Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: [NP]Monte Montague on November 21, 2010, 04:44:37 pm
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Hi, I am Officer Curse of the Freecop Union.
Recently I have seen a lot of hydras, hunters, I've heard of how they've been used on people who are on the ground and many SAPD officers have actually moaned to suspected users of such useless tactics (the ability to spawn a hydra/hunter), I've seen this first hand in /r and in /p.
I think it's wrong that there are reportedly so many hunters and hydras, and this drags attention away from normal roleplay. I do not see ever much rp from these things, they do not encourage or enhance roleplay, this script should be removed, according to a thread in SA:MP ideas.
The owners have commented to me, and others I think regarding how they do not expect there to be any official military group as it wouldn't work out well, this is fine example, I really do not care who but, what ever department be it SWAT / SAPD should not be able to continue acting as an unofficial air-force.
If anything, with respects, trustworthy people should be allowed to serve as the Air Force.
Discuss. But stay polite.
P.S
I accept no liability for any flaming in this thread, so moderators do not lock the topic for "TOO MUCH FLAMING", you really shouldn't be doing that anyway.
This is not a moan topic.
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They haven't used against me, though I understand it could be annoying and a little bit over powered.
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They're the most RP vehicles ever!
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That's one of the reasons why we DPD Denied SWAT in our PD ;)
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That's one of the reasons why we DPD Denied SWAT in our PD ;)
And I've still yet to find something bad regarding DPD other then being copbanned when I was only 1 week old in a scary interrogation with Flameman and Pancher in DPD.
Tis a shame no freecops in DPD.
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They're the most RP vehicles ever!
Although this looks like sarcasm, coming from a Ancelotti, If used in the right hands *cough* CoastGuard *cough* they'd be excellent.
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Since When do police own Fast Jets?
Police shouldn't have them, an Airforce should...
/thread
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Since When do police own Fast Jets?
Police shouldn't have them, an Airforce should...
/thread
True.
The main role of SWAT was to take part in roleplays such as kidnaps, bomb threats, gangwars etc.
Spawning hunters and hunting suspects with heavy weaponry is just wrong.
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No offense but.. Today I saw hydra like four or five times. Anyway I never been Role Playing with SWAT, I don't really know the point patrolling around.
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Oh look, it's this damn thread again.
Another moan topic, not to mention you complain about just about anything. I am not the only admin who has noted that.
Also, nice move endorsing your own group, curse. We're not blind.
There is a reason why this aircraft are limited to the upper ranks of SAPD and FBI- those people were already trusted by the owners and leaders to hold those positions. Unlike your group, these organizations' top executives were appointed by the OWNERS.
If you think those restrictions are insufficient and superficial, then I challenge you to prove your point.
You have one year to become an SAPD Department Chief or an FBI Division Chief.
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Back when I was SWAT Commander I was ORDERED to not use the Hydra / Hunter at every possible situation where regulations would allow it. Simply because it is so bloody unfair.
I've been on both the receiving and giving end of these vehicles, and I'll say they need more regulations and restrictions. When I was SWAT Command there was only 3-4 non admins that could spawn it.
Now there are three SWAT Commanders who can spawn
SAPD Dep chiefs+(?)
FBI Division chiefs +
I've seen people who will use it at EVERY SINGLE opportunity they get. It needs to have more regulations. This is how -I- would make the regulations.
Sea: No, Predator will have to be used. ( Check Predator idea on SAMP Ideas )
Land: NO. It is too unfair.
Air: Should only be used if the suspect is wanted for something major. They wont escape in the air anyway, grab a Beagle or a Dodo with a partner who has SMG, that is what me and Dave does.
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I surely agree. These hunters/hydras everywhere is just pure wrong. It takes away role play cause of the fact with those cars they just go BANG BANG BANG oh look hes dead next guy. Also they use them on you just for running away in a car/bike/boat/plane. This is quite pathetic really, remove the hunters and hydra's
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One hundred topics before this have failed, what makes you think this one would succeed?
And yes, I can spawn them but I don't blast every damn thing that moves.
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Last 12 hours, in three different situation, my members were shot from hydra/hunter although they were in cars and none of them shot the flying vehicles.
I will like to add that the flying vehicles were driven by three different persons, none of them an admin, which gives a conclusion, they are now allowed to shot any suspect , no matter are they on foot, in cars,in boats in flying vehicles, did they open fire on hydra/hunter or not, or what's so any.
I urge the leaders of SAPD, to do something about this.
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I was one of the victims,I was the only suspect driving a sanchez I got 2 cars full of cops after me 1 FBI Heli,and a Hunter,I didnt shoot at it,that Hunter hunted me till until my bike blew up and died on it.
Its that hard to catch a suspect using a bike ? ie yes Do like old times when there was No hydras/Hunters.
Anyways Atleast just put some strict rules about the Usage of these Vehicules.
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FBI are not allowed to use the artillery on cars and the suspects inside them unless at least one of them fired at the craft.
Do not hesitate to contact me if you see any possible hydra abuse by an Agent.
If it is an SAPD problem though, nothing I can do but talk to the leaders.
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Due to the new SAPD regulations with officers only being allowed to use PD cars, I have deployed it constant on air recon patrol for the past day. I have set-up a set of rules with Chief Rafferty allowing it to be used to track fast suspects. as per usual, I will not open fire unless taken fire. Seeing as SAPD is at a major disadvantage with being restricted to patrol cars, we need something atleast that can keep up with an infernus. Bearing in mind there is only one hydra and one hunter in the server.
Yes. Leroy did open fire today at Queens, but that was because one of your people were stupid enough to shoot me down.
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Please do remove them.
We might as well remove the escaping-system if we have them, it's impossible to escape even if you don't shoot. I think I've died multiple times because the pilot THOUGHT I shot at him even...
I mean... It's just way to overpowered and just plainly the opposite of fun.
Replace them with tanks or something
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Remove them please. :D
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Another moan topic,
How ironic from one of the biggest moaners of them all.
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I emailed some days ago stating how I was concerned - all the cops using mega fast cars and crashing into everyone and everything in there path, usually new people ended up being victims of avoidable incidents, when ever I saw a cop in a fast car there was always trouble followed after, especially in LSPD area.
SAPD COPS SHOULD STICK TO SAPD VEHICLES, IF NOT THE SAPD VEHICLES SHOULD BE REMOVED
Dave, you have LV persuit cars, you can easily ask for the creation of a few infernuses for SAPD, that makes more sense then a hydra. :neutral:
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Bearing in mind there is only one hydra and one hunter in the server.
I saw more than one Hydra at once not so long ago
Today I was escaping with an Infernus and something like 12 cops behind me and out of nowhere I saw a Hydra flying low upon my head almost landing on the car and yelling at me to stop
I emailed a few days ago stating how I was concerned regarding all the cops using mega fast cars and crashing into everyone and everything in there path, usually new people ended up being victims of avoidable incidents, when ever I saw a cop in a fast car there was always trouble followed after, especially in LSPD area.
Use /report if they crash into everyone.. and if it happens once, I don't see the problem since respray is free :D
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Use /report if they crash into everyone.. and if it happens once, I don't see the problem since respray is free :D
I made the email because I was genuinely concerned regarding new players, not my cahs :lol:
I had -90k that time because I gave money to cutter to make a payday - wouldn't let me fix my car ;)
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Curse, obviously your knowledge of SAPD is outdated.
New regulations limit them to police cars.
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Please do remove them.
We might as well remove the escaping-system if we have them, it's impossible to escape even if you don't shoot. I think I've died multiple times because the pilot THOUGHT I shot at him even...
I mean... It's just way to overpowered and just plainly the opposite of fun.
Replace them with tanks or something
That again depends on the experience of the suspect to escape...
If you want to escape from a Hunter or Hydra, hire a proper getaway driver.
I always fancy a little action dodging incoming missiles. :lol:
At least, that's fun for me even if I get blasted away.
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I think hydras should only be used on aircraft, or fast vehicles that have been fleeing for over 30 minutes.
Hunters shouldn't even be on the server, they're totally retarded and overpowered.
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Curse, obviously your knowledge of SAPD is outdated.
New regulations limit them to police cars.
That was before the new regulations came out :neutral:.
I think hydras should only be used on aircraft, or fast vehicles that have been fleeing for over 30 minutes.
Hunters shouldn't even be on the server, they're totally retarded and overpowered.
They have auto aim minigun, disadvantage
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You can take down a hunter with three people easily- many ways to trap them.
Once you know how to use the craft, you eventally see all their flaws.
I was able to shoot down a hydra being flown by a SWAT commander once, and I was alone not to mention it was firing.
(RS4 Beta Open)
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That's one of the reasons why we DPD Denied SWAT in our PD ;)
Erhmm...Where is that based on???
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Due to the new SAPD regulations with officers only being allowed to use PD cars, I have deployed it constant on air recon patrol for the past day. I have set-up a set of rules with Chief Rafferty allowing it to be used to track fast suspects. as per usual, I will not open fire unless taken fire. Seeing as SAPD is at a major disadvantage with being restricted to patrol cars, we need something atleast that can keep up with an infernus. Bearing in mind there is only one hydra and one hunter in the server.
Yes. Leroy did open fire today at Queens, but that was because one of your people were stupid enough to shoot me down.
Those new regulations have been revoked until further notice!! So that means you still can use any vehicle you want, and also DB from it. But still, what happened to the good old requesting for roadblocks, like it was done before?
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Have nothing against them. I mean, I don't see them on my tail everytime and even if I do I just head to the nearest tunnel. Haven't been killed by them so much times..
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Oh look, it's this damn thread again.
Another moan topic, not to mention you complain about just about anything. I am not the only admin who has noted that.
Funny how your posted started with moan against moaners. You're all the same, moaners.
Also, nice move endorsing your own group, curse. We're not blind.
And you call yourself conservative? No comment.
Unlike your group, these organizations' top executives were appointed by the OWNERS.
And yet it's still used for such silly reasons.
If you think those restrictions are insufficient and superficial, then I challenge you to prove your point.
How about I give you some points so you can counter them instead.
Hydras should be used for helicopters and other aircraft. Some rare cases of boats.
Hunter should be NOT allowed at all.
Please prove theese two simple points wrong and give other cases when heavy artillery should be used.
You have one year to become an SAPD Department Chief or an FBI Division Chief.
Nigga, you serious?
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Before I even say anything, I've got NO experience in this game yet except from watching my cousin playing it for like 6+ months ago and it may have changed since then.
I don't see the problem with having a Hydra (jetplane) and the hunter following you except from that the little mini map have some dots showing where you are, it wouldn't be THAT hard to get away if you found a long tunnel like the one on the mountain that leads to an river with an airport. I'm not entirely sure what it's named but I think it's Los santos? My cousin was chasing some thieves once and when he lost sight he said he had to give up, but I said he could just look at the orange dot in the minimap and follow them but he told me thats not "RP"
From what I've watched from that time I think its VERY easy to just drop your eyes down and kinda "screenpick" to get the location and find them with the helicopter. Wouldn't it be a good idea to remove that map? or atleast the dots?
Except from that I think that bosses or respected admins should have that ability to spawn, if you have a form for admin rating you could like give the ability to admins that got much thumbs up or stars from other players :)
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That's one of the reasons why we DPD Denied SWAT in our PD ;)
Wasnt offered
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My cousin was chasing some thieves once and when he lost sight he said he had to give up, but I said he could just look at the orange dot in the minimap and follow them but he told me thats not "RP"
forget about what your cousin said and use common sense. :D
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forget about what your cousin said and use common sense. :D
I see what you did there. :gand:
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Come on Gandalf, remove them ):
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Come on Gandalf, remove them ):
Give them to Coastguard :cop:
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I've never yet seen a hydra shooting suspects until they shoot at it.
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Just remove them,Come on cops just shame on you...You cant take down suspects with fast cars/bikes or what ? PD cars are slow?(( we all know that they arent )) you got Buffalos for high speed pursuits,use them!or you suck at driving too ?then /duty and exit.
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Don't Remove them plox because then you will add tanks as i am sure or you will give to cops rocket launchers what ever cops will always have more advantages then criminals...
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Sometimes missunderstanding can accours, a random shoots the hydra/hunter and they think the suspects did it and return the fire.
Though I dislike that they have it I don't really care, it can create big roleplays and funny chases. That's the positive thing with it, I remembered when Dave chased me and Tommy and we we're on an NRG.
