| Development Team Evil Teddy | Headquarters Leon Arallian | Federal Bureau of Investigation Arslan Carter | San Andreas Police Department Trane Kiedis | Flint Liberation Army Mikal O'Defaid |
Criminals who are not FLA Soldier+ and enter Angel Pine can be engaged and arrested by law enforcement without any involvement of FLA regardless of area.
Lol, what a joke.
How is it a joke?
Because it should include people that are affiliated with FLA not just FLA on it's own. (FLA's proper allies)
I can see this chaos happening again even though it's a tad regulated..
Besides this particular agreement, it's a good start as Mikal said.
citizens of flint may intervene for no apparent reasons or maybe just rebellious minds due to recent events. the sapd should understand that there maybe a rise in rebel activities which may or may not be within FLA's knowledge.
Yeah no.. any rise in "rebel activities" who use this bullshit excuse while not actually being part of FLA RP and just to use their grenades and RPGs will be dealt with by HQ.
Nearly 100 percent of civilians population is FLA ally when it comes to shootouts so no, this is the only reasonable solution which means only people actually part of FLA's RP have right to participate in such things.
I agree with you there, a lot of the time random people come and start spraying bullets. What I mean is anyone affiliated with the FLA (Officially allies on the FLA main topic) should also be included. So for example FLA are official allies with Corleone so a Corleone member has no extradition.
I don't agree with a random 'civillian' coming from nowhere that represents none of FLA's allies and start spraying the cops.
An organised crime family has nothing to do with terrorists.How come you posted this on Corleones topic then? :rolleyes:
How come you posted this on Corleones topic then? :rolleyes:To remind them of their purpose and so they don't jump into FLA shootouts anymore.
Is it a possibility to change the FLA Soldier+ into FLA Recruit+? Recruits are still those who roleplay with us, but just don't earn their full rank as Soldiers yet.
Corleone should focus on Mafia roleplay and promoting the type of RP their group stands for and FLA should promote theirs. An organised crime family has nothing to do with terrorists.
for example
Is it a possibility to change the FLA Soldier+ into FLA Recruit+? Recruits are still those who roleplay with us, but just don't earn their full rank as Soldiers yet.
Again this was discussed but makes the quota under FLA flag too large so to keep it reasonable for both sides, soldier rank was picked.
I see.. minimize the amount of people involved which is a significant advantage to you. :app:Yeah, since you don't represent them and since you weren't involved in the discussion to reach this conclusion I suggest you stop attempting to create a mess of this topic by claiming who did what for their own advantage. This is an agreement made by leaders of both relevant sides. You don't like it? Tuff, deal with it.
For now, I don't represent FLA so I'm in a neutral side. My views are my own and does not reflect on what the FLA has to say in regards to this treaty.
To remind them of their purpose and so they don't jump into FLA shootouts anymore.Members of Corleone who are members of FLA have full right to support us.
Members of Corleone who are members of FLA have full right to support us.
Members of Corleone who are members of FLA have full right to support us.Yeah, that's fine, if you mean people like John, Rapture, who actually get involved in FLA RP. I am mostly directly towards the rest of the Corleone Mafia.
An organised crime family has nothing to do with terrorists.Avoiding getting into the argument here, but have you read the book? :P (Godfather) mobsters were sent to help the rebels in Sicily for both political reasons and in order to grasp some training. It makes perfect sense especially when there's not much mafia RP to be had when half of people flat out refuse to roleplay.
Since no one else will say it, I will. @Kaze fuck off. Thanks.Well I for one think he raised a valid point. I did NOT read through the rest of the replies, though.
People actually make progress in the community for the better, something you are incapable of doing.
Yeah, that's fine, if you mean people like John, Rapture, who actually get involved in FLA RP. I am mostly directly towards the rest of the Corleone Mafia.Just FYI, Corleone is not at all involved with FLA directly. Only a few members are part of FLA. Those few members barely make 10% of the Corleone member base, and only half of active member base. I don't know about others but my FLA character is not the same as my Corleone character. I joined FLA with a different name and only changed back to my current name to get active in Corleone.
It's over, finally.It isn't over, this is a peace treaty, we still want independence, but this will stop all the chaotic shooting and TDM's every day, for now.
It isn't overI would better say that its the start of a new chapter with hopefully some god damn peace by both sides. :D
Since no one else will say it, I will. @Kaze fuck off. Thanks.
People actually make progress in the community for the better, something you are incapable of doing.
• Criminals who are not FLA Soldier+ and enter Angel Pine can be engaged and arrested by law enforcement without any involvement of FLA regardless of area.
So the AOD Angel Pine Chapter that has been running for a few weeks now has no access to Angel Pine? That's bullshit. If you're gonna take decisions for other groups atleast invite them to the discussions about it too. You can't just take actions against a certain group(without even talk with them) just because it's in the same area in which you have trouble dealing with FLA.Yeah this. They did say "criminals" but then again how would one know the citizen entering Angel Pine is a criminal?
So the AOD Angel Pine Chapter that has been running for a few weeks now has no access to Angel Pine? That's bullshit. If you're gonna take decisions for other groups atleast invite them to the discussions about it too. You can't just take actions against a certain group(without even talk with them) just because it's in the same area in which you have trouble dealing with FLA.
If that's the case, the wording should be changed because suspects aren't criminals. Or have ya'll not had your training in the SAPD yet? :D
@TheGreasyChopper
What that means is, if you are a suspect and enter Angel Pine LEOs can engage you without consulting the FLA.
The point about those who are not involved with the FLA is a very wise one. I'll admit that yesterday while being a suspect for unrelated reasons, I saw the gunfight in Angel Pine and joined in to see if anyone would notice. Besides me there were shitloads of people who have nothing to do with FLA but joined just for the lolz like me. Sorry guys :D
So the AOD Angel Pine Chapter that has been running for a few weeks now has no access to Angel Pine? That's bullshit. If you're gonna take decisions for other groups atleast invite them to the discussions about it too. You can't just take actions against a certain group(without even talking with them) just because it's in the same area in which you have trouble dealing with FLA.
The point about those who are not involved with the FLA is a very wise one. I'll admit that yesterday while being a suspect for unrelated reasons, I saw the gunfight in Angel Pine and joined in to see if anyone would notice. Besides me there were shitloads of people who have nothing to do with FLA but joined just for the lolz like me. Sorry guys :DWhat a load bullcrap, for one, most of the people at Angel Pine were told to come on the CB which FLA uses, you were not in any RP contact with us and just decided to come and join in the shootout, if I'm correct that's bannable, I had wondered what you were doing there since you're usually on police duty, and now you admit to doing that in an attempt to make us look bad, didn't work.
You're telling me to fuck off after I've done nothing but support the HQ for how many months now? Nice to see to be stabbed in the back. Follow an example from eymas on how to respond to my 'opinion' before throwing tantrums.
Thanks for the constructive response to my opinion @eymas
my perspective changed thanks to people like you in this community.
This is a great event in the history of Argonath which effects every character in the server. I'm very happy to see both sides have actually shown progress in this continous RP and didn't let "winning complex" cloud their judgment.
Viva la Flint :cowboy:
What a load bullcrap, for one, most of the people at Angel Pine were told to come on the CB which FLA uses, you were not in any RP contact with us and just decided to come and join in the shootout, if I'm correct that's bannable, I had wondered what you were doing there since you're usually on police duty, and now you admit to doing that in an attempt to make us look bad, didn't work.
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I wanted to see if anybody noticed. Nobody did.Noticed what? You coming and randomly joining in a shootout not involving you? Except for your excuse about FBI shooting you giving you reason to defend yourself of course.
I bet these posts are being flagged up on some cyber spy base somewhere in the world, with all this talk of FBI, IRA, shooting and C4. :lol:
I bet these posts are being flagged up on some cyber spy base somewhere in the world, with all this talk of FBI, IRA, shooting and C4. :lol:
It's okay, I'm already on a 'list'.
The no-fly list for getting drunk before getting on planes? :balance:
The no-fly list for getting drunk before getting on planes? :balance:
• Any suspect above Soldier rank will have to result in law enforcement negotiating the release of the suspect by FLA or any other possible outcome.
• If entry is needed into Angel Pine for whatever reason, the highest ranking law enforcement official of any law enforcement agency should consult with the highest ranking FLA member.
Violation of any of the agreements from any party result will result in involvement and strict action by HQ.
Signed,
Development Team
Evil TeddyHeadquarters
Leon ArallianFederal Bureau of Investigation
Arslan CarterSan Andreas Police Department
Trane KiedisFlint Liberation Army
Mikal O'Defaid
Yeah the interpretation of that wasn't "oh lets go fuck around in LS, kill cops and then run to AP so police can't do anything" and if they do we can claim "fucking broke treaty".
You expect the treaty to be a 100% cop bias or what?
You expect the treaty to be a 100% cop bias or what?
You can show a few pictures of us entering Angel Pine to take care of criminals who quite clearly entered LS to commit criminal acts and engaged officers in doing so but it's not really representative of the whole story now is it?
