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Nine-month investigation by Al Jazeera discovers rare, radioactive polonium on our leader's final belongings.
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/whatkilledarafat/2012/07/20127383653774794.html (http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/whatkilledarafat/2012/07/20127383653774794.html)
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Just Israel being Israel, nothing to see here.
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Just Israel being Israel, nothing to see here.
Are you seriously implying that Israel had anything to do with Yasir Arafat's death?
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IT WAS THE GESTAPO
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Are you seriously implying that Israel had anything to do with Yasir Arafat's death?
Have you even spectated the whole conflict?
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Have you even spectated the whole conflict?
Do not fucking blame Israel for Palestine's problems.
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Do not f**king blame Israel for Palestine's problems.
(http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/images/1310480585093.jpg)
Did you know that Palestine is 66 years late in technology because of Israel's illegal occupation?
Did you know that more than 10 million Palestinians were forced out there homes outta Palestine because of Israel's illegal occupation?
Did you know that more than 20 thousands Palestinians were killed by Israel during the it's illegal occupation?
Did you know that every day 5-7 Palestinian houses are destroyed and its families are being forced to get displaced?
Did you know that every day 7-9 Palestinian farms get burned by Israeli illegal settlers in West Bank which is supposed to be a land under Palestinian Authority's rule according to Oslo conference in 1994?
Did you know that every day 1.5km2 of land is taken over by the illegal Israeli settlers inside the West Bank which is supposed to be a land under Palestinian Authority's rule according to Oslo conference in 1994?
Did you know that 3,500 Palestinian civilians were killed during Gaza's 2008 war?
Did you know that White Phosphore (Which is an illegal banned weapon in wars internationally) was used against innocent Palestinian civilians in Gaza's 2008 war?
Did you know that Palestine is not allowed to have it's own international airport? Not even a local airport. And that Palestinians need to travel to Amman or Cairo by land if they wanted to travel somewhere?
It's a very looong list of Israel's crimes against Palestinians during the last 66 years.
Did you even know one single information of the few mentioned crimes above?
Please, don't, never, ever, talk about something that you have no any knowledge about, at all.
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(http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/images/1310480585093.jpg)
Did you know that Palestine is 66 years late in technology because of Israel's illegal occupation?
Did you know that more than 10 million Palestinians were forced out there homes outta Palestine because of Israel's illegal occupation?
Did you know that more than 20 thousands Palestinians were killed by Israel during the it's illegal occupation?
Did you know that every day 5-7 Palestinian houses are destroyed and its families are being forced to get displaced?
Did you know that every day 7-9 Palestinian farms get burned by Israeli illegal settlers in West Bank which is supposed to be a land under Palestinian Authority's rule according to Oslo conference in 1994?
Did you know that every day 1.5km2 of land is taken over by the illegal Israeli settlers inside the West Bank which is supposed to be a land under Palestinian Authority's rule according to Oslo conference in 1994?
Did you know that 3,500 Palestinian civilians were killed during Gaza's 2008 war?
Did you know that White Phosphore (Which is an illegal banned weapon in wars internationally) was used against innocent Palestinian civilians in Gaza's 2008 war?
Did you know that Palestine is not allowed to have it's own international airport? Not even a local airport. And that Palestinians need to travel to Amman or Cairo by land if they wanted to travel somewhere?
It's a very looong list of Israel's crimes against Palestinians during the last 66 years.
Did you even know one single information of the few mentioned crimes above?
Please, don't, never, ever, talk about something that you have no any knowledge about, at all.
Did you know that Mark Zuckerberg is Jewish and without him Facebook will be never created. Thanks to him can we keep the connect from the other side of the earth.
Did you know that Bill Gates is Jewish without him the operation system Window will be never made. Now Microsoft is the most popular operation system ever always soo good and safe.
Did you know that Israel got the strongest army ever, when i mean strongest i dont mean they can kill everyone. I mean they got a very hard army training. I can make sure a General in USA army will never make that army. Beacuse Israel got a soo good army. Also have you heard about Krav Maga? abbreviated as KM is the collective name for several self-defense and close combat system with roots in Israel
I must add that: Israel is those smartest people then comes China. Beacuse their brain are overpower, when i mean with overpower. I mean they know what they doing. They are not attacking Palestina for just mess with them. They are doing that for protect their own country. I have seen some video their Palestina kids throws stone at Isreal. That is not OKEY !
Anyway... Free Palestina, i hope soon PEACE =)
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Did you know that Mark Zuckerberg is Jewish and without him Facebook will be never created. Thanks to him can we keep the connect from the other side of the earth.
Did you know that Bill Gates is Jewish without him the operation system Window will be never made. Now Microsoft is the most popular operation system ever always soo good and safe.
Why are you talking about Jewish people? I did not target Jewish people, I targeted Zionists in my comments, so I have no idea why are you talking about Jewish religion now.
Did you know that Israel got the strongest army ever, when i mean strongest i dont mean they can kill everyone. I mean they got a very hard army training. I can make sure a General in USA army will never make that army. Beacuse Israel got a soo good army. Also have you heard about Krav Maga? abbreviated as KM is the collective name for several self-defense and close combat system with roots in Israel
Israel is America's hand in Middle East. It's like America's main base in Middle East. Zionists would never reach that far if they weren't 100% supported by USA in all the ways.
some video their Palestina kids throws stone at Isreal. That is not OKEY !
I wouldn't say it's not okay. What would a small stone thrown by a weak kid hand to a huge tank? Scratch it's paint? Maybe.
Do you really compare the willing-power in these little children that ask for their most simple right for humanity, freedom, with helicopters, tanks, warships, and many other huge-strong military forces that Israel got from USA? That doesn't sound a far comparison.
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Palestine can either fight for its existence, or be defeated completely by Israel. That is their choice. I for one support Israel as a major power in the middle east and as an ally to the west. Palestine on the other hand only seems to be a plot of land that cannot admit defeat.
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Palestine can either fight for its existence, or be defeated completely by Israel. That is their choice. I for one support Israel as a major power in the middle east and as an ally to the west. Palestine on the other hand only seems to be a plot of land that cannot admit defeat.
Israel is supplied by the strongest country in the world, that what makes it a 'major power'.
21 Arab countries left us fighting in this battle .. Alone.
You might defeat us on land, but you'll never defeat what we believe in, neither what is in our hearts. We are a nation that will never, ever, leave it's own land.
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Israel is supplied by the strongest country in the world, that what makes it a 'major power'.
Survival of the Fittest, learn to adapt in a changing world or die.
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So, what you're stating is that there should be no moral obligation to one another and those with power should simply annihilate others because they have 'overpower' brains and big rockets (no pun intended).
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I, as a Norwegian and a citizen of Oslo, clearly support Palestines independence. It has been shown multiple times that forced integration doesn't work. Recently in Serbia and Kosovo/Albania.
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So, what you're stating is that there should be no moral obligation to one another and those with power should simply annihilate others because they have 'overpower' brains and big rockets (no pun intended).
I'm simply being realistic in regards to Human Nature, weather or not things SHOULD be like this is irrelevant since this is the way things ARE and will always be. When someone loses a war, they admit defeat, doing so does not make them cowards, it shows there is honour in war. But when a country starts making trouble even after they are defeaten, it is their own fault for the violence THEY cause themselves, if the completely surrender to Israel there will be less conflict, but they choose to rebel against their controllers and thus bring violence upon themselves.
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I'm simply being realistic in regards to Human Nature, weather or not things SHOULD be like this is irrelevant since this is the way things ARE and will always be. When someone loses a war, they admit defeat, doing so does not make them cowards, it shows there is honour in war. But when a country starts making trouble even after they are defeaten, it is their own fault for the violence THEY cause themselves, if the completely surrender to Israel there will be less conflict, but they choose to rebel against their controllers and thus bring violence upon themselves.
So you are simply trying to say that if foreign settlers came from all around the world, supplied with the most powerful weapons, forced my people to leave their own land and took it over, is fine?
How could a human brain even imagine that?
We might lost the battle, because we are powerless, but we didn't and will never lose the war.
From which universe did they come to kick me outta my own land and I just say OK? There's no such universe.
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So you are simply trying to say that if foreign settlers came from all around the world, supplied with the most powerful weapons, forced my people to leave their own land and took it over, is fine?
How could a human brain even imagine that?
We might lost the battle, because we are powerless, but we didn't and will never lose the war.
From which universe did they come to kick me outta my own land and I just say OK? There's no such universe.
But they were there before you, in fact they were the first to be there.
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But they were there before you, in fact they were the first to be there.
That's incorrect and evidence-less. And I am no way going to discuss who was there first because it's nothing different than discussing who came first, egg or chicken.
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egg or chicken.
Neither, evolution baby.
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So you are simply trying to say that if foreign settlers came from all around the world, supplied with the most powerful weapons, forced my people to leave their own land and took it over, is fine?
How could a human brain even imagine that?
We might lost the battle, because we are powerless, but we didn't and will never lose the war.
From which universe did they come to kick me outta my own land and I just say OK? There's no such universe.
So your trying to say that its wrong of them to be violent, and to stop them being violent against you, you will be violent against them? Seems like every other conflict in the middle east that never ends and seems very hypocritical. What universe am I from? This one, the one where people are violent and war has happened for centuries, there has been winners and losers, and when it comes to the middle east, non of you know when to stop, not even Israel, but at least Israel does it with some honour.
Pictures like this I see everyday in the press and online. Sure, most of its probably exaggerated like the rest of the news, but its still gonna leave an impression on my opinions of the middle east and your small piece of land you claim to be a country.
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So your trying to say that its wrong of them to be violent, and to stop them being violent against you, you will be violent against them? Seems like every other conflict in the middle east that never ends and seems very hypocritical. What universe am I from? This one, the one where people are violent and war has happened for centuries, there has been winners and losers, and when it comes to the middle east, non of you know when to stop, not even Israel, but at least Israel does it with some honour.
Pictures like this I see everyday in the press and online. Sure, most of its probably exaggerated like the rest of the news, but its still gonna leave an impression on my opinions of the middle east and your small piece of land you claim to be a country.(http://i46.tinypic.com/sfj6o1.jpg)
If you are really talking from an opened mind, you would easily realize Israel's disinformation-mass-media around the world.
Israel has tried hard along the last decades to show that it is the victim, and we are the killers.(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ksp6y1mPUh1qz7afp.gif)
(http://occupiedpalestine.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/durra.jpg?w=588)
Mohammed Durra and his father, killed by IDF in 2nd Intifada while he's in the bosom of his dad.
Few hours later, a jewish hat was added to these pictures and Israel worked hard to claim to the west that these people in the picture are Israeli and was murdered by Palestinians.
Take a look at some Israeli war crimes against my people (Only if you have a strong heart):
http://rtsf.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/israeli-war-crimes.jpg (http://rtsf.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/israeli-war-crimes.jpg)
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/538429_269547386485658_1231078449_n.jpg (http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/538429_269547386485658_1231078449_n.jpg)
http://www.ennaharonline.com/en/thumbnail.php?file=Victim_of_zionism_764420899.jpg&size=article_medium (http://www.ennaharonline.com/en/thumbnail.php?file=Victim_of_zionism_764420899.jpg&size=article_medium)
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/israel-war-crimes-in-gaza.jpg (http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/israel-war-crimes-in-gaza.jpg)
http://www.defraudingamerica.com/lebanon_child_body_ripped_open.jpg (http://www.defraudingamerica.com/lebanon_child_body_ripped_open.jpg)
http://www.roytov.com/gaza/IsraeliAssassinationsGaza2009-16.jpg (http://www.roytov.com/gaza/IsraeliAssassinationsGaza2009-16.jpg)
http://kormexdesign.com/boycott/images/stories/israel_crimes_kabreet_egypty_90.jpg (http://kormexdesign.com/boycott/images/stories/israel_crimes_kabreet_egypty_90.jpg)
http://alethonews.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/israeli-crimes.jpg?w=384&h=274 (http://alethonews.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/israeli-crimes.jpg?w=384&h=274)
What did these innocent young children did?