We lost Dave many times, we evaded him due to driving into tunnels underground parking areas etc. But he always came back and found us. That was a funny cop chases a criminal.
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I believe there was a similair topic last week.
However, 3 weeks ago, i was being chased, on my freeway-motorcycle, when all of the sudden a rocket passed me, shot by Battle :P . I'm not sure about the allowance of this, it's not upto me, but i don't think any ground vehicle should be attacked by a Hydra or a Hunter.
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You can take down a hunter with three people easily- many ways to trap them.
Let me guess... "JUST RP IT". ?
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Though I dislike that they have it I don't really care, it can create big roleplays and funny chases. That's the positive thing with it, I remembered when Dave chased me and Tommy and we we're on an NRG.
We lost Dave many times, we evaded him due to driving into tunnels underground parking areas etc. But he always came back and found us. That was a funny cop chases a criminal.
Its not a cop & Robbers server.Hunter or hydras should be removed otherwise needs strict rules to use Including "NEVER SHOOT GROUND VEHICULES".
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Due to the new SAPD regulations with officers only being allowed to use PD cars, I have deployed it constant on air recon patrol for the past day. I have set-up a set of rules with Chief Rafferty allowing it to be used to track fast suspects. as per usual, I will not open fire unless taken fire. Seeing as SAPD is at a major disadvantage with being restricted to patrol cars, we need something atleast that can keep up with an infernus. Bearing in mind there is only one hydra and one hunter in the server.
Yes. Leroy did open fire today at Queens, but that was because one of your people were stupid enough to shoot me down.
You forgot 1 thing.. you are not allowed to practice your SWAT commander rights because your chief.... Chief Pancher said the SFPD swat is not operational. That means, you can not ACT as SWAT COMMANDER!
hydras and hunters can not be used by swat leaders anymore
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Due to the new SAPD regulations with officers only being allowed to use PD cars, I have deployed it constant on air recon patrol for the past day. I have set-up a set of rules with Chief Rafferty allowing it to be used to track fast suspects. as per usual, I will not open fire unless taken fire. Seeing as SAPD is at a major disadvantage with being restricted to patrol cars, we need something atleast that can keep up with an infernus. Bearing in mind there is only one hydra and one hunter in the server.
Yes. Leroy did open fire today at Queens, but that was because one of your people were stupid enough to shoot me down.
>Cops finally get disadvantage
>Cops find new way to overpower criminals more than ever before
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Argonath is mostly about Cops and Criminals, and I think it's a good way of having fun.
Once I was reported for having HP Bug when I suspected and I remember one guy coming with a Hunter and shooting me down, I was like WTF? and laughed around.
And once CBFasi after chasing me a long time, with a Hunter I had a smart attitude and shot it, I was down after 3 secs xD
Think about it in this way - You have fun fleeing the cops, cops have fun fucking you up.
Everybody has fun and that's what about gaming is - having fun.
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You forgot 1 thing.. you are not allowed to practice your SWAT commander rights because your chief.... Chief Pancher said the SFPD swat is not operational. That means, you can not ACT as SWAT COMMANDER!
hydras and hunters can not be used by swat leaders anymore
Read the topic again. Not operational util we had cleared up what were were going to do, which we did. I then cancelled all operations and shutdown my SWAT team because of the mess you caused due to this whole idea of seperate SWAT teams. You may also find that I disregarded your orders and was operating under presidential advise and orders. Think and check out everything before you post, sir.
I went behind your back, and everyone else at SAPD command and went straight to Gandalf the day after you decided on your new regulations. I couldn't stand by and watch the utter abuse of SWAT rights. Me flying a hydra? Screw that, what about SWAT HQ being nearly empty of vehicles, SWAT operatives performing traffic stops, weapon equip abuse...everything you can think of was happening. You clearly do not understand how SWAT is supposed to operate, and like Gandalf said to me on MSN, it's due to lack of experience. The whole thing with SAPD was so f**ked up, who else would I go to? You refused to listen to what we said at ARUN so I had no other choice to get Gandalf involved.
The blame is only on you here, no-one else. You caused this mess by intoducing "improvements" and failing to do your job as SAPD Chief by focusing on one department. It is not the fault of others that you did not make yourself clear, and that all four versions of the SWAT rules are so contradictory that we can basically do whatever the f**k we want.
Do not even think about lecturing me on how to be a SWAT Commander when you yourself have no fucking clue what SWAT is even supposed to do.
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And once CBFasi after chasing me a long time, with a Hunter I had a smart attitude and shot it, I was down after 3 secs xD
Well, that reminds me of when i was a suspect, and did drive to the right at a corner and there was CBF with he's tank, and it didn't end good :lol:
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Dave Hank has a point... Non Operational means dont use SWAT rights... and the Hunter - Hydra are SWAT
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Dave Hank has a point... Non Operational means dont use SWAT rights... and the Hunter - Hydra are SWAT
Oh dear, I breached protocol on the new regulations, when I said I was operating under the old, you know, the ones when SWAT was one whole group? And not stuipd stupid far apart little overpowered fire-teams. SAPD is supposed to work together as one whole, not be seperated by stupid regulations...
This isn't the first time this has happened.
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SWAT is and will keep loosing quality if in-experinced people are put in charge, for example
How can a guy who has been SAPD for less than x months and NEVER been in SWAT become a SWAT team leader over-night. Dave if you are experinced leader then how come you choose someone like Liam Priece as team leader?
you say Hank doesnt know what SWAT is about, is your new team-leader any better?
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Oh dear, I breached protocol on the new regulations, when I said I was operating under the old, you know, the ones when SWAT was one whole group? And not stuipd stupid far apart little overpowered fire-teams. SAPD is supposed to work together as one whole, not be seperated by stupid regulations...
This isn't the first time this has happened.
This.
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SAPD fighting. I love this. :rofl:
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SWAT is and will keep loosing quality if in-experinced people are put in charge, for example
How can a guy who has been SAPD for less than x months and NEVER been in SWAT become a SWAT team leader over-night. Dave if you are experinced leader then how come you choose someone like Liam Priece as team leader?
you say Hank doesnt know what SWAT is about, is your new team-leader any better?
There are two team leaders, one is Jimmy and the other is Liam. I decided to give Liam a chance to prove himself...
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Read the topic again. Not operational util we had cleared up what were were going to do, which we did. I then cancelled all operations and shutdown my SWAT team because of the mess you caused due to this whole idea of seperate SWAT teams. You may also find that I disregarded your orders and was operating under presidential advise and orders. Think and check out everything before you post, sir.
I went behind your back, and everyone else at SAPD command and went straight to Gandalf the day after you decided on your new regulations. I couldn't stand by and watch the utter abuse of SWAT rights. Me flying a hydra? Screw that, what about SWAT HQ being nearly empty of vehicles, SWAT operatives performing traffic stops, weapon equip abuse...everything you can think of was happening. You clearly do not understand how SWAT is supposed to operate, and like Gandalf said to me on MSN, it's due to lack of experience. The whole thing with SAPD was so f**ked up, who else would I go to? You refused to listen to what we said at ARUN so I had no other choice to get Gandalf involved.
The blame is only on you here, no-one else. You caused this mess by intoducing "improvements" and failing to do your job as SAPD Chief by focusing on one department. It is not the fault of others that you did not make yourself clear, and that all four versions of the SWAT rules are so contradictory that we can basically do whatever the f**k we want.
Do not even think about lecturing me on how to be a SWAT Commander when you yourself have no f**king clue what SWAT is even supposed to do.
I hate to break it to you bub but Hank knows 10x more than you do about what SWAT is supposed to do. At least SAPD SWAT. I'm not sure how erm, the VCPD SWAT works but when you have a lot of criminals it's a bit different.
Oh dear, I breached protocol on the new regulations, when I said I was operating under the old, you know, the ones when SWAT was one whole group? And not stuipd stupid far apart little overpowered fire-teams. SAPD is supposed to work together as one whole, not be seperated by stupid regulations...
This isn't the first time this has happened.
lol are you kidding me. NON OPERATIONAL = DO NOT DO STUFF. That's not apart of a "new stupid regulation". Damn man, you've got some nerve.
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I hate to break it to you bub but Hank knows 10x more than you do about what SWAT is supposed to do. At least SAPD SWAT. I'm not sure how erm, the VCPD SWAT works but when you have a lot of criminals it's a bit different.
Did I even reference VC SWAT? No, I did not. Clearly, from Hank's guidelines and rules for SWAT, he does not know that Special Weapons and Tactics are not supposed to patrol 10 hours a day, perform roadblock and do stupid activities while not on a callout.
When SWAT is not on a callout - they're on normal police duty. Don't be a smartass with me.
To be honest, you can fire me, suspend me or copban me all you want, but I refuse to back down until this whole mess with SAPD is cleared up. I cannot work within a department that is split into departments that seem to be so distanced that they operate like seperate states.
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Answering Altair's points...
Hydras are already used for helicopters and other aircraft, and the only ground vehicle that should be fired upon is an NRG due to the easily manipulative nature when mixed with lag- renders it unstoppable except by a master lag shooter with a lucky aim.
Other than that, I see no reason to shoot at a ground target unless it has fired at the craft, which is why I do not understand the shit about "your car was fired on because you have become too risky to police".
As for Hunters on boats, once a person in a boat exits the inland map range, they are pretty much untrackable unless they give hints, making it easy to go around the map and get an easy cancelsuspect. Hunter are used to prevent that and keep them inland.
For additional situations, I would rather not state FBI protocol in full before someone finds ways to exploit its weak points, but I'm pretty much aware we are not allowed to fire on anything on the ground that has not fired on us or escalated into a full riot, the only exceptions being NRGs.
Inb4 Dave's termination by Hank from SAPD on the grounds of Insubordination... :roll:
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I couldn't stand by and watch the utter abuse of SWAT rights. Me flying a hydra? Screw that, what about SWAT HQ being nearly empty of vehicles, SWAT operatives performing traffic stops, weapon equip abuse...everything you can think of was happening.
I'm sorry but the only one guy I saw abusing his rights was you, flying with the Hydra almost all the time when it was not needed at all.
You also said in /r that each SWAT group has to stay in his juridiction (LS for SWAT LSPD / LV for SWAT LVPD etc..) so why were you almost all the time flying with your hydra at LS ?!
And you also tell in /r that SWAT must not be on SWAT duty 24/7, I didn't see you on normal duty since yesterday.
So please, don't accuse people about abusing powers when you were the only one doing it. Just assume what you did and stop blaming people for things they didn't do.
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I'm sorry but the only one guy I saw abusing his rights was you, flying with the Hydra almost all the time when it was not needed at all.
You also said in /r that each SWAT group has to stay in his juridiction (LS for SWAT LSPD / LV for SWAT LVPD etc..) so why were you almost all the time flying with your hydra at LS ?!
And you also tell in /r that SWAT must not be on SWAT duty 24/7, I didn't see you on normal duty since yesterday.
So please, don't accuse people about abusing powers when you were the only one doing it. Just assume what you did and stop blaming people for things they didn't do.
I was in co-operation with LV SWAT, on a full SA air patrol. Again, I said I was operating under the old SWAT regulations, where SWAT was one group, not stupid seperate ones.
I was hardly on today and yesterday. As for abuse, I was refering to usage of fast pursuit vehicles while on SWAT duty, and also /weaponequip abuse, and abuse of SWAT resources...
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You had 1 chance Dave, good luck buddy.
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I was refering to usage of fast pursuit vehicles while on SWAT duty, and also /weaponequip abuse, and abuse of SWAT resources...
About the Fast Pursuit Vehicles, if you speak about the Buffalos, they are SWAT ones, so it's Police vehicule with megaphone and all the stuff, like the LVPD Pursuit ones.
About the /weaponequip abuse, I don't know what you talking about, there is log so they can check it easily no problem with that
And SWAT ressources, what is that ?
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You had 1 chance Dave, good luck buddy.
One chance that should not even be decided by someone who has as much inexperience as you for running a department successfully as one whole. The times have chanegd since you were with your buddy Luca. Getup to date, let people have fun and stop living in the past.
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I was hardly on today and yesterday. As for abuse, I was refering to usage of fast pursuit vehicles while on SWAT duty, and also /weaponequip abuse, and abuse of SWAT resources...
You consider /weaponequip as abuse and not the hydra?
To be honest, you can fire me, suspend me or copban me all you want, but I refuse to back down until this whole mess with SAPD is cleared up. I cannot work within a department that is split into departments that seem to be so distanced that they operate like seperate states.
