Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Teddy on September 04, 2016, 05:45:33 pm
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Hello,
We have released the first stage of Gang Wars, territories in our latest update. Territories are group owned zones throughout the map, roughly 50+ of them exist. A territory is claimed by having the group's protector set to a group. The group with most protectors set in a territory, is awarded that territory.
For existing owned or set protectors, simply reset the protector (/setprotector) in a territory and the script will recalculate the ownership.
To set the color of all your existing properties, assuming you have permission to manage territories, use the command: /groupsetcolor. This uses hex code.
Warning: This system was written before RS5 was released, and while it was tested extensively, and it did see some testing in RS5.2 beta, it still has been dormant for a long time. It may have some issues we've yet to discover.
This update also includes a custom mapped island, now named Teddy's Island Paradise along with a few bug fixes and the core of a new optimization system. In the coming updates this optimization framework will allow us to reduce the overhead caused by loops and timers by over 50% which will drastically reduce response time for commands, along with reducing script lag overall.
The entire system should be finished by mid November.
Kindly,
Developers
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Gang war? Don't that automatically pull away from RP into a DM fest?
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Gang war? Don't that automatically pull away from RP into a DM fest?
Absolutely at least in my perspective, but that's for @Gandalf. This is his idea. I guess we'll see how it goes before judging it though.
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Im not being mean here or rude or anything but seriously , this is how it gonna works , if soprano owns a territory , lucianos are driving there soprano will tell them to stop and kill them for driving around in their territory? isnt this gonna be dm?
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Gang war? Don't that automatically pull away from RP into a DM fest?
That's what I was going to say aswell. I guess it'll be removed in case DM fests starts happening(?).
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I think its a great idea :)
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A clarification:
You must be protector of 51% of the businesses in a territory. For today, and TODAY ONLY. I will go to your intended territory and tell you how many businesses in it.
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Lets see how it turns out but it is completely something new for our server for sure. Worth of try.
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New paruni... spawning at HQ... owned territories... turf war
#dm3
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Hotfix:
-> Uncontrolled territories will now be invisible, owned territories can be colored by the owner.
-> You will no longer get a warning for entering an unowned territory.
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any way to know bounderies of a specific turf? we can't really know which properties to buy to get our turf set up.
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any way to know bounderies of a specific turf? we can't really know which properties to buy to get our turf set up.
everyone complained about the warnings... so I removed them. Glhf.
I can temp set the color so you can see on the map of a specific territory.
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I can temp set the color so you can see on the map of a specific territory.
would be great
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New paruni... spawning at HQ... owned territories... turf war
#dm3
You of all people should love it!
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Absolutely at least in my perspective, but that's for @Gandalf. This is his idea. I guess we'll see how it goes before judging it though.
Can't remove blips which of course what advantage a roleplay server in the more roleplay direction instead we go the other way and pull a DM server kind of attitude. No offence but you'll end the server going this way.
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Can't remove blips which of course what advantage a roleplay server in the more roleplay direction instead we go the other way and pull a DM server kind of attitude. No offence but you'll end the server going this way.
Why are you blaming me?
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Can't remove blips which of course what advantage a roleplay server in the more roleplay direction instead we go the other way and pull a DM server kind of attitude. No offence but you'll end the server going this way.
I still don't get it why they refuse to remove blips. Not having blips on the radar doesn't make it a roleplay server...
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Can't remove blips which of course what advantage a roleplay server in the more roleplay direction instead we go the other way and pull a DM server kind of attitude. No offence but you'll end the server going this way.
This , My point.
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I still don't get it why they refuse to remove blips. Not having blips on the radar doesn't make it a roleplay server...
So In real life do you have a fuking radar which shows everyone blip??????
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Can't remove blips which of course what advantage a roleplay server in the more roleplay direction instead we go the other way and pull a DM server kind of attitude. No offence but you'll end the server going this way.
Hope you are happy with how your "roleplay"-server is turning out @Gandalf :)
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Why are you blaming me?
@Gandalf. This is his idea
I know it aint your fault ;)
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I can temp set the color so you can see on the map of a specific territory.
how soon could you do this?
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So In real life do you have a fuking radar which shows everyone blip??????
Tell Gandalf that, because it looks like he is the one refusing to take blips off.
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how soon could you do this?
When the DDOS attacks calm down.
But here for now:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/6sdlragp2yu2g1j/chrome_2016-09-04_12-45-56.png?dl=0)
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thank you!
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Thats Ganton , Should be green :D
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Well this will be the nail in the coffin.
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Well this will be the nail in the coffin.
Yeah lmao can't even believe that I'm reading this
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I am pretty sure that all of the secredty DMERS who reside here will hatre the idea., They want blips turned off to be wanted and running from cops forever, but having an actual risk to their hootout is of course the nail in the coffiin, as that would mean they would have to have lass shootouts, get wanted less and RP more.
NExt upp will be reversal of the rule that cops can not return after death as soon as I notice any more whinging about removal of blips.
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Was this the thing that spammed my chat everytime I go onto a new territory?
Pretty sure everyone within the 5.2 testing team said this was shit and looked made it a TDM server instead of an RP one.
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I Dont know what this ''Gang war'' thing is gonna give you but im too sure that it will bring the activity down in the future.
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I am pretty sure that all of the secredty DMERS who reside here will hatre the idea., They want blips turned off to be wanted and running from cops forever, but having an actual risk to their hootout is of course the nail in the coffiin, as that would mean they would have to have lass shootouts, get wanted less and RP more.
NExt upp will be reversal of the rule that cops can not return after death as soon as I notice any more whinging about removal of blips.
Yeah xDDDD
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I am pretty sure that all of the secredty DMERS who reside here will hatre the idea., They want blips turned off to be wanted and running from cops forever, but having an actual risk to their hootout is of course the nail in the coffiin, as that would mean they would have to have lass shootouts, get wanted less and RP more.
NExt upp will be reversal of the rule that cops can not return after death as soon as I notice any more whinging about removal of blips.
That's why people suggested we get a tool from the blackmarket and use it to hide our radar blip for 5 minutes with cooldowns between the usage.
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I am pretty sure that all of the secredty DMERS who reside here will hatre the idea., They want blips turned off to be wanted and running from cops forever, but having an actual risk to their hootout is of course the nail in the coffiin, as that would mean they would have to have lass shootouts, get wanted less and RP more.
NExt upp will be reversal of the rule that cops can not return after death as soon as I notice any more whinging about removal of blips.
April fools is on the 1st of April, not all of us who play on Argonath come to shoot at each other and would actully want to roleplay. Not to mention that you say having blips turned off would mean running from the cops forever? State the facts of that, do you have solid proof that would be the case? We had the test server before initial release of RS5.2 with the blips off the whole time and guess what we had alot more fun with them off then we do on, and I do roleplay a COP and US the cops actully want to see it also. Listen to us dammit.
That's why people suggested we get a tool from the blackmarket and use it to hide our radar blip for 5 minutes with cooldowns between the usage.
Thats a retarded unbalanced idea just remove them COMPLETELY all sides of the river.
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April fools is on the 1st of April, not all of us who play on Argonath come to shoot at each other and would actully want to roleplay. Not to mention that you say having blips turned off would mean running from the cops forever? State the facts of that, do you have solid proof that would be the case? We had the test server before initial release of RS5.2 with the blips off the whole time and guess what we had alot more fun with them off then we do on, and I do roleplay a COP and US the cops actully want to see it also. Listen to us dammit.
Thats a retarded unbalanced idea just remove them COMPLETELY all sides of the river.
I get the advantages. However you do not get the disadvantages.
So leave already before I get banned.
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I get the advantages. However you do not get the disadvantages.
What disadvantages?
So leave already before I get banned.
What?
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What disadvantages?
NEw players being unable to find others because they have no idea where to go
Players being able to hide and run forever, as with a map dthe size of SA you will never find a smart running criminal, onlye the ones who are fter constant shootouts and cop baiting will be found, and of course the crinimals tired of being wanted.
IT will make the server look dead and make the role of cops impossible.
What?
Like being banned from forum the next 2 weeks.
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So you are going to start banning people because they disagree with you?
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IT will make the server look dead and make the role of cops impossible.
People i spoke within the PD and it's CMD staff agrees with the Idea, whats the probable of making a 2 week tryout?
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NExt upp will be reversal of the rule that cops can not return after death as soon as I notice any more whinging about removal of blips.
That wouldn't be bad! please do so! it was made as "temporary" "tryout" thing and ended up lasting for months now.
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As much as I agree with blips being removed, or at least more restrictive, just give up. Every argument you guys can make for it, I've already made with him. He won't budge. It's not worth getting all worked up and banned over it.
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NEw players being unable to find others because they have no idea where to go
This new players shit again. Can you start focusing on the ACTUAL players, to keep them in the server instead of new players. Out of 10 new players the chance that one is here to RP is 1 percent. Seriously, all you see from new players is, fucking around trolling being fucking retarded all over main chat or hacking. Stop focusing on new players cause the nowadays new players are mentally challenged. Focus on keeping what you have first then start thinking about new players.
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Like being banned from forum the next 2 weeks.
You are joking, right? This is just a awful joke, german humor and all that.. ?
If you can't stand listening to the community input than you are not a good leader. Plain and simple.
Well this will be the nail in the coffin.
So you would rather have a system that forces people to shoot each other than remove blips? Sound fucking logic right there. What's next? I'm literally on the edge of my seat.
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So you are going to start banning people because they disagree with you?
Nope just remvoing trolls like you.
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You are joking, right? This is just a awful joke, german humor and all that.. ?
If you can't stand listening to the community input than you are not a good leader. Plain and simple.
So you would rather have a system that forces people to shoot each other than remove blips? Sound fucking logic right there. What's next? I'm literally on the edge of my seat.
No joke, out for 30 days,
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Savage.
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This new players shit again. Can you start focusing on the ACTUAL players, to keep them in the server instead of new players. Out of 10 new players the chance that one is here to RP is 1 percent. Seriously, all you see from new players is, fucking around trolling being fucking retarded all over main chat or hacking. Stop focusing on new players cause the nowadays new players are mentally challenged. Focus on keeping what you have first then start thinking about new players.
YEah that wiorked really good under Devin. Result is that the playercount dropped further and further.
