Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on August 20, 2010, 05:09:06 am
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Before you start, I'm attempting to address the issues of Argonath RPG.
Well, after playing the day away, I noticed VERYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYY little RP. I got bored as cop, so I went to chill with Ancelotti's. We RP'ed some stuff, they logged off. I robbed some people. Leon and Keox happened to be those people. Both times i stole the car. Keox later came back and finished off the robbery by killing me. That's great! I like it.
Later on, I observed this:
ORANGE NAME, JESUS CHRIST
I'LL CHASE HIM
OKAY, LET ME SHOOOT
OKAY, HE'S ON THE GROUND /GU, AND RPING
fuck that shit. i'm not RPing.
I WANT MY DAMN $600.
I've been observing this since the begginning of 2010. when i first joined, i joined for RP, not cops and robbers. back in '09, it was better.
Now, hopefully this wont be taken as a/an.....
- Cops and robbers suggestion
- Moan
OMFG HE FUNY
This is serious.
Hopefully, with the help of Devs., admins, and players alike we can change Argonath back to it's old ways, but in the future.
Possible ways:
Cops just want criminals all day.
Solution: Remove orange names, cops will have to RP to find suspects.
People just want to be criminal for the chase
Solution: Make fees higher. $5000 for a jail $10-15000 for a death. This will make no one want to be a criminal
Other Solution: Make more civilain jobs as this would make that go away.
Cops just want their dues for killing/arresting
Solution: Instead of killing/arresting, they get paid by...idk yet.
Please, let's save this awesome community from becoming a cops and robbers server.
Add problems and solutions
Signed,
A person who sees the real Argonath, as others might not.
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Yea so criminal groups are going to be good boys ? And this is just to benefit cops
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Solution: Remove orange names, cops will have to RP to find suspects.
how are we supposed to find who is a criminal in a big shootout at GS9 or Gvardia HQ?
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I like it, Dr. Fisher.
Solution: Remove orange names, cops will have to RP to find suspects.
how are we supposed to find who is a criminal in a big shootout at GS9 or Gvardia HQ?
Remove /su as the suspection command, instead do the suspection in pure roleplay manner. Then get paydays for your time on duty, within the limits. Not just being AFK as a cop, or just driving around in the car writing on mainchat or what-so-ever. But for the time being on duty while working. Use a type of /su for jailing the person afterwards, telling him what crimes he commited. More crimes will make the criminal pay more while being jailed.
This wont happen, and I know it.
To bad, though.
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Solution: Remove orange names, cops will have to RP to find suspects.
how are we supposed to find who is a criminal in a big shootout at GS9 or Gvardia HQ?
Freaking good idea!!
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Problem is in the players, not in the scripts. Removing orange blips/names won't make people role-play. Increasing fees for dying will only increase moaning.
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Problem is in the players, not in the scripts. Removing orange blips/names won't make people role-play. Increasing fees for dying will only increase moaning.
+1.
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Problem is in the players, not in the scripts. Removing orange blips/names won't make people role-play. Increasing fees for dying will only increase moaning.
Actually, I have to agree with you.
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First seemed good but
Problem is in the players, not in the scripts. Removing orange blips/names won't make people role-play. Increasing fees for dying will only increase moaning.
has a point.
As someone told, let's go back to old scripts :D
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Solution: Make fees higher. $5000 for a jail $10-15000 for a death. This will make no one want to be a criminal
Or, even better, make all cops have to pay 15k to go on duty, and they have to pay for all their own ammo.
This will make no one want to be a cop.
Problem solved.
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Or, even better, make all cops have to pay 15k to go on duty, and they have to pay for all their own ammo.
This will make no one want to be a cop.
Problem solved.
Chaos, riots, assaults... CALL CHUCKNORRIS
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Dude, you're just benefiting the cop.. It's Commensalism, dude.
Removing the orange blips / names will just make an arguement, moaning and such! If you want to change Argonath, don't change it to a serious roleplaying server.
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Go run your own server :D
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or that... Still, Argonath will never turn into a serious roleplay
Argonath's finest and system makes it one of the most unique servers in San Andreas Multiplayer nationwide.
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or that... Still, Argonath will never turn into a serious roleplay
Argonath's finest and system makes it one of the most unique servers in San Andreas Multiplayer nationwide.
+1000
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Be honest, where do you see RP between Cops and criminals?
you don't. cops want their money for Hunting orange names. is that RP? no.
If you're old enough here, to atleast go back to '09, you'd notice a huge change. Problem is in the players, not in the scripts. Removing orange blips/names won't make people role-play. Increasing fees for dying will only increase moaning.
It's both. Scripts, such as orange names/dot makes cops hunt criminals. which is technically DM if they just straight up shoot because the criminal didn't do anything to that cop.
Players: WE caused this.
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I have a better solution, if you can't stand being a cop, rp something else
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It's both. Scripts, such as orange names/dot makes cops hunt criminals. which is technically DM if they just straight up shoot because the criminal didn't do anything to that cop.
Players: WE caused this.
No, the cop with a x (variable) reason makes him/her hunt criminals, it does not matter if they are orange yet or not because they could make them orange.
Problem is in the players, not in the scripts. Removing orange blips/names won't make people role-play. Increasing fees for dying will only increase moaning.
''Problem is in the players''
100% correct. These scripts are to fulfill Positives for BOTH sides, but you know whats wrong? The players and how they misuse it. I am not being biased here, but lets think: Who has more scripts / scripted power of ALL (i.e. civilians medics taxi drivers criminals)? Cops.. And these cops can suspect ALL others so they basically are the controlling script job of Argonath, so of course, many will go to that job. Yes, there are some VERY VERY skilled and Amazing Cops, but then there are also many MANY 'bad boy' cops who do not follow ARPD rules and have such high power, and they will misuse the scripts which are SUPPOSED to be only used for what they were made for, but those who want to abuse them are the problems.
So basically, like Grz said, Problem is in the players. Scripts were never the fault, its just that some of the players misuse the scripts for bad. NOW, The question is; Why? Why do these players misuse the scripts? There are 2 main options that could be generalized for ALL who have misused cop rights. 1. Money... Lets face it, there are sadly some players who will do ANYTHING for money, and this is one main cause of abuse, and also moaning... I will get to this later. 2. Just to simply harass / annoy innocent people. Yes, trolling is easy to do as a cop and I have been victim to it and have seen it. What do I mean? Cop targets one specific person and constantly pulls them over, suspects them, even for false reasons, just to annoy the player, who will then begin to moan, cop will argue back, start a fight, someone gets kicked, they come back and complain they wernt moaning, then banned, then there is a 7 page long unban request of people arguing over Cops abusing, and there will be moaning, etc... See what i'm getting to?
Money.. I think there should be a day where money is completely removed, and everyone gets 100,000,000$ to PURCHASE, BUY, ANYTHING they would like, such as cars, weapons, homes, businesses, Food [RP or just /buy], etc etc. And lets say someone gets killed by a cop who abuses. Who would care? chances are the player would not moan because he did lose something, BUT he has so much left, so moaning would be pointless!
The above idea would be also used as an experiment to see if people moan over money.
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Money.. I think there should be a day where money is completely removed, and everyone gets 100,000,000$ to PURCHASE, BUY, ANYTHING they would like, such as cars, weapons, homes, businesses, Food [RP or just /buy], etc etc. And lets say someone gets killed by a cop who abuses. Who would care? chances are the player would not moan because he did lose something, BUT he has so much left, so moaning would be pointless!
The above idea would be also used as an experiment to see if people moan over money.
When cops get $100,000,000 ... they won't care about money anymore ... so they will go off duty .... so technically, no one will get abused...
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And lets say someone gets killed by a cop who abuses. Who would care? chances are the player would not moan because he did lose something, BUT he has so much left, so moaning would be pointless!
Wrong here ..... there's some players that they moan for loosing 2k over an armour, and they're budget is over 200k.....
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Leon
Hi.
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ok, hasn't this been going on for the past 3 years?
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ok, hasn't this been going on for the past 3 years?
Yeah, it all started with the MTA:VC veterans complaining about SA:MP players trying to turn Argonath into a srsbsns rp server when all they did was pitch in an idea or two. And then it suddenly escalated to the cops and criminals and admins and owners and devs and players and non players and firemen and medics and all sorts of shit.
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This topic is really pointless, it's obvious people aren't going too change because they lips are so far up people's asses with the "THIS IS NOT RL RPG SERVER OK GTFO", while they are serious with anything BUT roleplay.
so to conclude, this is a serious server where people don't RP in, there goes your "SRS BSNS" argument.
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Ironically, sitting on the forum complaining all day won't get much RPing done either.
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Not making any visible crime will not give the cops anyone to suspect.
That means all abusive cops will be banned from duty in short time, as it will be very simple to see which cops suspect without a correct reason and which do not.
So lets start by criminals posing as law abiding citizens, who are polite and friendly towards any cop who they meet. That will bring a faster solution as whining that cops have advantages, and criminals would actually have to RP hiding their crimes.
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This isn't a serious business idea, I want to HELP Argonath. This isn't Argo RPG for nothing. Yes, it's basically a free RP server. Does that mean you should go hunt criminals and make them moan? No.
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Remove the blips from your " Mini Map " This will solve everything.. Thats my opinion.. if you wanna know how "That" Will help, i'll be glad to tell you ;)
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This isn't a serious business idea,
It's a letsmakeatopicthatonlybenefitscopssocri minalscanargue topic.
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Yeah, it all started with the MTA:VC veterans complaining about SA:MP players trying to turn Argonath into a srsbsns rp server when all they did was pitch in an idea or two. And then it suddenly escalated to the cops and criminals and admins and owners and devs and players and non players and firemen and medics and all sorts of shit.
o.O when?
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Remove the blips from your " Mini Map " This will solve everything.. Thats my opinion.. if you wanna know how "That" Will help, i'll be glad to tell you ;)
Ironically, sitting on the forum complaining all day won't get much RPing done either.
Three words in one abbreviation: QFT.
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Ironically, sitting on the forum complaining all day won't get much RPing done either.
Ironically, this topic isn't to complain or moan, its to help create, change, or face a problem some of the members have. Why so 'gtfo with that' so much?
Remove the blips from your " Mini Map " This will solve everything.. Thats my opinion.. if you wanna know how "That" Will help, i'll be glad to tell you ;)
Remove Cops and suspects radAR, will + some people but for these who do not support, they will cry their eyes out... No one will EVER be completely happy.
When cops get $100,000,000 ... they won't care about money anymore ... so they will go off duty .... so technically, no one will get abused...
Then we will see who are the REAL cops and the MONEY cops, right? Then we know which cops to respect and which not to. (yes I am implying those cops who are cops for money shouldn't be respected as a cop.)
