because you can not counter the point in question.
No, you shouldn't, because it'd make you look cool and rebellious to be different and you should run everything the exact opposite of the server that allows racism.
2) Way to go and contradict yourself.Using IC/OOC is a guideline or habit of playing, not a rule, as you and Aragorn ignorantly imply it to be. In another server, it classes as a rule there, because it literally is a rule that is REQUIRED to be followed or face a ban. In Argonath, it's a choice. When you take that choice away from YOUR players, you truly hurt the very hope that the players will get fun from the server, rather than being raped with rules like "NO USING IC/OOC BECAUSE ITS f**kING FORBIDDEN BECAUSE (insert rp server name that isn't Argonath here) USES IT"Not a contradiction at all. And if you feel that "fun" depends on the usage of IC/OOC I guess that you have no clue about fun.
3) Didn't your mother teach you not to think pessimistically on things all the time?Yes but certain players showed me the opposite.
The Argonath Vision (along with the basic rules) is the set of core values on which Argonath RPG revolves, and one of the reasons for the successful community like this. Sauron, Gandalf, Aragorn, and Legolas did not found a community just to have people f*ck it up by implementing things that do nothing but turn it into a complicated mess of incomprehensible rules!
Call me old-fashioned ...
RP cannot be evaluated, its just like DNA. Every person has his own style, wants, demands in a RP situation.
Its just stupid to argue what's best and what's worst regarding RP.
You RP your way, I'll practice it my way and we will find a compromise for a mutual satisfaction if we ever meet and RP.
IC/OOC is for people without a brain.Silly Giac, flaming is for kids! The missionary for the Argonath Vision just showed his true colors!
/end
If the "Champions of IC and OOC", especially my dear and beloved MetalLuigiX, still do not understand this statement, then you must have no comprehension ability or common sense at all...Awesome! I have a fan! High-five!
If I say "F*ck you, you stupid b*tch!" to another player in RP, then I am still flaming that player as what I said goes against the Argonath Vision (and even against the basic rules!)... which stands against IC/OOC. We are not here confuse players or to flame them subversively.We don't use IC/OOC as an excuse to flame. Flame is flame, no matter what characters from the keyboard surround what is said. If people say "ITS IC" and use it as an excuse to flame, then they probably deserve the insults you throw at the general population + punishment for breaking the golden rule.
Why not letting people RP how they want, instead classifying douches and IC/OOC-ers under same term.This is all I ask. Really. This is all, I, ask, from you anti-srs rpers and your anti-IC/OOC legion.
Why not letting people RP how they want, instead classifying douches and IC/OOC-ers under same term.In other words, please, I ask of respect as a person, not because of how I roleplay.
(with the exception of Dave)...(again, with the exception of Dave) ).
lol.You're one of the few who actually has a level of respect, or at least shows it despite the level of disrespect you MAY have.
May I just point out the fact that some of you may be overlooking the posts by Aragorn and Gandalf about this subject. You know, the posts that sophisticatedly tell you where to put your IC / OOC stuff, right?In the bin?
Please read thisThis is all I ask. Really. This is all, I, ask, from you anti-srs rpers and your anti-IC/OOC legion.
If you don't want me using IC/OOC, fine. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. But all I ask in return isIn other words, please, I ask of respect as a person, not because of how I roleplay.
And I'll repeat again before you judge me strictly under the IC/OOC category. I use both depending on my audience. I'll do what makes you happy, because when you're happy, then I'm happy, and we can all be friends.
So, Lot of people use OOC/IC at Argonath server, we shouldn't forbid it. But there are people who don't support it, so that's why we don't get scripted chat command for it like /b .
We allow freedom, but we are not in favour of teaching new player to follow rules from other servers.
If other servers allow racism, should we allow it because they do ?
stop f**king confuse players and think that we are one of those OOC/IC servers...
Its not a form... It is the rule from other servers... We have our own rules - Obey them...
And do not confuse players with OOC/IC rule... It is not Argonath then...
Its nice to defend the OOC/IC and to ignore that with its usage you implement into Argonath the rule from other server, which is not in Argonath rules at all...
we will just disallow this usage not to confuse players...
What part of the fact that by using OOC/IC, you mislead people into following these rules too (not Argonath rules) intentionally or not do you people not understand?The mislead may be misguided at birth, then, if you catch my drift.
Look how many times this has been said by developers just in this topic:
The mislead may be misguided at birth, then, if you catch my drift.That's the point, to stop misguiding at birth :poke:
That's the point, to stop misguiding at birth :poke:
Exactly.Name one player who has been or is confused.
Stop confusing players, stop confusing players, stop confusing players, stop confusing players.
Let people roleplay the way they want. If I start a roleplay and the other person starts using IC/OOC I do too. If he doesn't start with IC/OOC, I dont. Simple as.This guy read my mind and TL;DR'd all of what I said.
I have never tried to enforce OOC/IC or tried to stop someone from using it. It's their way of roleplaying, who the hell are we to judge? As long as they dont purposefully go around trying to teach IC/OOC to players who DONT want to learn about it, no problem.
Giac, nice way of going ahead with a example as a SA:MP Moderator saying that OOC/IC users dont have a brain.. Provoking is not allowed here..
Okay, so...
Let everyone roleplay as they want, but don't enforce it.
Where do you people get time for this? I really wanna know.
