Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Gird3r on December 07, 2009, 11:22:54 am
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As far as I can tell, I have noticed something disturbing, and that's that sa-mp players take their role-playing on Argonath in an overly serious tone, going as far as to whine about everything they see.
While the player count on SA:MP is way higher than the active count on mta:vc, while when the days when mta:vc was pretty active, the server there did not whine or take everything in a 100% serious tone.
What I'm pointing finger at is all the OOC or what the hell that thing is called.
Why need special scripts and unwritten rules to do role-play? And why whine over some money?
I only use my money to do 1 thing:
/Fillup and repair the bikes I loan(steal :rofl: )
While I understand that you guys got a obsession with money and want to do bigger role-play, why take it so overly serious everything something happens?
In my old-school rpging days, if something happened. We chilled and relaxed all cool. Called the admins and had some patience.
What I'm saying is. Take down your temper Argonathians, it's the bad mood you guys get when you loose that "so" extremely important ak47 (or whatever) that ruins the atmosphere.
Peace.
Good greetings from Gird3r.
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Definately agreed. Money is taking way too seriously and I think players need to realise we can have fun and roleplay without money...
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As far as I can tell, I have noticed something disturbing, and that's that sa-mp players take their role-playing on Argonath in an overly serious tone, going as far as to whine about everything they see.
Agreed
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Dude, players are just kids (70%) these days that want to own the festest cars, best houses, well earning businesses, etc...
Argonath RPG is not like old days anymore, some very precious players left, all that remained is just some money greedy kids, and some few old school RP'ers.
Everyone loves to moan on the main chat when they get a pretty valid suspection, and they go like "ADMINS WTF ABUSE, UNSUS ME PLZ".
It's just about money now, only a few people care about the RP anyways. :D
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I do enjoy playing more seriously.
Why? Because I was teached to play that way, HERE, at argo.
I do like it. I prefer serious RP instead of 'having fun', as I do have fun while roleplaying. Otherwise I wouldn't play.
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Most people don't understand that With how more Role play there is how Richer Evryone gets without even Trieng to get money you get allot of money i earned 100k once with a Taxi Driver job in 1 week These days i get 3 Passengers with a Free taxi ..... in 1 week
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What I'm pointing finger at is all the OOC or what the hell that thing is called.
Why need special scripts and unwritten rules to do role-play? And why whine over some money?
I only use my money to do 1 thing:
In my old-school rpging days, if something happened. We chilled and relaxed all cool. Called the admins and had some patience.
Old-school role playing days mean't that if something happened, we took care of it. Also we chilled and relaxed and cooperated. Not every deathmatcher wasn't kicked. Why? Because guys had to have some fighting practice. Only time admins were interrupted was hackers. All other situations were handled by the players.
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Old-school role playing days mean't that if something happened, we took care of it. Also we chilled and relaxed and cooperated. Not every deathmatcher wasn't kicked. Why? Because guys had to have some fighting practice. Only time admins were interrupted was hackers. All other situations were handled by the players.
I remember when the MTA:VC Server was invaded by DMers, we regulars and newbies ended up panicking and barricaded ourselves in the sailor boat throwing molotovs ("OMG A DMAR BOOZH BOOZH BOOZH!!1111oneoneone") at anyone DMish who came near. We had a lot of fun and didn't need help with it. :D
Not to mention the countless moaners moaning about everything the cops have from duty weapons to the latest brand new uniform. They're like cockroaches, except you can't squish them unless you are a Forum moderator and above.
A player only truly knows how to be an Argonathian after they have done things the MTA:VC way.
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The MTA:VC way was cool, but I prefer SAMP.
But yes, SAMP is full of dickheads.
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I remember when the MTA:VC Server was invaded by DMers, we regulars and newbies ended up panicking and barricaded ourselves in the sailor boat throwing molotovs ("OMG A DMAR BOOZH BOOZH BOOZH!!1111oneoneone") at anyone DMish who came near. We had a lot of fun and didn't need help with it. :D
Not to mention the countless moaners moaning about everything the cops have from duty weapons to the latest brand new uniform. They're like cockroaches, except you can't squish them unless you are a Forum moderator and above.
A player only truly knows how to be an Argonathian after they have done things the MTA:VC way.
and you are never on MTA:VC =(
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But yes, SAMP is full of dickheads.
They even go so far as to threaten Admins (with a complaint email) who did not cancelsuspect them even after the crime was declared valid. Tell me bout it.
If we moved everyone to MTA:VC, maybe the moaners will get what a brain surgery will do for them, minus the surgery itself. :D
and you are never on MTA:VC =(
I was an old MTA:VC Player who moved to SA:MP, and due to technical issues (quite personal, snake knows about it but don't ask him or me since you will get nothing), I can't get to MTA:VC again. I miss that place too, you know. It's there I learned how to go around on Argonath, had my first car, house, RP job, molotov nade fest, ban and unban, and many other things.
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Maybe come try out VCMP sometime JDC
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Yeah before admins had some patience and people didint moan so much but thats cause admins were cool with it and so were players, then the strict rules came wich yeah didint allow some new things and RP got more serious cause some things werent aloud. in old scripts money was easy to make honestly at 0.1b when i joined i made 100k with one week and it was hard to spend that kind of cash so there was no moaning about cash cause it was easy to get. Times have changed cash is harder to get that easly and you can spend it very fast on guns,cars that cost like 2 millions, Houses what cost like 15 millions or ammunations what cost like yeah unlimited millions. I dont really understand that moan about money and stuff I dont have that kind of problem cause I live in poor place and i have a van, thats all i need. I use my cash only to pimp cars.
About serious roleplay. Serious roleplay is fun also, why do you think people do it otherwise? They start to moan cause their RP leads to no where after countless times of attempts. They wont have fun and thats the reason to moan. Admins are yeah very strict and sometimes even rude some people dont like it and they start to fight with them etc. I got nothing against admins but yeah, the patience should come back then everything should change, not just admin patience but player patience too and they shoudlnt care about money so much, why the fuck would you need villa, ammunation or an fancy car what costs you millions? Just enjoy what you have and learn to respect it and use it.
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Found it more fun already... Doing stunts with friends, throwing pennies on ground (sending to others), providing boms with burgers and things. Doing plane stunts, doing drifting and dragracing... Events are also fun. Sometimes I get jelous, but still. You can have a lot of fun here, if you know how. :)
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Definately agreed. Money is taking way too seriously and I think players need to realise we can have fun and roleplay without money...
Good words.
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Well, the only thing I use money for is killing cops. I have -7000. :(
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I always had the point at money is only a tool, it's not a must to RP, i learned looong time ago not to whine over the losing of weapons, even tro it's annoying that you have to buy them again but it might be part of a RP that you uses the tool to support, you dont' need it to play :P
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Agreed.
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Well, the only thing I use money for is killing cops. I have -7000. :(
And i wonder why you are still on the server referring to your "mission" you mention above.
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But yes, SAMP is full of dickheads.
People need to quit being so immature and take things lightheartedly. AND STOP PLAYING FOR FUCKING MONEY.
:lol:
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give moaners money and everything will be fine, they wont care if getting suspect for invalid reasons and getting killed
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Players, unfortunately, always were, are and always will be money greedy. - Which is the thing that causes most of the problems even today.
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I do enjoy playing more seriously.
Why? Because I was teached to play that way, HERE, at argo.
This.
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please /gu sir i want more money
sir i will give you 200 dollars when u /gu
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SA:MP players who only care about money should be sent to MTA:VC Boot Camp, this way they will learn the true values of ArgonathRPG. :D
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SA:MP players who only care about money should be sent to MTA:VC Boot Camp, this way they will learn the true values of ArgonathRPG. :D
Rofl. :rofl:
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Rofl. :rofl:
Is that even funny ? :neutral:
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People need to quit being so immature and take things lightheartedly. AND STOP PLAYING FOR FUCKING MONEY.
:lol:
I tend not to take any insults aimed at me on SAMP seriously.
This does however have the side effect of making me a cynical git.
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Is that even funny ? :neutral:
The post was meant in a relax and a sort of serious way, a bit of both, but it is true that money has taken over the concepts of having fun in RP.
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Not to mention the countless moaners moaning about everything the cops have from duty weapons to the latest brand new uniform. They're like cockroaches, except you can't squish them unless you are a Forum moderator and above.
And you think your any better? all you do is moan about criminals saying this or that. Thats only thing i've seen you do on the forum lately. And you should be 'squashed also for that provoke and flaming.
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The Thing that Really Fucks me off, Is that people that say "Dont Worry About Money" are Fucking Loaded.
Sorry for the use of swear words But I'm Fuckin fed up with hearing that SHIT.
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I have under $5000 I think altogether, dosen't concern me a single bit, because whenever I'm on the SA:MP server I try to look for a roleplay to start or join, or help someone out.
Infact a lot of the time when I give people rides or help them out, they send me money and I send it back to them saying no need.
A lot of members of groups and gangs are brought up thinking earning money is the best way to prove yourself as the best roleplaying group around.
Back in the old MTA:VC days, we (The Sforza Mafia) used to show our skills with our roleplay and we won 2007 and 2008 Best Roleplaying and Criminal group. We had a lot of fun doing it too.
I mean, ok, if you want to earn money go ahead, but it goes to the extent where people go crazy over money, it just isn't right.
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The seriousness you are encountering is a side-effect of Carhartt Syndrome. There is no known cure.
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AMAGAD ARAATYS R SRS BUZNIS LOL| :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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And you think your any better? all you do is moan about criminals saying this or that. Thats only thing i've seen you do on the forum lately. And you should be 'squashed also for that provoke and flaming.
Then it sadly seems you have deliberately overlooked the rest of my posts.
The seriousness you are encountering is a side-effect of Carhartt Syndrome. There is no known cure.
Carhartt Syndrome: "This place sucks because it is not like ZOMG 1337-RP.", for those who don't know what it is.
AMAGAD ARAATYS R SRS BUZNIS LOL| :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
NOOOOOOOEZZZZ, DAT MEAN EFF BEE EYE TOO IS SRS BUZINIS:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
If you want to lift the serious atmosphere from SA:MP, instead of "ZOMG EXTREME HARD RP", focus instead on things like laughing at jokes in the /p-chat, making quizzes, and talking about weeeird (I don't mean sex weird) things. Dogmeat pancakes, anyone? :D
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Carhartt Syndrome: "This place sucks because it is not like ZOMG 1337-RP.", for those who don't know what it is.
Even though he might flamed the last time, I don't think it's right to make him look like a fool as he's great guy and no wonder why he left when there's people like you still around.
If you want to lift the serious atmosphere from SA:MP, instead of "ZOMG EXTREME HARD RP", focus instead on things like laughing at jokes in the /p-chat, making quizzes, and talking about weeeird (I don't mean sex weird) things. Dogmeat pancakes, anyone? :D
Please shoot me.
Here's the reason why he left.
Roleplay, Roleplay, Argonath RPG, Roleplay, Roleplay.
Where the hell is the guys who consider roleplay before things like /p-chat?
Have them all left? Am I the only person who still think roleplay is important?
:neutral: :neutral: :neutral: :neutral:
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100% agreed. too much complaint on the Roleplay and so fourth
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Is that even funny ? :neutral:
It's funny because Tupac is an admin.
NOOOOOOOEZZZZ, DAT MEAN EFF BEE EYE TOO IS SRS BUZINIS:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
The FBI has always been srs bsns. You commit a felony; you're out.
Carhartt Syndrome: "This place sucks because it is not like ZOMG 1337-RP.", for those who don't know what it is.
Don't talk about Carhartt mkay? He doesn't play in this community anymore so you shouldn't put words into his mouth (He NEVER said that).
Roleplay, Roleplay, Argonath RPG, Roleplay, Roleplay.
Where the hell is the guys who consider roleplay before things like /p-chat?
Have them all left? Am I the only person who still think roleplay is important?
Argonath isn't srs bsns roleplay; Everything is allowed (as long as it doesn't conflict with the current server rules set up by the main administration).
I enjoy the /p chat, myself, yet I also enjoy srs bsns roleplay. Then again, sometimes I just run around on the street shouting prophetic stuff or I /piss on some random guy's car. It's still roleplay and you can't deny it. Not everyone plays a character who is always serious. You consider a person who talks with e-terms ('lol', 'rofl', 'omg' et cetera) to be a bad roleplayer, but maybe he's just roleplaying himself? I know plenty of people who use 'lol' and 'omg' IRL (and no, they're not computer geeks).
When someone comes to your 'hood' and attempts to roleplay in his style 'O hai guyse wats goin on?' you just label him a crappy roleplayer and ignore him. When he gets pissed off at the ignoring and shoots you, you just call him a DMer. I know that getting ignored IRL will pretty much piss half of the population off. Combine it with a psycho with a gun and you get a person who blasts random people because they didn't answer him.
You're not a perfect roleplayer either. Maybe you're considered a good roleplayer in your 'click' and while it may be true, not all people will see you as a good roleplayer. I mean, black gangster; Original idea.
Try to roleplay a pizza hut owner or a beggar and you'll see how difficult it is to actually play a role.
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If anyone in Araatus uses the vagina tags (()) regularly then I get very upset inside.
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Argonath isn't srs bsns roleplay; Everything is allowed (as long as it doesn't conflict with the current server rules set up by the main administration).
I enjoy the /p chat, myself, yet I also enjoy srs bsns roleplay. Then again, sometimes I just run around on the street shouting prophetic stuff or I /piss on some random guy's car. It's still roleplay and you can't deny it. Not everyone plays a character who is always serious. You consider a person who talks with e-terms ('lol', 'rofl', 'omg' et cetera) to be a bad roleplayer, but maybe he's just roleplaying himself? I know plenty of people who use 'lol' and 'omg' IRL (and no, they're not computer geeks).
When someone comes to your 'hood' and attempts to roleplay in his style 'O hai guyse wats goin on?' you just label him a crappy roleplayer and ignore him. When he gets pissed off at the ignoring and shoots you, you just call him a DMer. I know that getting ignored IRL will pretty much piss half of the population off. Combine it with a psycho with a gun and you get a person who blasts random people because they didn't answer him.
You're not a perfect roleplayer either. Maybe you're considered a good roleplayer in your 'click' and while it may be true, not all people will see you as a good roleplayer. I mean, black gangster; Original idea.
Try to roleplay a pizza hut owner or a beggar and you'll see how difficult it is to actually play a role.
Have I ever roleplayed with you?
Don't judge me if you don't know anything about me.
I don't look down on people if they ROLEPLAY different. Every attempt of roleplay is good, no matter if you use "rofl" or using brackets. That's not the point, Oliver.
You shouldn't be judging me like that, as you don't know me that well.
Just because I prefer one type of roleplay, doesn't mean I don't accept other peoples roleplay.
I've basically roleplayed everything you can. A niggah, a mobster, a businessman, a regular guy, a hobo, a cop and so on.
I've been playing GTA for three/four years, so obviously I've done everything in these years.
Between, as you think I'm roleplaying a black gangster, you certainly don't know me as I haven't been that for almost a year now.
Example:
http://argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=27287.0 (http://argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=27287.0)
It ended up dead because no one bought drugs from me, you know why? Because they want it in the inventory. Otherwise it's not worth shit.
So you might make some re-search before you say things.
I think that roleplay should be the main reason to play here, as this is a roleplay server. That's all. I don't give a shit if you write on the mainchat sometime, or joining a event, but as long as your stick to roleplay in first hand.
