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GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Manas on March 01, 2015, 11:05:17 am

Title: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Manas on March 01, 2015, 11:05:17 am
Two newbies joined yesterday, one of them today. They became a cop in 2 minutes and then started going all over the server suspecting people for "flaming and rash driving" and then shooting them to death. The Community must not allow them guns [atleast] if they become a cop. There must be a system to regulate it . I lost around 5k guns, but leaving that aside, NEWBIES must not be allowed to get free guns. This is going on from the past few days.
Prevention of DM is better than cure.
After 2-3 reports went against them, an admin came and started to lecture him, but by seeing admin, they just /qed.
Wow! Welcome to Argonath RPG= Role Playing Game

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Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Spike. on March 01, 2015, 11:10:02 am
I have to admit that you are right, I myself got DMed by newbies on cop duty multiple times, even when I am just standing in front of the FBI HQ.
They should only get a silence pistol or such until they get a passport.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Marcel on March 01, 2015, 11:12:09 am
Two newbies joined yesterday, one of them today. They became a cop in 2 minutes and then started going all over the server suspecting people for "flaming and rash driving" and then shooting them to death. The Community must not allow them guns [atleast] if they become a cop. There must be a system to regulate it . I lost around 5k guns, but leaving that aside, NEWBIES must not be allowed to get free guns. This is going on from the past few days.
Prevention of DM is better than cure.
After 2-3 reports went against them, an admin came and started to lecture him, but by seeing admin, they just /qed.
Wow! Welcome to Argonath RPG= Role Playing Game
We do not need more rules or restrictions. Instead of writing this topic, you could have stepped up and helped the new players.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Manas on March 01, 2015, 11:20:43 am
We do not need more rules or restrictions. Instead of writing this topic, you could have stepped up and helped the new players.

Prevention is better than cure. There has to be rules made.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Tiny on March 01, 2015, 11:26:54 am
The fact that some people are saying 'do not moan, help them' is more annoying than those people.

How the hell do you help someone  who has no life and comes in the server, banevades and starts ruining the fun of others? You do not need new restrictions for those people, eh? The players have to face that bullcrap daily, it has to stop.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Manas on March 01, 2015, 11:39:06 am
Being sarcastic, what if we tell admin "stop moaning and banning us, you can use that time to teach us instead of giving review dates.

True Story.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: tom-de-boer on March 01, 2015, 12:06:24 pm
Manas maybe like allow them on cop duty after they got their passport, afterall they are illegal without one ;)
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: AK47 on March 01, 2015, 12:11:05 pm
this is a serious issue on the server
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Rei on March 01, 2015, 12:12:11 pm
Are you talking about these two boys here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugCN1XvBE0I&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: youoo on March 01, 2015, 12:29:46 pm
Totally agree with you.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Khm on March 01, 2015, 12:32:30 pm
Why I never get deathmatched by the new players? It's pretty simple, if you don't know how to act with a "non-lifer" player or a new player of course you will see the worst things he can do to you but if you know how to treat him and act like him, he will do nothing to you, we don't need more rules..
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Manas on March 01, 2015, 12:42:04 pm
Are you talking about these two boys here :

Exactly. But this problem is wide spread. I once got abused by them one after the another within ten minutes. 3 abuses by them in 30 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a63HoWjcVuU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-ZAc9B5C7Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SSYdAF2rP4
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Manas on March 01, 2015, 12:43:53 pm
Why I never get deathmatched by the new players? It's pretty simple, if you don't know how to act with a "non-lifer" player or a new player of course you will see the worst things he can do to you but if you know how to treat him and act like him, he will do nothing to you, we don't need more rules..

See the videos i posted before jumping to conclusions? Your words are like "Why i never got attacked by cancer? Cancer can be treated if we be behave with it"
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Tiny on March 01, 2015, 12:45:11 pm
Why I never get deathmatched by the new players? It's pretty simple, if you don't know how to act with a "non-lifer" player or a new player of course you will see the worst things he can do to you but if you know how to treat him and act like him, he will do nothing to you, we don't need more rules..

So you have a way to deal with someone with hacks without admin rights? Tell me more please...

Are you talking about these two boys here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugCN1XvBE0I&feature=youtu.be

You just recorded yourself copbaiting.  :uhm:
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Lustigkurre on March 01, 2015, 12:48:22 pm
Sometimes I use to stand at LS International giving out free deagle to new players.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Sawyer on March 01, 2015, 12:53:27 pm
HEADSHOT
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: RizzE. on March 01, 2015, 12:56:48 pm
Sometimes I use to stand at LS International giving out free deagle to new players.
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Sharing is caring.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Bruce. on March 01, 2015, 12:57:48 pm
I'm so gonna support this with a example.

2 Days ago we were doing a organized patrol at LSPD and we all got equiped with full armour and some SMG. There were no newbies there. We finished the patrol and after that I logged off. Yesterday, when I entered in game I had the full armour and all the weapons from the patrol that we made. Suddenly I get shot twice with a deagle from a new player who was in police duty.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Manas on March 01, 2015, 01:03:01 pm
#ikhmkolta . This video will be break all your theories and claims that we must interact with them and teach them so that they dont DM.

if you know how to treat him and act like him, he will do nothing to you, we don't need more rules..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-ZAc9B5C7Q

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :balance: :balance:
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Axison on March 01, 2015, 01:04:45 pm
The statement of "stop moaning and help them" is pure bullshit. Can't you just agree on the fact that most new players are either ban evaders or people who came from a DM server? FFS you can't help them, you just can't.  1 out of 10 people will agree on being taught the rest will just waste your time and then get back on their DM shit. We need serious restriction on weapon possession for new players and that could be anything.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Denis_Koja on March 01, 2015, 01:16:12 pm
Supported

Today while I was on duty I arrested stivi luciano when a newbie jumped off from nowhere and killed Stivi while he was /gu and cuffed.
I mean this should be stopped!
How?
Newbies officers must use silent pistol until they get their passport.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Khm on March 01, 2015, 01:17:55 pm
See the videos i posted before jumping to conclusions? Your words are like "Why i never got attacked by cancer? Cancer can be treated if we be behave with it"
The first video is nothing wrong with it, I would do the same if i get shot as these are the procedures.
The second video is also your fault, what if the player doesn't speak english? You just kept writting "no dm no dm no dm"
yet you were able to get into a car as a passenger and explain him that this is not a deathmatching server and you should bare in mind that not everyone know what does "dm" even mean..
The third video is yet again your fault; you're like totally annoying him with that "how did i hit you without having weapons oh well you can hit anyone with your hands as i don't even trust the video since it wasn't started since the beginning of the scene you just kept spamming no-sense again without explaining him what he should do and what the rules are.
Your words are like "Why i never got attacked by cancer? Cancer can be treated if we be behave with it"
That's not how you read it, cancer can be avoided if you follow certain ways. How can you avoid cancer if you're a big smoker and blame cancer for taking lives of a lot of humans?
#ikhmkolta . This video will be break all your theories and claims that we must interact with them and teach them so that they dont DM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-ZAc9B5C7Q

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :balance: :balance:
The way you're talking is like you're attacking me or having a street argument here, but you are not. It's clear that you weren't interacting with the player, the only thing you kept writing is "no dm" and "no".
The statement of "stop moaning and help them" is pure bullshit. Can't you just agree on the fact that most new players are either ban evaders or people who came from a DM server? FFS you can't help them, you just can't.  1 out of 10 people will agree on being taught the rest will just waste your time and then get back on their DM shit. We need serious restriction on weapon possession for new players and that could be anything.
Alright, why Link9rly and the others went well on the server by getting treated good and friendly by the Vendito family?
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Manas on March 01, 2015, 01:23:52 pm
The first video is nothing wrong with it, I would do the same if i get shot as these are the procedures.
The second video is also your fault, what if the player doesn't speak english? You just kept writting "no dm no dm no dm"
DM is a word known by 99.9% of SAMP players, i said no dm continuously because he was hitting me, i didnt have time to write.

Thank you next time guys we all will,
/me opens his mouth
/me uses his tongue
/l Deathmatching isn't allowed
/me runs for a car to sit and tell

 :app: :app: :app:
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Khm on March 01, 2015, 01:37:06 pm
DM is a word known by 99.9% of SAMP players, i said no dm continuously because he was hitting me, i didnt have time to write.