With what reason on earth were they murdered?
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(http://diagdissent.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/settlement-cartoon.jpg)
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(http://dissidentvoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/israel-nuclear1.jpg)
(http://www.deviantart.com/download/110298164/Gaza_war_crimes_2_by_Latuff2.jpg)
(http://artintifada.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/us_thwarts_un_gaza_ceasefire_by_latuff2.jpg)
(http://griid.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/israel_refuses_to_lift_blockade.gif)
(http://artintifada.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/israel_press_freedom_by_latuff2.jpg)
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So... first you say that violence is bad yet you want to fight violence with ciolence.
Then you try to combat my post containing what you say is propaganda with even more propaganda yet you say its bad?
So much hypocrisy. Listen bud, I feel you, I understand that your people have gone through some hard times, but instead of blaming other people for your problems like you say Israel is, why not look at yourselves first? Everything you have claimed to be bad your own people do just as Israel does. The Middle East is a fucked up place of constant war and violence, and the only reason it happens is because neither side seems to understand an alternative to violence. War is War, and if you do not want war, do not provoke conflict. It is as simple as that, sure, you might not get your way, but at least your not letting innocent people die.
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I really don't mind the cartoons and everyone throwing in arguments in favor of their positions but please do this forum a favor and don't start with the ''all zions are evil'' ''all palestines are terrorist'' bullshit...
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If you are really talking from an opened mind, you would easily realize Israel's disinformation-mass-media around the world.
you talk about media disinformation, yet you watch Al Jazeera and wholeheartedly believe everything they shit out is made out of gold.
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I really don't mind the cartoons and everyone throwing in arguments in favor of their positions but please do this forum a favor and don't start with the ''all zions are evil'' ''all palestines are terrorist'' bullshit...
Zionists believe in one thing, that they are the chosen people by God, and the rest of peoples are their slaves.
They took my land, build settlements, killed my people, raped our women, arrested our young people..
But I do also believe that there are some good ones in them.
you talk about media disinformation, yet you watch Al Jazeera and wholeheartedly believe everything they shit out is made out of gold.
Mmm, provokes me when someone gets himself involved with something he has no any knowledge about..
In January 2011, demonstrations in Ramallah took a place by thousands of Palestinians who hate Al Jazeera and know well that Al Jazeera sometimes provides incorrect information about this conflict.
So no, Palestinians are open-minded people and don't believe whatever mass-medias say, like Al Jazeera.
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So, Eddie Murphy poisoned Arafat?
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Mmm, provokes me when someone gets himself involved with something he has no any knowledge about..
In January 2011, demonstrations in Ramallah took a place by thousands of Palestinians who hate Al Jazeera and know well that Al Jazeera sometimes provides incorrect information about this conflict.
So no, Palestinians are open-minded people and don't believe whatever mass-medias say, like Al Jazeera.
lol
You claim all Palestinians are open-minded people who don't believe every little thing their propaganda-infested news network, Al Jazeera, tells them. Now, using your logic, Palestinians would have reasons to doubt Al Jazeera's claim that the angry baneful Israelis once again show their evil ways by killing Arafat. I bet you'll go "hurrr it was polonium poisoning" because Al Jazeera said so.
I love how you say I have no knowledge about anything when all you believe in comes from following Islamist Facebook groups, liking some average Muhammad's shitty propaganda comics, posting them around and blaming everything on the evil Zionists.
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You claim all Palestinians are open-minded people who don't believe every little thing their propaganda-infested news network, Al Jazeera, tells them. Now, using your logic, Palestinians would have reasons to doubt Al Jazeera's claim that the angry baneful Israelis once again show their evil ways by killing Arafat. I bet you'll go "hurrr it was polonium poisoning" because Al Jazeera said so.
Once again, you proof that you have nothing to do here.
Since the day Arafat was killed, most of Palestinians were saying that Israel was able to get him poisoned by food during Muqataa' Blockade in 2002, but no one ever was sure about that (That was the story back then).
But today, 2012, Al Jazeera continued the story .. But not alone. An investigation lead by a group of international scientists confirmed that, with Al Jazeera to be responsible to announce it.
I love how you say I have no knowledge about anything when all you believe in comes from following Islamist Facebook groups, liking some average Muhammad's shitty propaganda comics, posting them around and blaming everything on the evil Zionists.
Yes, you are a knowledge-less person about this case.
I don't have to go to "Islamist FB Pages" to get info about my case, I live in this case, I live in Palestine, I'm a watcher in the 1st seat of this massacre.
And watch your mouth while you are talking about the holy prophet, Muhammed -peace be upon him-. Unfortunately, people like you who has lack of words to describe things use such foul language.
Have you ever knew any of that? No, but you are interested in putting your big nose everywhere.
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An investigation lead by a group of international scientists confirmed that, with Al Jazeera to be responsible to announce it.
So, your trying to say that Al-Jazeera did not just make up that they had a team of scientists? You say you are open minded, yet you believe everything this agency says....
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So, your trying to say that Al-Jazeera did not just make up that they had a team of scientists? You say you are open minded, yet you believe everything this agency says....
We do already know that he was poisoned in a way or another, we do not exactly care about the way it was done.
But we and many people around the world, know in our hearts the suspect.
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We do already know that he was poisoned in a way or another, we do not exactly care about the way he was poisoned.
The way means everything. You can be poisoned simply by eating under cooked food. The way he was killed helps us understand who did it, or if he did it to himself. Nothing says Israel did it.
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The way means everything. You can be poisoned simply by eating under cooked food. The way he was killed helps us understand who did it, or if he did it to himself.
We do already know that he was poisoned in a way or another, we do not exactly care about the way it was done.
But we and many people around the world, know in our hearts the suspect.
Nothing says Israel did it.
Arafat's dream, and every Palestinian/Arab's dream was setting up and creating the State of Palestine. This completely does not go along with interests, neither USA's in the region.
All Arabs and many people around the world do believe that Israel is the suspect, but unfortunately, solid evidences are hard to get.
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I would just like to add the following: Try debating instead of provoking each other. Everyone watches and listen to the news here, Rami is not the only case.
Nowadays, media takes care of creating public opinion. With that task at hand, they can afford themselves to mislead us because most of human principles are nothing but bonds/agreements between people. Media and the government are one of them.
How do you guys know your opinion is true and Rami's is false? Just because he has the capability to bias?
I'm remaining neutral on this subject as I await further development of the case. As for the rest of you, try not to heat this discussion any further.
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Interesting. If I remember well at the time it was mainly Hamas who wanted to kill Arafat as he had a stronghold on power in the Palestine areas. And now its Israel whodiddit, killed the single guy who had influence enough to stop the fighting at least temporarily?
If he was murdered, there is zero proof Israel is guilty. Also zero proof Hamas is guilty btw, but logical thinking would point at an enemy, not a possible ally.
Now as for your pity war.
Palestine was never a country. People living there were too lazy to form one, and neighbours considered it a worthless piece of desert. Only after the Israelians showed you can build cities and plant trees people got interest in the piece of desert and try to take it away.
People worked hard to build a country, to make the soil fertile, to build houses and roads.
And some lazy asses were sitting and looking, and became jealous since all they had were 3 camels and a goat. So they decided to shout they were there first and wanted their country.
And as usual their religion cooperates in this, as it trains them to be a victim. Zionist claim to be the chosen people and all others should be their slaves, Muslims claim they are the chosen people and all others should be their slaves. See any difference there ? Neither do I.
Perhaps you do not know that there are places where they show how Palestines are making movies or riots and shootings, with actors instead of soldiers.
Perhaps you do not know that Gaza has modern shopping centers where you can buy anything.
Perhaps you do not know that all people get to see is carefully directed propaganda from all sides.
The is one solution. Stop to fight. Look at Ghandi (not Gandy you foo') and decide to stop the violence and sit down. You want your country ? Stop fighting for it. Accept Zionists are people too. Accept that people who worked hard and invested their money in building a country will not give it up because you scream and jump like a 3-year old.
Stop being a victim. Be a man. It does not take courage to fight who you hate. It takes courage not to fight who you hate and make peace with them.
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Interesting. If I remember well at the time it was mainly Hamas who wanted to kill Arafat as he had a stronghold on power in the Palestine areas. And now its Israel whodiddit, killed the single guy who had influence enough to stop the fighting at least temporarily?
If he was murdered, there is zero proof Israel is guilty. Also zero proof Hamas is guilty btw, but logical thinking would point at an enemy, not a possible ally.
Now as for your pity war.
Palestine was never a country. People living there were too lazy to form one, and neighbours considered it a worthless piece of desert. Only after the Israelians showed you can build cities and plant trees people got interest in the piece of desert and try to take it away.
People worked hard to build a country, to make the soil fertile, to build houses and roads.
And some lazy asses were sitting and looking, and became jealous since all they had were 3 camels and a goat. So they decided to shout they were there first and wanted their country.
And as usual their religion cooperates in this, as it trains them to be a victim. Zionist claim to be the chosen people and all others should be their slaves, Muslims claim they are the chosen people and all others should be their slaves. See any difference there ? Neither do I.
Perhaps you do not know that there are places where they show how Palestines are making movies or riots and shootings, with actors instead of soldiers.
Perhaps you do not know that Gaza has modern shopping centers where you can buy anything.
Perhaps you do not know that all people get to see is carefully directed propaganda from all sides.
The is one solution. Stop to fight. Look at Ghandi (not Gandy you foo') and decide to stop the violence and sit down. You want your country ? Stop fighting for it. Accept Zionists are people too. Accept that people who worked hard and invested their money in building a country will not give it up because you scream and jump like a 3-year old.
Stop being a victim. Be a man. It does not take courage to fight who you hate. It takes courage not to fight who you hate and make peace with them.
Well, thats one way to put it, I tried to be a little nicer then my usual self but Gandalf knows how to put things :D
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They needed someone with enough conviction to lead their communities and form seperate countries. But shit has gone far beyond that point now. But on the bright side, we're all dying at the end of this year, right?
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Interesting. If I remember well at the time it was mainly Hamas who wanted to kill Arafat as he had a stronghold on power in the Palestine areas. And now its Israel whodiddit, killed the single guy who had influence enough to stop the fighting at least temporarily?
If he was murdered, there is zero proof Israel is guilty. Also zero proof Hamas is guilty btw, but logical thinking would point at an enemy, not a possible ally.
Well, I don't think you remember well then.
Hammas-PA problems started in 2006-2007, which are 2-3 years after Arafat was killed. Problems between Hammas and PA were never exist before then.
Now as for your pity war.
Palestine was never a country. People living there were too lazy to form one, and neighbours considered it a worthless piece of desert. Only after the Israelians showed you can build cities and plant trees people got interest in the piece of desert and try to take it away.
People worked hard to build a country, to make the soil fertile, to build houses and roads.
And some lazy asses were sitting and looking, and became jealous since all they had were 3 camels and a goat. So they decided to shout they were there first and wanted their country.
Nations started to rise after the beginning of the 20th century. In 1917 (Just at the beginning of 20th century), the Levant was invaded by British forces under the name of "British Mandate". This was completely negative for the whole Levant, including Palestine.
So how do you expect us to be able to build modern cities during an invasion?
We are a nation that had a rough time in our history, out of an invasion, and in another.