As you know I have given permission for a tryout once there is stable over 100 players. If you can manage that with the existing players, go ahead. Until then you will have to get in new players and make them feel welcome instead of trying to keep them out of your precious secret roleplay.
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LOL we reached 138 players and you still said no. Please.
Welcome new players? I tried, I ended up flying from Los Santos to San Fierro. I don't want to try that again.
You know what's the first thing a new player is? "WHAT SERVER IS THIS" or "THIS IS ROLEPLAY SERVER" Because 1. Main chat and 2. Blips.
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There's a difference between peak playercount and average playercount. If you think of making some events and ceremonies every day just to drag up to 130 players then nah.
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If you can manage that with the existing players, go ahead.
Can't manage that when we keep pushing our regulars away further and further.
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Can't manage that when we keep pushing our regulars away further and further.
Only the regulars that hate newcomers and can not roleplay anyway.
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Only the regulars that hate newcomers and can not roleplay anyway.
Come in-game rn. You try roleplaying with the new players. 100% of them have been banned. You want to RP with the one I'm about to ban? He's hacking minigun.
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Only the regulars that hate newcomers and can not roleplay anyway.
Nobody hates them. They are fun to hang around with. But not when you either become a fucking Harry Poter and fly with his car because he did RIPAZHA or they just spawn a minigun and "Say hello to my little friend".
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Come in-game rn. You try roleplaying with the new players. 100% of them have been banned. You want to RP with the one I'm about to ban? He's hacking minigun.
I converted more hackers to RP than we have regulars.
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Just banned 4 more of these popular roleplaying new players. One of them was roleplaying a car god who could teleport cars.
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Ya'll don't like it but ya'll still ingame but that's none of my business, just passing through.
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I converted more hackers to RP than we have regulars.
I'll see you in-game shortly then to start the conversions then? There's an endless wave appearing now. :)
At this rate if you convert all the ones in the next hour we'll have 100 players easily and can remove blips :clap:
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I converted more hackers to RP than we have regulars.
That's because you got a magic stick and we don't. Give us those aswell and you'll see how we'll do that.
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Why don't we let new players see blips in map till they get passport, meanwhile us the others not able to see blips?
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I converted more hackers to RP than we have regulars.
Oh, and now you're converting RP to forum banned. :app:
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Just stop banning people who are dedicated roleplayers. Those people you forum banned and said something in the forum are great roleplayers which you probably never had the chance to roleplay with cause ... you were never there to do that. Why people leave? Sure thing, because shit like the territory thing are happening to the server. If you keep adding this stuff you'll see the server die faster than a forum ban.
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- New players want an active server. We push them away, less regulars, less incentive for new players.
- New players want a community that listens. We don't enough (not just blips, but Gang War as well, and many other aspects). They see a community owner who pushes people who fight for ideas a way.
- New players want a place where there is a welcoming environment. You just banned a few of our best helpers. Who specifically volunteer entirely to help new players and others learn our server.
You say you are for the new players yet in this topic we see exactly the opposite.
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So I have to force people to give me a share of their business profits? That's quite impossible to happen when people would rather shoot themselves than cough up a few hundred dollars. What you'll see is groups buying as many as businesses as possible to color the map and business owners being pussies about it.
Improve the system by making it an attack/defend script where groups have to fight others to own their territory, a claimed territory cannot be attacked once again for like 3 days or some shit. Groups can fight along their friends to minimize losses as well, a specific amount of players have to be online from both groups to be able to attack a territory.
Can you kids stop bitching about ruining RP and look at the community's name? It says Argonath fucking RPG, keyword is RPG here, you want to be an RPG server? You have to have RPG elements, this is an RPG element.
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Why are you just focusing on new players instead of old players, who are playing from last 6 or 7 years, when we try to do RP with newplayers they avoid us or shout in public chat "help they are trying to kill me"... They come in-game and start hacking, DDosed the server, talented newplayers.
Disagreed with territory update.
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- New players want an active server. We push them away, less regulars, less incentive for new players.
- New players want a community that listens. We don't enough (not just blips, but Gang War as well, and many other aspects). They see a community owner who pushes people who fight for ideas a way.
- New players want a place where there is a welcoming environment. You just banned a few of our best helpers. Who specifically volunteer entirely to help new players and others learn our server.
You say you are for the new players yet in this topic we see exactly the opposite.
Your policies clearly did not work, else you would not be in need of new players.
Time to get back to how Argonath should be, a place where new players are welcome instead of booted out.
And I did not ask to to switch it on immediately, I asked you to create it for a possible 5.3 as intended, that means territories will be the thing that criminal groups use to fight over instead of killing eahc other for no reason at all.
IF that is kiling RP, then those people have no idea what RP is.
Now go mand make the scripts as you are being told instead of trying tyo please players who have no idea what they really want most of the time.
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Why are you just focusing on new players instead of old players, who are playing from last 6 or 7 years, when we try to do RP with newplayers they avoid us or shout in public chat "help they are trying to kill me"... They come in-game and start hacking, DDosed the server, talented newplayers.
Disagreed with territory update.
Very simple. because most players will stop playing after 5-6 years. The ones who stay are very welcome, especially if they use their experience to guide new ones. But if they are here to try and keep out new players and have the server for themselves, you should understand that it is the main reason of player count going down steadily. I appreciate everyone who cames in to the server on a regular base, expecially if they are here for a logn time. And I am sure there are some who have done a lot of work that they did not get enough appreciation for.
But at the same time, you can not expect people to play forever, which means you have to be inviting to new players.
Sure a lot of the mare hackers and only come to make trouble. But that has never been different, and if the atmosphere is not welcoming people will faster try to disturb things.
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Time to get back to how Argonath should be, a place where new players are welcome instead of booted out.
How are we exactly boosting new players out?
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How are we exactly boosting new players out?
By calling them hackers and DDOSSers you show you are pretty paranoid about any new player. Then almost any idea I see disavantages new players, including may already implemented. All of it shows that experienced players want to have advantages and consider themselves a higher level. Bigoted and arrogant.
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Why don't we let new players see blips in map till they get passport, meanwhile us the others not able to see blips?
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By calling them hackers and DDOSSers you show you are pretty paranoid about any new player. Then almost any idea I see disavantages new players, including may already implemented. All of it shows that experienced players want to have advantages and consider themselves a higher level. Bigoted and arrogant.
Well maybe if we haven't experienced that already, we wouldn't call them "hackers and DDOSSers". I don't judge them that way anyway, but really, really big percent of them are actually spoiled kids who are only satisfied with the usage of cheats. Actually the tolerance level for hackers is currently really really above than what should be. But it's your server, you make the rules.
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We need both new players and regulars. We need regulars as a base of Argonath, who's gonna lead the newplayers in becoming regular players as well.
Pushing one of these groups will lead to a death server again. If you push the regulars out, and favor new players, then by the time those new players develop into regulars, asking for the same things, as the old ones, you've gonna be pushing them out as well.
Because then those developed regular players are gonna go to other servers, while Argonath is gonna be left with new players, as a 'player acadamy' that's gonna do all the work, turn a hacker into a decent roleplayer, and then when he hits the highlight, he's gonna go to a different server, instead of offering back to Argonath everything he knows.
On the other hand, if newplayers are pushed out, Argonath has no future as well.
In my opinion, the HQ should listen to what the Community needs and asks for, and balance it as much as it can, to keep regulars happy, while offering new players big enough reasons to stay here.
About this territory shizzle, I dont really have an opinion. Since its based on business ownership, and not on a gang war win or what ever, it wont really create lots of constant wars like people are afraid. At least not more then there is now.
A Balla is gonna die in Ganton, with this script or not anyway.
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By calling them hackers and DDOSSers you show you are pretty paranoid about any new player.
Well, admins are giving them chances by kicking them to remove their hacks, they do not. Should we start paying them to remove the hacks? And DDOSSers, those who DDOS are not new players, they are old players who love to play with bullshit attacking programs that attack a gaming server, because they got no life.
Then almost any idea I see disavantages new players, including may already implemented. All of it shows that experienced players want to have advantages and consider themselves a higher level. Bigoted and arrogant.
Everyone starts from zero, everyone did. Everyone was once a new player, scripts are the same for everyone. They got jobs to increase their economy and they got all different kind of groups they can hang around with. But instead, it's a super low amount of new players that do try to listen what others say and not go fully mental in main chat by spamming and stuff. They just do not read when old players say what to do and how to do it. We have got helpers now, we are doing the best we can. We're scared to TP to LSAP cause instantly we start getting beat up by some xxxpussyslayer69xxxx player who is obviously here to troll or like I said, we take a flight by a random guy who decides to use *insert hack program name here* to throw players or to car rain hack. Trust me, we do try our best before we boost people out. And we do boost out those who deserve to be boosted out not those who are obviously here to stay.
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lol
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I know that it is Gandalf running this server, but why do you not give the players what they want?
You don't see players saying "Fuck Argonath, I am going to stop playing here because they never invented by gang wars idea." because they don't make ideas oriented towards DM and TDM, but more like RP oriented ideas like a revamp of the suspect system, etc
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A Balla is gonna die in Ganton, with this script or not anyway.
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Gandalf, I don't know where you're getting this idea that we're shunning new players from.
As you can see we have integrated a help system specifically catered to helping new players. And aside from answering the occasional server question, I have seen time and time again our experienced players going out of their way to pick up a new guy and show him where city hall is, where to start making some money, and even some of the basics of roleplay. My group has an associate system which not only seeks to train new guys in the ways of Gvardia, but to also help shape them into independent players who understand how to roleplay. We even have a script that shows in bright colors when a new player has registered, and broadcasts when they finally receive their passport
If anything, we have been paying more attention to the individual needs of new players now more than in the entire history of RS5 - both scriptwise and in terms of player attitudes.
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Absolutely at least in my perspective, but that's for @Gandalf. This is his idea. I guess we'll see how it goes before judging it though.
Oh i get it now, so when players want blips removed we cant have that, when Gandalf wants gang wars it immediately gets implemented? Good stuff guys good stuff. :app:
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lol
Let me try to be constructive.
Pure bullshit.
why do you not give the players what they want?
This
good job gandalf very good :app:
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People talking about "newbies" and 90 percent of them are hackers. Pushing off people who are active and playing daily on your server is a very bad idea.