Just today, about 2-4 hours earlier, you all decided to come into LS and do this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX7NlVBU-eA
Who broke the treaty again?
Not to mention the only reason police was at AP is because: police come to secure weed field at CM HQ> Kill the one suspect who was suspected growing due to him shooting > whole FLA comes > starts killing cops> runs to AP > and expects to be dealt with by "negotiations" just because they ran to AP.You have both failed to say what part of the treaty we broke.
Yeah, not why treaty was made.
You ran here to post a few pics and claim treaty was "broken" just so you could claim you didn't do anything. Not gonna work.
No but you don't see us heading into Angel Pine shooting everyone up for no reason.No reason? :o
The agreement was you don't cause shit with your "group" in major areas, specially Los Santos and stay where you belong.That wasn't the agreement, check your own post on the front page.
You have both failed to say what part of the treaty we broke.I'm sure the whole basis of the treaty is a cease fire from both sides, is it not?
You have both failed to say what part of the treaty we broke.
FLA were already in LS in Taseens video, suspected when they were attacked by police and defended themselves, no breach of the treaty.
Arslan, we were already in Angel Pine before we got a call for help on CB radio at Corleone Mansion, we swiftly arrived to find you harvesting one of our members fresh batch of herbs, we asking you to leave, you stayed, you gave us no choice, weed takes a long time to grow and isn't worth losing, especially when we out number you guys 8 to 3...
In the end, FLA did not breach the treaty, you didn't keep your side of the deal.
No reason? :o
That wasn't the agreement, check your own post on the front page.
The whole point of it was to reduce shootouts, reduce FLA activity in major cities, specially Los Santos and let you guys do you own shit in your own space. It isn't a constitution where you look for loop holes and gaps to see what you can and can't do in attempt to exploit them. And clearly you've misunderstood the purpose of it and are now only using it as a tool to do the exact same thing you were doing before and just running to AP and expect police not to do anything about it because your in AP.
What makes it an act of FLA? Just the fact that some of the guys who killed you were also in the FLA /group?Uh this wan't a roleplay agreement Einstein, the whole purpose of it was to reduce TDM in the server. Everyone knows who FLA is and isn't. As I said, you completely misunderstood the purpose of this and are attempting to exploit anything which isn't written treating it as some law book. It was to give guidelines as how FLA would conduct themselves and how police should deal with their operations. Not to continue rolling around as a army, killing anyone after we tell them to "leave" 2 or three times and then run to AP.
I'm sure the whole basis of the treaty is a cease fire from both sides, is it not?It was a ceasefire created by certain agreements, agreements which you did not keep.
The whole point of it was to reduce shootouts, reduce FLA activity in major cities, specially Los Santos and let you guys do you own shit in your own space. It isn't a constitution where you look for loop holes and gaps to see what you can and can't do in attempt to exploit them. And clearly you've misunderstood the purpose of it and are now only using it as a tool to do the exact same thing you were doing before and just running to AP and expect police not to do anything about it because your in AP.Why are you trying to interpret the treaty to benefit yourselves? Read what it says again, you are clearly the one looking for loop holes or gaps, we kept our side of the deal, and as Sal said:
What makes it an act of FLA? Just the fact that some of the guys who killed you were also in the FLA /group?
Uh this wan't a roleplay agreement Einstein, the whole purpose of it was to reduce TDM in the server. Everyone knows who FLA is and isn't. As I said, you completely misunderstood the purpose of this and are attempting to exploit anything which isn't written treating it as some law book. It was to give guidelines as how FLA would conduct themselves and how police should deal with their operations. Not to continue rolling around as a army, killing anyone after we tell them to "leave" 2 or three times and then run to AP.Except for the fact that we met in-game, RPed a meeting, asked questions, spoke to each other, and came to agreements, all on /l...
It was a ceasefire created by certain agreements, agreements which you did not keep.So being masked and not masked defines being FLA or not? It doesn't matter if you were RPing FLA at the time or not. You're still the same group of people killing cops. This isn't a RP discussion about if you were attacking as FLA or as Corleones. Bottom line, you're still causing shootouts, you're still creating a TDM atmosphere destroying the whole purpose of this.
Why are you trying to interpret the treaty to benefit yourselves? Read what it says again, you are clearly the one looking for loop holes or gaps, we kept our side of the deal, and as Sal said:
None of us were masked, none of us were shouting or doing anything related to FLA.
Except for the fact that we met in-game, RPed a meeting, asked questions, spoke to each other, and came to agreements, all on /l...
It was RPed, as it was intended to be, Einstein.
Why didn't you just leave Verdant Bluffs and call for backup? We clearly out numbered you... Instead you say "Hey look, it's FLA" and stay for the shootout, then continue to assume it's FLA and head straight for Angel Pine with no care for the treaty that was agreed.
It was a ceasefire created by certain agreements, agreements which you did not keep.Who came into LS shooting at cops first again?
Except for the fact that we met in-game, RPed a meeting, asked questions, spoke to each other, and came to agreements, all on /l...I guess the development team and managers sign role-play agreements
Out of Roleplay Agreement
Uh this wan't a roleplay agreement Einstein, the whole purpose of it was to reduce TDM in the server. Everyone knows who FLA is and isn't. As I said, you completely misunderstood the purpose of this and are attempting to exploit anything which isn't written treating it as some law book. It was to give guidelines as how FLA would conduct themselves and how police should deal with their operations. Not to continue rolling around as a army, killing anyone after we tell them to "leave" 2 or three times and then run to AP.
Not a roleplay agreement...? I think a peace treaty is exactly that, Sigmund Freud. I also think you don't quite get the concept of an army in general and a rebel army in particular. FLA is something that unites different groups and players to serve a shared cause. It is not a primary group for anyone except its high command.
This is not about loopholes or exploiting, it's about common sense. You can't just link any roleplay scenario with members of the FLA, to the FLA. That's pretty much the same as me saying: ''Hey look, that's Arslan and Bass in a car, they're not on duty and they're just driving around, but I'm sure they're both doing FBI stuff right now!'', while in reality you may be off duty, catching up or something.
After seeing the video, it's unfortunate to see that FLA had to find loop-holes and interpretations into the treaty to give them an advantage and continue the dick-measuring contest against law enforcement. No wonder whenever I /mdc these days, people associated with FLA are always suspected and are always at Whetstone. It's their little safe zone now.
Oh well, in Argonath you can't expect to give the server something without some people trying their best to spin it to their advantage at the expense of others.
So being masked and not masked defines being FLA or not?Yes, because when we do FLA shit, we are usually masked to protect ourselves from the courts... You should know since you were so desperate to sue our members a couple weeks ago.
It doesn't matter if you were RPing FLA at the time or not. You're still the same group of people killing cops. This isn't a RP discussion about if you were attacking as FLA or as Corleones. Bottom line, you're still causing shootouts, you're still creating a TDM atmosphere destroying the whole purpose of this.You were the ones who chose to stay and start grabbing the weed after a group bigger and more well armed than yourselves told you to leave, did we cause the shootout or am I missing something?
Only difference I see is, you called a whole army to Corleone HQ to kill cops but you claim it wasn't RP'd as FLA so it is justified. No, purpose wasn't to stop you representing FLA in major areas, purpose was to stop TDM.We are all close friends who look after eachother, does that automatically make every action we commit an FLA activity?
In Taseen's video it was just me driving around, and random people from everywhere, INCLUDING cops started joining on top of my truck. Somehow someone was a suspect and cops started chasing after us, and a shootout occured. That video had absolutely nothing to do with FLA whatsoever.Yup, a truck driving around with people in witches hats dancing and being plain stupid stood ontop, sounds like FLA to me...
In Taseen's video it was just me driving around, and random people from everywhere, INCLUDING cops started joining on top of my truck. Somehow someone was a suspect and cops started chasing after us, and a shootout occured. That video had absolutely nothing to do with FLA whatsoever.Don't need to look at video anyways, it isn't the only scenario. Just go back to the event at CMHQ which you were very actively involved in chasing and shooting cops.
Uh this wan't a roleplay agreement Einstein, the whole purpose of it was to reduce TDM in the server. Everyone knows who FLA is and isn't. As I said, you completely misunderstood the purpose of this and are attempting to exploit anything which isn't written treating it as some law book. It was to give guidelines as how FLA would conduct themselves and how police should deal with their operations. Not to continue rolling around as a army, killing anyone after we tell them to "leave" 2 or three times and then run to AP.
Yup, a truck driving around with people in witches hats dancing and being plain stupid stood ontop, sounds like FLA to me...You can tell when they're FLA when they throw bombs at you, then immediately drive back to Angel Pine under the assumption that they're under some 'immunity' from the crimes they have committed in LS.
1.Yes, because when we do FLA shit, we are usually masked to protect ourselves from the courts... You should know since you were so desperate to sue our members a couple weeks ago.1. Getting personal because you're in the wrong still doesn't justify this.