And as usual their religion cooperates in this, as it trains them to be a victim. Zionist claim to be the chosen people and all others should be their slaves, Muslims claim they are the chosen people and all others should be their slaves. See any difference there ? Neither do I.
Islam never, ever, stated that other nations/peoples are slaves. Islam is against slavery, and it started being forbidden 1500 years ago.
Islam teaches us to be friendly to other nations, weather their religions are. But if they attempt to harm us, we won't go along with it and say its fine.
Get your facts right.
Perhaps you do not know that there are places where they show how Palestines are making movies or riots and shootings, with actors instead of soldiers.
Perhaps you do not know that Gaza has modern shopping centers where you can buy anything.
Perhaps you do not know that all people get to see is carefully directed propaganda from all sides.
Sorry, just two possibilities, either you are drunk, or high.
I've been to Gaza in 2010 to check out my relatives after the war, 3 members of my aunt's family were missing.
Houses, mosques, universities, UN HQ's & branches, even hospitals were doomed.
The is one solution. Stop to fight. Look at Ghandi (not Gandy you foo') and decide to stop the violence and sit down. You want your country ? Stop fighting for it. Accept Zionists are people too. Accept that people who worked hard and invested their money in building a country will not give it up because you scream and jump like a 3-year old.
Stop fighting for my own right after all what my people suffered? And after all what I personally & my family suffered? Just No, unless a truthful honest peace is signed by both governments, where my country gets it's full rights, an official Palestinian State on the borders of 1967.
If you are willing to start a flamewar, I'm out of this. I won't really go down to such level and start insulting other nations according to wrong thoughts that I got from a disinformation'ed media.
Stop being a victim. Be a man. It does not take courage to fight who you hate. It takes courage not to fight who you hate and make peace with them.
Be man? Hmm .. Probably a description that many spoiled westerns misses it.
Real men are made here, in Palestine.
We have suffered enough along the past decades.
We are the only occupied nation on earth till today.
Trust me .. Real men are made in Palestine.
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Did you know that Mark Zuckerberg is Jewish and without him Facebook will be never created. Thanks to him can we keep the connect from the other side of the earth.
Did you know that Bill Gates is Jewish without him the operation system Window will be never made. Now Microsoft is the most popular operation system ever always soo good and safe.
Hating Israel and hating the Jews are two completely different f*cking things.
Israel is the most belligerent nation that wants to see everyone else crash and burn (I don't remember the name of the strategy, but Israel has plans that when they're about to get destroyed, they'll send missles to a lot of other countries like Italy to assure that they don't go down alone), while the Jews are mostly ordinary people like you and I. Every damn religion/nationality/race has their black sheep, for the Jews it's Israel.
I must add that: Israel is those smartest people then comes China. Beacuse their brain are overpower, when i mean with overpower. I mean they know what they doing.
Do you actually f*cking believe that?
They are doing that for protect their own country. I have seen some video their Palestina kids throws stone at Isreal. That is not OKEY !
That's like saying that if a Jewish boy had thrown a rock at a Panzerkampfwagen in 1942 then the concentration camps would've been completely justified.
Israel is f*cking worse than Nazi Germany, at least the Nazis gave the world more good things than bad (scientific breakthroughs, advances in medicine, advances in social security etc).
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Israel is f*cking worse than Nazi Germany, at least the Nazis gave the world more good things than bad (scientific breakthroughs, advances in medicine, advances in social security etc).
You obviously know nothing about israel if you think they have not contributed anything to the world. For one, they are the leaders in desalination technology, they have a space program, advanced agricultural technology programs, and currently have one of the most advanced stem cell research labs in the world.
get your facts stright.
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You obviously know nothing about israel if you think they have not contributed anything to the world. For one, they are the leaders in desalination technology, they have a space program, advanced agricultural technology programs, and currently have one of the most advanced stem cell research labs in the world.
get your facts stright.
Why do you think that YOU know more than him?
And let me think about what Israel brought to the world ... Hmmm, oh yeah, problems in Middle East .. 10 million refugees, occupied nations .. Killed innocent civilians .. Oh, and an UZI!
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Why do you think that YOU know more than him?
And let me think about what Israel brought to the world ... Hmmm, oh yeah, problems in Middle East .. 10 million refugees, occupied nations .. Killed innocent civilians .. Oh, and an UZI!
Your the one starting all the problems, Last time I checked your not even a country, so what gives you the right to demand the rights on one?
i know more then him becuase its common knowledge that israel is the tech capitol of the middle east, and that their achievements are well known across the planet. He obviously has no education and should not be making remarks comparing Israel to nazi germany.
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You obviously know nothing about israel if you think they have not contributed anything to the world. For one, they are the leaders in desalination technology, they have a space program, advanced agricultural technology programs, and currently have one of the most advanced stem cell research labs in the world.
How exactly are any of those (save for the stem sell research, I'll grant you that, but a lot of other nations are researching it as well) beneficial to the world?
Notice how I said "more good things than bad", implying that they have given us some good things.
Your the one starting all the problems, Last time I checked your not even a country, so what gives you the right to demand the rights on one?
Last time I checked, you're a completely and utterly ignorant Canadian who believes that Serbians stab eachother to kill time. You have no right to announce whether a country has the right to exist or not.
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How exactly are any of those (save for the stem sell research, I'll grant you that, but a lot of other nations are researching it as well) beneficial to the world?
My first point, desalination tech, allows people who live in dry parts of the world to convert salt water to drinkable fresh water. That tech has saved millions of lives in parts of the world with no fresh water. Go do some research and you will see that Israel pumps out more tech that helps the world then any other middle east country. I would go ahead and say Estonia has no world saving contributions either, but im not as ignorant as you are.
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Last time I checked, you're a completely and utterly ignorant Canadian who believes that Serbians stab eachother to kill time. You have no right to announce whether a country has the right to exist or not.
You call me Ignorant, yet your the one the who says Israel has not given the world anything and is the same as Nazi Germany, You even had to audacity to say Nazi Germany gave more benefits then negatives. No one but a Nazi themselves would ever say that. Go educate yourself for the love of god.
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I would go ahead and say Estonia has no world saving contributions either, but im not as ignorant as you are.
Do we bomb schools with white phosphorus or occupy another country illegally? No, we do not.
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Do we bomb schools with white phosphorus or occupy another country illegally? No, we do not.
Palestine is not a recognised Country so the occupation is not illegal.
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Your the one starting all the problems, Last time I checked your not even a country, so what gives you the right to demand the rights on one?
What?
i know more then him becuase its common knowledge that israel is the tech capitol of the middle east, and that their achievements are well known across the planet. He obviously has no education and should not be making remarks comparing Israel to nazi germany.
I now don't think that you know anything about this .. Israel is one hundred supplied by USA, the most powerful nation currently on earth, what do you expect then? All the knowledge they got now is provided by the US.
Israel is just an unofficial American state in Middle East.
You call me Ignorant, yet your the one the who says Israel has not given the world anything and is the same as Nazi Germany, You even had to audacity to say Nazi Germany gave more benefits then negatives. No one but a Nazi themselves would ever say that. Go educate yourself for the love of god.
This is his point of view.
Palestine is not a recognised Country so the occupation is not illegal.
It's a military occupation. Military occupations are and never were legal in any kind of situation.
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Who dictates if its legal or not?
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You call me Ignorant, yet your the one the who says Israel has not given the world anything and is the same as Nazi Germany,
Notice how I said "more good things than bad", implying that they have given us some good things.
Go educate yourself for the love of god.
Coming from the guy who believes that everyone from Eastern Europe is a mindless savage and that Muslims are all terrorists.
You even had to audacity to say Nazi Germany gave more benefits then negatives. No one but a Nazi themselves would ever say that.
http://listverse.com/2011/01/31/top-10-things-the-nazis-got-right/ (http://listverse.com/2011/01/31/top-10-things-the-nazis-got-right/)
The list goes on and on. I think those outweigh the fact that they sent people to work camps.
Anyways, I'm abandoning this thread before I get myself into deep shit.
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The list goes on and on. I think those outweigh the fact that they sent people to work camps.
Hands down the most disgusting thing I have ever read on this forum. And even more reason for me to dislike your part of the world.
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Who dictates if its legal or not?
Logic.
How could something that destroys houses, kills innocent babies, kids, women, men, old men, destroys Mosques, Hospitals, UN HQ's, arrests kids, forced 10 million people to leave their own land and threw them in nearby countries could be legal on earth?
That's without all the international documents and confessions which admit that it's a completely illegal occupation.
Hands down the most disgusting thing I have ever read on this forum. And even more reason for me to dislike your part of the world.
No need to be so offensive and aggressive toward others because of their own opinions, if you simply can't handle a discussion, don't get yourself involved in one.
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Logic.
How could something that destroys houses, kills innocent babies, kids, women, men, old men, destroys Mosques, Hospitals, UN HQ's, arrests kids, forced 10 million people to leave their own land and threw them in nearby countries could be legal on earth?
That's without all the international documents and confessions which admit that it's a completely illegal occupation.
You need to quit it with the cries for pity, you make it seem like your the only place in the world with problems such as this, and frankly, Gandalf put it perfectly, the issues you have are your own fault and you are starting the problems.
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You need to quit it with the cries for pity, you make it seem like your the only place in the world with problems such as this, and frankly, Gandalf put it perfectly, the issues you have are your own fault and you are starting the problems.
You ran out of words and can't continue the discussion so you are saying that this happens everywhere so it's OK?
I guess if this happened against Israelis, and we were the one who's killing them, we wouldn't live any longer .. All armies from all around the world would be there for Israel .. Why? Because they want to asslick USA.
So No, this is not Okay, and will never be that way. This isn't acceptable and will never be.
Freedom to Palestine!
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You ran out of words and can't continue the discussion so you are saying that this happens everywhere so it's OK?
I have already presented my arguments and Gandalf summed it up very well, your just avoiding answering the questions properly because you have no real argument other then "we were here first"
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I have already presented my arguments and Gandalf summed it up very well, your just avoiding answering the questions properly because you have no real argument other then "we were here first"
Yet again, you proof that you got nothing else to say.
I've only mentioned it once, that we were here first.
Please do not continue posting, you are embarrassing yourself.
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Yet again, you proof that you got nothing else to say.
I've only mentioned it once, that we were here first.
Please do not continue posting, you are embarrassing yourself.
And once again you fail to go back and answer the questions asked to you, because you have no answers :lol:
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Who dictates if its legal or not?
Logic.
How could something that destroys houses, kills innocent babies, kids, women, men, old men, destroys Mosques, Hospitals, UN HQ's, arrests kids, forced 10 million people to leave their own land and threw them in nearby countries could be legal on earth?
That's without all the international documents and confessions which admit that it's a completely illegal occupation.
No need to be so offensive and aggressive toward others because of their own opinions, if you simply can't handle a discussion, don't get yourself involved in one.
That's just .. Just get some glasses.
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Oliver has some good points although I agree that Nazi Germany's innovation cannot outweigh their crimes.
SafetyMoose: You got a bit carried away there. Rami lives in a high hostility zone where life is looked at in a different way. Anything can happen at any time. You live in Canada and lets face it, Canada is neither in a state of war nor occupied. I advise you to go easy on the legality/illegality matter because you're starting to show that you're a slap to human intelligence. Who dictates if it's legal? He should quit crying because he's not the only nation in the world going through this? Palestinians should join together and thank for the mess they are living in. Why? Because they're not the only country in the world in this condition, right? "But, but they are moaning! They should not moan!" - OK, how can a reasonable human being resemble this as an argument when it comes to ultimate dehumanizing - war?