I did some roleplay with Squeak a while ago. He was selling PS3's and some phones.
It's not often people are doing that, so I really enjoyed it.
Roleplay situations like that is almost dead, and that's to bad.
If people could spend more time thinking about what to roleplay instead of writing on the mainchat, I can basically say that Argonath will be a much better server.
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Example:
http://argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=27287.0 (http://argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=27287.0)
It ended up dead because no one bought drugs from me, you know why? Because they want it in the inventory. Otherwise it's not
Well you need to be more realistic man. :D
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Dude, players are just kids (70%) these days that want to own the festest cars, best houses, well earning businesses, etc...
Argonath RPG is not like old days anymore, some very precious players left, all that remained is just some money greedy kids, and some few old school RP'ers.
Everyone loves to moan on the main chat when they get a pretty valid suspection, and they go like "ADMINS WTF ABUSE, UNSUS ME PLZ".
It's just about money now, only a few people care about the RP anyways. :D
Agree, +10
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Well you need to be more realistic man. :D
What's not realistic? As I adapted myself to the Argonath prices.
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The Thing that Really f**ks me off, Is that people that say "Dont Worry About Money" are f**king Loaded.
Sorry for the use of swear words But I'm f**kin fed up with hearing that SHIT.
It's just a game.
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It is just a game, but there are real people behind the screens. Still though, it's just a game.
So it is beyond me why people are moaning and bullshitting about everything.
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If anyone in Araatus uses the vagina tags (()) regularly then I get very upset inside.
Squeak and Andy must make you very upset then.
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Squeak and Andy must make you very upset then.
Yes.
Yes they do.
I cry myself to sleep. :cry:
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And i wonder why you are still on the server referring to your "mission" you mention above.
The little money I have, I buy weapons with and usually get suspected with a valid reason, and only fire at cops when fired at first. Around 75% percent of the time I'm suspected, I am unarmed. D:
Post Merge: December 08, 2009, 08:33:23 pm
If you want to lift the serious atmosphere from SA:MP, instead of "ZOMG EXTREME HARD RP", focus instead on things like laughing at jokes in the /p-chat, making quizzes, and talking about weeeird (I don't mean sex weird) things. Dogmeat pancakes, anyone? :D
So what JDC is telling us all here is valuable information. Next time someone says anything remotely funny on the public chat, all 50-120 players must say 'lol' or 'lmao' or 'rofl'.
JDC, when was the last time you saw the server name as 'Argonath Chatroom'? I'm not saying that there shouldn't be socialising on the server, but you're telling me you join the server to type 'lol' many times, to talk about how your next door ejaculated in your face, and answer random questions? Guess what, there's a forum for that you demented anus.
I will now refer to JDC as the Carhartt-bad guyer. mmm.
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there is alot of moaning in game i admit i do it to why you ask cause when i make a report to admins they do nothing like to day sup3r car jacked me because i said unowned comet and he jacked me to find out it was owned then he took another car so after all that happend an admin finnaly wants to look in to the report after 5 mins and warn me for false report and dont say admins are busy cause if someone makes a report about Ancelotti they respond hell of fast and is also due to how hard it is to make money
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Topic's name
It's just because they've been taught the rules and how to play differently. Other servers influenced Argonath.
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MTA:VC CAMPS!
Send all non RPers, moaners to MTA:VC and see,
they WILL suffer!!
there is alot of moaning in game i admit i do it to why you ask cause when i make a report to admins they do nothing like to day sup3r car jacked me because i said unowned comet and he jacked me to find out it was owned then he took another car so after all that happend an admin finnaly wants to look in to the report after 5 mins and warn me for false report and dont say admins are busy cause if someone makes a report about Ancelotti they respond hell of fast and is also due to how hard it is to make money
Please use symbols, like periods etcetera, it's hard to read.
And, also admins are busy people - when someone carjacks you, try to solve it yourself first.
If players are trying things first theirselves, admins are less busy and in the end , they can react faster on reports..
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MTA:VC CAMPS!
Send all non RPers, moaners to MTA:VC and see,
they WILL suffer!!
Please use symbols, like periods etcetera, it's hard to read.
And, also admins are busy people - when someone carjacks you, try to solve it yourself first.
If players are trying things first theirselves, admins are less busy and in the end , they can react faster on reports..
I agree with this 100% players need to solve their on problems then admins can respond to more serious reports faster
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(http://drunkenachura.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/internet-serious-business.jpg)
Just HAD to do it before someone else did.
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I will now refer to JDC as the Carhartt-bad guyer. mmm.
Hes Jealous for some reason none of us knows and thats why he hates Carhartt and everyone who was/is friends with him.
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If server wouldn't be such a slideshow, it would be alright to play
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MTA:VC and SA:MP are very different...
And mostly because of the amount of players...
It is much easier to make friends among 26 players then on server where are 100 players...
The other reason is the SA:MP community itself...
Argonath server got players from other servers... On other SA:MP RPG servers your moaning will result in a ban... Even some "Hey guys" in main chat will result you in a ban...
Argonath is much more free in talks - and THIS IS THE REASON...
Here are two ways:
1. Argonath RPG also takes the dictatorship position as any other RPG servers...
2. Argonath gets rid of those moaners and those roleplayers who are trying to shit Argonath with the rules from other servers, aka "serious roleplay"...
Wanna Serious Roleplay? Then Argonath is NOT FOR YOU... Leave it and go moan on Serious RPG servers...
Wanna stay? Then fucking shut the fuck up and have fun, learning how to defend yourself from deathmatcher, stop drool and cry arouns every bullet and remember those Argonath Players who could even fight hackers when found the tricks to defeat them...
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Maybe we should put together new rules, or it will get much worse.
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Maybe we should put together new rules, or it will get much worse.
There is no need in new rules... There are basic rules which player should obey... For clever and intelligent guys those rules are enough...
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There is no need in new rules... There are basic rules which player should obey... For clever and intelligent guys those rules are enough...
A huge amount of players don't share with you that thought. :help:
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Hey Aragorn, I'd like to ask you something and state some things that is very right.
Wanna Serious Roleplay? Then Argonath is NOT FOR YOU... Leave it and go moan on Serious RPG servers...
So, If I want to play here, as I want to play, without bothering those who play differently, Am I not welcomed here?
MTA:VC and SA:MP are very different...
And mostly because of the amount of players...
It is much easier to make friends among 26 players then on server where are 100 players...
Agreed. It is a lot harder as Aragorn said. You can't basically compare the amount of players.
2. Argonath gets rid of those moaners and those roleplayers who are trying to shit Argonath with the rules from other servers, aka "serious roleplay"...
So, If I place an idea who I think is brilliant, who maybe could make Argonath a lot better. Just take picklock for example, Or maybe not to return after death while you're a policer officer and instead accept that you're killed and might chase another suspect. Would this be wrong if I did? As these rules comes from "other servers" etc.
There is no need in new rules... There are basic rules which player should obey... For clever and intelligent guys those rules are enough...
As Daco said, there's many who don't share that thought with you, and I think it'll be good if you told everyone about it.
If you want to lift the serious atmosphere from SA:MP, instead of "ZOMG EXTREME HARD RP", focus instead on things like laughing at jokes in the /p-chat, making quizzes, and talking about weeeird (I don't mean sex weird) things. Dogmeat pancakes, anyone? :D
So you agree with this then?
That we should write on mainchat and earn money on the easy way (quiz) instead of taking roleplay as our first priority?
And this is the thoughts that a huge amount of the players has to that:
So what JDC is telling us all here is valuable information. Next time someone says anything remotely funny on the public chat, all 50-120 players must say 'lol' or 'lmao' or 'rofl'.
JDC, when was the last time you saw the server name as 'Argonath Chatroom'? I'm not saying that there shouldn't be socialising on the server, but you're telling me you join the server to type 'lol' many times, to talk about how your next door ejaculated in your face, and answer random questions? Guess what, there's a forum for that you demented anus.
I still read RPG everytime I connect to Argonath.
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Many on SA:MP are taking the game to seriously, only thinking about earning money and buy better and better houses and cars and bizzes.
about people complaining on non RP'ers:
Everyone is RP'ing in their own way, regular as a new player. Some people like strict roleplay, some people dont. To the people that likes strict roleplay, continue with it, but dont try to force it on others. I'm one of them that aren't using brackets in local chat when i'm talking "OOC", and almost 70% of the time i do it, they are answering me "z0mg, non RP'er, learn to RP n00b". Instead, respect the player and go on, dont start to scream "THAT PERSON IS A NON RP'ER, NEVER RP WITH HIM!!!1111!!1".
As soon as player 1 is doing something as player 2 sees as non RP, player 2 starts to scream in main chat that player 1 is a non rp'ing noob and he can't roleplay. How do you think player 1 feels when someone is tracking him down when he's trying to have fun and RP like he want's to? think about that and you can find the source to the negative energy which exists among the players on the server and creates all this hate.
Moaning
Yes, there is alot of moaning. Moaning about someone DM'ing, moaning about admins aren't doing their job, moaning about almost everything. People are moaning about admins not doing their work, when there is only 2 admins online on 70 - 80 players. Try to think and understand how hard it is to help everyone when you also need to watch out for hackers and so on. Admins are doing their best to help you and are giving up their own playtime to ensure that everyone are having a good time while they are online, and all they get is shit back. Just because they are admins, they can get angry and frustated, they are humands, that's normal and no one can blame them for that. What i wrote later down the post, everyone should respect them for the work they are putting down to protect the server, and they should also have a big Thanks for their work.
New players
Yes, there are new players which is coming to Argonath RPG to have fun. instead they are getting shit on them right away with people calling them noobs, PM'ing them with flame and so on. How do you think they feel? They are trying to have fun but instead they get shit from everyone and they are leaving the server and never comes back. Atleast give new players a chance to see the good side of the server and tell them what they can do. Be friendly, so can they be friendly back. Remember that a new player can have quality's to be the next manager of SA:MP server.
The first step from what i can see is that everyone starts to respect everyone on a reqular basis, which mean, if anyone says something, dont push him down due to he's opinion about something, dont tell him to 'fuck off' because he thinks different then to you. be a model for players new players.
On MTA:VC, we are playing with new players, learning them about server rules, showing them what is possible with /me, and we are having alot of fun with everyone on the server, involving them in RP situations, and having a laught togheter is someone is failing on something, but it's all with respect.
If everyone was like this on SA:MP, it would be a much better place where everyone can grow as a individual and reach their quality to maximum, and everyone can see their true potential.
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Here are two ways:
1. Argonath RPG also takes the dictatorship position as any other RPG servers...
2. Argonath gets rid of those moaners and those roleplayers who are trying to shit Argonath with the rules from other servers, aka "serious roleplay"...
Wanna Serious Roleplay? Then Argonath is NOT FOR YOU... Leave it and go moan on Serious RPG servers...
Wanna stay? Then f**king shut the f**k up and have fun, learning how to defend yourself from deathmatcher, stop drool and cry arouns every bullet and remember those Argonath Players who could even fight hackers when found the tricks to defeat them...
Of course we want to stay, Argonath is already good like it is now, of course there is some problems, but its big amount of players playing everyday.
In my opnion, I've played on other roleplay servers and I didn't like them, maybe the reason that I love playing on Argonath is because of the community. If it was like all other RP servers which don't have a public chat...
But people don't get too serious about money, play for fun =)
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I've seen new players roleplay better than some of our regulars.
I can easy rate my roleplay good, since I am one of the small amount who use brackets.
First step is probably to remove the /p.
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First step is probably to remove the /p.
Wanna Serious Roleplay? Then Argonath is NOT FOR YOU... Leave it and go moan on Serious RPG servers...
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I've seen new players roleplay better than some of our regulars.
I can easy rate my roleplay good, since I am one of the small amount who use brackets.
First step is probably to remove the /p.
Well not to remove the /p completely. Its better if you auto-mute people who have just died in 5min, so they can calm down instead of moaning in /p. That would probably solve it. 5min is not long...
I can admit I play for more money. The reason?
Well I can say that the reason for that is because its to hard to make money on the server. (My opinion)
I used to play MMORPG, where you kill can get stuff you can sell and earn alot of money. If we had a system where we could get easier money by selling things, people would earn more money and would actually spend them instead of saving up untill get get addicted with it.
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Here is what happens to me when I go on any other server where there is no /p.
Cutter: Hey how can I start a job?
*Silence*
*Looks at the radar, sees no one*
*Sees a player nearby after running around 10 minutes*
Cutter: Hey mate how can I get a job
Player: Fuck off noob
*Moves to another player*
Cutter: Hey how can I get a job
Player 2: Didn't you read the z0mg tutorial which lasts for 8 whole minutes telling you everything?
*/q*
Effects are simple -
1) Many new players will simply not come on a server where you need to read a 10 minute tutorial to begin a freakin' game. This is because many may not even know English properly to comprehend the meaning of the tutorial. Besides that most want to have fun - not read a gaming epic saga...
2) No /p means means lesser friendship between players. Argonath RPG has its strong foundation based on the friendship. Many of our members love the community and the friendship and hate /p, not knowing that the essence of that strong foundation may have been /p itself. Think about how many of you began your gameplay using /p and communicating/findout out your friends or people who you know share your thoughts/views....
3) No /p also means that the new players may go to a player is simply not prepared to help. This gives a very bad impression of our server.
Cutt3r
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have fun, learning how to defend yourself from deathmatcher, stop drool and cry arouns every bullet and remember those Argonath Players who could even fight hackers when found the tricks to defeat them...
This quote wins.
I remember one deathmatcher on MTA:VC really well. Middle of the night, no admins. He was constantly DMing me (I was a cop). We just get going and going and then I killed him so he left.
Come on guys, deathmatchers are usually terribad at fighting, where did the Argonath fighting skills go? : (
Its better if you auto-mute people who have just died in 5min, so they can calm down instead of moaning in /p.
What about "good fight guys" in /p?
You lack trust in the good ones to be civil :/.
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Or have a command that you, yourself, can decide if you want the mainchat to be on/off. If an admin want you something, then he should contact you thru PM or maybe a special command just for admins to contact people who don't have their mainchat on.
Then the chatters have a alternative, and those who want to focus on roleplay just then, they can do that aswell. :)
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i roleplay a money loving man, oh wait... thats me in RL
AGREED
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This quote wins.
I remember one deathmatcher on MTA:VC really well. Middle of the night, no admins. He was constantly DMing me (I was a cop). We just get going and going and then I killed him so he left.
Come on guys, deathmatchers are usually terribad at fighting, where did the Argonath fighting skills go? : (
Haven't you seen all the times I've been kicked for "DM'ing a DM'er" ?
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Haven't you seen all the times I've been kicked for "DM'ing a DM'er" ?
Thats an admin issue then, people should be allowed to kill deathmatchers if they choose to do so (and choose to be suspected for awhile).
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Someone should write a topic:
"How to survive without crying to an admin and moaning in /p"
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There is always this moaning... Sometimes i wonder if some people forgot this servers are for fun, destressing... You guys see it as your second life or something..?
Relax, it's just a game.. Enjoy it instead of moaning.
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So, If I want to play here, as I want to play, without bothering those who play differently, Am I not welcomed here?
Are not welcomed people who start implementing the own rules into Argonath rules... Who are trying to make Argonath a strict roleplay prison...