Wrong here ..... there's some players that they moan for loosing 2k over an armour, and they're budget is over 200k.....
Believe it or not its very VERY easy to lose 200k fast when your a player who constantly purchases ammunition or uses on roleplay... But anyway, then we will see who plays for MONEY or who plays for roleplay. am i rite?
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It's a letsmakeatopicthatonlybenefitscopssocri minalscanargue topic.
You cannot force someone to Role play, whether you like it or not. Argonath has always been that way. Have a lot of people stopped role playing lately? Yes. Have a lot of people been moaning lately? Yes.
How do we fix this? Stop posting topics like this and go contribute in game where it matters, help new players learn to role play and enrich our community with respectful, helpful, kind players. Show people that you can Role play any job you want, you just need to imagine it. This is NOT a cops and robbers server, everyone needs to stop thinking it is. There are TONS of jobs/characters you can play!
Problem is in the players, not in the scripts. Removing orange blips/names won't make people role-play. Increasing fees for dying will only increase moaning.
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OH. I found the problem! MONEY.
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Actually Jamal Everyone will be happy For the following reasons:
- -Cops can actually bust drug deals.
- -Increase rp for hit-men
- -You can RP as a spy and so on
- -Cops will need to co-operate in-order to find a single suspect ( More Teamwork )
That's some examples, there's still more that can be accomplished without those " Blips " And if you really want my opinion we should all agree on
removing the names over each player and instead put ( Stranger ID"number" ) and add the following command /meet [id] [nametoremember], that will surely increase the rp more.
Attention: hey i ain't moaning i'm giving out my ideas and opinions ;)
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Just don't change anything? if there is a change now because people are moaning there need to be much more changes because other people are gonna moan as well.. If you want Argonath to be the best Roleplay server just accept the scripts and accept the scripts for how they are, admins put in those scripts for a reason and modified the old scripts for a reason.. how do you feel when you put in so much work into scripting and people begin to moan about it.. Of course some people don't rp.. but that's why they have the /report command.
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Actually Jamal Everyone will be happy For the following reasons:
- -Cops can actually bust drug deals.
- -Increase rp for hit-men
- -You can RP as a spy and so on
- -Cops will need to co-operate in-order to find a single suspect ( More Teamwork )
That's some examples, there's still more that can be accomplished without those " Blips " And if you really want my opinion we should all agree on
removing the names over each player and instead put ( Stranger ID"number" ) and add the following command /meet [id] [nametoremember], that will surely increase the rp more.
Attention: hey i ain't moaning i'm giving out my ideas and opinions ;)
NO those will just make Argo a RLRP or super nigga cool king icantrpbutiluvseriousrp RP
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how are we supposed to find who is a criminal in a big shootout at GS9 or Gvardia HQ?
Take in custody everyone who were present WITHIN the scene and interrogate them for what they were doing there. That's how people do in real life.
While during shootout just shoot everyone who has a weapon shooting in your side.
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Roleplay can be used for conflict resolution like this. I just started a group thanks to this topic, because t gave me a great idea, thanks for the inspiration :D
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RP, does it even exist?
Yes, but you see it as rarely as clothes in a nudist club.
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Yes, but you see it as rarely as clothes in a nudist club.
LOL
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Dr.Pepper
Here already many people told good points and some answers to you...
But... Let me tell you another side of your "remarks"...
For 3-4 days I was active spectating the players from all sides... Newbies, veterans, admins... Criminals, cops, medics, firemen...
And what "hunting" I saw most on server? Not a criminal hunting... Opposite! Cophunting... First players annoy cops by driving in front of them, ramming their cars, shouting "F**CKING B*TCHES!", punching, shooting, etc. Then when getting "orange name" - just shooting on site when see any "blue name" around...
Yesterday my patience of such cop hunters finished when one of them just used /helpmeup, when cops caught him on spray cane... I banned that guy... From spectating their group for almost 20 minutes nothing actually happened - got orange names and standing near own house waiting for cops to start shooting...
Did I get any report from cops that time? No... I even pointed to the cops to report such script abuse like this /helpmeup, which usage is 100% permbanable as abusing of script...
Here I have a question...
From reading forums for this years I hardly could find 10 topics of cops moaning about criminal-players... But I have read tons of topics from criminal players about how f*cking abusive are cops on Argonath...
So here is the question... Why criminal players are those big moaners then cop players and why they cannot handle the level of cop players in patience and play... Cos with scripts or without - cops role is MUCH MORE difficult then play a criminal...
I am not even talking about stupid idea of GS9, where half of server just comes, stand in a line and punching each other till the chaos beginning... Then it is usual cops vs criminals...
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As for RP on Argonath - YES, it went down totally... but NOT COS OF COPS... Opposite... Cos of OTHERS... Because cops quality raised since I was last time... And cops work is under control by police HQ and also by admins... You will not find ANY criminal group, where you WOULD BE BANNED from possibility of being a criminal for shitty quality...
So... to those, who likes to moan about cops... Think about what I said... AUB..
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sooo true, well said
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I am not even talking about stupid idea of GS9, where half of server just comes, stand in a line and punching each other till the chaos beginning... Then it is usual cops vs criminals...
lol, A+
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Solution : /tax [id] [reason] - if he moans/dm/somethign like that. :mad:
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This isn't a serious business idea, I want to HELP Argonath. This isn't Argo RPG for nothing. Yes, it's basically a free RP server. Does that mean you should go hunt criminals and make them moan? No.
This isn't Argo RPG? Lol..
With it's system, we are one of the most incredibly unique in all SA:MP servers, ever. Have you ever seen a fun, friendly, freeroam, roleplaying, job inductions and mostly, communication servers? It's very rare... That's what makes Argonath RPG, a world of ITS OWN, UNIQUE.
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Cophunting... First players annoy cops by driving in front of them, ramming their cars, shouting "F**CKING B*TCHES!", punching, shooting, etc.
I shudder to think who you were spectating, since I have never seen anyone do this that wasn't a child.
The situation you describe above is rare to me, and should not be taken as an example of any side.
Provoking cops like that is immature and in my experience would get you kicked out of many criminal groups.
I do however only speak from experience of my own group and the other mafias. I cannot speak for the street gangs.
cops role is MUCH MORE difficult then play a criminal...
Well, I'm sorry, but I have to disagree.
Criminals often get victimised for almost nothing. The same cannot be said for cops or indeed citizens.
When criminals make a point, many simple pass it off as "moaning" or whatever and then the thread gets locked. When cops do the same, they are listened to.
I am not even talking about stupid idea of GS9, where half of server just comes,
You'd have to talk to one of your Community Leaders about that, since he started the GS9 trend that you describe above.
You will not find ANY criminal group, where you WOULD BE BANNED from possibility of being a criminal for shitty quality...
No, but you will find plenty of criminals groups where you would be banned from that group for "shitty quality". Indeed, there is only one "police group" on SAMP (SAPD) so the process is quite the same, except they have no other groups to hop to.
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And what "hunting" I saw most on server? Not a criminal hunting... Opposite! Cophunting... First players annoy cops by driving in front of them, ramming their cars, shouting "F**CKING B*TCHES!", punching, shooting, etc. Then when getting "orange name" - just shooting on site when see any "blue name" around...
I don't know about the other groups, but if I found any Gvardia doing that BS, then byebye2dem. :cool:
For 3-4 days I was active spectating the players from all sides... Newbies, veterans, admins... Criminals, cops, medics, firemen...
Cool, welcome back, brother! inb4gandalf
Did I get any report from cops that time? No... I even pointed to the cops to report such script abuse like this /helpmeup, which usage is 100% permbanable as abusing of script...
What does that say about the cops?
From reading forums for this years I hardly could find 10 topics of cops moaning about criminal-players... But I have read tons of topics from criminal players about how f*cking abusive are cops on Argonath...
Because the sad truth is true... Just yesterday, I was victimized of /su bullying "FOR THE LAWLZ", and I bet you my scrotum that I broke no Argonath laws at that time. I'm so sure, I'm betting my own damn testicles. What does THAT say about some cops?
When you say 'abusive cop', I think the security skin, because they're usually the ignorant ones who INTENTIONALLY remain ignorant of the rules and regulations, yet still manage to falsely suspect people and get away with it. The situation yesterday involved a NOT-NEW cop pulling me over literally for 'going 40 km/h under the speed limit', and upon me pulling over the first time he said so, he suspected me for "EVADING". I was loling so hard, and it took ten minutes out of my time just to deal with some no-brained police officer who finds it funny to victimize other players.
Weeks ago, someone tried to fine me 3k. I said an estimated 7 times via PM, "The maximum ticket limit is $250." He just kept saying "IDC PAY 3K" and "NO PAY 3K I /SU". I reported him once, and LOOKIE HERE, he's getting away with it! Welcome to the abusive cop group! Perhaps we should have a mini-squad of admins specifically designed to deal with bullshit like this!
The experienced cops are the awesome ones. I highly suggest that we restrict joining the police force, or at least have a message box with all of the damn rules of cops when they do /duty, so they have NO fucking lame-ass excuse of "I NO KNOW RULEZ ADMIN".
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Welcome to Argonath, here you will learn RPing rather seriously in a roleplay server is retarded and you have to focus on getting stats and achievements such as an administrator position, which will help you support the other administrators who think the same, and finally making you close minded to any ideas suggested to fix this situation.
I mean wtf, why put most effort in roleplaying if it says "Argonath RPG" in the host name, that just doesn't make sense!
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Fact: Everyone talks about how bad Argo is at the moment.
Fact: No one does anything about it
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I shudder to think who you were spectating, since I have never seen anyone do this that wasn't a child.
The situation you describe above is rare to me, and should not be taken as an example of any side.
It is rare to you as you do not spectate players in game as I did... For me was enough 4 days to see the "tradition" of getting wanted... And no, you are wrong, people who do this - old players, with their money, properties and even groups memberships...
Well, I'm sorry, but I have to disagree.
I am sorry but I cannot count on your opinion here as you have interests in such opinion (criminal group)... When you will provide me ANY case where player was banned from playing a criminal ROLE then we will talk about equalizing chances of cops ROLE and criminal ROLE... And cops actually do not write moan topics as much as criminals do, so here i cannot see rather equal or harder criminal life...
You'd have to talk to one of your Community Leaders about that, since he started the GS9 trend that you describe above.
First of all if you want to be that brave enough you could at least provide me a name of your community leader cos right now you look like a strauss, hiding his head in a sand... Lucky you, I know what you are talking about.
Secondly, I wrote crealy HALF OF SERVER, you successfully removed all this and blaimed only one person which at once changes for me all idea of your words into personal issue...