Silly Giac, flaming is for kids! The missionary for the Argonath Vision just showed his true colors!Awesome! I have a fan! High-five!The Argonath Vision says nothing about flaming :lol:
Funny how you guys did not answer my small question on page 6...
Its nice to defend the OOC/IC and to ignore that with its usage you implement into Argonath the rule from other server, which is not in Argonath rules at all...
What will happen to you on those RP servers where is this OOC/IC shit and start talking like on Argonath?
You do not answer because its clear: you will be banned...
Then why you want Argonath to use other servers rules?
I can say how we see it... It is just disrespect to the Argonath rules... Our rules you do not follow but f**king trying to implement the other servers rules...
I am really pissed of reading thie two f**king pages... And if two piece of OOC/IC will not f**king stop to bring into Argonath this stupid rule from other servers I will just f**king disallow it by power...
Wanna OOC/IC? Then f**k off from Argonath... FFS...
You brought this rule from other servers... If you do not use it there - you will be banned...
Thats why its a rule...
And stop fooling us and yourselves here around...
Other servers ban for not using it...
As I said - stop f**king confuse players and think that we are one of those OOC/IC servers...
Any new comment like "It is not a rule!!!" "We do not want to destory Argonath's vision" will just lead to the strict actions against this shit...
Why the f**k we should allow the spread of "srs" RP servers here if we are on our own world...
Forget about OOC/IC on Argonath... If you do not like this - go there where its a normal rule/style/whatever...
*pic*
We brought this rule from our "Gaming nurture".We didn't brought it here, to preach it.
We aren't some kind of Franco bishops in the 10th century.
You guys are really waiting to piss off RON, aren't you?JDC fuck off with your 'ARGOorGTFO' attitude.
He and Gandalf have given reasons over and over again why IC/OOC is discouraged on the server and is on the verge of being disallowed. As you constantly fail to understand those posts (from RON and Gandalf alone, if which combined are enough for a huge sticky topic of their own), you are the ones with no comprehension ability!
Simple. If you want to drag in "rules" from other servers, then leave this place and go to those other servers. Stop defending your sad excuses to deviate the server from what it is supposed to be.
I respect freedom of players on the server but I do not, have not, and will not ever respect the act of players misleading other players into the sad and pathetic misconception that you need a whole lot of rules and bullshit to RP, which is known as IC/OOC, as it confuses players! I would rather use my brain, thank you very much.
Inb4 "JDC f**k off with your 'ARGOorGTFO' attitude", remember that Aragorn said the same thing... only that he was harsher than me. :lol:
Stop defending your sad excuses to deviate the server from what it is supposed to be.>Implying we're trying to turn Argonath into a serious roleplay server
I respect freedom of players on the server but I do not, have not, and will not ever respect the act of players misleading other players into the sad and pathetic misconception that you need a whole lot of rules and bullshit to RP, which is known as IC/OOC, as it confuses players! I would rather use my brain, thank you very much.>Implying that the majority of the players are actually stupid enough to be mislead in the first place
>Implying we're trying to turn Argonath into a serious roleplay server
>Implying that the majority of the players are actually stupid enough to be mislead in the first place
>Implying people are stupid enough to be confused by two pairs of parenthesis
Since you ran out of things to say just get off the topic.
Where do you people get time for this? I really wanna know.
JDC f**k off with your 'ARGOorGTFO' attitude.
No, just kidding, mate. :lol:
Other servers use IC/OOC to separate Leon Gvardia's testicles and (Insert my RL full name here)'s testicles. Yes, anyone can just say
My balls itch
IG?
No, IRL
lol
But think about it. You save a FULL TWO LINES of chat messages if you had put that shit in brackets!
(http://myfacewhen.com/images/177.jpg)
TWO LINES BRO!!!!1111
Ok, seriously now.>Implying we're trying to turn Argonath into a serious roleplay server
>Implying our "excuses" are sad
>Implying you know what it is supposed to be>Implying that the majority of the players are actually stupid enough to be mislead in the first place
>Implying people are stupid enough to be confused by two pairs of parenthesis
>Implying IC/OOC is a whole lot of rules
>Implying IC/OOC is a misconception
>Implying IC/OOC users don't have a brain
>Implying you even use your brain
Look, like I give a f**k if IC/OOC is removed. The only reason I'm arguing here is:
1. You think everyone who uses IC/OOC is an uneducated moron - You're wRONg and likely stupid yourself just by implying this
2. You think that every single new player is stupid and easily confused - You're wRONg and you underestimate the power of the human brain
3. You think IC/OOC is a whole lot of rules - It isn't, it's a method of differentiating between your character and your IRL self. Yes, I know this can be managed without IC/OOC, but IC/OOC shortens the process.
4. You think everyone who uses IC/OOC is a 'very srs roleplayer' and is trying to turn Argonath into a 'generic roleplay server' - Not true. Argonath and its other servers is/was my first and ONLY SA:MP server. The last time I had played Grand Theft Auto was on the PS2 at my dad's house, a year after it came out. Also, people like me and Void are "mixed-IC/OOC". Definition: We use and don't use IC/OOC, depending on a given situation.
5. You talk about how much IC/OOC is tabooed on Argonath and how it's going to be disallowed - f**king disallow it then. You should have f**king disallowed it when you first saw it if you were going to turn Argonath from a fun, relaxed roleplay server to a f**kALL IC/OOC Legion of wanna-be Leet-anti-IC/OOC-roleplayers. Maybe if you hadn't whined about IC/OOC in the first place or tried to imply that it's super-duper tabooed on Argonath, then maybe we wouldn't even have this discussion. Maybe if you hadn't classed IC/OOC'ers into the same category as retards and douche bags.