Dave if you want to have a serious discussion and object what is being done to SAPD, then sit down with the leaders and even invite the president if you want and tell your objections ofcourse with respect.
BUT this is just a public show, you might aswell smile for the camera's.
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Dave if you want to have a serious discussion and object what is being done to SAPD, then sit down with the leaders and even invite the president if you want and tell your objections ofcourse with respect.
Do you not think I have tried that? It does not work as the leader's refuse to listen. That is the reason why I talked to Gandalf and not SAPD Command. As with SAPD Command, ignorance seems to be bliss for them. Reality of the matter is, a problem won't go away if you ignore it.
As for Hydra usage, don't be such a fucking liar and hypocrite Hank. You know very fine well that I cleared my usage with you before I started using it.
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I'm sorry but the only one guy I saw abusing his rights was you, flying with the Hydra almost all the time when it was not needed at all.
You also said in /r that each SWAT group has to stay in his juridiction (LS for SWAT LSPD / LV for SWAT LVPD etc..) so why were you almost all the time flying with your hydra at LS ?!
And you also tell in /r that SWAT must not be on SWAT duty 24/7, I didn't see you on normal duty since yesterday.
So please, don't accuse people about abusing powers when you were the only one doing it. Just assume what you did and stop blaming people for things they didn't do.
I agree 100% with Ollen. I too have seen you fly around with your Hydra asking for any high speed pursuits in which you could intercept.
Do not even think about lecturing me on how to be a SWAT Commander when you yourself have no f**king clue what SWAT is even supposed to do.
You were lucky enough to get a chance from Hank to prove yourself. This is how you used that chance.
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You were lucky enough to get a chance from Hank to prove yourself. This is how you used that chance.
I do not need to prove myself to backstabbing pricks who go behind friend's backs and mess up a well planned out departmental construct due to their own selfish beliefs and desires.
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Guys.... Guys... This is going out of control... Please calm down... Discuss this on PM :)
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I do not need to prove myself to backstabbing pricks who go behind friend's backs and mess up a well planned out departmental construct due to their own selfish beliefs and desires.
You're now calling others pricks just because you couldn't control yourself as a SWAT Commander. I salute you, David.
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You're now calling others pricks just because you couldn't control yourself as a SWAT Commander. I salute you, David.
That had nothing to do with SWAT, it had everything to do with the formation of LVPD, where Mr Chief here decided to go behind the planning team's back, shove us all out of the department one by one and assume ultimate control for himself.
Got to love how these things are not told, as it can change a person's outlook on another.
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That had nothing to do with SWAT, it had everything to do with the formation of LVPD, where Mr Chief here decided to go behind the planning team's back, shove us all out of the department one by one and assume ultimate control for himself.
Got to love how these things are not told, as it can change a person's outlook on another.
So you're blaming the formation of LVPD for your Hydra abuse? Get real. Nobody is to blame but you and your decisions as a SWAT commander.
I don't even understand how you got a chance as a SWAT commander with your childish attitude and your wild imagination that you are the top dog, the best Commander in the history of ARPD. Like i said, snap back to reality and learn to accept.
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I have something to actually say, about SAPD and SWAT. I will agree that SWAT now is just some normal cops baseically who set up annoying checkpoints and just patroling. Also of the fact you guys just fly your hydra/hunter and orange dot hunt every suspect who is too *fast*. Also the fact of actually making SWAT to 3 different groups is quite freak en stupid IMO, as Dave said, SWAT should work as one group as a team. Also about us having too drive just cop cars is quite lame, you tell us too call SWAT if we can't find them? Well sir, what you gonna do? Go get your Hydra and just shoot them of course. Plus SWAT doesn't seem to be as serious anymore neither cause of how you guys just go on it set up checkpoint's and go after every suspect that people say they need backup on. Why you think the gun regulation's were changed? So we have to call SWAT to save us every second.
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I have something to actually say, about SAPD and SWAT. I will agree that SWAT now is just some normal cops baseically who set up annoying checkpoints and just patroling. Also of the fact you guys just fly your hydra/hunter and orange dot hunt every suspect who is too *fast*. Also the fact of actually making SWAT to 3 different groups is quite freak en stupid IMO, as Dave said, SWAT should work as one group as a team. Also about us having too drive just cop cars is quite lame, you tell us too call SWAT if we can't find them? Well sir, what you gonna do? Go get your Hydra and just shoot them of course. Plus SWAT doesn't seem to be as serious anymore neither cause of how you guys just go on it set up checkpoint's and go after every suspect that people say they need backup on. Why you think the gun regulation's were changed? So we have to call SWAT to save us every second.
Hello can you please use spaces, fullstops and paragraphs?
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So you're blaming the formation of LVPD for your Hydra abuse? Get real. Nobody is to blame but you and your decisions as a SWAT commander.
I don't even understand how you got a chance as a SWAT commander with your childish attitude and your wild imagination that you are the top dog, the best Commander in the history of ARPD. Like i said, snap back to reality and learn to accept.
And when did I say any of those things? Learn to read and understand.
I'm not even going to bother discussion this anymore. My views of SAPD will not change until there is some proof that it will actually become stable. As of then, I refuse to operate under SAPD Command.
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I think some people are just coming here and saying "omg how daer he say dose fings to hank, i wants sapd cheifs ritez plz" and defending him. I'm not sure people realise what is even going on, and they just want to come into it. Curse came on moaning about hydras, someone else came in moaning about SWAT, Dave came in moaning about Hydras, Hank came in moaning about Dave not kissing his ass like the rest of SAPD are atm, dave defended himself, and now Kirby is moaning because David is standing up for himself, as he doesnt follow that the subject changed 12 posts before he even started reading them.
In Short, All I've seen in this post is Dave trying to tell people what is going on, and the tight niche that is SAPD all covering eachovers ass's.
Oh, and you all like a good moan dont you? not sure anyone on this server actuually knows what moaning means though, they just shout it whenever someone talks in /p after they die.
SAPD/SWAT have the chance to create a lot of fun, and a lot of great roleplay, and it all gets thrown away for IG cash and pissing orangenames off.
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Hello can you please use spaces, fullstops and paragraphs?
No thanks. I don't please to.
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As of then, I refuse to operate under SAPD Command.
Then please do hand in your badge and resign honourably.
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Then please do hand in your badge and resign honourably.
Honourably? There is no honour within SAPD as far as I am concerned.
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And when did I say any of those things? Learn to read and understand.
I'm not even going to bother discussion this anymore. My views of SAPD will not change until there is some proof that it will actually become stable. As of then, I refuse to operate under SAPD Command.
If i were the SAPD Command, I wouldn't even want you to operate in the department. Your stubbornness and radical responses are appalling. You're just digging yourself an early grave.
Honourably? There is no honour within SAPD as far as I am concerned.
Honoring the security guard badge would be a perfect choice for a person with your view and understanding of the members and the department as a whole.
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I consider many of my closest online friends to be in the SAPD, I respect my peers and am honoured to be able to serve with them. I do not agree with everyone, but I do understand that everyone has their own viewpoints and some are more adament than others.
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I do not need to prove myself to backstabbing pricks who go behind friend's backs and mess up a well planned out departmental construct due to their own selfish beliefs and desires.
And now the truth reveals itself.... Still cannot get over the fact the whole SAPD command staff voted against you to be a leader of LVPD. Incredible how some people hold grudges. It just goes to show how much of a stubborn little child you are to act in such disrespect towards Hank. He is one of the most respected cops on this god damned server and you are a fool to try and demolish his reputation as that.
Pathetic, completely and utterly pathetic...... consider yourself shunned from the SAPD and everything involving it, and consider yourself lucky for not ending up banned from the ARPD forums for causing this ridiculous argument between the police forces. You disgust me.
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Actually you all are digging your graves earlier... What do you think will happend if noone can get along? I know what will happend and that is that SAPD will go down the drain, and what will people do? Well they will go to Gandalf and cry that noone pays any attention on what they are trying to say. Get this fact straight this is just a damn game if you can't see the difference between RL stuff and a game then I suggest you put yourself in a asylum and get a good rest with the white hugable jacket.
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If i were the SAPD Command, I wouldn't even want you to operate in the department. Your stubbornness and radical responses are appalling. You're just digging yourself an early grave.
Digging myself a grave where? A fake police department? Seriously. It's a game, we have fun. I lost respect for SAPD a long time ago when they removed the meaning of fun and put in a shitload of rules and regulations. I lost my respect years ago when Luca was in charge....I almost found it again when it was CBF and Pancher, but that was until Hank stepped in...which was a ghost from past events.
And now the truth reveals itself.... Still cannot get over the fact the whole SAPD command staff voted against you to be a leader of LVPD. Incredible how some people hold grudges. It just goes to show how much of a stubborn little child you are to act in such disrespect towards Hank. He is one of the most respected cops on this god damned server and you are a fool to try and demolish his reputation as that.
Pathetic, completely and utterly pathetic...... consider yourself shunned from the SAPD and everything involving it, and consider yourself lucky for not ending up banned from the ARPD forums for causing this ridiculous argument between the police forces. You disgust me.
Oh the hipocracy and irony of it all. Do not talk to me about grudges, you have to be one of the main people who hold a grudge against me, you and the rest of your LSPD staff.
I outrank you as ARPD Command on a whole, therefore you cannot ban me...shun me from SAPD yes, but not ban me from ARPD.
And dont worry, I already removed my SAPD forum rights.
Demolish his reputation? stop hiding from the god damned truth,, Vince. Grow up and stop being so ignorant to what goes on around you.
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I think some people are just coming here and saying "omg how daer he say dose fings to hank, i wants sapd cheifs ritez plz" and defending him. I'm not sure people realise what is even going on, and they just want to come into it. Curse came on moaning about hydras, someone else came in moaning about SWAT, Dave came in moaning about Hydras, Hank came in moaning about Dave not kissing his ass like the rest of SAPD are atm, dave defended himself, and now Kirby is moaning because David is standing up for himself, as he doesnt follow that the subject changed 12 posts before he even started reading them.
In Short, All I've seen in this post is Dave trying to tell people what is going on, and the tight niche that is SAPD all covering eachovers ass's.
Hmm, that is what I have seen too.
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I lost respect for SAPD a long time ago when they removed the meaning of fun and put in a shitload of rules and regulations.
So why accept your new position as SWAT commander then? why didnt you say your objection's first and what you think and everything then if everything was upto scratch accept your new position?
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So why accept your new position as SWAT commander then? why didnt you say your objection's first and what you think and everything then if everything was upto scratch accept your new position?
I did not even accept it. I got told I was SWAT commander and that was the end of it.
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I did not even accept it. I got told I was SWAT commander and that was the end of it.
Dave am sure you are not retarded but once you were told you were SWAT Commander why didnt you speak up about your objections and shit rather than take the keys to hydra
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Dave am sure you are not retarded but once you were told you were SWAT Commander why didnt you speak up about your objections and shit rather than take the keys to hydra
I did speak up my objections, but no-one but Gandalf was willing to listen.
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Those who are smart enough to understand this, They feel safe in their cradle's, put once it gets rockin' the big man will come knockin'
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Those who are smart enough to understand this, They feel safe in their cradle's, put once it gets rockin' the big man will come knockin'
Yep, and I hope this happens. As a major wakeup call like that is what is needed.
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Yep, and I hope this happens. As a major wakeup call like that is what is needed.
The only wake up call is us finding out that you're just a considerably stubborn and dumb person who is complaining about the SAPD and blaming your faults on LVPD and the structure as a whole just because you couldn't lead a SWAT team for shit.
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The only wake up call is us finding out that you're just a considerably stubborn and dumb person who is complaining about the SAPD and blaming your faults on LVPD and the structure as a whole just because you couldn't lead a SWAT team for shit.
Sir, your provocative comments aren't working.
The only dumb person here is you, who is too busy with his face against someone's ass trying so hard not to get fired that he cannot see the reality of things going on.
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Sir, your provocative comments aren't working.
The only dumb person here is you, who is too busy with his face against someone's ass trying so hard not to get fired that he cannot see the reality of things going on.
Provocation? This is fact.
Fact: You think you can lead but you can't lead for shit.
Fact: You blame others for the problems you have faced.
Fact: You're the one with your head so far up your damn ass that you fail to realize all your complaining won't change shit.
