2. Argonath gives equal rights to new, experienced and admin players. We do not discriminate between players, and having admin rights or being a long time player does not give any of our players rights to act as better, higher or having more status as another.
Yup, agreed, then people argue AGAINST ideas using the idea of the Argonath Vision and distorting it.And Argonath Vision is Argonath holy book.
Compared to Terrorism for example, they 'say' their God make them blow things up, when realistically they are distorting the words in their Holy Book.
It is implemented.
Don't blame the game, blame the player. (in this case, ARPD)
Would you rather everyone gets saame amount of weapons such as high powered SMG and death and DM and such trouble by new players with these extreme weapons, or like it is now?Actually I would not mind. It would be much easier and faster for admins to catch the DMers, as when they have less powerful weapons it is harder to spot them.
Besides. It takes someone a week or two to get a higher status than ARPD Officer considering everyone can get accepted easy now. Curse if you really want the ARPD officers [including yourself] to receive these weapons tell them to apply and wait for a reply.
Actually I would not mind. It would be much easier and faster for admins to catch the DMers, as when they have less powerful weapons it is harder to spot them.
Also those who like to play tough guys might be more willing to cooperate with ARPD if they knew for sure they have a heavy weapon.
Agreed, especially with he Admin part, I see lots of dmers who get left alone because the admin (don't blame them) do not see the actual offense.Ask the Chief of ARPD. He determines the direction.
So can we have it now and same color name for all please.
Although I might respect what SAPD does and its officers, I do not care whether or not people where applying (I believe they changed the color names because people where not applying for SAPD)
Please and thank-you, you have to listen to me you know.
Gandy, you have no choice to give freecops SMG to meet the vision but you're an owner? :eek:In order to have a more diverse leadership we have handed the directions of ARPD to the leader, and he happens to be the guy who scripted most of the current system. He also is inactive at this time :devroll:
I think cPancher what he means is that you don't have to give ARPD officers SMG's in order for Argonath Vision to be implemented in server. What you can do is remove SMG's from SAPD and have them the same kind of weapons that ARPD officers have, so does not matter what kind of cop you are, you only have your free deagle, pepper spray and nightstick.Deam, there are IDEA's topic for IDEA's that you can post your proposal of changes :)ops must get only deagle for free.
If everything was fair, then why would i want to spend my time working for my officer rank if it gave me no advantage at all?Well SAPD would still exist and the hierarchy in it so for example if you are part of SAPD, then Pancher could still order other SAPD officers around and make plans on how to recapture a house or so.
If everything was fair, then why would i want to spend my time working for my officer rank if it gave me no advantage at all?So the point why you decided to have rank is free smg...?
So the point why you decided to have rank is free smg...?
You got dark blue name and you have some more power than cadet or ARPD officer.
Actually I would not mind. It would be much easier and faster for admins to catch the DMers, as when they have less powerful weapons it is harder to spot them.But you also should think of the casualties. Put yourself in the perspective of one being DMed. You would rather want to face against a Deagle because it is harder to get good accuracy and has low shot difference, compared to lets say SMG, which shoots a lot of bullets and sprays, making it harder to escape.
Also those who like to play tough guys might be more willing to cooperate with ARPD if they knew for sure they have a heavy weapon.
But you also should think of the casualties. Put yourself in the perspective of one being DMed. You would rather want to face against a Deagle because it is harder to get good accuracy and has low shot difference, compared to lets say SMG, which shoots a lot of bullets and sprays, making it harder to escape.
Kenny, VCPD exists and every cop has the same rights there as any VCPD officer.
and here i thought we discussing SA:MPYou think SAMP is an exceptional place in Argonath that shouldn't have Argonath vision implied on? Also the example was made to show you that server would work if all cops would have the same rights.
You think SAMP is an exceptional place in Argonath that shouldn't have Argonath vision implied on? Also the example was made to show you that server would work if all cops would have the same rights.
Beside I have gone trough this discussion with you and JDC. Then was it about UC rights.
People will make their own police groups, i will be giving out $5000 ticket at every traffic stop, jail people, have heavy wepaons driver any car play corrupt do as i wish as long as am following server rules, thats all that will be holding all the police groups that will be formed, server rules.
If you are handed everything without working for it everyone will have everything, hence everyone will soon be bored.
Look at it this way. Back in 2008 you would not 'want' to play as a freecop unless you were just going to be a cop for a little amount of time. If you were aiming to be a cop 24/7 you applied for the SAPD. In the SAPD you get trained for a period of time, and if passed you are rewarded with becoming an officer. With this right you now had a dark blue name whenver on duty, and 100 UZI rounds for taking out suspect tires.
Freecops didn't get the dark blue names.
Freecops didn't get the uzi.
Freecops applied for the SAPD.
Freecops made (and still make) what the SAPD is now.
Yet everyone claims that 'before' or 'back then' was better than it is now, and wish we could all go back in time.. yet ridiculous topics such as this are being made.
People speaking like this and constantly wanting more and more and more without doing or working for anything + wanting Argonath to be like it was in the past where people concentrated more on having fun in DIFFERENT FORMS = ?
You do the math.
If you are handed everything without working for it everyone will have everything, hence everyone will soon be bored.