Destruction in any way by anyone will never be justified or legal. Believe we, I was born and raised in a war zone.
If you put this destruction and killing to weigh them for legality/illegality, describing this conflict as legal, what makes you different from the Nazis?
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Oliver has some good points although I agree that Nazi Germany's innovation cannot outweigh their crimes.
SafetyMoose: You got a bit carried away there. Rami lives in a high hostility zone where life is looked at in a different way. Anything can happen at any time. You live in Canada and lets face it, Canada is neither in a state of war nor occupied. I advise you to go easy on the legality/illegality matter because you're starting to show that you're a slap to human intelligence. Who dictates if it's legal? He should quit crying because he's not the only nation in the world going through this? Palestinians should join together and thank for the mess they are living in. Why? Because they're not the only country in the world in this condition, right? "But, but they are moaning! They should not moan!" - OK, how can a reasonable human being resemble this as an argument when it comes to ultimate dehumanizing - war?
Destruction in any way by anyone will never be justified or legal. Believe we, I was born and raised in a war zone.
If you put this destruction and killing to weigh them for legality/illegality, describing this conflict as legal, what makes you different from the Nazis?
hey, can't be as bad as some places if he has the time to sit at a computer and play video games. Seems like he Palestinians are having a real hard time, especially with all their malls and commercial services.
I just have a hard time sympathising with a place whos people claim to be in a state of chaos, yet apparently have a ton of services available to them.
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hey, can't be as bad as some places if he has the time to sit at a computer and play video games. Seems like he Palestinians are having a real hard time, especially with all their malls and commercial services.
I just have a hard time sympathising with a place whos people claim to be in a state of chaos, yet apparently have a ton of services available to them.
So those who are in a state of war don't have internet?
Lets review this (http://www.ifamericansknew.org/images/children_by_year-lg.gif) chart?
Tell me if these two(1 (http://schema-root.org/region/middle_east/palestine/people/casualties/children/burnt_palestinian_child.jpg)|2 (http://firstlightforum.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/gazan-kid11.jpg?w=627)) are legal? (Warning - containing gore - view at your own risk)
Here is an Israeli soldier (http://www.cherifo.com/Beast/dead%20israeli%20troops%20Lebanona.jpg) and Israeli civilians (http://zioneocon.blogspot.com/bus%20bombing%2001%2029%2004.jpg) (Warning - containing gore - view at your own risk). They are probably enjoying a tan?
I just have to warn you, this is probably just one big montage, there is no conflict going on there. Right?
The question is NOT who's land is it.
The question is NOT who's God is it.
People live there. Just ordinary people. None of them should be authorized of that! None of them is privileged and none of them have any kind of justification for death!
Now I'll just wait your Anglo-spheric supreme judgment to call me sick and twisted for posting these pictures. I know and I sympathize, the westerners are not really used to reality. They have their own kind of news.
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hey, can't be as bad as some places if he has the time to sit at a computer and play video games. Seems like he Palestinians are having a real hard time, especially with all their malls and commercial services.
I just have a hard time sympathising with a place whos people claim to be in a state of chaos, yet apparently have a ton of services available to them.
Wake up please.
You are living in 21st century, even some people in Africa has computers now.
We have fought the impossible to reach this point.
And for your information, my ISP is provided by Israel because we are not even allowed to have our own private ISP.
So whatever I do on internet is highly watched.
I wouldn't surprise if I find IDF downstairs in a day or two for this discussion.
But yet again, my own life worth nothing when I'm defending my country.
And .. What malls and commercial services are you talking about? Do you know that just 4 years ago we started getting water by infrastructure? Just 4-5 years ago from now, I and my cousins had to go to Ramallah weekly (which is 70km away from my city) to reach the nearest water provider.
Just a year ago, we got the first "mini-mall" in my city, which is only a building consisted of 3 floors, 150m2 each.
I & my people are living a very bad life that you have no idea how it would be since you are a spoiled western living in Canada (Sorry bud, truth must be said).
Commercial services? Do you know that we are disallowed to have our own international or local airport? If we need to go somewhere, we travel 350km to reach Amman or Cairo so we use their airport.
Heres an advice: use your brain before your mouth.
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So those who are in a state of war don't have internet?
Lets review this (http://www.ifamericansknew.org/images/children_by_year-lg.gif) chart?
Tell me if these two(1 (http://schema-root.org/region/middle_east/palestine/people/casualties/children/burnt_palestinian_child.jpg)|2 (http://firstlightforum.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/gazan-kid11.jpg?w=627)) are legal? (Warning - containing gore - view at your own risk)
Here is an Israeli soldier (http://www.cherifo.com/Beast/dead%20israeli%20troops%20Lebanona.jpg) and Israeli civilians (http://zioneocon.blogspot.com/bus%20bombing%2001%2029%2004.jpg) (Warning - containing gore - view at your own risk). They are probably enjoying a tan?
I just have to warn you, this is probably just one big montage, there is no conflict going on there. Right?
The question is NOT who's land is it.
The question is NOT who's God is it.
People live there. Just ordinary people. None of them should be authorized of that! None of them is privileged and none of them have any kind of justification for death!
Now I'll just wait your Anglo-spheric supreme judgment to call me sick and twisted for posting these pictures. I know and I sympathize, the westerners are not really used to reality. They have their own kind of news.
I have worked with Homicide at my department, I know what dead people look like thank you very much and have witnessed death first hand. Its true, I live in a completely different world then these people, one that is a hell of a lot more civilised. Israel is my countries ally, So I support them, I support my government just as much as Rami here supports his views on Palestine. It is honourable that Rami feels the way he does, However voicing his opinion online frankly does not seem to be the right way to solve things. You can post pictures of dead civilians all you want, I see these pictures on the news over here or online. I am not blind to the world, I just don't think palestine has any justification for the violence they themselves cause, they enjoy playing the victim. All they have to do is assimilate in to the regions society but they choose to remain outcasts.
My view wont change just as Much as Rami's wont, I have witnessed what goes on in Africa and am returning there on the 19th to volunteer there, do not take me for someone who has not witnessed the negatives of the world, I certainly have but I am confident in my conservative viewpoint on the way the world is run, and Palestine's justification and excuses just dont sit well with me.
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I have worked with Homicide at my department, I know what dead people look like thank you very much and have witnessed death first hand. Its true, I live in a completely different world then these people, one that is a hell of a lot more civilised. Israel is my countries ally, So I support them, I support my government just as much as Rami here supports his views on Palestine. It is honourable that Rami feels the way he does, However voicing his opinion online frankly does not seem to be the right way to solve things. You can post pictures of dead civilians all you want, I see these pictures on the news over here or online. I am not blind to the world, I just don't think palestine has any justification for the violence they themselves cause, they enjoy playing the victim. All they have to do is assimilate in to the regions society but they choose to remain outcasts.
My view wont change just as Much as Rami's wont, I have witnessed what goes on in Africa and am returning there on the 19th to volunteer there, do not take me for someone who has not witnessed the negatives of the world, I certainly have but I am confident in my conservative viewpoint on the way the world is run, and Palestine's justification and excuses just dont sit well with me.
First of, I see you completely missed my point. Let me simplify it.
The intention of those pictures were not to transform you to a supporter of any belligerent party. Their intention was to show how contemplating on the legality or justification of war is never a wise choice. You are a human being just like Rami is. Taking or losing a life is not an easy matter to see, hear and especially discuss.
My statements refer to life. Politics are not my intention. Who's right and who's wrong doesn't matter because right now someone is mourning their dead.
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Israel is my countries ally, So I support them.
That's blind thought.
If my friend's friend is murder, does not mean he is my friend. I can change what's around me. Just because it's your country's ally doesn't mean whatever it does is correct and right, and must be honored for.
You can post pictures of dead civilians all you want, I see these pictures on the news over here or online.
You're one of few then.
I am not blind to the world, I just don't think palestine has any justification for the violence they themselves cause, they enjoy playing the victim. All they have to do is assimilate in to the regions society but they choose to remain outcasts.
Why do you think letting go your own home, land, & country is that easy?
My people is full of national affiliation, we are an existed people, we are here, and we are not moving in any situation.
Don't you have national affiliation, too? Or you would just leave your land & country without carrying about what you left behind?
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That's blind thought.
If my friend's friend is murder, does not mean he is my friend. I can change what's around me. Just because it's your country's ally doesn't mean whatever it does is correct and right, and must be honored for.
One must be loyal to their friends or else you are not a true friend.
Why do you think letting go your own home, land, & country is that easy?
My people is full of national affiliation, we are an existed people, we are here, and we are not moving in any situation.
Don't you have national affiliation, too? Or you would just leave your land & country without carrying about what you left behind?
Palestinians are not being forced to leave their country, if Israel did not want you there they would have killed everyone a long time ago. You have the opportunity to live in peace if you just accept that your land is part of Israel. Many countries in the world have people of different nationalities living together, look at Canada, we have thousands of Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus all living together without feeling the need to kill each other. You have the power to make changes but sacrifices need to be made and those sacrifices don't need to be lives.
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One must be loyal to their friends or else you are not a true friend.
I go with what conscience, because if my friend was a murderer, he's not a friend.
Palestinians are not being forced to leave their country, if Israel did not want you there they would have killed everyone a long time ago. You have the opportunity to live in peace if you just accept that your land is part of Israel. Many countries in the world have people of different nationalities living together, look at Canada, we have thousands of Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus all living together without feeling the need to kill each other. You have the power to make changes but sacrifices need to be made and those sacrifices don't need to be lives.
Yes they are being forced to leave their land. In 1948, just when all it began, Israelis started with force, not even told them "We claim this out land, get the hell out", they just killed them with the most awful ways, and you can check it up on internet.
There's something you're missing .. We do not disagree with pluralism, we have always (Since the beginning of the conflict) wanted to live together in peace side by side, but Israelis never wanted to do so.
And who told you they didn't try to kill us all together? Just once again you proof you have lack of history information.
Deir Yassin massacre, Abu Shusha massacre, Al-Tira massacre, Balad al-Shaykh massacre massacre, Bayt Nabalam massacre, Ein al-Zeitun massacre.
And money others, have you ever heard of them? Of course not, because you are misleaded by media but still claiming that you know everything.
We want to live in peace, and create our own state in 1967 borders with East Jerusalem to be our capital, are we asking for much? No.
And for your information, we are recognized by the most of the world as a full Palestinian State with the borders of 1967 and East Jerusalem as our capital.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Palestine_recognitions_only.png)
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I go with what conscience, because if my friend was a murderer, he's not a friend.
Yes they are being forced to leave their land. In 1948, just when all it began, Israelis started with force, not even told them "We claim this out land, get the hell out", they just killed them with the most awful ways, and you can check it up on internet.
There's something you're missing .. We do not disagree with pluralism, we have always (Since the beginning of the conflict) wanted to live together in peace side by side, but Israelis never wanted to do so.
And who told you they didn't try to kill us all together? Just once again you proof you have lack of history information.
Deir Yassin massacre, Abu Shusha massacre, Al-Tira massacre, Balad al-Shaykh massacre massacre, Bayt Nabalam massacre, Ein al-Zeitun massacre.
And money others, have you ever heard of them? Of course not, because you are misleaded by media but still claiming that you know everything.
We want to live in peace, and create our own state in 1967 borders with East Jerusalem to be our capital, are we asking for much? No.
And for your information, we are recognized by the most of the world as a full Palestinian State with the borders of 1967 and East Jerusalem as our capital.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Palestine_recognitions_only.png)
if they wanted you out, why do they give you internet? Why do they provide you with power? Why have they not just carpet bombed you to all hell? They have the ability to do it. What you explain makes no logical sense, you say they want to kill all of you, yet they give you services and have yet to kill you? This does not make sense to me.