Your MOANING about IC/OOC is the problem, not IC/OOC itself. MOANERS like you are constantly MOANING about "f**kING IC/OOC f**kING STUPID f**kING LERN TO ROLEPLAY f**kING STUPID f**k f**k f**k YOU f**k THIS f**k ME f**k HIM YOU USE IC/OOC GET THE f**k OUT YOU'RE A DOUCHE" (TL;DR, you think IC/OOC is stupid and constantly cry about it because you don't know how to show self restraint). So stop MOANING, or Argonath will turn into one of the very things you're trying to stop it from becoming (in this case, "MOANVILLE").
Seriously guys. You're insulting the entire community by saying we're going to confuse people (especially new players) into thinking IC/OOC is a rule. The only way that's going to happen is if some retarded dipshit PMs a new player "Hey, using IC/OOC is a rule and is strictly forbidden not to use it." If someone's actually done that, then on behalf of all people who use IC/OOC in Argonath, I genuinely apologize to that player. But we don't have morons on this server (starting to think otherwise now), so that isn't the case, NOW IS IT?
If you think we're going to confuse new players, and if you honestly think the new players are incapable of knowing that IC/OOC is not a rule, then add it on there when they join the server.
"IC/OOC IS NOT A RULE - YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO USE IT"
They say empathy is an important part of a relationship. Show some empathy towards those who use IC/OOC, and imagine being constantly attacked with "CANT USE YOUR BRAIN" "YOURE A bad guy FOR USING IC/OOC" "OMG U USE IC/OOC THEREFORE U R A DOUCHE AND RETARDED" every two hours.
"IC/OOC IS NOT A RULE
You brought this rule from other servers... If you do not use it there - you will be banned...
Thats why its a rule...
And stop fooling us and yourselves here around...
Other servers ban for not using it...
As I said - stop f**king confuse players and think that we are one of those OOC/IC servers...
Any new comment like "It is not a rule!!!" "We do not want to destory Argonath's vision" will just lead to the strict actions against this shit...
Why the f**k we should allow the spread of "srs" RP servers here if we are on our own world...
Forget about OOC/IC on Argonath... If you do not like this - go there where its a normal rule/style/whatever...
The server owner's answer to this discussion:Ban some people who just has a different way of role play without forcing others to it? Common give it a rest mate.
f**k off with the OOC and IC shit.
Simple. Learn some f**king respect and obey the owners' wishes, after all, they give up their own personal time with their families, and their own money to deal with your constant f**king complaining.
If only I could ask Aragorn or Gandalf to give me 5 minutes alone in the server with all the people who bad girl about everything.
Actually, comming to think of it, it would take more than 5 minutes to issue all of those bans.
Question to Aragorn and Gandalf. (NOT YOU JDC!)I know you directed the questions to them, but they already answered on this same topic ( and few more times on similar topics). Use what ever role play you want, don't force others to do it, and all will be fine.
Is IC/OOC allowed, or has it been prohibited now and should admins punish it?
Okay, so...That's about it.
Let everyone roleplay as they want, but don't enforce it.
Ban some people who just has a different way of role play without forcing others to it? Common give it a rest mate.
You brought this rule from other servers... If you do not use it there - you will be banned...
Thats why its a rule...
And stop fooling us and yourselves here around...
Other servers ban for not using it...
As I said - stop f**king confuse players and think that we are one of those OOC/IC servers...
Any new comment like "It is not a rule!!!" "We do not want to destory Argonath's vision" will just lead to the strict actions against this shit...
Why the f**k we should allow the spread of "srs" RP servers here if we are on our own world...
Forget about OOC/IC on Argonath... If you do not like this - go there where its a normal rule/style/whatever...
Its not a form... It is the rule from other servers... We have our own rules - Obey them...
And do not confuse players with OOC/IC rule... It is not Argonath then...
Funny how you guys did not answer my small question on page 6...Keep digging your hole.
Its nice to defend the OOC/IC and to ignore that with its usage you implement into Argonath the rule from other server, which is not in Argonath rules at all...
What will happen to you on those RP servers where is this OOC/IC shit and start talking like on Argonath?
You do not answer because its clear: you will be banned...
Then why you want Argonath to use other servers rules?
I can say how we see it... It is just disrespect to the Argonath rules... Our rules you do not follow but f**king trying to implement the other servers rules...
I am really pissed of reading thie two f**king pages... And if two piece of OOC/IC will not f**king stop to bring into Argonath this stupid rule from other servers I will just f**king disallow it by power...
Wanna OOC/IC? Then f**k off from Argonath... FFS...
Just saddens me even mature people try to argue over a retarded topic for kids like this is.
Why? Those two server owners are people to whom I have similar views on IC/OOC. The only thing lacking is the part where I say "If you want to IC/OOC here, then fuck off". Everything you just said to me may as well be addressed to them as they too have spoken against IC/OOC.Only they actually bring up their own points and ideas, while you just quote and don't even bother to use your own point.
You, my friend, are the moaner. Not me. Learn what a f**king mirror is.I know what it is, but sadly, I broke it because I ran out of things to facepalm with, including my hand, which I seem to have developed facepalm syndrome in.