Fact: If you leave/get fired from SAPD, nobody will give a shit and we won't feel any effect since you're useless.
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Provocation? This is fact.
Fact: You think you can lead but you can't lead for shit.
Fact: You blame others for the problems you have faced.
Fact: You're the one with your head so far up your damn ass that you fail to realize all your complaining won't change shit.
Fact: If you leave/get fired from SAPD, nobody will give a shit and we won't feel any effect since you're useless.
Do I care? No.
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Okay,
So since everyone else is throwing in their two cents I guess I should throw in mine. I just wanted to say that working with Dave today in the Hydra I didn't see any abuse on his part. We didn't even take down any suspects today. As to what has happened the last two days I have no say in. I am just saying from the evidence that I saw today. Dave was not in the wrong. The only thing Dave could have been construed as abuse is POSSIBLY ordering the helicopter that was over the four dragons casino to land or be blown out of the air.
Otherwise, we were just flying around in a Hydra responding to calls and realizing most of today that we weren't needed. So to be clear, as far as I am concerned there was no abuse of Hydra's to speak of today.
Now, regarding the SWAT Regulations, I have no say in that either because I am currently not a SWAT Cadet or Operative.
To Dave:
You will always be a friend of mine no matter what happens.
ADD: The helicopter had a suspect in it. For those of you that werent there.
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Sir, your provocative comments aren't working.
The only dumb person here is you, who is too busy with his face against someone's ass trying so hard not to get fired that he cannot see the reality of things going on.
Ummm No Just No, Kirby is a better leader then you
Only thing bad about Kirby is his attitude
Stop calling people asslickers because all I have seen you do is go to Gandalf and kiss his ass "Gandalf please do this; fire him please Gandalf"
I use to look up to you but after reading all this bullshit you are posting...
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I did speak up my objections, but no-one but Gandalf was willing to listen.
So if you spoke up and saw shit not going your way...WHY not denied the commander position?
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FYI Dave is a good leader.
Dont comment on what you dont know thanks.
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Ummm No Just No, Kirby is a better leader then you
Only thing bad about Kirby is his attitude
Stop calling people asslickers because all I have seen you do is go to Gandalf and kiss his ass "Gandalf please do this; fire him please Gandalf"
I use to look up to you but after reading all this bullshit you are posting...
I do not kiss ask, I ask Gandalf is he can do whatever. I earned my respect and proved my loyalty to the owners a long time ago. I do not care what the players think of me. Like It says in my signature, my loyalties lie with both of the owners not any of you players. I do not csre what the players think, as long as I carry out my job as an admin no matter the senario, I'm happy. The players can think what they like about me.
So if you spoke up and saw shit not going your way...WHY not denied the commander position?
I basically did when I refused to operate under Hank's rules.
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I basically did when I refused to operate under Hank's rules.
BULLSHIT, You kept the badge
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BULLSHIT, You kept the badge
I kept the badge but I was not operating under SAPD command. I was operating under Presidential directive. Can you not read my previous posts?
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I kept the badge but I was not operating under SAPD command. I was operating under Presidential directive. Can you not read my previous posts?
asslicking directive^
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There is no "hierarchy" in the ARPD David. The only possible hierarchy are the ARPD forum admins.. who are all server leaders or Gandalf/Aragorn and known as the President and Prime Minister...
I kept the badge but I was not operating under SAPD command. I was operating under Presidential directive. Can you not read my previous posts?
Until I removed it. If you want to play that game...
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There is no "hierarchy" in the ARPD David. The only possible hierarchy are the ARPD forum admins.. who are all server leaders or Gandalf/Aragorn and known as the President and Prime Minister...
Until I removed it. If you want to play that game...
I expected it to get removed. I was expecting to be fired as soon as I started last night. It wasn't even a shock to me. Don't act all hard and powerful. I had the balls to stand up to you and Hank, I did even have to asskiss my way anywhere. And I know for a fact, you all hated me for it.
As for ARPD hierachy...you do not go messing with other ARPD Command staff's profiles. I expect those forum rights to be set back by tommorrow morning.
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I expected it to get removed. I was expecting to be fired as soon as I started last night. It wasn't even a shock to me. Don't act all hard and powerful. I had the balls to stand up to you and Hank, I did even have to asskiss my way anywhere. And I know for a fact, you all hated me for it.
As for ARPD hierachy...you do not go messing with other ARPD Command staff's profiles. I expect those forum rights to be set back by tommorrow morning.
Lol, learn to read your PMs...
Also, if we "hated you" so much why did we decided to make you SWAT Commander for SFPD? Did we have other options? Yes. Did we decide to give you a chance? Yes. Did Pancher want you, I give you a chance, and Hank agree to have you as SFPD SWAT commander? Yes... and you can even have Gandalf check that if you'd like buddy. ;)
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Lol, learn to read your PMs...
Also, if we "hated you" so much why did we decided to make you SWAT Commander for SFPD? Did we have other options? Yes. Did we decide to give you a chance? Yes. Did Pancher want you, I give you a chance, and Hank agree to have you as SFPD SWAT commander? Yes... and you can even have Gandalf check that if you'd like buddy. ;)
And from my ARPD forum PM to you seeing as you refuse to listen:
An accident? Funny thing is, I removed my SAPD rights an hour before you even touched my profile. Do not lie to me Vince. Set the rights back now, or I will get someone of a higher power involved.
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SAPD fighting. I love this. :rofl:
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Righht.... we lost 2 good officers well thats FUCKING GREAT :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :girl: :alert" :alert" :war: :war: :war: :war: :war:
:ps: DAMN
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Righht.... we lost 2 good officers well thats f**kING GREAT :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :girl: :alert" :alert" :war: :war: :war: :war: :war:
:ps: DAMN
Maybe if they can set the regulation's back, SAPD will be better.
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Why the hell should everyone else (cops) be disadvantaged with being limited to vehicles while those who can use hydras/hunters gain even more advantages?
I see more people complaining about the use of hydras/hunters than those who are defending them. And most people defending them are those who can use them anyway - they don't see from the perspective of everyone else.
Personally I'd like to see them removed. I liked the system before they were introduced, but I guess they won't be removed because the ones who have the ability to spawn them are the ones who make the decisions for SAPD anyway...
Edit: replied to this thinking it was the ARPD forum, so when I say "everyone else" I mean most cops.
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Why the hell should everyone else (cops) be disadvantaged with being limited to vehicles while those who can use hydras/hunters gain even more advantages?
I see more people complaining about the use of hydras/hunters than those who are defending them. And most people defending them are those who can use them anyway - they don't see from the perspective of everyone else.
Personally I'd like to see them removed. I liked the system before they were introduced, but I guess they won't be removed because the ones who have the ability to spawn them are the ones who make the decisions for SAPD anyway...
I would also. But what can we do? Nothing we aren't the high in command. It won't go back cause only they get too decide. Also, yes exactly half of SAPD members also don't agree with this Hydra/hunter thing, also cop cars and all that. And neither do I.
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What the SAPD needs is stronger and better leadership. If you look at the FBI, the people who make decisions are accomplished and respected leaders in their own right, and I'm proud to say one of them is my mentor.
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What the SAPD needs is stronger and better leadership. If you look at the FBI, the people who make decisions are accomplished and respected leaders in their own right, and I'm proud to say one of them is my mentor.
For once in this topic I have to agree with JDC.
Hank, Vince get out of my thread, this thread was not made to limit freedom of speach, it is an open discussion, if you're going to fire Dave for insubordination (which is false) or w,e shit reason remember what goes around comes around.
Dave like any other SAPD member has the right to say his part, if you do not like, it tough, this is Argonath RPG, not N.Korea.
Argonath needs CBF back, he is the only good leader. Everyone else just fails in comparison.
I'm sorry Hank, but I watched for months and you accomplished nothing good apart from recently regarding the cops being limited only to police vehicles- which drastically reduced the amount of reckless drivers, but then you go and suspend that rule due to your inferior ranking officers saying it presents a disadvantage, although you would be able to fix that by reminding them of the buffaloes and possibly adding some [SAPD] infernus's.
What will it be? You give-up this controversial, un needed and cursed hydras (or at-least,) hunter or you continue to wallow in your own mess? :neutral:
I doubt any of your realised what you had until it was gone - your chief, CBF.
SWAT has always been inactive / worthless compared to ordinary cops, this is true, and I've said this before , months , a year maybe, most SWAT have grown to hate me for thinking this, but still. It's true, and yet ordinary cops (freecops especially) are treated like dirt.
I was 3 days in the game, I became a cop, something happened with a civilian who was driving recklessly, I pulled him over and did the usual checks, talked etc, I then told him to go. Then this Dark blue topcop came along and said "why did you let him go", I told him he was given a warning, then that Dark blue cop went loco. I said, no I'm not about to give him a ticket if I can give him a warning, he was new like me. So, then I get suspected and dragged to DPD, where I end up meeting some officers, all dark blue SGTS / Lt's ass kissers etc. There is this man (flameman), who has no clue whatsoever regarding this situaton, he begins to act all tough and asks me what I'm doing. I told him. He then makes up some stuff saying I do not respect my higher ranks, then he says speak to the chief, Pancher comes along and i have to tell him everything. I spent 4 hours there, then he said after 30 or so minutes "I have to go", I said ok. Then he left... Flameman came back in, then after a heated exchange of me sayin I will not follow orders that are 1 il-legal, 2 just plane lack common sense. I get cop-banned. Wow, a brand new cop, cop banned for not following orders or speaking up to his apparent superiors (which was wrong, I was a freecop, but w.e). From that day on, I was weary of rubbish, I eventually became FBI to combat against these so called cops who would just bully new cops. I had fun in FBI, it was very different to SAPD, there was compassion for suspects, and even when speaking to new cops, then, not how SAPD treats them and say they are probably abusers. I only realised there was good in SAPD when I met CBF, he was the only one who restored any faith in Argonath for me. You can say a lot of shit, even blame it on the officer named above, but what ever you do, it will always exist, it's clear without proper leaders SAPD and SWAT will fall into the pits of hell.
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Too late, i'm already out of SAPD.
And for once in my life, I agree with you 100%, Curse.
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For once in this topic I have to agree with JDC.
Hank, Vince get out of my thread, this thread was not made to limit freedom of speach, it is an open discussion, if you're going to fire Dave for insubordination (which is false) or w,e shit reason remember what goes around comes around.
Dave like any other SAPD member has the right to say his part, if you do not like, it tough, this is Argonath RPG, not N.Korea.
Argonath needs CBF back, he is the only good leader. Everyone else just fails in comparison.
I'm sorry Hank, but I watched for months and you accomplished nothing good apart from recently regarding the cops being limited only to police vehicles- which drastically reduced the amount of reckless drivers, but then you go and suspend that rule due to your inferior ranking officers saying it presents a disadvantage, although you would be able to fix that by reminding them of the buffaloes and possibly adding some [SAPD] infernus's.
What will it be? You give-up this controversial, un needed and cursed hydras (or at-least,) hunter or you continue to wallow in your own mess? :neutral:
I doubt any of your realised what you had until it was gone - your chief, CBF.
SWAT has always been inactive / worthless compared to ordinary cops, this is true, and I've said this before , months , a year maybe, most SWAT have grown to hate me for thinking this, but still. It's true, and yet ordinary cops (freecops especially) are disregarded.
Couldnt agree more.
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Letting them shoot at suspects who driving cars, is the same shit on letting suspects cop hunt.
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Too late, i'm already out of SAPD.
And for once in my life, I agree with you 100%, Curse.
Funny that, I have always agreed with you, well at least most of the time, although I do not post usually giving a damn, with respect to what people have to say, other then those the text is targeted at.
A lot of SAPD officers have talked to me, ingame, in cB, in MSN, in forums regarding everything.
I am actually angry right now and my whole back tingles in frustration.
I would not be surprised if FBI would come in now and take control of SAPD, investigate all the top senior officers for corruption (even the good ones, just to make sure), to at-least restore its weak reputation ( in a big RP way ), but then and again a lot of people (high ranked and kiss ups) will be annoyed, and it'd not look good for the owners that there is this stuff.
I want to bring focus back to my post above, Hank, vince please read and worship it.
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What has just happened here..?
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What has just happened here..?
Have you not noticed a thing ? The whole of the time I've been here it's been the same, on and off.
It's never really about the suspects, it's never really about the moaning, it's always about the stability of Argonath.