Thirdly, pointing at me something without knowledges of the situation or my opinion - very poor action and against me it works just negative...
If you REALLY wanted to tell me something - could do it in a decent way...
No, but you will find plenty of criminals groups where you would be banned from that group for "shitty quality". Indeed, there is only one "police group" on SAMP (SAPD) so the process is quite the same, except they have no other groups to hop to.
You lost totally the point and I am not surprised... You mixed "group" and "role play"...
Once again - ANY example of banning player from ANY "role", except cops... If you will provide me this info - then we can continue talking about equalizinf or waving hands "omfg criminal role is much more harder"...
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So here is the question... Why criminal players are those big moaners then cop players and why they cannot handle the level of cop players in patience and play... Cos with scripts or without - cops role is MUCH MORE difficult then play a criminal...
So here's the answer:
Because people become criminals ONLY in order to fight with others.. Everyone forgets about getting money illegally and other criminal business, only shooting around. There are only rare exceptions.
I dare everyone to prove me wrong.
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Happens,Altair.
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Remove the blips from your " Mini Map " This will solve everything.. Thats my opinion.. if you wanna know how "That" Will help, i'll be glad to tell you ;)
It will not solve everything, it will limit RP. If you see someone who is about to approach you on radar, then an RP can be instigated. There is no RP between two players who do not know the other is there.
I was going to post a lot but Grzesiek, RON, and Altair basically wrapped it up.
@Panda: I acknowledge that you run a good criminal group and have relations as well with others who also do, but I would have to agree with RON about those immature criminals who go around just to get attention from the cops, as I also encounter them a lot of the time.
It is actually one of the reasons why I prefer situations with suspects such as trained Araatus or Corleone over the majority of criminals who think bad-assing cops is cool only to moan in the end when they pwned due to the consequences of their actions. :)
people become criminals ONLY in order to fight with others.. Everyone forgets about getting money illegally and other criminal business, only shooting around. There are only rare exceptions.
I have yet to see criminal situations that don't involve bloodbaths. Virtually every situation I can recall in 2 years of fedwork involves a criminal attacking a cop, except for those situations where the suspects were innocent or wanted to play around with the cops in a different manner. Even though, the logic is still about going against cops. :neutral:
My personal thoughts.
RP is all in the minds of the players, and executing it is about sharing it between each other. If you will sit here complaining about it and how Mr. X won't RP because he always DMs Mr. Y and shoots at Mr. Z, then you won't get anywhere.
What if everyone in the community were newbies, would we still see all this provoking and shitting on each other?
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I'm beginning to think that if everyone in the community (with the exception of the owners) became newbies, things would be a lot better.
What have I done to you JDCdesigns that you want me to become a newbie.
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What have I done to you JDCdesigns that you want me to become a newbie.
I didn't seriously mean that everyone should. :lol:
It's a lament about everyone shitting on each other, especially on part of the regulars and veterans. Oh well, fixed my post. I used some wrong words anyways.
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It is rare to you as you do not spectate players in game as I did... For me was enough 4 days to see the "tradition" of getting wanted... And no, you are wrong, people who do this - old players, with their money, properties and even groups memberships...
Well, I've never had any reports of Araatus members doing it in the past, and I've never witnessed it when I was with other groups. Like I said, I can't speak for street gangs or groups I don't play with regularly.
First of all if you want to be that brave enough you could at least provide me a name of your community leader cos right now you look like a strauss, hiding his head in a sand... Lucky you, I know what you are talking about.
Um.. I meant Frank Hawk? o_o
I figured everyone knew that, I wasn't trying to hide that (or indeed take a swipe at Frank Hawk).
Once again - ANY example of banning player from ANY "role", except cops... If you will provide me this info - then we can continue talking about equalizinf or waving hands "omfg criminal role is much more harder"...
Well, the reason people can be banned from cop role is due to /copban.
For future reference, whenever I say "criminal", I always mean someone in a criminal group. That's just the way I've always considered it. Ungrouped citizens who sometimes get suspected are not "criminals" by my definition, they are citizens. Based on that definition, you can (eventually) end up banned from every criminal group on the server, which is effectively a /criminalban of sorts.
Indeed, you can be banned from freecop role through /copban, however a similar command to stop citizens from being suspected would be an advantage rather than a bad thing. :lol:
@Panda: I acknowledge that you run a good criminal group and have relations as well with others who also do, but I would have to agree with RON about those immature criminals who go around just to get attention from the cops, as I also encounter them a lot of the time.
Well sure, I never denied that they exist - merely that they don't last long in the better groups if they consistently provoke cops in such a simple and dumb manner.
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My only thoughts on this are that sometimes cops (usually new cops) abuse. Criminals are made paranoid about cops by this abuse and shoot on sight. This makes the honest cops abuse so that they are not killed instantly. It's a vicious cycle.
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I didn't seriously mean that everyone should. :lol:
It's a lament about everyone shitting on each other, especially on part of the regulars and veterans. Oh well, fixed my post. I used some wrong words anyways.
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Pepper cop scripts haven't changed since 09. We still had orange suspects and stuff like that. The problem so many Argo veterans left Argonath. I remember seeing a lot of people leave in 09. I do believe some scripts need to be removed but main problem is the players. Most of the players on Argonath think Argonath is a DM server.
We Need More Civilian Jobs!!!!!
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Pepper cop scripts haven't changed since 09. We still had orange suspects and stuff like that. The problem so many Argo veterans left Argonath. I remember seeing a lot of people leave in 09. I do believe some scripts need to be removed but main problem is the players. Most of the players on Argonath think Argonath is a DM server.
First of all, talk for yourself...
Secondly, scripts did not change a lot, but moaning raised for sure... So thats the problem of getting more moaners, not a bad script...
Why Argonath does not like a Strict Roleplay? Answer is on Humour Pages (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=3&Itemid=32&limitstart=5)
We Need More Civilian Jobs!!!!!
Maybe we just need a new civilians...
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Aragorn's right, if you want the old Argonath back, stop moaning about scripts and let admins decide..
If suspects aren't turning orange then the cops need to search a suspect through more then 100 people mostly? While there are other jobs, and about the civillian jobs, i think there are enough civillian jobs.. you just need to roleplay it. and btw more scripts = more lag
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Kitt has a point there.
But i do agree with the topic title,
the idea after it: roleplaying is very rare.
I just came back and had some great RP experiences with several people so yes it still does exists.
but its very rare.
Even the most feared and known criminals cop hunt nowadays, cop hunting is very common now.
criminals dont really see the real intention of being a criminal after the crime:
they just wait at a place for cops to come, or will start searching cops themselves instead of trying to escape.
What i have always wanted was a more harder way in becoming a cop:
like at least a passport, but what i prefer first to have a test or be part of the SAPD first.
but thats not up to me but up to the main admins, this will make the server less interesting to join first though, thats why it doesnt exists yet.
also admin response isnt always great, certainly at early times when there is a lack of admins
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Kitt has a point there.
But i do agree with the topic title,
the idea after it: roleplaying is very rare.
I just came back and had some great RP experiences with several people so yes it still does exists.
but its very rare.
Even the most feared and known criminals cop hunt nowadays, cop hunting is very common now.
criminals dont really see the real intention of being a criminal after the crime:
they just wait at a place for cops to come, or will start searching cops themselves instead of trying to escape.
What i have always wanted was a more harder way in becoming a cop:
like at least a passport, but what i prefer first to have a test or be part of the SAPD first.
but thats not up to me but up to the main admins, this will make the server less interesting to join first though, thats why it doesnt exists yet.
also admin response isnt always great, certainly at early times when there is a lack of admins
I don't mind it, I never pay attention,until that point of culmination, when they take it to public chat. Some players have an ego, sizing Himalayas, that they return hundred times from death(as police officers) and cannot beat the suspected person. Then they moan on main chat, saying: "OMG, camp, in the building, cop hunter". Or the criminals: "OMG, you returned after death 1337 times,cops suck, if I could return I keel yo omg", and they actually return just to satisfy their ego, or not knowing the rules and get kicked eventually. Process of moaning continues after they return. n my point of view, every moaner should be temporary banned for 60 minutes. If 1 full hour isn't enough for them to cool down, they shouldn't be playing this game.
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also admin response isnt always great, certainly at early times when there is a lack of admins
Admins respond and respond perfect I would say... As for lack of admins - many of them are on vacations nowadays...
As for harder cop work - its a game, why the hell we should make one of the roles be harder then others? What? Criminals shoot less and less abuse?
Its a game, not a prison... Cops already cannot breath normal on server, on every their step - tons of rules... And I will not support any further difficulties against police role...
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You guys have been lucky I've avoided this topic...Until now... I see a lot of accuses flying around about admins and cops and all this shit...
All it translates to is moan moan moan...I remember when FlameMan and I made the very first two bans for moaning in perhaps late 2008 / early 2009...But alas, that's besides the point.
As Aragorn mentioned, you want good RP? We need more citizens - who are not money hungry demanding payday 24/7...
You want good RP? Stop moaning...
You want good RP? Appreciate what we have here today, a long time ago shit was basic and it was a lot harder to make (legit) money...
You want good RP? Stop making lines between cops and criminals...Back in the old days they enjoyed working with each other to get a nice RP...Nowadays, groups like Gvardia refuse to RP with any cops against any common enemy - why? Cuz they are too badass, too uptight, too cool to tarnish their awesome reputation of being such a reputable gang...Back in the days nobody cared about rep...only about having fun...
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The most weird, here one "smartass" sits and talks about Argonath veterans that they left Argonath cos of orange blinks (what a pathetic kids in da game den)... He'd better ask himself then (if he liked that much Argonath veterans) why they joined and became veterans on this server with those "zomg bad orange blinks" and why they left with no script changes...
Waving "Old Argonath Veterans" is just a coloring own fake facts about server they play on...
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The above three posts contain very good points but I can predict that as usual, moaners won't listen to them. :)
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Even the most feared and known criminals cop hunt nowadays, cop hunting is very common now.
It's not bloody cophunting if you chase after a criminal with lights&sirens and they kill you.
'lol 3 hevy armed criminals in car lets chase after them alone'
'hahaha i shot their car with a deagle OMG THEY'RE SHOOTING AT ME WTF THEY KILLED ME /report COPHUNTING'
Sound familiar, Bianconeri?
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Yea, seriously. I once had a cop shooting at me (and hit me once). There were no cars nearby so I pulled my weapons out and killed him so I could run away to a car. He then said in main chat "wtf panda calm down". :lol:
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... every moaner should be temporary banned for 60 minutes. If 1 full hour isn't enough for them to cool down, they shouldn't be playing this game.
Upper comment is a nice suggestion.
