Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Ratko Gavrilovic on April 22, 2012, 05:40:29 pm
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So today I wanted to have a little roleplay and rob a fireman for some of his pocket money.
When he refused, I shot him to death, and I got kicked for Forcing RP and deathmatching.
As far as I know, deathmatching is killing someone without a proper RP reason, and I am pretty sure that I had a reason.
As for the part "forcing RP", I recall one of the owners stating that you may not evade a roleplay, and that you should be roleplaying when someone is interacting with you.
So can someone clear this up? Who is right?
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If the admin punished you because of the reason you stated, he is wrong. It would be forcing roleplay if he give you all the money he had in himself. Unfortunately, vast amount of Argonath RPG have no idea what is forcing roleplay.
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If the admin punished you because of the reason you stated, he is wrong. It would be forcing roleplay if he give you all the money he had in himself. Unfortunately, vast amount of Argonath RPG have no idea what is forcing roleplay.
That's what I thought.
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If robbing is forcing roleplay,is police traffic check also forcing roleplay?
If player failure to comply with robbers and being shot down is DM,is player failure to comply with cops and being shot down is DM?
Oh,what a irony.
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If robbing is forcing roleplay,is police traffic check also forcing roleplay?
If player failure to comply with robbers and being shot down is DM,is player failure to comply with cops and being shot down is DM?
It's even more outrageous what I got told:
[17:28:49] PM to Gregersen_Corleone(13): Oh by the way, returning to a few mins ago
[17:28:59] PM to Gregersen_Corleone(13): So robbing someone is now forcing RP?
[17:29:12] PM from Gregersen_Corleone(13): When the person tells you that he does not wish to roleplay with him
[17:29:18] PM from Gregersen_Corleone(13): He simply informs you he does not want to
[17:29:28] PM from Gregersen_Corleone(13): You should accept that, and let him go, you cant force people into
[17:29:29] PM from Gregersen_Corleone(13): something they dont want to
*[17:29:28] PM to Gregersen_Corleone(13): Oh so if people get armor etc and want to kidnap me
[17:29:30] PM to Gregersen_Corleone(13): cuz i ambushed them earlier
[17:29:34] PM to Gregersen_Corleone(13): i can say i dont wanna rp?
[17:29:45] PM from Gregersen_Corleone(13): Yes - but then you should not even consider RP'ing with anyone else
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Yeah, apparently you're allowed to refuse to roleplay in a roleplay server.
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This needs to be set straight then, because
[17:07:48] PM from Gregersen_Corleone(103): Just discussed with fellow administrators
[17:07:53] PM from Gregersen_Corleone(103): And I am correct.
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I can not wait to see what Gandalf thinks on this issue.
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Yeah, apparently you're allowed to refuse to roleplay in a roleplay server.
RPG, meaning Roleplaying Game; in short you can RP when you want.
Also, to support many of those who do not wish to RP robberies, the reason is mostly cause you run up to them with a combat, they give money, your not happy cause they only gave you $500 so you kill them. This is the case 80% of the time from what I've seen.
In support of robbers; its a good way to make money, and creates a sense of fear of walking around on the streets with almost 1m in hand :)
But, to the point no you can not force someone to RP a robbery. And if they tell you no, and you kill them; thats DM
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RPG, meaning Roleplaying Game; in short you can RP when you want.
I recall one of the owners stating that you may not evade a roleplay, and that you should be roleplaying when someone is interacting with you.
Also, to support many of those who do not wish to RP robberies, the reason is mostly cause you run up to them with a combat, they give money, your not happy cause they only gave you $500 so you kill them. This is the case 80% of the time from what I've seen.
Does one case represent all criminals?
No. Even if he would give me $2, I would get out of there because I don't want to be wanted by the police.
But, to the point no you can not force someone to RP a robbery. And if they tell you no, and you kill them; thats DM
You're wrong, it is only deathmatch if you don't have a reason.
The reason is still valid even though the person getting robbed does not agree, in this case he is evading the RP.
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Oook... So if any cop want pullover me for:
- Speed
- Reckless driving
- Ramming
- Etc
I can refuse because 'i don't want role, no?
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Oook... So if any cop want pullover me for:
- Speed
- Reckless driving
- Ramming
- Etc
I can refuse because 'i don't want role, no?
That's what Gregersen says.
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No tedd we're talking about FORCING ROLEPLAY, it's not about the money at all. You're in your right to punish the players that do what you described. But if people are like "FUCK OFF I DONT WANT TO RP", then that's just low. It's as easy as to give them a small amount of money (as low as 10 to 15 bucks), or put a little effort and actually pretend you don't have cash. There is no excuse to avoid a roleplay situation.
You're wrong, it is only deathmatch if you don't have a reason.
The reason is still valid even though the person getting robbed does not agree, in this case he is evading the RP.
I'm on your side but killing people if they actually cared enough to roleplay with you is something I wouldn't advise. And if they pull out the 'force RP' card, then there wasn't any roleplay to begin with - that technically makes you a rulebreaker.
That's what Gregersen says.
Haha that's true, but let's wait for his response. I've got a feeling he (or any other admin) won't agree.
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f**k OFF I DONT WANT TO RP"
Exactly what happened.
There is no excuse to avoid a roleplay situation.
I'm on your side but killing people if they actually cared enough to roleplay with you is something I wouldn't advise. And if they pull out the 'force RP' card, then there wasn't any roleplay to begin with - that technically makes you a rulebreaker.
I wanted to make a point and show him you can't evade a roleplay situation.
Haha that's true, but let's wait for his response. I've got a feeling he (or any other admin) won't agree.
Let's see.
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Since this is a repeat of the other topics read this http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57123.msg815220#msg815220 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57123.msg815220#msg815220)
This is something which does cause confusion for some but hopefully Gandalf's post(above link) will clear it.
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Thanks for the topic, everything is cleared up now.
There is NO rule that says you can walk out on any situation by telling you do not want to RP. Never was and never will be.
Do not force RP means that it is not allowed to force your idea of what should happen on to others if they choose to follow a different path.
So forcing RP is NOT continuing an RP when someone wants to leave it, the person who wants to leave is breaking the rules.
This only shows that administration was wrong on this topic and that I got punished falsely.
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eheheheheh i loved it xd
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So today I wanted to have a little roleplay and rob a fireman for some of his pocket money.
When he refused, I shot him to death, and I got kicked for Forcing RP and deathmatching.
If a person failure to comply with a person,be it cop or theives.
Cops:Surrender or die.if the person failure to comply,he is valid to be shot down as he was "warned".
Thieve:pay up or die.If the person failure to comply,is he valid to be shot down??? as he was also "warned".
Mind reminding,this is talking at the level of server rules,not criminal law.
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Oook... So if any cop want pullover me for:
- Speed
- Reckless driving
- Ramming
- Etc
I can refuse because 'i don't want role, no?
Waiting moderator+ answer...
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Oook... So if any cop want pullover me for:
- Speed
- Reckless driving
- Ramming
- Etc
I can refuse because 'i don't want role, no?