Thank you next time guys we all will,
/me opens his mouth
/me uses his tongue
/l Deathmatching isn't allowed
/me runs for a car to sit and tell

 :app: :app: :app:
Yet again, you're proving your attitude by thinking this is a street argument but that's not the case for me.
Personally, when i firstly joined the server, I've been warned and banished many times for "dming" without knowing what does it mean, till I attempted to kill CBFasi whom explained to me everything and told me what DM is. (2012 fellas) And since that day I started to avoid killing people.
It's pretty clear you had enough time to write and explain him everything, judging on how fast you type and how much you had to stand and waited him to come over you.
Once again, it's all played psychologically as you should keep in mind that you're not playing with someone who's a normal kid, you're playing with a kid who was dropped by his parents to avoid his deeds and get rid of his stupidity. That's something you should learn before becoming an administartor too.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: JackWhite on March 01, 2015, 01:48:39 pm
Are you talking about these two boys here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugCN1XvBE0I&feature=youtu.be
What do you expect them to do when you act like a retard, copbaiting, ramming and drive in circles. And then keep on going stabing them with a knife. /gu If you don't wanna die. And when you get in the car and die, you post a video about it? In this case, you are the one that should be punished  :lol:
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Manas on March 01, 2015, 01:49:32 pm
The first video is nothing wrong with it, I would do the same if i get shot as these are the procedures.
The second video is also your fault, what if the player doesn't speak english?  :gand: 
people without knowing English passing English tests? Maybe there is a russian format of test huh?

Personally, when i firstly joined the server, I've been warned and banished many times for "dming" without knowing what does it mean, till I attempted to kill CBFasi whom explained to me everything and told me what DM is.

Sauron!  :janek: Please confer upon me your freezing powers so that i can freeze the deathmatching COPS and teach them some rules of playing or please give me refunds so that there is no loss on my side. :dead:
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: beLTa on March 01, 2015, 02:05:40 pm
No, you're not right!

Anytime when you get DM'ed by new player, you should PM him. If he don't respond, Drop a spam of messages in private, He must listen to it. Next time, He'll not dm you.

As far as I know, that's not possible for some players not to get equiped and other gets.

TEACH THEM WHEN YOU FIND NEW PLAYER, BREAKING RULES.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Khm on March 01, 2015, 02:10:01 pm
people without knowing English passing English tests? Maybe there is a russian format of test huh?
The SAPD exam is easier than writing your own name on the SA:MP box client
Sauron!  :janek: Please confer upon me your freezing powers so that i can freeze the deathmatching COPS and teach them some rules of playing or please give me refunds so that there is no loss on my side. :dead:
Again, you're proving that you're only here to "win" an argument. If you're acting like a retard to a cop don't expect to get treated like the nurse treat you in hospital. You're always worried about what you are going to loose if he kills you..  :lol:
Why not find the reason of them acting like that instead of making their gameplay more complicated than how people are treating them. You're hilarious.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Mariio on March 01, 2015, 02:11:48 pm
i been getting killed or attacked alot od times in the last day by newbies, not necesarry cops, sometimes admins are busy to deal with they because alot of reports to handle.
i guess newbies dont being allowed to buy guns till they have passport will be a good idea
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Manas on March 01, 2015, 02:15:46 pm
Lets teach hackers also then? What do you say? It will be a nice job. You teach IG Hackers and i will teach DDoSSers?
Deal? We both will PM then, "Sir this is not a hacking server, please remove your hacks. Sir this is not a DDoSSing server you will get banned if you DDoSS . Please Please dont do this"
 :hah:

I understand your point but thats not a practical solution. We dont want people to come and DM us and then we will teach them in pm. We need a regulation so that after obtaining passport, one may become a cop. As far as passport is concerned, it guarantees that the pearson has a basic idea of working of the server.

The SAPD exam is easier than writing your own name on the SA:MP box

Upgrade it then. Dont be a hindrance to the betterment of server.

Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Khm on March 01, 2015, 02:18:51 pm
Lets teach hackers also then? What do you say? It will be a nice job. You teach IG Hackers and i will teach DDoSSers?
Deal? We both will PM then, "Sir this is not a hacking server, please remove your hacks. Sir this is not a DDoSSing server you will get banned if you DDoSS . Please Please dont do this"
 :hah:
I made a car-rain hacker /q the server without any help of any admin.  :rofl: Still that's not the point.
Upgrade it then. Dont be a hindrance to the betterment of server.
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I am with you in that, the SAPD exam should be much harder to prevent any abuse of cops either new players or no.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Manas on March 01, 2015, 02:25:23 pm
I made a car-rain hacker /q the server without any help of any admin.  :rofl: Still that's not the point.
Upgrade it then. Dont be a hindrance to the betterment of server.

I am with you in that, the SAPD exam should be much harder to prevent any abuse of cops either new players or no.

Passport exam is good enough
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Khm on March 01, 2015, 02:31:50 pm
Passport exam is good enough
Not really, passport exams aren't that helpful to prevent people into deathmatching, I'd suggest instead of that passing the new players to ACA members or making a script that gives a guidance after registering.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Tiny on March 01, 2015, 02:35:44 pm
No, you're not right!

Anytime when you get DM'ed by new player, you should PM him. If he don't respond, Drop a spam of messages in private, He must listen to it. Next time, He'll not dm you.

As far as I know, that's not possible for some players not to get equiped and other gets.

TEACH THEM WHEN YOU FIND NEW PLAYER, BREAKING RULES.

What are you even talking about, dude. There are people who are there to DM you, not anyone has good intentions, nor looking for help. Telling someone not to DM is easy, actually changing his is the difficult part.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Thom on March 01, 2015, 02:43:21 pm
With ARPD we knew with what kind of cops, we were probably going to waste our time and with who we were going to have actually some good RP.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Sawyer on March 01, 2015, 02:46:01 pm
The statement of "stop moaning and help them" is pure bullshit. Can't you just agree on the fact that most new players are either ban evaders or people who came from a DM server? FFS you can't help them, you just can't.  1 out of 10 people will agree on being taught the rest will just waste your time and then get back on their DM shit. We need serious restriction on weapon possession for new players and that could be anything.
Nice vision, punk. I would ban you right away if it was in my hands.

EVERYONE should have opportunity to use weapons whatsoever. Newbies will get to know that this is RPG and not DM sooner or later. If you are not here to help the new players gtfo I guess.

ArgonathRPG welcome its new players as long its veterans. You people pretend to be Argonath lovers but yet you do not support its future(newcomers).

You are all in my hit list  :pissed:
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Tiny on March 01, 2015, 02:51:37 pm
You people pretend to be Argonath lovers but yet you do not support its future(newcomers).

You are all in my hit list  :pissed:

Argonath's future won't be ruined by removing the ability of newbies to DM.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Sawyer on March 01, 2015, 02:53:57 pm
Argonath's future won't be ruined by removing the ability of newbies to DM.
Would you like to have limitations as a newbie? I bet you wouldn't.

Disallowing newbies' gun possesion might affect newcomers that usually just plan to go along with server rules.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Tiny on March 01, 2015, 02:55:55 pm
I would not mind at all, it's a way to keep the server safe.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: beLTa on March 01, 2015, 03:05:29 pm
What are you even talking about, dude. There are people who are there to DM you, not anyone has good intentions, nor looking for help. Telling someone not to DM is easy, actually changing his is the difficult part.

If they keep breaking rules, use /report. But, not the first time they start DMing you.

Everytime newbie try to DM me, I never used to report them. I always teach them and they always listen to it. If you'll show them attitude, they'll show you more than yours. So, Be friendly to them and then see the results.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Tiny on March 01, 2015, 03:09:11 pm
Everytime newbie try to DM me, I never used to report them. I always teach them and they always listen to it.

Do you even believe your own words? :uhm:
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Sawyer on March 01, 2015, 03:09:21 pm
If they keep breaking rules, use /report. But, not the first time they start DMing you.

Everytime newbie try to DM me, I never used to report them. I always teach them and they always listen to it. If you'll show them attitude, they'll show you more than yours. So, Be friendly to them and then see the results.
I won't even bother answering to this but just to let you know that answering few questions through public chat does not make you a helper dude. Attention seeker.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: beLTa on March 01, 2015, 03:11:54 pm
I won't even bother answering to this but just to let you know that answering few questions through public chat does not make you a helper dude. Attention seeker.

I don't think I've ever a helped player through main chat. Have you seen me doing this? Dude, First of all. I always help them while staying with them. Teach them to join duties, teach them to buy whatever..like.

Do you even believe your own words? :uhm:

I do.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Tiny on March 01, 2015, 03:13:13 pm
I don't think I've ever a helped player through main chat. Have you seen me doing this? Dude, First of all. I always help them while staying with them. Teach them to join duties, teach them to buy whatever..like.

Good luck with your moderator application  :lol:
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: beLTa on March 01, 2015, 03:14:44 pm
Good luck with your moderator application  :lol:

Knew that. That's why I usually keep myself away from this kind of talks.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Tiny on March 01, 2015, 03:18:30 pm
Knew that. That's why I usually keep myself away from this kind of talks.