That map represent those countries that recognise you as a "State" ,not a country. This only means they understand you are attempting to differentiate yourself from israel. You may also notice with that map that the majority of the worlds Powerful nations don't accept it.
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if they wanted you out, why do they give you internet? Why do they provide you with power? Why have they not just carpet bombed you to all hell? They have the ability to do it. What you explain makes no logical sense, you say they want to kill all of you, yet they give you services and have yet to kill you? This does not make sense to me.
That map represent those countries that recognise you as a "State" ,not a country. This only means they understand you are attempting to differentiate yourself from israel. You may also notice with that map that the majority of the worlds Powerful nations don't accept it.
You think any of this is free? We get water, power, and internet from them for triple price, once again, something you don't know.
I pay for a 256kb/s internet connection 48$ a month. And same applies on other services.
They also obligates us to use their currency (Shekel) so we help them rising their economy. It's all planned and studied, just your thick mind refuses to get it in.
We provide them with 19% percent of their economy in total, because we are obligated to and has no any other choice.
They don't kill us all for this, and also, to show the community that .. "There, they are living in their land, nobody is touching them, see?".
Israel has already put itself in too much troubles in Middle East, including Iran's Nuclear Program, I don't think it currently needs any more troubles, or it would be wiped out in a single night by all the countries it has conflicts with.
You have proved that you have no any knowledge about this conflict, and I am not going to continue this discussion with you because of the lack of knowledge you got about this case. Hope you understand this.
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You have proved that you have no any knowledge about this conflict, and I am not going to continue this discussion with you because of the lack of knowledge you got about this case. Hope you understand this.
Hey, If you give up that easy. you have no hopes of saving your supposed country.
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Hey, If you give up that easy. you have no hopes of saving your supposed country.
I didn't give up, I'm just sick of wasting my time.
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So now, are we back on the Arafat killers?
Al-Qaeda?
KGB?
Massad?
The Simpsons?
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I didn't give up, I'm just sick of wasting my time.
Theres a difference?
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That map represent those countries that recognise you as a "State" ,not a country. This only means they understand you are attempting to differentiate yourself from israel. You may also notice with that map that the majority of the worlds Powerful nations don't accept it.
Well it isn't hard to guess why. Those "powerful" nations do what USA says, hardly they have their own opinion of the situation. If by powerful you mean on military strength then I see much more powerful states that recognize Palestine.
Also I would like to know what is your point of discussing here? I've read all topic but not sure what are you trying to prove :trust:
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Well, I don't think you remember well then.
Hammas-PA problems started in 2006-2007, which are 2-3 years after Arafat was killed. Problems between Hammas and PA were never exist before then.
:rofl:
In 1993 Arafat signed peace with Israel. Who started to do suicide bombings to undermine this peace ? HAMAS.
Who were until his death the largest political enemy of Arafat because unlike him they did not want to have peace with Israel? HAMAS.
Sure people lie to you. and you believe them.
Nations started to rise after the beginning of the 20th century. In 1917 (Just at the beginning of 20th century), the Levant was invaded by British forces under the name of "British Mandate". This was completely negative for the whole Levant, including Palestine.
So how do you expect us to be able to build modern cities during an invasion?
And before the British invasion you were part of the Ottoman Empire, and before that, and before that....
So you were never a country.
How do you think countries like Egypt, India and others were able to build things under British rule and you were not ?
We are a nation that had a rough time in our history, out of an invasion, and in another.
You were never a nation. You just belonged to several other countries, like now you belong to Israel.
Islam never, ever, stated that other nations/peoples are slaves. Islam is against slavery, and it started being forbidden 1500 years ago.
Islam teaches us to be friendly to other nations, weather their religions are. But if they attempt to harm us, we won't go along with it and say its fine.
Get your facts right.
Ever heard of the Khalifa ? Do not tell me jokes about Islam, I can beat you on that subject any day.
My facts are right, its yours who are screwed.
Sorry, just two possibilities, either you are drunk, or high.
I've been to Gaza in 2010 to check out my relatives after the war, 3 members of my aunt's family were missing.
Houses, mosques, universities, UN HQ's & branches, even hospitals were doomed.
(http://barenakedislam.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/luxury-gaza-shopping-mall.png?w=590)
(http://ikhwanweb.com/uploads/flash/2008/10/18/azhar%20university%20in%20gaza.jpg)
Stop fighting for my own right after all what my people suffered? And after all what I personally & my family suffered? Just No, unless a truthful honest peace is signed by both governments, where my country gets it's full rights, an official Palestinian State on the borders of 1967.
Your government will never sign such peace. They prefer to continue the hate.
If you are willing to start a flamewar, I'm out of this. I won't really go down to such level and start insulting other nations according to wrong thoughts that I got from a disinformation'ed media.
Be man? Hmm .. Probably a description that many spoiled westerns misses it.
Real men are made here, in Palestine.
We have suffered enough along the past decades.
We are the only occupied nation on earth till today.
Ever heard of Kurdistan ? Ever heard of Moluks? Ever heard of Tamil? Ever heard of Serbians in Kosovo?
Apart from that you were never a nation, you are not the only people who consider themselves occupied.
Trust me .. Real men are made in Palestine.
Perhaps if they are Jewish who are born there.
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In 1993 Arafat signed peace with Israel. Who started to do suicide bombings to undermine this peace ? HAMAS.
Who were until his death the largest political enemy of Arafat because unlike him they did not want to have peace with Israel? HAMAS.
Sure people lie to you. and you believe them.And before the British invasion you were part of the Ottoman Empire, and before that, and before that....
So you were never a country.
How do you think countries like Egypt, India and others were able to build things under British rule and you were not ?
Ever heard of the Khalifa ? Do not tell me jokes about Islam, I can beat you on that subject any day.
We never had the chance to.
Palestine is the most strategic place in the world. It connects 3 continents together, it's also the birthplace of three monotheistic religions.
All nations wanted to put hands on Palestine along the history, and that's a historical fact, but I'm not sure if you are educated enough to know it.
You were never a nation. You just belonged to several other countries, like now you belong to Israel.
We belong to Palestine, which is completely occupied by Israel.
My facts are right, its yours who are screwed.
(http://barenakedislam.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/luxury-gaza-shopping-mall.png?w=590)
(http://ikhwanweb.com/uploads/flash/2008/10/18/azhar%20university%20in%20gaza.jpg)
You think any of these will last forever? They will be taken down by Israel just in few years from now, just like Arafat's International Airport.
Your government will never sign such peace. They prefer to continue the hate.
Apart from that you were never a nation, you are not the only people who consider themselves occupied.Perhaps if they are Jewish who are born there.
LOL, seriously .. You just proved that you've got no any relation to history.
Aren't Israelis the ones who came from all around the world to Israel? From Europe, US, Africa, and even Asia. They don't have 1 family tree.
Palestinians has always been a nation. A nation that some of you hates, but most of you supports.
You are probably sad for getting lack of attention in this topic, so you are trying to ascend the tone of the dialogue, that's just pathetic.
You are embarrassing yourself.
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We never had the chance to.
Palestine is the most strategic place in the world. It connects 3 continents together, it's also the birthplace of three monotheistic religions.
All nations wanted to put hands on Palestine along the history, and that's a historical fact, but I'm not sure if you are educated enough to know it.
We belong to Palestine, which is completely occupied by Israel.
Palestine does not exist, except in your mind. That you wish to become a nation is something different.
You think any of these will last forever? They will be taken down by Israel just in few years from now, just like Arafat's International Airport.
You denied they existed. Now you tell they will be taken down? Get a grip on that Palestinians are trying to hide that they are very capable of leading a normal life as long as they stop hating and attacking.
LOL, seriously .. You just proved that you've got no any relation to history.
Aren't Israelis the ones who came from all around the world to Israel? From Europe, US, Africa, and even Asia. They don't have 1 family tree.
Palestinians has always been a nation. A nation that some of you hates, but most of you supports.
Palestinians just like Jewish are people. Some are scattered around the world, some have remained true to their birth area. Some live in the Palestine territories, some live in Israel.
What you should understand is that I do not deny you the right to form a country. I just disapprove of the constant victim card Palestinians play, as well as that most refuse to allow Israel to exist.
And the last is exactly the reason why Israel will never allow Palestina to become independent, and it will take a long time until you have a free transport. As soon as Palestina declares they will live in peace with Israel, and will no longer dispute the existence, you might get real support. Right now more and more people and countries see how many false facts are fabricated, and how Palestinians can do nothing but hate. That makes you lose support until it is at a level where you really might be killed
You are probably sad for getting lack of attention in this topic, so you are trying to ascend the tone of the dialogue, that's just pathetic.
You are embarrassing yourself.
So far I embarrassed you on every 'fact' you are telling. Sorry but such things do not work on me. My tone is my tone, and what I tell you are facts. That you do not wish to accept them I understand, as you are stuck in being a brainwashed victim.
I do feel sorry that you lost family due to this conflict, and I wish for all to stop the fighting and find a peaceful solution. But to stop the fighting you must be willing to be more than a victim.
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Palestine does not exist, except in your mind. That you wish to become a nation is something different.
It's exist in every Palestine-supporter's mind, but not in haters' minds like you.
You denied they existed. Now you tell they will be taken down? Get a grip on that Palestinians are trying to hide that they are very capable of leading a normal life as long as they stop hating and attacking.
I checked it out, these 2 malls were opened in mid of June, so yea, I didn't hear about it.
Palestinians just like Jewish are people. Some are scattered around the world, some have remained true to their birth area. Some live in the Palestine territories, some live in Israel.
These are settlers, can you explain me how legal are they?
Aren't they living in West Bank which is in law a complete territory under Palestinian Authority control.
But they still build their settlements in our territories and take over many villages with protection of IDF, and mostly settlers are armed.
What you should understand is that I do not deny you the right to form a country. I just disapprove of the constant victim card Palestinians play, as well as that most refuse to allow Israel to exist.
We are a victim!
If you are going to tell me "You shoot rockets at Israel!", Hammas is the only one who shoots rockets that can barely destroy a wall or a room (And usually hits empty areas). Hammas's military force is not more than 50k person, what about the rest of Palestinians? The one who want peace and has nothing to do with these shitty rockets that only destroy peace?
Let me clear this out, I am against Hammas, as the most rest of Palestinian people.
And the last is exactly the reason why Israel will never allow Palestina to become independent, and it will take a long time until you have a free transport. As soon as Palestina declares they will live in peace with Israel, and will no longer dispute the existence, you might get real support. Right now more and more people and countries see how many false facts are fabricated, and how Palestinians can do nothing but hate. That makes you lose support until it is at a level where you really might be killed
Since Oslo 1994, we are shouting that we want peace, and we want to live with Israel in peace, side by side.
But what did we get? Intifada 1, 2, Gaza War 2008, and other minor events which killed, injured, and jailed lots of Palestinians.
So far I embarrassed you on every 'fact' you are telling. Sorry but such things do not work on me. My tone is my tone, and what I tell you are facts. That you do not wish to accept them I understand, as you are stuck in being a brainwashed victim.
I can say the same to you too. I consider you brainwashed as you believe all what Israel tries to spread in media around the whole world.
So you are simply also brainwashed in my view.
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It's exist in every Palestine-supporter's mind, but not in haters' minds like you.
I do not hate. Or I hate all equally. But no difference for me.
I checked it out, these 2 malls were opened in mid of June, so yea, I didn't hear about it.
If you do not have any knowledge of what happens there, then do not try to spread misinformation.
These are settlers, can you explain me how legal are they?