Oliver: I agree with you, as its a daily situation. It is really horrible to see what people fight over.
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Yea, seriously. I once had a cop shooting at me (and hit me once). There were no cars nearby so I pulled my weapons out and killed him so I could run away to a car. He then said in main chat "wtf panda calm down". :lol:
I saw such cases from non-cop not once even... Tens for admin duty... Should we ban them from non-cop role and make as a punishment cop duty for them?
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Or, even better, make all cops have to pay 15k to go on duty, and they have to pay for all their own ammo.
This will make no one want to be a cop.
Problem solved.
Sorry to say but how the fuck does this solve the problem?
Instead of cops getting paid for serving the goverment and endagering their lifes, they pay a 15k fee to become one...
I thought pepper made a topic for a mature serious "RP" discussion, your 10 year old anti-police blaaba isnt not needed.
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I thought pepper made a topic for a mature serious "RP" discussion, your 10 year old anti-police blaaba isnt not needed.
Well Pepper seemed to suggest that the problem could be solved by making the criminal role shit.
I merely pointed out that the same could be said of making the cop role shit.
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I thought pepper made a topic for a mature serious "RP" discussion, your 10 year old anti-police blaaba isnt not needed.
There is no need for personal attacks here... Consider it as a non-official warning...
You can tell your opinion in a more decent way...
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As about "money hungry cops", I checked some enter fees of some mafias, amount in 2000$ impressed me... Standard fee is not less then 300... And who talks about money hunger of Police Department?
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As about "money hungry cops", I checked some enter fees of some mafias, amount in 2000$ impressed me... Standard fee is not less then 300... And who talks about money hunger of Police Department?
Those high fees are mostly casinos or ammu's in LV, I never saw that high prices in LS, I don't care about SF.
Also cops eat other cops to jail criminals o.O
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Those high fees are mostly casinos or ammu's in LV, I never saw that high prices in LS, I don't care about SF.
Phail...
It is in LS and not casino or ammunation...
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There is a lot of opinion about argonath in this topic, most of them are negative, but personally i think Argonath is just fine as it is now, it's hard to understand why some people prefer ''old argonath''. In my opinion we have the best, most advanced scripts in excistance which is way better than the old ones. And about the players, i normally don't judge people, so i don't have an opinion, i just don't see much changes except for scripts.
In my opinion you should just play the game instead of worry about minor ''problems''. Leave that to the administrators and/or above in the administration.
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Yes, it exists.. moaning exists to..
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Whenever people see a topic like this, they rush to contribute to the moan and talk about how the server, administration team, and players are all "shit" simply because they weren't able to get their way with them.
I have seen countless people moan "Argonath is ___ im leaving to another server", "Admin Team is ___ and they deserve to be demoted", and "Community here is ___ most suck at RP". However, I do not recall anyone saying "It's time to change this, guys. I need your help. Who's with me, see you ingame! :]"
How about rushing to make a change for once?
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There are ammu's in LS, I didn't say same thing for LS above as LV for LS
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Whenever people see a topic like this, they rush to contribute to the moan and talk about how the server, administration team, and players are all "shit" simply because they weren't able to get their way with them.
You also forgot to note out the moment when an owner/leader/high-leveled administrator makes out a big post which basically summarises what to do with the current topic and everyone come out and say "Well said, <Insert posters' name here>!" and so on. Sadly, none of them do anything in the meanwhile.
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You also forgot to note out the moment when an owner/leader/high-leveled administrator makes out a big post which basically summarises what to do with the current topic and everyone come out and say "Well said, <Insert posters' name here>!" and so on. Sadly, none of them do anything in the meanwhile.
I agree EVEN I don't RP all the time, I also waste my money on things like /ad [NEWS] ... . Unfortunately only one that change the truth are players, not admins/owners/devs
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"It's time to change this, guys. I need your help. Who's with me, see you ingame! :]"
Yea man, I'll go change it now brb.
Oh wait, I'm not a scripter who can script a criminal system.
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Yea man, I'll go change it now brb.
Oh wait, I'm not a scripter who can script a criminal system.
Dun Dun Duuuuuuun... Waiting for JDC's reply! , everyone shocked!
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Whenever people see a topic like this, they rush to contribute to the moan and talk about how the server, administration team, and players are all "shit" simply because they weren't able to get their way with them.
I have seen countless people moan "Argonath is ___ im leaving to another server", "Admin Team is ___ and they deserve to be demoted", and "Community here is ___ most suck at RP". However, I do not recall anyone saying "It's time to change this, guys. I need your help. Who's with me, see you ingame! :]"
How about rushing to make a change for once?
What do you mean?
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Whenever people see a topic like this, they rush to contribute to the moan and talk about how the server, administration team, and players are all "shit" simply because they weren't able to get their way with them.
I have seen countless people moan "Argonath is ___ im leaving to another server", "Admin Team is ___ and they deserve to be demoted", and "Community here is ___ most suck at RP". However, I do not recall anyone saying "It's time to change this, guys. I need your help. Who's with me, see you ingame! :]"
How about rushing to make a change for once?
That actually requires some effort, and people who sit at a PC all day =/= effort :D
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So the rp still exists yea, only people need to do it more often/better. I'm not saying i'm the best Rp'er or something.. Not at all xD but if a cops chase me and tells me to pull over (when not suspected or something), i do what he says.. because those people are Rping.. not like the most people that presses the accelerate button and drives away for them. Because that's non-rp.. IF you want a chase with the cops, at least Rp it.. like /me hides the drugs or something when cops pulls you over.. I think if people are gonna do this more often en tries their best to make a good Rp, that the moaning of people will automatisch decrease.
And also if a new players joins the cops.. and kills you out of nothing or suspects you with no reason, don't go all mad and stuff and yelling ban him or revenge killing them, etc. If those new players once got warned by a admin or so.. and they are really on the server for the Rp.. you will see that those people can become really good Rp'ers ;)
And i know i got also banned multiple times, but yea now i try to Rp good everytime, and i'm trying to follow the server rules ;).
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There is some RPing in the server, but there isnt much :\
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There is some RPing in the server, but there isnt much :\
No indeed, but that's why people need to RP more
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"Community here is ___ most suck at RP"
That's not moaning son, it's the truth.
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That's not moaning son, it's the truth.
...said the zomg reallife roleplayer.... :lol:
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Yea man, I'll go change it now brb.
Oh wait, I'm not a scripter who can script a criminal system.
What do you mean?
That actually requires some effort, and people who sit at a PC all day =/= effort :D
The biggest change that the players could possibly bring to the server is by cooperating amongst themselves for the sake of the community rather than pointing fingers and moaning constantly.
...and not necessarily through a Criminal System. :lol:
There is some RPing in the server, but there isnt much :\
That's because only few exert the effort.
If everyone who complained about lack of RP on the server struggled to make a change by contributing to bring more RP to the server, then the server will be full of RP as it is of players.
That's not moaning son, it's the truth.
I know that I am a moderator and that I am supposed to serve in ways as an example to other players, but if you will just come here to shit on us then I won't hesitate to tell you to get lost, GTFO and find some generic RP server where everyone is as "leet" as you. (emphasis on quotation marks)
If you will stay in our* community, then respect it.
* DISCLAIMER: "our" denoting the community as that inhabited by the Argonath Players, not in the sense where one claims ownership over it
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The biggest change that the players could possibly bring to the server is by cooperating amongst themselves for the sake of the community rather than pointing fingers and moaning constantly.
...and not necessarily through a Criminal System. :lol:
Well, I don't like to be a downer, but, cooperation is something not usually seen. It is visible but lets not over exaggerate.
That STILL requires effort and motivation.If only they joined forces, it would be much simpler.
I sincerely hope A.R.U.N brings improvement and more unity.
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joined forces
The term "Gvardia" just came to my mind here.
Inb4 massive arugment with many people flaming each other on a massive scale, Gvardia is not the only case of non-cooperation on the server (in this example, towards SAPD). There are many other players as well who will refuse to cooperate with other certain players and can write a book full of reasons that will only translate to "because I think they suck and I hate them".
That is one of our major problems, non-cooperation.
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...said the zomg reallife roleplayer.... :lol:
And the "zomg reallife roleplayers" are usually called the best roleplayers around by the regulars of this server. Take Julian, SeanC, Carlo Corleone, Jingle and so on for example.
Just because they might use brackets and things who aren't supported by Argonath itself, doesn't make them bad roleplayers.
Neither does it make a player not using it a bad one either.
Argonath has a very big and talanted group of people, but we have to step it up a little. Because right now, there are more about moaning and crying than ever before. It can be one of the reasons I barely play anymore. Everytime you log on, the player you play with for example cry about something, then the other guy starts, then the guy on the mainchat starts, then the whole server starts, then you log off because you think it's annoying as hell and didn't enjoy shit while you was online.
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I think moaning should be enforced as back in the time before RON went for a break.
Moaning = BAN.
Simple as hell: don't moan, play the game and have fun.
In the end, it's all virtual stuff you have and it won't make your RL any better of it.
I mean, I won't get my RL job, because I have 1,2M ingame and a good house, jester, buffalo and a maverick
They laugh at me, when I tell this at my job interview XDD
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The term "Gvardia" just came to my mind here.
Inb4 massive arugment with many people flaming each other on a massive scale, Gvardia is not the only case of non-cooperation on the server (in this example, towards SAPD). There are many other players as well who will refuse to cooperate with other certain players and can write a book full of reasons that will only translate to "because I think they suck and I hate them".
That is one of our major problems, non-cooperation.
No, just no. Why?
The game concept is like a Rubik's cube. So it means we are "moved" by an external factor. Gvardia and SAPD cannot stand each other and Code "Gvardia" explains it for itself. Anger that you fell between them is a childish play, an over night plan to revenge. It worns of the next day. The last sentence, as I see is superficial and you expect that from a young player. Mafias and police force won't get along, and I mean never. its completely natural. Working for an external cause such as community improvement could motivate them to at least confront RPly.
But as usual I don't see an end to it or an answer.
Nexxt: I suggest a tempban for player, and if they don't cool down in the meanwhile, they aren't "fit" to play this game. Ban is not a good idea, because it will increase moaning on administration. You know that there are already a lot of moaners.
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Yea man, I'll go change it now brb.
Oh wait, I'm not a scripter who can script a criminal system.
No need to script it. Just give a clear outline of how you see the role, how money should be earned, how to support the role RP, how to improve current problems of criminals.
Do this without ANY mentioning of 'more equality', 'cops should have less' or 'unfair advantage'.
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No need to script it. Just give a clear outline of how you see the role, how money should be earned, how to support the role RP, how to improve current problems of criminals.
Do this without ANY mentioning of 'more equality', 'cops should have less' or 'unfair advantage'.