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So if you spoke up and saw shit not going your way...WHY not denied the commander position?
I basically did when I refused to operate under Hank's rules.
So you accept the badge YET you decide not to follow their orders? Smart
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So you accept the badge YET you decide not to follow their orders? Smart
I followed Presidential directive. President> SAPD Chief. Why? Because if I resumed operations like Hank was telling us to, we would have been copbanned for 30 days.
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In GTAIV, NOOSE Teams use Annihilator Helicopters which resemble the Blackhawk used by US Armed Forces.
I guess the same applies here with SWAT using military-grade equipment on some occiasions.
It definatly serves its purpose by shooting down aircraft and not abused by making police work easier.
I'd rather not have an Army Branch added as the 4th line of law enforcement to the ARPD.
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Oh yeah, as soon one group of cops got advantage over other group of cops, moaning begins .
Admins insulting admins, Officers insulting Officers, SWAT Commander arguing LSPD Chief, etc.
And all this years you were screaming at us " Criminals don't moan" or "Moan topic" or "GTFO server" or "There's not advantages , gtfo moaners".
And now as soon as all of you, got just little, I repeat, little, butt fucked, like we're been getting for years now, all Hell breaks in SAPD.
Now I don't give a damn about your argument, but I wanna know what you guys gonna do about the miss usage of hydra/hunter?
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The president could restructure the SAPD in the same manner the Admin Team was.
Most preferably with a change of leadership and the high standards of FBI: quality over quantity.
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Now I don't give a damn about your argument, but I wanna know what you guys gonna do about the miss usage of hydra/hunter?
In my opinion we should remove the hydra and hunter. It's for low skilled cops who can't catch criminals because of their lack of skills. I was always against this since this was introduced, so we should remove them totally so nobody can use them anymore. Even if they are not removed i will make sure that LS Swat will be disallowed to use it.
It's sad to see how some cops try the easy way instead of training themselves and working as a team to fight crime. With some old divisions that were created in the past, we proved that it's possible to catch any car even when it's an infernus. If the suspects are in a plane or in a heli, well then wait till they land and make sure your fast enough on scene to catch the criminals before they escape.
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But, What will we do when every suspect escapes to the skies knowing we don't have a Hydra or Hunter anymore?
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But, What will we do when every suspect escapes to the skies knowing we don't have a Hydra or Hunter anymore?
They cannot loose their wanted level by staying in the sky.
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They can land in a part so distant we cannot get there in time to catch them.
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They can land in a part so distant we cannot get there in time to catch them.
Whenever I'm on patrol, I made it a habit of ordering someone to get a bird in the air (Police Maverick) and perform aerial reconnaissance and respond to situations quickly and provide information to ground units.
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Do not even think about lecturing me on how to be a SWAT Commander when you yourself have no f**king clue what SWAT is even supposed to do.
And you do?
You've never been part of SWAT. In my long time of serving I never saw you 'oppurrate wit swut'. Do you even have a microphone?
Your practical experience is 0, look at the LSPD SWAT team for guidance ----------------
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I agree. Hunters & Hydras are never necessary.
I quickly skimmed over the content of this topic, and I must say...It is quite interesting. A lot of you made some good points. From what I see there is two clear sides - Curse & Dave, and Vince & Hank...I read all their arguments...And I don't think it'd be very professional of me to state who's side I am on. But that sentence alone should give you a pretty good idea.
Note that I am all thumbs up for a SAPD Restructure, like was done with the Admin Team...Because it's necessary, and it'll really make the PD more fun, active and respectable if Gandalf fully intervened and presents his vision for the structure of SAPD...
I remember in 2007 (Sorry to bring up the past. I know you all hate it :lol:), Aragorn was ultimately in charge of the SAPD...And he chose who led the PD's...I remember when he appointed me as the DPD Captain, then DPD Chief...Why? Cuz he knew I had the skills, dedication and ability to lead it...And look at me now! Still doing it! :D
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And you do?
You've never been part of SWAT. In my long time of serving I never saw you 'oppurrate wit swut'. Do you even have a microphone?
Your practical experience is 0, look at the LSPD SWAT team for guidance and then f**k off to the ground where you belong.
LSPD SWAT are breaking all the rules of swat, Pursuing suspects while in swat gear, Weapon equiping all the time. Its the same SRU morons just with more rights
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LSPD SWAT are breaking all the rules of swat, Pursuing suspects while in swat gear, Weapon equiping all the time. Its the same SRU morons just with more rights
Excuse me?
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LSPD SWAT are breaking all the rules of swat, Pursuing suspects while in swat gear, Weapon equiping all the time. Its the same SRU morons just with more rights
What the f**k do you know about SRU or even SWAT. We follow the rules like it should be. You're making false accusations saying we "weapon equip" all the time. This coming from a person who is so insecure about himself to come pick on a group he knows nothing about is pathetic. Go back to the rock you came from and crawl right back under it.
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What the f**k do you know about SRU or even SWAT. We follow the rules like it should be. You're making false accusations saying we "weapon equip" all the time. This coming from a person who is so insecure about himself to come pick on a group he knows nothing about is pathetic. Go back to the rock you came from and crawl right back under it.
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Now go away with your bullshit
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Syn, for your information, LSPD-SWAT is against abusing weapon equip. All of us know that we must never do so and you're blatantly going and flaming an entire experienced ex-police group who followed the rules.
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Someone here might of already suggested this one, but it's eight in the morning and I'am sorry for not reading through the whole thread :)
Keeeeeep them toys on the desert, seeing as many citizens could be "accidently" hit my missiles.
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I honestly think they're unnessecary and unneeded.
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LSPD SWAT are breaking all the rules of swat, Pursuing suspects while in swat gear, Weapon equiping all the time. Its the same SRU morons just with more rights
This coming from the person who was suspected 10 times in 20 minutes just to kill cops, now you come on here to flame LSPD SWAT because you didn't get SWAT rights? Awwww, its ok baby daddy give you a cookie. Syn, You are one pathetic but hurt kid with a big mouth behind a PC
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ITT: SRU gets mad.
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ITT: SRU gets mad.
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I would like to point something out to people who think LSPD SWAT is doing something wrong. SFPD SWAT and LVPD SWAT were temporary Shut down... and LSPD SWAT was left up... other conversations were had that I can not Disclose but the Idea is to be somewhat like LSPD SWAT a Special Response Unit to be there in 30 seconds and defuse situations... That is the new Aragonath SWAT... Dont like it... ? Dont commit major Crimes.
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ITT: SAPD self destructs as others look on and laugh
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ITT: SAPD self destructs as others look on and laugh
SAPD Has not destructed we lost 2 good Senior Officers and we had an argument and some SWAT Team's were put on Standby that is all.. People blow things out of proportion.. we are not going to rework the command staff or compleatly change the SAPD Because it has one minor issue... If it can rise and conquer over the problem that it is good.
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We follow the rules like it should be
I'm sorry to break your bubble, but regarding how SRU was, that is a complete lie.
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It's making me enjoyed already, just by the fact that all kind of this useless topics does have the author: "InfernalCurse".
It ain't helping bro, as topics sucks - you can just talk to an owner and give them some ideas.
You know such topics will end up in pointing into other directions...
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This coming from the person who was suspected 10 times in 20 minutes just to kill cops, now you come on here to flame LSPD SWAT because you didn't get SWAT rights? Awwww, its ok baby daddy give you a cookie. Syn, You are one pathetic but hurt kid with a big mouth behind a PC
And you are the one who is pathetic, coming and provoke him.
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But seriously, this doesn't look good on you guys. When I posted my above reply I was freezing outside on the street, nicking wireless from a uni building I was next to - and didn't have the will to even do a paragraph.
So basically.. Dave comes out and says things about the SAPD that everyone knew but didn't want to say, but the SAPD command staff (wanting to keep their rank) and the SAPD officers (wanting promotions for their asskissing) immediately came to defend them. I dunno about the hydra or the hunters, but most of then things that Dave is mentioning are totally true and anyone who tries to say otherwise is just avoiding said truth.
I remember when SAPD didn't even exist, and it was just called the ARPD. That was when it worked, when the standard was to be a freecop and the special thing was to be an officer of ARPD (which gave absolutely no script rights). As soon as it became standard to be an officer after RS3 (when Luca fucked up the entire department), the special thing was to be in SWAT. Now that you made SWAT into generic departments with no actual fucking purpose other than to roll around with more guns, what is the special thing for elite members of law enforcement? Stop spreading out the top level just to make people happy - there always needs to be an elite group and right now there just isn't. SWAT needs to be one team, with special training, with good knowledge of working together, with knowledge of tactics. Not this mockery.
Oh.. and they shouldn't have a bloody hunter. They shouldn't be shit enough to need one, they're supposed to be SWAT goddamnit.. the "criminal group of the SAPD" on a combat skill level.
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I understand this subject is very touchy for some, but you will contain your self.
This is Argonath RPG, not flame RPG.
You had 1 chance Dave, good luck buddy.
You had many chances, you did not realise any of them.
I've always put off joining SAPD, because... well why would I want to join, I've been in FBI, nothing to compare to that, although I had to leave due to another serious reason.
You shouldn't be focussing on yourself, you should be focussing on the community.
I also think quantity is not the way forward, putting a hunter and hydra into that is just absolute chaos, I do not think cops are that terrible (although they are SAPD command :lol:).
SAPD needs to work on actually listening and involving the community, it treats itself as one big community against Argonath.
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I'm sorry to break your bubble, but regarding how SRU was, that is a complete lie.
Stop lieing Zaila, or give us proof before making false accusation.
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How about stop moaning and give them chance?. Stop this shit about who has this and who has that.
Give the new SWAT team a chance..and no, i disagree Hydra and Hunter removed.
Dont like being chased by the hydra? Dont make crimes.
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Stop lieing Zaila, or give us proof before making false accusation.
With them flaming the hell out of a player "IC'ly" which is not allowed, /su'ing and starting to shoot directly after.
My first point has already been reported to CBF, and the second point, i witnessed happend =AV=Grzesiek and has also been reported to CBF after it happend so come and say it's false accusations.
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As I am part of the ex-SRU and LSPD-SWAT I'll tell you this much. SRU did not suspect and shoot, we've always given suspects a chance to surrender before opening fire.
As Paul has said, give the new SWAT a chance; there's a reason it's changed. To adapt to the living organism that continuously evolves, which we call Argonath RPG.
Yes my comments may seem biased as I am a part of LSPD-SWAT, but so far, I've kept my opinions fairly to myself and I'll try to keep it this way.
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As I am part of the ex-SRU and LSPD-SWAT I'll tell you this much. SRU did not suspect and shoot, we've always given suspects a chance to surrender before opening fire.
As Paul has said, give the new SWAT a chance; there's a reason it's changed. To adapt to the living organism that continuously evolves, which we call Argonath RPG.
Yes my comments may seem biased as I am a part of LSPD-SWAT, but so far, I've kept my opinions fairly to myself and I'll try to keep it this way.
Most SRU did to me when I was suspected, /gu or die. Even if the suspection was false or right. And when I demanded an invastigation I didn't get one. More like /jail 180.
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Murtaugh I'm not going to start an discussion on SRU and we'll TALK if you want to. Shall we allow this topic to venture back onto the task of discussing Hydras and Hunters?
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Either all OFF-TOPIC stops here or this topic will be locked.
This topic is about usage of hydra/hunter and not about the new swat groups or SAPD itself..
An referring to the Hydra and hunter usage, AR-SAPD have locked down all usage of it due those who received access to the vehicles directly misused the responsibility they had. Also lack of information was give by the command staff too those individuals in first place and we take responsibility for that..
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Murtaugh I'm not going to start an discussion on SRU and we'll TALK if you want to. Shall we allow this topic to venture back onto the task of discussing Hydras and Hunters?
I can stop with the off topic, but that was not pointed to everyone in SRU.
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To criminals:
Stop shooting cops and you wont get a hydra/hunter after you simple solution isnt it? :)
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If a cop shoots at them, the criminals have the rights to shoot back. I wouldn't let a cop shoot at me for fun, cause I would certainly either stab him to death or blast his head off
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To criminals:
Stop shooting cops and you wont get a hydra/hunter after you simple solution isn't it?
Yeah, we call army vehicles, the SWAT and the media because of a simple murderer?
If they were 30 bloody murderers escaping into a Shamal... It would be explained, but an Hydra is needed to kill one single man? We ain't motherfucking Chuck Norris buddy :)
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I agree that the hunters and hydras are not needed for 1 or even 5 criminals. Call the SWAT team.