Absolutely not! How can you deny that!? (the irony)
As Gandalf stated multiple times, it's not allowed to "I don't want to RP".
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Waiting moderator+ answer...
I believe my link clears that up too.
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Yeah, apparently you're allowed to refuse to roleplay in a roleplay server.
lol
Brainstopping is also RPing a hit contract. Since when do we need to contact the victim? The RP hit is no more RP, it should be set by /sethit ID.
I mean, when you receive RP hit, you should contact admins and let them note that you are RP Hitman.
Renz0 PM's Murt: Hi, I have RP hit on Tom_Adams, everything will be roleplayed and I assure you I won't attack anyone else than the victim.
Murt replies: Sure, update me when you are going to perform the RP hit, I will watch over it. (Surely if he isn't the only one admin, but there are few more). If Admins are busy at that moment, let weapons lay and visit bars, strip club, etc.
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But, to the point no you can not force someone to RP a robbery. And if they tell you no, and you kill them; thats DM
Tedd is very right here, no matter how much others moan or cry about it, If someone tells you no, that means just ''NO!'' Not a hard word to understand.
However, Gandalf has said in the past, forcing roleplay doesn't mean you can deny to interact with others.
But there can be situations, Like if you rob a person, He's not in a good mood and tells you no, or only stand there typing, it means no. And if you kill him WITHOUT any interaction, you can be reported for DM.
Also, complains against admins go to [email protected]
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I gave up on this rule a few years ago
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Tedd is very right here, no matter how much others moan or cry about it, If someone tells you no, that means just ''NO!'' Not a hard word to understand.
Wrong, the facts are here and you can't deny them.
But there can be situations, Like if you rob a person, He's not in a good mood and tells you no, or only stand there typing, it means no. And if you kill him WITHOUT any interaction, you can be reported for DM.
If he's in a bad mood he shouldn't be playing at all.
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Wrong, the facts are here and you can't deny them.
Seems like I just did.
If you do something bad, you must always be ready to face the consequences.
What fireman was it btw? A new guy? If yes, Killing a new player, can lead to a permanent ban.
If No, I don't think you went to rob Cruel Corey or Jennie.
If he's in a bad mood he shouldn't be playing at all.
Exactly.
I see you're in a bad mood too right now, Why're you playing and posting on forums?
Take a break, have a kitkat.
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What fireman was it btw? A new guy? If yes, Killing a new player, can lead to a permanent ban.
Stop talking shit lol. So if a new player does a crime, a cop can't kill him?
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Seems like I just did.
If you do something bad, you must always be ready to face the consequences.
What fireman was it btw? A new guy? If yes, Killing a new player, can lead to a permanent ban.
If No, I don't think you went to rob Cruel Corey or Jennie.Exactly.
I see you're in a bad mood too right now, Why're you playing and posting on forums?
Take a break, have a kitkat.
What?
Stop talking shit
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Stop talking shit lol. So if a new player does a crime, a cop can't kill him?
Didn't say in any way at all lol Ofcourse, If you're a cop and you just kill the suspect newbie by keep firing at him even if he's just standing unarmed. You'll get frozen and warned, I have seen that happen.
What?
Proved my point that you're in a bad mood. ;) :lol:
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Didn't say in any way at all lol Ofcourse, If you're a cop and you just kill the suspect newbie by keep firing at him even if he's just standing unarmed. You'll get frozen and warned, I have seen that happen.
Proved my point that you're in a bad mood. ;) :lol:
If you really must know;
Seems like I just did.
If you do something bad, you must always be ready to face the consequences.
What consequences are you talking about? Gandalf has made his voice clear about this rule and ^ that comment is not in any way related.
What fireman was it btw? A new guy? If yes, Killing a new player, can lead to a permanent ban.
No, who said anything about a new guy? It isn't related to this topic.
I see you're in a bad mood too right now, Why're you playing and posting on forums?
Take a break, have a kitkat.
Not related to this topic, at all.
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Didn't say in any way at all lol Ofcourse, If you're a cop and you just kill the suspect newbie by keep firing at him even if he's just standing unarmed. You'll get frozen and warned, I have seen that happen.
You didn't say that
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Didn't say in any way at all lol Ofcourse, If you're a cop and you just kill the suspect newbie by keep firing at him even if he's just standing unarmed. You'll get frozen and warned, I have seen that happen.
Proved my point that you're in a bad mood. ;) :lol:
Of course the player is standing still so while maybe not showing much in terms of compliance there is nothing to warrant outright killing the player with a gun(Regardless of being new or not). Bad practice as an officer if you ask me. If the player is new they may need explaining what they could possibly do.
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No attention should be paid to Matt Murdock and his posts.
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Of course the player is standing still so while maybe not showing much in terms of compliance there is nothing to warrant outright killing the player with a gun(Regardless of being new or not). Bad practice as an officer if you ask me. If the player is new they may need explaining what they could possibly do.
You got what I meant exactly. ;)
No attention should be paid to Matt Murdock and his posts.
Ok, Is it since I unmasked who you are? :lol:
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Why the hell are we even talking about this rule in terms of ROLEPLAY???
You rob a person and kill him if he does not want to give you money or claims to not have any? How simple, how stupid, how creative-less and shit is that! Serious! Is that even called roleplay? Maybe when you roleplay a person that is really sick minded and kills every random guy.
What is wrong with everything is that the REAL roleplay disappeared. Why do you need to kill someone if what you get is not what you want (what you get here is wanted level and bullet loose, what you want is money)? This sentance, yes, "WHAT YOU WANT". There is the forced roleplay. When I rob someone I try to be CREATIVE. Use smart methods, keep it simple and funny. Someone does not want to give me money? I put my silenced gun in his dick and TRY to find the wallet and run away when I only get $5, his jacket or an angry reaction. I don't want to get caught, that would fuck up my whole character!
Point is, killing is done WAY too much. With normal robberies there is no logic in killing, since it gives you NOTHING, which goes straight against what your goal originally was.
Come on guys, where is the roleplay I described? Where is the Argonath roleplay, the base of this whole server?
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I did not read all comments so excuse me if I repeat someone.
But seriously refusing to roleplay on roleplay server? If you do not want to roleplay then do not connect here roleplay server. Also refusing to roleplay some situation what you happen to dislike..is actually forcing others (this case robbers) to play on your way.
Scene of robbery. You go and say to other person that you are robbing him. He refuses to pay up. Do you go and kill him just like that? Nah, if you are smart roleplayer. If you do kill him then you are just showing your own lack of roleplay. You can for example torture this guy first. Tho, in many cases they fight back and you gotta give fatal shot. Then they go whine to admins that you force rp..only because they did not like how it ended.
Everyone should just understand that this is MULTIPLAYER thing going on. You are not playing some story from single player mod where you can make decisions how you game go. There is server full of people who actually have REAL minds. Not scripted ones who always repeats samething. Learn to get along or be mad all the time how things does not go as you wish.