Look at it this way. Back in 2008 you would not 'want' to play as a freecop unless you were just going to be a cop for a little amount of time. If you were aiming to be a cop 24/7 you applied for the SAPD. In the SAPD you get trained for a period of time, and if passed you are rewarded with becoming an officer. With this right you now had a dark blue name whenver on duty, and 100 UZI rounds for taking out suspect tires.
Freecops didn't get the dark blue names.
Freecops didn't get the uzi.
Freecops applied for the SAPD.
Freecops made (and still make) what the SAPD is now.
Yet everyone claims that 'before' or 'back then' was better than it is now, and wish we could all go back in time.. yet ridiculous topics such as this are being made.
People speaking like this and constantly wanting more and more and more without doing or working for anything + wanting Argonath to be like it was in the past where people concentrated more on having fun in DIFFERENT FORMS = ?
You do the math.
So Basically what you're saying is that the officers that YOU and your collegues train to be SAPD officers are there not to be apart of the group spirit , the group work or the pride on saying they are SAPD officers , the officers that you and your colleges train are joining SAPD and training to have a DARK BLUE NAME and BETTER GUNS , that explains why there are so much SAPD OFFICERS non RPing and breaking SAPD Procedures and Laws.Basically what you're saying is that the SAPD doesn't have self-esteem.In conclusion the SAPD loses their moral to all the fellow citzens of San Andreas and that way you will lose many points to all crime familys because when people join Crime Familys , Groups or Mafias they dont get better guns , or a different color name , they stay for fellow companion and the group spirit and they never give up.
Regards
Kizzu Araatus
No Offence meant to anyone.
Why the f**k has this turned into a Cops vs Criminals argument again?
We have had millions of arguments, they all result in warns, and a topic lock.
Lets try to keep this topic open...
Julio
If you want a bloody SMG, apply to the god damn SAPD, is it so hard to get?
Why is this not implemented in game?
For example:
ARPD Officers not being given a SMG, which SAPD people get, even if most cool SAPD officers give there SMG anyway, it's still shows that ARPD Officers are being treated as second tier (especially with the names etc...).
It's always annoyed me, not just the above example but other elements.
I've also seen many other contradictions of the Argonath vision, this should really be in Speakerbox.
Notes:
This is not a moan topic, go elsewhere.
Argonath Vision : http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=38482.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=38482.0)
No your post is ridiculous.
And FYI, I am not as OLD (should it f**king matter?) to have noticed what you are talking about (and even if I did I'm sure it'd be rubbish anyway). Clear disrespect to Freecops and newer people.
People did not want to be SAPD, that's why the names where changed, no? Multiple long serving SAPD members (Some with high rank) said repeatedly to me at-least in MSN / PM about how no one wanted to become SAPD anymore.
People should be encouraged to join not by being given an advantage, that's wrong, that's corruption.
Freecops made (and still make) what the SAPD is now.Written as though you've been around long enough to remember the "Old days" and what they were like.
Yet everyone claims that 'before' or 'back then' was better than it is now, and wish we could all go back in time.. yet ridiculous topics such as this are being made.
People speaking like this and constantly wanting more and more and more without doing or working for anything + wanting Argonath to be like it was in the past where people concentrated more on having fun in DIFFERENT FORMS = ?
If you insist so much that the reason SAPD has dark blue names, explain why we had them previously. You, during the time that you WEREN'T around. Maybe you can answer that, as you seem to know that what I said was complete rubbish despite the fact you weren't even around. Pathetic..Superiority complex "we're higher then you and want to show it"
Curse and the bullshit that goes through his mind. I have an idea, lets give everyone admin rights so we are equal. Also lets give freecops access to hunter / hydra. i like this idea.YES!!!!
Yes all citizens of argonath.. corleones, straccies, araatus..etc can go and protest with using m4 and combat shotgun :hah:
there are no citizens, because 90% of the times the people starts to evade, when they have to pay 200$ ticket...
And tell me who is crying for SAPD investigation always.... you, the citizens.. you make all differences between us and the ARPD cops. Curse, if you are still threated bad as ARPD cop.. maybe search the fault in yourself.
about colours and smg... i dont care, even i would agree to remove the smg from sapd officers and give combat shotgun+heavy weapons to freecops. I would LOVE to see the out come. :hurray:
again an outcry topic whats totally nonsense and rediclious
but basically you are moaning about not having a SMG as freecop.
Why is this not implemented in game?
For example:
ARPD Officers not being given a SMG, which SAPD people get, even if most cool SAPD officers give there SMG anyway, it's still shows that ARPD Officers are being treated as second tier (especially with the names etc...).
It's always annoyed me, not just the above example but other elements.
I've also seen many other contradictions of the Argonath vision, this should really be in Speakerbox.
Notes:
This is not a moan topic, go elsewhere.
Argonath Vision : http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=38482.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=38482.0)
Notes:
This is not a moan topic, go elsewhere.
Argonath Vision : http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=38482.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=38482.0)
This is not a moan topic, go elsewhere.
not a moan topic
Why do we need this topics, does anything change?
InfernalCurse, you should stop this in my opinion, it's really stupid and you say it's not a moan topic but basically you are moaning about not having a SMG as freecop.
All on a sneaky way...other topics do get removed for it.
Why do we need this topics, does anything change?Nexxt, you are focusing on the wrong aspect of what he is trying to get in here. He does not say that he wants SMG's for ARPD officers. Infernal's goal is for ARPD officers to have the same kind opportunities that SAPD officers have. Whether it be all cops to have 9mm's, deagles, SMG's, snipers or anything else.