2. You were the ones who chose to stay and start grabbing the weed after a group bigger and more well armed than yourselves told you to leave, did we cause the shootout or am I missing something?
We are all close friends who look after eachother, does that automatically make every action we commit an FLA activity?
3. The purpose of the treaty was to stop shootouts, and it had been working, we were simply protecting a friends (who is coincidentally an FLA member) income and avenging his life after you killed him, the treaty was still in effect and was still working, we hadn't given you any reason to start a major shootout in the days since the treaty was created, there hadn't been one in Flint Country, there had been one in LS, with legitimate reason.
Tomorrow it would have been back to the normal treaty, no shootouts in Flint Country, no blocked roads, no major provocative actions by FLA as a group, we did today what criminals do, kidnap, grow drugs, get income, and we protected all of that as criminals, you decided to see it as a rebel action and invaded Angel Pine, breaching the treaty, why not just accept the fact and admit your wrongdoing?
4. As for the "not RPed treaty", here's us discussing it, in RP.Yup, a truck driving around with people in witches hats dancing and being plain stupid stood ontop, sounds like FLA to me...(http://i.imgur.com/5bzMndi.jpg)
Were you and SAPD trying to avoid RP with FLA by posting a bullshit treatyIf by you and SAPD, You meant Server Development and HQ, you are correct!
If by you and SAPD, You meant Server Development and HQ, you are correct!
I don't care what the concept of your rebel army is. Bottom line, you're still doing the same shit you were doing before under a different flag. Yeah, not the reason for this treaty. And if you wanted to play it out this way, shouldn't have come on this topic moaning treaty was broken by cops evidently because of your actions.
Don't need to look at video anyways, it isn't the only scenario. Just go back to the event at CMHQ which you were very actively involved in chasing and shooting cops.Shooting the cops who refused to leave when they were out gunned, shot at us, and then ran off expecting to survive, after harvesting half of the weed we came to protect?
You can tell when they're FLA when they throw bombs at you, then immediately drive back to Angel Pine under the assumption that they're under some 'immunity' from the crimes they have committed in LS.Oh right, I forgot that only FLA can get bombs and such...
If by you and SAPD, You meant Server Development and HQ, you are correct!The treaty was RPed, as a treaty should be...
@Gandalf @Devin @Teddy @eymas @RustyAre you making this plea in a neutral manner or are you insinuating that FLA is the cause of these problems?
Please do something. Even if it means "losing players"... I don't like seeing the forum and main chat spammed with poo. It's gotten old, y'know?
Are you making this plea in a neutral manner or are you insinuating that FLA is the cause of these problems?It's hard to even fathom that motion
1.Shooting the cops who refused to leave when they were out gunned, shot at us, and then ran off expecting to survive, after harvesting half of the weed we came to protect?1. Logs will show who shot at who. Your job as a suspect is aid your friends in evading the police. Not come there being big shots and claim you own the place because you have more people with you due to the DM aspect of the "RP". And now you can't even claim you were FLA and that's why you did what you did in protest against the government and not leave or evade the cops even if you came to help since you said yourself you weren't RPing FLA.
Oh right, I forgot that only FLA can get bombs and such...
And I was with the truck after that shootout, they didn't go back to Angel Pine, they were driving around as they had been doing for a while.
2. We are not abusing our 'immunity' in Angel Pine, and even if we did (which we didn't), when did you guys make any attempts to negotiate as the treaty says you would?
The treaty was RPed, as a treaty should be...
Are you making this plea in a neutral manner or are you insinuating that FLA is the cause of these problems?
We could have negotiated, it's just that the highest rank at the time was suspected so the outcome of the situation was likely to be a 'im not coming out' type of scenario
Are you making this plea in a neutral manner or are you insinuating that FLA is the cause of these problems?
We could have negotiated, it's just that the highest rank at the time was suspected so the outcome of the situation was likely to be a 'im not coming out' type of scenarioSo you didn't bother trying to negotiate because of a dodgy assumption and have now destroyed the peace treaty as an after effect...
1. Logs will show who shot at who. Your job as a suspect is aid your friends in evading the police. Not come there being big shots and claim you own the place because you have more people with you due to the DM aspect of the "RP". And now you can't even claim you were FLA and that's why you did what you did in protest against the government and not leave or evade the cops even if you came to help since you said yourself you weren't RPing FLA.1. Why are logs needed? We shot first after you failed to leave as we requested and started harvesting the plants we came to protect... And 'evading' would have meant leaving the weed, the very reason we came... If you had just killed John and there was no weed, we wouldn't have came.
2. Clearly you are, you do shit in LS and run to AP. If you weren't RPing FLA and were not abusing it you would've done what I said above.
Neutral. I did not watch videos nor do I intend to because I knew someone, whether it be LE or FLA, would eventually fuck up.I've been told Flint Country will never get it's independence because cops would leave the server, I even asked cops myself and some have said they would, kind of sad really, why would you leave because progress is being made which could create more RP and bring an end to all the shootouts? I was told this by a HQ member, and I'm still here, not leaving...
The reason I said "even if it means loss of players" is because HQ can't make everyone happy. Whatever side they pick, players will be lost. And really I don't care at this point as long as the mudslinging and TDM reduces at the very least.
1.You don't care? Goes to show who's really the one trying to spin things to their advantage. All you do is talk, you don't listen and this post painfully illustrates that.1. You're bringing irrelevant things into the discussion which don't even matter in the actual reason for this discussion. We're not here to debate about what FLA is made for.
2.Nothing was done under any different flag. Just because you got killed by a few guys that were coincidentally in /groupmembers FLA, doesn't mean it's an action in FLA. The purpose of the treaty was to put an end to roadblocks and keep law enforcement/FLA hostility to a minimum. It did not say ''People who are in FLA can't shoot at cops anymore''.
3. Bottom line is this shootout had nothing to do with FLA other than some people participating in it being in /groupmembers FLA.
As for people saying FLA is the one trying to find loopholes and spin things into its profit:
4. If you read the treaty and then read Arslan's posts, you'll find that there is very little in common with what Arslan is saying now, and what he wrote in the actual treaty. This is ironic because indeed, he wrote and posted it, albeit after discussing it with other involved parties.
5. Law enforcement in this topic are trying to protect their interest now by making stuff up that wasn't in the treaty in the first place and trying to blame things on 'interpretation'. Literally nothing in the treaty resembles even closely what law enforcement, and especially Arslan is posting now after that they actually broke the treaty. It should be noted that the treaty was already hugely cop-sided and that the FLA agreed to all the terms nonetheless in hope of better cooperation and to reach more initial goals through different methods.
6. All I can say at this point is, learn to take a loss and think your actions through a little better next time.
1. Why are logs needed? We shot first after you failed to leave as we requested and started harvesting the plants we came to protect... And 'evading' would have meant leaving the weed, the very reason we came... If you had just killed John and there was no weed, we wouldn't have came.1. Yeah once the weed is discovered by the police and they've established a crime scene it would make sense to leave it and evade. As I said logs will show exactly what happen and who did what. I'm just laying out the visual aspect of how it happen. If you believe what you did is justified then fair enough.
2. We live in Angel Pine, half of FLA own a property there, it's where we spend all our time just as Ballas did when they stood idle at GS9 or City Hall all day.
I've been told Flint Country will never get it's independence because cops would leave the server, I even asked cops myself and some have said they would, kind of sad really, why would you leave because progress is being made which could create more RP and bring an end to all the shootouts? I was told this by a HQ member, and I'm still here, not leaving...
Hurr durr
Read the thread again. This whole bickering was started by Mikal who posted misleading screenshots.The screens show you breaking the peace treaty. Next time keep it in mind when you decide to roll in a SWAT team, which as the biased treaty states, a request for permission has to be initiated between the highest ranking kid and the highest ranking FLA officer.
HAAHAHAHAHAAHAH aww...this is cute i swear this relationship reminds me of the fight berween Israel and Palestine, both cant hold to ONE SIMPLE agreement contract=)
Argonath needs structured roleplay which excludes DM groups and terrorist organizations. We do not need more borders, we need to be united.Agreed, we should also get rid of moaners but that means closing an official group that has existed for almost a decade.
This has been the case since I quote, "day one". Grow the fuck up Arslan and the rest of SAPD/FBI if you can't take a loss then by all means fuck off or stop whining, both would be even much better. Sometimes I wonder whether LEOs get promoted based on how good the can bitch and cry on forums, all the high ranks seems to be doing it. You kept bitching until HQ intervened and get you a peace treaty that was clearly biased toward you and your kindergarten, I mean SAPD, then you proceed to claim the treaty was broken because you got shot by a bunch of guys with RP names that I barely recognize that RP with FLA.I agree with Timon for once, I imagine law enforcement are just going to moan and moan and moan until FLA is closed, and ofc it will be FLA that get's closed since it can't exactly be law enforcement.
Then you proceed to try and win the 2v8 fight because robocops n shit. Then these robocops lose the fight(who would've thought) and take it upon themselves to start a 10 page arguing to satisfy their ego that was shattered in game.