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Yeah, apparently you're allowed to refuse to roleplay in a roleplay server.
This is what sometimes causes a lack of RP, many people only play Argonath to get money and buy big things, not to roleplay.
Remember, if you don't extend your arm before you point your gun at the person your robbing, your a bad roleplayer. *sarcasm* :D
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Good points stated here. My self I disagree that you are free to refuse roleplay because your fingers are too heavy to use keyboard or you sold your creativity to aliens. At same time I disagree that someone have to die because he refused to comply with your will.
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Good point Chris.
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Orders from President:
All cops, criminals and others present on server are obliged to RP.
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Didn't say in any way at all lol Ofcourse, If you're a cop and you just kill the suspect newbie by keep firing at him even if he's just standing unarmed. You'll get frozen and warned, I have seen that happen.
Proved my point that you're in a bad mood. ;) :lol:
You're turning into a up-failed troll.
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This is what sometimes causes a lack of RP, many people only play Argonath to get money and buy big things, not to roleplay.
Remember, if you don't extend your arm before you point your gun at the person your robbing, your a bad roleplayer. *sarcasm* :D
I'm kind of sure, that those who moan about no roleplay, are the ones not roleplaying the most.
How many of you RP with a new person when it comes to drugs? I bet none of you do.
/me looks around.
/me approaches the man standing near the tree.
/me observes.
/l Hey, Whats up?
instead, all the moaning and crying people about no Roleplay go like :
/pm id Sell weed??
/pm id Sell weed??
/pm id Sell weed??
If you're not going to roleplay with the new people, how can you even imagine giving them the idea that this is a roleplay server?
And if you yourself are not doing something right, how can you even blame others?
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I'm kind of sure, that those who moan about no roleplay, are the ones not roleplaying the most.
How many of you RP with a new person when it comes to drugs? I bet none of you do.
/me looks around.
/me approaches the man standing near the tree.
/me observes.
/l Hey, Whats up?
instead, all the moaning and crying people about no Roleplay go like :
/pm id Sell weed??
/pm id Sell weed??
/pm id Sell weed??
If you're not going to roleplay with the new people, how can you even imagine giving them the idea that this is a roleplay server?
And if you yourself are not doing something right, how can you even blame others?
You make me laugh, but what you tried to say is very true.
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I did not bother to read the comments as almost all topics of this sort contain pretty much the same comments anyway.
If you walk up to someone and kill them when they do not pay the money you ask, you sure as fuck are not roleplaying; you are deathmatching for money, which is an entirely different thing from roleplaying.
Guy does not want you to pay up? Why don't you blackmail him (RP-wise) or make him suffer in one way or another?
Guy really does not want to RP a robbery? Why not use your imagination to turn the RP into something else then? An example would be making him the target of an RP mafia harassment if you play a mafioso.
Many of these problems can be solved through improvising. Improvising requires imagination, and the problem is that people have become far too generic in their styles instead of using their imagination, meaning they lose the ability to improvise.
Initiate, Imagine, and Improvise. Three abilities every creative roleplayer must have; no RP is going to happen if someone does not start it.
Conclusion? Get off your ass, stop complaining, and start roleplaying. You will be surprised at what you can find.
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Yeah, apparently you're allowed to refuse to roleplay in a roleplay server.
When you join server:
1. This is a role play server. Please stay within decent realms of role play.
Post Merge: April 23, 2012, 04:48:46 pm
I did not bother to read the comments as almost all topics of this sort contain pretty much the same comments anyway.
Great generalizing and analysis of each persons views and opinions - was it even really needed to say that other than to cover your own backside if someone responded to your post? But yea there is always general thoughts.
If you walk up to someone and kill them when they do not pay the money you ask, you sure as f**k are not roleplaying; you are deathmatching for money, which is an entirely different thing from roleplaying.
Let's put that to a vote :O.
With cops - Surrender now! Guy doesn't surrender - look you did /s2, /s3 - now you can kill him, when it's pretty much the same sense of 'role play' someone try's to rob someone - he refuses to pay up - struggle, man shot dead.
Guy does not want you to pay up? Why don't you blackmail him (RP-wise) or make him suffer in one way or another?
Making him suffer would be torture and then death, I may be robbing for food in my tummy and don't want to waste energy on torture so I tell him straight, give me money or you die.
Guy really does not want to RP a robbery? Why not use your imagination to turn the RP into something else then? An example would be making him the target of an RP mafia harassment if you play a mafioso.
When I get robbed I do /me has heart attack, robber sympathizes.
Many of these problems can be solved through improvising. Improvising requires imagination, and the problem is that people have become far too generic in their styles instead of using their imagination, meaning they lose the ability to improvise.
As generic as what you mentioned at the beginning of this post?
People are not generic they just say "NO" to someone who wants to rob them and doesn't look so tough.
If someone came up to me, boney old bugger with a gun and he looked weak and said "give me your money" I would be like what? You're 1 boney old man get out of my face. Next second due to my ignorance I was shot dead.
Now if for example a Mafia comes up to you like yesterday in Bay-side and surrounds you slowly, you either give in or you run for your sweet life of course I set my bizzfee to $2000 and fled to my bizz, they still came and shot me dead before help could come.
Initiate, Imagine, and Improvise. Three abilities every creative roleplayer must have; no RP is going to happen if someone does not start it.
Yes but the server has much of this, for example - FIRE MISSIONS. I will say no more on that controversial subject.
Conclusion? Get off your ass, stop complaining, and start roleplaying. You will be surprised at what you can find.
That's a complaint in itself and people are not lazy and do not shy away from roleplay on purpose, they are just misguided and confused!!
Post Merge: April 23, 2012, 04:51:32 pm
This is what sometimes causes a lack of RP, many people only play Argonath to get money and buy big things, not to roleplay.
Remember, if you don't extend your arm before you point your gun at the person your robbing, your a bad roleplayer. *sarcasm* :D
Role Play.
Let's analyses it.
*Sticks finger up the words BEEEEEEEEEEP*.
Choose a role and play it.
It is human nature to want more of good stuff, if not then you are just lazy.
Most peoples natural roles are businessmen - gold hunters, aspiring millionaires.
Post Merge: April 23, 2012, 04:55:48 pm
At same time I disagree that someone have to die because he refused to comply with your will.
That's life, human nature!
Don't agree? We're not having that.
That's how we got stuff like Hitler and Bush and Al Qaeda, fucked up yea but it happens.
It also happens with science especially - Greek man: the fack? No man our eyes shine light outward and that's how we see! Greek man 2: no... light comes in to our eyes and we see.
People are naturally defiant if they don't see much of a threat.
But like stated above, if mafia comes then you shit yo pants or you act real tough depending on how much candy you had.
Post Merge: April 23, 2012, 04:57:54 pm
But seriously refusing to roleplay on roleplay server? If you do not want to roleplay then do not connect here roleplay server. Also refusing to roleplay some situation what you happen to dislike..is actually forcing others (this case robbers) to play on your way.