Aren't they living in West Bank which is in law a complete territory under Palestinian Authority control.
But they still build their settlements in our territories and take over many villages with protection of IDF, and mostly settlers are armed.
Sorry if I wrote it in a way you did not understand. I was talking about Palestinians
We are a victim!
If you are going to tell me "You shoot rockets at Israel!", Hammas is the only one who shoots rockets that can barely destroy a wall or a room (And usually hits empty areas). Hammas's military force is not more than 50k person, what about the rest of Palestinians? The one who want peace and has nothing to do with these shitty rockets that only destroy peace?
You are not a victim of anyone but yourself. If you had been awake and present in 1948 you would have had a country. If you had been awake and present in 1918 you might have had one. But eveyone was just herding their goats and did not mind anything until they saw you can build a city.
Let me clear this out, I am against Hammas, as the most rest of Palestinian people.
Then how do they win elections?
Since Oslo 1994, we are shouting that we want peace, and we want to live with Israel in peace, side by side.
But what did we get? Intifada 1, 2, Gaza War 2008, and other minor events which killed, injured, and jailed lots of Palestinians.
Intifada 1 ended in 1993. I already know you are very bad in history of your own area, but still...
And at the same time many minor events which killed and injured lots of Jewish.
Their lives are equally important as those of Palestinians.
If you want to live in peace, then you have to live peaceful. If you want to fight, you can not get peace.
I can say the same to you too. I consider you brainwashed as you believe all what Israel tries to spread in media around the whole world.
So you are simply also brainwashed in my view.
Prove me wrong.
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Rami, Answer me one more question. If you had the power to end the conflict. If Israel came to YOU and said...
"if you agree to accept that your land is part of Israel and can agree to live there knowing we control it, we will stop all violence and let you live in peace"
What would your decision be?
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Rami, Answer me one more question. If you had the power to end the conflict. If Israel came to YOU and said...
"if you agree to accept that your land is part of Israel and can agree to live there knowing we control it, we will stop all violence and let you live in peace"
What would your decision be?
I would tell them to fuck off, Israel is an illegal apartheid state that subjugates non-Jews.
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If you do not have any knowledge of what happens there, then do not try to spread misinformation.
They were opened few weeks ago, and I hate lots of final exams for school.
You are not a victim of anyone but yourself. If you had been awake and present in 1948 you would have had a country. If you had been awake and present in 1918 you might have had one. But eveyone was just herding their goats and did not mind anything until they saw you can build a city.
Don't blame me for my ancestors did in 1918.
1948, it was the beginning of the whole case, of course we refused the splitting-decision.
Like, if you had a cake, and someone offensively took it from you, would you give it up? No, at first you would tell him to give it back, then if he refuses, you might shout at him, and that's what we did.
Then how do they win elections?
Elections were in 2006.
Hammas lost it's popularity after the Coup of 2007 when Hammas took over Gaza Strip.
Intifada 1 ended in 1993. I already know you are very bad in history of your own area, but still...
And at the same time many minor events which killed and injured lots of Jewish.
Their lives are equally important as those of Palestinians.
If you want to live in peace, then you have to live peaceful. If you want to fight, you can not get peace.
Take a look at this chart (http://www.ifamericansknew.org/images/children_by_year-lg.gif) please.
Prove me wrong.
Yet again, I can also ask you to prove me wrong.
And when you try to, I'm gonna tell you my facts, and you'll say something else to try to prove me wrong again, and that how it goes.
You see .. Everyone has his own opinion, and his own believes that he won't let it go.
I got my own believes and opinions that I won't let go.
And probably same applies on you too.
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I would tell them to f**k off, Israel is an illegal apartheid state that subjugates non-Jews.
Was not asking you, learn to read sir.
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Rami, Answer me one more question. If you had the power to end the conflict. If Israel came to YOU and said...
"if you agree to accept that your land is part of Israel and can agree to live there knowing we control it, we will stop all violence and let you live in peace"
What would your decision be?
No.
Israel is ON my land, and I am not on it's land.
we will stop all violence and let you live in peace
Seriously? After all what was done?
And you think they would really leave us in peace?
Do you know how much are people in green line (Palestinians who fought the impossible to remain in their houses, which is currently in whats so called "Israel") are suffering each day from getting their houses destroyed and their children hit while they're on their way to school? Do you imagine how hard their lives are?
And the same thing will apply on us in case what you said happened, which will never, ever, happen.
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Bottom line is; as long as the state of Israel exists, there will never be peace in the middle east. I have no balls to post normal.
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No.
Israel is ON my land, and I am not on it's land.
Seriously? After all what was done?
And you think they would really leave us in peace?
Do you know how much are people in green line (Palestinians who fought the impossible to remain in their houses, which is currently in whats so called "Israel") are suffering each day from getting their houses destroyed and their children hit while they're on their way to school? Do you imagine how hard their lives are?
And the same thing will apply on us in case what you said happened, which will never, ever, happen.
So Rami, if you would say no, that makes YOU responsible for the deaths of the Women and Children that will now die and YOU had the chance to save. You are now a murderer who is no better then what you claim Israel to be. You say you are against violence yet you would rather watch your own people, your own women and children die over what a piece of land is called? You could have saved those people yet you decided not to. If every other Palestinian feels this way, no wonder your people die, you have no excuse to complain to be the victim when you allow these things to happen to yourself.
You can continue to play the blame game about Israel but that response proves to me that you have no remorse for the lives of your people and would rather they die to keep the name of a tiny spit of land.
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They were opened few weeks ago, and I hate lots of final exams for school.
No they were not. The mall was opened in 2010, the university was already there in 2008.
Don't blame me for my ancestors did in 1918.
1948, it was the beginning of the whole case, of course we refused the splitting-decision.
Like, if you had a cake, and someone offensively took it from you, would you give it up? No, at first you would tell him to give it back, then if he refuses, you might shout at him, and that's what we did.
Why did you not start any fights until 1967 ? You got 20 years in which you were sitting on your ass looking at the sky, and only when you noticed Israel got rich you started objecting.
I do blame you for your ancestors, as if they had not been lazy you would not sit screaming as a little girl that Israel is unfair.
Elections were in 2006.
Hammas lost it's popularity after the Coup of 2007 when Hammas took over Gaza Strip.
Yet they won elections over Fatah who was for peaceful cooperation. So Palestine people chose for Hamas who do not want Israel to exist at all.
Take a look at this chart (http://www.ifamericansknew.org/images/children_by_year-lg.gif) please.
It shows how often Hamas is using children to hide behind.
Yet again, I can also ask you to prove me wrong.
And when you try to, I'm gonna tell you my facts, and you'll say something else to try to prove me wrong again, and that how it goes.
You see .. Everyone has his own opinion, and his own believes that he won't let it go.
I got my own believes and opinions that I won't let go.
And probably same applies on you too.
I have proven you wrong on almost every point you bring forward. If you prove me wrong I will accept it.
Opinion is good, but base it on facts. And as said, there are many things why I would support the Palestine people, and even Israel would support them.
But it would take a change in mentality.
If you know that your brother will kill you if he gets a knife in his hands, would you let someone deliver a package to him without checking it ?
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Israel doesn't gives a single shit about this, neither I on this topic, but due the fact you are trying to get self support, I dunno, if you feel better with that, you are completely wrong by doing it here, I don't see the exact news here, I see you are just trying to prove Israel should be demolished and Palestine must own it, ofc not. :conf:
Gandalf is right, he has proven the correct points, most of them are completely negative to yours, which means your story is not needed, once again, good I have an reliable source. :trust:
(( That is not something private against Rami ))
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So Rami, if you would say no, that makes YOU responsible for the deaths of the Women and Children that will now die and YOU had the chance to save. You are now a murderer who is no better then what you claim Israel to be. You say you are against violence yet you would rather watch your own people, your own women and children die over what a piece of land is called? You could have saved those people yet you decided not to. If every other Palestinian feels this way, no wonder your people die, you have no excuse to complain to be the victim when you allow these things to happen to yourself.
You can continue to play the blame game about Israel but that response proves to me that you have no remorse for the lives of your people and would rather they die to keep the name of a tiny spit of land.
So if I refuse getting my country occupied, I get my people killed?
Sounds fair.
Israel doesn't gives a single shit about this, neither I on this topic.
Why are you posting here then?
No they were not. The mall was opened in 2010, the university was already there in 2008.
Who said anything about universities?
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=221934 (http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=221934)
Why did you not start any fights until 1967 ? You got 20 years in which you were sitting on your ass looking at the sky, and only when you noticed Israel got rich you started objecting.
I do blame you for your ancestors, as if they had not been lazy you would not sit screaming as a little girl that Israel is unfair.
If I could go back in time, I wouldn't refuse the 1967 UN offer.
So no, don't blame me, because this is senseless.
Yet they won elections over Fatah who was for peaceful cooperation. So Palestine people chose for Hamas who do not want Israel to exist at all.
It shows how often Hamas is using children to hide behind.
We were just out of the Second Intifada, do you have any idea how mad the people were? Yes they wanted to wipe out Israel so they choose Hammas (Weather if Hammas was able to do so or not, it was the only military power fighting Israel on land).
But people change.
I have proven you wrong on almost every point you bring forward. If you prove me wrong I will accept it.
Opinion is good, but base it on facts. And as said, there are many things why I would support the Palestine people, and even Israel would support them.
But it would take a change in mentality.
If you know that your brother will kill you if he gets a knife in his hands, would you let someone deliver a package to him without checking it ?
You have never proven me wrong, unless you think that you did.
For me, my opinions are based on facts. Facts that I witnessed.
But how did you get your facts? Internet? Media? Hmm .. Tell me about how honest they are.
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So if I refuse getting my country occupied, I get my people killed?
Sounds fair.
If you say this then why are you complaining about Israel killing Palestinian Women and Children? You made a big deal of it before now you seem to not even care about them.
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If you say this then why are you complaining about Israel killing Palestinian Women and Children? You made a big deal of it before now you seem to not even care about them.
Huh? I do care about my people and country more than anything else.
But have you even read my post?
If I refuse getting my land which is West Bank right now (Which is under full Palestinian Authority control and can never enter such deal) I get my family killed? How does that even sound fair?
West Bank & Gaza Strip are supposed to be under full Palestinian Authority control according to Oslo conference in 1994, where that was signed between Israeli's and Palestinians.
Please .. Quit posting here .. In each post you proof how much knowledge you got about this case, Zero.
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Huh? I do care about my people and country more than anything else.
But have you even read my post?
If I refuse getting my land which is West Bank right now (Which is under full Palestinian Authority control and can never enter such deal) I get my family killed? How does that even sound fair?
No, if you understood English and read what I posted I said if you accept that Israel control Palestine, your people WONT die. Yet you said you would refuse this deal, meaning you would rather your people die then agree to be controlled by Israel.
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No, if you understood English and read what I posted I said if you accept that Israel control Palestine, your people WONT die. Yet you said you would refuse this deal, meaning you would rather your people die then agree to be controlled by Israel.
Yet again, you running from answering my question.
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Yet again, you running from answering my question.
What fucking question? Your the one whos not even answering my basic question even when I repeat it to you. The only question you asked me I answered by repeating my previous one since you cant seem to read English.
Even now your avoiding the very question you quoted. Hypocrite.
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What f**king question? Your the one whos not even answering my basic question even when I repeat it to you. The only question you asked me I answered by repeating my previous one since you cant seem to read English.
Even now your avoiding the very question you quoted. Hypocrite.
You need a serious help.
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You need a serious help.
Still Avoiding my question
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Still Avoiding my question
Oh god ..
Sir, I have answered your question, twice.