Notice how I basically posted a copy of the things he said... it is not because I lick their asses. Rather, I have a high respect for them (people who gave much of their time to deal with people like you)... and that is very different from licking ass.People like me? Lol. To them, dealing with someone defending his points about IC/OOC compared to a hacker stealing scripts and hijacking accounts from the server is like dealing with a crippled ant compared to a hornet's nest.
Why? Those two server owners are people to whom I have similar views on IC/OOC. The only thing lacking is the part where I say "If you want to IC/OOC here, then fuck off". Everything you just said to me may as well be addressed to them as they too have spoken against IC/OOC.Uhh...no, not really. The way they different from you is that Aragorn and Gandalf are not
>Implying our "excuses" are sad - They are actually taking our points and giving reasons why they dissent with our opinion, not saying our excuses are sad.
>Implying you know what it is supposed to be - Why should they have to imply it? THEY CREATED IT (It = Argonath)
>Implying IC/OOC is a whole lot of rules - They know it's simply one little rule out of the hundreds a generic "RLRP" server may have...
>Implying IC/OOC users don't have a brain - Unlike you, they actually bother to respect those who use it by not using "IC/OOC users can't use a brain/don't have a brain." Instead of insulting the users, they insult the idea of IC/OOC itself, which is not even harmful to a human being.
Oh and btw.I meant that IC/OOC is not a rule within ARGONATH. Someone as smart as you should be able to realize that. owait...
Read this.
Seems like I'm not the one without common sense. :rofl:Yeah, that explains about everything.
Thank you Joe for your comment, it is acknowledged and it will be proceeded to the carebox and examined in details.Or me.
Did I say this is a moan/insult topic? No. If you have anything against their group, PM Cofiliano.
Regards,
Thank you Joe for your comment, it is acknowledged and it will be proceeded to the carebox and examined in details.
Did I say this is a moan/insult topic? No. If you have anything against their group, PM Cofiliano.
Regards,
JDC, tell me what happened on that day of May 01, 2008? Who were you here and what tempted you to join?
Everyone is starting from the same position.
I assure you, RP with Luigi. I believe you can make an arrangement.Only decent solution for your stubbornness.
I am keen to organize a RP without IC/OOC but with players who sometimes use this technique.
What is your answer?
Can you get online this weekend(question for all participators in this conversation)
Regards,
Only my friends call me Joe, you may refer to me as my ingame name 'Julio' Have fun with your imaginary carebox, I am sure your sarcasm will get you as far in life as washing dishes.
Bye
This is internet, you see?
Sarcasm will get me in life as far as your personal insult regarding a correct information post of a person you don't know.
Here, I will put you a tl;dr word: Shallowness.
Quit the discussion, you can make more posts in Forum Games board.
I have only just joined the discussion, I have no intention of leaving it.
If you are trying to use the forum Games as an insult, let me remind you that this is based IN a game, so calling me childish would therefore mean nothing.
Only my friends call me Joe, you may refer to me as my ingame name Julio"- giving me notice as in "act professional", my response: "This is internet"
I am sure your sarcasm will get you as far in life as washing dishes.My answer: Sarcasm will get me in life as far as your personal insult regarding a correct information post of a person you don't know..Every work is decent, as so is washing dishes.Respect every hard working person who tries to success.Its called "struggling for existence".
ByeIt seems you have left.According to your post.
you are trying to use the forum Games as an insultWhat?
So it seems I will have to write a tl;dr of every word I write.
- giving me notice as in "act professional", my response: "This is internet"
My answer: Sarcasm will get me in life as far as your personal insult regarding a correct information post of a person you don't know..Every work is decent, as so is washing dishes.Respect every hard working person who tries to success.Its called "struggling for existence".
It seems you have left.According to your post.
What?
If you have something to post regarding this subject, please do before you confuse yourself.
Yes some work is more decent than others
Wrong.I did not even mention money
All work is decent. if you enjoy your profession it will fulfill you as a person.
By using decent as a term of happiness, you are very wrong.
Decent = More money .... no.
Do what you love, not what brings more money.
Official status removed from Gvardia until they drop IC/OOC requirement.
On their application, they are asked if they understand the IC and OOC rules and what not. They are required to say yes truthfully, otherwise, they would not have been accepted in the first place. If they lied, then that's more of a reason for them to remove their tag.
Question to Aragorn and Gandalf. (NOT YOU JDC!)
Is IC/OOC allowed, or has it been prohibited now and should admins punish it?
Answer please, owners are sending mixed messages.We never said it is not permitted. We do say that anyone who tries to bring it in as a rule increases the chance of us making it a rule of NOT being allowed.
We never said it is not permitted. We do say that anyone who tries to bring it in as a rule increases the chance of us making it a rule of NOT being allowed.
Can you not read?I can but you can't obviously. Read it again, carefully.
Ban some people who just has a different way of role play without forcing others to it? Common give it a rest mate.All that Aragorn says is he/them forbids the spreading of it in Argonath and making it a "rule", which is perfectly fine, since its not the goal Argonath is going toward, but also that they allow the usage of it, like Gandalf posted this morning and many many many times before :
We never said it is not permitted. We do say that anyone who tries to bring it in as a rule increases the chance of us making it a rule of NOT being allowed.
We never said it is not permitted. We do say that anyone who tries to bring it in as a rule increases the chance of us making it a rule of NOT being allowed.
Then what's left untold?
I do not see any sanctions regarding this subject.
Joe: No need for an apology, I understand the pressures of schooling.