Good show lad.
But yes decent realms of roleplay is welcome, any amount of bullying or harassment is just plain suck man.
Post Merge: April 23, 2012, 04:59:32 pm
No attention should be paid to Matt Murdock and his posts.
This is a public forum, don't want to read someones posts don't.
Wait read this thread: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=83057.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=83057.0)
Post Merge: April 23, 2012, 05:07:57 pm
Post Disclaimer:
You should not take any of what I just said as true or something you should follow.
I accept no liability, read for your own entertainment.
Good day.
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Great generalizing and analysis of each persons views and opinions - was it even really needed to say that other than to cover your own backside if someone responded to your post? But yea there is always general thoughts.
I hardly go through such topics anymore because of posts like yours, which have no other apparent purpose than criticizing the posts and complaining about the current state of the server while doing little (or nothing) to change it while hiding your justification for the situation's shortcomings behind what appears to be defensive agenda, instead of conveying a meaningful message.
An example is your implied complaint about fire missions and roleplay, apparently you are not doing anything to solve that situation other than complaining.
And before you ask, I do lead by example and do what I post.
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If you walk up to someone and kill them when they do not pay the money you ask, you sure as f**k are not roleplaying; you are deathmatching for money, which is an entirely different thing from roleplaying.
You are very wrong here, I am not deathmatching for money.
If you would even bother to read the posts in this topic you would notice that I said that even $2 would be enough.
So this shows that I was not robbing him purely for money, I was trying to stimulate a roleplay.
Also there is no such term as "Deathmatching for money." Deathmatching is deathmatching, period. The definition of deathmatching is killing somebody without a proper roleplay reason. If it really was about money, let it be, it was properly roleplayed and therefor not deathmatching.
Guy does not want you to pay up? Why don't you blackmail him (RP-wise) or make him suffer in one way or another?
You can only blackmail if you have anything to use against him, also I don't think that he is in the mood to roleplay a blackmailing looking at "/em fuck off i don't want to RP."
Guy really does not want to RP a robbery? Why not use your imagination to turn the RP into something else then? An example would be making him the target of an RP mafia harassment if you play a mafioso.
I would, but that's hard as hell when you get wrongly kicked by administration for something they don't even investigate.
Many of these problems can be solved through improvising. Improvising requires imagination, and the problem is that people have become far too generic in their styles instead of using their imagination, meaning they lose the ability to improvise.
Read above.
Initiate, Imagine, and Improvise. Three abilities every creative roleplayer must have; no RP is going to happen if someone does not start it.
Conclusion? Get off your ass, stop complaining, and start roleplaying. You will be surprised at what you can find.
I fail to see how a robbery is not a roleplay.
Any interaction between 2 players is roleplaying.
Also this basically sums it all up:
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You are very wrong here, I am not deathmatching for money.
If you would even bother to read the posts in this topic you would notice that I said that even $2 would be enough.
So this shows that I was not robbing him purely for money, I was trying to stimulate a roleplay.
Also there is no such term as "Deathmatching for money." Deathmatching is deathmatching, period. The definition of deathmatching is killing somebody without a proper roleplay reason. If it really was about money, let it be, it was properly roleplayed and therefor not deathmatching.
You kill them because they don't give you $2?
Nice.
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How I always understood it:
/pulls out a combat on fireman
/s gimme ur money fool
fireman: i do not wish to roleplay, sorry
/kills him
thats forcing to rp
/pulls out combat on fireman
/s gimme ur money fool
fireman: fuck off im not giving u anything
/drops his hp, still doesnt give you shit, you kill him
not a rulebreak
/pulls out a combat on fireman
/s gimme ur money fool
fireman runs away
/kills him
not rulebreak
/pulls out a combat on fireman
/s gimme ur money fool
fireman gives you 50$
/you kill him since you say it isnt enough
realise you're a lamer and its cause of people like you people dont tend to roleplay whilst getting robbed
'cant force to rp' can bite you in the ass many times, ESPECIALLY when gang wars are provoked - a smaller gang fucks with another, yet while it comes to war they're like 'lol dm u cant force us to rp', or when you kidnap someone and its all fine until you want his cash 'lol u cant force me to rp', or when a cop pulls you over (not since you broke any laws, regular 'pull-over inspection' lol) and if you say you dont want to rp you get sused for evading...
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You kill them because they don't give you $2?
Nice.
Not sure if trying to troll or just unintelligent.
fireman: i do not wish to roleplay, sorry
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Seems like many of you really have misunderstood the point with what's forced role-play and what's not.
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Not sure if trying to troll or just unintelligent.
Neither.
Give me a perfectly good reason why you shot that person to death because he refused to give you money? Doing that will have cops on you for murder charges and you lose money that way if caught or killed, unless you manage to escape. That's just a waste of time if you're 'roleplaying' a hobo for money.
Any more comments?
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Give me a perfectly good reason why you shot that person to death because he refused to give you money?
In the roleplay where the attacker demands money, there are certain scripts.
Person getting robbed hands money over, and that's the robbery that was roleplayed.
Person getting robbed refuses to hand the money over? He gets killed for not following orders.
What do you expect him to say? "Oh alright, have a nice day."?
It is the same script as when a criminal is asked to surrender, if he refuses he gets shot to death.
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Neither.
Give me a perfectly good reason why you shot that person to death because he refused to give you money? Doing that will have cops on you for murder charges and you lose money that way if caught or killed, unless you manage to escape. That's just a waste of time if you're 'roleplaying' a hobo for money.
Any more comments?
Yes but an off topic one :D
No one knows how to roleplay like a hobo except for those who played as Alfred Charles. Alfred didn't need a bun to earn himself some money.
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In the roleplay where the attacker demands money, there are certain scripts.
Person getting robbed hands money over, and that's the robbery that was roleplayed.
Person getting robbed refuses to hand the money over? He gets killed for not following orders.
What do you expect him to say? "Oh alright, have a nice day."?
It is the same script as when a criminal is asked to surrender, if he refuses he gets shot to death.
So, judging from your style of roleplay.. if I were to go around as a hobo, I should kill each person that refuses to give $2? (Hey, that's your example), because it's the same sense of 'script' that cop demands criminals to surrender or he be killed?
What the f**k happened to common sense? A decent roleplayer knows and plan it that if he were to make money as a hobo, he would go ask around and kindly ask for money to support their 32 kids, a crippled blind dog, and an alligator, and to pay off his debt for blowing all of his life savings on a person who claims skampoos are the world's greatest item that gives you level ups. If the person says no, move on and find another and repeat with a different story like your pet rock got ran over by a car and you need money for hospital bills.
Killing people is just asking for attention, whether it be admins or an army of donuts hungry cops.
Let me sum this up in a most simple format that many will understand.
1. Wear shitty clothes
2. Kindly ask for some money over some bs story
3. If refused, move on
4. ????
5. Profit!
If this doesn't get the message across, well shit I'd better sell my soul to Sauron and wear my birthday suit with a sign, and start preaching that the end is nigh.