InfernalCurse, you should stop this in my opinion, it's really stupid and you say it's not a moan topic but basically you are moaning about not having a SMG as freecop.
All on a sneaky way...other topics do get removed for it.
Nexxt, you are focusing on the wrong aspect of what he is trying to get in here. He does not say that he wants SMG's for ARPD officers. Infernal's goal is for ARPD officers to have the same kind opportunities that SAPD officers have.
Infernal like Argonath Vision is saying that all players should have the same kind of opportunities for role playing.
Beside that SAPD in general is the only actual role playing group that has script help.
I think Argonath is already quite close to the best equality we can reach.Actually it's strayed quite a bit from equality since RS1 and 2
Erm, after reading this there is a few examples I have to give.That is Socialism , it would never work. It doesen't work on RL , and it doesn't work here.
All people have equal rights, so let us give:
- All players the rights which admins have.
- All players have the same amount of money, and assets
- All players have the same amount of weed
- And, as suggested, give all cops SMG, or, to make it fairer, give every player an SMG
- Give everyone the commands for a hydra.
Communism? I think sometimes, people use the Argonath Vision as a step into something they wish to happen.
Players make themselves into something by how they portray themselves. ARPD can choose to apply to be SAPD Officers if they wish to, and one of the bonuses is the SMG. I mentioned communism earlier, so I shall explain. The idea of communism was good, but required a leader to put it into action. Communist idea gone, as there is a leader. Some leaders (not ours, just history facts) abused what they had, and some people abused what they had. Linking back into how it affects us, the majority of ARPD Officers on Argonath can be trusted, but there are always a few who ruin it for everybody else.
By joining the SAPD, players who will not abuse can be found, and given extra training. After the training, and their exam, they get the rank and SMG, if they pass of course. The SMG is very abusable, so by giving it to the ARPD, the potential for abuse is much higher.
Just picking one out the list now, every player should have admin rights. Of course this will not happen, as said before, there are minority of people who abuse commands. If this had been suggested, it would be chucked out fairly rapidly.
"All players have the same amount of money, and assets". This is implemented, at the start of your Argonath career. Remember when you joined? $10'000, and a skin all new players have. Maybe players who joined earlier received other things, but that is irrelevant for now. All players start equal, and what they choose to make of themselves is their own decision. We must remember that we were all new once, and had to make our reputations, buy our businesses etc.
We do not pick on people, and select only a few 'elite' players to be SAPD. Applications are kept open for all players, with some rules to make sure players with some experience apply (passport etc).
"Give everyone the commands for a hydra." An obvious one really. Abuse is the only thing you can really say to it, for some players. As on Argonath Stunt, the hydra was taken off the list through abuse by players.
The point I'm trying to make is, the Argonath Vision is not the full control of everything we do. All players start equal (apart from things like ping and time-zones), and have equal opportunities (bar variation as the amount of people increase) from the beginning. Some people applied to SAPD, others to criminal groups, and that is how it has been, certainly since I have been here.
The Argonath Vision should not be twisted in any way, shape or form, to argue for things that personally, I do not think the Argo Vision represents.
We have equality, but we also have stereotypes, like 'noob freecop', caused by a minority of players who ruin it for other people. The problem is, this minority of players is still there, which makes giving all an SMG is impractical and almost asking them to abuse. Five times at least, I have had ARPD Officers drive-by me, since the new ARPD/SAPD rules, and this is without them being given them. We have special rules for the SMG, which some ARPD Officers would not know. We can teach them, but the SAPD Academy drums this in to SAPD Cadets/Officers, which makes them trusted enough to have abusable weapons.
So I guess the Argonath Vision is blurred, and we need glasses, but players will have different views, so which one is correct?
This sums it up better than I put it! As I said about the Argonath Vision being twisted, please read the bit I have made bold on Nexxt's post. By putting it down as Argonath Vision, it looks less like a moan.
The bit i've put in italics cannot be faulted. It is definitely a moan topic, using bits of the Argonath Vision to cover it up.
All he is here to badmouth SAPD for some reason, but hey like i said lets close down SAPD and we'll see what happens...maybe Infernal wouldnt be affected as he would be on duty as the new "chief" of freecops, but the criminals would be really hurt by what the outcome is when no officer is held by any regulations and will do anything anytime anywhere as long as they follow the server rules.Well, I would really like to take you up on it. As I am quite sure that for a criminal nothing would change.
If you want to change Argonath (don't know why you should) then do not come with this topics to "talk" about it, but come with some actual ideas and sent them to the owners.Because as with any other server it's far from perfect, why is talking so wrong?
For your daily talk group, you can maybe sign up for something in your region in real life.
This topics creates fuss and ALWAYS cause discussions between people, and split up groups even more and that's unneeded in such community.For one thing, proper english, learn it plz.
Well, I would really like to take you up on it. As I am quite sure that for a criminal nothing would change.
Finally, It's not curses fault people react badly to ideas and suggestions for change, it's yours and everyones elses fault these topics cause "Fuss"
If everything was fair, then why would i want to spend my time working for my officer rank if it gave me no advantage at all?Because you enjoy working as a police officer? Because it is easier to organise when you're in a group than when you're not?
Because you enjoy working as a police officer? Because it is easier to organise when you're in a group than when you're not?