Are you trying to bring into Argonath the "serious" roleplay with OOC/IC shit and others do not hey do not fart do not fight do not talk do not pee do not poo etc...? If answer is "yes" - then you are not welcomed...
Argonath RPG has its own rules and if you do not like it - why the fuck we must change it for you?
We had and have a great community which veterans came from free roleplay of Vice City and nobody moaned their asses off about any blah blah of any chat system...
So, If I place an idea who I think is brilliant, who maybe could make Argonath a lot better. Just take picklock for example, Or maybe not to return after death while you're a policer officer and instead accept that you're killed and might chase another suspect. Would this be wrong if I did? As these rules comes from "other servers" etc.
You can ask if idea is good from the developers opinion... But we already met the simple system - more rules are coming from other servers - more shitty players behave and moan... That is why I was, am and will be the supporter of the simplest way of the playing: less rules = more better people=more better admins team...
So you agree with this then?
That we should write on mainchat and earn money on the easy way (quiz) instead of taking roleplay as our first priority?
Do not like main chat (which was always on Argonath) - go on servers without main chat and enjoy the life... We will not remove main chat...
And this is the thoughts that a huge amount of the players has to that:
I do not care.... We were making Argonath with OUR VISION and people liked it... your vision of Argonath (with the huge amount of ZOMG roleplayers) just shitted Argonath to the cheap moaning community where every kid is crying about everything... And where everyone is sure that roleplay depends on the chat system and not on the brains' activity and level of IQ of players themselves...
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A huge amount of players don't share with you that thought. :help:
I do not care... Read above...
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I do not care.... We were making Argonath with OUR VISION and people liked it... your vision of Argonath (with the huge amount of ZOMG roleplayers) just shitted Argonath to the cheap moaning community where every kid is crying about everything... And where everyone is sure that roleplay depends on the chat system and not on the brains' activity and level of IQ of players themselves...
So technically you're calling me dumb?
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Yesterday, I came across this whilst being a freecop:
"This is a Roleplay server. Roleplay is acting like real life"
wROOOOOOOOOOONg.
Roleplay is about being imaginative, fun and (a little bit) feasible - like movies and films. SA is nothing like Real Life, the whole idea is that it is a parody of real life and more exciting.
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I'd post in this thread, but I have to go and lead an assault with my Yakuza IRL.
Oh, wait.
Roleplay is just real life without all the.. realness.
And yes, realness is a bad thing.
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I've seen new players roleplay better than some of our regulars.
I can easy rate my roleplay good, since I am one of the small amount who use brackets.
First step is probably to remove the /p.
Using brackets is showing that you have no ability to RP and is for sure not a sign for good RP. In fact if you are not able to make difference between IC and OOC you have a lot to learn about RP.
Good RP is being able to react to any situation in a way like you would react on the street, and trying to make it fun for all involved.
((top RP = uze theez)) - forget about it.
I know that many regular players have been confused by me at times when I come to them as president and tell them to do something in their organization. It is a mix of RP and real matters, and only good RPers will understand this.
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Using brackets is showing that you have no ability to RP and is for sure not a sign for good RP. In fact if you are not able to make difference between IC and OOC you have a lot to learn about RP.
Good RP is being able to react to any situation in a way like you would react on the street, and trying to make it fun for all involved.
((top RP = uze theez)) - forget about it.
I know that many regular players have been confused by me at times when I come to them as president and tell them to do something in their organization. It is a mix of RP and real matters, and only good RPers will understand this.
True. People often get confused with the made up OOC/IC inner rule of the so-called "veterans". Even I was infected and have been using this (()) thing for some months until I realised what role-play can actually be.
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I try to never use (()) tags unless I know I'm dealing with an idiot and can't be bothered to explain.
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I try to never use (()) tags
Never seen the point of those.
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Roleplay is about being imaginative, fun and (a little bit) feasible - like movies and films. SA is nothing like Real Life, the whole idea is that it is a parody of real life and more exciting.
Someone please give Jcstodds an award to his forum profile.
Never seen the point of those.
Me neither. Actually I feel like the person using them when talking to me is making an idiot out of me, like I couldn't determine if something's directed to the player (me) or the character (the pixels in the game).
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Using brackets is showing that you have no ability to RP and is for sure not a sign for good RP. In fact if you are not able to make difference between IC and OOC you have a lot to learn about RP.
Good RP is being able to react to any situation in a way like you would react on the street, and trying to make it fun for all involved.
((top RP = uze theez)) - forget about it.
I know that many regular players have been confused by me at times when I come to them as president and tell them to do something in their organization. It is a mix of RP and real matters, and only good RPers will understand this.
About the part, react on the streets....
I never saw someone saying to me:
"Erhm wait, this is not me just out of my person, you shouldnt say ...blabla"
:lol:
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Me neither. Actually I feel like the person using them when talking to me is making an idiot out of me, like I couldn't determine if something's directed to the player (me) or the character (the pixels in the game).
Then I suggest you to stay on Argonath and don't even log on a roleplay server.
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I've seen new players roleplay better than some of our regulars.
I can easy rate my roleplay good, since I am one of the small amount who use brackets.
First step is probably to remove the /p.
Brackets doesn't automatically equal good roleplayer.
Granted, I used the brackets myself most of the time when I used roleplay but when I'm roleplaying with my friends I use smileys, terms like 'lolwut' and OOC stuff.
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Then I suggest you to stay on Argonath and don't even log on a roleplay server.
And what do you think Argonath is?
Better you stay out of Argonath and go to your "really realistic real-life" servers with rules that exclude each other, which I'm not even going to connect to.
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Better you stay out of Argonath and go to your "really realistic real-life" servers with rules that exclude each other, which I'm not even going to connect to.
Good that you understand my statement.
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To Wash and everyone who thinks that "JDC is jealous of Carhartt because he is the inferior RPer", get a brain surgery.
You all focus on "ZOMG-TOP-RP" while forgetting that this is Argonath, where you insert your demented little rules with the intent of slowly turning Argonath into an RLRPG Server.
Nowhere in my posts did I say "forsake RP completely". RP is only second priority on the server, the first is to have fun rather than follow 1000000 bullshit rules and regulations made up by the people who want Argonath to change from the free community that it is into some RLRPG HARDCORE OMG OLOLOL Server.
As I said above, RP is only second in priority to having fun. If you came here just to show your RP skills, how you are the OMG-LEET RPER guy, how for a "THIS UNNECESSARY COMMAND WILL MAKE YOU MORE RP" cause you are, how good you are at using vagina tag (( )) brackets and et cetera, rather than have fun the way Argonath's developers intended for all players to have fun and form friendship on their servers, then as RON said those people are not welcome here.
And yeah, maybe I am an extremist... if so, then I am the direct opposite of those people who think adding IC / OOC bull shits, unnecessary commands, removing /p chat and et cetera will make Argonath a better place.
As I said when I used to kick "LEETRP Moaners" before, "If you don't like it then leave".
As for learning to defend from DMers...
To those Admins who kick for "DMing a DMer"... remember that killing is allowed in self-defense. "DMing a DMer" should only be applied when the DMed person repeatedly hunts down the DMer on purpose with the intent of revenge. Other than that, let them defend themselves the way we did on MTA:VC.
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Defending against a DMer is great, however players have already no clue what a DMer is. I have witnessed several players when a newbies comes near and hits them with their fists to draw out their strongest gun and start a full chase to kill the 'DMer'.
Usually while moaning that admins did not react on their report.
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Admins will not react (hopefully) to report of DMer, if you are shooting back, what would be the point of punishing DMer when your shooting him with sawnoff when he hit you with fist?
If you can't fight back as a man (with same kind of powerfull weapon, or even less), go practice DMing to Paruni.
I do fight back to a DMer, if I manage to kill him, I tell him what he did wrong and what not to do again. If he continues, I keep killing him till he leaves, simple.
In VCMP, people do not moan of DMer.. They does not even bother of reporting them, DMer simply gets killed, after that, he will get advises of what server is about, if he likes, he stays, if not, he leaves when seeing he cannot kill anyone on server.
About the "strict-zomg-1337-sup4h-uber-dyyper-mega-hyper-RP" - It's bullshit. VCMP, people do not moan about the money.. Few expections are of course, but most of the players don't..
I've never complained about the money on Argonath...
When I have it, I spend it to help new players or to get armed so i can teach DMers a lesson ;)
At the moment, I have ~25k in SAMP for selling my house... It doesn't matter to me if I have money or not..
Aragorn's post explained all this in a nutshell:
Here are two ways:
1. Argonath RPG also takes the dictatorship position as any other RPG servers...
2. Argonath gets rid of those moaners and those roleplayers who are trying to shit Argonath with the rules from other servers, aka "serious roleplay"...
Wanna Serious Roleplay? Then Argonath is NOT FOR YOU... Leave it and go moan on Serious RPG servers...
Wanna stay? Then f**king shut the f**k up and have fun, learning how to defend yourself from deathmatcher, stop drool and cry arouns every bullet and remember those Argonath Players who could even fight hackers when found the tricks to defeat them...
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So, from what I've read, we can choose not to role-play with a police officer, for example?
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So, from what I've read, we can choose not to role-play with a police officer, for example?
You can't be forced to role-play, your choice.
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So, from what I've read, we can choose not to role-play with a police officer, for example?
Surely you can't when you are a suspect (or just about to get suspected), but that's rather obvious. It generally depends on the situation and the players if you ask me.
You can't be forced to role-play, your choice.
Not really an accurate answer, you can't tell to the cops "I don't want to play with you, go away" when you're wanted for example.
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Surely you can't when you are a suspect (or just about to get suspected), but that's rather obvious. It generally depends on the situation and the players if you ask me.
Of course. But, for example, if I'm trying to rob a player (and he wants to take part of the role-play) in a alley, and a police officer approaches us, we can shut down the role-play and pretend nothing happened, correct? If so, the officer cannot accuse us of "possible something", am I correct?
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Correct, if you both say nothing happened.
Cop must believe both parties.
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Doh, there are groups even here (on SA-MP Groups) that think they are top RPing... for example stracci... You do know well what I mean... even if you read their topic tittle it's "YOU ONLY JOIN IF YOU TOP RPER"... I mean.. come on nitr0x.. this is not LS-RP.. this is Argonath.. don't mix it up...
as for me.. yes I've been effected by the brackets use also... and I'm still trying to get rid of them.
as for the money, I wish there was 1 DAY in argonath.. 1 WHOLE DAY... where there would be NO MONEY! No fee for business! Weps not allowed to be bought as you wouldn't be able to get them free. (so NO DMing that day) and just use IMAGINATION! to Roleplay.... I am bored to see money hunger people or people who think you need Money to RP... Answer: bowshit
If you have the IMAGINATION! and the good mood to Roleplay, you don't need even a simple Dollar.
/give and /me are some really good commands. so is the /l to communicate.. but there should be that day... so you can see how many people would had the real mood to come and play.. a day without money! without Moan! just you & your imagination.... I just wish something like this will happen.
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It generally depends on the situation and the players if you ask me.
Not really an accurate answer, you can't tell to the cops "I don't want to play with you, go away" when you're wanted for example.
Example: I'm on my way to San Fierro from Los Santos, I'm in a hurry and I basically don't got no time for a pullover by a cop. He stops me for no particular reason, like a routinecheck. Can I say "I don't want to roleplay with you, I'm in a hurry?"
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Well, if you /q and return after like 10 mins.. it may be caught as excuse... unless you have a good reason to leave (such as yours)... it also depends on the person. not all are so easy to let you go.... and in other way... they say you may not force somebody to RP... so use that as an excuse. (it's even better now, that it's a real one.)
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No money day and no moaning day on the same? Never gonna happen. People will moan about not having money that day.
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But if you think it like, the person who will do this, will do something or say something like that however comes and moan for the money will get a kick or a temp ban, there wont be much moaning... and in other way... just a simple day with no money wouldn't be bad at all.. yes there will be moaning for cop abuses or unfair RP Advantages (if anybody uses some), but still. You could enjoy it in a group or a trip with a lot players who are willing to use their imagination and play!
this kinda reminds me the old days in past where groups of "Truth or Dare" used to go with coaches on random places like Disneyland, sit down on circle and play calm with no moan... it's just a use of Imagination! (it's just an example.)
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Defending against a DMer is great, however players have already no clue what a DMer is. I have witnessed several players when a newbies comes near and hits them with their fists to draw out their strongest gun and start a full chase to kill the 'DMer'.
Usually while moaning that admins did not react on their report.
Back in the days of MTA:VC, if no admins were present, or if the scripts went down, we would declare Operation: Jericho. Players would handle themselves against DM'ers and hackers. We would rush to the same location, Fort Baxter, and defend ourselves as necessary. At some points, we would even RP floods and hurricanes... :)
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What's the difference in MTA:VC and SA:MP. In Vice City you get your guns for nothing, they are with you all the time. In SA you mus't earn money to own, and people want to own a lot of guns, as they feel they are not protected well enough.
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I do enjoy playing more seriously.
Why? Because I was teached to play that way, HERE, at argo.
I do like it. I prefer serious RP instead of 'having fun', as I do have fun while roleplaying. Otherwise I wouldn't play.
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Another thing I noticed is that lots of players have a huge double standard. They say for example that Inferno 9 are so good at role playing and are doing everything sooo good, but then they say that they don't like 'ZOMG' roleplay style with brackets and so on. I can say this, that as Inferno 9 roleplays, is almost exactly like most of the players roleplay on LS-RP. According to me it's nothing wrong with how they play or have people changed their minds again? If you feel like this is towards YOU, then it is.
Argonath should be happy to have guys like them here, to play, for fun and actually trying to make it work out. As I am very happy to have them here.
It feels like people are very one-eyed, there's so many styles of roleplay. Instead of being so 'stuck' with one side, try to open your eyes and look at both direction so see possibilites, like 'SHIT, I might learn something from this guy' instead of pushing his idea of roleplay away.
Thanks.
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The difference between groups such as RI and those on "BracketRoleplay Servers" are clear.
On those servers, you get punished and generally insulted for not following this rule.
When playing with somebody from RI (Frank for example) I can be proper lolsaurus and he will just roll with it.
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Another thing I noticed is that lots of players have a huge double standard. They say for example that Inferno 9 are so good at role playing and are doing everything sooo good, but then they say that they don't like 'ZOMG' roleplay style with brackets and so on. I can say this, that as Inferno 9 roleplays, is almost exactly like most of the players roleplay on LS-RP. According to me it's nothing wrong with how they play or have people changed their minds again? If you feel like this is towards YOU, then it is.
Argonath should be happy to have guys like them here, to play, for fun and actually trying to make it work out. As I am very happy to have them here.
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Exactly.
Frank_Hawk and whichever group he creates/is part of always have a strict role-play structure. They use IC/OOC expressions, and attempt to role-play their characters are realistically as possible. This is what the server calls 'ZOMG-RP', yet when asked which is the best group - you say Frank_Hawk's group. Despite this, hypocritical players still find room to tell people that want to role-play like Frank_Hawk to get the fuck out.
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It depends on which server you're playing on, I just took LS-RP as an example because that's the server the haters are talking about.
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It depends on which server you're playing on, I just took LS-RP as an example because that's the server the haters are talking about.
Thats probably because its crap.
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It has 250 players online at the same time every day, I wonder what they see in it.
Don't look at everything like it's black or white, Panda. :)
No need to insult.
No more talk about LS-RP, please.