We're going off-topic, but people who actually help do not try to tell tell everyone how they did and how much they helped.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Thom on March 01, 2015, 03:18:48 pm
Indeed, i was thinking the situation with new player DMers was out of our hands. But today, i helped a new player, that had no idea of RPG and was hitting randomly everyone and ramming. In 30 mins, he was like a regular player.

Don't blame the new players and say: it can't be helped they will always DM, blame your boredom that hasn't even once motivated you to help a new player, and then see how they will obey the rules. Like when you first joined Argonath, you were the most loyal to the rules player.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Sawyer on March 01, 2015, 03:20:38 pm
Indeed, i was thinking the situation with new player DMers was out of our hands. But today, i helped a new player, that had no idea of RPG and was hitting randomly everyone and ramming. In 30 mins, he was like a regular player.

Don't blame the new players and say: it can't be helped they will always DM, blame your boredom that hasn't even once motivated you to help a new player, and then see how they will obey the rules. Like when you first joined Argonath, you were the most loyal to the rules player.
Respect ++
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Ivan_Dzeba on March 01, 2015, 03:25:19 pm
I am a ''non-lifer'', and yet I can still act normal and not ruin the fun of others.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Manas on March 01, 2015, 03:39:29 pm
Im not against player hitting others, im against the fact that such players get a chance to hold a deagle, a nightstick, a spraycan with much ammo before learning of the basic rules.
A tougher SAPD exam or Passport necessity will solve this, atleast 50% of the problem. The remaining civilian DMers which constitute remaining half can be dealt with.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Demir. on March 01, 2015, 03:40:37 pm
in 15 minutes, i got killed like 12 times today, and what, all by the same newbies or players, i was at amunation while buying weapons, he asked me if i could give him some, but first i checked his /whenmade, and when i saw that he's new, i didnt gave him a thing, he started to carkill me, then he went to the amunation, managed somehow to buy weapons, and he was constantly killing me, i think this needs to stop.
I support the idea that the player who is older than 7+ days, he can buy weapons
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Khm on March 01, 2015, 03:42:11 pm
Indeed, i was thinking the situation with new player DMers was out of our hands. But today, i helped a new player, that had no idea of RPG and was hitting randomly everyone and ramming. In 30 mins, he was like a regular player.

Don't blame the new players and say: it can't be helped they will always DM, blame your boredom that hasn't even once motivated you to help a new player, and then see how they will obey the rules. Like when you first joined Argonath, you were the most loyal to the rules player.
Graduated, my man.  :app:
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Tiny on March 01, 2015, 04:16:44 pm
Indeed, i was thinking the situation with new player DMers was out of our hands. But today, i helped a new player, that had no idea of RPG and was hitting randomly everyone and ramming. In 30 mins, he was like a regular player.

Don't blame the new players and say: it can't be helped they will always DM, blame your boredom that hasn't even once motivated you to help a new player, and then see how they will obey the rules. Like when you first joined Argonath, you were the most loyal to the rules player.

You are just throwing random and general accusations. Nobody said that people were bored to teach new players, and who did even tell you that they didn't try to?

When I joined Argonath I had no idea how to talk even, and it's a player who showed me the basics. If I wasn't given the freedom to use weapons, I wouldn't have all those punishments and bans back then. Think about it.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Dylan on March 01, 2015, 04:22:16 pm
You can only teach new players who are here to play and not to cause shit.
But most of the new players who join the server are directly heading to an ammunation to buy weapons (they know the commands aswell) and start deathmatching - most of them are ban evaders.
I agree that new players can get guns too easy, and them I'm talking about SAPD duty, receiving weapons from regular players or being able to buy weapons.
Therefor, I'd suggest to block their possibilities to go on SAPD duty, receiving weapons or being able to buy weapons for a certain of time or until they receive their passport.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: beLTa on March 01, 2015, 04:26:17 pm
We're going off-topic, but people who actually help do not try to tell tell everyone how they did and how much they helped.

I just answered the question.

Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Huntsman on March 01, 2015, 04:46:12 pm
We do not need more rules or restrictions. Instead of writing this topic, you could have stepped up and helped the new players.

Umm.. Aren't you not part of the community anymore, Marcel?

Anyhow, I agree to the OP. Stop hiding behind the outdated shitty vision. Stop throwing it in our faces when it's convenient for you and voiding it when it's not. Strict policy towards this needs to be enforced.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Brian on March 01, 2015, 04:51:25 pm
Umm.. Aren't you not part of the community anymore, Marcel?

Anyhow, I agree to the OP. Stop hiding behind the outdated shitty vision. Stop throwing it in our faces when it's convenient for you and voiding it when it's not. Strict policy towards this needs to be enforced.
He's on the forums so no, he's still part of it.
And no, no one hides behind the vision, it's  just that things have not changed a lot because it used to work.
I agree that things need to change, even though I love that fact that new players and old players are the 'same' in the eyes of Argonath. I still think there should be set several restrictions to make sure the player experience of the actual players that are here to roleplay, is not ruined by some people that just come and troll. I think quite some of us also started out with cop duty, being a bit rough, or being an armed mafia and shooting at people. That does not mean it should not be that way, but it means there should be restrictions towards it, so the new players keep the Argonath experience, but are not so 'overpowered'.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Marcel on March 01, 2015, 05:19:25 pm
Umm.. Aren't you not part of the community anymore, Marcel?

I'm here, i'm alive and i'm posting. Me being banned from the server will not prevent me from contributing to it, nor will it prevent me from having an opinion. Every manager+ will see that i'm actually not that much of a rulebreaker. In the end contributing to the community is what i'm here for.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Teddy on March 01, 2015, 05:22:10 pm
Umm.. Aren't you not part of the community anymore, Marcel?

He's banned from only one server, how does that make him not a part of the community? The community is more than any single server.

Anyhow on topic, I feel like this only carters to a specific type of new player... the ban evader coming on for some evening fun... I don't see punishing legitimate new players as a suitable option to be honest. Is this not correct?
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Sawyer on March 01, 2015, 05:51:26 pm
We all should be equal. 'Nuff said.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Manas on March 01, 2015, 05:58:02 pm
Happens with most of newbies, there must be restrictions till he gets a passport like-
You cannot buy a weapon without a passport
You cannot join SAPD without a passport

However he can still receive guns from a player. That happens in a case where the newbie is friend of player or he is a community member who joined RS5 and knows how to interact with players to buy guns.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on March 01, 2015, 06:12:37 pm
obvious trolls and dmers should not define what happens for all new players.

Need for more admins and that is all.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Jeremy. on March 01, 2015, 06:41:59 pm
Eveyone has his point of view and is free to express themselves in a civilized manner.

Some of you should realize that saying the same thing again and again it's getting boring as hell to read, honestly. Blaming others for not willing to help the new players is a silly excuse, neither yourself do it.

I agree with the idea of being able to purchase a weapon after you receive your passport as the newcomers would be experienced enough and known with the server rules. Anyway, why a new player should need a gun? Let's not forget you don't need a weapon to roleplay or interact with others.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Brian on March 01, 2015, 06:47:52 pm
obvious trolls and dmers should not define what happens for all new players.

Need for more admins and that is all.
It's not the issue of not enough admins, it's that it's hard to stop them before the act is done.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Rei on March 01, 2015, 06:53:56 pm
What do you expect them to do when you act like a retard, copbaiting, ramming and drive in circles. And then keep on going stabing them with a knife. /gu If you don't wanna die. And when you get in the car and die, you post a video about it? In this case, you are the one that should be punished  :lol:

Read the damn PM's in the begining of the video smart boi.
and secondly , you clearly don't know the SAPD rules.
I simply took a knife and tried to record them "Suspecting" without a warn etc.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on March 01, 2015, 07:47:01 pm
Read the damn PM's in the begining of the video smart boi.
and secondly , you clearly don't know the SAPD rules.
I simply took a knife and tried to record them "Suspecting" without a warn etc.

You would have got the same treatment from me.
You pull out a knife in public and expect cops to act like kindergarten teachers?
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Thom on March 01, 2015, 09:26:36 pm
My opinion is to see what are the basic needs of the new players, and lower their income when joining($10k currently). Let's see, a new player will need basics like: GPS,CB,Phone(if i forgot something tell it) And a $1000-$2000 extra money, for other needs(gas etc.) So, if a new player would join, he would have less than 5k, that means he can't constatly buy weapons and such things. Then, he would have no money, and when he would ask for help, he would find out a job. By doing a job, he will understand some things, and then when he has made money of his own and have understand how RP and our server works, he will use his money more wisely in better choices. If new players want weapons we can't remove that right from them, but they have to work for it, and by doing that they will eventually realise this server is not DM :D What do you think of my opinion? :D
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: JackWhite on March 01, 2015, 09:28:01 pm
Read the damn PM's in the begining of the video smart boi.
and secondly , you clearly don't know the SAPD rules.
I simply took a knife and tried to record them "Suspecting" without a warn etc.
Tbh I dont give a shit about the PMs in the start. Its not your job to force someone to break a rule, when you are clearly doing it yourself. I clearly know the SAPD rules, most likely more than you will ever know them. And you kept on ramming them, I wouldn't give you a warning either when you act like a fucking retard
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Huntsman on March 01, 2015, 09:31:11 pm
Read the damn PM's in the begining of the video smart boi.
and secondly , you clearly don't know the SAPD rules.
I simply took a knife and tried to record them "Suspecting" without a warn etc.