I recommend HQ force a total administrative ceasefire under any circumstance between the groups, and ban those who violate it - as in the case of Gvardia/Soprano back in the day.So we can't do FLA activities, and we can't do criminal activities with our close friends because it's apparently an FLA activity, shall we all just RP old men and ride round on lawn mower mobility scooters to please the PD who must always win?
Argonath doesn't need FLA. Argonath needs structured roleplay which excludes DM groups and terrorist organizations. We do not need more borders, we need to be united.
The bitterness from law enforcement is demonstrated by how they openly admit they'd leave the server if FLA got granted the independence it wants,Oh please, that is so lovely. Go ahead and get that independence.
shall we all just RP old men and ride round on lawn mower mobility scooters
Grow the fuck up Arslan and the rest of SAPD/FBI if you can't take a loss then by all means fuck off or stop whining, both would be even much better. Sometimes I wonder whether LEOs get promoted based on how good the can bitch and cry on forums, all the high ranks seems to be doing it. You kept bitching until HQ intervened and get you a peace treaty that was clearly biased toward you and your kindergarten, I mean SAPD, then you proceed to claim the treaty was broken because you got shot by a bunch of guys with RP names that I barely recognize that RP with FLA.
Then you proceed to try and win the 2v8 fight because robocops n shit. Then these robocops lose the fight(who would've thought) and take it upon themselves to start a 10 page arguing to satisfy their ego that was shattered in game.
Learn when to take a loss, I used to say schools should stop teaching kids it's ok to lose goddamn but I mistaken.
So, you guys are saying you entered LS as different RP characters to be involved in a shootout with the police?
Sorry, not really following.
stop shitposting without having context of what has happened.
Argonath needs structured roleplay which excludes DM groups and terrorist organizations.
if the cops noticed possible FLA soldiers in LS, they should have tried to contact an FLA high rank guy and question him before infiltrating FC directly. if FLA is being terrorist, the cops dont need to be terrorists as well
its just my opinion on the matter.
So, we're just gonna stay here roleplaying as cops then a suspect goes to Angel Pine and boom we lost him.
I wasn't on duty yesterday but I know it was fucked up. It doesn't makes sense to negotiate with FLA when we have murderers in Angel Pine which probably are stilling running far away, while we are standing at the Flint County toll.
This thing turned the server into a minigame for criminals.. get suspected, run into Angel Pine and you won. It destroyed part of the police roleplay.
law enforcement agencies will always outgun and overwhelm you.I think you mean outcry and outbitch because yes LEOs will always surpass us in those, clearly you haven't been in an FLA shootout recently.
So, we're just gonna stay here roleplaying as cops then a suspect goes to Angel Pine and boom we lost him.Angel Pine isn't your 1718 Pirates Haven, only this who get "immunity" are FLa soldiers(there's like what? 5 active soldiers+?). SAPD "broke the treaty" by entering FLA to chase a group of suspects, one of them being an FLA soldier.
I wasn't on duty yesterday but I know it was fucked up. It doesn't makes sense to negotiate with FLA when we have murderers in Angel Pine which probably are stilling running far away, while we are standing at the Flint County toll.
This thing turned the server into a minigame for criminals.. get suspected, run into Angel Pine and you won. It destroyed part of the police roleplay.
So, you guys are saying you entered LS as different RP characters to be involved in a shootout with the police?Entered for a shootout? No we entered because our friend who is also an FLA member was calling for help on CB, when we arrive he's dead and FBI are in the middle of harvesting his weed, we out number them by 8v3 and so assume they'd leave if we told them too, but being the Terminators they are they decided to stay and continue harvesting despite our warnings, that left us with no choice but to make them leave, a few shots later and they were running for the hills, leaving us to harvest the weed, do you follow now?
Sorry, not really following.
Oh please, that is so lovely. Go ahead and get that independence.I don't mind us not having independence after all it's the rebellion RP that this group was created for, but for some to say they'd leave if we got it us just plain salty.
Angel Pine isn't your 1718 Pirates Haven, only this who get immunity are FLa soldiers(there's like what? 5 active soldiers+?). SAPD "broke the treaty" by entering FLA to chase a group of suspects, one of them being an FLA soldier.
Surprised how no one bared to mention Arslans bitch move couple days back. Before the treaty we killed legit every cop in AP and Arslans wants to revenge kill by flying over AP with bombs. Learn to accept defeat.If you had killed every cop, you wouldn't have got the treatment you did. As for this "defeat" bullshit if you want a free pass to DM, cry to HQ, not me. You want to use bombs and shit, and moan when we fight fire with fire.
Still the fact that the suspect is getting away via a route we can't use and which he/she probably stays in Angel Pine as they do most of the time.Deal with it then, life isn't fair and FLA soldiers+ aren't the only criminals in San Andreas.
Let's close down SAPD/ARPD/SWAT/FBI then!Keep SWAT out of it.. Since they werent present..
Deal with it then, life isn't fair and FLA soldiers+ aren't the only criminals in San Andreas.
It appears you help them without trying though.the more you reply the more I realize you didn't even read the treaty
We killed all of you including you..Clearly you don't know what you're talking about so I'd suggest stop posting. Also I thought you weren't even part of FLA? What was your purpose of being there, was a "friend" stuck and needed back up?
I don't mind us not having independence after all it's the rebellion RP that this group was created for, but for some to say they'd leave if we got it us just plain salty.Let them leave, you just go ahead and do what you do best and let the shitstorm behind your back. Just ignore the haters and keep going. Like i said bringing in on this forum will only cause more and more shitstorm like we all can see. If you bring the problem in this case the ceasefire breach then take it to HQ without involving the forum. It just becomes a straight pain in the ass...
stop shitposting without having context of what has happened.
don't assume shit, it will only add fuel to the argument here.
Entered for a shootout? No we entered because our friend who is also an FLA member was calling for help on CB, when we arrive he's dead and FBI are in the middle of harvesting his weed, we out number them by 8v3 and so assume they'd leave if we told them too, but being the Terminators they are they decided to stay and continue harvesting despite our warnings, that left us with no choice but to make them leave, a few shots later and they were running for the hills, leaving us to harvest the weed, do you follow now?
Clearly you don't know what you're talking about so I'd suggest stop posting. Also I thought you weren't even part of FLA? What was your purpose of being there, was a "friend" stuck and needed back up?
Let me clear some things out for you people. The treaty states that when it comes to suspects who are barricaded in Angel Pine, Law Enforcements MUST negotiate. Now, yes, we were at Los Santos where we have committed some crimes, and then we left. We cross the boarder to Flint County and then crossed it again to Angel Pine. Now, due to Angel Pine being in a current dictatorship state, there aren't any law enforcements there to take care of suspects. So you either let them go freely, or contact an online high ranked member to negotiate. Either we pay a fine and you leave the suspect go, or we hand him over or ask him to leave Angel Pine.
In no way WHAT WE DID gave you the right to automatically cross the boarder and take things in your hands. If you wanted us to permanently stay in Angel Pine and do not move a single muscle, should of clarified it when you were agreeing about the treaty and we would obviously decline. It was your mistake that didn't clarify what you wanted, and it was your mistake crossing the boarder because of some suspects, and we aren't talking here about just one FLA Soldier, there were plenty including Sergeants and the leadership of FLA itself.
I see the point of view from both sides, and I know what you're saying. But a peace treaty is a cease-fire and if a group as a whole (including leadership) is involved in a shootout with law enforcement in LS, then the "cease-fire" is null and void, since the whole point of it was to prevent these events occurring?
Let me clear some things out for you people. The treaty states that when it comes to suspects who are barricaded in Angel Pine, Law Enforcements MUST negotiate. Now, yes, we were at Los Santos where we have committed some crimes, and then we left. We cross the boarder to Flint County and then crossed it again to Angel Pine. Now, due to Angel Pine being in a current dictatorship state, there aren't any law enforcements there to take care of suspects. So you either let them go freely, or contact an online high ranked member to negotiate. Either we pay a fine and you leave the suspect go, or we hand him over or ask him to leave Angel Pine.
In no way WHAT WE DID gave you the right to automatically cross the boarder and take things in your hands. If you wanted us to permanently stay in Angel Pine and do not move a single muscle, should of clarified it when you were agreeing about the treaty and we would obviously decline. It was your mistake that didn't clarify what you wanted, and it was your mistake crossing the boarder because of some suspects, and we aren't talking here about just one FLA Soldier, there were plenty including Sergeants and the leadership of FLA itself.
Still don't understand why you're crying about this. It's a GAME. Stop talking out of your vagina and get your force together and develop new tactics to stop this so called 'terrorist organisation'Uhm.. we're law enforcement our job is to stop the organisation. If you don't want interaction with law enforcement go sit in a farm or something. You want to create and be part of something and then not accept its consequences.