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There are no problems with people from "Bracketroleplay Servers" and "ZOMGRP Servers" playing here on Argonath. The problem is them inserting their own little rules in an attempt to convert Argonath, as said in RON's post.
Thats probably because its crap.
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Quite really... out of curiosity, a few months back, I visited that Server as a "noob player" to see what all the hype by the LS-RP Haters on Argonath was about. Guess what, the first words said to me when I bugged some guy how to get started were "Don't bug me, noob". Then I understood.
Defending against a DMer is great, however players have already no clue what a DMer is. I have witnessed several players when a newbies comes near and hits them with their fists to draw out their strongest gun and start a full chase to kill the 'DMer'.
Usually while moaning that admins did not react on their report.
When I defend against DMers on SA:MP, I take delight in parrying the DMer's blows with his fists while trying to explain to him that this is not a DM Server. If he takes out a gun and shoots, then I do the same in self-defense.
Sawnoffing a random new guy who punches you is a different story.
Back in the days of MTA:VC, if no admins were present, or if the scripts went down, we would declare Operation: Jericho. Players would handle themselves against DM'ers and hackers. We would rush to the same location, Fort Baxter, and defend ourselves as necessary. At some points, we would even RP floods and hurricanes... :)
I miss those days :(
Sometimes during the 'Unholy Hours', when scripts went down, there were no admins who could fix it, and DMing hackers came on- I actually gathered the players at LSPD to mount a defense. We had a lot of fun.
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I've played on that server before.
I registered as a woman, joined with a granny skin and roleplayed Alan White's grandmother quite well. I provoked a car full of Italian mafia members, drove around with Alan, accused an Asian man of raping me at a bus stop who then reacted with a "O.O" face, and I had Alan come with the 14 gauge. It was really fun, and I had a hell of a laugh that night. It was fun. I can never imagine being an everyday player there because it won't be fun. Sometimes I feel like Argonath looses that fun, but then you befriend cool people like Maxy and Panda and you start laughing again when you press 'connect'. Sure, you have people complaining but ignore them when you're trying to have fun, and trust me, you'll succeed.
Reason Frank's groups are voted best. Not only because they can role-play, but because they encourage new players to roleplay with him and help teach them. I wouldn't be as friendly with Frank as I am today if he wasn't friendly back in the day when I was first beginning as a cop. Not to go off in a rant but...................... I patrolled and got gas at GS9 everyday. Seeing Frank there practically everyday we exchanged greeting and honestly, I think he can say I've grown :D If he was to say "Go away noob, stop coming by my fucking territory everyday ffs." How do you think I would feel? Pretty damn shitty and would most likely just quit the server..
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large post.
Cool story, bro.
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Example: I'm on my way to San Fierro from Los Santos, I'm in a hurry and I basically don't got no time for a pullover by a cop. He stops me for no particular reason, like a routinecheck. Can I say "I don't want to roleplay with you, I'm in a hurry?"
'Chea homie. You'll get suspected though.
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Players, unfortunately, always were, are and always will be money greedy. - Which is the thing that causes most of the problems even today.
Wrong. We have not always been so money-oriented. Back in the day we actually roleplayed without the centre of the earth being money.
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I can't believe I'm typing this. I have a serious hangover (finished half a bottle of Hennesy) and puked up 4 times this morning. I'm a strong believer in our new players hence the belief to write this. - EDIT: I puked up half way throughout writing this - Let this be a lesson to all those who comtemplate excessive drinking.
Its important for us to realise that there is a diverse player base within Argonath. Naturally, people have different perspectives. I think what is most extraordinary about Argonath, is that it embraces all types of roleplay. There is no set structure or limitation; instead people are allowed to use their imagination and creativity to excel.
Building on the comments of Rage Inc [RI] and Inferno 9 [i9] Its also important to understand that both groups are equally committed towards the development of new players. I have always striven to teach, guide and nurture new players as they are the backbone of this community. They are the most keen to learn and express credentials which are unparalleled by the elite and regular player base of Argonath. I love new players, whether they are freecops or attacking you for no reason. Everything has a purpose. If a new player is attacking you, they probably want attention. Instead of jumping into 'defence mode' and screaming 'ABUSE' and 'ADMIN' try to roleplay with them. Ive found that when attacked by a new player, /hail, /ill and /hurt make them stop attacking you. Why? Because they are baffled with excitement knowing that their attacks have hurt you.
In time, through the process of nurturing and teaching, these players become part of the regular player base of Argonath. Depending on the teaching they receive at the beginning, it will define the rest of their Argonath career. In turn we are all equally responsible for eachother's wellbeing and development.
We have all the tools to excel among our competitors (including LS-RP) It's only a matter of having a common vision and utilising them to their full effect.
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Wrong. We have not always been so money-oriented. Back in the day we actually roleplayed without the centre of the earth being money.
I can back that up. MTA:VC is where it all started. The old days were not about money at all. Players had fun with what was available, and /me was a huge deal. When new scripts came out, it was like the roleplay kicked into high gear...but with time corruption came into play, and it hit SA:MP hard. MTA:VC was able to pull away, but none of Argo will ever fully recover from it.
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Frank : I suggest you to eat a piece of lemon whenever you take a sip of your Henessy.
It will allow you to finish half a bottle and wake up the next morning singing.
As far as lack of RP is concerned, I see too many people who are not open to letting new people join. As soon as someone enters the are who is unknown, immediately a defensive wave starts. The first thing is a shout of 'this is private property, get out'. Next they start 'you are ruining RP'. And then they pull out a weapon and start the DM cry.
My advise is that whenever a new player comes near, you welcome him and try to involve them in to your play instead of pushing them away. Not only will they learn much faster to enjoy playing, also its an opportunity to make new friends.
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That thing about the Defensive Wave, yes, it's an issue of some.
but I always try to do.. and help them with CMB/AV-DS... because everybody deserves a chance to grow up & be your friend!
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Gandalf, after a whole night of drinking Im truly exhausted both physically and mentally. In addition to the Hennesy (rappers drink for all you criminal roleplayers) I had the opportunity to indulge in wine, beer and incurably black Aftershock (which is a very strong spirit) The combination of all have destroyed my body (just for the day) and Ive been left at the mercy of McDonalds breakfast to help aid me in the path back to standalone strength. :D
Building on Gandalfs comments (and feeling better to communicate :( ) its important to recognise how important new players are. For example, all the roleplayers that were in Rage Incorporated [RI] were rated as the best pound for pound, but did you know they were all trained by the same people from new? Those new skins are open air for extreme opportunity. For example, we found Seanolk (when new) wondering around Gas Station 9 trying to figure out what there was to accomplish. Through the commitment of Rage Incorporated [RI] to new players, we taught him basic rules, people to speak to and a small taxi job. Through time and nurture, Seanolk left Rage Incorporated [RI] and continued his successful Argonath career. He continues to practise teaching others as he once was - in return having a successful relay effect.
The core point of this is that the platform we provide for new players will distinguish whether they will be good players/community members. If we take a serious stance towards helping new players, we will in turn improve roleplay and playability in the immediate future. If we choose to ignore these new players, we are contributing towards the negativity around this player base. :mad:
When I was new in Argonath, I attacked Hank Rafferty for being a special blue cop (as a new player does :D) Instead of suspecting me; he took some time to teach me the rules, how to speak in local and how to become a freecop (often patrolling with me) I still look back to this day, using it as a launch pad for helping new players today.
In closing, I urge you all towards increased focus on new players helping them however you can. New players in my perspective are the very best roleplayers and in line with this will continue my commitment towards them. I now look towards the community to continue this legacy of building and strengthening our community for the benefit of all. :)
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Gandalf, after a whole night of drinking Im truly exhausted both physically and mentally. In addition to the Hennesy (rappers drink for all you criminal roleplayers) I had the opportunity to indulge in wine, beer and incurably black Aftershock (which is a very strong spirit) The combination of all have destroyed my body (just for the day) and Ive been left at the mercy of McDonalds breakfast to help aid me in the path back to standalone strength. :D
Building on Gandalfs comments (and feeling better to communicate :( ) its important to recognise how important new players are. For example, all the roleplayers that were in Rage Incorporated [RI] were rated as the best pound for pound, but did you know they were all trained by the same people from new? Those new skins are open air for extreme opportunity. For example, we found Seanolk (when new) wondering around Gas Station 9 trying to figure out what there was to accomplish. Through the commitment of Rage Incorporated [RI] to new players, we taught him basic rules, people to speak to and a small taxi job. Through time and nurture, Seanolk left Rage Incorporated [RI] and continued his successful Argonath career. He continues to practise teaching others as he once was - in return having a successful relay effect.
The core point of this is that the platform we provide for new players will distinguish whether they will be good players/community members. If we take a serious stance towards helping new players, we will in turn improve roleplay and playability in the immediate future. If we choose to ignore these new players, we are contributing towards the negativity around this player base. :mad:
When I was new in Argonath, I attacked Hank Rafferty for being a special blue cop (as a new player does :D) Instead of suspecting me; he took some time to teach me the rules, how to speak in local and how to become a freecop (often patrolling with me) I still look back to this day, using it as a launch pad for helping new players today.
In closing, I urge you all towards increased focus on new players helping them however you can. New players in my perspective are the very best roleplayers and in line with this will continue my commitment towards them. I now look towards the community to continue this legacy of building and strengthening our community for the benefit of all. :)
That's why we love you Frankie. <3 :D
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Quite really... out of curiosity, a few months back, I visited that Server as a "noob player" to see what all the hype by the LS-RP Haters on Argonath was about. Guess what, the first words said to me when I bugged some guy how to get started were "Don't bug me, noob". Then I understood.
Actually, everyone I met there when I started, they respected me and teached me how to do that and so on.
Frank : I suggest you to eat a piece of lemon whenever you take a sip of your Henessy.
It will allow you to finish half a bottle and wake up the next morning singing.
As far as lack of RP is concerned, I see too many people who are not open to letting new people join. As soon as someone enters the are who is unknown, immediately a defensive wave starts. The first thing is a shout of 'this is private property, get out'. Next they start 'you are ruining RP'. And then they pull out a weapon and start the DM cry.
My advise is that whenever a new player comes near, you welcome him and try to involve them in to your play instead of pushing them away. Not only will they learn much faster to enjoy playing, also its an opportunity to make new friends.
Sure, I'd love to.
But if the new players is not open for learning I will push him away.
You can see on a player if he's really here to learn something or he's just here to run around punching things. But sure, I'll do that.
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I do whatever I can do involve new players in roleplay.
But only with people I see potential in. For example people with not a name such as "ROBOT_KILLER_2347".
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I do whatever I can do involve new players in roleplay.
But only with people I see potential in. For example people with not a name such as "ROBOT_KILLER_2347".
Hmmm.... how about:
9r235I3K ? (Grzesiek)
P3T3Y (R*Petey)
And I can give you a longer line of names.... in fact we banned more people with the name type John_Smith as with the type IAMHaxxor....
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P3T3Y is far away from ROBOT_KILLER_2347
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I started with EminemDaBest and EminemRulez aswell, Name has nothing to do with player skills. In my Opnion...
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Hmmm.... how about:
9r235I3K ? (Grzesiek)
He was actually +PzP+9r2e5i0.
Just to make his name even worse : ))
(http://www.argonathrpg.com/images/galery/oscar.jpg)
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I do whatever I can do involve new players in roleplay.
But only with people I see potential in. For example people with not a name such as "ROBOT_KILLER_2347".
Just because someone has a John_Smith-esque name, it does not mean they necessarily have more potential than ROBOT_KILLER_2347 or even noobnoob88967. Regardless of the name someone uses ingame, they are still people.
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Is there some difference between "Pandalink" and PANDA_LINK_1337?
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P3T3Y is far away from ROBOT_KILLER_2347
I had AK_MAN47 once.
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Gird3r -> If this was Facebook, I'd "like" this post.
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He was actually +PzP+9r2e5i0.
Just to make his name even worse : ))
(http://www.argonathrpg.com/images/galery/oscar.jpg)
That's the shorted version becasue MTA supports only 12 characters in nick.
Original version is 9r2e5i3k.
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I do whatever I can do involve new players in roleplay.
But only with people I see potential in. For example people with not a name such as "ROBOT_KILLER_2347".
What the hell does a person's name have to do with their roleplay ability? Nothing.
Remember, your name that is displayed and seen by others is OOC.
Ok, if their IC name was something like that then yeah, that would be kinda lame.
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Everbody iss Obsessed with Moeny and When ever we have a Roleplay ervebody is like "How much do we get if we do this " or "People go around " Will do anything for 1k i need to buy some Feul " Work for it People this is a Rp not a Cops and Robber sor a Real life server Enjoy
Signed : Crack
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I first joined as "cop".
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Ok, if their IC name was something like that then yeah, that would be kinda lame.
We once interrogated a criminal called Achagan The Fish. Yes. That was his RP name. :)
It would be boring if everyone had a John_Smith-esque name. Just because someone's RP name does not follow the John_Smith format, does not mean it is not non-RP. Argonath RP is about having fun and being imaginative / creative, not total realism.
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About the "role-play" names - nickname in the game DOES NOT mean your role-play name that you can assume for your played character.
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Wanna stay? Then f**king shut the f**k up and have fun, learning how to defend yourself from deathmatcher, stop drool and cry arouns every bullet and remember those Argonath Players who could even fight hackers when found the tricks to defeat them...
Aragorn i wanna answer on this post...
Yes i wanna stay in Argonath... And its easy to say because you are admin and its to easy
if he come and shoot you, you just do /freeze and the job its finish.
But if you are not an admin what you will do :
Stay and writing /report [id] DMing
for that time you will be killed or if you report and the DMer dont killed you yet
admin wont respond...
they think : Fuck this noob i have some another job i wont look in his report
And what we should do ?
Ok, Maybe admins wont respond..
maybe defend with weapons ???
umm i am not sure
someone its poor and he cant afford a weapons and what he should do ?
and i think you need to give some lesson on the admins they don't respond i making report
for DMing
ok,(no one admin respond)
after 5 sec i making one more
ok, (no one admin respond)
after 5 sec i making one more
(no one admin respond)
and im making reports 5 in a row and im got kick
and the dmer or rulebreakerot its free...
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and i think you need to give some lesson on the admins they don't respond i making report
for DMing
ok,(no one admin respond)
after 5 sec i making one more
ok, (no one admin respond)
after 5 sec i making one more
(no one admin respond)
and im making reports 5 in a row and im got kick
and the dmer or rulebreakerot its free...
The admins get your report once you report once, you have to wait for response, you have to know there can be 5 admins online and 97 other players who are not admins who at the same time can report, they can't just pick YOU from all others. Once they get reports they scroll up and check every report carefully watching the rulebreakers.
If you reported once, don't report more because it will just annoy the admins and you will eventually be kicked for spamming their reports.
maybe defend with weapons ???
someone its poor and he cant afford a weapons and what he should do ?
If you are poor and have no weapons, don't wander around without a car just waiting to be attacked by a DMer, if you get attacked when in a car you can easily report and run away to a place with lots of people.
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I first joined as "cop".
You're always been a cop, foo'
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Dude, if you saw a guy with downs and a guy walking normally.
Who would you first step away from?
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Dude, if you saw a guy with downs and a guy walking normally.
Who would you first step away from?
What kind of question is that?
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People who complain about admins not responding to reports must understand. Some of the reports we get are stupid, many reporters lie because they didn't get their way, many reports are can be solved by players with a little common sense.