They don't have to warn you if they don't feel like. You already ARE breaking the law by brandishing a weapon. It's up to them whether to suspect or to warn you first.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Tiny on March 01, 2015, 09:45:37 pm
I just answered the question.

I didn't even ask anything.

You can only teach new players who are here to play and not to cause shit.
But most of the new players who join the server are directly heading to an ammunation to buy weapons (they know the commands aswell) and start deathmatching - most of them are ban evaders.
I agree that new players can get guns too easy, and them I'm talking about SAPD duty, receiving weapons from regular players or being able to buy weapons.
Therefor, I'd suggest to block their possibilities to go on SAPD duty, receiving weapons or being able to buy weapons for a certain of time or until they receive their passport.

This.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Luke on March 01, 2015, 10:09:16 pm
No matter how hard you try there is always a way around this and there will be always new players that enter the server in a bid to DM or disrupt the ropleplay of others.

Point is, you cannot take the freedom of a new player who wants to be a cop. 9/10 people join and instantly want to be a cop. Good. This is when the issues do arise now. To prevent a new player joining and instantly suspecting and killing people is always what everyone says. Communication. Approach the person via PM or up front. If they speak english they will understand introduce them to the rules and regulations to SAPD. Also fill them in on what is good and what is bad within the SAPD.

In the long run the more and more you help the new players, the more and more your chances of becoming a Moderator are greater.
You cannot expect someone to join a fresh new server to them and then them to know how to play the game, they need teaching.

I am not a great one to take advise from considering my current state. But trust me, help others and you will be helped yourself in the near future.
Those who do this will always be the ones who are considered as dedicated candidates for the Moderator position.

In terms of the videos we have been shown they all have just considered of "no dm no dm" this is not english, this is short for DM many people may not know what that is nor, how to not do it. Also recording and provoking them in a attempt to get them punished is not fun and is just upsetting. New players are the new generation of Argonath, you teach them how to play and I guarantee you 9/10 they will stay.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Thom on March 01, 2015, 11:18:56 pm
People won't be obeying the rules, with magic, just by disabling the ability of having weapons in their early start. The most people that complain about it, are the ones that haven't tried to really sit down, and help a new player.Just deal with it, Players won't be magically turned into loyal players after 7 days(or whatever) of not having weapons. They need some help, or it's hard for them to adjust by their selves alone. When you get abused, instead of complaining, you should just take that guy and help him understand how RP and our server works. We wish, the problem was so simple and the solution was really disabling, in their starting days, weapons, but if that was the case it would have been considered seriously and would have been added.

I don't disagree, enterily with this. SAPD is really messed up with ARPD mixed up with them and players when they join, 10k$ is more than enough for them to buy any kinds of weapons they want without working at all.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Hevar. on March 02, 2015, 12:53:55 am
Are you talking about these two boys here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugCN1XvBE0I&feature=youtu.be

Wow! haha
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Manas on March 02, 2015, 05:09:00 am
No matter how hard you try there is always a way around this and there will be always new players that enter the server in a bid to DM or disrupt the ropleplay of others.

I am not a great one to take advise from considering my current state. But trust me, help others and you will be helped yourself in the near future.
Those who do this will always be the ones who are considered as dedicated candidates for the Moderator position.
I guarantee you 9/10 they will stay.

You mean we should not even try considering how hard it is? Then we must also stop shift servers to new countries in a bid to prevent DDoSS attacks, which still happen after that.

Whats the logic behind,,, ""Help others and you will be helped?" Is there any guarantee or a scheme? Its a moral point and cant be proved

We all aree ready to help, but not players who come for slain DM? Why do newbies Dm? Why do they DDoSS? Why do they hack? For FUN.

"You cannot snatch their freedom of becoming cop"
We dont want to. Let him play for little no of days and he will learn the basics before going to DM others
Your words are like if i wanna get a license , "You cannot snatch the freedom of getting license". But the truth is there  is a test which i must be eligible for and pass or i will not get the license. Apply the same logic here, there is the need for little experience before you can own a gun.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: beLTa on March 02, 2015, 07:36:43 am
why a new player should need a gun? Let's not forget you don't need a weapon to roleplay or interact with others.

Exactly.

To RP, you don't need weapons.

If possible, remove the money you get after the registration. If they'll have no money, they'll not be able to buy weapons etc.

Now, If they'll do jobs to earn money, they'll definately know about the rules and other regulations.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Manas on March 02, 2015, 07:45:05 am

If possible, remove the money you get after the registration. If they'll have no money, they'll not be able to buy weapons etc.

*Random new player joins*
gets 0 money
asks in /p money
ppl say no money
leaves the server

Yes, they join SAPD to DM uis and get free guns
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: beLTa on March 02, 2015, 07:49:33 am
Seems the problem is serious.

Removing weapons from SAPD for new players, or can't buy weapons from ammu will do the same.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Luca Man on March 02, 2015, 08:03:12 am
Probably the problem also lays into the fact that some newbies do not understand English. How about we start a group which teaches English to newbies?
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Kessu on March 02, 2015, 08:23:48 am
*Random new player joins*
gets 0 money
asks in /p money
ppl say no money
leaves the server

Funnily enough, this isn't a problem in VC:MP. We've never had "welcome" money and the server's running just fine ;)
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: danne132 on March 02, 2015, 09:20:08 am
This rule will affect new players that in fact come to the server to role play, which just sucks since none of us had to play under this rule back in the days
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: AK47 on March 02, 2015, 09:23:42 am
should be much better if you had to apply for a license to own a gun, and that you should have a very good reason to get one
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Sawyer on March 02, 2015, 09:35:22 am
should be much better if you had to apply for a license to own a gun, and that you should have a very good reason to get one
Nah-nah-nah... I guess Dylan is right tho. No gun possesion until you recieve passport.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Khm on March 02, 2015, 09:59:29 am
Why do newbies Dm? Why do they DDoSS? Why do they hack? For FUN.
Ddosing is no fun if you don't know who you're going to attack, same for hacking..  So those "ddosers" are just old players who are hating the community or have an issue with someone.
Everyone joins to dm, of course. The only thing I see when a new player asks how to get weapons he gets "/buyweapon in ammunation". Wondering why no one tells them to not use the weapons for dm causes other than role-playing and you keep yelling that they're only here to DM..
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Thom on March 02, 2015, 01:40:43 pm
It's too extreme, for new players not to have welcoming money. But, you guys are so bored to read long messages that haven't seen mine solutions. You ask questions I already have answered and you just can't find a conclusion, but fighting off each other.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Manas on March 02, 2015, 02:49:37 pm
Funnily enough, this isn't a problem in VC:MP. We've never had "welcome" money and the server's running just fine ;)

I joined argonath from VCMP. As far as i have observed, the player count has gone down much.

Nah-nah-nah... I guess Dylan is right tho. No gun possesion until you recieve passport.
The best way

Ddosing is no fun if you don't know who you're going to attack, same for hacking..  So those "ddosers" are just old players who are hating the community or have an issue with someone.

I have seen people who come into the server for first time, use hacks get banned and then DDoSS it.
Old players constitute the carbon di oxide part in air of the attacks
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Thom on March 02, 2015, 03:00:06 pm
How do you even know if they are new players or not?
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Rei on March 02, 2015, 03:19:41 pm
You would have got the same treatment from me.
You pull out a knife in public and expect cops to act like kindergarten teachers?

That's why you get copbanned every two days :D
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Rei on March 02, 2015, 03:20:55 pm
They don't have to warn you if they don't feel like. You already ARE breaking the law by brandishing a weapon. It's up to them whether to suspect or to warn you first.