But if you still can't find the answer .. You shouldn't be using forums.
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Oh god ..
Sir, I have answered your question, twice.
But if you still can't find the answer .. You shouldn't be using forums.
OK, So you agree that you would rather have your peoples women and children slaughtered then comply with Israel, OK, as long as we are on the same page about that. I thought you had changed your answer before by saying the question I had asked was different, but we can stick with the original answer you gave if you want, the one that makes you a murderer and proves the reason why your people will never succeed.
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OK, So you agree that you would rather have your peoples women and children slaughtered then comply with Israel, OK, as long as we are on the same page about that. I thought you had changed your answer before by saying the question I had asked was different, but we can stick with the original answer you gave if you want, the one that makes you a murderer and proves the reason why your people will never succeed.
Your question is not even valid.
Why? I already explained twice.
West Bank & Gaza Strip are under Palestinian Authority control, a legal & official decision cannot be done about such thing.
It's not that simple to let Israel take over West Bank & Gaza Strip.
Unless they used ultimate force against we, the innocent civilians, and took over the remaining land of ours, which internationally belongs to Palestinians.
And not thrice.
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Who said anything about universities?
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=221934 (http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=221934)
You did by telling you habe nothing in Gaza. I show that people there have everything they need to live a normal life.
If I could go back in time, I wouldn't refuse the 1967 UN offer.
So no, don't blame me, because this is senseless.
As long as you blame Israel and not your ancestors, I will blame you.
We were just out of the Second Intifada, do you have any idea how mad the people were? Yes they wanted to wipe out Israel so they choose Hammas (Weather if Hammas was able to do so or not, it was the only military power fighting Israel on land).
But people change.
I do not see any change. The second Intifada was created by Hamas, so they played you.
You have never proven me wrong, unless you think that you did.
For me, my opinions are based on facts. Facts that I witnessed.
But how did you get your facts? Internet? Media? Hmm .. Tell me about how honest they are.
Then show me any point you made I did not prove wrong.
Media are not honest, especially when they show the Palestine movies.
Huh? I do care about my people and country more than anything else.
But have you even read my post?
If I refuse getting my land which is West Bank right now (Which is under full Palestinian Authority control and can never enter such deal) I get my family killed? How does that even sound fair?
West Bank & Gaza Strip are supposed to be under full Palestinian Authority control according to Oslo conference in 1994, where that was signed between Israeli's and Palestinians.
Please .. Quit posting here .. In each post you proof how much knowledge you got about this case, Zero.
You never had a country. Get that in your head first. So you have no country to care about except the one you might get. Now how to get a country?
1. By force. For this you would need more than some citizens, as without external support they will never manage. So unless you find a country that has a stronger army as Israel and USA together you will not succeed. Go and shoot rockets, get squashed every 3 years or so. Israel happy, you unhappy.
2. By politics. For this you would need to ensure support as well, but its much easier. Show that you are not the ones attacking, show that you are not the ones breaking agreements.
Be peaceful and ask initially autonomy, without giving groups like Hamas the chance to get support for the idea that Israel should not exist. Show you want to live in peace, not to live without peace for others.
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You did by telling you habe nothing in Gaza. I show that people there have everything they need to live a normal life.
I said I've seen destroyed ones, not "Have nothing in Gaza".
Show that you are not the ones attacking,
We were never the ones who attacks.
With what are we attacking and terrorizing? Stones? I see.
show that you are not the ones breaking agreements.
Israel broke uncountable temp-peace-agreements that Egypt helped both sides to sign (Hammas and What so called Israel), and each time, Israel was breaking them claiming that it Hammas is the one who broke it at first, and that what it spreads to the whole outsider world.
This will be my last reply to this discussion.
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I said I've seen destroyed ones, not "Have nothing in Gaza".
By focusing on the destroyed ones you try to paint a picture of Gaza being nothing but ruins, similar to what many media attempt.
We were never the ones who attacks.
With what are we attacking and terrorizing? Stones? I see.
Yes you attack with stones and small rockets. If you think that is not an attack then I will throw a number of stones at you, and you should not feel attacked.
Israel broke uncountable temp-peace-agreements that Egypt helped both sides to sign (Hammas and What so called Israel), and each time, Israel was breaking them claiming that it Hammas is the one who broke it at first, and that what it spreads to the whole outsider world.
Perhaps they were right in their claim. Unless you feel that stones and small rockets do not count.
This will be my last reply to this discussion.
Good, as you refuse to listen to reason anyway.
By the way this is the second time you make such a statement.
Let's see if you can hold your word this time.
If not, one more chance Israel is right.
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So, Eddie Murphy poisoned Arafat?
No, you do not get to say that. Respect others, debate is the key not provoking.
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Now as for your pity war.
Palestine was never a country. People living there were too lazy to form one, and neighbours considered it a worthless piece of desert. Only after the Israelians showed you can build cities and plant trees people got interest in the piece of desert and try to take it away.
People worked hard to build a country, to make the soil fertile, to build houses and roads.
And some lazy asses were sitting and looking, and became jealous since all they had were 3 camels and a goat. So they decided to shout they were there first and wanted their country.
:eek: This sentence actually changed how I feel against Palestine.
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:eek: This sentence actually changed how I feel against Palestine.
If a people are happy how they live their lives, why should they have to conform to western standards of civilization? They were not in any race and were fine that way. It was not until a bunch of Zionists petitioned, using the holocaust as validation, to take land that they had no part of in 2000 years. Of course it was mutually beneficial since the United States would get a permanent outpost in the middle east.
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The entire conflict started when the current israelis captured the territory occupied by the palestinians. The current palestinians are currently struggling for their freedom. As many nations have done before them. It is shameful that America, which not only brought their independent country into existence through a revolution, but also claims to be sympathetic to the plight of the oppressed, not only supports the israelis but alsO scared off those willing to help. @safetymoose : you claim that rami is blinded by his media, did u ever consider being blinded by yours. Rami lives in a warzone, and has firsthand experience of the situation. It is classic control, attempts to boost their economy, not different from what the americans faced and what washington fought for.
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@Robert Dimaria : LMB.
. The entire conflict started when the current israelis captured the territory occupied by the palestinians. The current palestinians are currently struggling for their freedom. As many nations have done before them. It is shameful that America, which not only brought their independent country into existence through a revolution, but also claims to be sympathetic to the plight of the oppressed, not only supports the israelis but alsO scared off those willing to help. @safetymoose : you claim that rami is blinded by his media, did u ever consider being blinded by yours. Rami lives in a warzone, and has firsthand experience of the situation. It is classic control, attempts to boost their economy, not different from what the americans faced and what washington fought for.
I would trust my news agencies over those of a small rebellious state any day.
You should brush up on your American History my friend, you will then find out that the US had a Deceleration of Independence in which the states voted on Independence. They did not have a revolution in the same sense as normally portrayed, as conflict only really started once the British arrived the take back Control. The Americans had every intention of resolving it peacefully, hens the declaration if Independence. You make it seem as though they started a war using violence, rather then using political debate and democratic process first. Palestine does not operate in the same manner, using violence as an attempt to get independence instead of using diplomacy first.
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These news agencies?
Fox News lies about riots in Russia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk-qRU2nAUQ#)
Democracy and diplomacy like in Afghanistan? Iraq? Libya? I understand what are you talking about but USA teaching us on democracy? Really?
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Is this true? Cause I've seen news reporters making things look way more dramatic. For example. They pan & cropped a picture of 3 Soldiers helping a heavily injured civilian from Afghanistan, but they pan and cropped it making it look like the soldiers were hitting the guy.
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These news agencies?
Fox News lies about riots in Russia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk-qRU2nAUQ#)
Democracy and diplomacy like in Afghanistan? Iraq? Libya? I understand what are you talking about but USA teaching us on democracy? Really?
This one is true.
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If a people are happy how they live their lives, why should they have to conform to western standards of civilization? They were not in any race and were fine that way. It was not until a bunch of Zionists petitioned, using the holocaust as validation, to take land that they had no part of in 2000 years. Of course it was mutually beneficial since the United States would get a permanent outpost in the middle east.
They could have lived their lives as they did and not be disturbed. And your interpretation of the facts is about as correct as that the American Native Indians agreed to live in small special areas by thir own proposal.
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The entire conflict started when the current israelis captured the territory occupied by the palestinians. The current palestinians are currently struggling for their freedom. As many nations have done before them. It is shameful that America, which not only brought their independent country into existence through a revolution, but also claims to be sympathetic to the plight of the oppressed, not only supports the israelis but alsO scared off those willing to help. @safetymoose : you claim that rami is blinded by his media, did u ever consider being blinded by yours. Rami lives in a warzone, and has firsthand experience of the situation. It is classic control, attempts to boost their economy, not different from what the americans faced and what washington fought for.
Again wrong. The Palestinians never occupied territory that was captured. They lived, and continue to live, in an area that was formed as the country of Israel.
As for warzone, read my topic 'this means war' . The area there is not a war zone, an armed conflict at worst. The Palestinians are struggling to get something they never had, and while I am not opposed to this, the methods they use are clearly invalid.
Rami (who has kept his word) never answere the questions about the knife. Perhaps you will have a go?
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Fox News lies about riots in Russia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk-qRU2nAUQ#)
Simples....
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They could have lived their lives as they did and not be disturbed.
They could have, if it were not for the influx of Jews into Palestine and the uprooting of their communities because the land they were living on was now declared "Israel."
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We were never the ones who attacks.
With what are we attacking and terrorizing? Stones? I see.
Someone is forgetting about the 1972 Munich Olympics :roll:
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I decided to drop posting here and thought that you are guys smart enough to quit posting too since you're not discussing anyone that can defend.
Someone is forgetting about the 1972 Munich Olympics :roll:
We throw stones, they throw White Phosphor, Merkavas? Apaches? F-16's? And even more illegal weapons against civilians?
I see how fair is this equation.
Please lock this topic, I already decided to drop this discussion thinking that you guys seem to be smart enough to understand that you also must drop it since there's no one to defend Palestine because I dropped it.
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We throw stones, they throw White Phosphor, Merkavas? Apaches? F-16's? And even more illegal weapons against civilians?
I see how fair is this equation.
you used more than stones in 1972... Maybe you should read up on your own history bud... Unless of course you can kidnapp an olympic team with Stones :rofl:
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Fox News lies about riots in Russia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk-qRU2nAUQ#)
FOX 'news' as a source...really? They're almost as good as the Daily Mail for a bit of comedy.
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Simples....
Yeah :D But not only fox news sadly... TV and Internet are stopped being used for proper/true informing a long long time ago...
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They could have, if it were not for the influx of Jews into Palestine and the uprooting of their communities because the land they were living on was now declared "Israel."
If they would live together as many Palestinians do, and not require to live separated in their own zone, what would be the problem?
Here in Holland we have many areas where people live who came from other countries, and in some areas they are more than 90% of all who live there. Does that mean we should throw stones at them?
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I decided to drop posting here and thought that you are guys smart enough to quit posting too since you're not discussing anyone that can defend.
We throw stones, they throw White Phosphor, Merkavas? Apaches? F-16's? And even more illegal weapons against civilians?
I see how fair is this equation.
Please lock this topic, I already decided to drop this discussion thinking that you guys seem to be smart enough to understand that you also must drop it since there's no one to defend Palestine because I dropped it.
There are more people here who can defend Palestine as yourself.
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Sorry, but the country such as Israel has been a mistake, made by the US so they can another country to milk. Dont get mad at the truth, but thats just teh way it is.
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Sorry, but the country such as Israel has been a mistake, made by the US so they can another country to milk. Dont get mad at the truth, but thats just teh way it is.