Money should be earned by returning back the value of drug/weaponry businesses. Or maybe bodyguard companies? Different firms?
In these days RP is only supported by finances.Sad, but true. People cannot find any stable motivators, else then money. Someone mentions money giveaway (Small sums) and spam gets flooded in a blink of an eye, but enough with the sad statistic. I greet anyone who can find a way to support RP without involving any bribing or such.
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Money should be earned by returning back the value of drug/weaponry businesses. Or maybe bodyguard companies? Different firms?
In these days RP is only supported by finances.Sad, but true. People cannot find any stable motivators, else then money. Someone mentions money giveaway (Small sums) and spam gets flooded in a blink of an eye, but enough with the sad statistic. I greet anyone who can find a way to support RP without involving any bribing or such.
To create value there must be supply and demand. For weaponry that is not a problem, however as we closed the script abuse surprisingly weapons dealing has gone out of business... even if there still is a way to charge less as Annumation, though at marginal profit.
Fur drugs the main problem is that the demand is low. A design to change this is in progress, as is the increase of risk which should accompany it.
Your view is correct, that actually for RP you do not need any money, except some minimal sums. The issue is that many people confuse RP with farming.
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The last sentence, as I see is superficial and you expect that from a young player.
You took it literally, didn't you? I did not mean that mafias and cops should cooperate and stop fighting or that criminals should hold hands with cops and drink all night at the bar instead of doing cop and criminal work.
My point was that regardless of the kind of RP that is executed, if both sides do it properly rather than moan about the other, it will make the server a better environment. I dare you to prove me wrong.
As for the concept of external forces... it is not the only option, as improvement can also come from within. If players truly want to cooperate with each other BECAUSE they want to cooperate with each other and not just for the sake of an external mutual benefit, then they WILL cooperate with each other.
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Listen, JDC. People show perspectives and thoughts through acts too. They don't need to say that quote of yours or anything similar to show their attitude towards a specific player.I meant young players as in experience not age.They just stick to the Veterans, nagging them and trying to RP with them while judging people by /whenmade command. My post clearly shows that everything they do should commence through RP. As better as possible( Mafia vs cops)
I agree with the last sentence and I read "I don't want to be a downer ....". I've seen drug implementation thread so we can have a wider selection of drugs. I hope this increases interest into these substances once again. Weaponry issue: I meant the street dealers, not Ammunations. People believe there is no profit in it, as well as growing marijuana.
"To create value, there must be supply and demand" - Well, I don't see demand anywhere. Value is there, as drugs are still respect around Argonath, and we have suppliers where you can get them. Mostly, mafia RPers as a big unbalance occurs because mafia sucked out the drug flow. They buy all the drugs, leaving none in the circulation, and as I stated above, people think the process of making your own stash is not worthy of the risk, because of some internal factors as police patrols.
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Isn't it actually moaning what happens in this topic? :P
I mean, we already have the answer to the question but people keep arguing about it.
Just go in-game try to do your best with the Rp's on the server, and everybody is happy :3.
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Just go in-game try to do your best with the Rp's on the server, and everybody is happy :3.
Yeah, if it was that easy.
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Yeah, if it was that easy.
Well whats so hard about it? :P
But people just need to DO it.
Why not Moaning = kick (warn 1) If he keeps moaning Ban?
Maybe people get to know then that people are serious about the Roleplay part
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RP, does it even exist?
It does , if you find the right people.
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Well whats so hard about it? :P
But people just need to DO it.
Why not Moaning = kick (warn 1) If he keeps moaning Ban?
Maybe people get to know then that people are serious about the Roleplay part
If they banned all moaners, argonath would be like this
(http://i37.tinypic.com/2jesoet.png)
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If they banned all moaners, argonath would be like this
(http://i37.tinypic.com/2jesoet.png)
Don't think so :P
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Actually lately I'm having many available time to RP and really good nice RP :)
Don't judge the community for the actions of 4 or 5 persons ;)
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As long as you follow the rules, no problem with those who doesn't roleplay... Just avoid them and play with those who you know that will roleplay...
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It's damn true that the one's caring about roleplay are the one's who people call "zomg roleplayers". I can see why all these folk have just started trolling the server and the forum, they are fed up of trying to organise something then have it fucked up by some randoms. I don't get where people say the "leet" roleplayers got a shit load of rules as like you said I have yet to see them aswell yeah we use OOC & IC that's cause we'r used to using it we were taught that way or atleast bonded with it after playing alongside others who used them. Roleplay is what brought me to this server but it is slowly dying out and that is a cause for concern.
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IT's not all about cops.
People have put there nose in so much _______ that they can't think right.
I get suspected, but i do not do it for the chase.
We would get more moaners if people where continuously randomly stopped and asked "YOU SHOOT SOMEONE DEAD EARLIER?"
But yes.
WE need more civilian Jobs.
Join the Coast Guard, not fully civilian, but still, there to rescue and rp :).
Join aTc
Be a Rasta Taxi driver
Be a fireman
Be a medic and actually dissect people on the roads.
Don't be a cop 24/7
Join the FBI, but remember it's a game
Sell items
Sell food
Sell drugs
Be a hitman
RP a government official - Sf mayor taken , ty :D.
Be a news reporter
run a business- Industrial Corporation was one of my biggest projects - we mined, built, etc etc
Join a Clan and roam around finding new RP / making your own.
Become a zombie
pilot
dance for money
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Let me tell you a little story about Argonath.
I've spent almost a year now trying to convince myself that Argonath will change to something better, that Argonath will step up to another level. I've convinced old friends to stay on this server multiple times. I've tried to make some groups, like 58th Street with Julian & the rest, Vinucci, now Brown Pride and hundreds of more factions. It has taken a lot of time for me to even build up these groups, to create these topics just for this specific forum. All the time I've tried to take the roleplay up to another level, doing these kind of drug-alley topics so people could come there & by their drugs for a small amount of money. After all this time, I've finally f**king realized, that Argonath will always remain in this huge bubble, living in their own little circle.
Lets take the drug alley thingy as an example. People are always complaining about the drug marketing is about to go down to zero. Alright, I did something about it, I tried to do something about it, gave these whining puppets a shot to come there, buy their drugs and maybe be happy about the roleplay involved. Guess what, it was like five people, in total, that came around, asking for drugs. And the price was like 5$ A gram of weed. So, why the f**k are even people crying about the roleplay when the lack of roleplay is in the players of this server, even the server owners and the admins, who can't face the fact that Argonath need to change to even have a future. A future with happy players & with a lot of roleplay. The SAMP Community is dieing, slowly.
Well, yeah, the MTA:VC is still there, right, that's were Argonath got their roots. There's the HEART of roleplay. Awesomeness.
Then we have this war about the "zoomg roleplayers", where you can damn count me in with.
These players are like getting "GTFO with your reality shit" "Cencored SUCKS WE KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT ROLEPLAY". "Argonath Vision, do not destroy it with NO BLIPS" from the Argonath Owners, the "Conservative super squad" (Giac, JDC etc). It's like they're blind, blind to the fact that the roleplayers who are called "zoomg roleplayers", are really the ones who gives a flying f**k about roleplay, who wants to BE serious about it, who wants to create some sort of IG action. Let me take a few of them as example.
Julian, SeanC, Carlo Corleone, Jingle, Carhartt, Merc, Solis, Chance & a lot of others. These players, are nothing else but a pain in the ass here, their vision of roleplay is nothing here, their roleplay is total bullshit. They might have been ignorant after a while, so as I, but there's a reason about it also. The OOC/IC are completely bullshit, and is only used by retarded persons, basically. That's like the Server Owners opinion. But here's the thing, if you look at the names I wrote, they're all topclass roleplayers, all of them are or was called by the regulars here "One of the best roleplayers around". Then ask yourself again, why does their roleplay get pushed away, why in the bloody hell do their creative roleplay get pushed away?
Then we have these guys, who attempts to remain Argonath as it were, like JDC and Giac, who loves the mainchat & the zombie events, who hunts the orange guys down every time they enter the server. Yeah, they're the real roleplayers, they really got "The Vision" of roleplay. Yeah, "THE VISION", I see.
"Yeah but the zomg roleplayers got 3000 rules", yeah, of course we got them, to bad I haven't seen 'em yet.
If it wasn't for the people here, I wouldn't even put my time to write this. If it wasn't for the time I've spent, creating stuff with my imagination.. Every group I've done has been closed for the same reason, lack of roleplay and lack of interest. Guess what, I can really see that now, but I've been to convinced that Argonath will change. But I know for sure, It won't. It will crash into a f**king minefield if this continues. The roleplayers are LEAVING the server, I can make the list long, some of them are coming back to say "Hello" to their old friends & shit, but then they realize again, that Argonath is still the same. "Damn, I'm happy that I left one/two years ago."
It's still in the early 00's, doing the same, being afraid of every other vision of roleplay, becuase that's WRONG. Or like Aragorn would say "If you f**king are f**king with our f**king vision then you can f**king leave with your OOC IC shit f**king f**king f**k". No, I'm not disrespecting you, Aragorn. Just read your previous posts.
I'm not saying that there are no other ways of roleplay, but look yourself in the mirror and really think about this for a bloody second.
Realize it before it's to late. Argonath "RPG".
You can say whatever you want about this reply, but it's straight from my heart, straight from my bloody heart. If you're to blind to see these issues, then you have to be slightly retarded or you don't wanna face the truth, period.
And no, I'm not playing on the other side.
Si.
It's damn true that the one's caring about roleplay are the one's who people call "zomg roleplayers". I can see why all these folk have just started trolling the server and the forum, they are fed up of trying to organise something then have it f**ked up by some randoms. I don't get where people say the "leet" roleplayers got a shit load of rules as like you said I have yet to see them aswell yeah we use OOC & IC that's cause we'r used to using it we were taught that way or atleast bonded with it after playing alongside others who used them. Roleplay is what brought me to this server but it is slowly dying out and that is a cause for concern.
si.
Btw, are you QUE?
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Yes, Pepper.
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Yes, Pepper.
58TH FOR LIFE, ESE.
what's your name IG, we need RP man.
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I COMPLETELY agree with Woody's post. To be completely honest I've given up with roleplaying seriously all the time - I have like two-three serious roleplay scenarios a WEEK. Most of the time I'm just hanging out with my friends or doing SWAT trainings. I've had a lot of fun roleplay situations but most of them have ended up in a shootout, either caused by some loller pissing us off or some cop thinking that every time five fully-armoured guys are together their intentions are DM.
I've played in censored and I had absolutely no contacts there when I started. I just rolled up to Jefferson where I saw a group of people hanging around roleplaying, I roleplayed myself into the crowd and was accepted by them basically straight away. Never was I called a noob when I was new in censored.