Did you actually just type that? Are you really claiming you only became SAPD for free weapons? Oh, SafetyMoose..
These post-RS2 SAPD cops get on my nerves, seriously. In RS2 there was absolutely no script differentiation between ARPD and non-ARPD, and nobody gave a shit. Everyone worked together, it was just more efficient if you were from the same department.
Also, I could quite similarly say "why would I spend my time building a criminal group if it gave me no advantage at all?" but I'd know the answer already - and that is that I enjoy playing the game as a criminal.
Damn, guys.
Officer joins server, goes to LSPD /duty then weapons room /weaponequip full everything, see civilian speeding issue a ticket for 10k, civilian pay? then officer is 10 richer, civilian not pay? /su then combat in the ass. civilian moans and moans...admin comes and bans for moan.First of all Argonath SAMP rules for all the cops taken from rules:
You sure nothing will change now?
Police rules:Now if a suspect does not pay and you suspect him/her, you have to give him chance to surrender. Knowing all of that suspect can easily escape with his/her before you have a chance to kill him/her. After what normal chase of the orange dot once again starts, no changes there.
* Always give suspects a chance to surrender before attacking them.
* Do not injure suspects who surrender.
* Nobody can be forced to stay inside the jail after the scripted time expires.
* In bank robberies/kidnappings/similar situations, suspect all the criminals related and give them a chance to give up before opening fire.</div>
Difference was not my choice, nor my wish.It goes both ways. If the experienced players bothered to correctly teach the new people, letting them have SMG would not be an issue, but at the same time many regulars abuse it themselves. Same thing goes for the other point of view in which regulars don't want new players having it because new players will mass-DM with it, whereas it is unfair for new players to not be treated as equals like the regulars. Throwing yet another point in there, it gives new players something to look forward to as a bonus when they are eventually promoted, and for regulars it's a way for them to show that they did something great and earned their rights to have that weapon. Just like gay marriage, legalization of marijuana, abortion, and the like, it's a complex topic in which could go on forever.
Scripters probably implemented this under pressure of players who feel that SMG is not to be handled by a non-trained officers. Of course listening to players is what we should do...
It goes both ways. If the experienced players bothered to correctly teach the new people, letting them have SMG would not be an issue, but at the same time many regulars abuse it themselves. Same thing goes for the other point of view in which regulars don't want new players having it because new players will mass-DM with it, whereas it is unfair for new players to not be treated as equals like the regulars. Throwing yet another point in there, it gives new players something to look forward to as a bonus when they are eventually promoted, and for regulars it's a way for them to show that they did something great and earned their rights to have that weapon. Just like gay marriage, legalization of marijuana, abortion, and the like, it's a complex topic in which could go on forever.First off, It's nothing like gay marriage, leagalizing weed, or abortion.
Yes all citizens of argonath.. corleones, straccies, araatus..etc can go and protest with using m4 and combat shotgun :hah:wat :conf:
I'm all for Returning to the more balanced, more equal, sop scripts that were in RS1 and 2.Ah.... Those were the days!
Everyone could be FBI, Everyone could be cop, ARPD was still around, and the only advantage of that was "Advanced training and access to increased teamwork"
For one thing, proper english, learn it plz.
Finally, It's not curses fault people react badly to ideas and suggestions for change, it' yours and everyones elses fault these topics cause "Fuss"
About the ARPD and SAPD... I see that as an oppertunity to 'grow' in your carrier, more oppertunities that open new pathways.
For your daily talk group, you can maybe sign up for something in your region in real life.
So basicly, we are ONE community, with several groups you can join. THATS the vision in my opinion.
Ah.... Those were the days!I Agree, and when argonath had the classic server up no one played even though everyone wanted to "Experience the classic Argonath" :neutral:
Argonath evolving has a lot of negatives... but I guess it has also has its positives...
Oh look, he is talking about writing proper English.I would appreciate a few things, for one, I would love for you to learn how to properly quote without removing parts of what was there in a fail attempt to troll.
Because as with any other server it's far from perfect, why is talking so wrong?If it was talking it was fine, but this is not just talking anymore.....
Granted this is an idea, and it is in the wrong section, but there is a section on this forum devoted to ideas, so the public may express their oppinion.Then still it's in the wrong section?
Unfortunately for you i doubt theirs a IRL "Argonath ideas" group wandering around in his region that rent community centers and hold meetings.I am not in the need for a talk group, I am sorry.
For one thing, proper english, learn it plz.And pointing people at their English who are not English from origine, on a community with people from allover the world, is lame (not everyone speaks native English) and still wondering who are the one without respect for others in this community..... :redface:
Finally, It's not curses fault people react badly to ideas and suggestions for change, it's yours and everyones elses fault these topics cause "Fuss"I do not agree, see the amount of topics which did not had any "sense".
Sorry for my bad English, I hope you will not get hurt by it, BlackBird.Not hurt, just hard to comprehend sometimes.
5. Argonath leaders will accept new rules and scripts only if they fit the vision. If any suggestion is limiting the possibility to play for new players, strives to give advantage to more experienced players, or creates a more complex rule that would make it hard to understand or follow, it will be rejected, regardless of how much support there is from the community
2. Argonath gives equal rights to new, experienced and admin players. We do not discriminate between players, and having admin rights or being a long time player does not give any of our players rights to act as better, higher or having more status as another.