You blame people for "trolling" but they're just supporting their idea, if it is against your vision then simply restrict making suggestions. You should listen to their voice since those "trolling veterans" you're talking about are keeping your server alive and they're the last people deserving to be disrespected. ;)
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There are hundreds if not thousands of communities that have started and died in the life span of this community, there is something that differs us from them. Is it the scripts? It's not the god damn scripts and you know that, servers that pay their scripters died for the love of god. Is it the great support of our community founder that pays the bills and comes out of his cave every 6 months? You know it isn't, the only time we talk to you is on argo birthdays where we demand money and we don't get any.
It is us. The regular players, the veterans, the people who are here through thick and thin, may it be banned for bullshit, may it be living through CBFasi's reign, it is us who built the community, I don't know in what crooked ass world you live in where you think "oh, new players stay for the scripts and leave because people are mean to them" no, they see people, they see us either goofing around or roleplaying, whichever we feel like and if they are intrigued they stay.
By pushing away, literally banning veterans of this community you are successfully killing it by stabbing it in the heart. You might say that Devin and Teddy ruined everything because they made a rock solid community that is bringing back old players (oh noes more veterans must ban those now) that acknowledges the rules and how things work. But at least they didn't start banning people who disagreed with them.
You dream of making hackers into roleplayers while there are admins on the server that have to deal with 20 rulebreakers and hackers joining by themselves while you enjoy your time shitposting. Great. Good job on the thinking thing Gandalf. I see that still works, how about you start actually helping.
I have no idea where you get the idea for "veterans shoving away new players" though. In the wave of new players that joined from the recent official hosting we got a huge amount of noobs who are at this point in recognized families, hell some leading recognized families. I would love to see you show proof of us hating on noobs. Nobody disrespects them and calls them hackers unless their name is literally Demos_Servos_DDOS and starts saying "I will DDOS the server because you banned me :(" Is your concern admins and moderators spectating new players as soon as they join the game? Do you want admins to make a list of every hacker that joins so you can turn him into a roleplayer?
Releasing a script, not even releasing a script, forcing the hand of Teddy to release a script that the veterans dislike? Alright. Let's take it as you just telling us "let's give it a try" You know what? That is great. Let's give new scripts a try. After this we maybe could give no blips a try?
Or in layman's terms:
lol
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It would be interesting to see Gandalf's arguments after all we said so far. Maybe he's realizing his mistake.
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Show, don't tell. Else noone is changing anyone's mind. Makes for a pointless argument.
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Your policies clearly did not work, else you would not be in need of new players.
Time to get back to how Argonath should be, a place where new players are welcome instead of booted out.
And I did not ask to to switch it on immediately, I asked you to create it for a possible 5.3 as intended, that means territories will be the thing that criminal groups use to fight over instead of killing eahc other for no reason at all.
IF that is kiling RP, then those people have no idea what RP is.
Now go mand make the scripts as you are being told instead of trying tyo please players who have no idea what they really want most of the time.
@Gandalf so while we're trying to create a better rp atmosphere in game, and find something actually worth fighting, you decide to give players a reason to fight 24/7?
edit: excuse is a better word.
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So Now people are gonna use the reason territory to dm instead of robbery? BRAVO
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Oh i get it now, so when players want blips removed we cant have that, when Gandalf wants gang wars it immediately gets implemented? Good stuff guys good stuff. :app:
He's the owner so yeah, I guess that how things go, but be aware we're players of this server and our requirements have to be filled in too. You guys should listen to the voice of players, who invest their time here to have some fun and instead of doing scripts they ask for, you ban them.
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This is interesting. It can go in several ways that I can predict in the time it takes me to prepare a glass of whiskey.
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I converted more hackers to RP than we have regulars.
And where are they all now? If you converted so many, why don't we have anyone that can vouch for you?
When I came back to server, with my group weak, I recruited new players at LSAP. There was one guy, hacking armour. I told him to turn hacks off, I drove him to electronics store, bought him phone and CB radio, invited him to group as trail and roleplayed with him all day. At the end of the day he told me "sorry I gtg, you are nice, you are admin right??" and then he logged off. I never saw him again.
Not everything is sunshine and flowers in-game. From my experience converting isn't hard, but making them stay is.
Now go mand make the scripts as you are being told instead of trying tyo please players who have no idea what they really want most of the time.
Not everyone is a 14 year old child who needs big daddy Gandalf to tell them what they really want.
Really Gandalf, you built this place together with Aragorn, and it has lasted for 10 years. And while you have my (and the community's) utmost respect for that, you need to listen to your players for that respect not to fade. Please, be reasonable and stop forum banning veterans for disagreeing with you, they are the ones actually playing and helping new players in-game. Put some trust into the players once in a while, you may be surprised.
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Your policies clearly did not work, else you would not be in need of new players.
I can guarantee if I was allowed to do them without your constant interruption it would do 10x better than your destruction. I care about the current players and new players unlike you who only gives a shit about the players who don't even play here.
and for your information we didn't get new players up until recently because SA-MP client is bugged and the Internet tab isn't working. I wasn't going to pay for hosted tab so we can get this wave of new players who don't do shit but hack, ban evade, then DDOS the server when they get banned again. So don't pin that on me and actually learn something about the system you're so "interested" in all of a sudden.
I'll script what you want just to see it blow up in your face. So I can be here in the moment this community dies and just be like "I told you so" with such pride.
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I should just say fuck this and make my own actual roleplaying community like everyone keeps suggesting...
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It is us. The regular players, the veterans, the people who are here through thick and thin, may it be banned for bullshit, may it be living through CBFasi's reign, it is us who built the community, I don't know in what crooked ass world you live in where you think "oh, new players stay for the scripts and leave because people are mean to them" no, they see people, they see us either goofing around or roleplaying, whichever we feel like and if they are intrigued they stay.
By pushing away, literally banning veterans of this community you are successfully killing it by stabbing it in the heart. You might say that Devin and Teddy ruined everything because they made a rock solid community that is bringing back old players (oh noes more veterans must ban those now) that acknowledges the rules and how things work. But at least they didn't start banning people who disagreed with them.
This. Is. Gold.
Respect.
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I should just say fuck this and make my own actual roleplaying community like everyone keeps suggesting...
Yes please.
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RIP.. My heart will go on..
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accurate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBKcAc8VpIw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPW8y6woTBI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2WH8mHJnhM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NmUcdptXsE
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I should just say fuck this and make my own actual roleplaying community like everyone keeps suggesting...
Normally I'd recommend you do just that but I think it's kinda too late for that now after many years beating a dead horse.
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holy shit it's happening
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This topic is a mess..
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I'm gonna say this from my point of view.
I've been away from Argonath for approx. 2 years. The main reason was the release of RS5 because I wasn't a big fan of the new scripts with all the bugs and glitches it still had. After all this time I come back and as a veteran player, I can say that the new script is more strict but it got me intrigued to find out more about it making me nostalgic about the old days when I used to play on Argonath 24/7. Why would you want to lose that interest of people by implementing something nobody wants? Turn Argonath into a TDM server? Just go ahead and say it so we can all leave.
@Gandalf I don't really see the point of your shitty behavior tbh. You're not a boss, you're a leader. Boss' implement their own ideas not minding the thoughts of others, leaders adapt to their people and listen. Don't do this kind of shit when Argonath is finally 'getting back' to it's old ways.
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How to kill your own Community 101. Vol.1
P.S: on the blip jammer topic. You realise you lose noto for killing or dont gain it zt keast right @Gandalf
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Gandalf, you have to realize that you can not demand the respect of players for your recent work. Players will respect you if you make yourself earned to it. You seem to put greed above need here and you do not appreciate those who work so hard for you. You are starting to lose respect by players. Furthermore, the players see a big loop in the whole HQ and they are pointing it out to you right now. How attractive is it for the community when you talk to Teddy like he is a dog? Teddy has every right to reply the way he does when someone is showing such a disrespect as you are doing.
I am not biased as I am personally not the biggest fan of Teddy. I have had my agreements and disagreements with Teddy so do not misunderstand me. I hardly speak with Teddy. However, from my point of view as a player, I can see that Teddy has made a lot of changes for the good of this community, while he is trying to walk us onto different paths, you always come in and steer the ship into a different direction which the players hates. This is just pure dictatorship from you. I do think you know better than this. You do not play daily on Argonath, the players does. And regardless if this was a real life RP server or just an RPG, then you'd do your thing regardless as none can say shit against you IG. So it would not affect you.
To me, it seems like you are deliberately steering this ship towards the biggest iceberg to sink it so you don't have to confront players about not being motivated to continue Argonath.
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I suggest that we simply let it be for now and see how it goes?
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I suggest that we simply let it be for now and see how it goes?
It doesn't really matter now, Gandalf already fucked it up with his attitude.
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You guys are doing it wrong. All of ya.
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It doesn't really matter now, Gandalf already fucked it up with his attitude.
Not to be an asslicker here, but he's really not the only one to blame for this mess. I'm sick and tired of people constantly complaining about everything. Whether that's new scripts, or anything really. Being the HQ is really a pain in the ass from what I've seen so far.
And yes, I do not really see the point of bringing such a DM addition to Argonath but I'll at least let it be for now just to see how it goes. If there's to be a dead end, so be it. At least you can all stay here and shout "We told you so".
You guys are doing it wrong. All of ya.
Agreed.
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This is an awesome idea, why so hate?