Probably the people who are called retards/noobs in censored are the people that are part of the 'super loller omgvision team' who went around ruining others' roleplay and pissing them off.
Que, you know your words are falling on deaf ears, don't you? The 'conservative ZOMG super lol squad' is never going to change their ways and will NEVER agree with you, no matter how much time or effort you put in a post.
P.S. If you roleplay a zombie, expect to be shot on sight. Do not moan if you get killed immediately.
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I can answer you why those who WERE a good players here turn against Argonath vision later...
Its simple - they are changing... Argonath does not change... The roleplay which is now the several levels HIGHER then the roleplay the same Carhartt met here when he just registered on server...
But that time there were no moaners...
Now you moan about everything... I also know the reason of that...
You were never server owners (if were and still here then you were not succeeded) to understand and to know what is the community of players from 12 to 50...
Let me introduce you some stuff...
1. GIVE US MORE CIVILIAN JOBS!
There were... And most of YOU all, mein lieben zomg roleplayers, did not even get any of it... We supported several ideas and implemented it into RS2 script... There WERE jobs... For example I was getting a lot of crying moaning about truck missions/jobs... I heard a lot... Players were swearing they will be goddamn happy with it... They created a special truck company... The script was for THEM, for YOU... And what? Who used this job in past? None of you, company was already "closed", and... Guess what...
You, mein lieben zomg roleplayers, started fucking moaning about difficulties to upload stocks to shops... Cos for that you, mein lieben zomg roleplayers, needed to hire some truck driver, or to go find a truck yourself, to drive the hell over San Andreas after trailer, to drive it back with no problems... Appeared a topic "Truck missions are not a real life roleplay!"
BTW the one who actually used the truck and trailer was Nitr0x_Stracci, whom most of you hate and call "deathmatcher" and surely moan on... He just asked me how it works and without crying Stracci delivered their stock from docks...
This is only one example of what was before...
You want jobs/missions... Scripters even here decided to answer you with positive and?.. Argonath is slowly changing into the single player mod... Take a personality, go to mission, remove fire, get money, enjoy... THIS you call that zomg leet roleplay? Which jobs you want from us in a GTA MULTIPLAYER? What you want to be scripted? And why the fuck you cannot roleplay it youself? Without server forsing you to do it?
2. Why do owners not support you, mein lieben zomg roleplayers?
Because you want everyone on server play the game in the way YOU want... Did you listen or tried to understand others position on server? F**king no... There are 100 players on server... And all should be like dumbs with GPS navigation? 100 players = 100 opinions...
100 opinions... And what I see? Here are sitting 5-6 opinions and DEMAND the server work THEIR way of wishes...
3. Argonath changed?
Yes... Appeared single-mod styled missions (Players started playing with themselves), zomg leet roleplayers already f**ked up all atmosphere on server with their crying and screaming...
Once they started reporting players, it went as a wave... Becoming bigger and bigger...
I was lol-ed when I saw some of YOURs reports to admins...
"Here is a new guy just entered in LS airport and he dming me with the fists"...
What kind of hell you forgot there in the spawn place of new players? Reporting them about not knowing the rules?
Weren't that YOU, mein lieben zomg roleplayers, who demanded to show the rules in the start of server? And what? Is that for going to airport and reporting the newbie about him not following the rules?
I could continue this list of all things moaners pissed me of... But it will take a lot of my time...
I am probably the last standing developer/owner, who still wastes time on trying to explain our positions... But it is cos I already had a rest from server, which became be just awful from moaning, and now I am back with normal positive... Which can turn into negative after getting it (negative) from you, mein lieben zomg roleplayers...
Thanks for reading...
But more thanks to those who will understand at least half...
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-_- not this again...
Let's just forget all the bad things and just role-play on...
I'll give it a start. I hope someone continues this : /me throws a potato at the next person who posts here
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I can answer you why those who WERE a good players here turn against Argonath vision later...
Its simple - they are changing... Argonath does not change... The roleplay which is now the several levels HIGHER then the roleplay the same Carhartt met here when he just registered on server...
But that time there were no moaners...
Now you moan about everything... I also know the reason of that...
You were never server owners (if were and still here then you were not succeeded) to understand and to know what is the community of players from 12 to 50...
Let me introduce you some stuff...
1. GIVE US MORE CIVILIAN JOBS!
There were... And most of YOU all, mein lieben zomg roleplayers, did not even get any of it... We supported several ideas and implemented it into RS2 script... There WERE jobs... For example I was getting a lot of crying moaning about truck missions/jobs... I heard a lot... Players were swearing they will be goddamn happy with it... They created a special truck company... The script was for THEM, for YOU... And what? Who used this job in past? None of you, company was already "closed", and... Guess what...
You, mein lieben zomg roleplayers, started f**king moaning about difficulties to upload stocks to shops... Cos for that you, mein lieben zomg roleplayers, needed to hire some truck driver, or to go find a truck yourself, to drive the hell over San Andreas after trailer, to drive it back with no problems... Appeared a topic "Truck missions are not a real life roleplay!"
BTW the one who actually used the truck and trailer was Nitr0x_Stracci, whom most of you hate and call "deathmatcher" and surely moan on... He just asked me how it works and without crying Stracci delivered their stock from docks...
This is only one example of what was before...
You want jobs/missions... Scripters even here decided to answer you with positive and?.. Argonath is slowly changing into the single player mod... Take a personality, go to mission, remove fire, get money, enjoy... THIS you call that zomg leet roleplay? Which jobs you want from us in a GTA MULTIPLAYER? What you want to be scripted? And why the f**k you cannot roleplay it youself? Without server forsing you to do it?
2. Why do owners not support you, mein lieben zomg roleplayers?
Because you want everyone on server play the game in the way YOU want... Did you listen or tried to understand others position on server? F**king no... There are 100 players on server... And all should be like dumbs with GPS navigation? 100 players = 100 opinions...
100 opinions... And what I see? Here are sitting 5-6 opinions and DEMAND the server work THEIR way of wishes...
3. Argonath changed?
Yes... Appeared single-mod styled missions (Players started playing with themselves), zomg leet roleplayers already f**ked up all atmosphere on server with their crying and screaming...
Once they started reporting players, it went as a wave... Becoming bigger and bigger...
I was lol-ed when I saw some of YOURs reports to admins...
"Here is a new guy just entered in LS airport and he dming me with the fists"...
What kind of hell you forgot there in the spawn place of new players? Reporting them about not knowing the rules?
Weren't that YOU, mein lieben zomg roleplayers, who demanded to show the rules in the start of server? And what? Is that for going to airport and reporting the newbie about him not following the rules?
I could continue this list of all things moaners pissed me of... But it will take a lot of my time...
I am probably the last standing developer/owner, who still wastes time on trying to explain our positions... But it is cos I already had a rest from server, which became be just awful from moaning, and now I am back with normal positive... Which can turn into negative after getting it (negative) from you, mein lieben zomg roleplayers...
Thanks for reading...
But more thanks to those who will understand at least half...
Aragorn....man.....i am ashamed of myself if i dissapoint you guys as server owners or even a fellow community member. I come here to roleplay in anyway shape or form with friends. I myself am very grateful that the server owners provide me with a decent server to reside in. I also am grateful that i have been able to meet so many good people. I honestly think people need to realize this community is to have fun, not force things on other people or think they are the best. We as community members must realize that playing on Argonath, which is kept going by the Developers, is a privilege not a right and must respect that and cherish it day by day.
Bring them Potatoes Trobby, im Irish anyway :D , i can cook up some mean Fried Potatoes and some great Baked Potatoes.
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Great posts, Aragorn.
Let us continue this.
"Argonath will not change, it's going to be like this" - That's why the roleplay is on it's way to move away from the server. Sad but true.
When you say WE do not accept any other styles of roleplay?
Who do you mean by US? I, myself, do accept them other styles, which is completely right to me. I used to teach several players to become good roleplayers. Some of the persons I named in my previous post are some quite good teachers. Let me take Malcolm the admin for example, It was me and him roleplaying together back in 08', I helped him with his roleplay. Take Diddeh as another example, which I thaught like a half year ago. Look at him now.
WE do not claim that everyone should roleplay as us, everyone is different. But as you, Aragorn, hate our type of roleplay, for some particular reason, because it's not in "the Vision", I simply don't get it.
Some people might be like this, I have seriously no clue, because I can't be arsed talking to people who can't accept other types of roleplay. If the world's roleplay would be that plain, I wouldn't even enter GTA. If you look at it the oposite side, I've seen several times when the Conservative super squad are like "OMG HE CAME TO ME AND DID THESE BRACKETS I WAS LOL'ING AND WALKED AWAY THEN I SHOT HIM CUZZ HE COOL". But yeah, we get the bullshit about that we do not accept other ways of roleplay. Vince and Pancher are two few examples of good roleplayers, who is highly respected by me for their politeness and roleplay.
Like I stated, there are other ways of roleplay, but these days, these other ways is barely roleplay no more. It's hardly seen by the players.
Another thing. Lets continue with this moaning part, like everyone has an issue with.
If there's so much moaning about these stuff, about just these things, who everybody just hate, whines and cries about. Why not look over it? It might be a time for a change?
It's not the 06' anymore, neither is it the same players. Lets try without orange names, try without "knowing" the guys name above the head.
"Argonath will remain the same" - Yeah, it might will, but the players who really enjoyed it ain't here anymore. The SAMP Community/Roleplay is about to change drastically, if people can't realize this, then damn.. I'm very sorry for you. We have these players, who WANT Argonath to be as it is, but they're the minority. Also, they do not r o l e p l a y, they do not give a damn about roleplaying.
It's all about this chatting and events who makes them enter the server. But when I started this server in 07' or something, I was here for the roleplay. For the atmosphere around it, when it all started up good. I've convinced myself like "It's going to change, I know it, it is going".
But I've finally realized that.. YOU do not want to change, because you're to afraid to see the fact and the truth about it all.
"Do not force roleplay" - Here comes my favorite. I really love this statement.
Forcing roleplay aka Powergaming - is BAD, becuase that's another vision, but then you'd look at it and say "Hey, isn't it the same thing as "Do not force roleplay". Well, f**king yes, it is.
Maybe not to hundred, but it gives the same message. Then we have this wonderful command, which I highly love. "/su". "Forcing roleplay IS NOT allowed", yeah, but the whole server is built on a command, which forces YOU to either roleplay with cops, or die.
This command, even though it has been here for forever, is in multiple eyes, a bad one.