Yes BUT no one from FLA was acting as FLA, at that very moment when an ally asked for back up, he asked his criminal friends to do so, and the peace treaty was done as a ceasefire and to keep both parties away from each other if possible, we defended an ally territory, and we left. They could have easily let HQ handle it, even though there was nothing to handle, but they could have left HQ to handle it and not just tell us that HQ will handle it once they've taken it in their own hands.
• Criminals who are not FLA Soldier+ and enter Angel Pine can be engaged and arrested by law enforcement without any involvement of FLA regardless of area.
So if they weren't acting as FLA, why would law enforcement not be allowed to enter Angel Pine to arrest them?This is the biggest flaw and contradiction in their argument. Now you don't even know if they were being FLA or "friends helping" since the actions carried out as either one were wrong.
And it wasn't anyone's mistake. It isn't hard to understand what you did was only exploit the treaty unless every bit of word is written down for you telling you the dos and don'ts. You weren't even at the discussion
The treaty states that for FLA suspects. You've been claiming throughout this whole topic you weren't there as FLA so evidently you're just using AP as an escape route to do what you want in LS and then run to AP assuming police can't catch us now and they need to negotiate. Not the purpose of treaty.
So if they weren't acting as FLA, why would law enforcement not be allowed to enter Angel Pine to arrest them?
Nobody's fault in particular, but I think the confines of this treaty need to be defined a little better.
Correct but that is not possible when the leader of FLA was the one leading the assault and one of the first people to shoot.Why are you making out we game into LS and straight up attacked you and why are you making out it was an FLA action? We came to save our friend but you already killed him and so the only thing left to do was save his weed, it was a criminal action, not an FLA one.
FLA is just like America: acting like the world police. It is time that you understood that the law enforcement agencies will always outgun and overwhelm you. This is why FLA and other terrorist groups will never fit into ArgonathExcept for the fact that law enforcement rarely out number us these days, we are the biggest and most active group on the server, and do enlighten me as to how saving a friend and his weed are 'world police' or terrorist actions? If you think FLA is so bad start looking at the first page of our topic and work your way up, you'll see that it's law enforcement who forced us to evolve into the giant we are today, from the first brutal confrontationa at roads we blocked to the taser incident by SWAT at Flint County, it is law enforcement that made us have to grow so big, but you refuse to see that and think you're all innocent in this mess, I honestly don'the know what the solution to this is anymore, we'very tried the cease fire but you guys couldn't uphold your side of the deal.
.1 Indeed, I wasn't at the discussion so the dos and don'ts were clearly required. Even if we did exploit it to our advantage, it was your mistake for not clarifying things beforehand.1. Everything was clarified before hand. The reactions given in the treaty were for FLA people RPing in a FLA capacity. If you decided to RP someone else and then use the agreement to FLA while not even RPing as FLA, it isn't hard to see if it is right or wrong. We expected other people to exploit this though I must say I didn't see this coming or happening.
2.Committing crimes as FLA or not, if we cross the boarder, we cross it. That is why the treaty was created, to force you to roleplay and negotiate with us. That is WHY we want independence, in order for you not to automatically rush in and start putting bullets in everyone's heads.
1. Why are you making out we game into LS and straight up attacked you and why are you making out it was an FLA action? We came to save our friend but you already killed him and so the only thing left to do was save his weed, it was a criminal action, not an FLA one.1. So now as a result of this event, clearly you only represent yourself as FLA when you know it is within the treaty but you're still the same group of people doing the same shit. As I've said many times earlier, the point of the treaty wasn't to stop FLA but to stop the TDM crap that has been happening.
2. Except for the fact that law enforcement rarely out number us these days, we are the biggest and most active group on the server, and do enlighten me as to how saving a friend and his weed are 'world police' or terrorist actions? If you think FLA is so bad start looking at the first page of our topic and work your way up, you'll see that it's law enforcement who forced us to evolve into the giant we are today, from the first brutal confrontationa at roads we blocked to the taser incident by SWAT at Flint County, it is law enforcement that made us have to grow so big, but you refuse to see that and think you're all innocent in this mess, I honestly don'the know what the solution to this is anymore, we'very tried the cease fire but you guys couldn't uphold your side of the deal.
This is the biggest flaw and contradiction in their argument. Now you don't even know if they were being FLA or "friends helping" since the actions carried out as either one were wrong.u know this funny coming from a guy who's director is also a successful businessman and a secret crime mobster
u know this funny coming from a guy who's director is also a successful businessman and a secret crime mobsterEven though I'm not two of those things, I take that as a compliment.
SAPD command/leaders and whatever have agreed they shall not enter Angel Pine.We did not break the treaty. FLA did when they came into LS guns blazing, taking out cops, then returning back to Angel Pine for their criminal immunity. The whole point of the treaty is a cease fire from both sides, which FLA clearly did not abide by.
I don't understand... When its about "treaty" you are just "criminal" and you have no affliction with FLA, when its about hiding at AP you are all FLA high ranked members.
Talking about putting bullets in everyone's heads, what did you do at CM HQ? So when you do it, it is justified but when you get the same treatment it isn't?
1. Everything was clarified before hand. The reactions given in the treaty were for FLA people RPing in a FLA capacity. If you decided to RP someone else and then use the agreement to FLA while not even RPing as FLA, it isn't hard to see if it is right or wrong. We expected other people to exploit this though I must say I didn't see this coming or happening.
2. Again, you're making AP into a safe haven for suspects. No, we didn't give you the right to whatever you want in AP. The only thing which did happen is for those involved in FLA RP and are in AP relating to FLA reasons, they would be dealt with differently. And you ran from Corleone HQ to AP not for FLA reasons since you claim you weren't even there as FLA.
We did not break the treaty. FLA did when they came into LS guns blazing, taking out cops, then returning back to Angel Pine for their criminal immunity. The whole point of the treaty is a cease fire from both sides, which FLA clearly did not abide by.
If FLA is not gonna do it peacefully, then the law should do it roughly.roughly moaning and whining yes
SAPD command/leaders and whatever have agreed they shall not enter Angel Pine. They broke the treaty, they should be the ones punished by HQ as the peace treaty suggests. I don't see the need for all this drama. Please stop bitching, I am waiting for a reply at my unban request and all I see is "peace treaty 30/05/2016".
AS I SAID OVER ONE HUNDRED GOD DAMN TIMES, PLEASE, just read before you post. It doesn't matter for which reason we were there, as FLA or NOT, it doesn't matter what our roleplay states, Angel Pine is a different boarder, if you do not respect that, then I don't know.
It does.
Criminals who are not FLA Soldier+ and enter Angel Pine can be engaged and arrested by law enforcement without any involvement of FLA regardless of area.
FLA Soldier+.
Yes, except the people that were engaged upon were
Yes, except the people that were engaged upon wereYes except that the treaty was for FLA related RPs, not for you to do whatever you want and claim to be some different character and five minutes later become FLA Sgt. because it serves you better. The point discussed in the meeting was the fact that other people would abuse it in this way but it isn't anyone else but FLA using it in the way it was said NOT to be used.
Ah, but how would law enforcement know that?oh idk perhaps use /groups like you do everytime something is happening?
Yes, except the people that were engaged upon wereBut I thought that you weren't acting as FLA in LS so why would you go to use your immunity in Angel Pine?
Ah, but how would law enforcement know that?
Yes BUT no one from FLA was acting as FLA, at that very moment when an ally asked for back up, he asked his criminal friends to do so, and the peace treaty was done as a ceasefire and to keep both parties away from each other if possible, we defended an ally territory, and we left.
But I thought that you weren't acting as FLA in LS so why would you go to use your immunity in Angel Pine?
With /groups, or with that logic, they can never actually enter Angel Pine because they'll never know if its Soldier+ or not. They clearly knew our /groups beforehand if they rushed to Angel Pine five minutes after we left, otherwise it would be impossible to figure out where we're heading to.I don't understand why you're assuming AP to be some country for the whole server. That is only FLA belief and the agreements by law are for FLA related acts. If you weren't RPing FLA, you are still just in any like other place on the map where law enforcement can engage you. Which you weren't so shouldn't have done what you did.
Because I still remain a FLA Sergeant, acting like or not, still am. You are trying to justify your acts because you knew our /groups before we even approached. And when we left, with no trails whatsoever, you just raided Angel Pine with no possibility of knowing we were FLA.We're not the ones justifying anything. What we did is engage suspects. It is you who are attempting to claim police should've called you and what not instead of doing what they did. And you are attempting to justify the reasons for that approach when clearly that situation did not deserve that response.
I don't understand why you're assuming AP to be some country for the whole server. That is only FLA belief and the agreements by law are for FLA related acts. If you weren't RPing FLA, you are still just in any like other place on the map where law enforcement can engage you. Which you weren't so shouldn't have done what you did.
That's why you should have clarified the treaty from the beginning. Not everyone was at this meeting so there's no possibility of what you actually expected from us. And I am assuming AP is with a different boarder is because HQ asked us to roleplay it that way, and that is exactly what we are doing. They did not want it officially, this is what happens.1. Common sense.