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Im not going to try and choose a side here . Im only going to say what i see and know so far . I and so many others applied to be mods+ for Argonath and when the new wave then ones chosen were selected for a new role. A Helper, we were chosen to keep an eye out for new players, to help them to guide them and to lead them we were set as a stepping stone to help them learn and adapt and enjoy the server, if they needed help they were introduced to /H which would allow them to ask any questions they need help with..this isnt just for new players its open for old and new alike but im not focusing on the Veterans here. My gaze is on the new players. i understand you want new players Gandalf and you are trying to implement new things to spice the game play up but what you do not see is new players have every chance to learn and stay when they join they have the helpers to help them , after a few days they have the Regular players to help them and after they get their passports and such they have the Veterans to help guide them to groups to find them a place to fit it and if it is needed the mods + to up hold the rules. Its not always fun being a Helper sometimes i and im sure many of us can agree with me here but i have seen people register and i have gone to them to help them, to answer questions and lead them to a car to help them with a job and upon arrival been met by carjacking or constant punching/hitting been met with being thrown in the air, been shot , blown up, talked down to and many other things. So yes sometimes its needed to ban those new players but i have seen in many cases staff members instead of banning this person freeze them talk to them try to explain and then kick them with a note saying remove the hacks and freely return. i have seen some players return without hacks and i have seen some return with them anyways and get banned. But i can somewhat see where Gandalf is going with this, i dont fully agree with it yet, but thats because i dont know it well enough to say anything. he is only trying to spice of the game play some to make a new attraction to the server. I dont like the Idea but im willing to give it a shot of course. As i said above im not trying to pick a side, i am merely trying to shed some light on a few things. Thank you for taking the time to read this (if you did) and i hope it helps . (sorry for a last response. i tend to sleep during the day )
Signed
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IG: Yulya
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an awesome idea
lv9999
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everyone complained about the warnings... so I removed them. Glhf.
I can temp set the color so you can see on the map of a specific territory.
What if you add a command that players are able to activate/deactivate the turfs on radar?
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You guys are doing it wrong. All of ya.
Exactly this. And we need to start fixing it or we're doomed.
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I should just say fuck this and make my own actual roleplaying community like everyone keeps suggesting...
Calm down, mate. I bet Gandalf is not the simpleton he appeared to be. Maybe if he comes online more often he can stay in touch with the roleplayers and see what is actually happening. Times change. It's not the old generation that wants to learn things and explore the world. It's a generation of spoiled kids with a lot of ease given.
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Not to be an asslicker here, but he's really not the only one to blame for this mess. I'm sick and tired of people constantly complaining about everything. Whether that's new scripts, or anything really. Being the HQ is really a pain in the ass from what I've seen so far.
And yes, I do not really see the point of bringing such a DM addition to Argonath but I'll at least let it be for now just to see how it goes. If there's to be a dead end, so be it. At least you can all stay here and shout "We told you so".
Agreed.
Haha? Complaining? In which fucked up server did u saw gang war and terrirtory shit? Anyways I aint going to come ig and see a shitty colored marked area in the radar nor seeing groves killing ballas cuz "your in the groves hood , your dead."
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Oi people, the only new thing this update brings, is Teddy's island and map colors. Profiting from a territory you own? Was already there, since rs5.2. Matter of fact, it required 70% of all business in the area, so you would control the territory. Now it's 51%. So, instead of complaining, you should be happy. You don't have to work all that hard anymore to gain control of 70% of the total businesses. Colors and notifications, big fucking deal. Not all the map will be colored as you put it, or whatever you fear.
Anyways I aint going to come ig and see a shitty colored marked area in the radar nor seeing groves killing ballas cuz "your in the groves hood , your dead."
Haha? And groves didn't kill ballas when ballas went to Ganton, pre-update? Or vice-versa? In which fucked up server did you play, 'cause in Argonath I've seen that shit many times.
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Oi people, the only new thing this update brings, is Teddy's island and map colors. Profiting from a territory you own? Was already there, since rs5.2. Matter of fact, it required 70% of all business in the area, so you would control the territory. Now it's 51%. So, instead of complaining, you should be happy. You don't have to work all that hard anymore to gain control of 70% of the total businesses. Colors and notifications, big fucking deal. Not all the map will be colored as you put it, or whatever you fear.
Haha? And groves didn't kill ballas when ballas went to Ganton, pre-update? Or vice-versa? In which fucked up server did you play, 'cause in Argonath I've seen that shit many times.
Atleast they had another fucking reason now their reason is your in our territory , and you think if ballas stay in grove street groves gonna watch? pff
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Haha? Complaining? In which fucked up server did u saw gang war and terrirtory shit? Anyways I aint going to come ig and see a shitty colored marked area in the radar nor seeing groves killing ballas cuz "your in the groves hood , your dead."
Shall i remind you that you guys have been doing it for years? Coming into grove and saying "get the fuck out of here, this is our turf" just to cause mess and dm fests? I do remember all of you doing that everytime you had the chance to and as you can see you guys didn't need a territory script to fuck around, it's the mentality of almost every single player who doesn't give a damn about getting a proper reason to fight which ruins the fun, not a script that adds just colors. I'm against this script for this exact reason, it will be misused and the way it works doesn't exactly make it good for a roleplay server like ours, which recently turned into TDM type of "interactions" where basically you are either a cop or a criminal fighting for some unknown glory.
I don't really think that a script which makes you hunt zones will bring the true gang wars that you want, Gandalf. I'm all up to see how this turns out but if your intentions are to have more new players, pushing away every regular and rejecting every idea you don't like without even giving it a try ain't going to work.
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Shall i remind you that you guys have been doing it for years? Coming into grove and saying "get the fuck out of here, this is our turf" just to cause mess and dm fests? I do remember all of you doing that everytime you had the chance to and as you can see you guys didn't need a territory script to fuck around, it's the mentality of almost every single player who doesn't give a damn about getting a proper reason to fight which ruins the fun, not a script that adds just colors. I'm against this script for this exact reason, it will be misused and the way it works doesn't exactly make it good for a roleplay server like ours, which recently turned into TDM type of "interactions" where basically you are either a cop or a criminal fighting for some unknown glory.
I don't really think that a script which makes you hunt zones will bring the true gang wars that you want, Gandalf. I'm all up to see how this turns out but if your intentions are to have more new players, pushing away every regular and rejecting every idea you don't like without even giving it a try ain't going to work.
Could you please show me a ss of me going there and fucking around? no? you cant? jov comes to gs9 throws a fucking molotov i call that dm.
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Atleast they had another fucking reason now their reason is your in our territory , and you think if ballas stay in grove street groves gonna watch? pff
another? Like, for example? What? lmao man I've been there I've seen that shit go down. I know what it's for. I've been shot at gs9 too, for being in ballas turf. Killed some ballas and moved on, that's how it goes. I won't go and claim idlewood. Why? Because it's ballas, they won't just move to another place, they literally play at gs9.
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Could you please show me a ss of me going there and fucking around? no? you cant? jov comes to gs9 throws a fucking molotov i call that dm.
Stop playing innocent trying to turn this thread into another shitstorm, it's obvious you don't know half of the things that your group has been doing for the past two years because they were bored, i got over it and so you should. You can't win everytime and considering what you guys have been doing to cause dm fests all around, a molotov is nothing.
Now let's stop with the personal fights, shall we? If you don't like playing anymore, take a pause, go play elsewhere and you'll be fine.
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James ever noticed what i do 3-5 minutes before throwing a molotov at you? Welcome to a roleplay server
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Topic related, territories are too big. Would it be possible to give groups custom turf possibly smaller than the current ones?
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ARGONATH... A World Of Its Own. :bananarock:
Chill guys, take a break, let's see how it goes.
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Would it be possible to give groups custom turf possibly smaller than the current ones?
That would defeat legitimately the entire purpose of the system. You need to fight/earn/win/extort/etc for the zone you are in.
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That would defeat legitimately the entire purpose of the system. You need to fight/earn/win/extort/etc for the zone you are in.
This script defeated the purpose of yours, Devins and everyone elses journey to making this an actual RP server
@Gandalf How about you grow up and realise that this is 2016 and your vision is unrealistic? How about you come ingame and see how much RP "Blips Bring In". New players interested in RP get thrown off by it and leave, the remaining ones are trolls/Hackers. Now this Territory Shit? Come on you want it to get rid of some of the Criminal/Cop server RP. How does this help? By encouraging DM to take over a turf? This ain't a DM server in real life, if you're new to a city, you have no idea who owns what, if you a gangbanger? You know where you can walk. What this is, is a waste of time and digging yourself a grave. You call out Devin and Teddy? Oh yeah, good idea, piss off the ones who created something Argonath Couldn't be without them. Yeah they fucked up a couple times, but look back at your own mistakes. All I got to say is GG Mate.
#TeddyMakeYourOwnCommunity.
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This script defeated the purpose of yours, Devins and everyone eleses journey to making this an actual RP server
No shit but it's alright. Gandalf knows best.
Let's just keep this on topic. He's not coming back today, his one day has come and go. We'll see in a few weeks... or Christmas.
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Make territories shine when someone is brandishing a weapon!
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Actually, I can't see how this will bring up DM in any way. This way groups interact with bizz owners in their turfs, whenever someone wants to take over a turf his group goes there and interacts with the owners, persuades them into switching their bizz protector. Much like how The Godfather(the game) works with protection. I think this idea is great. Kudos, Teddy & Crew!
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That would defeat legitimately the entire purpose of the system. You need to fight/earn/win/extort/etc for the zone you are in.
Im afraid it already has no purpose, since nobody will roleplay it properly unless there are rules added as well. 6 of us tried to extort a single guy last night and he just acted like a superman through the whole roleplay and called us pussies in /em. At the end, it turned out he very much wasn't superman and instead of giving a couple of bucks, got beaten to death.
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I don't think this will promote TDM, any more than it already exists, I think it gives the impression of TDM. Think of a new player who joins and this is what they see. First impressions are everything.
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Im afraid it already has no purpose, since nobody will roleplay it properly unless there are rules added as well. 6 of us tried to extort a single guy last night and he just acted like a superman through the whole roleplay and called us pussies in /em. At the end, it turned out he very much wasn't superman and instead of giving a couple of bucks, got beaten to death.
I'm sorry. I don't know what to tell you. I wish I had something.
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I should just say fuck this and make my own actual roleplaying community like everyone keeps suggesting...
DO IT @Teddy
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I'm sorry. I don't know what to tell you. I wish I had something.
I know it's a shock, np.
@Gandalf so are you just gonna add the script or can we also expect some rules added?
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This system doesn't promote TDM, it doesn't promote shit, not even RP because read what Jov said.
I'm sorry. I don't know what to tell you. I wish I had something.
Try this @Teddy
So I have to force people to give me a share of their business profits? That's quite impossible to happen when people would rather shoot themselves than cough up a few hundred dollars. What you'll see is groups buying as many as businesses as possible to color the map and business owners being pussies about it.
Improve the system by making it an attack/defend script where groups have to fight others to own their territory, a claimed territory cannot be attacked once again for like 3 days or some shit. Groups can fight along their friends to minimize losses as well, a specific amount of players have to be online from both groups to be able to attack a territory.