I BRANDISHET THE WEAPON AFTER I GOT SUSPECTED -_-

And secondly my objective was to get shooted by him since i was recording a video of him "Rapidfiring" which he didn't had it.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Mariio on March 02, 2015, 05:27:09 pm
If possible, remove the money you get after the registration. If they'll have no money, they'll not be able to buy weapons etc.
they need money for skin, phone, cb etc
it will be good if you are only allowed to buy weapons after you have passport
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: beLTa on March 02, 2015, 05:35:27 pm
Funnily enough, this isn't a problem in VC:MP. We've never had "welcome" money and the server's running just fine ;)

They're good.  :lol:
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Spike. on March 02, 2015, 05:53:40 pm
should be much better if you had to apply for a license to own a gun, and that you should have a very good reason to get one

Not a bad idea, maybe you should apply for it at the ARPD Forum.
Once you have training and meet all the requirements.
And people who have passport can get weapons illegally through weapon deals.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Gandalf on March 02, 2015, 07:00:55 pm
Seems our RPér turned in  to people who can not handle a gun when there is no admin to babysit.

If any player is there to disrupt the game play by DMing you have full permission to serve him with a load of bullets until he quits in shame. Just once they are gone lose your wanted level before continuing.

DMers will always be a problem, and it does not change by limiting those who are there to have fun by RP.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: psyron on March 02, 2015, 07:21:52 pm
Seems our RPér turned in  to people who can not handle a gun when there is no admin to babysit.

If any player is there to disrupt the game play by DMing you have full permission to serve him with a load of bullets until he quits in shame. Just once they are gone lose your wanted level before continuing.

DMers will always be a problem, and it does not change by limiting those who are there to have fun by RP.

ok then..
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Manoni on March 02, 2015, 07:26:14 pm
Seems our RPér turned in  to people who can not handle a gun when there is no admin to babysit.

If any player is there to disrupt the game play by DMing you have full permission to serve him with a load of bullets until he quits in shame. Just once they are gone lose your wanted level before continuing.

DMers will always be a problem, and it does not change by limiting those who are there to have fun by RP.

The carnage will be enjoyable for alot of people, I can already see it. :sweat:
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Thom on March 02, 2015, 07:50:17 pm
Seems our RPér turned in  to people who can not handle a gun when there is no admin to babysit.

If any player is there to disrupt the game play by DMing you have full permission to serve him with a load of bullets until he quits in shame. Just once they are gone lose your wanted level before continuing.

DMers will always be a problem, and it does not change by limiting those who are there to have fun by RP.

It's really not like that. People who get to spend sometime with the community, then they learn how to RP and such. The problem is the bunch of new players that have no idea what RPG is and they join the server. Indeed, DMers will exist always, but there are always, ways of reducing them, that's why if you remember, at least a little i have created that group we were talking about.

Edited: Afterall, they don't know if they are doing something wrong by DMing to be ashamed of something, they just need some guidance.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: SugarD on March 02, 2015, 08:12:00 pm
Seems our RPér turned in  to people who can not handle a gun when there is no admin to babysit.

If any player is there to disrupt the game play by DMing you have full permission to serve him with a load of bullets until he quits in shame. Just once they are gone lose your wanted level before continuing.

DMers will always be a problem, and it does not change by limiting those who are there to have fun by RP.
Sounds like you just gave permission to initiate Operation: Jericho!
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Dillon on March 02, 2015, 08:47:21 pm
Dam that's an old operation aye
Sounds like you just gave permission to initiate Operation: Jericho!
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=14265.msg173121#msg173121
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: SugarD on March 02, 2015, 08:56:51 pm
Dam that's an old operation ayehttp://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=14265.msg173121#msg173121
Indeed. It has been used on a couple occasions in SA:MP during times where admins weren't available and hackers were going crazy, but it seems our President has just made that action official! :D
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Miller786 on March 03, 2015, 08:53:53 pm
yay, anarchy ftw
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Ivan_Dzeba on March 03, 2015, 09:10:09 pm
Indeed. It has been used on a couple occasions in SA:MP during times where admins weren't available and hackers were going crazy, but it seems our President has just made that action official! :D

You are right SugarD, I agree with Gandalf if they get really, really, really annoying, we should serve them with a load of bullets. I like helping new players, and I want to try to make people understand not to rulebreak. Gandalf's word is the final, he is The Great Leader of Argonath. Anyone who goes against him needs to be punished.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Tiny on March 03, 2015, 09:37:07 pm
There are people on YouTube who go on servers for 'DM sessions'. I found myself in a video some days ago as well. :P

I don't agree with DMing back as Gandalf said, because just imagine how our reputation will drop in the eyes of other players when they see everyone ready to DM back anytime. If players completely ignore them and admins just do their best to get them away from the server, they will soon get bored and leave.

Don't give them what they want, which is attention. They want to get you angry and laugh over you, the more attention you give, the more fun they have.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: SugarD on March 03, 2015, 10:42:13 pm
You are right SugarD, I agree with Gandalf if they get really, really, really annoying, we should serve them with a load of bullets. I like helping new players, and I want to try to make people understand not to rulebreak. Gandalf's word is the final, he is The Great Leader of Argonath. Anyone who goes against him needs to be punished.
Keep in mind, he means when all other methods have failed. That includes attempting to help them the best you can. Some players DM because they are used to playing GTA in single-player, and don't know what else to do. For those who don't speak English natively, this is even harder. Always give them a chance to learn before you go wild with killing. ;)
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Thom on March 03, 2015, 11:17:04 pm
Well said, SugarD. New players just need some help and guidance.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Luke on March 04, 2015, 12:47:00 am
Seems our RPér turned in  to people who can not handle a gun when there is no admin to babysit.

If any player is there to disrupt the game play by DMing you have full permission to serve him with a load of bullets until he quits in shame. Just once they are gone lose your wanted level before continuing.

DMers will always be a problem, and it does not change by limiting those who are there to have fun by RP.

Does that mean also? Ok ty
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: SugarD on March 04, 2015, 01:12:06 am
Does that mean also? Ok ty
Seems our RPér turned in  to people who can not handle a gun when there is no admin to babysit.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Luke on March 04, 2015, 01:17:10 am
Well im banned so that would be kinda impossible.  :lol:
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Traser on March 04, 2015, 01:56:19 am
From my point of view.. restrict the weapons for newcomers to a Bat and a 9mm, that's it.
No fun when you are ingame and need to spec/babysit and ban Newcomers as the DM within 5 minutes all due to some youtube advertisements.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Crassus on March 04, 2015, 11:23:26 am
should be much better if you had to apply for a license to own a gun, and that you should have a very good reason to get one
This ^
Or, the posibility that you cant buy any weapons before earned, lets say 30000, or less?
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: eymas on March 04, 2015, 11:31:24 am
Or just add a zero to the prices of the weapons  :lol:
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Mang on March 04, 2015, 11:49:36 am
This ^
Or, the posibility that you cant buy any weapons before earned, lets say 30000, or less?

Pretty sure I still wouldn't be able to buy weapons after playing for almost a year now then :P There's lots of people that don't care about the money on Argonath, they still need weapons.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Rami on March 04, 2015, 02:05:16 pm
I suggest a weapon license.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Manoni on March 05, 2015, 01:37:50 am
From my point of view.. restrict the weapons for newcomers to a Bat and a 9mm, that's it.
No fun when you are ingame and need to spec/babysit and ban Newcomers as the DM within 5 minutes all due to some AWESOME youtube advertisements.

Added something to your post.

Or just add a zero to the prices of the weapons  :lol:

Lol so funny.

Should be much better if you had to apply for a license to own a gun, and that you should have a very good reason to get one.
Therefore, I'd suggest to block their possibilities to go on SAPD duty, receiving weapons or being able to buy weapons for a certain of time or until they receive their passport.

These two ideas sound great for me and I support them. On the fact that it should be great that SAPD Officers can not use weapons until they receive their passport, this can also be limited to that they can only use melee weapons so that way, the will still gonna get the police nightstick. But still, new players always come and go straight to Ammu Nation to start deathmatches, therefore I would prefer to suggest that no one that does not have a passport could be able to buy nor obtain weapons, excluding melee as I previously said.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Thom on March 05, 2015, 06:43:02 am
I suggest a weapon license.

I had suggested it, back in RS4, Gandalf got involved and told this is not gonna happen cause, it's not heavy RP server and such.. But they were telling the same about The Police Test and it got added. So weapon license might be good.