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So you're saying a mafioso is a tramp begging for money?
Do you understand the term "robbery"?
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So you're saying a mafioso is a tramp begging for money?
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Anyway a mafioso wouldn't go robbing people of small change on open streets. They would go for the big money makers and do so with many other mafioso's as back up.
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Among all the posts here, this is the one making the most sense :
How I always understood it:
/pulls out a combat on fireman
/s gimme ur money fool
fireman: i do not wish to roleplay, sorry
/kills him
thats forcing to rp
/pulls out combat on fireman
/s gimme ur money fool
fireman: f**k off im not giving u anything
/drops his hp, still doesnt give you shit, you kill him
not a rulebreak
/pulls out a combat on fireman
/s gimme ur money fool
fireman runs away
/kills him
not rulebreak
/pulls out a combat on fireman
/s gimme ur money fool
fireman gives you 50$
/you kill him since you say it isnt enough
realise you're a lamer and its cause of people like you people dont tend to roleplay whilst getting robbed
'cant force to rp' can bite you in the ass many times, ESPECIALLY when gang wars are provoked - a smaller gang f**ks with another, yet while it comes to war they're like 'lol dm u cant force us to rp', or when you kidnap someone and its all fine until you want his cash 'lol u cant force me to rp', or when a cop pulls you over (not since you broke any laws, regular 'pull-over inspection' lol) and if you say you dont want to rp you get sused for evading...
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If you would even bother to read the posts in this topic you would notice that I said that even $2 would be enough.
No matter how much you try to rationalize it, common sense still dictates that killing someone because they did not give you $2 is outright ridiculous. If you go to the USA and point knives at people while threatening to kill them because they did not give you $2, try and count the amount of people who will just laugh.
Also there is no such term as "Deathmatching for money." Deathmatching is deathmatching, period. The definition of deathmatching is killing somebody without a proper roleplay reason. If it really was about money, let it be, it was properly roleplayed and therefor not deathmatching.
Deathmatching is still deathmatching, even though there can be a million reasons for it. Money is just one of them.
You can only blackmail if you have anything to use against him, also I don't think that he is in the mood to roleplay a blackmailing
This is where improvising comes in. If you actually had that ability, you would be able to change a failed robbery roleplay into a successful different type of roleplay. If you still do not understand this statement, then I can just assume you do not have it.
I would, but that's hard as hell when you get wrongly kicked by administration for something they don't even investigate.
You are in no position to decide how we work, or to b*tch about our work simply we do not attend to reports that are made because of the smallest fart on the server. If 3 people are getting abused and deathmatched by rogue cops at once while 2 hackers are flying around the server like characters from a Marvel comic strip, then expect us to prioritize those cases over a report made because someone farted or did not want to RP with you.
Much of our time is spent investigating, and the team certainly deserves more thanks than useless complaints made by thankless rogues such as you (especially Managers and above who spend hours on log checks because someone moaned about getting flamed or scammed), simply because we do not take the time out to change your diapers.
If you want attention from someone who will never leave your side, buy a dog.
Any interaction between 2 players is roleplaying.
Alright. So I join the server, see a random guy, and scream at him "Hey you! Fuck your mom!"... by your logic, I am roleplaying with him.
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If you go to the USA and point knives at people while threatening to kill them because they did not give you $2, try and count the amount of people who will just laugh
and then get stabbed and die bleeding in the street.
Deathmatching is still deathmatching, even though there can be a million reasons for it.
Deathmatching is killing without a reason, so this statement is inherently untrue.
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Deathmatching is still deathmatching, even though there can be a million reasons for it.
Deathmatching is killing without a reason, so this statement is inherently untrue.
I know you cannot deathmatch without a reason, but JDC is correct about having millions of reasons for it because they come up with bullshit excuses like "I'm bored" or "It's that time of the month, ignore me."
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Seems like many of you really have misunderstood the point with what's forced role-play and what's not.
Icompletelyagreewiththatstatement.
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"It's that time of the month, ignore me."
I especially love hearing this from male players. :cool:
Panda's statement is correct, defining deathmatching as attacking without any reason. However, it is still the grounds for punishment when you attack someone outside of any rules as well, regardless of your reason / motivation. :)
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People should have the common sense to know whats deathmatching and whats not, if there isnt a topic already maybe Argonaths leaders should make one up for these confused people.
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People should have the common sense to know whats deathmatching and whats not, if there isnt a topic already maybe Argonaths leaders should make one up for these confused people.
Difference of oponions is one thing what seperate us from monkeys :idea:
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Difference of oponions is one thing what seperate us from monkeys :idea:
What about gorillas?
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What about gorillas?
Well gorillas are very different and strong. Unlike some of people. For example defenceless victims of robberies.
Also Gorillas are kinda cool. Just look at this neat one over here
(http://laimeasilli.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/gorilla-middle-finger.jpg?w=450)
And not meant to be offensive. I just find it funny pic.
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Didn't know gorillas had finger nails. :razz:
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Now here's the thing. I have been in this situation quite a lot when I am in-game on the side of the guy who refuses to role play. Mostly because I find the robbery roleplay premise repulsive and unimaginative. Yes I can't refuse to interact with a person, so I do say something along the lines "guys, I really don't want to roleplay with you right now" that's interacting. Also role play means the participation of at least 2 players. When I say that I do not want to role play it means I am not in the roleplay situation and I consider it as a deathmatch if you kill me.
"Well why are you in a RPG server if you are not role playing?" I am in Argonath, that's why! I may have other activities beside role playing. Mostly when I am online I am talking to a lot of people whether it be about politics, history, religion, video games or just telling and making jokes. Also I might be teaching new players. There is no actual rule that states "As long as you are in the server you have to role play" All the admins do not do it as they have other things on their hands, so can players.
"Then we don't have to roleplay with cops either, when they pull us over!" - True on one condition! If you don't break any traffic rules! Cops can't pull you over if you drive carefully and under the speed limit, but you are mostly kidding yourself when you think you aren't going over 80mph.
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Now here's the thing. I have been in this situation quite a lot when I am in-game on the side of the guy who refuses to role play. Mostly because I find the robbery roleplay premise repulsive and unimaginative. Yes I can't refuse to interact with a person, so I do say something along the lines "guys, I really don't want to roleplay with you right now" that's interacting. Also role play means the participation of at least 2 players. When I say that I do not want to role play it means I am not in the roleplay situation and I consider it as a deathmatch if you kill me.
"Well why are you in a RPG server if you are not role playing?" I am in Argonath, that's why! I may have other activities beside role playing. Mostly when I am online I am talking to a lot of people whether it be about politics, history, religion, video games or just telling and making jokes. Also I might be teaching new players. There is no actual rule that states "As long as you are in the server you have to role play" All the admins do not do it as they have other things on their hands, so can players.