You won't have RP wars with gang rap and spraying logos on the walls and other ghetto shit like that, turf wars happen by shootouts, this is how they happen IRL, this is how they happen on "srs rp servers" that everyone strives so much to become, and this is how they should happen here.
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This topic is a disaster.
Fixed it for you.
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Make territories shine when someone is brandishing a weapon!
Argonath DMG.
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I should just say fuck this and make my own actual roleplaying community like everyone keeps suggesting...
Go right ahead. Would mean you will lose whatever you have built here instantly just like anyone else who did it.
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Gandalf, you have to realize that you can not demand the respect of players for your recent work. Players will respect you if you make yourself earned to it. You seem to put greed above need here and you do not appreciate those who work so hard for you. You are starting to lose respect by players. Furthermore, the players see a big loop in the whole HQ and they are pointing it out to you right now. How attractive is it for the community when you talk to Teddy like he is a dog? Teddy has every right to reply the way he does when someone is showing such a disrespect as you are doing.
I am not biased as I am personally not the biggest fan of Teddy. I have had my agreements and disagreements with Teddy so do not misunderstand me. I hardly speak with Teddy. However, from my point of view as a player, I can see that Teddy has made a lot of changes for the good of this community, while he is trying to walk us onto different paths, you always come in and steer the ship into a different direction which the players hates. This is just pure dictatorship from you. I do think you know better than this. You do not play daily on Argonath, the players does. And regardless if this was a real life RP server or just an RPG, then you'd do your thing regardless as none can say shit against you IG. So it would not affect you.
To me, it seems like you are deliberately steering this ship towards the biggest iceberg to sink it so you don't have to confront players about not being motivated to continue Argonath.
YTeddy has been making references to me being in the way of policies for years, where as I have never stood against any of the changes that were made, even if I was sure they were leading to a drop in players. I trusted Devin and Teddy to see if things were not going right and reversing when needed. Instead whenever things get tought they resign and become inactive, now that the player count is getting up due to the new managers in HQ suddenly Teddy comes back and tries to stir thing up again.
Unfortunately Teddy never earned his position in HQ, he snuck in due to his knowledge of the hardware and scripts.
As for respect, I respect all players with a positive attitude, and am not afraid to throw those out who should have been outed years ago but who some in HQ are afraid to handle.
If that means SAMP will close, so be it. Argonath is more than one server and losing one server does not lose the community.
Now let me say that I also have a lot of respect for Teddy and his work. He is available at hours a normal person is asleep and has made more progress in one year than those before him in five. What I do not respect is his way to be bossy and trying to profiule himself as the guy who did everything I lacked.
RS5 as Teddy has re-made was based on MY ideas, and most of the policy changes were instigsated by me, even if Teddy fails to see that.
Not I put in a tiopic about RS5.3 that I would like to dee the gang territory system in working as I hav desinged it, and Teddy switches the same day to a system that has not been tested, not been evaluated for its purpose and make pklayers revolt.
Why do you blame me? Teddy is the one who decided to put it on , not me. Teddy is the one who in stead of testing and redesigning it first put it on live server. Now he hopes that when he redesigns it he can take credit for something that I fucked up, while in reality he made the fuckup.
No dice.
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Too bad SAMP is the biggest part of this community. Go ahead and close it down and see what happens.
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Unfortunately Teddy never earned his position in HQ, he snuck in due to his knowledge of the hardware and scripts.
So Now your blaming him? bit funny that you said Cops cant return after death lets give it a try , it stayed forever
lets give this terriotory thing a try it will also stay forever
why not give a try for blips? huh?
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Too bad SAMP is the biggest part of this community. Go ahead and close it down and see what happens.
No need to close it down. Wiping out retards like you is what is needed.
Nice signature of failures BTW.
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So Now your blaming him? bit funny that you said Cops cant return after death lets give it a try , it stayed forever
lets give this terriotory thing a try it will also stay forever
why not give a try for blips? huh?
Very simple. We gave no blips a try and it did not work.
Unfortunately none of you remebers that.
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No need to close it down. Wiping out retards like you is what is needed.
Nice signature of failures BTW.
Lol. Thank you.
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Too bad the only retard ruining samp server is you. Good luck have fun.
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RS5 as Teddy has re-made was based on MY ideas, and most of the policy changes were instigsated by me, even if Teddy fails to see that.
Not I put in a tiopic about RS5.3 that I would like to dee the gang territory system in working as I hav desinged it, and Teddy switches the same day to a system that has not been tested, not been evaluated for its purpose and make pklayers revolt.
Why do you blame me? Teddy is the one who decided to put it on , not me. Teddy is the one who in stead of testing and redesigning it first put it on live server. Now he hopes that when he redesigns it he can take credit for something that I fucked up, while in reality he made the fuckup.
RS5.2 is also made by PLAYER ideas. Your territory script has some flaws in it. No gang fights over a property or turf in Argonath. They fight over what the member of the other gang did, or fight over control of a weed field. Why force losing? Didn't groups lose enough in the reset? Didn't we, as a community and the SA-MP players, lose enough in the reset? You had something in mind, it's not what will happen with the current community's mindset.
So I have to force people to give me a share of their business profits? That's quite impossible to happen when people would rather shoot themselves than cough up a few hundred dollars. What you'll see is groups buying as many as businesses as possible to color the map and business owners being pussies about it.
This is what is happening.
The system was tested, and the whole team of testers was against it, and it was not released. The fuckup happened, let's reverse then? I'm sure most, if not all, sides will be happy.
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No need to close it down. Wiping out retards like you is what is needed.
Nice signature of failures BTW.
Such Attitude to a player whos playing from 2012? Pff Whats wrong with you
A Lot of people hated this terriotory idea but your like hey lets give it a try no one dies...
EDIT: You know gandalf you should be thankful to these old players , they have been playing and wasting time on the server for so many years and your showing such attitude to them and by the way How was the RS5 Ideas Based on you? what did we do in RS5 Suggestions topic ? Fuck around? it was based on players ideas too so please...
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No need to close it down. Wiping out retards like you is what is needed.
Nice signature of failures BTW.
Sorry, but you're such a hypocrite..
As for respect, I respect all players with a positive attitude
.. and that quote above confirms it.
You're living in constant denial. Do you really think that Teddy would "love" to script this gang war script for you? As far as it goes it looks like he kind of hates it to be honest. So does the players. You're literally standing here, blaming Teddy. You're reversing ideas that he has made in order head towards a more RP oriented community. As far as it goes, it does not look like you want that. What you want is the ability to use /me and /em but have a gang war system where different factions fight for turfs and areas. This doesn't promote RP. It promotes another reason to kill someone if they drive an inch into your territory. You do not think about those kind of negative effects, all you seem to care about is that it looks fancy for your eyes. It doesn't look like you know what the heck you're doing. At least when it comes to leading a roleplay server.
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Such Attitude to a player whos playing from 2012? Pff Whats wrong with you
A Lot of people hated this terriotory idea but your like hey lets give it a try no one dies...
EDIT: You know gandalf you should be thankful to these old players , they have been playing and wasting time on the server for so many years and your showing such attitude to them and by the way How was the RS5 Ideas Based on you? what did we do in RS5 Suggestions topic ? Fuck around? it was based on players ideas too so please...
I guess you can not read. TEDDY GIVES IT A TRY , NOT ME.
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I guess you can not read. TEDDY GIVES IT A TRY , NOT ME.
Then tell Teddy right now that he shall not script this. He comes forward and says that he has to script this due to you.
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I guess you can not read. TEDDY GIVES IT A TRY , NOT ME.
Where the fuck did i said GANDALF GIVES IT A TRY?
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Such Attitude to a player whos playing from 2012? Pff Whats wrong with you
A Lot of people hated this terriotory idea but your like hey lets give it a try no one dies...
EDIT: You know gandalf you should be thankful to these old players , they have been playing and wasting time on the server for so many years and your showing such attitude to them and by the way How was the RS5 Ideas Based on you? what did we do in RS5 Suggestions topic ? Fuck around? it was based on players ideas too so please...
Exactly. And still you complain that I do not listen to players but the disfunctional HQ did.,
Perhaps players should be thankful I am such a hypocrite I keep a server open that has people shitting on me.
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Where the fuck did i said GANDALF GIVES IT A TRY?
You are calling it MY territories script.
While the script is based on an idea I proposed in 2010 for RS5, it has nthing to do with how I requested it to be made.
Blame the develoepr who puts in in action, not the guy asking for implementation of something he designed in 2010.
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We never fucking started to shit on you till now since your trying to ruin this great community and ofcourse your not listening to players , if you were listening to players , this territory thing would be down hours ago but it isnt cuz you aint listening to the players.. End of story i aint talking about this shit anymore , ruin it , close it down i wont give a fuck.
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We never fucking started to shit on you till now since your trying to ruin this great community and ofcourse your not listening to players , if you were listening to players , this territory thing would be down hours ago but it isnt cuz you aint listening to the players.. End of story i aint talking about this shit anymore , ruin it , close it down i wont give a fuck.
Once again I did not tell to put it up. If Teddy put it up to make the players shit on me, he managed it fine.
But then understand who is not listening here, and it is not me.
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We never fucking started to shit on you till now since your trying to ruin this great community and ofcourse your not listening to players , if you were listening to players , this territory thing would be down hours ago but it isnt cuz you aint listening to the players.. End of story i aint talking about this shit anymore , ruin it , close it down i wont give a fuck.
I suggest you learn some manners. You ain't talking to a school friend but an adult who's old enough to be your father.
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Once again I did not tell to put it up. If Teddy put it up to make the players shit on me, he managed it fine.
But then understand who is not listening here, and it is not me.
(http://memesvault.com/wp-content/uploads/Okay-Crying-Meme-05.png)
Don't pretend to be a victim here. You know perfectly well what you want from the server and what you don't want.