If have have misread this text, please do not hesitate to contact me.I take it you're indirectly insulting me? :roll:
We never said it is not permitted. We do say that anyone who tries to bring it in as a rule increases the chance of us making it a rule of NOT being allowed.I know you guys said the reason perhaps 4 times total EACH (and even had a little sidekick to repeat every exact word you said...), but your reasoning seems vague. I understand that it's a "rule" brought from other servers and that it may confuse players, etcetera, but I ask that you elaborate on why you have a low level of tolerance (definition used in this case: accepting another person's difference, e.g., an opinion, and not showing any sign of dissent) against IC/OOC. Yes, you said something along the lines of... "poor creativity and imagination" and that it could be implementing "a rule from another server," but if we want to get any resolution out of this, then I'll need you to elaborate and highlight (not literally highlight) each and every reason, so I won't be in doubt one bit of what you say.
I take it you're indirectly insulting me? :roll:It is not us who have a low tolerance. It is the people who are used to using IC/OOC who constantly wish to remind those who do not about the usage.
Don't even answer that question.I know you guys said the reason perhaps 4 times total EACH (and even had a little sidekick to repeat every exact word you said...), but your reasoning seems vague. I understand that it's a "rule" brought from other servers and that it may confuse players, etcetera, but I ask that you elaborate on why you have a low level of tolerance (definition used in this case: accepting another person's difference, e.g., an opinion, and not showing any sign of dissent) against IC/OOC. Yes, you said something along the lines of... "poor creativity and imagination" and that it could be implementing "a rule from another server," but if we want to get any resolution out of this, then I'll need you to elaborate and highlight (not literally highlight) each and every reason, so I won't be in doubt one bit of what you say.
Elaborate, meaning, make a "TL;DR" - I'll read it twice. You know what they say - You read it once, you'll probably remember 30-40% of what you read. You read it twice, and you'll remember around 80% of what you read; reading any more times won't make much of a difference.
It is not us who have a low tolerance. It is the people who are used to using IC/OOC who constantly wish to remind those who do not about the usage.
With apologies to the LGBT community: We have no problem whatsoever with people being gay in their bedroom, however if they constantly wish to remind everyone they are gay and make a public display of how they need to be tolerated, that will cause problems with more people as it will solve.
Replace gay with IC/OOC.
Now, we come to the conclusion. Generalizing.That is what we all do...
That is what we all do...
Only they actually bring up their own points and ideas, while you just quote and don't even bother to use your own point.I know what it is, but sadly, I broke it because I ran out of things to facepalm with, including my hand, which I seem to have developed facepalm syndrome in.
I'll admit (because I have the balls and know how to take responsibility), I HAVE moaned before, and I still will moan in the future. However, at least I know the boundaries between a complaint and excessively overdoing it. Overdoing it would go something like...
"f**king IC/OOCers are trying to turn Argonath into a generic RP server!!1111"
"f**king IC/OOCers are trying to turn Argonath into a generic RP server!!1111"
"f**king IC/OOCers are trying to turn Argonath into a generic RP server!!1111"
"f**king IC/OOCers are trying to turn Argonath into a generic RP server!!1111"
(btw, IC/OOC =/= srs generic rp. 78 rules covering each and every situation = srs generic rp. IC/OOC is only one out of 78 rules)
Stop moaning about IC/OOCers trying to turn Argonath into a "very generic rp server." You act like we're out there to hunt you down with our kitty claws and Rape-X tubes. You are so paranoid... maybe if I were to walk in a school with a shirt with the metal sign (\m/) on it (which actually depicts devil horns), the security will be like "DEVIL SIGN, HE DO BAD DEEDS AND BURN BUILDING", much like how you guys see the OOC tags, and you say "OH SHIT, OOC TAGS, HE TRY TURN ARGO TO SRS RP SERVER."People like me? Lol. To them, dealing with someone defending his points about IC/OOC compared to a hacker stealing scripts and hijacking accounts from the server is like dealing with a crippled ant compared to a hornet's nest.
They've really got nothing to deal with; I'm not breaking a rule. They're simply CHOOSING to argue their points about IC/OOC, much like I am. We're having a mature conversation (mature, meaning, not doing this: "f**k YOU IC/OOC" "NO f**k YOU NON IC/OOC" "NO f**k YOU" "NO f**k" "f**kf**kf**k").Uhh...no, not really. The way they different from you is that Aragorn and Gandalf are not
And your challenge is declined. Here's why, so read VERY CLOSELY[/u].
I have no fear what so ever of saying what I said to you to them. I do, however, have the fear that they'll no longer have any trust in me because I lied about them. I'll also fear that they'll feel insulted when I say they are (doing something) they are not.
Gandalf and Aragorn aren't actually moaning. Calling them moaners would give them every right to call me a liar. It's hard to fix your reputation of being a liar, even if you aren't a liar.I meant that IC/OOC is not a rule within ARGONATH. Someone as smart as you should be able to realize that. owait...Yeah, that explains about everything.
I'll accept your challenge if you allow me to only say the things I said to you to them that are the truth when directed at them. Until then, no. I refuse to lie; it's degrading. And you just encouraged me to lie! :lol:
JDC, tell me what happened on that day of May 01, 2008? Who were you here and what tempted you to join?
Everyone is starting from the same position.
Empty server... with 100+ players in TAB list. Where is everyone?
Elitist players who shunned anyone who did not RP with their standards (explained below)
Admins spamming me with "NO OOC CHAT IN /B" whenever I tried to chill around like I did so often in Argonath.