"Then we don't have to roleplay with cops either, when they pull us over!" - True on one condition! If you don't break any traffic rules! Cops can't pull you over if you drive carefully and under the speed limit, but you are mostly kidding yourself when you think you aren't going over 80mph.
I agree with you that Argonath is more than just roleplaying, but like Gandalf said, if you choose to play in the server you are obliged to roleplay when someone interacts with you.
No matter how much you try to rationalize it, common sense still dictates that killing someone because they did not give you $2 is outright ridiculous. If you go to the USA and point knives at people while threatening to kill them because they did not give you $2, try and count the amount of people who will just laugh.
With $2, I meant to say that I did not request any outrageous amount, I just wanted the player to participate in the roleplay, which he can not refuse.
This is where improvising comes in. If you actually had that ability, you would be able to change a failed robbery roleplay into a successful different type of roleplay.
Like?
You are in no position to decide how we work, or to b*tch about our work simply we do not attend to reports that are made because of the smallest fart on the server. If 3 people are getting abused and deathmatched by rogue cops at once while 2 hackers are flying around the server like characters from a Marvel comic strip, then expect us to prioritize those cases over a report made because someone farted or did not want to RP with you.
I did not b*tch about your work, I pointed out that administration made a mistake and falsely kicked me.
You are extremely stubborn if you deny this fact.
Also set your facts straight, I was not the one reporting anyone.
Much of our time is spent investigating, and the team certainly deserves more thanks than useless complaints made by thankless rogues such as you (especially Managers and above who spend hours on log checks because someone moaned about getting flamed or scammed), simply because we do not take the time out to change your diapers.
Come on big boy, what you just stated is not in any way connected to me since I did not report anyone and noany logs had to be checked. Also I don't see why you're saying bullshit like the bolded out parts, no need to drop your balls all over this topic.
You are changing this in an immature argument.
Alright. So I join the server, see a random guy, and scream at him "Hey you! f**k your mom!"... by your logic, I am roleplaying with him.
If you're playing a mental person, yes.
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You kill them because they don't give you $2?
Nice.
This.
In my opinion, death-matching is shooting without RP, not without reason.
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This.
In my opinion, death-matching is shooting without RP, not without reason.
Without RP, thus without making sure the opponent knows the reason. And the reason should be valid.
Shooting a hobo to dead because he does not own any money is not really a reason in my eyes...
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Without RP, thus without making sure the opponent knows the reason. And the reason should be valid.
Shooting a hobo to dead because he does not own any money is not really a reason in my eyes...
How is the robber suppose to know you don't have any money?
Killing someone for refusing to give you money in a robbery is NOT DM, the reason the victim died is as clear as the sky is blue. The victim died because he failed to comply - VALD Reason to kill someone, How do I know? Cops use it all the time
@Jubin use skpe, ts, msn etc. for that then since you don't want to rp but chat
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@Jubin use skpe, ts, msn etc. for that then since you don't want to rp but chat
Not all players have skype, TS, MSN etc. Also what is the downside of me not role playing with everyone in sight? I mean I do not stop anyone else from playing.
I agree with you that Argonath is more than just roleplaying, but like Gandalf said, if you choose to play in the server you are obliged to roleplay when someone interacts with you.
Yes, Gandalf said I am obliged to role play, but I am not obliged to role play 100% of the time.
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You kill them because they don't give you $2?
Nice.
Technically speaking,the reason for the kill is "Failure to comply.Not the issue about "Amount of money".
You may say the robber are crazy and do not follow human common sense but he do not rule-break in all sense
He is not rulebreaking-he do have a reason simply "failure to comply after several warning".
Is killing a person who don't want to be killed mean deathmatching?What is Dming?
You think that failure to pay$2 and die is ridulous,I think that failure to comply with cop and being kill is riduculous too.
It's about your point of value.
The author action is lack of mercy is harsh and not recommended but meantime,he doesn't break any rules.
Also,I have flip through pages and one elite rp-er recommend author to do a roleplay blackmail...sorry..what blackmailer do when the victim failure to comply? lol release him?Common sense please
Post Merge: April 25, 2012, 08:03:47 pm
Without RP, thus without making sure the opponent knows the reason. And the reason should be valid.
Shooting a hobo to dead because he does not own any money is not really a reason in my eyes...
So is shooting a person because I am a police and see a hobo pissing in the public is a real reason in your eyes?
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I don't want to start the cop vs criminal war again, but it's funny how you guys keep being on the 'killing for not complying being bad' topic, yet cops tend to suspect people for trespassing and killing them rather quickly if they don't comply, even if they're unarmed...
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So, judging from your style of roleplay.. if I were to go around as a hobo, I should kill each person that refuses to give $2? (Hey, that's your example), because it's the same sense of 'script' that cop demands criminals to surrender or he be killed?
If it is through a roleplay,that is not a problem and do not rule break at all but well not a "reality" roleplay but wait argonath do not punish people for roleplay that are not so reality..right?
What the f**k happened to common sense? A decent roleplayer knows and plan it that if he were to make money as a hobo, he would go ask around and kindly ask for money to support their 32 kids, a crippled blind dog, and an alligator, and to pay off his debt for blowing all of his life savings on a person who claims skampoos are the world's greatest item that gives you level ups. If the person says no, move on and find another and repeat with a different story like your pet rock got ran over by a car and you need money for hospital bills.
Again,argonath do have new players who are not decent roleplayer and still learning to roleplay.
There're fraud/fault in the roleplay-sometimes not following common sense...but as long as you do not rule-breaking...I can still do my own roleplay,regardless of you like it or not.
BTW,nice example you illustrate out there.
Killing people is just asking for attention, whether it be admins or an army of donuts hungry cops.
I kill lots of people at my playtime,but never be warned for cophunter....u hv problem about me?
Let me sum this up in a most simple format that many will understand.
1. Wear shitty clothes
2. Kindly ask for some money over some bs story
3. If refused, move on
4. ????
5. Profit!
1. Wear blue clothes
2. Kindly ask for some surrender
3. If refused, move on
4. ????
5. Profit!
If this doesn't get the message across, well shit I'd better sell my soul to Sauron and wear my birthday suit with a sign, and start preaching that the end is nigh.
Hope you can do it in a unbiased manner.
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Technically speaking,the reason for the kill is "Failure to comply.Not the issue about "Amount of money".
You may say the robber are crazy and do not follow human common sense but he do not rule-break in all sense
He is not rulebreaking-he do have a reason simply "failure to comply after several warning".
Is killing a person who don't want to be killed mean deathmatching?What is Dming?
Killing a person who is not part of the roleplay is deathmatching and that's exactly what the original scenario had. When you want to rob me (offering a roleplay scenario) and I decline then simply killing me would be deathmatching.
You think that failure to pay$2 and die is ridulous,I think that failure to comply with cop and being kill is riduculous too.
It's about your point of value.
The author action is lack of mercy is harsh and not recommended but meantime,he doesn't break any rules.
So keeping my earlier train of thought in mind, yes, he is breaking the rules.