Just to throw it out there: Passports and licenses violate the Argonath Vision.
New players cannot buy a house, hotel, or car without a passport, which requires to be registered for at least 7 days minimum. New players cannot use any other skin other than the security guard skin without a passport.
Attempts to argue this statement with anything like MTA:VC HAD IT or NO IT DOESNT or attempting to change up my words will indefinitely make one a total bullshitter, as passports require some time for playing, which limits the playing of any player under one week old, particularly some rights that make the game more playable. Should Gandalf argue this statement, then I'm sorry to say that he will have contradicted himself.
Prove me wrong.
Argonath was not created for all to be equal. However it was created for new and existing players having the same kind of opportunities, without restrictions.With this quote I am over and out from this topic.
As said before, any system where players who pay get advantages over those who do not is against our Vision. If there is a way for every player, regardless of their country or age, to reach a VIP status without having to pay, we will consider giving some minor features.
We are not a place where all are equal, but we are a place where everyone can reach everything, if they show the right dedication and effort.
Second, Proper English, and proper punctuation are different things,No, not really. If you can't use punctuation correctly then you can't write english properly either.
you'll notice that it's still a complete properly using the english language without improper uses of words.wat
Argonath was not created for all to be equal. However it was created for new and existing players having the same kind of opportunities, without restrictions.
As said before, any system where players who pay get advantages over those who do not is against our Vision. If there is a way for every player, regardless of their country or age, to reach a VIP status without having to pay, we will consider giving some minor features.
We are not a place where all are equal, but we are a place where everyone can reach everything, if they show the right dedication and effort.
Argonath does give equal rights, New guys CAN get their passport and licenseNot without playing for 7 days first. Giving the right to get a passport license to a player more experienced by 7 days ;).
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Jubin quoted this post from Gandalf... and you can see the current system gives the same opportunities for everybody.
Curse, i see your point now... you think the SAPD is ruling every cop in SA:MP.. and we bossing around. In some way you are right, because we have authority over some situation (same as FBI or SWAT), that means we are the primary to investigate etc. in specific situations. With the new rules, indeed the SAPD cops are not supposed to open new police groups... they chose the SAPD for a specific type of roleplay, the sapd type is similar to a "real life" police department.
As ARPD Officer.. you are still free to have your Own style of police RP.. and build up a new group.. the example is your Coastguard group. Of course you are not welcome if you want to replace the SAPD as another Metropolitan or State police department, but if you want to open new RP posibilites... as coastguard, or air force.. or army, you are welcome.. but you have to contact to the developers to get extra info because the ARPD forums is not the place to post your Group topic (except its official, approved by persidental office).
Note to Curse, if you really want to bring the coastguard RP to the next level... contact to the ARFD guys.. im sure they wont deny you.
ArgonathRPG gives chance to everybody... just you have to realise it, and use it good.
^ Sieg fail; you should be castrated and killed with fire.
I HEARD YOU LIEK DICK BRAH!!!!
Mate,ok, sorry.
keep it ontopic.
Deam... how would you know, when you are not involved as a cop. You are just talking, but the real cop rp-ers who are playing almost 24/7 as an officer on the server, knows what the system is.. and they understand, everything has its own place. And once again, you are wrong... SWAT is not doing regular traffic stops. If you are a dangerious criminal.. you can expect the SWAT team will be chasing you.
Recently many newer players have been shitting on the SAPD.
I'm the man who take part in police action. I'm criminal and I can see how structures works. I got screens how SWAT patroling the streets and doing traffic stops. Also, my borther is playing here as a cop. I often sit near him and see what happens.
Some members of SWAT are non-rpers. They dont read /me or /em and just shooting, arresting you (I'm talking about SWAT because it must be more sctricted and special group)
If your a dangerous suspect then why would SWAT risk RPing with you if they might die? want to RP? /guIf you're a cop then why would I risk RPing with you if I might get suspected and shot on the spot?
If you're a cop then why would I risk RPing with you if I might get suspected and shot on the spot?
If you're a cop then why would I risk RPing with you if I might get suspected and shot on the spot?
Look, lets be honest.
All the SWAT wants to do is kill the suspect, not Roleplay.
Richard and a couple of other Marlens were in a Sultan when I had not joined it. I followed them, stalking them up Mt Chilliad.
SWAT was following.
Marlen jumped off the edge of Chilliad, Car exploded instantly, SWAT just wanted to kill someone, so they randomly suspected me for aiding and shot me where I stood even though I did /hail 1 and was typing /gu. I was unarmed.
Is that what SWAT is for? :o
I'm the man who take part in police action. I'm criminal and I can see how structures works.
I got screens how SWAT patroling the streets and doing traffic stops. Also, my borther is playing here as a cop. I often sit near him and see what happens.
Some members of SWAT are non-rpers. They dont read /me or /em and just shooting, arresting you
(I'm talking about SWAT because it must be more sctricted and special group)
All the SWAT wants to do is kill the suspect, not Roleplay.
Look, lets be honest.
All the SWAT wants to do is kill the suspect, not Roleplay.
Richard and a couple of other Marlens were in a Sultan when I had not joined it. I followed them, stalking them up Mt Chilliad.
SWAT was following.