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can someone pls update me on wtf is going on here, all i see is people notorious for being bad at "rp" complaining about a script that is supposed to create rp but won't work out because of player mentality
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Damn this topic is full of bullshit, half of people complaining about the system are the ones who'd kill anyone for tresspassing in the first place (of course only if the victim is outnumbered). The way I see it, no matter what owners of said service want implemented, if they want it that bad you just gotta go with the flow. Why even argue? If you want to argue, prepare to pay for the hosting yourselves - 50 players average, 1 dollar each per month should cut it. If not, fuck off. We had some differences with Gandalf on VC:MP, we solved them by both some negotiating aaaaaand hosting the server on our own. You won't get far by shitting on a gifted horse.
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If Teddy put it up to make the players shit on me, he managed it fine.
oops
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I suggest you learn some manners. You ain't talking to a school friend but an adult who's old enough to be your father.
Wait what? are you saying that? hmm how come you starting talking about manners? and please teach me some manners , i would be thankful
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Wait what? are you saying that? hmm how come you starting talking about manners? and please teach me some manners , i would be thankful
Nah, that's on your parents.
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I suggest you learn some manners. You ain't talking to a school friend but an adult who's old enough to be your father.
I suggest you to get yourself a proper tractor set of wheels so you may get out of Gandalf's ass without any problems. :lol:
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Don't pretend to be a victim here. You know perfectly well what you want from the server and what you don't want.
Yep. And I would never put an untested half-finished script on the server.
The vicims are the players.
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Yep. And I would never put an untested half-finished script on the server.
The vicims are the players.
Then either let players decide what they won't or put tine into your own community. Either that or just close samp down
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I suggest you learn some manners. You ain't talking to a school friend but an adult who's old enough to be your father.
No problem, I rather talk on your level as using the business language I am speaking all day.
Think Frank Hawk squared.... :lol:
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Very simple. We gave no blips a try and it did not work.
Unfortunately none of you remebers that.
Let's ignore all these people shitting on you and this whole you vs Teddy thing for now. I don't want to fight, I want to discuss.
You say you gave the no-blips thing a try, but since you also said nobody remembers, how can we know you're not just making up arguments to make people shut up? If nobody remembers, maybe there were not enough people testing it? If nobody remembers, maybe those that do remember have left the community a long time ago, and the community we have now is different and want something different? People change their minds, scripts change along with people. In 2010 taser did not work in Argonath. In 2016 it does.
If nobody remembers, can we please just try the no-blip thing one more time?
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Then implement "designs" which are actually being asked for. You know, those small things people keep suggesting. Nobody said to implement it right now and make it permanent, rather make a topic, create a poll and see the outcome. You would be surprised. Here is some proper 2016 things which I noticed at the suggestion section, you should check it out more often. :D
- http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=118164.0
- http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=118108.0
- http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=118055.0
- http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=117831.0
- http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=117898.0
And those are just a few. I'd rather play with simple things like a proper load/store (both houses and vehicles), proper drug market system, more small jobs in order to generate more interaction, boombox, no blips etc but instead you add this turf thing which obviously isn't appreciated by anybody.
You keep talking about newbies but you never show up in-game to see what actually happens with them. The thing you can't understand is, most of them are brought here by the veterans you call them trolls hence the rest of 90 percent are hackers/ddosers and showing up just to ruin the fun of others. If you really wish to give it the TDM look just return the combat and it's all good.
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Then implement "designs" which are actually being asked for. You know, those small things people keep suggesting. Nobody said to implement it right now and make it permanent, rather make a topic, create a poll and see the outcome. You would be surprised. Here is some proper 2016 things which I noticed at the suggestion section, you should check it out more often. :D
- http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=118164.0
- http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=118108.0
- http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=118055.0
- http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=117831.0
- http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=117898.0
And those are just a few. I'd rather play with simple things like a proper load/store (both houses and vehicles), proper drug market system, more small jobs in order to generate more interaction, boombox, no blips etc but instead you add this turf thing which obviously isn't appreciated by anybody.
You keep talking about newbies but you never show up in-game to see what actually happens with them. The thing you can't understand is, most of them are brought here by the veterans you call them trolls hence the rest of 90 percent are hackers/ddosers and showing up just to ruin the fun of others. If you really wish to give it the TDM look just return the combat and it's all good.
The ideas you put all seem worthy of trying. Thing is I do not do the scripting, which means that in many things I can not judge what is possible and what needs to wait on a future SAMP update. Though I never let the limits of SAMP restrict me in scripting good ideas.
As for the turf thing, once again it was added by Teddy, and if he had discussed it with me I would have told him not to add this without testing and modifying to make it actually useful.
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Interesting, hope it won't backfire.
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If nobody remembers, can we please just try the no-blip thing one more time?
Can we give this one more try?
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The ideas you put all seem worthy of trying. Thing is I do not do the scripting, which means that in many things I can not judge what is possible and what needs to wait on a future SAMP update. Though I never let the limits of SAMP restrict me in scripting good ideas.
As for the turf thing, once again it was added by Teddy, and if he had discussed it with me I would have told him not to add this without testing and modifying to make it actually useful.
Yet you interfere when peope suggest trying out no-blips, correct?
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Let's ignore all these people shitting on you and this whole you vs Teddy thing for now. I don't want to fight, I want to discuss.
You say you gave the no-blips thing a try, but since you also said nobody remembers, how can we know you're not just making up arguments to make people shut up? If nobody remembers, maybe there were not enough people testing it? If nobody remembers, maybe those that do remember have left the community a long time ago, and the community we have now is different and want something different? People change their minds, scripts change along with people. In 2010 taser did not work in Argonath. In 2016 it does.
If nobody remembers, can we please just try the no-blip thing one more time?
Taser was made to work. It would have worked the same way in 2010, just the difference in opinion was that SAMP has its native weapons and we do not need to add any to it.
There are players in HQ who actually can remember the test and they agree with me.
When tested it was clear that it is impossible to catch a smart player running, even with a specified /area. It was possible for a player to hide within 50 meters of the cops and get away in time, this went on for about one hour.
And please understand that I do see the advantages. If you are RPing something where stealth is needed, players who use the minimap are ruining this. Funny that many people who have requested rules against metagaming and powergaming have no decond thoughts about using the minimap, which is an untilame form of metagaming.
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Y'all must have forgotten who allows you to play here free of charge, and merely asks for donations to help with server cost, but still forks over money out of pocket to pay for the things we all enjoy in this community. Get it through your thick skulls that this isn't a democracy, and the man paying the bills gets to do whatever he pleases; and if y'all don't like that, you're more than welcome to go elsewhere and see how much developers in other communities actually listen to their player base for suggestions.
Grow up, and learn some respect, because judging by the majority of the post in this topic, their ain't a single one of you that have any sort of it.
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YTeddy has been making references to me being in the way of policies for years, where as I have never stood against any of the changes that were made, even if I was sure they were leading to a drop in players. I trusted Devin and Teddy to see if things were not going right and reversing when needed. Instead whenever things get tought they resign and become inactive, now that the player count is getting up due to the new managers in HQ suddenly Teddy comes back and tries to stir thing up again.
Unfortunately Teddy never earned his position in HQ, he snuck in due to his knowledge of the hardware and scripts.
As for respect, I respect all players with a positive attitude, and am not afraid to throw those out who should have been outed years ago but who some in HQ are afraid to handle.
If that means SAMP will close, so be it. Argonath is more than one server and losing one server does not lose the community.
Now let me say that I also have a lot of respect for Teddy and his work. He is available at hours a normal person is asleep and has made more progress in one year than those before him in five. What I do not respect is his way to be bossy and trying to profiule himself as the guy who did everything I lacked.
RS5 as Teddy has re-made was based on MY ideas, and most of the policy changes were instigsated by me, even if Teddy fails to see that.
Not I put in a tiopic about RS5.3 that I would like to dee the gang territory system in working as I hav desinged it, and Teddy switches the same day to a system that has not been tested, not been evaluated for its purpose and make pklayers revolt.
Why do you blame me? Teddy is the one who decided to put it on , not me. Teddy is the one who in stead of testing and redesigning it first put it on live server. Now he hopes that when he redesigns it he can take credit for something that I fucked up, while in reality he made the fuckup.
No dice.
@Gandalf YOU are the owner of the server, YOU do whatever you want, YOU decide what is best and what's not. It's not anyones fault but yours, you're the reason that this community has been created, the reason of argonath existance and i'm thankfully for that, but things should be controled, and you're the owner, so do it. Do something for us. It's your server, every rule should be yours with the community approval.
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Gandalf or Teddy added this script, doesn't really matter in my opinion, the only change it has made is a fancy colour on the minimap other than that, people already fight eachother whenever they see an enemy in their territory with or without this script.
You're not making a favour by playing on this server, people play games to have fun not to make fights. Gandalf and Teddy, you also need to stop this nonsense in public, you're both grownups and acting like children in a kindergarten, instead of making all these talks and "arguments" make some fucking action. Either find a solution and put out your differences or each one of you go on his own path, after all Gandalf owns this community, and HE is making a favour for us to play here for free. Get your shit together and put things under control for the community's sake.
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Y'all must have forgotten who allows you to play here free of charge, and merely asks for donations to help with server cost, but still forks over money out of pocket to pay for the things we all enjoy in this community. Get it through your thick skulls that this isn't a democracy, and the man paying the bills gets to do whatever he pleases; and if y'all don't like that, you're more than welcome to go elsewhere and see how much developers in other communities actually listen to their player base for suggestions.
Grow up, and learn some respect, because judging by the majority of the post in this topic, their ain't a single one of you that have any sort of it.
I don't see who is disrespecting here. So before you come here talking with nothing constructive, try again when you have at least half of those people's activity on the server which are trying to explain something.
(http://i.imgur.com/cCYtwZa.png)
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I don't see who is disrespecting here. So before you come here talking with nothing constructive, try again when you have at least half of those people's activity on the server which are trying to explain something.
(http://i.imgur.com/cCYtwZa.png)
Hey! Watch out, that's JOE GVARDIA you're talking to there!
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I don't see who is disrespecting here. So before you come here talking with nothing constructive, try again when you have at least half of those people's activity on the server which are trying to explain something.
(http://i.imgur.com/cCYtwZa.png)
Doesn't take a rocket science to read through the forum, and understand the concerns that are on-going in the server, hell you usually get a play-by-play and a narrative which makes it entirely easy for someone to understand the concerns in this community, and being around for 7 years, I've been able to decipher information like that, you should try it sometime.