Examples:
"He rammed me into gas station and I blow up losing 1050000bizzilian sniper ammo. Admin pay me."
"He carjacked me (when 10 people were shooting him. Please eject him so we can shoot him)"
"This guy looks like a DMer to me"
"He carjacked (really just stole my car) me, so I carjacked him back, but he did it again! Help me!"
"They keep DMing me (when I respawn next to them and start punching them)"
"This guy is DMing me (cause I try steal his weed)"
Reports take quite a bit of time to investigate. We try not warn people when they are reported because people make lies, but warnings and PM warnings are really minor punishments so don't consider them too harsh. Problems arise when people report because they do not know the rules themselves, such as what DMing is, or what scamming is.
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People who complain about admins not responding to reports must understand. Some of the reports we get are stupid, many reporters lie because they didn't get their way, many reports are can be solved by players with a little common sense.
Examples:
"He rammed me into gas station and I blow up losing 1050000bizzilian sniper ammo. Admin pay me."
"He carjacked me (when 10 people were shooting him. Please eject him so we can shoot him)"
"This guy looks like a DMer to me"
"He carjacked (really just stole my car) me, so I carjacked him back, but he did it again! Help me!"
"They keep DMing me (when I respawn next to them and start punching them)"
"This guy is DMing me (cause I try steal his weed)"
Reports take quite a bit of time to investigate. We try not warn people when they are reported because people make lies, but warnings and PM warnings are really minor punishments so don't consider them too harsh. Problems arise when people report because they do not know the rules themselves, such as what DMing is, or what scamming is.
Yes true. Now I do know I am not an admin. An admins job is not to be there for your own personal assistant. You cannot demand things from admins. An admins job is to enforce rules of which will keep the server into order. When you lie about things, for example crap that is useless to an admins job, forcing the admin to take action to stop you from annoying the admin team and spamming their chat, you are actually making a difficult job for someone who doesn't deserve it. You spam the chat, admins miss reports of true situations that need immediate action. Like a hacker.
So stop complaining cause you lost your M4. Ak-47 and $1,000 and let the admins do their job. You ruin the fun for everyone.
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Aragorn i wanna answer on this post...
Yes i wanna stay in Argonath... And its easy to say because you are admin and its to easy
if he come and shoot you, you just do /freeze and the job its finish.
But if you are not an admin what you will do :
Stay and writing /report [id] DMing
for that time you will be killed or if you report and the DMer dont killed you yet
admin wont respond...
they think : f**k this noob i have some another job i wont look in his report
And what we should do ?
Ok, Maybe admins wont respond..
maybe defend with weapons ???
umm i am not sure
someone its poor and he cant afford a weapons and what he should do ?
and i think you need to give some lesson on the admins they don't respond i making report
for DMing
ok,(no one admin respond)
after 5 sec i making one more
ok, (no one admin respond)
after 5 sec i making one more
(no one admin respond)
and im making reports 5 in a row and im got kick
and the dmer or rulebreakerot its free...
Have you ever tried thinking that we only have a few admins left until the next moderator wave, and that you can actually try defending yourself from DMers rather than cry to admins like a little baby?
The Server has many other players aside from you. Times where we have 3 Admins in charge of 40 players is not common, that means every admin has to look after over 10 people, not to mention the spam admins get.
You have a brain, use it to find a solution. If someone came up to me and attacked me, I would defend myself instead of shouting "ADMIN THIS GUY IS DM ME HELP PLZ".
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and i think you need to give some lesson on the admins they don't respond i making report
for DMing
ok,(no one admin respond)
after 5 sec i making one more
ok, (no one admin respond)
after 5 sec i making one more
(no one admin respond)
and im making reports 5 in a row and im got kick
and the dmer or rulebreakerot its free...
Yes you flood admins chat in purpose and if admin kicked you it means admins do work... For judging the reports correct admins take time to check the player which was reported... And while checking him, getting a fucking flood "/report ADMINS ID 8 carjacked me!!!!!!" is a fucking annoying thing...
One of the problems of community - that owners allowed all those fucking complains on each other... And players do not have fun but ficking hunting each other to report... Reports are coming on all possible and impossible shit...
And the one thing that can stop it - removing the reports thing and closing the complaints email...
Enough already the owners and developers the one thing to do - it is sitting and checking logs on every reported shit...
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Once somebody submits a report using the report function he/she must always be aware that admins always have to do something else before helping him/her, or that the admins could be busy spectating hackers or helping other players.... I've seen MAAAANY people moaning like "ADMINS!!!! DID YOU SEE MY REPORT?? HELP MEEEE!!" come on...... if somebody DMs you, run to the nearest car and drive away.... If you do not wanna get killed. (Same for somebody who has Weapon Hacks.) but be patient... admins never just bored to answer to reports since if they were, they wouldn't be on the server to do it.
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Weapon hackers... pfft, I can evade every single weapon except the minigun and the rocket launchers, which are desynced for hackers anyway.
Yes you flood admins chat in purpose and if admin kicked you it means admins do work... For judging the reports correct admins take time to check the player which was reported... And while checking him, getting a f**king flood "/report ADMINS ID 8 carjacked me!!!!!!" is a f**king annoying thing...
One of the problems of community - that owners allowed all those f**king complains on each other... And players do not have fun but ficking hunting each other to report... Reports are coming on all possible and impossible shit...
And the one thing that can stop it - removing the reports thing and closing the complaints email...
Enough already the owners and developers the one thing to do - it is sitting and checking logs on every reported shit...
That's the reason why admins are allowed to have UC Accounts- so they can RP and play in peace, and away from all the "ZOMG ADMIN PLEASE SPOON FEED ME" shit.
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**Roleplay**
We are in vice city. Night is coming and we don't know what's out there.
There has been words about an serial killer from a foreign country. The present anti-serial-killer system is down.
And the contact with the cops (scripts) has been broken.
I'm cluthing my bottle of vodka and my shotgun, we have barricaded ourself in the old military Fort Baxter.
As we laugh and play cards, I can hear the armies outside walk. Death himself (dmers) is here.
I'd want to cry to the gods (admins) but they are not here. I got 10000 $ in clean cash in my pockets.
It's so cold. I hear break into the fort. As I cluth my weapon I get hurt. So hurt.
"Gods (admins) help us!"
But no thy answer came.
What should I do? We still got a functioning telephone wich we can call the higher lords with. And scream and whine in there.
But it's late. 2 Am in the morning.
I imagine myself that this is a zombie infestation. And grab my gun, laugh with my friend. Defend ourself. And survive for another day.
We had fun, while defending ourself against the dmers who refused to listen, we decided to take breaks and have a barbeque. It was so good and fun. But we had a problem.
One of our friend got so hurt that he lost an weapon and 500$. He screamed "OMG FUCKING NOOBS LOLOL I WANT MY MONEY THEY ARE SO IMPORTANT) we told him to chill down, it's a game. Let us patch you up and get you a new gun so we can continue to defend ourself against the zombies. And we took our weapons and a hotdog. And went out there. Claimed our freedom, and our right to have fun.
In that day and night, no admins had ever heard of any dmers, they only had heard about players that defended thier right to have fun and preserve the rpg on thier own. Money was lost, but the fun never rested. No blood tears was cried about those 500$, because friendship was worth so much more. A friend to have fun with is worth more than crying over some money and in the end getting you banned for whining so incredible much with the capslock.
TL;DR learn to defend yourself and preserve your right as an Argonathian. Fun is the number one priority after all. ;)
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**Roleplay**
We are in vice city. Night is coming and we don't know what's out there.
There has been words about an serial killer from a foreign country. The present anti-serial-killer system is down.
And the contact with the cops (scripts) has been broken.
I'm cluthing my bottle of vodka and my shotgun, we have barricaded ourself in the old military Fort Baxter.
As we laugh and play cards, I can hear the armies outside walk. Death himself (dmers) is here.
I'd want to cry to the gods (admins) but they are not here. I got 10000 $ in clean cash in my pockets.
It's so cold. I hear break into the fort. As I cluth my weapon I get hurt. So hurt.
"Gods (admins) help us!"
But no thy answer came.
What should I do? We still got a functioning telephone wich we can call the higher lords with. And scream and whine in there.
But it's late. 2 Am in the morning.
I imagine myself that this is a zombie infestation. And grab my gun, laugh with my friend. Defend ourself. And survive for another day.
We had fun, while defending ourself against the dmers who refused to listen, we decided to take breaks and have a barbeque. It was so good and fun. But we had a problem.
One of our friend got so hurt that he lost an weapon and 500$. He screamed "OMG f**kING NOOBS LOLOL I WANT MY MONEY THEY ARE SO IMPORTANT) we told him to chill down, it's a game. Let us patch you up and get you a new gun so we can continue to defend ourself against the zombies. And we took our weapons and a hotdog. And went out there. Claimed our freedom, and our right to have fun.
In that day and night, no admins had ever heard of any dmers, they only had heard about players that defended thier right to have fun and preserve the rpg on thier own. Money was lost, but the fun never rested. No blood tears was cried about those 500$, because friendship was worth so much more. A friend to have fun with is worth more than crying over some money and in the end getting you banned for whining so incredible much with the capslock.
TL;DR learn to defend yourself and preserve your right as an Argonathian. Fun is the number one priority after all. ;)
+1
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**Roleplay**
We are in vice city. Night is coming and we don't know what's out there.
There has been words about an serial killer from a foreign country. The present anti-serial-killer system is down.
And the contact with the cops (scripts) has been broken.
I'm cluthing my bottle of vodka and my shotgun, we have barricaded ourself in the old military Fort Baxter.
As we laugh and play cards, I can hear the armies outside walk. Death himself (dmers) is here.
I'd want to cry to the gods (admins) but they are not here. I got 10000 $ in clean cash in my pockets.
It's so cold. I hear break into the fort. As I cluth my weapon I get hurt. So hurt.
"Gods (admins) help us!"
But no thy answer came.
What should I do? We still got a functioning telephone wich we can call the higher lords with. And scream and whine in there.
But it's late. 2 Am in the morning.
I imagine myself that this is a zombie infestation. And grab my gun, laugh with my friend. Defend ourself. And survive for another day.
We had fun, while defending ourself against the dmers who refused to listen, we decided to take breaks and have a barbeque. It was so good and fun. But we had a problem.
One of our friend got so hurt that he lost an weapon and 500$. He screamed "OMG f**kING NOOBS LOLOL I WANT MY MONEY THEY ARE SO IMPORTANT) we told him to chill down, it's a game. Let us patch you up and get you a new gun so we can continue to defend ourself against the zombies. And we took our weapons and a hotdog. And went out there. Claimed our freedom, and our right to have fun.
In that day and night, no admins had ever heard of any dmers, they only had heard about players that defended thier right to have fun and preserve the rpg on thier own. Money was lost, but the fun never rested. No blood tears was cried about those 500$, because friendship was worth so much more. A friend to have fun with is worth more than crying over some money and in the end getting you banned for whining so incredible much with the capslock.
TL;DR learn to defend yourself and preserve your right as an Argonathian. Fun is the number one priority after all. ;)
i miss VC, wish my CD didnt break D:
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How to defeat a hacker (SA:MP - Argonath 07) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwRHsFJf0Ng#)
These days I use a sword.
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Someone should write a topic:
"How to survive without crying to an admin and moaning in /p"
On it.
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How to play without crying for admins ?
1. Remember the money is worth nothing. Its just numbers on your screen and having or not having it will do nothing in real life.
2. Share your rewards. If you are cop and someone helped with jailing or killing, send them a share of your reward. If everyone does it, all will benefit. Same for your busines...get people to help you out and actually pay them from your profits..
3. Explain. Many people rulebreak because they are not sure about the rules. Try to explain them yourself before calling in the admins.
4. Remember its a game. So what if you get killed by some DMer sometimes, or someone dents your car meaning you have to spend another $100 for repairs ?
Its no big deal.
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How to play without crying for admins ?
1. Remember the money is worth nothing. Its just numbers on your screen and having or not having it will do nothing in real life.
2. Share your rewards. If you are cop and someone helped with jailing or killing, send them a share of your reward. If everyone does it, all will benefit. Same for your busines...get people to help you out and actually pay them from your profits..
3. Explain. Many people rulebreak because they are not sure about the rules. Try to explain them yourself before calling in the admins.
4. Remember its a game. So what if you get killed by some DMer sometimes, or someone dents your car meaning you have to spend another $100 for repairs ?
Its no big deal.
It was better on MTA:VC, since people there didn't moan and cry for Admins, we only needed Admins when there was a hacker or someone raising serious bullshit.
Argonath RPG is not just a Chatroom, but it is not a Serious Roleplay Server. People are free to RP seriously here, but imposing their RP styles on others, introducing all sorts of BS rules and regulations for others to follow, and criticizing anyone who does not agree with their "Argonath is not RP enough" view are free to GTFO and are not being stopped from going somewhere else.
Dictatorship? Bullshit, we are more welcoming than other Communities. Those people who think that anyone trying to resist the "Serious Leet RP Infection" that has angered Aragorn so much, that the person resisting is a nonRPer and wants Argonath to be a Freeroam, are talking nothing but total bullshits.
Once again, people should read this post.
Here are two ways:
1. Argonath RPG also takes the dictatorship position as any other RPG servers...
2. Argonath gets rid of those moaners and those roleplayers who are trying to shit Argonath with the rules from other servers, aka "serious roleplay"...
Wanna Serious Roleplay? Then Argonath is NOT FOR YOU... Leave it and go moan on Serious RPG servers...
Wanna stay? Then f**king shut the f**k up and have fun, learning how to defend yourself from deathmatcher, stop drool and cry arouns every bullet and remember those Argonath Players who could even fight hackers when found the tricks to defeat them...
Happy New Year btw :D
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I used to kill hackers myself, in the good old days :) when argo had minigames or whatever it was called.
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I have posted this a week ago somewhere else on the forum. But I guess it applies to this topic too.
I have been here since the december month of 2006, and I can tell you, the situation hasn't changed. The perception of the situation has changed.
I'll explain why. In all of the time I have been here, players have always been after money. You know why? Because this is a role playing game, where money takes its place in the center. You can say it's all about the roleplay, but it is the objective (to get money, just like in real life) that creates the roleplay situations.
In the MTA:VC days I have witnessed the same as I do now in SA:MP, players were on a hunt for money. But you need to ask yourself whether that is a bad thing or not (with the reasoning given above).
In my time here on Argonath I've always seen raging statements of how good Argonath was in 'the old days', where 'nobody was after money'.
When one makes such statement, one must make a clear difference between memory and reality. Because those two are paradoxically different. Memories usually only contain a part of the actual reality: the good part.
So, back to the old days. It is ironic how I haven't witnessed a single day in the old days where there weren't players deathmatching, hunting for money, moaning and doing a lot of other things that are concidered bad in the 'eyes of the public'. I am personally getting tired about all the sighing and crying about how good the old days were, where the situation wasn't any different than it is now. The community has never been perfect, and you know what? It cannot be perfect. I'll make it clear to all of you: there is not difference in the situation between the old days and the new days!
I have had a great time here on Argonath ever since that time I joined the MTA:VC server. Yes, unlike some other people, I had as good of a time then as I have now. Why do you think I am still here?
Now I have a question for these people who love to make such statements. Why, for the love of god, do you like to paint the new days (in your view) as something to be depressed about? Why do you have to present 'moaners' and 'money hungry players' as the key stereotypes for this community? Why!