Marlen jumped off the edge of Chilliad, Car exploded instantly, SWAT just wanted to kill someone, so they randomly suspected me for aiding and shot me where I stood even though I did /hail 1 and was typing /gu. I was unarmed.
Is that what SWAT is for? :o
Kenny, what I DID was jump off the Mountain with my Motorbike, I fell off, bike landed at very bottom.What vechiles were SWAT in? because i can guarantee you, you could hop in your bike and drive off faster than SWAT jumps off the mountain (considering they did not blow up) get out of the car and start shooting at you.
I am the sort of guy that likes to see what happens at the end of a chase
Why would a cop risk roleplaying with a civilian if they might get killed by their combat shotgun?Exactly.
It's roleplay, it's all about taking risks.
All the SWAT wants to do is kill the suspect, not Roleplay.Exactly, that was the point of SWAT and it always had been. They were a combat unit.
If your a dangerous suspect then why would SWAT risk RPing with you if they might die? want to RP? /guLol... And if you for example kidnap someone but SWAT cant see the gun in your arms and it looks like just meeting...?
If your a dangerous suspect then why would SWAT risk RPing with you if they might die? want to RP? /guyou must fucking remember this is an RP server you're playing on.
Kenny, I got screens and I won't show it here, because it's not section for complains.
Also, I can add that when you're Corleone and you meet other corleones in troubles (suspected) and watching it on the distance, SWAT come and suspect you for aiding just because you're Corleone and was near others.
Kenny, why I'm not moaning about FBI then? About hydra? It's very effctive.
SWAT come to chase me while I'm even with 1 star and suspected for speeding. They just see message that I'm suspected and come.
Also, someone saw how Ben_Samiir was Rping? As I remember he always just driving his buffalo around LS and chasing criminals.
Kenny, You can RP, but on duty you're metagaming in /l and dont use /me and /em.
And I'm sure in your cb channel you can see some chat logs like "Corleone get suspected!!!... KILL HIM!!!"
So, some groups on Argonath can be non RP? Even Official groups?
SWAT who gave you permission to provoke me every time when I'm talking with someone about cops and shit?
We see i.e 4 corleone shooting cops, and 2 corleones with cars looking at the shootout. Of course we think you are gonna aid....You have no right to even think that. They sit in the car and do nothing and yet they're guilty?
5. Argonath leaders will accept new rules and scripts only if they fit the vision. If any suggestion is limiting the possibility to play for new players, strives to give advantage to more experienced players, or creates a more complex rule that would make it hard to understand or follow, it will be rejected, regardless of how much support there is from the communityPassport/license does not limit game-play. You can still role-play anything a regular player can. Owning a car/house does not increase role-play.
2. Argonath gives equal rights to new, experienced and admin players. We do not discriminate between players, and having admin rights or being a long time player does not give any of our players rights to act as better, higher or having more status as another.You didn't read the whole point.
We are normally not in the same CB :poke:
And seriously, what do you think? We see i.e 4 corleone shooting cops, and 2 corleones with cars looking at the shootout. Of course we think you are gonna aid....
Freecops need SMGI don't think so.
And so the players once again complain about how Argonath is all ruined and full of non-RPers and similar shit.You, me, everyone. 'the players,' Are you trying to say 'the players' as in people who are not admins or something? No. Admins have broken rules and moaned and complained about what your saying now. So don't act like it. EVERYONE has caused everything on the server. Cause and Effect is a never ending thing and is infinity. Everything you do has an effect which has another effect which makes the first effect a cause, and so on. To assume you are not causing a problem is pure stupidity.
But then, think of it.
Who made things that way?
For certain, it wasn't Gandalf and Aragorn.
Kenny, I got screens and I won't show it here, because it's not section for complains.
Also, I can add that when you're Corleone and you meet other corleones in troubles (suspected) and watching it on the distance, SWAT come and suspect you for aiding just because you're Corleone and was near others.
Kenny, why I'm not moaning about FBI then? About hydra? It's very effctive.
SWAT come to chase me while I'm even with 1 star and suspected for speeding. They just see message that I'm suspected and come.
Also, someone saw how Ben_Samiir was Rping? As I remember he always just driving his buffalo around LS and chasing criminals.
Kenny, You can RP, but on duty you're metagaming in /l and dont use /me and /em.
And I'm sure in your cb channel you can see some chat logs like "Corleone get suspected!!!... KILL HIM!!!"
So, some groups on Argonath can be non RP? Even Official groups?
SWAT who gave you permission to provoke me every time when I'm talking with someone about cops and shit?
Can you define here, how do you consider whether or not a criminal is "dangerous" and needs SWAT intervention?
@weegee (post from 16 dec / page 5)Owning property and cars is a right. Players under 7 days old do not have this right. The vision guarantees equal rights between new, experienced, and admin players. The only script support new players have is something that restricts them.
Passport/license does not limit game-play. You can still role-play anything a regular player can. Owning a car/house does not increase role-play.
Passport/license limits owning properties, not actual playing something. Saves server resources, else the server would be overloaded with unused vehicles bought by people who came in, played only an hour and left.
You didn't read the whole point.
@vice (post from 18 dec / page 6)
Can you define here, how do you consider whether or not a criminal is "dangerous" and needs SWAT intervention?
@RyanC (post from 18 dec / page 6) "SWAT only comes after you if you did not cooperate with the SAPD officers."