As for my own activity, I don't need to be active in-game to see the disrespect that goes on, on this forum, and if that is something that you are unable to recognize and understand, try paying attention in school usually that's a good start.
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When tested it was clear that it is impossible to catch a smart player running, even with a specified /area.
Where's the problem in that? Let smart players be elusive and hard-to-catch, that's the rewards of knowing the map, no? Considering that all players (both smart and not) have their blips hidden, it seems all fair from my point of view. If smart players know where to hide, other smart players will know where to look. If you are worried about new players not finding anyone to RP with, you can enable blips for players without passports.
All we're asking for is a chance. If you truly, truly believe it will not work, then what harm is it in trying once again?
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Guys let's stop fighting. Harambe wouldn't want this.
I've made my peace and said what I needed to Gandalf, out of respect that I still do have for him I sent it privately. No need for a big public charade. We have our differences as it evident and it was irresponsible of me, and us, to take that out publicly.
Moving forward I strongly suggest everyone work on discussing the issues rather than the comical senseless fighting occurring here. If this server is to survive, people need to listen to one another more and insult a little less.
Good Riddance.
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Guys let's stop fighting. Harambe wouldn't want this.
I've made my peace and said what I needed to Gandalf, out of respect that I still do have for him I sent it privately. No need for a big public charade. We have our differences as it evident and it was irresponsible of me, and us, to take that out publicly.
Moving forward I strongly suggest everyone work on discussing the issues rather than the comical senseless fighting occurring here. If this server is to survive, people need to listen to one another more and insult a little less.
Good Riddance.
As in many things I fuly agree with Teddy here.
It seems there has been a failure to communicate between the two of un in many points, and forum posts are seemingly more edgy as our real feelings towards each other.
We will see how it works out and what the future holds for our cooperation, in any way understand that posting a few naty things towards each other does not mean we lose respect or can no longer talk in a friendly manner.
Friends must be able to fight, even in public.
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No problem, I rather talk on your level as using the business language I am speaking all day.
Think Frank Hawk squared.... :lol:
What is this supposed to mean..?
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What is this supposed to mean..?
Dear Sir , please grasp that in daily conversation I have to use a quite different form of formulating as I in general use on this area of the internet. However using such rather formal language might result in many of the esteemed memberd of this community not having the faitnest idea what I am telling them.
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Moving forward I strongly suggest everyone work on discussing the issues rather than the comical senseless fighting occurring here. If this server is to survive, people need to listen to one another more and insult a little less.
Would be interesting to see if this will become reality one day. It does seem not any discussion can be held normally in some parts of the forum.
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Dear Sir , please grasp that in daily conversation I have to use a quite different form of formulating as I in general use on this area of the internet. However using such rahter formal language might result in many of the esteemed memberd of this community not having the faitnest idea what I am telling them.
Uhm i seriously don't understand where is this coming from, but if you take some time and actually read what i posted, you might realise i was basically trying to explain to a guy thay his attitufe isn't appropriate, since he's talking to someone probably three times older than himself.
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Uhm i seriously don't understand where is this coming from, but if you take some time and actually read what i posted, you might realise i was basically trying to explain to a guy thay his attitufe isn't appropriate, since he's talking to someone probably three times older than himself.
And if you read what I wrote you should understand that I do not mind the attitude, I see people as equal regardless of their age.
James wishes to discuss things and has some fire, but at the same time he comes with arguments.
I do nor want to be treated as an old guy, just treat me as a human being :D
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And if you read what I wrote you should understand that I do not mind the attitude, I see people as equal regardless of their age.
James wishes to discuss things and has some fire, but at the same time he comes with arguments.
I do nor want to be treated as an old guy, just treat me as a human being :D
I did though. People give themselves too much freedom when talking to others and barely show any respect. You aren't setting a good example either by literally calling certain people retards, just because they disagree with you.
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How players see me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emv4bYhX-_I
:gand: :gand: :gand: :gand: :gand:
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I did though. People give themselves too much freedom when talking to others and barely show any respect. You aren't setting a good example either by literally calling certain people retards, just because they disagree with you.
That he disagreed was not the reason for calling him a retard. :balance:
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Gandalf you're like the grown up version of Timon and Mikal combined :D
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That he disagreed was not the reason for calling him a retard. :balance:
oh sorry my bad. it's perfectly fine to call him a retard then
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Can we just get along, And stop hating on each other?
It's not that hard, We can forgive the mistaken one.
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Can we just get along, And stop hating on each other?
It's not that hard, We can forgive the mistaken one.
this will never stop. It's a subject without a conclusion
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i don't know what the hell is going on here but, bitching for something that it's been here since the first relase of argonath (blips) sound a little bit, like a bullshit to me.
lets get over with it shall we?
if you ask me about removing blips, i'd say no, reason?
you have plenty good arguments around that made me switch mu oppinion, why not yours too?
respect the older guys, after all they know more than we do, they lead this world so one day we can pick up their projects.. lets just not..
(not asslicking, just the way it is)
cheers.
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Where's the problem in that? Let smart players be elusive and hard-to-catch, that's the rewards of knowing the map, no? Considering that all players (both smart and not) have their blips hidden, it seems all fair from my point of view. If smart players know where to hide, other smart players will know where to look. If you are worried about new players not finding anyone to RP with, you can enable blips for players without passports.
All we're asking for is a chance. If you truly, truly believe it will not work, then what harm is it in trying once again?
I wish we could do one of those cop-criminal exchanges that were organized back in RS4 and also remove blips for this duration. Everybody that wants blips gone will have a prime time opportunity to see what it's like for cops to chase people with no blips.
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Gandalf you're like the grown up version of Timon and Mikal combined :D
ego boost
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holy shit it's happening
I just spent a good portion reading through this entire thread and honestly, it's quite sad to see where we are now.
On one side, we have an owner who has been so removed from his community for so long and only recently decided to come back and make executive decisions.
On another side, we have (or had I should say) a leadership team who is putting bandaids on a sinking ship thinking it will stay afloat.
On the last side, we have the players who think they know what they want.
Guys. We have excellent ideas, but we completely fucked up the execution of these ideas. We must bear this weight and understand that we fucked up the community. And because of this fuck up, the older (or "veterans" who have been with the community for over 3+ years) players have simply lost interest in participating in the community.
First, we need to realize that we can't bring back pre-RS4.1 audience and scripts. That golden era is gone.
Second, we must take proper action. I am honestly on the side of the veterans and the regulars of the server. Those who still are active in game and make Argonath what it is today. Gandalf, please listen to the active players. See the needs. Respond appropriately. I know where you are coming from as being an owner of the server. I, myself, am a business owner and sometimes I need to realize that I too can be wrong. Please respond appropriately to the community that has your back.
Third, we need to stop developing new scripts and adding more "stuff" to the server. It's like adding lipstick to a pig, it's still a pig. And it's not kosher. We need to refine the current scripts, make everything more streamlined, and only then should we have more "stuff" added.
Lastly, we must realize that the community and the audience has changed. This community is not the same that it was 3+ years ago. Most of us are getting older and not as active, we still have active players who still take part. We must hand them the keys to decide what they need from the server. This could be the removal of the blimps (though personally I hate this idea). Because the audience has changed, the server itself will have to change.
One more thing, as a business owner, one day we will need to wipe our hands and walk away. SA:MP is no longer relevant. I mean the game is over 10 years old now. It's sad, it's hard, but it's needed. I predict by 2020 that SA:MP server will not be relevant anymore.
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You're one of a kind. :app:
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Is this system still going?
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Gandalf, please listen to the active players.
I'll commend them on keeping the community alive for 10 years, but this is simply an impossibility.
The "dictator" way that I once used to defend simply does not work anymore.
Perhaps now you people understand what we lost back when SA:MP first opened.
There's alot of pressure on the owner to just listen. Doubt he ever will.
And yes I implied one owner, because RON is completely irrelevant at this point, no matter how much I liked him (despite his overly agressive behaviour), at some point you just don't give a fuck anymore.
And yes I noticed HQ tried to implement micro transactions (This is seriously something I expected from the likes of Seifer and AB). At that point you should have just pulled the plug, let good old memories be memories and move on.
As I see it, you can either pull the plug, or listen to your veterans, or do nothing, go back to the shadows. Stay there and let the community slowly die. I like how you care about new players. That is good, do not get me wrong here. But they know pretty much nothing about the community. Focusing solely on that group is a fool proof way to degrade this "World of it's own", as we can witness now.
And do not even try to hit me with a "Well what did you do" crap I see so often coming from people here all in to a hurry to defend. I did (and many others did).
And the results were nothing. (Like it was never considered duh).
I've said my piece on this pivotal moment in this community, I got nothing more to add. I'll just reminiscence about what for me personally was the best times, and just wish some form of luck on this sinking ship. :depature:
(ripped this from google, no fucks given)
(http://www.okbirthday.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/24-10th-birthday-quotes.jpg)
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I used to post topics asking for improvements within rules, scripts and more, untill recently. I realised why was i wrong to do that, and i hope others might understand as well. Gandalf and others made community with an idea, with a vision. What we are requesting is simply going against the vision they had when starting the community and still to this day have . We have no right to request that, or even if we do, we have no right to complain about it not being added to the server. If you don't like it, well, you are free to leave.
Try and see situation from Gandalf's point of view. You start your own thing with an idea, and others try to change it. You won't let them do that, will you?
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I used to post topics asking for improvements within rules, scripts and more, untill recently. I realised why was i wrong to do that, and i hope others might understand as well. Gandalf and others made community with an idea, with a vision. What we are requesting is simply going against the vision they had when starting the community and still to this day have . We have no right to request that, or even if we do, we have no right to complain about it not being added to the server. If you don't like it, well, you are free to leave.
Try and see situation from Gandalf's point of view. You start your own thing with an idea, and others try to change it. You won't let them do that, will you?
This is why people leave the community. :uhm:
Give suggestion/wish/hope/whatever, get eschewed. Told to get the fuck out, or in nicer words: "Free to leave".
Eventually they will leave. Good game. :app:
Why the hell should people have to leave because they want their community to improve?
"Guys we got no food for our farms this year. What do we do?"
"Could we try X?"
"No that goes against what this person says that visits once every 6th month."
"But I do not like the fact that we will have no food. Cannot we work for a solution?"
"Yes, but we have to wait 6 months for the decision. If you do not like this you are free to leave".