What these people are doing is projecting an overall hopeless image of how the community is now in their eyes, and presenting it as the truth, while it is anything but.
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How to play without crying for admins ?
1. Remember the money is worth nothing. Its just numbers on your screen and having or not having it will do nothing in real life.
2. Share your rewards. If you are cop and someone helped with jailing or killing, send them a share of your reward. If everyone does it, all will benefit. Same for your busines...get people to help you out and actually pay them from your profits..
3. Explain. Many people rulebreak because they are not sure about the rules. Try to explain them yourself before calling in the admins.
4. Remember its a game. So what if you get killed by some DMer sometimes, or someone dents your car meaning you have to spend another $100 for repairs ?
Its no big deal.
Very very clever and clean I mean CLEEEAN thinking,you have my respect for ever!!! Thats all of us suppos to be :D
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Dude, players are just kids (70%) these days that want to own the festest cars, best houses, well earning businesses, etc...
Argonath RPG is not like old days anymore, some very precious players left, all that remained is just some money greedy kids, and some few old school RP'ers.
Everyone loves to moan on the main chat when they get a pretty valid suspection, and they go like "ADMINS WTF ABUSE, UNSUS ME PLZ".
It's just about money now, only a few people care about the RP anyways. :D
Daco -.- "RAF GIVE ME 5K PLIZZ" look whos talking -.-
How to defeat a hacker (SA:MP - Argonath 07) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwRHsFJf0Ng#)
These days I use a sword.
LOL. JCS i never mess with you again sorry. :P
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Good RP is being able to react to any situation in a way like you would react on the street, and trying to make it fun for all involved.
Well said
This especially should go for cops...
WHO realy cares if you suspect did /hail and now decides to run away... DONT MOAN, chase him, carry on...
WHO CARES that the kidnappers killed the hostage, carry on DONT MOAN.
WHO cares he wont give you the weed he has on him.....
Just rememeber as Gandalf has said... ADJUST your rp to suit the situation..
If you being robbing someone and a cop comes along and fires his gun... DONT MOAN, thin he a cop your a criminal... adjust your RP... play WITH it not against it.
You got sussed for speeding... WELL you can have fun running as a criminal...
You was in a RP and someone set a hit on you... DONT MOAN, play with it, get protection, enjoy it..
You got killed by a dmer.. well you hopefully spawned away, just carry on playing...
You got attacked by a dmer... DEFEND youself, admins prefer a player that is willing to help themselves within limits.
If a rp situation changes due to outside influence... change with it, it can make it interesting as instead of it going the way you wanted the RP to go, its now going a different way, it does not make it less fun.
STOP moaing if the rp does not go your way, your not the only one involved, remember criminals cops are part of this server and if your commiting crimes, expect cops, even if you didnt want them in your rp.. sames oes with cops, if the criminals do not react as you want, SO WHAT, carry on, play, dont moan.
If players are spawn camping on an entrance or exit plan a way to solve it, sometimes its called wait them out ! Do not expect quick solutions, expect a solution that takes thinking and imagination.
Do not expect admin help if you broke a rule, recently a guy complained about a carjacker and he carjacked it back, then the guy carjacked it back... both at fault, not one....
Most of all players.... enjoy the challange of a dynamically changing situation.
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Well, money is also important for RP.
You can live in houses, you can own your own cars.
But there are several problems:
As someone said before (dont know who anymore), people only care about the best cars, best houses, best business, but ArgonathRPG is for roleplaying, not for money ... Currently I own a house, with a normal value! (115K)
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Yeah before admins had some patience and people didint moan so much but thats cause admins were cool with it and so were players, then the strict rules came wich yeah didint allow some new things and RP got more serious cause some things werent aloud. in old scripts money was easy to make honestly at 0.1b when i joined i made 100k with one week and it was hard to spend that kind of cash so there was no moaning about cash cause it was easy to get. Times have changed cash is harder to get that easly and you can spend it very fast on guns,cars that cost like 2 millions, Houses what cost like 15 millions or ammunations what cost like yeah unlimited millions. I dont really understand that moan about money and stuff I dont have that kind of problem cause I live in poor place and i have a van, thats all i need. I use my cash only to pimp cars.
About serious roleplay. Serious roleplay is fun also, why do you think people do it otherwise? They start to moan cause their RP leads to no where after countless times of attempts. They wont have fun and thats the reason to moan. Admins are yeah very strict and sometimes even rude some people dont like it and they start to fight with them etc. I got nothing against admins but yeah, the patience should come back then everything should change, not just admin patience but player patience too and they shoudlnt care about money so much, why the f**k would you need villa, ammunation or an fancy car what costs you millions? Just enjoy what you have and learn to respect it and use it.
I use my money to pimp my car, buy armour sometimes... And dont know, buy 9mm when im too lazy to drive to my home and /load weapon...
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You got attacked by a dmer... DEFEND youself, admins prefer a player that is willing to help themselves within limits.
Do not expect admin help if you broke a rule, recently a guy complained about a carjacker and he carjacked it back, then the guy carjacked it back... both at fault, not one....
These two points are contradictory, please clarify.
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These two points are contradictory, please clarify.
I'll be happy to do that.
It is not a rule-breaking offense to defend yourself from a DMer (but do not moan if you get wanted if you end up killing him), but it is one to carjack your vehicle back from a guy who carjacked it from you, just like flaming someone who flames you.
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Defense is a valid reason...and actually maybe more fun that reporting a dmer !!
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Defense is a valid reason...and actually maybe more fun that reporting a dmer !!
Truth lies in those words. When you take time to report the person, he WILL kill you. When you actually fight back/run away it can be much more fun for you and the other person. Who knows, maybe he has a reason to kill you that you don't know.
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I hope that people will remember the earlier posts by the Owners in this topic, and that those who know how to RP true Argonath-style could help by helping to prevent the spread of ideologies from other RP Servers that have no place here.
Until now I have still noticed a wide range of players using /em for "Succeed / Fail?" scenarios, not to mention IC / OOC. They may be essential on other Servers, but they have no place here.
Once again, Argonath RP is based on creativity, imagination, and fun, rather than on 1,000 useless rules / regulations / customs.
Please don't ever forget that.
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Why do you keep pursuing it, JDCdesigns?
those who know how to RP true Argonath-style could help by helping to prevent the spread of ideologies from other RP Servers that have no place here.
I've never seen someone teaching a rookie role-playing methods such as: /em Succeed/Fail. I've seen people distinguishing IC from OOC, but never saying to use brackets to separate both or anything like.
Until now I have still noticed a wide range of players using /em for "Succeed / Fail?" scenarios, not to mention IC / OOC. They may be essential on other Servers, but they have no place here.
And you're the one who will kill our imagination?
Of course not, it's all a matter of creativity. I remember I started to use the /em function (probably not the first) with those Yes or No and, in the following weeks, people started to use it, as well. I never taught it to anyone. I never said: do this, do that. They just take it as a role-play method because, for their style of RP, it's suitable or they simply enjoy using more functions.
Once again, Argonath RP is based on creativity, imagination, and fun, rather than on 1,000 useless rules / regulations / customs.
I am beginning to get interested now. Who are those persons who ENFORCE those regulations/rules to others?
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You seem to have a problem with someone. Why don't you go ingame, instead, and speak up your mind about that/those person/(s). Ever heard about the politicians? They talk, they talk, talk, talk, talk but they do nothing. Like the dogs who bark at the passing car but when the car stops they remain quiet.
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I hope that people will remember the earlier posts by the Owners in this topic, and that those who know how to RP true Argonath-style could help by helping to prevent the spread of ideologies from other RP Servers that have no place here.
Until now I have still noticed a wide range of players using /em for "Succeed / Fail?" scenarios, not to mention IC / OOC. They may be essential on other Servers, but they have no place here.
Once again, Argonath RP is based on creativity, imagination, and fun, rather than on 1,000 useless rules / regulations / customs.
Please don't ever forget that.
You also seem to forgetting that forcing RP is not allowed here, so the /em Success / Fail is a way of letting both parties know if it was successfull or a failure. Instead of just forcing him.
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I hope that people will remember the earlier posts by the Owners in this topic, and that those who know how to RP true Argonath-style could help by helping to prevent the spread of ideologies from other RP Servers that have no place here.
Until now I have still noticed a wide range of players using /em for "Succeed / Fail?" scenarios, not to mention IC / OOC. They may be essential on other Servers, but they have no place here.
Once again, Argonath RP is based on creativity, imagination, and fun, rather than on 1,000 useless rules / regulations / customs.
Please don't ever forget that.
So what RolePlay is for you? zombie, a flying clown. What else? you are probably one of worst RolePlayers on Argonath, not even knowing what OOC / IC means. + Forcing to RP Is not allowed here.
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I remember I started to use the /em function (probably not the first) with those Yes or No and, in the following weeks, people started to use it, as well. I never taught it to anyone. I never said: do this, do that.
Of course you don't need to say "do this, do that", but new players are taking example from you. You should keep that in mind.
You also seem to forgetting that forcing RP is not allowed here, so the /em Success / Fail is a way of letting both parties know if it was successfull or a failure. Instead of just forcing him.
Forcing RP is your beloved "no powergaming/metagaming".
And the success/fail is the most redundant rule/system (what the hell is this anyway?) I've seen. Especially when used when a player has to comply anyway (example - cop cuffing a surrendered suspect).
So what RolePlay is for you? zombie, a flying clown. What else? you are probably one of worst RolePlayers on Argonath, not even knowing what OOC / IC means. + Forcing to RP Is not allowed here.
Says you.
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I wouldn't have commented, but I saw a particularly retarded post.
you are probably one of worst RolePlayers on Argonath, not even knowing what OOC / IC means.
Anyone who needs OOC/IC is a bad roleplayer.
+ Forcing to RP Is not allowed here.
No, it isn't. But if you need a S/F system to get out of roleplaying, you're doing it wrong.
If you don't want to roleplay with someone (and they aren't cops, who are allowed to force situations on you), do one of two things:
:: Walk the f**k away, nobody is forcing you to stay.
:: Act like a total retard, if they go "what are you doing?" just reply with something like "WHAT THE SON OF A MOTHER DUCK THERE IS A COOKIE IN YOUR FLANDO". Eventually said fail roleplayer will run away in fear of your clear insanity.
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Anyone who needs OOC/IC is a bad roleplayer.
no.
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Anyone who needs OOC/IC is a bad roleplayer.
No.
Why did people start to compare these servers once again?
Ah, It was JDC.
The one and only.
Jesus guys, let people roleplay however they want, no need to tell someone that THIS IS RIGHT, or THIS IS WRONG.
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Anyone who needs OOC/IC is a bad roleplayer.
The most important word here is "needs".
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IC = In Character
OOC = Out Of Character
YEEEEEEEEAAAAAHHH.
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IC = In Character
OOC = Out Of Character
YEEEEEEEEAAAAAHHH.
man u good
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The most important word here is "needs".
Yeah, and still "No".
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Yeah, and still "No".
Then you are not a good enough roleplayer to be able to do so without the training wheels of OOC/IC.
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Then you are not a good enough roleplayer to be able to do so without the training wheels of OOC/IC.
That's your opinion, and I respect that.
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Definately agreed. Money is taking way too seriously and I think players need to realise we can have fun and roleplay without money...
+897967576570748577658907077657677545643688747384778847476476746674648368747847857434386748364. My god, that's what I've been trying to get to players minds!! You made my signature. PLAYERS NEED TO SEE MONEY IS NOT IMPORTANT. ty
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I gave away my 1,5 million, you should try it. I was smiling for five days straight. (Yeah, it felt that good)
Also, you may not believe 600$ is much to live for, but trust me, it is.
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+897967576570748577658907077657677545643688747384778847476476746674648368747847857434386748364. My god, that's what I've been trying to get to players minds!! You made my signature. PLAYERS NEED TO SEE MONEY IS NOT IMPORTANT. ty
The rest of the community doesn't share that opinion.
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The rest of the community doesn't share that opinion.
Orly?
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Yeaaaah.
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You who have criticized my post are obviously the bad Roleplayers. I am taking a view that has also belonged to Argonath's real great roleplayers, the owners included. I'm thankful that Panda and Grze have posted contrary to the said people.
IC / OOC:
- Gandalf himself has said that a good roleplayer (or basically anyone that does not have a very low mental capacity when it comes to RP) do not need this to RP in Argonath. They should be clever enough to distinguish if what the other person is saying concerns the RP or other affairs, at once. A custom from other RP Servers that has no place in Argonath, it is essential there but total bullshit here.
Brackets
- Once again, Gandalf said that these are totally unnecessary for "great RP", for the same reasons as IC / OOC. Something used by people that do not have the mental capacity to distinguish between the RP and other affairs. Something that isn't needed here as well.
Metagaming / Powergaming
- Another essential for RP... but not in Argonath. Good Roleplayers can figure out for themselves how to go with the flow without getting themselves forced into undesirable situations. Another custom useless in Argonath.
Wrong use of /em
- This command was made so we can RP a situation from a 3rd-person view, not for success / fail scenario.
Just what is it that you people do not understand? I am basically reminding you people of Argonath RP, many of the things I've said coming from Gandalf's and RON's posts, yet I get flamed and everything else. On the other hand when they say it, everyone agrees. Ironic much?
Before you call me a bad RPer, you who incorporate useless rules / customs / regulations into Argonath and criticize those who advocate the good Argonath RP style used by most MTA:VC Veterans, get a mirror first.
The way of RP that you criticize is one that goes according to the Argonath Vision, one that was used on MTA:VC before, for the longest time. If you insist on insulting those who share the same view and insisting on customs that are useless here, you are free to roam around and drool on your beloved Strict-Awesome-1337-RP Servers.
And my sig as well, the original unaltered quote.
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You still didn't gave me names, JDCdesigns.
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Do I seriously need to name all of them? There are a lot of them, some who I even don't know or have no knowledge of.
However, I can do say that judging from my observations of their reactions to my post against those useless rules / regulations, that you (Joey_DeRossi) and Que condone or support those customs which have no place in Argonath. Unless my observations are wrong and the reality is otherwise?
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JDC, we RP the way we want to in Argonath. If new people want to RP like us, that's not our bloody fault.
Stop harassing RPers simply because they dont think the way you do.
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JDC can't roleplay himself and he is barking all day about 1337 roleplayers, lol...
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JDC can't roleplay himself and he is barking all day about 1337 roleplayers, lol...
Tru.
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The rest of the community doesn't share that opinion.
Not really. I do.
JDC can't roleplay himself and he is barking all day about 1337 roleplayers, lol...
JDC is actually a quite good roleplayer. Just because he is not using brackets and OOC/IC, doesn't make him a bad roleplayer.
Tru.
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Why are people still arguing about this?
Let us and them roleplay as they want...
Nobody should care.
(unless they call others noobs because they are not using their system)
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Do I seriously need to name all of them? There are a lot of them, some who I even don't know or have no knowledge of.
If you don't mind, please do name 4-5 persons. I really want to know who ENFORCES their role-play.
What I seem to understand from you, JDCdesigns, is that you don't know what your talking about ("some who I even don't know or have no knowledge of). Believe me, I've role-played with the most variate type of people, from rookies to veterans, from nice guys to rude ones and I've never seen them saying things such as: Don't powergame this, don't metagame that, use brackets this, etc that.