Very few cars and none that I can drive since they were all owned and all new players had to get a key before driving any car...
Server that forced roleplay and rigid standard of it that was meant as a replacement for brainpower... what is that standard? Today I call it IC/OOC.
After that, I visited 7 other RP Servers and found the exact same things.
... then I went to those other servers to see for myself what all the hype was about. After I joined as yet another "noob" on a certain RP
Empty server... with 100+ players in TAB list. Where is everyone?
Elitist players who shunned anyone who did not RP with their standards (explained below)
Admins spamming me with "NO OOC CHAT IN /B" whenever I tried to chill around like I did so often in Argonath.
Very few cars and none that I can drive since they were all owned and all new players had to get a key before driving any car...
Server that forced roleplay and rigid standard of it that was meant as a replacement for brainpower... what is that standard? Today I call it IC/OOC.
After that, I visited 7 other RP Servers and found the exact same things.
Since then I have come to love Argonath more.
And yes this is all a true story...
I startedIs it me or did you previously say that you use it only when others use it?
So, you're saying that using IC/OOC is an excuse to bring crap into /L instead of sending a private message to the person you're talking to... Do you know that there already are chats, not related to role-play, in example the private messaging system and the public chat?What he said.
It is not us who have a low tolerance. It is the people who are used to using IC/OOC who constantly wish to remind those who do not about the usage.300 words summarized into 51. To be honest, Gandalf, I underestimated you, and I dearly apologize to you for it.
With apologies to the LGBT community: We have no problem whatsoever with people being gay in their bedroom, however if they constantly wish to remind everyone they are gay and make a public display of how they need to be tolerated, that will cause problems with more people as it will solve.
Replace gay with IC/OOC.
Viewer discretion advised... read this post maturely or not at all.Your mind is severely tainted.
2.
On the other hand, people like you, who constantly b*tch and point fingers at those who stick to community, who help those who are bringing in bullshits from other communities and DEFENDING those bullshits, are constantly around to cause headaches for the developers and owners.
Did RON and CBF try to leave because of the hackers who tried to steal scripts or the hackers who simply tried to fly around on server with cars? No. They tried to leave because of people like YOU, MetaLuigiX!
3. You already are a liar. You posted shit about me as I spoke against IC/OOC and even posted many quotes from Owners' posts. I speak as much as I can without going over the edge and adhering to The Vision as much as possible, yet you cannot criticize them the way you criticized me, for speaking against it.1. I am not a liar.
9. Argonath bases its community on respect and friendship between players of all nations. This means that those who feel that they are allowed to disrespect others, consider others as inferior or treat them as such will be offered the choice to either change their views or leave the community. This includes any groups of players in game.So, JDC, what's it going to be? Are you still going to insult and generalize IC/OOC users, or are you going to leave the community?
4. My dear Champion of IC/OOC, all of what you posted just proves you cannot criticize owners for saying the same sort of things as I have said. Until the day you call them moaners for saying IC/OOC is shit and telling IC/OOC users to f**k off (I did the former as well, the latter I did in a subtler way), then I will hold the assumption that you are an asslicker.>Implying I only use IC/OOC and don't respect or welcome any other style of roleplay
It is not us who have a low tolerance. It is the people who are used to using IC/OOC who constantly wish to remind those who do not about the usage.
With apologies to the LGBT community: We have no problem whatsoever with people being gay in their bedroom, however if they constantly wish to remind everyone they are gay and make a public display of how they need to be tolerated, that will cause problems with more people as it will solve.
Replace gay with IC/OOC.
you know who you are?? your the sort type of guy whereas IF you says 1 thing and if new information was added then the idea deserves to be re-valuated BUT you will not give a chance and will just argue further to defend your position although you know its bullshit...why though?Now before you accuse me of that, I just admitted defeat to Gandalf due to the quote I posted above. I asked him to provide a reason, and he delivered.
Until the day you call them moaners for saying IC/OOC is shit and telling IC/OOC users to f**k off (I did the former as well, the latter I did in a subtler way), then I will hold the assumption that you are an asslicker.You sure can dish out the "asslicker" insult, but you sure as hell can't take it, Mr. MTA:VC Veteran.
Oh and CB radio.Oh and not everyone around might not be in the CBRadio
Is it me or did you previously say that you use it only when others use it?
So from all of the available chats ( /p /cb /pm AND MORE) which have both higher range and/or better privacy level, you have to use /L... with brackets.Imagine this:
:lol:
I respect anyone's RP standards and I always try to adapt to another payer regarding IC/OOC.
Imagine this:Why would POIUY want a meeting with ASDFGH if they are an uncooperative group of 15 DMers?
The POIUY mafia wants a meeting with the ASDFGH mafia. The ASDFGH mafia doesn't want to join one CB channel, so the POIUY mafia doesn't give a damn and goes on with it. They sit at one table...many people...and all of the sudden, ASDFGH starts DMing everyone
(( ASDFGH, if you can't f**king act maturely, then leave the damn meeting ))Why use brackets for that?
It is called adaption to the other party.How is it adaptation if you start it?
I respect anyone's RP standards and I always try to adapt to another player regarding IC/OOC.
How is it adaptation if you start it?