All of them starve, the lone guy just gtfos to another community that is not so close minded as to think that "Free to leave" is some magical
buzzword that will solve everything.
We gave up hours upon hours of our studying time/free time as moderators, administrators, managers, community leaders and developers to help keep this community alive. All of it for "free to leave" is like slapping someone on the dick with a iron golfclub and kicking them in the balls with steel toed work shoes, laced with spikes.
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This is why people leave the community. :uhm:
Give suggestion/wish/hope/whatever, get eschewed. Told to get the fuck out, or in nicer words: "Free to leave".
Eventually they will leave. Good game. :app:
Why the hell should people have to leave because they want their community to improve?
"Guys we got no food for our farms this year. What do we do?"
"Could we try X?"
"No that goes against what this person says that visits once every 6th month."
"But I do not like the fact that we will have no food. Cannot we work for a solution?"
"Yes, but we have to wait 6 months for the decision. If you do not like this you are free to leave".
All of them starve, the lone guy just gtfos to another community that is not so close minded as to think that "Free to leave" is some magical
buzzword that will solve everything.
We gave up hours upon hours of our studying time/free time as moderators, administrators, managers, community leaders and developers to help keep this community alive. All of it for "free to leave" is like slapping someone on the dick with a iron golfclub and kicking them in the balls with steel toed work shoes, laced with spikes.
You keep talking like there's a problem that needs to be solved while there really isn't one. Why keep playing the game if you don't like it? Did you read my post at all?
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You keep talking like there's a problem that needs to be solved while there really isn't one. Why keep playing the game if you don't like it? Did you read my post at all?
You are in a thread that got to be 14 pages long so far because players indentified a problem.
Or how about this gem? http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=117492.0
This is you right now:
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And this is pretty much everyone else in the thread, regardless if their suggestions are good or stupid:
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Once I made a thread in the moderator section of the SA:MP administration forums adressing the tendency of "shoving the dirt under the mattress". I see this tendency is still ongoing, which is a huge dissapointment.
But sure, bend over. Never question. God forbid you actually have an opinion and/or suggestion on how to proceed!
Start off by stopping every ongoing war on the server. At least untill community heals from it's current state
But there really is not any problems right? ;)
@Gandalf so while we're trying to create a better rp atmosphere in game, and find something actually worth fighting, you decide to give players a reason to fight 24/7?
edit: excuse is a better word.
Right? Still sure there are no problems? :)
Pot calling the keetle back, boy.
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Seifer and AB)
did you really just...
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Majority agrees to it so it must be the right thing to do right? No, not really. Quoting my earlier posts will make no sense by the way, i said myself that i used to request changes but i have realised i was wrong. Community is the way owners imagined it, i see nothing wrong about keeping it that way. If i didn't like it i would leave, and i suggest you do the same.
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Gotta agree with both Nathan(which is like the first time) and Gir3r.
Gandalf its your place, you, RON, Legolas, and others made this place, you invested time and lots of money into it.
On the other hand, there's alot of people who didn't invest their money, but invested years of their time in Argonath, which should count for something.
After all, we're all here for Argonath's good.
Community is the way owners imagined it
No, its not.
I can name you dozens of changes that happened since 2008, that didn't fit in the vision they had, and that Gandalf was mostly declining them for years, until one point they got implemented.
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Community is the way owners imagined it, i see nothing wrong about keeping it that way.
Ok then we shall let them play their community. Oh wait, they probably forgot their forum password or do not even have an account registered in the server.
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I was waiting for some-one to notice a reality of the situations at hand and it seems C. J(ovanca) was the one:
I used to post topics asking for improvements within rules, scripts and more, untill recently. I realised why was i wrong to do that, and i hope others might understand as well. Gandalf and others made community with an idea, with a vision. What we are requesting is simply going against the vision they had when starting the community and still to this day have . We have no right to request that, or even if we do, we have no right to complain about it not being added to the server. If you don't like it, well, you are free to leave.
This line should've been followed when there were people (who claimed to really care) shitting all over the vision in a clear attempt to cause instability as some way to bring about stability and progression.
Working off of peoples fears and fueling the fire with half thought plans that can not be carried through without people leaving, bitterness, dodging and diving, simply being stubborn and difficult or being energized by ego and disastrous behavior in public.
But no worries, no need to grieve over those who still live. After they have stopped sulking they will get over it!
Back on track of what worked previously. Onward.
Ok then we shall let them play their community. Oh wait, they probably forgot their forum password or do not even have an account registered in the server.
I suppose a reason could be put up to justify a campaign to persecute, witch hunt and generally be negative & work off of (for the worse) peoples sentiments and fears.
It's very easy to come-up with and it's surely very beneficial campaign for all to take on board this very unhelpful way of thinking.
Well at-least some of the guardians, and pure and cleansed non active regulars returned to post on this thread. No wait... that's a bad thing as they're just popping up clearly to take part in negative destructive campaign to make Argonath something it was never set out to be, with some supposed expertise & infallible anointed knowledge.
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Ok then we shall let them play their community. Oh wait, they probably forgot their forum password or do not even have an account registered in the server.
You are standing here right now quite literally insulting the owner of this community and nothing happens to you. Try doing that with half of the admins/managers IG and you'd be banned, or on the forums at the very least the topic locked and you forum warned.
Yet, the owner doesn't. That's a pretty damn good indication that he's open minded as hell, and let's not forget that everytime the vision was violated in the past it was still done with Gandalf's consent, and hence it was him who changed his mind. As of now, he doesn't want this in his server, and as the guy who not only owns it but pays the bills, he has every right to decide that, regardless of how popular that decision may be. If he was somebody else, this thread would have been locked with the very first post against him.
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Yet, the owner doesn't. That's a pretty damn good indication that he's open minded as hell,
You do realise me, Luke, Bruce and Emmett got forum banned, Luke for saying "What" me for asking "Did you seriously ban Luke?" Emmett for saying it's dumb that they banned us and Bruce for.. being Bruce.
Extremely tolerant.
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All these posts and yet you guys fail to understand each other. This reminds me why I always has envyed the Argonath VC:MP community. They understand the purpose of this community. Sad to see what it has come to, people used to get on and have fun, and play more and less moaning / throw mud at each other.
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We are going to disable this edition. ASAP.
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You are standing here right now quite literally insulting the owner of this community and nothing happens to you. Try doing that with half of the admins/managers IG and you'd be banned, or on the forums at the very least the topic locked and you forum warned.
I don't see how stating a fact that Gandalf himself has said before could be considered as an insult. It's no secret that he has no more time to be actively checking his servers, it's something normal that happens to everyone and I'm not complaining for that, what I see wrong and I'm sure many more people do is to have him come here like if he plays daily and knows everything about how the server goes and tries to add and enforce his points of view onto something that it has been said many times before that it was made for the players, for the members of this community. Now he comes and punish people calling them trolls just for disagreeing with him? for doubting his credibility considering that the last time he was in the server was on the anniversary? Trust me, there's a long difference between insulting someone and criticizing his thoughts, fun fact is that my comment was not even directed to Gandalf but to Jov, who has suddenly changed his mind of a "hardcore RPer" to a "Argonath vision fan", all of this started due to this new script that was trying to be released which I still consider it's something that a roleplay server does not need, everyone got triggered and started to go against everyone, I've only seen a few posts around here that can be considered as constructive, but tell me, how can someone be arsed to be constructive when you are gonna get forum banned for stating your disagreement? Seems useless.
Now going back onto what this script tried to give us, apart from enough salt to make a new dead sea, of course. You get a system that covers onto territory for owning properties, nice way to make people increase their hunger for money to get properties around a certain area, like if it was already needed, like if we don't have enough shootouts for "YOU ARE IN MY PROPERTY LEAVE NOW!1 *1.5seconds pewpewpewpew*" you can say "we'll have RP barricades and patrols around our territory" That's sounds grea... oh wait, didn't we had FBI fighting against FLA for doing the same thing on Flint County? huh... guess they at least inspired someone to make something, gg Mikal.
Gandalf says we should focus on the new players, apparently they are what it keeps the server alive. I'm sorry but what kind of fucked up logic is that one? I've been administrating the server for almost two years (1 year in 2014 and almost a year now) and the only thing I saw from our new players was hacks, advertisements, deathmatching and /q'ing whenever we have tried to get in touch with them. How can he shit on regular players like that? They are the only god damn reason why we still have a bit of roleplay in the server, shit they have even managed to bring back even older players call them regulars or veterans they are all the same, most of them have stood on Argonath even when everyone else said that it was gonna die, yet here they are trying to bring it back on its feet by the only way they can, roleplaying.
Them along with the previous HQ and scripters worked their asses off to bring back the esence of roleplay, something that was no longer in the server since the ends of RS4. The fact that we now get to see them arguing and sometimes provoking each other on forums is quite disappointing, I'm not gonna say who's the fault on that because is something that I really don't know, but people leave for a reason, right? Something curious now is to why we have to see Teddy leaving (again), Dylan resigning as manager and scripter along with Fuzzy, but that's gotta be a different story. ;) The main problem on this now is that without them we probably just lost all hopes to have new releases at least for a while, and most of the scripts everyone has been waiting for now are going back to be on hold, like everytime someone leaves, but heeey, we were gonna get territories because it's totally what the server and players need! how cool is that? I just hope the server doesn't goes straight back to having 10 to 20 players per day after all the shit that has happened, would be very sad to see us at that stage again, specially because then we will have to agree with Gandalf on not removing blips and not add scripts that gives new players "disadvantages".
We are going to disable this edition. ASAP.
Thanks. You prevented alot of shit.
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You do realise me, Luke, Bruce and Emmett got forum banned, Luke for saying "What" me for asking "Did you seriously ban Luke?" Emmett for saying it's dumb that they banned us and Bruce for.. being Bruce.
Extremely tolerant.
Exactly, can't really see a reason why he would ban anyone for asking questions on how he is acting. I know he is the owner but still
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All these posts and yet you guys fail to understand each other. This reminds me why I always has envyed the Argonath VC:MP community. They understand the purpose of this community. Sad to see what it has come to, people used to get on and have fun, and play more and less moaning / throw mud at each other.
QFT, point in case.
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We are going to disable this edition. ASAP.
Good, it looks awful