1. Common sense.
2. It isn't my job to keep FLA up to date with what their leaders have agreed upon.
Why is it in the constitution, you clarify things out? Because when it was made, not everyone was there. It was whoever have created it, which I assume was you or HQ, to do it, and you failed to do so. And if its common sense to actually write it up properly and not just assume people know what you expect from us.Your leaders should be the ones to tell you what they expect from you. If they can't manage or control the group it isn't my problem.
Your leaders should be the ones to tell you what they expect from you. If they can't manage or control the group it isn't my problem.
It is your problem because the ones who wrote the treaty fucked up, and not my leaders. It was the treaty that was suppose to let everyone know what it was actually about and not make it blurry as fuck and just wait for leaders to tell them. If that was the case, you should of wrote nothing in the beginning.
We didn't write the treaty. Point were discussed, everyone was told how to do what and main points were published for general public. It was the job of your representatives to keep to up to date with what you can and can't do.
Still it wasn't written and even if we used it to our advantage, we still did not break it.Okay, so stop using it to your advantage and changing RP characters every 5 minutes and it may solve the problem.
If someone breaks a so called law without knowing because the constitution is blurry, the someone is let free because its the Government's fault. Same goes for this scenario.
Okay, so stop using it to your advantage and changing RP characters every 5 minutes and it may solve the problem.Maybe if Argonath has evolved past silly restrictions it wouldn't have come to this, but apparently only those allowed to have multiple rp characters are admins.
Okay, so stop using it to your advantage and changing RP characters every 5 minutes and it may solve the problem.
Let's say we were there FLA, which to be honest I do not know as we just randomly responded from around San Andreas just to go help at CMHQ, which is an ally territory. FLA members or NOT has nothing to do with it here. As I said, the treaty wasn't clarified with everyone and we just clearly used it to our advantage BUT did not break it, you did.Ally to who? FLA right? The people who came shooting were FLA no? So How can you claim FLA has nothing to do with it?
Ally to who? FLA right? The people who came shooting were FLA no? So How can you claim FLA has nothing to do with it?
Ally of almost every criminal. Corleone runs the cities of Los Santos if I recall. + EVEN if we were there as FLA, as I said, nothing was broken from OUR side.Corleone at the moment runs nothing. Nothing to do with mafia RP as of recent though that is a separate discussion. Not even if, you were FLA and you came blasting at the wrong place just to cause a shootout and now you're claiming you weren't. If anything you've proven you run around participating in every shootout you can find and not sticking to the original FLA RP you were given this treaty for. One of those agreements was FLA not operating like an army in LS and it did and apparently not as FLA some how.
Corleone at the moment runs nothing. Nothing to do with mafia RP as of recent though that is a separate discussion. Not even if, you were FLA and you came blasting at the wrong place just to cause a shootout and now you're claiming you weren't. If anything you've proven you run around participating in every shootout you can find and not sticking to the original FLA RP you were given this treaty for. One of those agreements was FLA not operating like an army in LS and it did but apparently not as FLA some how.
We were there protecting an ally territory, that itself is enough to tell you that we did have a reason to be present there. We asked you to leave, you did not. And not just that, but you also attempted to take our drugs. Did you expect us to put our hands behind our backs or just leave and whatever or what? We acted like men, you stood your ground and did the same. The problem was not there, the problem was the automatically raiding Angel Pine like its your back yard when we were continuously asked by HQ to roleplay it as an independent state. Doesn't matter if we used the treaty to our advantage or not, we still didn't break it.Protect an ally territory? What are you on about man? Are you attempting to liberate CMHQ as well or something? It was a crime scene at which police were investigating a marijuana production process. It wasn't rebels attempting to over through the government and claim CMHQ as their own. Firstly, you weren't even there in the first place. There was one suspect at the scene who was dealt with and you all came guns blasting.
Protect an ally territory? What are you on about man? Are you attempting to liberate CMHQ as well or something? It was a crime scene at which police were investigating a marijuana production process. It wasn't rebels attempting to over through the government and claim CMHQ as their own. Firstly, you weren't even there in the first place. There was one suspect at the scene who was dealt with and you all came guns blasting.
I expected you not to come in and start shooting cops after shouting "leave" three times. You didn't act like men, you acted like DMers but use FLA to say you're rebelling so it's justified but in this case even that wasn't the case so I see no reason for what you did. One minute you claim it was independent state RP and next you say it was not FLA but aiding ally.
First of all, yes I was present there, I was on the front lines, thanks for noticing me! :mad: And yes it is an ally territory because Corleone and FLA are like peanut butter and jelly, they go together. They help us, we help them. Their territory was being disturbed, we responded. We warned you to leave, you did not and you tried to continue steal our drugs. Did you expect us to watch you as you start taking what funds us away from us?Okay so you did come as FLA therefore you breached the treaty. Problem solved.
Okay so you did come as FLA therefore you breached the treaty. Problem solved.
And stop asking me what I expected from you. I've already told you. You job is to evade police not to confront them as terminators.
"Not confront them as terminators" is what exactly what you did when you were outnumbered. Also, in no where was it stated that we had no rights to leave Angel Pine and go roleplay elsewhere, so no, we did not breach shit.Admit it, you breached it. You already said it without realising.
Also, in no where was it stated that we had no rights to leave Angel Pine and go roleplay elsewhere, so no, we did not breach shit.True, but your roleplay is to go anywhere on the map to kill cops which is what we are trying to stop and contain in AP.
Agreement terms
• Citizens of the United States of Argonath and law enforcement have access to Flint County and Whetstone but law enforcement are not permitted to enter Angel Pine. Law enforcement officials who enter Angel Pine will be reported to senior law enforcement (FBI & SAPD Sgt+) who will then ensure those officers are removed from the restricted area. Law enforcement and civilians will still be allowed to use the highways bordering Angel Pine and access Mt. Chiliad.
• Criminals who are not FLA Soldier+ and enter Angel Pine can be engaged and arrested by law enforcement without any involvement of FLA regardless of area.
• Any suspect above Soldier rank will have to result in law enforcement negotiating the release of the suspect by FLA or any other possible outcome.
• Stop the moaning in public chat in-game and forums from both sides. No provoking comments or behavior in-game or forum.
• FLA will remove people who join for shootouts and do not participate with FLA RP.
• FLA will stop blocking main roads connecting cities such as Flint Intersection, LS-SF Tunnel etc.
• If entry is needed into Angel Pine for whatever reason, the highest ranking law enforcement official of any law enforcement agency should consult with the highest ranking FLA member.
I really can't keep up with the whole topic as it's all going too fast but...From what I see it was Law Enforcement who broke the treaty. They entered Angel Pine.Don't post if you haven't read the topic then since we've already been over this.
Sure FLA came to Los Santos and did a few things, but there's not a single mention of FLA not being allowed in Los Santos or not being allowed to do any crimes outside of Flint County. Yes, the treaty may have been created to stop shootouts and moaning, but you should've thought of it when you wrote it. Right now the only one who broke it from the evidence posted was PD.
Admit it, you breached it. You already said it without realising.
We exploited it, for our advantage, but you broke it. Understand that and we can move on. If you cannot understand that, move on anyway because I am done discussing this and trying to explain things to you.We would've broke it if you were doing some FLA shit in LS which lead to police attention and then you moved to AP but that wasn't the case since half go you say you were FLA and half of you say you weren't.
We would've broke it if you were doing some FLA shit in LS which lead to police attention and then you moved to AP but that wasn't the case since half go you say you were FLA and half of you say you weren't.
You solely came there for a shootout which is unacceptable and scraps the purpose of the treaty.
I really can't keep up with the whole topic as it's all going too fast but...From what I see it was Law Enforcement who broke the treaty. They entered Angel Pine.
Sure FLA came to Los Santos and did a few things, but there's not a single mention of FLA not being allowed in Los Santos or not being allowed to do any crimes outside of Flint County. Yes, the treaty may have been created to stop shootouts and moaning, but you should've thought of it when you wrote it. Right now the only one who broke it from the evidence posted was PD.
This is what I've concluded on what you expect from this so called treaty:Interaction between FLA and law enforcement which has a roleplay purpose and not just 3 times "leave" and shootout, yes.
1. No interaction between Law Enforcements and FLA Members whatsoever.
2. FLA Members have no right to exit Angel Pine.
2.1. FLA Members have no right to protect their lands.
3. Any drugs that are found, are automatically Law Enforcements' and if a criminal goes close, automatic #1 wanted by the state.
Did I hit anything? I probably did on all of them.
civilians/law enforcement has full jurisdiction over it, including AP except for the exceptions from FLA.
Any farms which are found by the police should be considered seized and people shouldn't gather every guy they know, hand him a gun with "lets go kill cops at my field" since your job is to evade police.
If I have a shipment coming and cops are trying to fuck with it, yes, I'll give every guy I know a gun to make sure they put you down, that's exactly the same thing I would of done in reality.Damn you brave. Have you ever been arrested before?
Damn you brave. Have you ever been arrested before?