I actually, think, the solution should be that extreme.. Like removing the weapons and license.. And you all that complain, I'm starting a project called ARES, if you really want to stop, New Player DMers apply. If you don't wanna help, then quit complaining.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: THOR_Sullivan on March 05, 2015, 08:50:53 pm
I 100000000000% agree with stopping these newbie cops
I got abused more than 10time daily
First i was a mechanic driving saw a car in traffic stop approched and he asked a repair i repaired the car and got su for helping a su and got instantly killed while/gu
Second i was talking to a senior officer in a ts when another officer su me for interfeering in cop buisness
Third i got su for aiding suspect while i was driving near a cop who is in a pursuit to refuel and again got instantly killed while /gu
Forth my family was having a fight with swat in hq so i went to get my car and got su for aiding suspects and instantly killed while /gu (this happened 2times in a row)
And there is a lot of these things happeneing daily
The cops kills instantly for that 100$ without careing these cops should be stopeed or copbanned
I dont have that money to buy everything or to give a payday for 100 player
Each time i die i loose more than 2k
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Thom on March 05, 2015, 09:06:02 pm
You can always /report them either IG or in the ARPD Forum. Take some action on your own.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: THOR_Sullivan on March 05, 2015, 09:13:00 pm
I reported them but admins are too busy to take my reports in somecases cz of the big number of reports but when i see that an admin took my report he tells me "i talked to him and warned him" and thx for doing this but the problem is that he keeps doing it
Plz tell me how to record so i can show u
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Leon. on March 07, 2015, 11:49:47 pm
We do not need more rules or restrictions. Instead of writing this topic, you could have stepped up and helped the new players.
Implying they listen 3/4 of the time
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Thom on March 08, 2015, 09:24:27 am
That means if it's 3/4 of the new players that listen. 15 new players out of 20 new players are being helped. That's not a bad number at all.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Stivi on March 08, 2015, 09:44:03 am
That means if it's 3/4 of the new players that listen. 15 new players out of 20 new players are being helped. That's not a bad number at all.
How did you come up with that assumption ?

What if, when using /buyweapon, new players ( up to three days) need admon permission to continue with the purchase. Before permission to buy weapons is granted, an admin can ask questions on why the player wants to buy weapons and explain this is a RP server.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Manas on March 08, 2015, 10:08:38 am
A moderator's permission must be sufficient
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: jannik852 on March 08, 2015, 10:29:48 am
Yes! - this SHOULD happen, I daily run into new players who robs and DM people!
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Thom on March 08, 2015, 10:49:09 am
That assumption, is not even realistic, if you ask me. It was ironic. You see, if new players were helped. None of this could have happend. So that's why i'm trying to start that ARES, project.. But you guys, are nothing, but complain. Not all of you, some of you actually.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Cyril on March 08, 2015, 10:50:49 am
Yes! - this SHOULD happen, I daily run into new players who robs and DM people!

Same as Regulars.
If we follow your logic, let's stop regulars from having weapons too...
Don't forget that new players reproduce what they see from regular members
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Tiny on March 08, 2015, 10:59:03 am
Same as Regulars.
If we follow your logic, let's stop regulars from having weapons too...
Don't forget that new players reproduce what they see from regular members

Punish regulars then.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Thom on March 08, 2015, 11:06:39 am
Regular Players rulebreak on purpose. New players, might just don't understand the cause of their actions. That's why admins, are using tempban and warnings or kicks in cases that require ban.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Tiny on March 08, 2015, 11:29:08 am
Regular Players rulebreak on purpose. New players, might just don't understand the cause of their actions. That's why admins, are using tempban and warnings or kicks in cases that require ban.

I can guarantee from my personal experience that at least 90% of the people who join for the first time will not be regulars even if you spend 3 hours helping them.

There was a Welcome Team project, where you helped people and posted a report on the topic afterwards, you may go and check there how good my relation has been with some good players, we spent time together, got to know basics about each others and all - they never returned. It's all about the intentions of the player, and not the intentions of the helper.

Edit: Of course I'm not telling you not to help the new players, but don't blame people when they complain about their behaviour - it's as normal as new players not listening when they are taught. I was one of them and I can understand the reason, and unfortunately the only thing that can get them in a line is their intention to adapt and be regulars.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Thom on March 08, 2015, 12:23:48 pm
I have obviously, some personal expirience, too. And i've been through many things since 2012, when i opened ACA. You're right, many of those I help, won't stick for long in Argonath. It's not only ACA anymore. I run a project called ARES. I'm not trying to advertise or something, i will just talk about it. Those who complain, and want to help, might seem usefull to them. When a player, gets rulebreaked by a new player, he will note his name and report to us in the topic with a form, what happend, the new player's name etc. After that, one of us, will try to go personally help that new player not to rulebreak. But, i can't do that, without people, can I? So instead, of complaining, you can join me and decrease rulebreak.

As you see, Tiny, i have worked the most on new players here. I don't doubt that you have your own expirience, but my opinion is not  coming out of nowhere. I have something to base it on. Regular Players, rulebreak 100% on purpose, and i won't spend any of my time on them. They know the consequenses and results of their actions clearly.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Tiny on March 08, 2015, 08:20:24 pm
I respect your intentions and efforts, but I can tell you that no project will change the facts I have stated above. New people come and go every day, a server better gets protection from those people instead of trying to adapt them. If there is a 'project' that can manage to do both things in the same time, let me know and I'll help.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Thom on March 08, 2015, 08:33:40 pm
Or you can help, you and everyone who wants, Making a project which can do both things. That's what i'm talking about.. People just expect things done.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Tiny on March 08, 2015, 08:39:48 pm
Or you can help, you and everyone who wants, Making a project which can do both things. That's what i'm talking about.. People just expect things done.

You can't stop rulebreaking, you can only reduce it, and rules are what will reduce it. New people will always be there to create more rulebreaking, the stricter the rules are, the less rulebreaking will be. Argonath's vision is a beautiful tool to play in freedom, without a damn script stopping you from everything, but people don't use it properly. They will just abuse it to prove how unable they are to control themselves, which leads to rulebreaking a lot. That's with the rulebreaking by regulars in my point of view. Administrators are also there for a reason, using /report and the forum report function is a good way to help and reduce rulebreaking.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Leon. on March 08, 2015, 10:16:21 pm
That means if it's 3/4 of the new players that listen. 15 new players out of 20 new players are being helped. That's not a bad number at all.
You misread. I was saying his post implies that 3/4 of new players listen, which is not the case.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Leon. on March 08, 2015, 10:20:35 pm
Don't forget that new players reproduce what they see from regular members
Speak for yourself.

Not including the large influx of players that come on for the SOLE purpose of deathmatching (especially recently), yes? I can't tell you how many times I've answered "how to buy weapons" with "/buyweapon, please remember this is not a deathmatch server" or some other variation only to see the same player go around shooting everyone for fun, or how many times I've told an active deathmatcher "This is a roleplay server, not a deathmatch server" only to get completely ignored. Quite frankly I'm tired of administration placing blame on the regulars when the individuals themselves are solely responsible for their actions.

Seems our RPér turned in  to people who can not handle a gun when there is no admin to babysit.
You would be very surprised how we've been handling hackers/dmers without admins these days ;)
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Vaeldious on March 13, 2015, 07:24:48 am
Just curious and don't know if this has been addressed already but...

Couldn't it be as simple as requiring citizenship (or a license similar to having a vehicle license) to purchase guns from ammunation?
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Devin on March 13, 2015, 12:27:59 pm
Just curious and don't know if this has been addressed already but...

Couldn't it be as simple as requiring citizenship (or a license similar to having a vehicle license) to purchase guns from ammunation?

In that sense, what would stop the said player from having another player buy weapons for them or them simply going on cop duty?
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: SugarD on March 13, 2015, 01:11:24 pm
I don't know why people can't just help the new players and show them how to play like they used to do years ago. Maybe then the new people wouldn't misunderstand the gamemode and starting shooting everyone...
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Devin on March 13, 2015, 01:24:18 pm
I don't know why people can't just help the new players and show them how to play like they used to do years ago. Maybe then the new people wouldn't misunderstand the gamemode and starting shooting everyone...

You're hired, you may start now!  :cowboy:
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Vaeldious on March 13, 2015, 04:41:04 pm
In that sense, what would stop the said player from having another player buy weapons for them or them simply going on cop duty?

I can understand your logic, and just have others have suggested, helping new players IS crucial. However, you can DRIVE a car without a license. If someone is asking for assistance with weapons, and can be tutored, then of course can be given guns if they are going to attempt to do it correctly. Also going on cop duty only allows for access to a handgun. I know we are having Teddy come in as temp admin and have a wave of moderator applications. This idea was really targeted towards the "new" players that disregard all help and rules, go straight to ammunation with the start cash. Just my honest opinion of a fair compromise between the two points of view of no weapons from start for new players and not wanting to limit too much within the server. Since we cannot effectively ban these 3-4 guys that come on at night JUST to DM, just a consideration. :)
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Thom on March 13, 2015, 05:27:00 pm
Regular Players rulebreak on purpose, knowing the consequences of their actions. On the other hand, we have new players, that there is a 50% possibility, they might not even know what RP means. So, Most of new players don't rulebreak, cause they want to harm the community, but because they don't know the rules. Throwing around a /rules isn't the easy way out. As a newbie, and i believe it's not only me, i never decided to see rules and learn them by heart so i can follow them. I learnt the rules, and most players here, by gaining expirience.