If you're scanning for IC/OOC users (checking who uses it), that's a sign of preferring to play with IC/OOC users, not a logic of "I don't care if you use it or not"
1. I constantly bitch and point fingers at those who think them and their generation are better than everyone else's. I have absolutely NO problem with those who stick to the community. Dave sticks to the community. Do I have problems with him? No, I don't. Me and Dave get along well, as a matter of fact.
2. Other communities? Around to cause headaches for developers and owners? For one, Argonath is/was my first and only community. Yes, I've been to a retarded RLRP server before - It was terrible. 10 minute tutorial, about 87 rules total that covered literally EVERYTHING, more than half of which can be interpreted by common sense, NO CAR, and a God-awful admin team who rarely wants to help you. Yes, my experience was VERY similar to yours.
And for two, if my sole purpose was to cause headaches for developers and owners on this community... well, let's just say I wouldn't still be here after a year. Let's also just say that developers would disrespect me (which they don't, I know for a fact) and that the owners would place multiple sanctions on me to prevent causing any further headaches.
3. People like me? The absolute worst thing I've ever done on this server was crack quite a few n****r jokes. I'm doing nothing to cause people like CBF to consider leaving (unless CBF was black - which he isn't). Please check the "ACSD Is banned" topic somewhere in SA:MP General, and you'll see what's been driving CBFasi nuts.1. I am not a liar.
Prove me wrong.[/u]
2. Well, you tried to adhere to The Vision, but you failed after you disrespected and regarded the people who use IC/OOC as retards.So, JDC, what's it going to be? Are you still going to insult and generalize IC/OOC users, or are you going to leave the community?
3. I cannot criticize them the way I criticized you, because Gandalf and Aragorn approached the matter with the proper attitude. Gandalf in particular maintained a great level of respect and avoided generalizing an entire group. You, on the other hand, jumped into the deep end with your hands tied behind your back and your feet tied to your hands without a life jacket.>Implying I only use IC/OOC and don't respect or welcome any other style of roleplay
1. Correction: I cannot criticize owners for saying the same sort of things you copied and pasted right after they said it.
Correction 2: I cannot criticize owners because of their general approach to the IC/OOC crap. You approach it as going against The Vision (which I still fail to see which point of the vision goes against - If you'd be so kind to point out which one it goes against...) and as it turning Argonath into a real-life roleplay server. Tell me something. Do we use double parentheses in real life in the first place? No, we don't, hence you are wRONg.
4. Argonath strives to keep rules simple and understandable. Our community was created as free RP, based on imagination and creativity. We will not ever support it changing in to a jungle of rules that are impossible to understand, follow and adhere to. Our rules will remain the minimal needed to stop players who wish to disturb the fun in playing from doing so, not more and not less.
5. Argonath leaders will accept new rules and scripts only if they fit the vision. If any suggestion is limiting the possibility to play for new players, strives to give advantage to more experienced players, or creates a more complex rule that would make it hard to understand or follow, it will be rejected, regardless of how much support there is from the community
10. Argonath will remain as open, friendly and strong community for people worldwide who wish to enjoy playing a game based on imagination and creativity.
The difference between this quote and what your approach is that Gandalf's point is correct - yours is based off of theories, imagination, and paranoia.
2. All of what you have said just proves that you refuse to say any point you make is proven wrong, regardless if it's actually bullshit. Refer toNow before you accuse me of that, I just admitted defeat to Gandalf due to the quote I posted above. I asked him to provide a reason, and he delivered.You sure can dish out the "asslicker" insult, but you sure as hell can't take it, Mr. MTA:VC Veteran
Sorry for the irrelevance, but this song is dedicated to Luweegee.Lyrics make sense. A lot.
Search up for lyrics, it will make more sense ;)
Agnostic Front - Victim in pain (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_akYLilAHk#)
I have stated many reasons time and time again for my points... yet you say that I don't have any? The question "can you even read?" comes to my mind here, to be honest.Something we actually agree on!
/report 1 ASDFGH group dm.And the busy admin(s) are busy with other reports and shit.
Problem solved.
Lyrics make sense. A lot. IC/OOC users (for the most part, anyway - correct me if I'm wrong on this one respectively) also didn't go "HEY NON-IC/OOC USERS, DO IC/OOC OR YOU'RE BAD RPERS."
IC/OOC users (for the most part, anyway - correct me if I'm wrong on this one respectably) also didn't go "HEY NON-IC/OOC USERS, DO IC/OOC OR YOU'RE BAD RPERS."
New players who watch OOC/IC users will already think that themselves.Well, maybe if they had low self-esteem...
New players learn mostly by watching others doing things. So if they start meeting OOC/IC users, they will think ''well looks like you have to use these brackets in this server, time to get used to it''. They think it's the correct form, and not following it would be incorrect.Very understandable, however, I roughly estimate that 1/10 of new players are confused into thinking that IC/OOC is actually an Argonath rule (later to discover that it actually isn't - these discussions go on a lot in main chat: "IC/OOC is not supported in Argonath").
I will try to give a similar example. If you are guided into using drugs, you will probably like them. If you like them, you will think ''it's cool, oh damn cool!'' But you will most likely damage your relations with your parents etc. OOC/IC is similar. Guy sees people using it, likes it and starts using it too, but ignores the fact he is following rules that aren't Argonath's.
If a new player goes into server and sees everyone in his immediate vicinity using and separating IC/OOC, then they will think that you have to IC/OOC in order to fit into the server ("since all the regulars and older guys are doing it anyways"), leading to them coming up with the concept of "Argonath is an IC/OOC Server". Once they think that, they think the server is about a complicated set of rules and guidelines, thus contradicting The Vision.