The cops vs criminal scenerio is like this: You maybe do something, you could basically random hit someone without any purpose of it. You get suspected for it, and you're like "Oh my god, come on", You start to get mad because of the whole orange name thingy. Then you like get these ten cops rushing towards you and like "SURRENDER SURRENDER DO /GU", then you like walk another step and gets shot in the back. I mean come the f**k on, you randomly hit a guy, and now you get shot in the f**king back for it? After this, you either are very upset by moaning and whine on mainchat or to admins, get a warning for YOUR behaviour, which is truely understandable, or you finally "GUED" like the wanted. You give up, a random cop drives you to the station, then you go inside, get jailed and it's out. - Here's the real C VS. R scenario. Is this roleplay? Then I have no clue about what roleplay is, I certainly don't. This is forced, and it's forced to max. But the server has an rule about forcing roleplay?
No, criminals are slightly retarded as well sometimes, but I took this from my own view when I enter the game, not after some punk running around shooting whoever just for the coolness inside of him, like everyone adores.
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Que, you know your words are falling on deaf ears, don't you? The 'conservative ZOMG super lol squad' is never going to change their ways and will NEVER agree with you, no matter how much time or effort you put in a post.
Yeah, I've noticed. "The vision", lol.
The rest of the players I used to play with, have either changed server, or quit the game.
It's only me and a few left, and it feels so ridiculous that a so talanted server goes down because of the arrogant decision to keep everything as it always been.
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The player you name are partially banned due to their shitty attitude towards ther server. And you yourself have displayed the same, including failing at creating what you want to turn Argonath in to... so yeah we should change in to something you failed at...
We do not 'hate' people who use brackets or specific styles. What we hate is people who hav no imagination and there for can only moan about there not being tons of scripts to help them as they can not walk by them selves.
About /su ... simple... nobody is requiring you to break the law or act as badass towards cops. Want to kill people without paying the price ? Go to another server that allows it. Want to talk shit and not get suspected ? Find a server where cops are not allowed to do so.
Cops are not allowed to suspect you unless you break (non-existing) laws. So instead of breaking laws try to be not a criminal and not a cop... but that would take imagination...
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To bad that you can't face the truth about our attitude.
Do you really think that we, from nowhere, became jerks and whiners?
You can say whatever you'd like about MY attitude, but I talk from my heart with these posts, and not sneaking around. Which is better, right?
I'm not talking for myself when I post the previous, some people are just to afraid to even take a discussion and are hiding IG with their opinion or on msn.
As Oliver said, I'm talking to deaf ears.
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About /su ... simple... nobody is requiring you to break the law or act as badass towards cops.
With today cops, you will be /su'ed for Gang activity, aka standing and smoking a cigarette with other people from the gang.
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HARDER DEEPER FASTER!!!!
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This, is total bullshit, dont tell us we left/got banned due to our attitude.
1. If we got banned we did it on purpose, like i did.
2. We left because we got angry due to the admin team + the redicoules cops/non-rpers. Wich is 80% of the player population.
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Argonath should be really changed, Aragorn, Gandalf you just shouldn't protect your "original vision" you should follow what Que says, or we will stay in the small circle with no steps forward. I also really like Argonath, but I currently don't like the current "vision" of it, as there's zero roleplay, and I'm not going to leave as it is, I'll try to help Argonath out, because I care about this server
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Argonath should be really changed, Aragorn, Gandalf you just shouldn't protect your "original vision" you should follow what Que says, or we will stay in the small circle with no steps forward. I also really like Argonath, but I currently don't like the current "vision" of it, as there's zero roleplay, and I'm not going to leave as it is, I'll try to help Argonath out, because I care about this server
If we are staying in a small circle, then how come our community does grow bigger even as we speak? Also how does Argonath vision neglects people from role playing?
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Never really thought I'd ever again see you here.
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If we are staying in a small circle, then how come our community does grow bigger even as we speak? Also how does Argonath vision neglects people from role playing?
Community grows, but the lack of RP stays. People seem to join this server as "Wow, a server with friendly chatters and some scripts to fool around with. Suits me". Then why the hell the "RPG" suffix is put near the server name?
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Bullshit as it is... here are more those who are from old times and still are here, because there is no another server with that possibilities for ALL kinds of roleplay... As i mentioned before - developers even included the "self-miisions"... And it is on multiplayer which is actually created to operate with other players (not with missions)
Those who left? as Gandalf said correct - those, who were banned for shitting us when could not turn Argonath in THEIR way...
They were coming on our server, which those times had even less scripts, oriented on zomg roleplayers, and they were having fun here... Until... Until they did not start trying to change things due to their boredom...
I saw on my practice many "good-bye forever topics"... And still players are coming back... Of cos, after checking other servers, got excited then after some time got bored (as any other server), they are some how coming back here...
Example: the same Omri... Who got banned here multiple times, flaming our roleplay, supporting idea of leet roleplayers who are under press of Argonath owners (what a bullshit), spreading shit about Argonath non roleplay server... Where is Omri now? Still here...
Question: do you guys really like mazo-life?
About roleplay of Argonath...
For OUR leet roleplayers it is difficult...
1. This server has a grand admins system... Such protection does not exist on any other server... Of cos its difficult to "make" money here...
2. This server does not support the system of auto paydays, which is implemented on zomg roleplay servers... Where players just camping and getting money for sitting on server (hooray payday)
3. Moaning about REAL LIFE roleplay?
Lets see it in REAL LIFE style... If you are those zomg REAL LIFE experts on samp...
For now the inflation on Argonath I do believe is 90%... When government prints money more then citizens provide the products...
Did I go too far from real life? I hope, you have enough imagination to understand this "attack on real life roleplay"... Social payments of government are going through paydays and events, organized specially for citizens to get money...
Where are those millionaires of real life roleplay who sponsored any event? Nowhere... If this server would be based on REAL LIFE - inflation would just brake Argonath country faster then hackers...
3. Not enough jobs? Lets see...
- Argonath has amount of stable jobs: police, taxi driver, limo driver, train driver, bus driver, medics, hookers, hitman...
- Argonath has all types of cars for you
- Argonath has all types of interiors for you
- Argonath gives you possibility of any buildings in San Andreas
- Argonath has all types of massDMsafety weapons
- Argonath has weed/heroin script
What you need for roleplay?
I can tell you what... You need a missions scripts so that you can on your own make money without involving other players... Why? Simple explanation here...
"Other servers have a weapon seller job!" Excuse me? What you need for weapon sell? Money from one side and weapons from other side... That is all... Does Argonath have it? Read the list of possibilities above...
Answer: yes... What Argonath does not have? A mission... Get weapons, drive to check point, unload weapons, get amount of money (hooray!)... Then what Argonath suggests? Get weapons and try to sell it... If you, excuse me, suck in trades - that is not Argonath's sucking roleplay...
Erm, anyone gets idea?
Seeds and weeds... Growing weed, then what? Use it or sell it... Omg you again have no mission for cheap and fast money... :gd: Again needs some effort to find anyone who will buy it... Ah, Argonath sucks in drug dealing jobs!...
Erm?
Even more...
Want to make a newspaper? Which provides some jobs at once - from photographer to editor? No problems... Did government deny any payment which was asked? No...
Want to make bus tours and have no money to make others be interested in? Did government support you? yes...
Want to try yourself as cop? What are the problems? try... Making cops role "zomg leet" you made a problem for all cops...
And say f**king "thanks" to newbies who take this dirty work and play as cops on server... Cos only they can handle that amount of moaning at their side... And strong roleplayers from the old times... All others report on everyone including cops in their car and admins...
Who was screaming about putting trains and planes on server? Our leet roleplayers...
Now this transport is on server... And where are those zomg leet ideas about avia companies and train depos?
Now I can answer the main thing...
Moaning and complaining about Argonath RPG those leet roleplayers who have a short memory...
And I can say - EVERY server has problems with such sclerotic gamers... Everywhere is the same moaning, reporting each other, trolling and flame... Everywhere are the same people who poison the atmosphere on servers... And among them there are many those, who came on Argonath after being banned for such behavior on other servers... The same as there are moaning those who were banned here...
Wanna perfect server? Think it can be existed?
Go ahead - make one...
After 1 month you will get in fight between each other as well... Do not believe me?
Try...
Thank you...
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Argonath should be really changed, Aragorn, Gandalf you just shouldn't protect your "original vision" you should follow what Que says, or we will stay in the small circle with no steps forward.
You better first ask Que where is his own server? Then we will see do you have a point here to demand from us to make things as Que says...
I also really like Argonath, but I currently don't like the current "vision" of it, as there's zero roleplay, and I'm not going to leave as it is, I'll try to help Argonath out, because I care about this server
Omg how many samaritans here... They come on Argonath to help it to become a roleplaying server...
This is probly the reason why leet roleplayers connect and play here for years... :gd:
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Isn't it actually moaning what happens in this topic? :P
Forgot to say about you.
Moaning =/= argument
Moaning =/= discussion.
The term moaning is so overused in Argonath, as the term troll is overused in the interwebs.
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You better first ask Que where is his own server? Then we will see do you have a point here to demand from us to make things as Que says...
Wait, what server?
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Community grows, but the lack of RP stays. People seem to join this server as "Wow, a server with friendly chatters and some scripts to fool around with. Suits me". Then why the hell the "RPG" suffix is put near the server name?
Because you are able to role play here. Those friendly chatters does not interfere with your role playing now do they? And if you would use your imagination then you can imagine those friendly chatters as normal citizens on the street of San Andreas.
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To bad that you can't face the truth about our attitude.
Your attitude has always been the same... shitting about RP and still playing.
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Omg how many samaritans here... They come on Argonath to help it to become a roleplaying server...
This is probly the reason why leet roleplayers connect and play here for years... :gd:
I think there's a big gap between RP and RPG o.O
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I think there's a big gap between RP and RPG o.O
No Sprunk, complains were exactly about real life roleplay, mentioning what cops do in real life and what do others in real life... That is why I suggested to see it as the real life...
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Your attitude has always been the same... shitting about RP and still playing.
It is just a voluntarism... The plan is: to come on some shitty server named Argonath RPG and make it the real awesome real life server...
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For me, ArgonathRPG stays the best place to role-play, however i chose the cop role from my first day.. i tried many other jobs, i was a criminal, pimp, zombie killer, hitman, japanese mafia leader, priest etc.. and if i would be in a different community/servers, i could never try these roles. People do change, i changed also since i joined in 2007, in the first year i never went of from cop duty, i was patroling non-stop because i loved that. Then i tried different jobs because the cop role started to be boring, but i always found my place in the community. And now i cant play that much as i used to, but im taking part of leading SAPD and working more on ARPD forums.. trying to organise my units on the server, because that makes me happy.
If people would finally realise what makes them happy, maybe they would stop moaning. ArgonathRPG gives you freedom, dont change it.