SWAT is almost always first, before SAPD/ARPD :poke:
You, me, everyone. 'the players,' Are you trying to say 'the players' as in people who are not admins or something? No. Admins have broken rules and moaned and complained about what your saying now. So don't act like it. EVERYONE has caused everything on the server. Cause and Effect is a never ending thing and is infinity. Everything you do has an effect which has another effect which makes the first effect a cause, and so on. To assume you are not causing a problem is pure stupidity.
@KennyI can answer that.
Does SWAT attend to any/every suspect that's crime is killing a civilian/cop, that hasn't surrendered immediately after the kill?
Dark.. are you banned from samp? :roll:Was there recently enough to know much hasn't changed ;)
Ok, thanks. Now go and imagine how I die in every shootout.Blasting new/ not trained cops with a combat shotgun, then getting ownd by trained cops making you and your mates moan like bitches on forums? :banana:
Blasting new/ not trained cops with a combat shotgun, then getting ownd by trained cops making you and your mates moan like bad girles on forums? :banana:
He never said anything but "players". Don't take it in any other way, he didn't say anything about admins, or himself for that matter.i had backup plan bro i said 'Are youtrying to say' incase I was assuming incorrectly, but I bet I was right. As far as cause and effect, No. Not any religion popped into my mind when I posted that. ITs simple fking knowledge. If Thales of Miletus did not record his finding of electricity, you think Thomas Eddison would make his light bulb? No. You think Thales knew that hundreds of years after his little finding of electricity, would help a generation far ahead of his time evolve? No. He did barely understand what he found at that time anyway. Point is, anything and everything is a cause, and anything and everything is an effect. Can you name me a time when something could not be classified as a cause or an effect?
And I'm sure the cause and effect argument is for religion as well ;)
What caused JDC to do something? As you said, just giving an example...
Cause: Unknown----> Effect: JDC does something.
Cause: JDC does something----> Effect: Something happens.
Maybe you are the unknown cause in this case ;)
@Kenny
Does SWAT attend to any/every suspect that's crime is killing a civilian/cop, that hasn't surrendered immediately after the kill?
Kenny, you're provoking me again.
Also it happens in game and admins dont respond.
Me and you and others players know why you're not getting punished. But when someone provoke you from our side, we're getting punishments and even bans.
I know you're trying to report us for everything that you think we're doing against the rules. Why we don't do such as you?
It's hard to get punished SWAT members nowdays.
About moaning when you're on duty...Well...when you're not on duty you can RP and i didn't see ant rulebrearing from your side.
How much shit inside me? Ask yourself first how much shit inside you. And when you do it, you'll realise why I'm acting like that.
I can answer that.
No, Because current SWAT is lazy and is hardly active.
they may work maybe once a month because of a kidnapping, the rest of the time they're eating donuts and on duty patrolling complaining about suspects and how unfair it is for cops.
Questions?
You, me, everyone. 'the players,' Are you trying to say 'the players' as in people who are not admins or something? No. Admins have broken rules and moaned and complained about what your saying now. So don't act like it. EVERYONE has caused everything on the server. Cause and Effect is a never ending thing and is infinity. Everything you do has an effect which has another effect which makes the first effect a cause, and so on. To assume you are not causing a problem is pure stupidity.
You know how I know Argo is fine?
It usually has 150 people on it, and it is FUN.
Why is it that SWAT deals with just about every suspect whose crime is greater than stealing a purse from an old woman?
It is as if SAPD Officers are to do nothing more nowadays than conduct traffic stops, go after light targets, attend to desk jobs, and hope for an invitation into SWAT.
I haven't witnessed the new SWAT for myself but judging from the reactions of everyone who posts on them on the forums, I could say that I liked the old SWAT better despite its attitude problems.
"WOLOLOLOLO I NVER SAW WIT MY OWN EYEZ SO I LET OTHER PPL TO MAKE MY OWN DIZISIONZ LOLLOLOL"
Oh how gullible some people are.
Hello! My name is JDC Kolta. I don't play SAMP argonath but i will still waste my time whining and moaning about how SWAT shouldn't be a certain way because i really know whats best. Oh, and my sources? Well they are some of the most elite most experienced members in the SAPD. Hell, even one of them was a SWAT commander himself! Ha ha ha!
SWAT goes after every little suspect because other people told me so!
Man! The SWAT team should go back like the old one, inactive and totally useless! This is whats best for the SAPD because i know everything! The SAPD shouldn't have made an elite team..they should have raised the standards! Yes, that's it! That's exactly what should have happened!
Cool story bro.
"WOLOLOLOLO I NVER SAW WIT MY OWN EYEZ SO I LET OTHER PPL TO MAKE MY OWN DIZISIONZ LOLLOLOL"
Oh how gullible some people are.
Hello! My name is JDC Kolta. I don't play SAMP argonath but i will still waste my time whining and moaning about how SWAT shouldn't be a certain way because i really know whats best. Oh, and my sources? Well they are some of the most elite most experienced members in the SAPD. Hell, even one of them was a SWAT commander himself! Ha ha ha!
SWAT goes after every little suspect because other people told me so!
Man! The SWAT team should go back like the old one, inactive and totally useless! This is whats best for the SAPD because i know everything! The SAPD shouldn't have made an elite team..they should have raised the standards! Yes, that's it! That's exactly what should have happened!
Cool story bro.