You can show a few pictures of us entering Angel Pine to take care of criminals who quite clearly entered LS to commit criminal acts and engaged officers in doing so but it's not really representative of the whole story now is it?
Just today, about 2-4 hours earlier, you all decided to come into LS and do this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX7NlVBU-eA
Who broke the treaty again?
The treaty says nothing about FLA being banned from Los Santos, nor does it say anything about FLA getting into a shootout outside of Angel Pine.I guess the whole concept of a peace treaty is not a cease fire from both sides then. I must have been horribly mistaken.
Simple; cops fucked up telling officers to enter angel pine. Stop the god damn winning mentality and get off of your fucking egos for christ sake.
Who broke the treaty? You and other officers did including SWAT and FBI members. Congratulations.
It does NOT say FLA members can't enter Los Santos nor does it say anything about FLA getting into shootouts outside of Angel Pine.
Cops made the treaty so vague and now you try to enforce nonsense that isn't even included in it. Your own fault.
You gave them a loophole, you told FLA they are allowed to be wanted in Angel Pine, you specified NOTHING about them returning to Angel Pine to hide out while wanted. Stop blaming them and admit your own fuck up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX7NlVBU-eA
You setup the terms of this treaty, did they go to los santos to randomly get wanted? No they were helping Corleone members.Go speak to your fellow HQ members first. They are the ones who set this up and know what was discussed. And your claim about not making shit clear you them, I already said we discussed this point about suspects using it as a safe haven regarding what they can and can't do. It wasn't our job to write a book for them.
You (as in the officers) agreed to set terms which never specified anything about FLA shooting anyone nor did you specify FLA must stay in Angel Pine.
You setup the terms of this treaty, did they go to los santos to randomly get wanted? No they were helping Corleone members.thx point made pls lock topic
You (as in the officers) agreed to set terms which never specified anything about FLA shooting anyone nor did you specify FLA must stay in Angel Pine.
You setup the terms of this treaty, did they go to los santos to randomly get wanted? No they were helping Corleone members.We both agreed on the terms, it wasn't one sided. You can see in the video that clearly they went into LS looking for trouble and used their FLA membership as a way out of getting caught. The definition of 'peace' is no conflict between both sides. Shooting up half of LS and killing cops counts as conflict.
You (as in the officers) agreed to set terms which never specified anything about FLA shooting anyone nor did you specify FLA must stay in Angel Pine.
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We both agreed on the terms, it wasn't one sided. You can see in the video that clearly they went into LS looking for trouble and used their FLA membership as a way out of getting caught. The definition of 'peace' is no conflict between both sides. Shooting up half of LS and killing cops counts as conflict.Wasn't it peace as in let's negociate to stop fighting at FC-LS border?
Go speak to your fellow HQ members first. They are the ones who set this up and know what was discussed. And your claim about not making shit clear you them, I already said we discussed this point about suspects using it as a safe haven regarding what they can and can't do. It wasn't our job to write a book for them.
The only person from HQ who has a right to make that judgement is either Teddy or Leon.
Before signing a treaty or any form of contract one should always look for any possible exploitable terms or missing terms. Don't blame them for doing something that is inside of the treaty limitations.
The definition of 'peace' is no conflict between both sides. Shooting up half of LS and killing cops counts as conflict.
I was not even around when the treaty was created, do you see my name signed on it? No.I told you to speak to them because they will be able to inform you if we covered this topic or not. This post wasn't made for FLA or cops to use as a book to determine what they can and can't do hence the lack of detail. It was actually made to inform the general public of what is going on behind the scenes. Points were discussed and agreed upon by both sides and doing what they did at CMHQ was the very point which we raised about people doing this. Again point of treaty was to reduce shootouts, it was an attempt from HQ not to call it truce with FLA. It is still a terrorist organisation, it is still a group of people killing cops.
You agreed to the terms, not anyone's fault but yours for not wanting to specify things like FLA getting wanted and returning to FLA giving you the ability to ignore the treaty.
Why would anyone write a book for something that is clear as day? It says they will hand over non-FLA suspects to SAPD, it also says that;
"Any suspect above Soldier rank will have to result in law enforcement negotiating the release of the suspect by FLA or any other possible outcome. "
But I guess that was ignored too.
FLA did not break the treaty by entering LS to help friends, cops brought the fight to Angel Pine. It's on the police department for this cockup.
Teddy is not a part of HQ and Leon is a manager. I have the ability to make a judgement call on this as I am the one leading the server.
Before signing a treaty or any form of contract one should always look for any possible exploitable terms or missing terms. Don't blame them for doing something that is inside of the treaty limitations.
It is called a peace treaty, sure. Did it say anything about a cease fire between cops and FLA? No. You setup the terms, they stuck to what you told them to.
You all specified that cops would NOT rush in to Angel Pine, that you would negotiate handing over FLA suspects in Angel Pine.
The video provided shows the cops going up to FLA in LS, so it's still FLAs fault for being on the server?
It is called a peace treaty, sure. Did it say anything about a cease fire between cops and FLA? No. You setup the terms, they stuck to what you told them to.The foundation of the treaty was a cease fire from both sides. Ask your fellow HQ members or even Mikal. That was the fundamental principle behind it.
The foundation of the treaty was a cease fire from both sides. Ask your fellow HQ members or even Mikal. That was the fundamental principle behind it.
1. You're bringing irrelevant things into the discussion which don't even matter in the actual reason for this discussion. We're not here to debate about what FLA is made for.
2. Clearly it was since you just claim you came to help your friends and you brought a whole kill squad to CM HQ solely to stand there, threaten and shoot at cops.
3. Problem is it has everything to do with FLA since it's still the same people running to kill cops being FLA or not. And this "terrorist group" is being used as justification. I'v said already what you should've done and what the rules are for being a suspect and in what way you should aid suspects. You had no reason to shoot cops at CMHQ, no one engaged you, you solely came to say "leave" 3 times and start shooting.
4. I didn't write it, I just posted it. And anything in it was agreement upon by everyone.
6. We're not here to have TDM so it wasn't a loss. Also if I remember correctly, if was you who claimed in public chat TDM keeps inactivity away, yeah not here. Join DM server for that because frankly majority of people have had enough.
As I have said twice now, the treaty said nothing about FLA getting into a shootout with anyone.We find what they did not acceptable and consider what they did a breach of the treaty. So either the treaty gets renegotiated or it can be scrapped.
It specifically stated that if there are any suspected FLA members above soldier, cops would organize a negotiation for them to hand over the said criminals.
Sure things got out of hand, but you still should have put your best foot forwards and done as the treaty said you would over running in to Angel Pine with command trucks.
As I have said twice now, the treaty said nothing about FLA getting into a shootout with anyone.
You essentially gave them immunity if they are inside of Angel Pine with this agreement.
The treaty was designed to introduce some kind of interaction other than moaning and death between the parties involved. But you seriously can't tell me the treaty means an absolute cease fire between cops and FLA.
The treaty was designed to introduce some kind of interaction other than moaning and death between the parties involved. But you seriously can't tell me the treaty means an absolute cease fire between cops and FLA. You essentially gave them immunity if they are inside of Angel Pine with this agreement.Ye man it's horrific, we agreed to a treaty that gave them immunity inside Angel Pine. And Teddy and Leon ones that initiated the treaty process themselves. I don't know what the hell is on their mind for trying to make peace and end the shitstorms, but you need to get them in order as their boss. I find it very outrageous to have a developer and a manager try to maintain peace in the community between two parties at this time especially when the server turned into an unique roleplay of warfare (war simulation!), and that unique opportunity should be used and the government of Argonath should deploy special operation units and airstrikes against the militia in Flint County.
The treaty was designed to introduce some kind of interaction other than moaning and death between the parties involved. But you seriously can't tell me the treaty means an absolute cease fire between cops and FLA. You essentially gave them immunity if they are inside of Angel Pine with this agreement.
Ye man it's horrific, we agreed to a treaty that gave them immunity inside Angel Pine. And Teddy and Leon ones that initiated the treaty process themselves. I don't know what the hell is on their mind for trying to make peace and end the shitstorms, but you need to get them in order as their boss. I find it very outrageous to have a developer and a manager try to maintain peace in the community between two parties at this time especially when the server turned into an unique roleplay of warfare (war simulation!), and that unique opportunity should be used and the government of Argonath should deploy special operation units and airstrikes against the militia in Flint County.
I am going to assume you can't comprehend my post based on your response. You the police force agreed to those terms, why blame others?I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough before but we did not agree on what you think we agreed upon. And I don't think it'd make sense for you to assume we agreed upon that either since we didn't give anyone immunity. All these points were discussed in detail and main sketch of whats going on was posted here. It was job of all the representatives to make sure everything that is discussed to be enforced.
I was never for that treaty in first place, but hey, it's Teddy and Leon who initiated with the goal of ceasing shitstorms, so why should I go and argue against it?
I am also for ceasing down the shitstorms and TDM, so going against an idea that has a goal of ceasing shiststorm would be ironical.