My opinion and the solutions, i'm going to provide are precise, but i just might go a little far to express it. So, summing up, a player can get weapons from the welcoming money pack he receives or by entering officer duty.

I'm going to start with the first. For New Players to gain expirience, they should explore around argonath and probably try some jobs. Giving them, money, up to 10k, is like giving them, weapons in their start.. Think about it.. The welcoming money, is the way, new players can get weapons from their first hour in Argonath. My suggestion is, lowing the ammount of money, in the welcoming pack, down to like 3k. I concluded into that ammount, thinking of a new player's basic needs. That is, CB($500),Phone($500),GPS($500),Skin(200$+),Fuel($50+). We can't totally remove, the welcoming money, cause the new players that are being helped, will need those money, for those basic needs. So as long as, newcomers will be helped, the 3k won't be spended on weapons. To earn money, they will have to work, that means they will gain expirience and understand more of the rules etc. I believe when the time comes they will get a weapon, they will know how to use it.

Now, about SAPD. I seriously, can't understand how, officers that are DMers and abusers, get to pass the SAPD Scripted Exam. I mean, to get the questions right or its by instict, or luck, or on knowledge. But, half of new player cops, don't seem to follow the things that they have answered right. First of all, I think ARPD should exist again, but this time with this scripted exam. While, ARPD Officers existed, we were a little cautious before RPing with them. Knowing they might be abusers, regular players, could face them right, depending on the case. Now then, whoever wants to follow professionally the career of an officer, can apply for SAPD. The second suggestion, is a pop up text IG ,when someone has succeed or even failed the scripted exam. This text, will talk about how officers work, what should they do and what they shouldn't do.

That's what i think, basicly. About ARPD.. If it's not ARPD.. Then a SAPD Cadet rank, should be created. Everyone who passes the scripted exam, will be in that rank, with a lighter blue than the members+.. With a lowered welcoming money pack and with SAPD separated with a simple text, describing how officers should work, i belive the problem will be fixed.

My only worries are based on the text, that i suggested for new officers trying to pass the exam or passing it. You can't know if they will read it entirely. Anyway, that was my suggestions add up below your reviews on that :D



Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Sawyer on March 13, 2015, 05:41:19 pm
Give an end already
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: SugarD on March 13, 2015, 09:03:55 pm
You're hired, you may start now!  :cowboy:
I've always helped people that have come to me with questions. :P
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: RafaDK on March 20, 2015, 12:30:42 am
Are you talking about these two boys here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugCN1XvBE0I&feature=youtu.be

I hope you realise that mods, vehicle mods, that change your vehicle handling are illegal. And I'm pretty sure no vehicle in SA with the stock handling is able to pull that type of turning, even with e-brake at 0:51
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Manoni on March 20, 2015, 02:10:38 am
I hope you realise that mods, vehicle mods, that change your vehicle handling are illegal. And I'm pretty sure no vehicle in SA with the stock handling is able to pull that type of turning, even with e-brake at 0:51

It's an infernus, you can easily do that.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Leon. on March 20, 2015, 02:34:01 am
I don't know why people can't just help the new players and show them how to play like they used to do years ago. Maybe then the new people wouldn't misunderstand the gamemode and starting shooting everyone...
You people are so f**cking hardheaded it's ridiculous. When was the last time you even logged in, Sugar? When was the last time you tried picking up a misguided new player and teaching him the rules? I don't know about you but I try to go the extra mile to teach a new player proper etiquette regardless if they ask for my advice or not when I see them slipping up.

A majority of new players don't give two fifths of a fuck about learning our rules and following them even if they are taught the rules directly. Many come on for the sole purpose of death, destruction, and causing chaos, not for roleplay and the community. Many come on and DM and learn that it's not a deathmatch server, then leave - cool! And there are many that come on & are told the rules, then go on to deathmatch and get themselves banned after getting warned/kicked/tempbanned. To disregard the existence of these kinds of players is willful ignorance on your part.

You are naive if you still think nobody is trying to teach new players, and should perhaps try spending more time teaching them yourself (and learning how futile it is in many cases - never stops me from trying before you call me a quitter) instead of pointing fingers. New players are not mentally deficient like you seem to be writing them off as.

Now go ahead and tell me all about how I'm teaching hard-headed trolls the simplest rules possible incorrectly. Hell, I don't even tell a new player how to buy guns until they tell me why they need them. There is no good reason to allow the players that come on to troll and DM for teh lulz to have such easy access to weapons. Guns are for roleplay, right? Then they should prove that they are here to roleplay. Watch how many of those hard-headed DMing trolls immediately leave when they learn they have to actually dedicate a little time to the server before being able to buy guns.

Tired of this community blaming the regulars for every new player's smelly shit. So ungrateful.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: SugarD on March 20, 2015, 02:48:42 am
You people are so f**cking hardheaded it's ridiculous. When was the last time you even logged in, Sugar? When was the last time you tried picking up a misguided new player and teaching him the rules? I don't know about you but I try to go the extra mile to teach a new player proper etiquette regardless if they ask for my advice or not when I see them slipping up.

A majority of new players don't give two fifths of a fuck about learning our rules and following them even if they are taught the rules directly. Many come on for the sole purpose of death, destruction, and causing chaos, not for roleplay and the community. Many come on and DM and learn that it's not a deathmatch server, then leave - cool! And there are many that come on & are told the rules, then go on to deathmatch and get themselves banned after getting warned/kicked/tempbanned. To disregard the existence of these kinds of players is willful ignorance on your part.

You are naive if you still think nobody is trying to teach new players, and should perhaps try spending more time teaching them yourself (and learning how futile it is in many cases - never stops me from trying before you call me a quitter) instead of pointing fingers. New players are not mentally deficient like you seem to be writing them off as.

Now go ahead and tell me all about how I'm teaching hard-headed trolls the simplest rules possible incorrectly. Hell, I don't even tell a new player how to buy guns until they tell me why they need them. There is no good reason to allow the players that come on to troll and DM for teh lulz to have such easy access to weapons. Guns are for roleplay, right? Then they should prove that they are here to roleplay. Watch how many of those hard-headed DMing trolls immediately leave when they learn they have to actually dedicate a little time to the server before being able to buy guns.

Tired of this community blaming the regulars for every new player's smelly shit. So ungrateful.
You only proved our point with that post.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Teddy on March 20, 2015, 02:51:41 am
A majority of new players don't give two fifths of a fuck about learning our rules and following them even if they are taught the rules directly. Many come on for the sole purpose of death, destruction, and causing chaos, not for roleplay and the community.

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Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Teddy on March 20, 2015, 02:53:15 am
Don't know why people who never play anymore actually have any room to talk. I guess you need to see the problem in order to understand it.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Leon. on March 20, 2015, 05:15:43 am
You only proved our point with that post.
Please elaborate.

Forgive the tone of my post, I was in a mood.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Thom on March 20, 2015, 06:50:41 am
Lol, you're right, but not, each one of them is like that. 50% of the new players i help, get banned for hacking or DMing.. It's dissapointing.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: psyron on March 20, 2015, 07:22:18 am
A majority of new players don't give two fifths of a fuck about learning our rules and following them even if they are taught the rules directly. Many come on for the sole purpose of death, destruction, and causing chaos, not for roleplay and the community. Many come on and DM and learn that it's not a deathmatch server, then leave - cool! And there are many that come on & are told the rules, then go on to deathmatch and get themselves banned after getting warned/kicked/tempbanned. To disregard the existence of these kinds of players is willful ignorance on your part.

sad but true. i have encountered many of the sort, demotivated me to some extent from helping new players
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: RafaDK on March 20, 2015, 07:54:17 pm
It's an infernus, you can easily do that.

There's a significant noticeable change on the handling, specially before he starts 'drifting'. An infernus could not pull that start.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Devin on March 21, 2015, 08:20:38 am
Are you talking about these two boys here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugCN1XvBE0I&feature=youtu.be

Just spotted this now, nice cop-baiting skills you have there I see.  :app:
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Cofiliano on March 23, 2015, 02:43:02 pm
If you can't handle a newbie with a gun, then you should play Sims.

On the other hand, newbies should have the right to defend themselves, and use weapons as much as every other player. And if they misbehave and break rules using those weapons, they should be teached about it , then punished if they continue for it.
My point is, there's a lot more Dmers among veterans then newbies, so generalizing them is a non sense .
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Teddy on March 23, 2015, 03:54:53 pm
you should play Sims.

I do RON, oh wait...
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Cofiliano on March 23, 2015, 04:40:21 pm
How exactly is your reply connected with the topic of should newbies be allowed to get weapons?
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: RizzE. on March 23, 2015, 04:46:56 pm
Remove the guns and they will still punch and carkill and kamizake etc.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Teddy on March 23, 2015, 07:27:10 pm
How exactly is your reply connected with the topic of should newbies be allowed to get weapons?