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For me, ArgonathRPG stays the best place to role-play, however i chose the cop role from my first day.. i tried many other jobs, i was a criminal, pimp, zombie killer, hitman, japanese mafia leader, priest etc.. and if i would be in a different community/servers, i could never try these roles. People do change, i changed also since i joined in 2007, in the first year i never went of from cop duty, i was patroling non-stop because i loved that. Then i tried different jobs because the cop role started to be boring, but i always found my place in the community. And now i cant play that much as i used to, but im taking part of leading SAPD and working more on ARPD forums.. trying to organise my units on the server, because that makes me happy.
If people would finally realise what makes them happy, maybe they would stop moaning. ArgonathRPG gives you freedom, dont change it.
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Aragorn, your posts are 100% solid truth...If only people would read & understand them...
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Your attitude has always been the same... shitting about RP and still playing.
It's the community who brings people here, not the roleplay.
That's why I am even around, I'm more on the forum than I am IG.
Do you think we all just changed and went into "jerks" for no particular reason, Gandalf?
- Aragorn (I wont qoute the big reply, since it will be to massive).
Yeah, the script is not the issue, imo.
The issue is basically the Vision of roleplay.
Wait, what server?
A server I made with a 14 year old guy while I was doing drugs at the most. The funny part was that the guy couldn't even script, so we basically had to steal players from Argonath to get famous.And we recruited players to script for us. It's kinda funny when you look back at it to be honest. Was like 08' or something, can't really remember. :lol:
You better first ask Que where is his own server? Then we will see do you have a point here to demand from us to make things as Que says...
I don't demand anything from you, Aragorn.
The point is that I want you to see my opinion with a open heart.
I want you to understand that most of the players are not as they were, and usually, they do not change without a reason. As we are adults both of us, we could have this on a civil manner, which you've seen by yourself by now.
I took up things I want you to look at, and ask yourself something about.
Everything you wrote, I took my time, read it, and thought about it for a second.
Thank you.
Also, here's a little quote from today, as we speak.
You said we do not accept any other type of roleplay.
I remember Quaz from the begining, he didn't know much, we thaught him about roleplay, let him chill out with us. Look at him now.
Indeed, but still, I'm so happy you 58th Street Conecta guys picked me up and taught me some about RP. :)
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You actually made my day. :lol:
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this is proof how much people from argonathrpg who are good rp leave i hope u can read it bye bye bye bye bye :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5464/naamloos2q.jpg) (http://img84.imageshack.us/i/naamloos2q.jpg/)
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No Sprunk, complains were exactly about real life roleplay, mentioning what cops do in real life and what do others in real life... That is why I suggested to see it as the real life...
I've been to loads of RL-RP servers and admins are all "OMG RP OR BAN" , I got banned from all for same reason "MGing, PGing, doesn't RP = BAAAGHNN" . I think you should pray admins here... You should check my warn/tempbans and see how I look at the situation "friendly".
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(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5464/naamloos2q.jpg) (http://img84.imageshack.us/i/naamloos2q.jpg/)
Thanks for summarizing our 58th street experience.
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Guys, as Vice has stated: Freedom is what makes Argonath RPG unique.
No one's stopping you from roleplaying as a cop, as a firefighter, as a medic, as a hobo, as an animal, as a military leader, as a zombie, as an alien, etc..
Want me to continue?
No one's stopping you from roleplaying during the All Saints Zombie Virus, participating in a massive evacuation of Montgomery and Palomino Creek due to radiation pollution, surviving a massive 2012-styled disaster, finding safety from Hurricane Sauron when it destroyed the Sherman Dam and flooded the state, stopping the Axis from invading Las Venturas in World War III, or defending the citizens of Argonath during Operation: Jericho against hackers and deathmatchers.
Remember this? A World of Its Own. If you don't like our "imagination", then leave..
:ps: That "comic" actually portrayed that you didn't want to roleplay with that poor little freecop fella.. :(
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No one's stopping you from roleplaying during the All Saints Zombie Virus, participating in a massive evacuation of Montgomery and Palomino Creek due to radiation pollution, surviving a massive 2012-styled disaster, finding safety from Hurricane Sauron when it destroyed the Sherman Dam and flooded the state, stopping the Axis from invading Las Venturas in World War III, or defending the citizens of Argonath during Operation: Jericho against hackers and deathmatchers.
:ps: That "comic" actually portrayed that you didn't want to roleplay with that poor little freecop fella.. :(
1) Woow, eemageeneyshun!!!
2) Yeh, in the comic, he just want to investigate you but you say "Nah I'm not in the mood", what could he do to answer "Oh I see ur bisy, so I go, ceeyaaa!" ?
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1) Woow, eemageeneyshun!!!
2) Yeh, in the comic, he just want to investigate you but you say "Nah I'm not in the mood", what could he do to answer "Oh I see ur bisy, so I go, ceeyaaa!" ?
lol, so true
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Guys, as Vice has stated: Freedom is what makes Argonath RPG unique.
No one's stopping you from roleplaying as a cop, as a firefighter, as a medic, as a hobo, as an animal, as a military leader, as a zombie, as an alien, etc..
Want me to continue?
No one's stopping you from roleplaying during the All Saints Zombie Virus, participating in a massive evacuation of Montgomery and Palomino Creek due to radiation pollution, surviving a massive 2012-styled disaster, finding safety from Hurricane Sauron when it destroyed the Sherman Dam and flooded the state, stopping the Axis from invading Las Venturas in World War III, or defending the citizens of Argonath during Operation: Jericho against hackers and deathmatchers.
Remember this? A World of Its Own. If you don't like our "imagination", then leave..
:ps: That "comic" actually portrayed that you didn't want to roleplay with that poor little freecop fella.. :(
The only thing stopping you from RP is others.....others who do not RP roughly 89% of the server.
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this is proof how much people from argonathrpg who are good rp leave i hope u can read it bye bye bye bye bye :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5464/naamloos2q.jpg) (http://img84.imageshack.us/i/naamloos2q.jpg/)
Vato 1 seems like a real douchebag to me. If you don't want to role play with a cop, stay calm and not flip him off and be quite frankly hostile toward him.
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You think so because you Seeriiouuuws RP, others that 1337 RP seems like they cannot RP >.<
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It's the community who brings people here, not the roleplay.
That's why I am even around, I'm more on the forum than I am IG.
Do you think we all just changed and went into "jerks" for no particular reason, Gandalf?
I do not see any change from your attitude in 2008 and your attitude now.
You did not change one little bit....
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I do not see any change from your attitude in 2008 and your attitude now.
You did not change one little bit....
You're wrong, trust me with that.
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Keep them coming, seems like we never miss these topics.
Why don't ZOMG Rers role play like ZOMG RPers and leave the rest to RP as they want. This should be a choice, freedom of character, freedom of RP, I don't see the reason why turning this topic in RP styles, posting all this. You aren't the only ZOMG RPer on the server, Que. Go IG and find people who are RPers. Simple as it is. If you were that willing you could have LEARNED a player or HELP him to enhancing his skills. If not then stick to other leet RPers.
Gandalf: Judging a player behind a screen is not accurate don't you think?
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Jesus people not again this...
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Roleplay exists. It's just blind people here that don't seem to notice it, and sticks to themselves.
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Roleplay exists. It's just blind people here that don't seem to notice it, and sticks to themselves.
Can't you just stop being schizofrenic, seriously? Or make up one personality that you stick with.
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Can't you just stop being schizofrenic, seriously? Or make up one personality that you stick with.
Yeah, hi. That's me above there.
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Keep them coming, seems like we never miss these topics.
Why don't ZOMG Rers role play like ZOMG RPers and leave the rest to RP as they want. This should be a choice, freedom of character, freedom of RP, I don't see the reason why turning this topic in RP styles, posting all this. You aren't the only ZOMG RPer on the server, Que. Go IG and find people who are RPers. Simple as it is. If you were that willing you could have LEARNED a player or HELP him to enhancing his skills. If not then stick to other leet RPers.
Gandalf: Judging a player behind a screen is not accurate don't you think?
That's what I've done for the last two years.
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Fire against Fire, what people do here is this
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I see two classes of people as one of the biggest problems in the community.
1. Moaners
2. People who try to "change Argo to superzomg1337 RP server cos rp here is suck"
Also, in that comic, Vato1 is a typical example of someone who is "too cool to RP with that noob freecop"... actually he is just an arrogant douche.
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I see two classes of people as one of the biggest problems in the community.
1. Moaners
2. People who try to "change Argo to superzomg1337 RP server cos rp here is suck"
Also, in that comic, Vato1 is a typical example of someone who is "too cool to RP with that noob freecop"... actually he is just an arrogant douche.
Everyone has to start as a freecop, nothing is going to change the reality that people can't start directly from SAPD and be cool RP cop >.<
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Yeah, lets all be zombies.
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YEAH! Survivors vs. Zombies, a great reason to DM - "BUT I WAS RPING SURVIVIN ZOMBEEH"
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Everyone has to start as a freecop, nothing is going to change the reality that people can't start directly from SAPD and be cool RP cop >.<
So non-SAPD cops are not "cool RP cops"?
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No I meant to say that he doesn't want to RP with freecops, for him freecops are lame.
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No I meant to say that he doesn't want to RP with freecops, for him freecops are lame.
No.
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Gandalf: Judging a player behind a screen is not accurate don't you think?
It is the only way we can judge people.
Just read back the pleads Que made in 2008 and what he writes now...no difference.
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Is there a way to remove the screen for all?
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Is there a way to remove the screen for all?
Yeah, destroy the internet or cause a cataclysmic disaster that forces all of humanity to live in a single community, thus doing away with the distance which was breached by the internet.
No one's taking my post seriously... are they? D:
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Actually I announced our position (the owners of portal)... Do not like it - nobody forces you to stay here...
Now there should be a dot and I finish with this thread...
Among those who are crying here - people, who had their own servers in the past but failed...
1. I would like to tell you, guys: be a f**king men with balls and respect THIS COMMUNITY for managing all this time things you could not manage yourself... Cos for me it looks just like a jealous bastards who failed and now try to spread a poison on lucky ones...
2. Also be a f**king men with the balls to face the fact: you spread a shit cos you think you look cool here (sure, woofing at owners - no need to have brains at all)... You are playing here cos we rock, but success of others - read the point 1... You just do not want to tell it openly that you play here cos you like this place... It is not that cool as shitting the owners, of cos...
3. Be a f**king men with balls to face the fact: if you cannot handle the relations with 40-100 players (less of cos, for you) around you on server - who the f**k are you to teach us, the owners of popular portal (6000 members) what we should do and that we develop community in a wrong way?
okthnxby