However, I can do say that judging from my observations of their reactions to my post against those useless rules / regulations, that you (Joey_DeRossi) and Que condone or support those customs which have no place in Argonath. Unless my observations are wrong and the reality is otherwise?
First - I'm not posting against rules or regulations. I am just saying that there's no such thing in Argonath. Although some use brackets (for example) I've never seen them motivating others to use it. I don't care if a person comes to me and talks with brackets, because that's THEIR way to role-play. Who am I to condemn them? Creativity and imagination MUST always take place, in Argonath.
Second - I do not support nor condone those kind of actions. Once again, I respect everyone with their way of role-playing - they can have all the rules they want, as long as they don't start taking on me for not using the same rules, which, I've never seen happening.
Third - Until you do not give me those 4-5 names, I will consider that your observations are wrong and the reality is, indeed, otherwise.
Once you name me those persons I will make sure that they reply on this topic, because I don't believe there's such thing as 4-5 persons saying to the rookies: use this, use that.
Not because I think everyone is a good player, because I know some aren't, but because I know that, those, who are considered "bad" players, don't even take the time to ENFORCE their kind of role-play to rookies.
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^ RPG = RP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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JDC, we RP the way we want to in Argonath. If new people want to RP like us, that's not our bloody fault.
Stop harassing RPers simply because they dont think the way you do.
People like you RP the way they want to, and end up pissing off people from the MTA:VC Veterans up to the Owners themselves. I'm sure you've already read the Owners' posts against these 1337-RP-Customs seeping into Argonath.
JDC can't roleplay himself and he is barking all day about 1337 roleplayers, lol...
You're quite the person to judge a book by its cover, aren't you? I haven't even spent a lot of time with you, so you don't totally know how I RP, let alone my personality. JDC isn't made up only of the things he posts on the Forums.
And thank you, Aksel. :)
If you don't mind, please do name 4-5 persons. I really want to know who ENFORCES their role-play.
What I seem to understand from you, JDCdesigns, is that you don't know what your talking about ("some who I even don't know or have no knowledge of). Believe me, I've role-played with the most variate type of people, from rookies to veterans, from nice guys to rude ones and I've never seen them saying things such as: Don't powergame this, don't metagame that, use brackets this, etc that.
Since we've both played for quite some time on Argonath, I was sure you'd come across some of those people, who teach new players how to RP on Argonath the way people RP on other Servers. I have, but I don't remember their names. I've even seen some nutcases saying "I will form a group that will teach new players this great style of RP". :lol:
I was able to make references to people who I do not even know, since judging from the reactions of seasoned Argonath veterans up to the Owners themselves, there must be quite an amount of people spreading bullshit from other Servers and asking others to RP according to their style. You don't see RON pissed off and Gandalf posting against it for no reason, do you?
First - I'm not posting against rules or regulations. I am just saying that there's no such thing in Argonath. Although some use brackets (for example) I've never seen them motivating others to use it. I don't care if a person comes to me and talks with brackets, because that's THEIR way to role-play. Who am I to condemn them? Creativity and imagination MUST always take place, in Argonath.
I did not say that you were posting against rules and regulations, in my last post I was referring to people who reacted to my post which was made against those useless "rules" / "regulations" / customs / bullshit from other RP Servers, sorry for not using the correct word order. :(
And as I mentioned above, I've come across some people condoning and even advocating the use of such things... it happened many times in quite a long time though, so don't be surprised if I don't remember their names.
Second - I do not support nor condone those kind of actions. Once again, I respect everyone with their way of role-playing - they can have all the rules they want, as long as they don't start taking on me for not using the same rules, which, I've never seen happening.
Have you noticed all those people condemning me for speaking against brackets, IC / OOC, and Powergaming / Metagaming? (Ironically, things which the Owners have also condemned / spoken against)
If you look deeply into their posts, you can obviously see that they condone / support the things which I have spoken against.
Third - Until you do not give me those 4-5 names, I will consider that your observations are wrong and the reality is, indeed, otherwise.
As I mentioned above, I don't remember names, I just know that there are quite some of them on Argonath, from those who support those bullshits indirectly to those who openly condemn others who speak out against it.
Let's say you meet a stranger walking a dog on the street, a long time ago, although you don't know him well, so you eventually forget his name. You just remember that he was wearing this or that and that he was walking a dog.
Once you name me those persons I will make sure that they reply on this topic, because I don't believe there's such thing as 4-5 persons saying to the rookies: use this, use that.
Not because I think everyone is a good player, because I know some aren't, but because I know that, those, who are considered "bad" players, don't even take the time to ENFORCE their kind of role-play to rookies.
Some of them do, although there aren't many who force others to do the same. The farthest that most of them will go is to openly support their kind of RP, which is riddled with things that do not have place on Argonath.
I'm sorry if I made any wrong observations about you, Joey, in any of my previous posts. I just thought, judging from your reaction to one of my previous posts, that you were among the supporters or condoners. A mistake on my part.
And the name's JDC for short, just call me that next time. :)
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The MTA:VC way was cool, but I prefer SAMP.
But yes, SAMP is full of dickheads.
True, i was one of them...
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JDC is actually a quite good roleplayer. Just because he is not using brackets and OOC/IC, doesn't make him a bad roleplayer.
just because, we use brackets and else, doesn't make us abad roleplayers.
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just because, we use brackets and else, doesn't make us abad roleplayers.
If only I could send you back in time, to MTA:VC, you would easily learn how to RP without needing those. :)
I do understand that people are free to RP the way they want on this Server, but if they advocate a style of RP full of things that have no place here or openly criticize / detract anyone who discourages its use or speaks against it, then that's where the line is drawn. Don't forget that you are on Argonath RPG, which isn't like the other RP Servers.
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JDC, You claim that Alan is 'pissing' off MTA:VC veterans and in turn the owners yet you are oblivious to the fact that RP can be tailored to a certain extent. Gandalf has made it clear that tailoring the concept of RP is perfectly acceptable within a group. However, what is important to note is that we should not be enforcing our will and methodology into our peers. Instead, we should be relying on creativity and imagination allowing each player to be a distinguished member of the community.
I understand that you are concerned with the level of diversity within the community. As a result of your concern, you should consider pitching an e-mail to the owners regarding these players who are considered to be enforcing their will onto others. We will not benefit from blind accusations been tossed around the forum as it will not instil the value of positivity in line with the highly acclaimed atmosphere in MTA:VC.
Since we've both played for quite some time on Argonath, I was sure you'd come across some of those people, who teach new players how to RP on Argonath the way people RP on other Servers. I have, but I don't remember their names. I've even seen some nutcases saying "I will form a group that will teach new players this great style of RP". :lol:
Whilst you preach and preach regarding positivity, conduct and behaviour - you have shot yourself in the foot by mentioning the above. Taking into consideration, that there is no group focussed on new player development, I take it that the above comments relate to Inferno 9 [i9]. A sly attempt to slander our group will not go unnoticed by me or the wider community. Inferno 9 [i9] have introduced many new players who would be otherwise ignored into our community whilst equipped with the principles to succeed. Inferno 9 [i9] as a result, have a strong track record for excellence through governance and the desire to succeed. We are unique based on the spirit of this community which supports creativity, imagination and ingenuity which all play critical factors.
By reflecting on your posts in this topic, I can see that you are aligning very closely with Aragorn and Gandalf, yet indirectly imposing your own sanctions that haven't even been agreed in principle. I cannot speak for Gandalf or Aragorn, however cloaking yourself using their coats as protection will expose you.
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In the early days, Argonath never needed IC/OOC or Success/Fail. They RPed as they went.
Let your imagination run wild.
Think about this: You start off with a hobo drinking rum which turns out to be contaminated with a virus that turns the hobo into a zombie, and we have an outbreak of zombies and someone starts using vegetables and fruits (Trobby :lol: ) against zombies, but some gained super powers and saves the day, with a celebration at the nearby strip club with dancing clowns and FBI Agents, and some terrorist group radiated several towns in which the police and military was deployed to evacuate citizens and kill/capture mutant creatures, then a horrible weather disaster that virtually destroyed the city, and then there's lawless times where the government has failed to protect the citizens in which the guys did whatever to protect themselves and others from hackers and deathmachers by camping at a secure location and enforce the lawless city.
The list goes on. This is the true value of Roleplay that Argonath has proudly built upon it.
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In the early days, Argonath never needed IC/OOC or Success/Fail. They RPed as they went.
Just like it keeps going on VC:MP,which is IMO the best way to have fun,even tho its not the most ordinary way :)
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Very well, JDC.
And as I mentioned above, I've come across some people condoning and even advocating the use of such things... it happened many times in quite a long time though, so don't be surprised if I don't remember their names.
As I mentioned above, I don't remember names, I just know that there are quite some of them on Argonath, from those who support those bullshits indirectly to those who openly condemn others who speak out against it.
You see, JDC, you have just proven my point.
I always "contested" your replies because I know that Argonath doesn't suffer of "role-playing enforcement".
Also, it is clearly, in both the quotes, that you don't know what your talking about. First you say it was quite a long time ago, secondly you say that there are some in Argonath...where do we stand?
In my opinion, your arguing about something that does not exist. Perhaps you have that image but - the truth is - it isn't the way you see it.
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Think about this: You start off with a hobo drinking rum which turns out to be contaminated with a virus that turns the hobo into a zombie, and we have an outbreak of zombies and someone starts using vegetables and fruits (Trobby :lol: ) against zombies, but some gained super powers and saves the day, with a celebration at the nearby strip club with dancing clowns and FBI Agents, and some terrorist group radiated several towns in which the police and military was deployed to evacuate citizens and kill/capture mutant creatures, then a horrible weather disaster that virtually destroyed the city, and then there's lawless times where the government has failed to protect the citizens in which the guys did whatever to protect themselves and others from hackers and deathmachers by camping at a secure location and enforce the lawless city.
Omg yes
Anyways, I think this conversation about "OOC/IC/Brackets/other stuff using people VS people that are not using them" is bullocks.
Let people RP as they want... they'll be punished by moderation/administration if they force other people to use it or flame them for not using them, and---.........on second thought, I think I already made my point.
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Listen to this guys, this is some valuable advice to those who are obsessed with money.
I've been playing since march, i've been a money-hungry criminal for a long time.
I've lost friends, been kicked from groups, been banned and punished for my greed.
I have achieved my goals, I own a massive house, private jet, my favourite business, and you know what?
It's boring.
I've never been so bored on argonath in my life.
Money is boring, it's destructive, and it ruins the right-minded roleplayer within.
If you wish to keep your interest in this server, then kill that stupid lust for money
and roleplay.
The only reason i've kept my assets and wealth is purely to support my group.
both of my properties are public HQ's for my group and my jet was bought as
a family jet, and the remainder of my money is sieved into my group to keep it
afloat.
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Listen to this guys, this is some valuable advice to those who are obsessed with money.
I've been playing since march, i've been a money-hungry criminal for a long time.
I've lost friends, been kicked from groups, been banned and punished for my greed.
I have achieved my goals, I own a massive house, private jet, my favourite business, and you know what?
It's boring.
I've never been so bored on argonath in my life.
Money is boring, it's destructive, and it ruins the right-minded roleplayer within.
If you wish to keep your interest in this server, then kill that stupid lust for money
and roleplay.
The only reason i've kept my assets and wealth is purely to support my group.
both of my properties are public HQ's for my group and my jet was bought as
a family jet, and the remainder of my money is sieved into my group to keep it
afloat.
Money...
A small thing that can cause an human to be a demon.
Impressive
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Who the hell started this Brackets make you a bad roleplayer idea?
How on eart can being able to seperate IC from OOC properly make you a bad roleplayer?
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Money...
A small thing that can cause an human to be a demon.
Impressive
Obsession leads to a clouded mind, and clouded minds lead to destruction.
Keep a clear mind, it'll do you good.
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Let me put it this way.
SAMP is to Argonath as /b/ is to 4chan, full of cancer.
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Who the hell started this Brackets make you a bad roleplayer idea?
How on eart can being able to seperate IC from OOC properly make you a bad roleplayer?
I don't know, but somehow, we are.
I wonder if I stop use brackets, do I roleplay like a master then? Maybe join some events and use some cool smileys. And ah yeah, pee on a officer outside LSPD. Wow, I gotta try. I'm doing gooooood.
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Listen to this guys, this is some valuable advice to those who are obsessed with money.
I've been playing since march, i've been a money-hungry criminal for a long time.
I've lost friends, been kicked from groups, been banned and punished for my greed.
I have achieved my goals, I own a massive house, private jet, my favourite business, and you know what?
It's boring.
I've never been so bored on argonath in my life.
Money is boring, it's destructive, and it ruins the right-minded roleplayer within.
If you wish to keep your interest in this server, then kill that stupid lust for money
and roleplay.
The only reason i've kept my assets and wealth is purely to support my group.
both of my properties are public HQ's for my group and my jet was bought as
a family jet, and the remainder of my money is sieved into my group to keep it
afloat.
Guess the warnings I give to players who move to SA:MP are correct then... :)
Its good to see that you have seen past it all Romeo, and remember there is always a place waiting for you back in VC:MP where you started... ;)
Nothing wrong with playing SA:MP, as long as you know not to get hypnotized by the money and power.
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- Gandalf himself
You're making him seem like a god or something.
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JDC, You claim that Alan is 'pissing' off MTA:VC veterans and in turn the owners yet you are oblivious to the fact that RP can be tailored to a certain extent. Gandalf has made it clear that tailoring the concept of RP is perfectly acceptable within a group. However, what is important to note is that we should not be enforcing our will and methodology into our peers. Instead, we should be relying on creativity and imagination allowing each player to be a distinguished member of the community.
My apologies... It seems like I did not use the appropriate words to convey the idea that I had in mind, as I made those last posts after not having any sleep for 27 hours... something that usually blurs my mind and causes me to make mistakes.
I may have made a mistake by using Alan in the reference in the first place, I was not thinking clearly, so since he was one of those who seem to denounce my posts supporting Argonath MTA:VC-Styled RP, as bullshit, I ended up thinking of him together with those enforcers, at once.
This is not a futile attempt to cover up any mistakes... one of my problems is when sometimes, I have an idea I would like to convey in a Forum Post, but I end up failing to use the correct words, so when it is read, it could come off as something else. Usually people who end up doing the above would think or say to themselves "It sounded much better in my head...".
I understand that you are concerned with the level of diversity within the community. As a result of your concern, you should consider pitching an e-mail to the owners regarding these players who are considered to be enforcing their will onto others. We will not benefit from blind accusations been tossed around the forum as it will not instil the value of positivity in line with the highly acclaimed atmosphere in MTA:VC.
Posts I have made encouraging others to adapt a style of RP that has originated in MTA:VC have drawn highly inflammatory reactions and even insults, which have become the reasons for the succeeding posts.
Whilst you preach and preach regarding positivity, conduct and behaviour - you have shot yourself in the foot by mentioning the above. Taking into consideration, that there is no group focussed on new player development, I take it that the above comments relate to Inferno 9 [i9]. A sly attempt to slander our group will not go unnoticed by me or the wider community. Inferno 9 [i9] have introduced many new players who would be otherwise ignored into our community whilst equipped with the principles to succeed. Inferno 9 [i9] as a result, have a strong track record for excellence through governance and the desire to succeed. We are unique based on the spirit of this community which supports creativity, imagination and ingenuity which all play critical factors.