As for the analogy between Slavery and IC/OOC... there is another way the analogy can be applied.
The concept of allowing slavery misleads people into thinking that one person has the right to own another, just as IC/OOC usage on Argonath misleads new players into thinking the server is an IC/OOC Server.
Also, for those who are wondering... I am an avid fan of Starbucks Coffee. :lol:I shall proceed this note to the Starbucks e-mail, and describe it as "negative brain effect on people".
Also, for those who are wondering... I am an avid fan of Starbucks Coffee. :lol:Really? To be honest, I've never really had it.
^ Implying you expect all new players to have roleplay knowledge upon initial server entry.
I stick to the community as well... as you have noticed I go against things which seek to infect Argonath by turning it into some generic shadow of its former self if not a SRSRP Server altogether.
If you love Argonath so much and hate the hostility present in all the SRSRP Servers... then tell me. Why in the flying f**k are you standing up for and defending something that comes from them, and threatens to turn Argonath into one of them as well?!
I see the same pattern from others like you... "I love Argonath but I want to turn it like other server it be more awesomer like that". If you truly love this community then you will help preserve it rather than standing up for something that endangers it, my dear "Champion of IC/OOC".
What you have done is worse than just those few n____r jokes... as I mentioned above you support what endangers this community.
Ever noticed that dangerous and revolutionary (in the negative sense) radical political parties use the same pattern? They present something to the populace as a blessing when in fact it will be bad for them.
Do not act as if people senior to me (I speak of experience as well, not just in terms of admin credentials)... the very same people you refuse to contradict, possess similar views.
I respect other players, groups, races, views (with certain exceptions), and et cetera... however I do not have respect for those who try to bring it in here (and especially stand up for and trying to justify it) despite the proven fact that the owners from the start have tried to direct this community away from becoming just another one of the 9,000 generic RP ones out there. Even the chat used for general discussion (known as main chat from MTA:VC times) was named so instead of "OOC Chat"... and that was a very long time ago.
Avoided generalizing... you are wRONg. It is what we all do, consciously or not.
Many people have said that IC/OOC (or elements of) are indications of poor brainpower... Gandalf included. You can even read it in that "Replace gay with IC/OOC" speech, as it refers to IC/OOC users/misusers as a group, so you cannot say it does not generalize.
Many people (including myself, Dave, Giac, etc...) have called IC/OOC as "shit" or "bullshit" in one way or another, and one of them is Aragorn.
In fact, Dave even told IC/OOC users to f**k off (and that was after Aragorn did) and you never criticized him at all for saying a statement previously said by an Owner, despite the fact that Dave possesses very similar views to Aragorn... even more similar than I do to both owners.
I could only see that you did not criticize them for it because they are the owners and you think yourself powerless to do so. If you are not afraid to criticize them for their stance on the subject, then why not stand up for IC/OOC (as you usually do) and do so instead of just talking? (@Correction 2)
Also, if we don't use double parenthesis in real life when talking then why does every damned SRSRP server have it? :rofl:
For that reason it has become part of ZOMGRP gameplay.
I could already imagine you giving me the same favoritism if I was one of the owners / community leaders rather than just another slightly-extremist SA:MP admin. :rofl:
(Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with my post :] )
@Correction 1: IC/OOC breaks these points of the Argonath Vision.
IC/OOC goes against Point 4 of the Argonath Vision by creating a series of complicated rules and an unnecessary standard for RP... it attempts to replace sheer brainpower (if you are not a retard you can find ways to tell if someone is talking about real life or ingame without having to rely on IC/OOC) with a complicated structure of rules and guidelines for RP, which even confuses some new players.
IC/OOC goes against Point 5 as well... as its implementation in the server will only benefit those who are experienced from it, enabling the general population of unexperienced players to be all the more termed as "Noobs" since they can't "RP" (read: use IC/OOC) properly.
Finally, IC/OOC contradicts Point 10, which is one of those that specify in general the goal and orientation of the community. It kills imagination and creativity by being one of the key elements in the other servers' robot-like pseudo-RP play.
Theories, imagination, and paranoia? If you use those terms when referring to a logical and common sense-oriented approach, then you have to be the theoretical and imaginative paranoid, as that isn't me... unless it can be unmistakably proven. :rofl:
The points I have made...
"IC/OOC is a bullshit rule from another server" (proven by Owners)
"It is another replacement for using brainpower in roleplay" (proven by examples and common sense)
"It can turn Argonath into a jungle of rules" (proven by its nature and referred to indirectly by The Vision)
and et cetera... they are proven right.
I have stated many reasons time and time again for my points... yet you say that I don't have any? The question "can you even read?" comes to my mind here, to be honest.
And as for the part where I concluded the connection between you and asslicking... I will refer to an earlier part of this post. Why is it that you don't criticize Dave as well for having similar views (even telling IC/OOCers to f**k off)?
I know about your tendency to be biased against what I post... and don't try to argue it. Notice that you tend to disagree with what I post (specifically: observations) about almost every single time, even if almost all of it is right virtually every single time? :rofl:
Also... you are taking the CBradio for granted.
Successful troll is successful. :rofl:(http://cyn.ical.us/media/blogs/mymedia/prophet_lol_cat.jpg)
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Nothing was concludedFalse. I got to know why IC/OOC is so dearly shunned, regardless of the fact that the reasons were stupid as fuck. Conclusion.