How exactly is the sims connect to it?
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Sandi on March 23, 2015, 07:49:22 pm
We got our new moderators for a reason ;)
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Kewlizm on March 23, 2015, 08:00:15 pm
We got our new moderators for a reason ;)

This  :)
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Huntsman on March 23, 2015, 08:53:21 pm
You only proved our point with that post.

No.
What he did prove is that you talk too much for someone who hardly logs in for once a week. Admit it at once - you hardly even realise what's going on. No wonder, with that activity, I wouldn't either.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Devin on March 23, 2015, 11:35:39 pm
No.
What he did prove is that you talk too much for someone who hardly logs in for once a week. Admit it at once - you hardly even realise what's going on. No wonder, with that activity, I wouldn't either.

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I really don't know why people want to bring activity up in discussions.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Thom on March 24, 2015, 06:58:20 am
There are many ways to rulebreak, and even if weapons were disabled, if they really have the intetion to rulebreak, they will find a way. You see, unlike some of you that speak, i come in contact with many new players daily, and I know that. When a new player, gets the help he deserves he usually, ends up being loyal. Most of you, in your very start, you weren't always obeying the rules, and probably getting warnings/kicks or even ban. So you can't expect a new player to be PERFECT in his first months. Instead of bullshitting when a new player DMs you, instead of reporting, help him. My point is, it's not the gun, it's how every new player thinks.

Remove the guns and they will still punch and carkill and kamizake etc.

That ^
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Huntsman on March 24, 2015, 03:13:24 pm
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I really don't know why people want to bring activity up in discussions.

Yes, I had reported inactivity in both FBI and VCPD forums due to school and various other personal reasons. And therefore, you didn't see me lurking topics acting like an all knowing smartass. Not to mention that this topic was created far before I went inactive.

P.S: By the way, I've looked into several of your replies and have come to a conclusion that people like you are a very weighy factor when it comes to why Argonath is expierencing a player-base loss.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Brian on March 24, 2015, 03:29:21 pm

P.S: By the way, I've looked into several of your replies and have come to a conclusion that people like you are a very weighy factor when it comes to why Argonath is expierencing a player-base loss.

Server's getting more and more players daily, with an usual base of about 30+. You are saying that he is one of the 'factors' of the player-base loss, yet all you do is moan about some stuff, probably didn't even notice your train is in-game.
Next time you try acting like a smart-ass. Think about the item you are you are going to post before you submit a post on a topic you probably know nothing about, because I think your posts are a waste of resources, as you would say it.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Devin on March 24, 2015, 03:43:24 pm
P.S: By the way, I've looked into several of your replies and have come to a conclusion that people like you are a very weighy factor when it comes to why Argonath is expierencing a player-base loss.

Keep it up, you're not the first person to blame any HQ member for the loss of players whilst you sit here looking for fights with people like SugarD. :cowboy:

probably didn't even notice your train is in-game.

The trains I so lovingly added to the server.  :(
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Andeey on March 24, 2015, 03:50:15 pm
Newbie cops simply just need to be Taught how to play as a cop and be taught the rules and their limits, they dont need limits on what they can do, more Regular players DM and abuse then newbies do.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Huntsman on March 24, 2015, 04:08:12 pm
Server's getting more and more players daily, with an usual base of about 30+. You are saying that he is one of the 'factors' of the player-base loss, yet all you do is moan about some stuff, probably didn't even notice your train is in-game.
Next time you try acting like a smart-ass. Think about the item you are you are going to post before you submit a post on a topic you probably know nothing about, because I think your posts are a waste of resources, as you would say it.

Okay  :rofl:
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Harry on March 24, 2015, 04:17:43 pm
After 12 pages of useless crap, there is an easy solution.

/disarm - people with braincells know that it's a roleplay server and that does not mean to murder players.

As for the cops, copban. If the player is here to DM and abuse citizens for fun pointing out the rules will not help. If they are copbannend they can easily get a gun at the ammunation.

So yeah, there are a lot of new players joining everyday, maybe 1 out of 10 knows how to play on a rp server.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Brian on March 24, 2015, 04:18:40 pm
After 12 pages of useless crap, there is an easy solution.

/disarm - people with braincells know that it's a roleplay server and that does not mean to murder players.

As for the cops, copban. If the player is here to DM and abuse citizens for fun pointing out the rules will not help. If they are copbannend they can easily get a gun at the ammunation.

So yeah, there are a lot of new players joining everyday, maybe 1 out of 10 knows how to play on a rp server.
We already do that, does not seem to change their behavior.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Jones on March 24, 2015, 04:20:52 pm
Just automatically freeze and mute a player when they connect, new or old.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Manoni on March 24, 2015, 04:23:52 pm
We already do that, does not seem to change their behavior.

They wont really change because they don't want to, that is why most of them end up being banned.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Thom on March 24, 2015, 04:43:28 pm
Well simple cmds don't change people thoughts.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Denis_Koja on March 24, 2015, 04:47:18 pm
Well, today i spoted 5 New Officer's, they abused their powers and destroyed any single RolePlay scene.

This must be stopped

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Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Manas on March 24, 2015, 04:50:21 pm
Well, today i spoted 5 New Officer's, they abused their powers and destroyed any single RolePlay scene.

This must be stopped

Our grievances fall on deaf ears
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Devin on March 24, 2015, 05:39:19 pm
Report people abusing cop duty to SAPD itself, they handle those matters internally.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Cyril on March 24, 2015, 05:40:35 pm
Our grievances fall on deaf ears

http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?board=144.0

I don't see any report there from you people complaing. I don't understand how you can expect anything to be done?
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Huntsman on March 24, 2015, 05:59:19 pm
http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?board=144.0

I don't see any report there from you people complaing. I don't understand how you can expect anything to be done?

People want to be able to play without having to hop out of game every ten minutes and spend another fifteen uploading screenshots and writing a detailed description. They're here to play and get away from the paperwork they have in school or work, not to do even more of it (Unless they are SAPD or FBI, ofcourse). Either the report system has to be simplified and much more convenient or this link has to stop being shoved down peoples throats as a comeback for a legitimate concern.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Cyril on March 24, 2015, 06:01:54 pm
People want to be able to play without having to hop out of game every ten minutes and spend another fifteen uploading screenshots and writing a detailed description. They're here to play and get away from the paperwork they have in school, not to do even more of it (Unless they are SAPD or FBI, ofcourse). Either the report system has to be simplified and much more convenient or this link has to stop being shoved down peoples throats as a comeback for a legitimate concern.

It's already pretty simple.
If you can't have time to report people that break the police regulations then I advice you to not complain about them.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Devin on March 24, 2015, 06:02:10 pm
Either the report system has to be simplified and much more convenient or this link has to stop being shoved down peoples throats as a comeback for a legitimate concern.

Go make it simplified for them then if that's the case. Better yet ask CBF to simplify it as he's the one that set it up as it is.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Huntsman on March 24, 2015, 07:07:25 pm
Go make it simplified for them then if that's the case. Better yet ask CBF to simplify it as he's the one that set it up as it is.

If it was my call, I would've.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Brian on March 24, 2015, 07:12:46 pm
People want to be able to play without having to hop out of game every ten minutes and spend another fifteen uploading screenshots and writing a detailed description. They're here to play and get away from the paperwork they have in school or work, not to do even more of it (Unless they are SAPD or FBI, ofcourse). Either the report system has to be simplified and much more convenient or this link has to stop being shoved down peoples throats as a comeback for a legitimate concern.
You are on a role-play server, work is around rather often here, if you wanna go fuck around and 'escape' stuff, you could join servers with less restrictions, like Paruni or Stunt.
The report system is not hard at all and takes a max of 5 minutes if you just fill everything that's asked, if it is a server rulebreak, report to administration. Never had any issues with it.
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on March 25, 2015, 01:47:17 am
It seems much of the grievances have already been dealt with.

Seems counter productive to continue a discussion with a brick wall. 

Why is this thread still open...
Title: Re: Stop allowing newbies get free guns
Post by: Luca Man on March 25, 2015, 07:56:36 am
Well, today i spoted 5 New Officer's, they abused their powers and destroyed any single RolePlay scene.

This must be stopped

Here are some picture's
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2cr0gt1.png)

(http://i58.tinypic.com/2zxwf0x.png)

(http://i59.tinypic.com/2la4p4j.png)

(http://i57.tinypic.com/2n709k0.png)

(http://i62.tinypic.com/2w23ihu.png)

(http://i60.tinypic.com/xpwjuc.png)

(http://i61.tinypic.com/erbonb.jpg)

To be bloody honest, all I noticed in these pictures was some newbie cops being misleaded by a famous troll cop, mr. Timon.
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