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Dont like being chased by the hydra? Dont make crimes.
To criminals:
Stop shooting cops and you wont get a hydra/hunter after you simple solution isnt it? :)
So.. "don't want us to use overpowered vehicles? Don't play".
Ugh. Ignorance like this disgusts me sometimes. Seriously, just get out.
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Hydra has some potential into catching criminals escaping into Argonath Airspace, but Hunter sucks there for, at least, Hunter should be removed...
So.. "don't want us to use overpowered vehicles? Don't play".
Ugh. Ignorance like this disgusts me sometimes. Seriously, just get out.
/me covers his mouth attempting to do not laugh while he walks out of the thread.
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I'm sorry to break your bubble, but regarding how SRU was, that is a complete lie.
For about time you don't speak bullshit, and I completely agree.
EDIT: Oh god I'm pageking
How about stop moaning and----
NOW HOW ABOUT YOU GO AND f**kING LEARN WHAT MOANING IS, AND THEN USE IT IN PROPER CONTEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hydra has some potential into catching criminals escaping into Argonath Airspace, but Hunter sucks there for, at least, Hunter should be removed...
I agree, the hydra against aircraft is fair game IMO. However, the hunter is (fairly) useless against aircraft when compared to the hydra so should be removed.
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NOW HOW ABOUT YOU GO AND f**kING LEARN WHAT MOANING IS, AND THEN USE IT IN PROPER CONTEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Shall we stop go off-topic or lock this?
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SWAT is and will keep loosing quality if in-experinced people are put in charge, for example
How can a guy who has been SAPD for less than x months and NEVER been in SWAT become a SWAT team leader over-night. Dave if you are experinced leader then how come you choose someone like Liam Priece as team leader?
you say Hank doesnt know what SWAT is about, is your new team-leader any better?
There are two team leaders, one is Jimmy and the other is Liam. I decided to give Liam a chance to prove himself...
Liam Pierce* and I think he chose me for what experience I DO have and to give me a chance to prove myself in action...,I know many things on how to do tatics,fast pursuit bomb squad ect so if you got a problem talk to me directly,because you have no right to doubt somones judgement,you dont know my experience nor do you give a rats ass so until you know what the hell you are talking about shut it(in all due respect),when you do have an idea of what I do know then perhaps you can see why he chose me.I have been with Leroy in SADA,Fast Pursuit Unit,SFPD bomb squad and most recently with Dave in SILVER,I have a fairly good idea of what I am doing,I have learned tatics and know when to listen and when to bring for ideas to solve a situation. so if you wish to go further you can talk directly to me. and I may not have been in SAPD but since March of 2010 but I know how to opperate and not put myself before others,I know when to stand my ground and when not to,and you also fail to realize that I have been playing Argo since April 9, 2009 most of that time I was a cop and I still hold the same good ethics as I have held since then.
Signed from the desk of
SFPD Sr Officer
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Shall we stop go off-topic or lock this?
I have an awesome Idea I'll try to implement right now.
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Shall we stop go off-topic or lock this?
So, the whole topic gets locked because of a few people who ruin it, I read the rules for locking topics and this is not what I think is the purpose of lock.
SWAT,SAPD, FBI , ARPD command in general is not off-topic in-case anyone thinks it is, they are the ones who use Hunters and hydras, although the common view is Hydras and Hunters are abused by SWAT and SAPD, but not FBI, at-least as far as I'm concerned.
An referring to the Hydra and hunter usage, AR-SAPD have locked down all usage of it due those who received access to the vehicles directly misused the responsibility they had. Also lack of information was give by the command staff too those individuals in first place and we take responsibility for that..
And what about SWAT / w.e department / LV/ LS ?.
Will this be permanent? Hopefully it will.
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Either all OFF-TOPIC stops here or this topic will be locked.
This topic is about usage of hydra/hunter and not about the new swat groups or SAPD itself..
Instead of locking a legit topic you can take administrative action against those who go off-topic.
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Instead of locking a legit topic you can take administrative action against those who go off-topic.
I think you should let him decide what to do aslong as you are not a board moderator or higher than that
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I think you should let him decide what to do aslong as you are not a board moderator or higher than that
I am a board moderator, actualy.
Locking a topic because of off-topic is not something that should be done, it can be seen as a way for players to shove a idea they do not like away by going off topic.
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I am a board moderator, actualy.
Locking a topic because of off-topic is not something that should be done, it can be seen as a way for players to shove a idea they do not like away by going off topic.
Hence why the troll likes to go off topic so much.
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I think you should let him decide what to do aslong as you are not a board moderator or higher than that
Reported for going off-topic, oh wait you're the moderator!
ONTOPIK:
Hydra is welcome, Hunter can go away :razz:.
Is there any need for 2 powered-vehicles?
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TBH... if they're not used on ground people unless in self defense, regardless of what vehicle they're driving (car, boat, bike), then I'm fine with it.
And no, trust me. People do open fire on people on the ground, regardless if they've fired first or not. A perfect situation that happened some time ago where this happened was at Stracci HQ (the tennis place). Some incompetent moron sat there with a hunter, camping at the entrance. As soon as someone exited, they were mowed down by the almighty minigun. They didn't even have the time to open fire, even if they wanted to! And I can guarantee the hunter wasn't shot at before hand - they were too busy being at war with us. Ironically, the hunter was shot down much later on, NOT by the people being raped, but by multiple snipers outside of the general area, whom I had the honors of standing next to :P. And, of course, the moment it was shot down, another was brought in...
Abuse of the hydra/hunter is becoming as popular as /frisk abuse. Twist some little random situation, throw a bit of lie seasoning on it, and there we go, perfect excuse to use it!
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Abuse of the hydra/hunter is becoming as popular as /frisk abuse. Twist some little random situation, throw a bit of lie seasoning on it, and there we go, perfect excuse to use it!
Where cops are concerned: everyone should be the same coloured name so they remember they are not above anyone whatsoever, except for FBI which has a serious job and is very respectful to the community and other groups. :cop:
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Remove /p = No more moanz
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Remove /p = No more moanz
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Hydra should only be in use for airborne suspects, considering its still hard to escape it in the air, being on the ground, you would need to have power of TWO chuck norrises to avoid it succesfully.
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administrative power have already been taken to those who try to make a chaos here or to ruin to discussion. But also the topic creator is responsible for the event on his topic which he kind of fail to do along with the board moderators..
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Hunters are buttfuck, I don't really have a problem with the Hydras, though.
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administrative power have already been taken to those who try to make a chaos here or to ruin to discussion. But also the topic creator is responsible for the event on his topic which he kind of fail to do along with the board moderators..
Thanks, but I do not encourage rule breaking of any kind, I do not accept the blame if some people cannot handle them selves, you know this isn't a fully mature community, as the majority are young.
I have stated enough to keep the discussion polite, and I even stated on the first post that this is not a moan topic.
you don't take anything here seriously as long as it all goes your way :poke:
Same policy as some SAPD command staff , ay? :D
Please tell us will Hunters + Hydras return for SAPD, SWAT? Yes or NO.
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But also the topic creator is responsible for the event on his topic which he kind of fail to do along with the board moderators..
Infact topic creator is not at fault but moderators and admins of this section, as THEY are the ones which failed to stop the off-topic at the start. Topic starter has basically no power over those, and you know how people nowadays listen to serious messages of non-admins. Yeah, they ignore them, most of the time.
You now also caused an offtopic with your post.
I'm okay with Hydras but why the heck Hunters are for? Especially their minigun.
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Hunters are ideal for targets that require airstrikes, such as fullscale riots (includes 15 suspects shooting automatic weapons around in public with one of them stupid enough to fire at the helicopter), for power showoffs (they do not fire here, but intimidate suspects), for boats, and for NRGs. They are easier to escape from in aircraft than hydras, and lack the aim-locked missiles they possess.
Unless anyone in a car fires at the hunter, I don't understand any reason as to why it be used on cars.
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Hunters are ideal for targets that require airstrikes, such as fullscale riots (includes 15 suspects shooting automatic weapons around in public with one of them stupid enough to fire at the helicopter)
You think a couple of missiles off Hydra is not as cool as shooting from that tiny minigun with farting sound? And as not as devastative as?
for power showoffs (they do not fire here, but intimidate suspects)
I still think Hydra looks deadlier. It can also hoover just as helicopters
, for boats,
Lock-On on the boat makes it even better towards Hydra while still challenging. Same with NRG. But when using Hunter you can easily press CTRL and your awesome tiny farting minigun will lock on itself with ridicilous firepower, accuracy and rapidness.
They are easier to escape from in aircraft than hydras
You see? Another reason not to use Hunter!
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To criminals:
Stop shooting cops and you wont get a hydra/hunter after you simple solution isnt it? :)
Anything else to say?
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Anything else to say?
Yeah. The Hydra/Hunter not being able to be used came before them being able to be used. What does that say about the needy little fucks?
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Yeah. The Hydra/Hunter not being able to be used came before them being able to be used. What does that say about the needy little f**ks?
If you really dont wanna see a Hydra/Hunter after you.. Become a legal citizen, else I'll say its your own fault.
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It's piss easy to escape from a Hydra anyway, the problem arises when they decide to spawn ANOTHER hydra after you have caused theirs to exaplode by flying through trees. By the way, this is a cropduster I'm talking about
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If you really dont wanna see a Hydra/Hunter after you.. Become a legal citizen, else I'll say its your own fault.
Then how cop earns money instead of pulling over, giving fines which ranges of $100 to $XXX?
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Hunters are ideal for targets that require airstrikes, such as fullscale riots (includes 15 suspects shooting automatic weapons around in public with one of them stupid enough to fire at the helicopter)
This situation is what SWAT is for, not a hunter.
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This situation is what SWAT is for, not a hunter.
I agree, the hunter is just provocative and demands the rioters to attack it. Rioters are usually angry, the police should make them calm down, rather then a hunter demanding bullets.
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Hunters are ideal for targets that require airstrikes, such as fullscale riots (includes 15 suspects shooting automatic weapons around in public with one of them stupid enough to fire at the helicopter), for power showoffs (they do not fire here, but intimidate suspects), for boats, and for NRGs. They are easier to escape from in aircraft than hydras, and lack the aim-locked missiles they possess.
Unless anyone in a car fires at the hunter, I don't understand any reason as to why it be used on cars.
A Hydra is hard to pilot which requirest the pilot some skills, they'll have a fair missing rate.
Hunter is the opposite, any fool who can press the fire button is able to kill someone using it, it's all auto-aimed :razz:
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FACT: I once took down a Hydra with a 9mm
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I love how criminals moan about Hunter/Hydra.
So when you get into the air with Maverick, Shamal etc. What should we then do? Got any creative suggestions?
I got one, remove all airplanes, helicopters and anything else that can fly if you really wanna make it fair.
Also remember that SAPD arent allowed to use Infernus and such, Infernus drives 220-230km/h, Buffalo max 190km/h and PD cruiser about 160-180km/h.
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I love how criminals moan about Hunter/Hydra.
So when you get into the air with Maverick, Shamal etc. What should we then do? Got any creative suggestions?
I got one, remove all airplanes, helicopters and anything else that can fly if you really wanna make it fair.
Also remember that SAPD arent allowed to use Infernus and such, Infernus drives 220-230km/h, Buffalo max 190km/h and PD cruiser about 160-180km/h.
If they are in air, use a hydra. Hydra is the fastest vehicle in San Andreas.. You can easily shoot a Shamal or Maverick down.
The main problem is the Hunter
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I love how criminals moan about Hunter/Hydra.
Do not provoke. You've been warned.
This is a discussion thread, not a war. These criminals are apart of the community, they even do much more then cops for this server if you think about it.
The use of Hunters and Hydras have been forbidden from use - I'm guessing temporarily, because the people who could use them abused them.
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I love how criminals moan about Hunter/Hydra.
So when you get into the air with Maverick, Shamal etc. What should we then do? Got any creative suggestions?
I got one, remove all airplanes, helicopters and anything else that can fly if you really wanna make it fair.
Also remember that SAPD arent allowed to use Infernus and such, Infernus drives 220-230km/h, Buffalo max 190km/h and PD cruiser about 160-180km/h.