Post Merge: April 25, 2012, 08:03:47 pm
So is shooting a person because I am a police and see a hobo pissing in the public is a real reason in your eyes?
Pissing in public is a crime of which you can get suspected and failing to comply as a suspect can get you shot.
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Huge Big Conversation!!!.. :mad: :lol: :rofl:
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Huge Big Conversation!!!.. :mad: :lol: :rofl:
True :l.
And Forcing RP is rulebreaking
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I hardly go through such topics anymore because of posts like yours, which have no other apparent purpose than criticizing the posts and complaining about the current state of the server while doing little (or nothing) to change it while hiding your justification for the situation's shortcomings behind what appears to be defensive agenda, instead of conveying a meaningful message.
An example is your implied complaint about fire missions and roleplay, apparently you are not doing anything to solve that situation other than complaining.
And before you ask, I do lead by example and do what I post.
Sorry to see that you have misunderstood the point of my critical analysis, you may have your reasons, however realize I was against your statements so it is pretty obvious I will put your flaws and persuasive elements into my response so others can realize my belief in the matter - not that you make errors but that I don't believe it to be true.
I'd just like to remind everyone of this years UK National Holocaust Memorial Day main point "Speak up, Speak Out" - and this message works in many scenarios..., not calling you a Nazi but this is a public forum, if you want to be so fundamentalist I can't physically stop you, but any sort of propaganda I come across (of which I don't agree with :D) and it's in a general discussion thread / post I will surely look to give my opinions and views on it.
If you lead by example, why have you not suggested a way in which I can deal with the fire mission issue (as an ordinary player) to help resolve the concern. For a community where you come to have pretty much mostly an overdose of Vitamin FUN you really don't want to see people ruining it and not respecting others so you will try to voice your opinions, concerns if that's complaining so be it, but do you see me saying it 24/7 in server - out of role play or irrelevant to conversations, by that theory each (/)report is a complaint - is it not?
If you don't want to continue this conversation ok.
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Killing a person who is not part of the roleplay is deathmatching and that's exactly what the original scenario had. When you want to rob me (offering a roleplay scenario) and I decline then simply killing me would be deathmatching.So keeping my earlier train of thought in mind, yes, he is breaking the rules.
Ok.roleplay involvement.
However,when it come to a civilian who do not want to roleplay with "Cops"
they're seen as badass which they cannot "escape" even you're 1000times reluctant...
Are we meant to obliged to roleplay with cops but can refuse to roleplay with "robbers" or even citizen..are there double standard in the server?
Pissing in public is a crime of which you can get suspected and failing to comply as a suspect can get you shot.
Yes...but the crime of itself should not be death penalty.
The amount $2 is not a big issue,but failure to "follow" the thieves order after being "warned" :"paid or died", he can shot u.
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I know theres the 'no forcing RP' rule but IMO it's bullshit, many people play the server and do not roleplay, why play a roleplay based server if you do not wish to roleplay? :poke:
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I feel i should clear it up again.
'No forcing RP' doesn't mean you can't force people to roleplay. What it does mean is you cannot force your methods or how the roleplay should go on others.... http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57123.msg815220#msg815220 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57123.msg815220#msg815220)
Thus i have now led us back onto the topic instead of shit about cops and crooks.
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I feel i should clear it up again.
'No forcing RP' doesn't mean you can't force people to roleplay. What it does mean is you cannot force your methods or how the roleplay should go on others.... http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57123.msg815220#msg815220 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57123.msg815220#msg815220)
Thus i have now led us back onto the topic instead of shit about cops and crooks.
This. Forcing RP is a way of "powergaming" how some like to call it.
You can not refuse to roleplay, you can start a roleplay, there is no such thing as "robbing when player doesn't want to RP is rulebreak."
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Ok.roleplay involvement.
However,when it come to a civilian who do not want to roleplay with "Cops"
they're seen as badass which they cannot "escape" even you're 1000times reluctant...
Are we meant to obliged to roleplay with cops but can refuse to roleplay with "robbers" or even citizen..are there double standard in the server?Yes...but the crime of itself should not be death penalty.
The amount $2 is not a big issue,but failure to "follow" the thieves order after being "warned" :"paid or died", he can shot u.
You can also refuse to roleplay with cops as long as you don't break any rules when it comes to public decency (urinating in public) or traffic violations or anything else that can get you suspected in the server for that matter.
Also Chaska the reason "pay or die" is as good as "Look to the right or I kill you", "I am mentally disturbed by your skin, leave now or I kill you" "You have a green car, I don't like it, I kill you now if you don't leave".
This is not about the players definition of "forced roleplay" its argument about if you can involve other players in your freaking roleplay by unilateral decision! I say no.
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You can also refuse to roleplay with cops as long as you don't break any rules when it comes to public decency (urinating in public) or traffic violations or anything else that can get you suspected in the server for that matter.
Incorrect,lots of time,there're a "traffic check" that all citizen's car that passing has to be involved...if you do not stop and reffuse to have a roleplay a car check....you can be suspected for "trepassing" or refusing orders.
Not to mention a cop pull you over and ask you "do you see "criminal name" driving pass..if you do not stop..will get you a suspection.
Both are the case that we cannot escape from roleplay even we're "clean cictizen".
Also Chaska the reason "pay or die" is as good as "Look to the right or I kill you", "I am mentally disturbed by your skin, leave now or I kill you" "You have a green car, I don't like it, I kill you now if you don't leave".
Please,common sense...what a robber do when you refuse to pay him when you're surrounded in a dark corner by 3 robbers?
Says:" ok sir...sorry about disturbing you..you can go now?"
If you get only few punches,you have to thanks god.
Dead can be foreseen also if you trigger or make robbers disappointed,just go around and search yahoo news,see how many people are killed in the street by robbers please.
So,your "I hate green car and I kill every driver who drive green car" are not comparable to the example authors illustration and
distortion concept.
This is not about the players definition of "forced roleplay" its argument about if you can involve other players in your freaking roleplay by unilateral decision! I say no.
However,rules is rules.
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Incorrect,lots of time,there're a "traffic check" that all citizen's car that passing has to be involved...if you do not stop and reffuse to have a roleplay a car check....you can be suspected for "trepassing" or refusing orders.
Not to mention a cop pull you over and ask you "do you see "criminal name" driving pass..if you do not stop..will get you a suspection.
Both are the case that we cannot escape from roleplay even we're "clean cictizen"
First situation is valid police work and if you do ignore these it is as good as ignoring regular traffic rules want to avoid it? Take a different path.second one is not valid and can be taken to an admin/court etc. Just because you're part of NBA, Corleone, Ancelotti, Araatus, Gvardia etc is not valid point to pull anyone over.
Please,common sense...what a robber do when you refuse to pay him when you're surrounded in a dark corner by 3 robbers?
Says:" ok sir...sorry about disturbing you..you can go now?"
If you get only few punches,you have to thanks god.
Dead can be foreseen also if you trigger or make robbers disappointed,just go around and search yahoo news,see how many people are killed in the street by robbers please.