Seriously, why i wasnt "moaning" about old SWAT members? Because they weren't so professional as you? Nah man. They were even better than all of you SRU guys.
Someone please tell me why trash disposal hasn't cleaned this up yet.
Is the the best you can come up with to defend yourself? Come at me bro.
I do not waste my time arguing with inferior entities such as trolls.
Then what is it that you do?
Man, I remember when SWAT were elite.
Now they're just a bunch of armoured cops.
Sad but true.
Man your Never IG. How could you comment on this?
Man your Never IG. How could you comment on this?
Criminals are not my only source of information...You have no such sources JDC, you just come here and say what you think and everybody accepts what you say as you were their god.
You have no such sources JDC, you just come here and say what you think and everybody accepts what you say as you were their god.
You have no such sources JDC, you just come here and say what you think and everybody accepts what you say as you were their god.
You have no sources JDC, you just come here and say what you think and everybody accepts what you say as you were god.
JDC, you just come here and say what you think and everybody accepts what you say
you just come here and say what you think
As you can see now. People who "moan" against SWAT are just asking the question and tell what happened to them.
But SWAT and other players who on their side are trying to provoke anyone who talking word against "the professional team".
Kenny, I have screens. I dont need to proove it. I'm waiting till day when [email protected] will work. Because I sent some complaints and no respond yet.
I think SWAT must have more sctricted rules. They must have list of things they can do and can not.
Seriously, why i wasnt "moaning" about old SWAT members? Because they weren't so professional as you? Nah man. They were even better than all of you SRU guys.
Man, I remember when SWAT were elite.
Now they're just a bunch of armoured cops.
I wondered that for a longer time, he is talking negative a shitloads of time, but he has not been ingame recently!
I wonder where he base everything on ...
"Last Online (SA:MP) 1 month, 1 week ago."
From September till now:
Total 26 hours, 25 minutes
That's why I do not take him serious anymore, sorry.
We have strict rules and things we may or may not do, not my fault if your ignorant stupid who cant check ARPD forums to see the list of SWAT job.yarite (http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8751/samp389l.png)<click
Funny you say that because alot of SRU members were part of the old SWAT team, dont speak before you have your facts straight.What SRU members were in the old SWAT team? SRU didn't even exist until recently when compared to that.
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"reckless speeding" is now as dangerous as planting a motherf**king bomb at the city hall... Watch out boys :razz:
Just sayin', you were heavily armed, aimed a gun at cops,
Just sayin', you were heavily armed, aimed a gun at cops,Hilarious...
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"reckless speeding" is now as dangerous as planting a motherf**king bomb at the city hall... Watch out boys :razz:
Also, as we can see SWAT was chasing him...how they know that he is full armed while chasing?
What SRU members were in the old SWAT team? SRU didn't even exist until recently when compared to that.
But it seems like you havent got life like others "professional holy warriors" who can only fight on forums and acting stupid girls, who can't admit mistakes.
Are you trying to be funny?
In this situation you may have been suspected for speeding, however you were part of a shootout that happened in East LS, SWAT hunted those who run away and you were one of them, When we attempted to engage you where we gave you chance to surrender, what did you do? pull out a gun and start firing back. Combat mortality its dangerous no?
We were chasing him because of a shootout that happened in East Los Santos where this particualr man was involved, He was already suspected for speeding but once he starts shooting at us we engagned him, shall we re-suspect him for "Shooting SWAT at East LS?"
As someone already said, even though it may appear suspects are wanted for speeding, if they dangerously armed and firing at cops or were part of a shootout then we can go after them.
SRU existed since 2009, However untill 2010 we were not operating the same way as recently. Yes there were numerous people who were SRU and still were part of the OLD SWAT If you want names, i will PM them to you.
And here i thought i was the one provoking and flaming...
Haha. It happens rather often. I'm talking about your provoking and flamming. Also, you chased me for speeding several times when I got only combat with me, but 4 full armed SWAT members was on me.
I wonder why SWAT need 4+ guys to pwn 1-2 suspects if they're so professional? I've seen lt of times when SWAT chasing us with 3 cars and we have only 2 guys in car.
Dude, listen.
Your 'companions' called corleone, shoot me for no reason just to get their name orange. What about you change your group's behaviour first before commenting on the others?
Contact leaders.
Good.
Now you gave the answer to your own posts, Stop posting here and contact leaders if you think SAPD or any of their force is not applying the Argonath rules and terms...
end of discussion here, back on topic, which is definatly not moaning about the things you like to see disappear.
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Now this made my day. :rofl:
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Epic, tho you should've gave Wash a SPAS12 (Combat shotgun) and paste an image of the cops drive-bying with mp5's :razz:(http://i54.tinypic.com/2v0jqly.jpg)
Epic, tho you should've gave Wash a SPAS12 (Combat shotgun) and paste an image of the cops drive-bying with mp5's :razz:
Ben shouldn't be there (he's easy to kill) and Kirby should be there c-bugging. :D(http://i54.tinypic.com/2v0jqly.jpg)
Thank you for the kind words.
SAPD people should not join SAPD to get Dark name / SMG only, they should get it if they are probably going to spend most of there time being cop / want to work under strict procedures, a fine example and a fine officer: Recently made [NP], Rudy_Russel, he tried many roles / experiences.
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If everything was fair, then why would i want to spend my time working for my officer rank if it gave me no advantage at all?