In my opinion we should remove the hydra and hunter. It's for low skilled cops who can't catch criminals because of their lack of skills. I was always against this since this was introduced, so we should remove them totally so nobody can use them anymore. Even if they are not removed i will make sure that LS Swat will be disallowed to use it.
It's sad to see how some cops try the easy way instead of training themselves and working as a team to fight crime. With some old divisions that were created in the past, we proved that it's possible to catch any car even when it's an infernus. If the suspects are in a plane or in a heli, well then wait till they land and make sure your fast enough on scene to catch the criminals before they escape.
Read that sir.
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I love how criminals moan about Hunter/Hydra.
Even more hillarious to see how cops defend their overpowered vehicles.
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Yeah, lol.
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Even more hillarious to see how cops defend their overpowered vehicles.
And it doesn't get any better nor funny when people are too slow to read high ranked SAPD complain about having the Hydra and Hunter in the game at all. :rofl:
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So when you get into the air with Maverick, Shamal etc. What should we then do? Got any creative suggestions?
You should read the whole thread before posting...
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Even more hillarious to see how cops defend their overpowered vehicles.
Lol, its funny to see how Criminals protect their ability to use Combat shotgun, M4, NRG and Infernus and such.
We cops gets standard equipment LSPD Cruiser & Deagle.
You can shoot us down a in a second, we cant do that against to you, since nearly 1/2 times there is multiple suspects inside the vehicle. I dont care if you call this moaning of my side but theres no reason to remove Hunter/Hydra as long as there is alot of criminals that are using heavily force against cops.
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Lol, its funny to see how Criminals protect their ability to use Combat shotgun, M4, NRG and Infernus and such.
We cops gets standard equipment LSPD Cruiser & Deagle.
pffffffffft BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH :rofl: :rofl:
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lol @ cop bitching about cop's disadvantages even tho criminals hav countless moar
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LSPD SWAT are breaking all the rules of swat, Pursuing suspects while in swat gear, Weapon equiping all the time. Its the same SRU morons just with more rights
Why are you so familiar with SWAT procedures? They've never been released to the public, you're just pulling 'rules' out of your ass at the moment.
SWAT can weapon-equip all it bloody wants - the commander gives the order for members to do /weaponequip M4 100000 times, they are allowed to do it after that.
If there is the necessity to puruse an armed felon in SWAT gear, it's allowed. If there isn't a necessity to pursue a felon and the commander wants to show off, it's allowed.
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Ok ok chill out,lets give each official group a hydra and hunter.
brb.
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lol @ cop bitching about cop's disadvantages even tho criminals hav countless moar
I almost thought he was serious :lol:
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Lol, its funny to see how Criminals protect their ability to use Combat shotgun, M4, NRG and Infernus and such.
We cops gets standard equipment LSPD Cruiser & Deagle.
How about you buy a combat shotgun and an M4 then?
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How about you buy a combat shotgun and an M4 then?
nah bra! /weaponequip is doing it for them.
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Why are you so familiar with SWAT procedures? They've never been released to the public, you're just pulling 'rules' out of your ass at the moment.
SWAT can weapon-equip all it bloody wants - the commander gives the order for members to do /weaponequip M4 100000 times, they are allowed to do it after that.
If there is the necessity to puruse an armed felon in SWAT gear, it's allowed. If there isn't a necessity to pursue a felon and the commander wants to show off, it's allowed.
I suppose refilling in a situation is also allowed, although it's against the rules of the server to do so during any combat, for any sides to refill armour / heal.
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nah bra! /weaponequip is doing it for them.
If ANY cop reguardless of rank is caught abuseing /weaponquip their badge will promptly be taken from them with no chance of return....they will not abuse the system under the new leaders...if they do,they will regret it.Hopefully this wont have to be put into play.
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Weaponequip is no small matter for the FBI.
Go ahead and ask a Director about how many Agents have been punished and reprimanded for misusing it.
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Syn, i believe your not aware of the new SWAT Regulations. as your not aware of them i would like you to point out to not refer to the old ones as it will only confuse people from the new ones.
For hydra/hunter they will be returned for usage unannounced.
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Syn, i believe your not aware of the new SWAT Regulations. as your not aware of them i would like you to point out to not refer to the old ones as it will only confuse people from the new ones.
For hydra/hunter they will be returned for usage unannounced.
0_o I havent said anything in the last 7 pages pancher lol
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Lol, its funny to see how Criminals protect their ability to use Combat shotgun
It was proposed to remove from server AT ALL. Means cops wont use it too, and I've seen a lot from SAPD asking not to.
M4
Is that an overpowered gun? SERIOUSLY?
NRG and Infernus and such.
You can use them just with ease.
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It was proposed to remove from server AT ALL. Means cops wont use it too, and I've seen a lot from SAPD asking not to.Is that an overpowered gun? SERIOUSLY? You can use them just with ease.
SAPD regulations/rules said we shouldn't use them.
We are obligated to use PD cruisers instead of using civilians vehicles.
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SAPD regulations/rules said we shouldn't use them.
We are obligated to use PD cruisers instead of using civilians vehicles.
It's SAPD's problem then.
But it's not only criminals' problems if you use overpowered vehicles. It's ripping balance apart.
Plus, if I remember correct, now you have active SWAT team against First Degree Murderers.
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0_o I havent said anything in the last 7 pages pancher lol
Prob cause you ant in swat broski
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Prob cause you ant in swat broski
Prob cause u misread wut Syn said ;)
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Oh look, it's this damn thread again.
Another moan topic, not to mention you complain about just about anything. I am not the only admin who has noted that.
Also, nice move endorsing your own group, curse. We're not blind.
There is a reason why this aircraft are limited to the upper ranks of SAPD and FBI- those people were already trusted by the owners and leaders to hold those positions. Unlike your group, these organizations' top executives were appointed by the OWNERS.
If you think those restrictions are insufficient and superficial, then I challenge you to prove your point.
You have one year to become an SAPD Department Chief or an FBI Division Chief.
Thanks for starting a moan-provoke-flame war in this topic,JDC
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Why are SWAT now rewarded with Buffalos?.
Do not bring back the Hunters / Hydras.
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Why are SWAT now rewarded with Buffalos?.
Do not bring back the Hunters / Hydras.
Shit happens - and oh-
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Damn Kenny, learn to use images correctly. You're making a fool of yourself.
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Damn Kenny, learn to use images correctly. You're making a fool of yourself.
> Implying you not full of shit
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Great comeback gent. So witty.
Hydras are okay against other aircraft, hunters are ridiculously overpowered.
It is never okay to use a hydra or a hunter on anything on the ground, ever.
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It is never okay to use a hydra or a hunter on anything on the ground, ever.
I totally agree on that. So unfair... :/
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One time I had a hydra used on me in my car. I had just under 10 patrol cars chasing me, but I had managed to keep ahead of them and avoid PITs for about 20 minutes. The hydra took out my car then the cops shot me dead when I dived of the explosion.
I was unarmed, and I was suspected for a small traffic offence.
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One time I had a hydra used on me in my car. I had just under 10 patrol cars chasing me, but I had managed to keep ahead of them and avoid PITs for about 20 minutes. The hydra took out my car then the cops shot me dead when I dived of the explosion.
I was unarmed, and I was suspected for a small traffic offence.
That's what makes us an unique community!
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loled
Best Line ever: 'I always enjoy fighting a worthy adversary, however, when ones not around, I quite happily will wipe the floor with a turd like you'
:D
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> Implying you not full of shit
sorry bro but no one thinks your funny. lrn2image and if your gonna troll, do it right.
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Shit happens - and oh-
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> Implying you not full of shit
lrn2internet
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Shit happens
Shit happens indeed.
My question was, why did this Shit in question happen though? :neutral:
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Allow criminal organisations the ability to spawn Hydras/Hunters for a week and take them away from the cops/feds.
Watch the "moaning" roll in.
That would make us a truly unique community. :D
However, I've personally benefited from not seeing the Hunter/Hydra in recent times, so I'm not too fussed.
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One time I had a hydra used on me in my car. I had just under 10 patrol cars chasing me, but I had managed to keep ahead of them and avoid PITs for about 20 minutes. The hydra took out my car then the cops shot me dead when I dived of the explosion.
I was unarmed, and I was suspected for a small traffic offence.
Is it just me or did even I not understand why the hydra was called out there?
That (calling out of hydra in that situation) was just ridiculous.
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Why are SWAT now rewarded with Buffalos?.
Why aren't they? :trust:
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That's true why do SWAT needs Buffalo's? You guys aren't suppose to be on patrol around the cities
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Although i hate to go off topic too, yesterday i saw a swat rancher chasing a random suspect..
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Although i hate to go off topic too, yesterday i saw a swat rancher chasing a random suspect..
That is the new kind of law enforcement rolling the street.
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Although i hate to go off topic too, yesterday i saw a swat rancher chasing a random suspect..
In the public eye that supect could appear normal to you guys and wonder why a SWAT team is chasing him/her.
In law enforcement eye hes a cop killer and danger to society, he gotta be stopped.
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In the public eye that supect could appear normal to you guys and wonder why a SWAT team is chasing him/her.
In law enforcement eye hes a cop killer and danger to society, he gotta be stopped.
SWAT is not made for chases,as far as i know.
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In law enforcement eye hes a cop killer and danger to society, he gotta be stopped.
Doesn't matter, SWAT is not a pursuit team, it's a ground combat team.
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Doesn't matter, SWAT is not a pursuit team, it's a ground combat team.
Not anymore...Today they chased me with a PD car.
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Doesn't matter, SWAT is not a pursuit team, it's a ground combat team.
Couldn't have said it better myself Panda.
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More than two years ago, I set up a death squad division in my old clan, [AK]. Makes me wonder why that came back to my head, in this specific topic, after all this time. :roll:
If heavy weapons are needed to chase suspects, SAPD should use them and not SWAT.
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More than two years ago, I set up a death squad division in my old clan, [AK]. Makes me wonder why that came back to my head, in this specific topic, after all this time. :roll:
If heavy weapons are needed to chase suspects, SAPD should use them and not SWAT.
Indeed JDS, they run around with M4 and combat. :war: :sig:
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SWAT is now a response group, stop with your rlrp zomfg ic/ooc moaning and gtfo.
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SWAT is now a response group, stop with your rlrp zomfg ic/ooc moaning and gtfo.
Exactly. You don't like then gtfo.
All others can suck this almighty schlong.
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response group
Since when? o.o
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Since when? o.o
Since the first SRU group was closed, they started up SRU SWAT instead.
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I see... that explains the heavy-armed patrols then. Didn't know about that.
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I see... that explains the heavy-armed patrols then. Didn't know about that.
But as Panda stated abit up, SWAT is not a pursuit team. It's a ground combat team.
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If it has been changed into a response group, then pursuit is now among their duties. The terms "ground combat team" and "pursuit team" are specific, but the term "response team" can include either as both of them involve responding to a certain type of situation.
I wonder though, why did they have to change SWAT into a response team rather than actually refining the combat standards of the regular SAPD? The need for the police department's special division to roam the streets in order to take down heavily armed criminals insinuates that the regular officers themselves are not of sufficient capability to do such.
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If it has been changed into a response group, then pursuit is now among their duties. The terms "ground combat team" and "pursuit team" are specific, but the term "response team" can include either as both of them involve responding to a certain type of situation.
I wonder though, why did they have to change SWAT into a response team rather than actually refining the combat standards of the regular SAPD? The need for the police department's special division to roam the streets in order to take down heavily armed criminals insinuates that the regular officers themselves are not of sufficient capability to do such.
The SWAT chases those who are suspected for the most non violent crimes. Speeding, reckless.
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The SWAT chases those who are suspected for the most non violent crimes. Speeding, reckless.
Now that is what I do not understand... you might as well re-assign all non-SWAT units to desk jobs or donut delivery.
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Now that is what I do not understand... you might as well re-assign all non-SWAT units to desk jobs or donut delivery.
No offence to DPD officers, but I think the SAPD command staff have that in mind for DPD who coincidently refused SWAT, did you notice yet the new desks they got in the weapon equip room? :rofl:
DPD officers liked the desks, they are the best police department I think. ;)
IF it was just FBI + DPD, I think like would be much easier.
I have had bad experiences and heard a lot of bad, but still very good comments about SRU, one of my own also.
I was patrolling and pulled over someone for reckless driving, I told him to pay a ticket, he said ok, so he paid, I went for unsus started to PM admins, SAPD command, SRU people too , then SRU comes along the guy gets freaked and drives off, I tell SRU to back off, I asked for an unsus many many times. They did not listen and ended up killing this person.