Nope, I was for another way to cease the shitstorms but that would involve having to travel to Netherlands to find Gandalf and get his attention.
Nope, I was for another way to cease the shitstorms but that would involve having to travel to Netherlands to find Gandalf and get his attention.A unique roleplay opportunity?
unrealistic.I don't know what you are talking about.. Please explain how is that unrealistic!
I don't know what you are talking about.. Please explain how is that unrealistic!Easily, if there was some militia in United States of America that started rebelling using explosives and assault rifles, Obama wouldn't watch them grow and murder cops who wear glock 22 and AR-15 but would send in military and special forces to bring order. They come in with armored vehicles, advanced technology (surveillance, weaponry) and would easily overwhelm the militia in matter of days. Because real life is not fair and people driving pickup trucks with mounted machine guns on it can't stand an armored MRAP, humvee or an M1A2 tank, or a simple javelin.
(http://i63.tinypic.com/20qn8z7.jpg)And I wouldn't also like to take credit for making the treaty since I wasn't there when it was being created and I wasn't the one that suggested making such a thing.
Gandalf is the president, he can make such roleplay opportunity come true using his position of a president and ordering all kinds of sanctions :war:
No president would want some militia on his land to start rebellion and fight for independence, especially in Argonath that is more "centralized" having only one person with all authority - Gandalf.
So, as a president, it's highly unlikely he'd want his agencies like SAPD and FBI fight militia that is in possession of weapons like RPG, molotov, grenade and C4 with a desert eagle or a MP5.
Which is what is going on right now and it's unreasonable and highly unrealistic.
Easily, if there was some militia in United States of America that started rebelling using explosives and assault rifles, Obama wouldn't watch them grow and murder cops who wear glock 22 and AR-15 but would send in military and special forces to bring order. They come in with armored vehicles, advanced technology (surveillance, weaponry) and would easily overwhelm the militia in matter of days. Because real life is not fair and people driving pickup trucks with mounted machine guns on it can't stand an armored MRAP, humvee or an M1A2 tank, or a simple javelin.
Yeah but lets be honest, you were not going to go to him as president. You were going to go to him as OWNER of the server and cry then suck his dick at little bit then claim Devin is not taking your side and try to convice him to take your side.No, I been wanting somebody to establish a proper realistic response to the militia, but since nobody beside Gandalf can do it I just lost hope in it and went on for closing it.
Not that Argonath has anything to do with real life, but, yeah I guess you're right... :/I took that situation as a prime example in some other topic about FLA and showed them the other video where FBI was negotiating with the same militia people.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/28/oregon-militia-standoff-lavoy-finicum-shooting-dead-police-malehur-national-wildlife-refuge (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/28/oregon-militia-standoff-lavoy-finicum-shooting-dead-police-malehur-national-wildlife-refuge)
picEven though it makes no sense, I seem to have gotten some sort of enjoyment from seeing Matjaha carterrr ride a bike
Yeah but lets be honest, you were not going to go to him as president. You were going to go to him as OWNER of the server and cry then suck his dick at little bit then claim Devin is not taking your side and try to convice him to take your side.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AIlz08fZos
Easily, if there was some militia in United States of America that started rebelling using explosives and assault rifles, Obama wouldn't watch them grow and murder cops who wear glock 22 and AR-15 but would send in military and special forces to bring order. They come in with armored vehicles, advanced technology (surveillance, weaponry) and would easily overwhelm the militia in matter of days. Because real life is not fair and people driving pickup trucks with mounted machine guns on it can't stand an armored MRAP, humvee or an M1A2 tank, or a simple javelin.Thank you sir for the explanation.. I now support your cause!
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Easily, if there was some militia in United States of America that started rebelling using explosives and assault rifles, Obama wouldn't watch them grow and murder cops who wear glock 22 and AR-15 but would send in military and special forces to bring order. They come in with armored vehicles, advanced technology (surveillance, weaponry) and would easily overwhelm the militia in matter of days. Because real life is not fair and people driving pickup trucks with mounted machine guns on it can't stand an armored MRAP, humvee or an M1A2 tank, or a simple javelin.
No, I been wanting somebody to establish a proper realistic response to the militia, but since nobody beside Gandalf can do it I just lost hope in it and went on for closing it.You're right, I don't see any FBI member in a hunter or Hydra, real life looks good.
I took that situation as a prime example in some other topic about FLA and showed them the other video where FBI was negotiating with the same militia people.
There were no unrealistic demands like "GET OBAMA HERE TO SIGN ME INDEPENDNECE", but a realistic conversation with realistic expectations.
And yes, the militia also didn't wear AK47 in front of the Agents and didn't aim RPG at them for coming there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfUJZJoUR4
Hunter and hydra are the results of RPG, grenade and other explosive weapons that FLA easily used.
Remember how many times I tried talking with Mikal, spent 30 minutes wasting my time just so you can all at the end fire at will.
You didn't see the militia mentioned in the video go around and shoot the area up.
- People who are in multiple groups must choose between FLA and their other groups. You either represent the FLA, or you don't. It's not 'optional' to switch in order to circumvent this treaty. I understand this is troubling but we cannot have people using such an excuse to misuse the agreement; as has been already witnessed. It isn't exactly a far fetched concept either so, I'm fine in supporting it.
This does raise a few questionmarks, though. What exactly do you mean by having to choose?
Would you ever see a player part of both GSF and NBA?
Can FLA still patrol the streets of FC and pull over violators as well as hand out fines or punishments?
A person with /groups FLA cannot be like 'Oh I wasn't acting as FLA, I was acting as x group'
A person with /groups FLA cannot be like 'Oh I wasn't acting as FLA, I was acting as x group'
Doesn't that implicate that we are now going to be forced to stick to one character i.e. First_Last and stick with that character?
Neutral here and I'm simply raising a question.
A good idea to avoid conflict is for people to choose one single group and stick with it, instead of being in six groups at once and switching between them each week. I know that goes against our general vision (OUR vision, not THE vision :rolleyes: ) but it would ease the whole game of Guess Who.
Maybe not that constructive or achieveable though. It's something =P
Doesn't that implicate that we are now going to be forced to stick to one character i.e. First_Last and stick with that character?
- People who are in multiple groups must choose between FLA and their other groups. You either represent the FLA, or you don't. It's not 'optional' to switch in order to circumvent this treaty.
A person with /groups FLA cannot be like 'Oh I wasn't acting as FLA, I was acting as x group'
The thing is, they're not different characters for me. That character is essentially a biker living in Flint Country who happens to serve in the FLA. Like I said earlier, the FLA isn't really a primary kind of group for most of its members. The FLA is there to fight for a cause shared by many other people and groups, uniting them under the 'FLA' banner.In which case you need to stick to the treaty. :cop:
The thing is, they're not different characters for me. That character is essentially a biker living in Flint Country who happens to serve in the FLA. Like I said earlier, the FLA isn't really a primary kind of group for most of its members. The FLA is there to fight for a cause shared by many other people and groups, uniting them under the 'FLA' banner.
I see you still like to type walls of text :D.
May I propose a suggestion though - add a point where that if a FLA member comitts a crime outside of Los Santos, he should not go to Angel Pine until caught or evaded. IT is really annoying how some people abuse the treaty to piss off cops in Los Santos and then race to Angel Pine and there is nothing we can do about it or we could be HQ punished...
Hi, I've been inactive last week and just found this topic. Nice reading for my bus trip. Can anyone shortly update me, is this peace treaty still active, or broken into pieces?It's still alive, we amended it with a few extra points.
I guess one way to solve this "was it FLA or not?" would be to get an FLA-duty spot in the FLA HQ which gives you a green nametag. Anyone doing FLA things without being on duty would be punished either by administration or by FLA. If we ever would get this "buy M4 without notoriety" thing, also that should only be possible when on FLA duty, and the weapons would only be spawned when the member goes on duty.
Let's all organize a battle in LS between FLA and it's allies vs every LEA group+USAA. If Law wins, FLA gets no independence, if FLA wins, FLA gets independence.As if that battle isn't still ongoing, now with a recess period with the vultures watching over the field.
Let's all organize a battle in LS between FLA and it's allies vs every LEA group+USAA. If Law wins, FLA gets no independence, if FLA wins, FLA gets independence.Just fucking say World War, lol. This is cringe worthy guy, stop.
Example:
(http://i.makeagif.com/media/6-05-2016/78hsTW.gif) (http://makeagif.com/78hsTW)
Let's all organize a battle in LS between FLA and it's allies vs every LEA group+USAA. If Law wins, FLA gets no independence, if FLA wins, FLA gets independence.:lol: :lol: cant stop laughing of that war :)
Example:
(http://i.makeagif.com/media/6-05-2016/78hsTW.gif) (http://makeagif.com/78hsTW)
Let's all organize a battle in LS between FLA and it's allies vs every LEA group+USAA. If Law wins, FLA gets no independence, if FLA wins, FLA gets independence.