So,your "I hate green car and I kill every driver who drive green car" are not comparable to the example authors illustration and
distortion concept.
However,rules is rules.
That would be the case if we are both in the roleplaying situation but we are not. Quite frankly if anyone wants to roleplay robberies that way I'd reccomend SinglePlayer mode there you can come up any roleplay scenario you want and everyone is involved no questions asked but when it comes to multiplayer people have a choice whether to take part of your scenario or not.
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1. Wear blue clothes
2. Kindly ask for some surrender
3. If refused, move on
4. ????
5. Profit!
No. The person you're asking to surrender is a suspect, that means he's already role-playing and cannot just back out. So yes, your example is invalid. (read previous pages too)
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No. The person you're asking to surrender is a suspect, that means he's already role-playing and cannot just back out. So yes, your example is invalid. (read previous pages too)
They engaged in RP with the law enforcement the moment they decided to commit a crime, so anything cops do to suspects cannot be called as "forcing RP" anymore.
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So is shooting a person because I am a police and see a hobo pissing in the public is a real reason in your eyes?
Don't try to twist the subject here. Your reply got nothing to do with the argument I gave. However, what you are saying, that shouldn't happen either.
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Just because you're part of NBA, Corleone, Ancelotti, Araatus, Gvardia etc is not valid point to pull anyone over.
You don't have to be them,just a citizen which have no group will also,a random cop pull u over of nowhere,ask for car-check ,refuse
=>suspect=>was reluctantly involved in roleplay.
when it comes to multiplayer people have a choice whether to take part of your scenario or not.
can I no take part in police-roadblock check scenario?
BTW,can I report a player who refuse to roleplay?
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The first person to continue the BS about cops vs criminals will enjoy a nice ban. Clear ?
Clarification of the 'do not force RP' rule:
There is NO rule that says you can walk out on any situation by telling you do not want to RP. Never was and never will be.
Do not force RP means that it is not allowed to force your idea of what should happen on to others if they choose to follow a different path.
For instance : Cops bring a suspect to the PD.
Suspect ask to be jailed, but cops insist on a long investigation RP first. They are NOT allowed to force the suspect in to this investigation if he just wants to be jailed.
Happening 1: Admins are required to answer reports and investigate situations. This means that any kidnap, which usually is a long RP, will disturb the ability of the admin to answer on reports, help players with questions and/or spectate situations. If you like to RP in the way of a soap series (40 episodes with constant interruption where everyone is picking up their noses) fine... find an admin who will play, but do not get pissed off if they will constantly not respond to RP, teleport out and back and are busy with anything but the RP.
Happening 2: Unless the cops had no valid reason to pull you over or stop you (and seeing a car full of Gvardia is NOT a valid reason) there is no reason not to RP with them. The general style of Gvardia of trying to be badasses whenever they meet a cop invites cops to treat them with strict and hard answers. That is not the fault of the cops.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57123.msg815220#msg815220 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57123.msg815220#msg815220)
Problem Solved
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You don't have to be them,just a citizen which have no group will also,a random cop pull u over of nowhere,ask for car-check ,refuse
=>suspect=>was reluctantly involved in roleplay.
Cop abused his powers.
can I no take part in police-roadblock check scenario?
BTW,can I report a player who refuse to roleplay?
Yes you can, by going around the roadblock other than that if you join the queue to get passed from that point - you have agreed to roleplay!
Second question - will you report an AFK guy who won't respond to you for not roleplaying with you?
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http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57123.msg815220#msg815220 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57123.msg815220#msg815220)
Problem Solved
You don't want to know how many times this was quoted and seemingly ignored...
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Cop abused his powers.Yes you can, by going around the roadblock other than that if you join the queue to get passed from that point - you have agreed to roleplay!
In other word,I am "forced" to find another route so as to "escape from the roleplay".
Second question - will you report an AFK guy who won't respond to you for not roleplaying with you?
Since a cop can suspect u even you're afk and will be kicked as "AFK as suspect",I think I can report him if he refuse to talk to me even I'm citizen?
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In other word,I am "forced" to find another route so as to "escape from the roleplay".
The same way as you are "forced" to slow down or not to kill, if you do not want to be suspected.
Since a cop can suspect u even you're afk and will be kicked as "AFK as suspect",I think I can report him if he refuse to talk to me even I'm citizen?
I say no you can't report someone for him not just talking to you.
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Hmm.
If someone came up to me pistol whipped me around the head and said give me your money and I did /me dies of massive head trauma and did /kill?
I have chosen my method, he must live with it (or suicide if epic guilty but not as suspect).
Personally if I can find the unprovoked situations where I may die in a roleplay fashion - damn it to Freecop falling pit of doom - I will take that bloody damn situation and die in a roleplay fashion, however would others doing this or would this in itself be Roleplay Method Forced upon the robber.
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Hmm.
If someone came up to me pistol whipped me around the head and said give me your money and I did /me dies of massive head trauma and did /kill?
I have chosen my method, he must live with it (or suicide if epic guilty but not as suspect).
Personally if I can find the unprovoked situations where I may die in a roleplay fashion - damn it to Freecop falling pit of doom - I will take that bloody damn situation and die in a roleplay fashion, however would others doing this or would this in itself be Roleplay Method Forced upon the robber.
For once I kind of agree with you. :razz:
If you don't want to RP when someones robbing you, find another way out like '/me has a panic attack and dies' or '/me honestly doesnt have any money' and leave them kill you, instead of bumbing the whole situation out and saying 'I DONT WANT TO RP'....
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There we are then "/em I dont want to RP right now" problem solved any actions against that person are either DM or forced RP, correct me if Im wrong here.
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/Em is third person not thr cringe worthy ooc stuff.
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Ok next time someone comes to kidnap or rob me I'm gonna do /me is under the invincible invisibility clooak If they still shoot me to death, then they are just lousy roleplayers : ))
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In other word,I am "forced" to find another route so as to "escape from the roleplay".
If you really disdain interacting with other players that much, then yes.
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Oh, and you must also remember that standing next to someone, and going:
/me robs the man
/em OMG, y u no RP
/report 1337 He's not RPing with me!
links into the not forcing RP, as you're forcing the situation into a specific area...as far as I can see, this non-Force RP rule just looks like a new name for Powergaming.
We are not a SrsBsns RP server, but common sense applies (<---quoting JDC there!).
:ps: As Ted put, /em is not actually for OOC chat...its for response to RP! It may sometimes look OOC, but it's designed for a purpose other than that. I mean, a couple of examples:
Criminal: /me looks at the cops badge
Cop /em SAPD Senior Officer
and
/me tries to push JDC through the cars window
/em Fail - seatbelt is on
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Using the /em-chat as some sort of OOC-chat makes you look completely retarded and missing the point of the general command.
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Answer was provided on page one, rest of topic is by moaners who can not RP.
Interesting though that while crook states he did not want to get wanted, he had no trouble killing for a failed robbery.