I did not make those comments in reference to Inferno 9 [i9], I was talking about real nutcases... people who have actually bumped into me, antagonizing me and saying that what I talk about is complete bullshit and how they will form a group that will impose their style of RP on others. I know very well that some of the people within i9, yourself included, are people respected within the Argonath Community, a status that those nutcases would not attain.
I had no intention of slandering you or any of the other [i9] members, and I definitely, once again, did not direct those comments in your direction.
And fortunately, those nutcases I have spoken of, have never been able to make their planned groups into a reality. I don't even remember their names... not that I would want to. I don't recall any incident where the said group or any of its representatives have denounced Argonath MTA:VC-Styled RP, which something that I remember one of those nutcases did.
By reflecting on your posts in this topic, I can see that you are aligning very closely with Aragorn and Gandalf, yet indirectly imposing your own sanctions that haven't even been agreed in principle. I cannot speak for Gandalf or Aragorn, however cloaking yourself using their coats as protection will expose you.
I do not need to cloak myself with their coats for protection. I make these posts with the knowledge that I would answer for anything they cause. When I stated that I adapted their views, I already anticipated these "hiding" comments or accusations in advance.
And please enlighten me as to what sanctions I am indirectly imposing on others... I do not recall intending to impose sanctions. The best I can do is speak out against those who denounce MTA:VC-styled RP in favor of things that have no place on the Argonath SA:MP Server, so I have no intent of imposing any sanctions... since in the first place, they are not within my capabilities. Why waste my time?
If I truly and personally made these posts with the negative intent of raising chaos, I would resign the Admins Team, FBI, and =AV=, to disappear from Argonath.
And for those who are confused as to who are the people that my posts criticize, I'll make it clear once and for all.
- People who denounce any form of support or advocation for Argonath MTA:VC-Styled RP
- People who advocate or support customs / "rules" / "regulations" from other Servers that have no place here
- People with the open or secret intent of spreading styles of RP to others, in the hopes of eventually getting them to stop considering MTA:VC styled-RP and take a view against it, in favor of things that have no place here. Those who fall under this category, and who are at the very extreme end of it, are the ones I have spoken of as "nutcases".
- And lastly, the "Enforcers".
Post Merge: March 03, 2010, 01:50:42 pm
You're making him seem like a god or something.
That's not what I was trying to do :lol:
I'm pointing out (without the intent of ass licking), that Gandalf is a wise person who knows what he says, before he says it. For example, observe all his posts within Politics and Religion.
Who the hell started this Brackets make you a bad roleplayer idea?
How on eart can being able to seperate IC from OOC properly make you a bad roleplayer?
You do not need brackets to properly separate "IC" from "OOC". It's found in one of Gandalf's past posts.
In Argonath's early days, back in MTA:VC, everyone did not need "IC / OOC", Brackets, and "Metagaming / Powergaming". We just RPed and had fun, without being bound by all those "rules", "regulations", and customs that are so widespread in SA:MP. We didn't have trouble distinguishing this from that.
Let me put it this way.
SAMP is to Argonath as /b/ is to 4chan, full of cancer.
Tru dat. :lol:
I apologize for any mistakes that I have made, and I'm expressing these views as my own as well, not hiding behind any of the Owners.
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JDC, I understand that your intentions are good and that you are looking to build upon the values of MTA:VC which worked very well in the past. However, what concerns me is that you are contradicting what you have said. For example, you condemn the structure of IC and OOC yet you encourage the use of MTA:VC RP. There is no official RP approach that has yet been enforced throughout the community. The rules, regulations and Argonath vision all align with the fact that we are free to implement our own principles into our RP though we agree not to enforce it upon others.
In relations to the comment on sanctions, it is from my perspective you are bouncing off the statements made by Gandalf and Aragorn. Whilst I understand this to a certain degree, the overall consensus is that we are free to implement our RP as long as it doesn't cause any harm to stakeholders involved. I have witnessed you several times consistently exploding on /p and in turn the forum. This shows you really care about the community which is great but at the same time controversial. I'm pleased you have made the effort to communicate and address the matter through the forum and engage all those involved. You will suffer no damage from the community for speaking your mind and therefore not having to give up your rights. Building on your comments, please disclose the names of problematic people identified therefore we can build a trend to see whether we can take appropriate action against them.
I believe the way forward is that we end this conflict of supporting certain ways of RP and start embracing universal understanding of RP. It's a matter of adapting to the player in front of you regardless of them being new, regulars or veterans of the community.
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Let me put it this way.
SAMP is to Argonath as /b/ is to 4chan, full of cancer.
Not to mention the most popular.
I like your metaphor, sir.
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Thank you for your understanding, Frank. :)
By MTA:VC RP, I refer to the style practiced by MTA:VC Veterans (including people like Grze) and some SA:MP Players. It has no solid, concrete genre but any forms it may take all have one thing in common: they do not need any of the useless customs that have caused so much controversy on Argonath SA:MP.
I do continue to pursue and express my views, even though they have earned me controversy and insults such as "you're full of shit". I continue to do so because I want to help increase others' awareness to the problems that I have tackled, those which have enraged certain people (RON included) so much.
As for your request for me to disclose names, I do not know the names of every single person that would take criticism from my post or feel opposed / tackled by it, but I do know those who have reacted negatively (and some extremely negatively, to the point of outright denounciation) to any of my posts which have encouraged MTA:VC RP while speaking against the useless customs on SA:MP. Namely Que and Alan Demarest. At first I also thought Joey_DeRossi was one of them until I eventually came to the observation that he did not condone or support any of the things I denounced.
It's natural for me to receive insults and various negative reactions if I do post in this manner, even though a large part of my posts were based on quotes from the Owners. I do understand that people are free to impose any style of RP within a group, and RP any way they want, but there's a line between them and the people who act as if RP is nothing without many "rules" and "regulations", including those who openly advocate the said things. From my observations, I have come to the conclusion that it is the latter who has caused such an uproar from the community and even anger on the part of the Owners.
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Yes JDC, MTA:VC is much commended throughout the community. There are many examples of its fruit including players such as Rusty, Cutter and many more. However at the same time, through the unconventional method of IC and OOC RPing, we have some very talented people too who play an important role in the community. I believe we should distance ourselves from MTA:VC and IC/OOC RP. These are both negative attributes as far as this topic is concerned. As mentioned in my post above, we must be able to accept all methods of RPing whilst keeping strong control on those who enforce it upon others.
Due to the consistent badgering of OOC/IC/MTA:VC attributes, we are subsequently losing players to rival communities. We are distinguished from competition, in a sense that we are able to embrace all varieties of RP. It's time to work together, cease the negativity and do what we do best.
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All you guys who says that money doesn't matter, why don't you just give it to someone who really wants it then?
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All you guys who says that money doesn't matter, why don't you just give it to someone who really wants it then?
You don't understand what we mean by money dosen't matter, in SA:MP, some people (I have seen it MANY, MANY times with my own eyes) will do ANYTHING to get the money or power they think they deserve. Even if this means breaking the rules, and this is what needs to be put a stop to and people need to learn to appriciate the servers RP values instead of ruining the enviroment for the rest by doing whatever they want to get money and power.
And to comment on the MTA:VC part of the discussion, in MTA:VC, our fun used to come from everything, which includes our RP which didn't have moaning, our events which were really fun that didn't have moaning, and when people did want to earn money there was no moaning.
If I was to come on to the SA:MP server at the time when the DD is being held, and maybe someone is bugged or someone rulebreaks to try to gain a advantage in the DD, the other guy who is the victim will flame or provoke and then the whole siutation will come out of hand.
Not a personal attack towards everyone in the SA:MP community, SA:MP has improved in the last year but there is still a lot of work to be done.
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Argonath MTA:VC achieved fame using MTA:VC RP, if we can stand out the same way in SA:MP, using it as well, we will still end up standing out from the other communities. Argonath MTA:VC was a place where everyone was free to RP their own way, but since Argonath MTA:VC's dominant style of RP stood out from all the rest, it achieved the status of being one of the most famous MTA:VC Servers ever.
I am personally sick of people who keep moaning and bullshitting that "Argonath is non-RP" because they fail to see MTA:VC RP for what it is, because they play and measure everything by IC/OOC RP Standards.
True, part of the Developers' Vision was for Argonath to be a place where people are free to RP, which is exactly why IC/OOC RP is opposed, since it bounds roleplayers with lots of useless "rules" and "regulations" that have no place in Argonath.
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All you guys who says that money doesn't matter, why don't you just give it to someone who really wants it then?
That's not constructive. It'd spoil the new guys, not showing them what's role-play.
Better to give out some kind of mission or job to do [preferrably to a new guy] and pay for it. That way you'll get rid of the cash you don't seem to need while inducing some role-play. Even the simplest "bring my car" will do, but you can make more complex plans.
@JDC's posts
The best you can do is play your best and be an example for new players. I don't think it's possible to change the regular players using IC/OOC and other "rules", since they have a different definition of "a good role-play".
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I know that Grze, but it's possible to increase others' awareness against people who try and impose them or attempt to use it to replace Argonath MTA:VC RP. I'd like to do that at least, since I can't eradicate the problems' sources completely.
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JDC - You are contradicting yourself.
There is no set approach/method of RPing which is endorsed and approved throughout Argonath. IC/OOC does not limit the values of free RP. In fact, it propels the imagination of players to seek creative, interesting and challenging scenarios. Though I do not support it, I believe it adds some great elements to our community.
The approach/method of RPing in MTA:VC is not part of the Argonath vision. If it was enforced throughout the community, I believe we would see a rapid decline in players. The same applies to IC/OOC, which for if it was enforced would see another rapid decline in the player base. The two RPing methods are very different in context with a variety of benefits and disadvantages. Most importantly, we must distance ourselves from labelling roleplay scenarios as IC/OOC or MTA:VC. Instead, we must embrace all methods of RP and integrate them in line with the Argonath vision.
By consistently preaching about MTA:VC principles of RP being the most favoured. You are subsequently enforcing it onto other players instead of creating awareness. For example, if new players read this topic and see what you've written in line with your SA:MP moderator position - they will quickly be led to believe we should be RPing MTA:VC style instead of the general RP we should be supporting.
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All you guys who says that money doesn't matter, why don't you just give it to someone who really wants it then?
That's right, why not?
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IC/OOC does not limit the values of free RP.
It narrows thinking what are players reading. If someone says "lol" without the brackets, players will assume it was said as the character because of the lack of any marking. A normally thinking player should be able to distinct what was said by a player as himself or as his played character.
Limiting RP maybe not, but limiting/narrowing thinking of players - yes.
Though I do agree that JDC should stop going all around with the MTA:VC RP, since players won't be able to see it on MTA:VC any more anyway. :roll:
I'd rather just leave those who play with those "extras" and take care of new guys instead.
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It narrows thinking what are players reading. If someone says "lol" without the brackets, players will assume it was said as the character because of the lack of any marking. A normally thinking player should be able to distinct what was said by a player as himself or as his played character.
Limiting RP maybe not, but limiting/narrowing thinking of players - yes.
Can't have said it better.
Though I do agree that JDC should stop going all around with the MTA:VC RP, since players won't be able to see it on MTA:VC any more anyway. :roll:
I wonder why it took so long for anyone to tell me that. ._.
We can still teach it to our new guys here in SA:MP though.
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I've seen new players roleplay better than some of our regulars.
I can easy rate my roleplay good, since I am one of the small amount who use brackets.
First step is probably to remove the /p.
small? you mean enormous.
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Removing /p is the first step from Argonath RPG to Argonath Boring 1337-RPG Server.
Those things should stay out of here, and where they belong.
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Removing /p is the first step from Argonath RPG to Argonath Boring 1337-RPG Server.
Those things should stay out of here, and where they belong.
Go hide under the lame MTA:VC scripts please.
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Go hide under the lame MTA:VC scripts please.
Go to a "strict" RP server, please.
What the hell is wrong with the global chat that you want to remove it?
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Argonath without global chat is fail.
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At least make a /setmainchat off COMMAND as a compromise!
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I said it before, and I will say it again, if you want to isolate yourselves - why not just go on a server that does it for you?
ellessarpea caters well for your needs, enjoy.
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Go hide under the lame MTA:VC scripts please.
Go play in another community. Argo was born in MTA:VC. If you cannot respect that, you don't belong here.
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Go play in another community. Argo was born in MTA:VC. If you cannot respect that, you don't belong here.
mta:vc is dead. everybody plays SA:MP, which is good, and not good at the same time.
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mta:vc is dead. everybody plays SA:MP, which is good, and not good at the same time.
MTA:VC is only inactive because it was firstly, a lot of the regular players and some admins just abandoned it completly, and secondly because ASE went down.
And Aksel, who cares if the scripts aren't as advanced as SA:MP, SA:MP script problems with money and cop commands and whatever half of the time cause all the moaning. Sure its nice to have advanced commands, but not when a community is divided between the moaners, the power greedy, the money greedy, the strict RPers, and then the rest of the Argonath community who can see past the rest of it.
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MTA:VC is only inactive because it was firstly, a lot of the regular players and some admins from 29 just abandoned it completly, and secondly because ASE went down.
"Completely abandoned" is a pretty strong word, to be honest. I never abandon the place where I started in Argonath, it's the prevalent issues in MTA:VC that went unchecked for years, as you mentioned with the ASE, that is limiting our enjoyment in Argonath MTA:VC with potential new players.
mta:vc is dead. everybody plays SA:MP, which is good, and not good at the same time.
MTA:VC is not dead, it's limping behind SA:MP with loyal and old-school players who doesn't want to see it eat dust.
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Argonath is NOT going to turn into a boring, strict-RP Server so those who want it to, can stop dreaming now!
And yes, those people who will get offended by that sentence know who they are.
Go play in another community. Argo was born in MTA:VC. If you cannot respect that, you don't belong here.
I said it before, and I will say it again, if you want to isolate yourselves - why not just go on a server that does it for you?
ellessarpea caters well for your needs, enjoy.
Argonath without global chat is fail.
Go to a "strict" RP server, please.
What the hell is wrong with the global chat that you want to remove it?
MTA:VC is not dead, it's limping behind SA:MP with loyal and old-school players who doesn't want to see it eat dust.
Now this pretty much describe the sentiments of real Argonath players, not those idealists who want to infect Argonath SA:MP by slowly turning it into some strict-RP Server.
Go ahead, post inflammatory reactions to this post of mine, it only proves you are one of those who I just described, who are better off somewhere else.
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"Completely abandoned" is a pretty strong word, to be honest. I never abandon the place where I started in Argonath, it's the prevalent issues in MTA:VC that went unchecked for years, as you mentioned with the ASE, that is limiting our enjoyment in Argonath MTA:VC with potential new players.
I can think of a lot of names that have completely abandoned but you were never one Elite.
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I can think of a lot of names that have completely abandoned but you were never one Elite.
I have my reasons for not being there (which are also known to some other Veterans, but I'd rather not explain), but I always look back to MTA:VC as my roots. Life was so simple when I was still a regular there, wasn't it? ^_^
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I only played Argonath MTAVC for a short time (month), but I still ultimately started there.
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I always forget to get GTA:VC and MTA:VC installed to play MTA:VC argo D:
I've played MTA:VC Argo for like... lets see... I dunno, alot of time.
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I still go on MTA:VC.
I got VCPD Officer in a day, which was cool.
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I still go on MTA:VC.
I got VCPD Officer in a day, which was cool.
You only go there because you were banned from the SA:MP server. You said it yourself. ><