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ITT: SWAT is now a group of individuals which work as a regular cop, in SWAT uniform and heavily armed.
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The SWAT chases those who are suspected for the most non violent crimes. Speeding, reckless.
Do you have proofs? Report to leaders
I was patrolling and pulled over someone for reckless driving, I told him to pay a ticket, he said ok, so he paid, I went for unsus started to PM admins, SAPD command, SRU people too , then SRU comes along the guy gets freaked and drives off, I tell SRU to back off, I asked for an unsus many many times. They did not listen and ended up killing this person.
Do you have proofs?
ps; you complain about SRU, now SWAT is there anything you dont moan about?how about you man up get your f**king guns and fight or dont f**king commit high risk crimes and shit...
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Do you have proofs? Report to leaders
Do you have proofs?
ps; you complain about SRU, now SWAT is there anything you dont moan about?how about you man up get your f**king guns and fight or dont f**king commit high risk crimes and shit...
I have witnessed it several times, but I don't take screenshots since anything won't happen anyway. As a great wise man said to some time ago "Welcome to Argonath".
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This is just another problem in the overlap between Freeroam and Roleplay..
Argonath ain't a real life roleplay server and doesn't need to abide by real life law enforcement.
As long as suspects continue to steal airplanes, or use jetpacks.. Hydra and Hunter should remain.
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Do you have proofs? Report to leaders
Gvardia high-ups, especially myself, cannot stress enough that people need to report "ZOMG GVARDIA DM" to us, regardless if they have proof or not. In my eyes...
Proof = punishment (if necessary) + lecture
No proof = Reminder lecture.
It's best you at least regard the ones without proof. They MIGHT be true, but either way, you should talk to your people about the issue. If I receive a report on Bob_Gvardia for dming without proof, I'll ask him if he's done something along the lines of DMing. Regardless of the answer, I remind him of the strict rules of Argonath and Gvardia regarding deathmatching.
Even the admins try on the reports of incidents they didn't see. They ask, "Did you DM id 3?" blahblahblah, they do a lil talk if they have the time (Pff, as if when there's one admin per one hundred players), kefekjfwh etc etc
The best way to piss someone off is to openly ignore their problems when the solution is ever so easy.
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Gvardia high-ups, especially myself, cannot stress enough that people need to report "ZOMG GVARDIA DM" to us, regardless if they have proof or not. In my eyes...
Proof = punishment (if necessary) + lecture
No proof = Reminder lecture.
It's best you at least regard the ones without proof. They MIGHT be true, but either way, you should talk to your people about the issue. If I receive a report on Bob_Gvardia for dming without proof, I'll ask him if he's done something along the lines of DMing. Regardless of the answer, I remind him of the strict rules of Argonath and Gvardia regarding deathmatching.
Even the admins try on the reports of incidents they didn't see. They ask, "Did you DM id 3?" blahblahblah, they do a lil talk if they have the time (Pff, as if when there's one admin per one hundred players), kefekjfwh etc etc
The best way to piss someone off is to openly ignore their problems when the solution is ever so easy.
SRU for ever!!! They bitch about SRU because mob think they are stronger then anyone!
Well Not anymore d******es!!!!!! GOOD LUCK Kenny!
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The fuck you on about?
The issues about SRU are true, but are exaggerated beyond belief. An example of not exaggerating is Curse's post. That is actually reasonable, as any person including myself could make that same mistake. But when you go "SRU IS KARKILLIN ERRYUN WEN DAY R SUSPEKT LIKE 50000 TIMES", that's just... what the fuck?
Common sense, guys. Why would a group of people who have been on the server long enough to know the rules blatantly run people's asses over in an attempt to kill them? I have no complaints on SRU as long as they follow the same rules I have to follow. And, of course, every group is going to have a wave of rule breakers. Gvardia's had it, Corleone's had it, and SRU's had it. They do nothing but crash the reputation, because us as humans tend to look past the good in things and focus more on the bad. Hence the statement, "Every win eventually becomes a fail."
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How about you stop telling what SWAT can and can't do when you're not even part of the bloody group?
We do armed responses due to the new SAPD rules. If you have a problem with that, take it up with Hank Rafferty or Gandalf, but leave the f**king people who are following orders out of this.
If you see SWAT chasing reckless drivers/regular evaders, F8 and send a screenie to me. I assure you that they will get punished.
No proof nor screenshots? Shut the fuck up and go back to your bhopping combat chaerg rambo gameplay.
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How about you stop telling what SWAT can and can't do when you're not even part of the bloody group?
We do armed responses due to the new SAPD rules. If you have a problem with that, take it up with Hank Rafferty or Gandalf, but leave the f**king people who are following orders out of this.
If you see SWAT chasing reckless drivers/regular evaders, F8 and send a screenie to me. I assure you that they will get punished.
No proof nor screenshots? Shut the f**k up and go back to your bhopping combat chaerg rambo gameplay.
Doesn't matter, SWAT is not a pursuit team, it's a ground combat team.
Doesnt matter what kind of suspects there is.
Where is the tactic when a group of SWAT driving a rancher and Drivebying at the suspect like any other cop would do.SWAT are made for Kdinaps/Bank robberies...
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Doesnt matter what kind of suspects there is.
Where is the tactic when a group of SWAT driving a rancher and Drivebying at the suspect like any other cop would do.SWAT are made for Kdinaps/Bank robberies...
Leave to SWAT what we can/cant do, you obviously dont fucking know the damn rules and you are trying to shove up your retarded "i think i think" my ass i think, you dont think. Its either facts or your opinion's which dont matter at this point.
Proof = punishment (if necessary) + lecture
No proof = Reminder lecture.
It's best you at least regard the ones without proof. They MIGHT be true, but either way, you should talk to your people about the issue. If I receive a report on Bob_Gvardia for dming without proof, I'll ask him if he's done something along the lines of DMing. Regardless of the answer, I remind him of the strict rules of Argonath and Gvardia regarding deathmatching.
No thats is not the correct way to handle reports without any proofs.
From your logic it looks like you rather belief what others say who dont provide proofs than your members word.
What you should be doing is if you get a report without proofs, you should watch that member closely o see if he/she does things said those reports. not remind them what they already know "Hey dont rulebreak man ?!?!"
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you dont think.
lol.
Leave to SWAT what we can/cant do, you obviously dont f**king know the damn rules and you are trying to shove up
What you should be doing is if you get a report without proofs, you should watch that member closely o see if he/she does things said those reports. not remind them what they already know "Hey dont rulebreak man ?!?!"
More like, "Hey man, I got a report on you DMing. Be completely honest with me. What happened with <name>?"
Then they say what happened, defending their innocence.
"Alright, whatever you may have done seemed like DM to <name>. Please try to avoid it around them so they don't whine and cry all over the place again."
If they say nothing happened
"ok lol have a nice day obtw dont dm"
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SWAT are made for Kdinaps/Bank robberies...
I'm sorry, chief of Argonath Police. I won't repeat the same mistakes again, sir.
If you actually did any research on real-life SWAT you'd find out that SWAT also carries out high-risk warrants - arresting murderers, drug dealers and the like. If you kill someone, you become a high risk suspect and SWAT gets deployed to either take you into custody or neutralize the threat.
If you want to give your opinion, do so, but don't go around talking about shit you know nothing about.
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Guys, we are off-topic :rofl:, even I was it.
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If you actually did any research on real-life SWAT you'd find out that SWAT also carries out high-risk warrants - arresting murderers, drug dealers and the like. If you kill someone, you become a high risk suspect and SWAT gets deployed to either take you into custody or neutralize the threat.
He's right. And before anyone pulls the bullshit card, I have cited a source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWAT#SWAT_duties) for you.
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Let's carry on this discussion, it's still relevant as both hydras and hunters are actively used on the server.
I think owners needs to reconsider there unwillingness to support military groups.
A scripted Airforce of which was separate to the ARPD would be a good use of the Hydras and Hunters.
Hydras and Hunters should not be used at all by cops / FBI / SWAT.
Both Hydras and Hunters should only be used as a RP tool, not a weapon.
For example.
Air force pilot a would use it to patrol the coast line of San Andreas, he can follow scripted checkpoints and investigate these areas with other units.
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Let's carry on this discussion, it's still relevant as both hydras and hunters are actively used on the server.
I think owners needs to reconsider there unwillingness to support military groups.
A scripted Airforce of which was separate to the ARPD would be a good use of the Hydras and Hunters.
Hydras and Hunters should not be used at all by cops / FBI / SWAT.
Both Hydras and Hunters should only be used as a RP tool, not a weapon.
For example.
Air force pilot a would use it to patrol the coast line of San Andreas, he can follow scripted checkpoints and investigate these areas with other units.
The Hydra/Hunter can stay as it is since I havn't seen it in a good while, just flying around. Nothing more.
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Let's carry on this discussion, it's still relevant as both hydras and hunters are actively used on the server.
I think owners needs to reconsider there unwillingness to support military groups.
A scripted Airforce of which was separate to the ARPD would be a good use of the Hydras and Hunters.
Hydras and Hunters should not be used at all by cops / FBI / SWAT.
Both Hydras and Hunters should only be used as a RP tool, not a weapon.
For example.
Air force pilot a would use it to patrol the coast line of San Andreas, he can follow scripted checkpoints and investigate these areas with other units.
An Airforce would only work if the people who joined it knew anything about aviation. Codes, Tactics etc. I would rather not see someone trying to rp as airforce who has no idea what this means...
Hydra Four Lima Golf, Departing, 35 Left, flight level 3500 at 45
I see the RP ability but i dont think alot of people have the knowledge to RP it properly.
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An Airforce would only work if the people who joined it knew anything about aviation. Codes, Tactics etc. I would rather not see someone trying to rp as airforce who has no idea what this means...
Hydra Four Lima Golf, Departing, 35 Left, flight level 3500 at 45
I see the RP ability but i dont think alot of people have the knowledge to RP it properly.
Not all people either who currently have hydra know all of what you just explained.
It's not about the RP, it's about the working as a team to have fun, remembering it's one community no matter what side.
Hydras should be taken out of the Cop vs Suspect thing, AirForce could work entirely separate as non combatant rp also.
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You don't care about RP From my perspective... you just want to fly a hydra...
(I don't mean offense by this that's just what is conveyed by the topic)
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Hydras and Hunters are not being used that much, JDC just uses them to fly around and crash into trees, And battle actually uses them to take down some mexicans or actual criminals :lol: it was fun when he came out of nowhere ;)
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You don't care about RP From my perspective... you just want to fly a hydra...
(I don't mean offense by this that's just what is conveyed by the topic)
Sorry if you misunderstood.
But that is not the case entirely, sure I don't mind flying hydra if it means I can rp with it, a rp I cannot do because I dont have hydra :(, but still.
It should be used entirely for rp, not at all for shooting, only where as shooting is as of pure roleplay.
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You don't care about RP From my perspective... you just want to fly a hydra...
(I don't mean offense by this that's just what is conveyed by the topic)
"Alan PLEASE let me try the hydra or hunter, PLEEAAAAAAAAAAAASEEEEEE!"
;P
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I support the attachment of a pinpoint-accurate micro laser to the Hydra/Hunter in order to only kill the one shooting the Hydra/Hunter rather than the entire group he is in.
This idea is relevant to the topic.
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No Curse I think I understand now sorry for my earlier comment.. I guess I understand if there was an Official Military and an Official Airforce... but we have like 3 Army groups and a few Air groups... so how to decide sir?? Then how to roleplay with it?? I understand like calling in air strikes.. but other than that is that all it can be used for?
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Hydras and Hunters are not being used that much, JDC just uses them to fly around and crash into trees, And battle actually uses them to take down some mexicans or actual criminals :lol: it was fun when he came out of nowhere ;)
You never know what tree i might be hovering behind :-)
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I support the attachment of a pinpoint-accurate micro laser to the Hydra/Hunter in order to only kill the one shooting the Hydra/Hunter rather than the entire group he is in.
This idea is relevant to the topic.
Which isn't possible.
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Which isn't possible.
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I actually crash into trees more often than I shoot down targets.
Serious. :lol:
As for the concept of an air force... it would be impossible to use the hydra as an RP tool without it being a weapon, as it is a weapon.
I have succeeded at using it as an RP tool / mini-character (Zydra), but it has still remained a weapon.