The only mistake was not setting firm and non-negotiable borders. ;)
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The only mistake was not setting firm and non-negotiable borders. ;)
Still, Isrealis, got to open their eyes, because at this moment, theyre are blinded by power...
US is using Israeli to take over Middle East. Why do you think it would waste money on it?
It is using Israeli as a war machine to milk some more oil form the middle east without even being directly involved...
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Still, Isrealis, got to open their eyes, because at this moment, theyre are blinded by power...
US is using Israeli to take over Middle East. Why do you think it would waste money on it?
It is using Israeli as a war machine to milk some more oil form the middle east without even being directly involved...
Everyone is just jealous because they didnt think of it first. its a fucking brilliant idea.
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Still, Isrealis, got to open their eyes, because at this moment, theyre are blinded by power...
US is using Israeli to take over Middle East. Why do you think it would waste money on it?
It is using Israeli as a war machine to milk some more oil form the middle east without even being directly involved...
If you could see the real stream of money, you would find some very different things.
But the US arms companies deliver to all, so yeah they are interested....
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You think any of this is free? We get water, power, and internet from them for triple price, once again, something you don't know.
I pay for a 256kb/s internet connection 48$ a month. And same applies on other services.
They also obligates us to use their currency (Shekel) so we help them rising their economy. It's all planned and studied, just your thick mind refuses to get it in.
We provide them with 19% percent of their economy in total, because we are obligated to and has no any other choice.
They don't kill us all for this, and also, to show the community that .. "There, they are living in their land, nobody is touching them, see?".
Israel has already put itself in too much troubles in Middle East, including Iran's Nuclear Program, I don't think it currently needs any more troubles, or it would be wiped out in a single night by all the countries it has conflicts with.
You have proved that you have no any knowledge about this conflict, and I am not going to continue this discussion with you because of the lack of knowledge you got about this case. Hope you understand this.
Most of what you just said is complete bullshit, the fact is that you pay more for water and net is might be possible but everything else is WRONG!!
How did Israel put itself into trouble by stopping Iran from developing nuclear bombs? I would like to have answer! If Iran will contiune to do what they are doing now, Palestine will suffer as the same as Israel.
You also tell me that the peacefuly Palestians are resolving conflicts with peace? Nice... Tell me about that, and the 700+ missles which were targeted over the southern part of Israel to resolve conflict.
Tell me, why should you be granted to re-open Yasser Araffat International Airport? To let terrorists transport easier from Sinay? That would be brilliant idea!
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Most of what you just said is complete bullshit, the fact is that you pay more for water and net is might be possible but everything else is WRONG!!
How did Israel put itself into trouble by stopping Iran from developing nuclear bombs? I would like to have answer! If Iran will contiune to do what they are doing now, Palestine will suffer as the same as Israel.
You also tell me that the peacefuly Palestians are resolving conflicts with peace? Nice... Tell me about that, and the 700+ missles which were targeted over the southern part of Israel to resolve conflict.
Tell me, why should you be granted to re-open Yasser Araffat International Airport? To let terrorists transport easier from Sinay? That would be brilliant idea!
1- How do you know that Iran is making nuclear bombs? Do you really trust a big box you call T.V?
2- How about the part where the Israeli killed Palestine people? You really expect there shouldn't be any retaliation?
3- How do you know that terrorists would use a plane?
As for you Rami.
التوقعات ÙÂÂيمكانها الصØÂÂÙŠØÂÂ. ويقال انسوريا ستكونÙÂÂيالØÂÂرب ØÂÂتى انها دمرت. وسو٠يأتيالوقت عندما ستصل إلى مقربة منالمدينة المنورة. هذا هوالإمام المهديسيأتيوالجيش منالشمال الشرقي. ÙÂÂلا شيء يمنعهم.
لديها شقيق إيمان. آس٠لبعض الكلمات التيلا يمكنأنيكونله معنى، أنا باستخدام مترجم. أنيغÙÂÂر لي.
وأتمنى ÙÂÂيبعض الأØÂÂيانأنالناس مثل (ØÂÂيوانالموظ)ØŒ سو٠يموت قبل أنيتم تØÂÂويل العالم إلى الإسلام. ولكنسأبذل قصارى جهديللسيطرة.
سلام.
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I didn't really bother reading the whole thing but I already know the arguments i'm gonna read.
Let's go back in time. 66 years back. It was Palestine wasn't it ? "Israel" Wasn't even a country. Why do people keep claiming that Israel is a country ? It's a group of Jewish people that invaded PALESTINE. Technically it's the Palestinian land not the Israeli land. To be honest I'm disappointed from all the Arab countries for not giving a shit about Palestine and neglecting them. I for one would safely say (No Racism intended) that I would be MORE than happy if all the Israeli's drop dead. I'm not an extremist at all. But really. Look at what's happening there. You don't need the media or any other kind of bullshit... I'm not speaking as an Arab only, But as a human with a conscious. You don't see Israeli children being tortured and/or killed. But you see it happening to a lot of Palestinian children don't you ? What about the time the Israeli army used a THIRTEEN YEAR OLD KID as a human shield and tied him to the wind shield of their car ? It's just a mentality that the people living in luxury would never encounter. Imagine your thirteen year old brother was abuse like that ? How wold you react ? Imagine YOU were living in Gaza, Losing one of your friends daily to these Zionist Monsters ?
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Did you know that Israel got the strongest army ever, when i mean strongest i dont mean they can kill everyone. I mean they got a very hard army training. I can make sure a General in USA army will never make that army. Beacuse Israel got a soo good army. Also have you heard about Krav Maga? abbreviated as KM is the collective name for several self-defense and close combat system with roots in Israel
Strongest Army ever ? That's why the LEBANESE Low tech army stopped Israel from taking over south Lebanon in 2006 ? And then the Israeli army claimed that they "Won" for some reason as they were going back to their country empty handed and with bullets up their asses ? If you call that victory I don't know what defeat is.
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Israel existed long time before the arabs were even created.
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Israel existed long time before the arabs were even created.
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Tell me more about how arabs existed before the jews.
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Tell me more about how arabs existed before the jews.
How did Adam existed before Abel? It seems that you are implying that "we Jews, owned this land 2000 years ago, so we come back and take it from the Arabs even if it means killing innocent people including children!" The tribes of Israel were not united under single nation, it was later taken over by the Muslims where they allowed Christians and Jews to live peacefully instead of forcing them out with violence.
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Israel existed long time before the arabs were even created.
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Tell me more about how arabs existed before the jews.
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I didn't really bother reading the whole thing but I already know the arguments i'm gonna read.
Let's go back in time. 66 years back. It was Palestine wasn't it ? "Israel" Wasn't even a country.
No, it was England.
Rest of post useless to respond due to ignorance.
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1- How do you know that Iran is making nuclear bombs? Do you really trust a big box you call T.V?
2- How about the part where the Israeli killed Palestine people? You really expect there shouldn't be any retaliation?
3- How do you know that terrorists would use a plane?
1. Because Russia delivered the technology. Which was not on your TV.
2. Who started? (David vs Goliath?)
2. Why would they not use one?
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2. Who started? (David vs Goliath?)
The Philistines............................ .........?
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Because Russia delivered the technology. Which was not on your TV.
Still there is no solid proof about if Iran is making nuclear bombs or not, might as well go against Russia instead of Iran for delivering the technology. Cuba missile crisis all over again?
Who started? (David vs Goliath?)
Does that justify killing Palestine(Arab) people and taking over large chunks of their land? There is a big difference between the past and the future, now i would expect you telling me to explain about it...
Why would they not use one?
Many reasons, such have no knowledge of flying an airplane, risk etc. Note, i am mentioning about the so called "Arab terrorists". Last thing the terrorists want is to kill themselves and their own people whom they are fighting for. Now i expect some common statement about suicide bombing done by "Islamic radicals" is common.
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Still there is no solid proof about if Iran is making nuclear bombs or not, might as well go against Russia instead of Iran for delivering the technology. Cuba missile crisis all over again?
Does that justify killing Palestine(Arab) people and taking over large chunks of their land? There is a big difference between the past and the future, now i would expect you telling me to explain about it...
Many reasons, such have no knowledge of flying an airplane, risk etc. Note, i am mentioning about the so called "Arab terrorists". Last thing the terrorists want is to kill themselves and their own people whom they are fighting for. Now i expect some common statement about suicide bombing done by "Islamic radicals" is common.
Does being too lazy to claim your country 66 years ago warrant shooting 30 morter grenades daily to Israeli territory?
Does being too lazy to claim your country 66 years ago warrant actually having the chance to obtain large parts of land if you would just stop your attacks?
If the "terrorists" do not want people to be killed, how about stopping to fight and use peaceful ways?
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The Philistines............................ .........?
Uhm, I see that you don't even know the difference between Philistines and Palestinians?
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Uhm, I see that you don't even know the difference between Philistines and Palestinians?
There is a difference? Then were were the Palestinians in that time?
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Does being too lazy to claim your country 66 years ago warrant shooting 30 morter grenades daily to Israeli territory?
Does being too lazy to claim your country 66 years ago warrant actually having the chance to obtain large parts of land if you would just stop your attacks?
If the "terrorists" do not want people to be killed, how about stopping to fight and use peaceful ways?
I can't understand your question... how can one be "lazy" in a war. If i understood right, you are claiming that if the attacks wasn't done in first place, Israel wouldn't be have taken larges parts of lands. The Arabs didn't recognize Israel as a nation. As Israel continued to expand, the Arab countries became vary of it. Now, how did a small nation like that manage to defeat the Arabs? Surely they had help from a greater source. The people whose lands were being taken were opened to many choices. Die, Flee or fight. This brings back to my previous answers, there surely will be a retaliation if one man home is being invaded. Palestine is a minority to them, Islam, is their greatest enemy.
How did peaceful ways ever helped? I refer back to the first part of the question, how did staying peacefully helped in preventing the Israeli occupations?
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I can't understand your question... how can one be "lazy" in a war. If i understood right, you are claiming that if the attacks wasn't done in first place, Israel wouldn't be have taken larges parts of lands. The Arabs didn't recognize Israel as a nation. As Israel continued to expand, the Arab countries became vary of it. Now, how did a small nation like that manage to defeat the Arabs? Surely they had help from a greater source. The people whose lands were being taken were opened to many choices. Die, Flee or fight. This brings back to my previous answers, there surely will be a retaliation if one man home is being invaded. Palestine is a minority to them, Islam, is their greatest enemy.
How did peaceful ways ever helped? I refer back to the first part of the question, how did staying peacefully helped in preventing the Israeli occupations?
There was no war in 1948. There was never a Palestina as country.
And the people also had the option to stay and be part of Israel, an option many have taken in peace.
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No, it was England.
Rest of post useless to respond due to ignorance.
What about before the English arrived to Palestine ? What was it ? A piece of land with Muslim Arabs living on it.
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What about before the English arrived to Palestine ? What was it ? A piece of land with Muslim Arabs living on it.
Before England it was part of the Ottoman Empire. England did not arrive to Palestine, as Palestine did not exist as country. England did conquer territories from the Ottoman Empire though.
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Before England it was part of the Ottoman Empire. England did not arrive to Palestine, as Palestine did not exist as country. England did conquer territories from the Ottoman Empire though.
When it was part of the Ottoman empire. It was referred to as Palestine and a Muslim country. After the first world war the Shaam district was cut out between France and England.
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When it was part of the Ottoman empire. It was referred to as Palestine and a Muslim country. After the first world war the Shaam district was cut out between France and England.
Being part of the Ottoman Empire it was no country by itself.
The area is historically referred to as Palestine by some and Israel by others.