No we will not start warning or kicking people just because someone who is pissed off reports them.
If an admin is witness to the behaviour he can take measures, otherwise it will need a log check, and being an antisocial prick is not bannable, there for the expectations of a log check on it happening are pretty low.
If you are approaching a player you know has been on server for some time, the question 'do you know how to roleplay'or any remarks in that direction are provoking, and will ALWAYS cause a negative atmosphere. Compare it to you arriving at your job and a colleague asking you if you know how to do your job. I bet you will be pissed off at him for the rest of the day.
Just engage the guy in roleplay, and if he bails out let him go. Enough other people to worry about one guy who does not get the idea of why he logged in.
I dont understand one thing, and its not releated to Stof's topic;
So many people are bad girling about how no one is roleplaying, like, lets say at least 40 people from my personal experience has said that last 30-40 days, one would have thought those people that complain about it so much, would have to ran to each other at least 4-5 times per day right?
And if you ran into people who wants to roleplay and have at least the basic knowledge in it, then you wouldn't be complaining about how no one is roleplay right?
So its either people are being attention whores, or they only want to roleplay with people who has the same style/understanding/knowledge/level/callitwhateverthefuckuwant in roleplay, hence why they complain how very few are roleplayers.
Point is, don't walk away from a person just because his english is low, or his roleplaying skills isn't smooth and up to your almighty roleplay standards, don't stick only to people who you know are ultimate roleplayers, don't judge people just cause they are doing it wrong in your opinion, yet try teaching them, it wont take more then five minutes of your time anyway.
8. Roleplaying
All players are required to roleplay at all times and are expected to roleplay within the boundaries of these rules. This means player's cannot refuse to roleplay or behave in a manner that is clearly an attempt to ruin the situation that is currently on-going. Failing to respond to /me and /em actions will be taken as refusal to roleplay.
If you wish to get out of the roleplay situation you are in then you must do so within roleplay boundaries, you cannot quit the game or simply run off or even have a staff member teleport you. Those that do will simply be punished.
Thought I would drop this in here;Not a really possible stance.
A portion of the recent adjustment of rules agreed upon by the SA:MP HQ team.
Common sense does apply. They should not refuse roleplay however if they do need to leave they're welcome to leave the server.That is the ground for the long lasting 'forced roleplay'discussion. We have had cases where players felt they could not eat dinner or go to the shop as their parents asked because they were afraid they might be banned or lose membership of their group.
No one is forced to stay in-game.
Of course, people shouldn't be forced to accept the same situations over and over like as you said "robbing" and so on. There are always ways in which you can turn a roleplay scenario around and that should not be forgotten.
With that said, if someone does need to leave in the middle of a situation where they are involved with other players, they can at least let those other parties know that they have to go offline for some reason and leave instead of just closing the game mid roleplay.don't know if I have the chat logs of 2007/2008, but they did and were more or less bullied in to remaining in game.
don't know if I have the chat logs of 2007/2008, but they did and were more or less bullied in to remaining in game.You do understand that people started using your words to deny roleplay cases even if they had enough time to participate in one they prefered not to...
As you know every line of rules is looked at to exploit and used to advantage. The quote that you showed can be used for players to force others in to remianing in a situation they wish to get out of.
Apart from tht without the ability for admins to check the logs a lot of it will not be enforceable unless you feel the managers have not enough work to do.
Main guidline for rules : KISS (Keep it simple, stupid).
This is not the main case Gandalf, if they have to do something IRL or whatever regarding that, it should be fine for them to /q or go AFK(as we have some tools which shows someone's AFK or not). BUT people refuse to RP (mainly robbery and traffic stops scenarios) because they wanna go trucking 24/7 and earn virtual money which is not logical, money shouldn't be the purpose of their gameplay but a simple tool to make their gameplay abit easier. Mostly they use "/em(or /pm) I don't wanna RP with you" "/em(or /pm) I don't have time to RP with you IM TRUCKING! can't you see that?"
Indeed, people shouldn't be forced to accept the same situations over and over as they may get tired of it which is completely logical.
You do understand that people started using your words to deny roleplay cases even if they had enough time to participate in one they prefered not to...
Both things are understood. The question is what are you wanting to do about it?
If someone sends such a PM to you report to a manager and get a log check for a tempban?
Just find someone else to play with...why interact with someone who is not interested?
Just find someone else to play with...why interact with someone who is not interested?The point is being more strict about it. If players really do like the server, I don't see any of them leaving it because they are being told to roleplay. However if they have this thing in their head that makes them believe that they don't have to roleplay whenever they feel like it, a punishment or two will change this behaviour.
if they aren't interested they should be removed from the server
Kick for avoiding roleplay and 'no time for roleplay! :cop:
Looks like you'd ought to kick yourself from the other day, then. This server wasn't meant for testing mods last time I checked.Well boo boo, sorry I didn't pick your call.
It would be rather difficult to enforce roleplaying given the atmosphere Argonath has had from the very beginning. However I believe some level of effort on enforcing the roleplay part of being an RPG server would really be beneficial in regards to keeping the server interesting. If somebody does not wish to roleplay for whatever reason at some given point of time, that's fine however there are a fair number of players who will avoid roleplay if the outcome of the RP might not be in their favor (e.g. GroupX rolls up on enemy GroupY with a full car, GroupY simply refuses any interaction) , and those who simply chronically refuse to acknowledge the fact that Argonath is an RPG server. People like this are toxic to the atmosphere Argonath provides, and reduces the dynamic that keeps things interesting - the roleplay. We should not stand by and enable this toxin to spread throughout the community. People who see people roleplay on a regular basis are more likely to engage, and as the number of those who engage in roleplay rises, the roleplay available will become increasingly dynamic - something that doesn't have to involve a robbery or gang war.
Now a second situation. Noob_Player goes up to a street gang and says 'hi'. He gets the message to go away because they do not play with noobs. Can he report the street gang for not being willing to roleplay?
For those who wish to implement a stronger obligation to roleplay, here is asituation that I know happened.
Player Some_Mafia is going from Pershing Square after being released to a family meeting. After 2 streets he is stopped by a cop who seems to be interested in a long check of the car and person. Can he tell the player that he is busy going to a meeting and has no time or would he be 'forced' to roleplay along with the check? What if this one is finished and three streets further another police officer attempts the same?
What if when het gets out near the meeting there is another player who wants to roleplay a robbery?
Now a second situation. Noob_Player goes up to a street gang and says 'hi'. He gets the message to go away because they do not play with noobs. Can he report the street gang for not being willing to roleplay?
Yes he would be able to the thing is, would his RP level be of a similar level to the gang's or is he one of those who RPs, "/me takes a gun out of his ass and shoots the balla because he's back".Considering the age of SA:MP a new player might have higher skills as the street gang, the only way to find out is to engage in roleplay.
But what is your answer on the first situation?
i see this as lack of communication between the officers then, but of course he should stop of he is being pulled overYou actually mean that isf you get held up on your way to a meeting by 5 different people who will take at least 10 minutes you must just allow them?
he should go along with the robbery and try to contact his fellow mafiafriends, and if he fails he can always go to them after and then they can take action on the robber
depends, if he just says "hi" the problem lies with the other players if they just ignore him or tell him to go away, and they should be talked to ofcourse but as fernando said, is he an direct asspuller or just a guy with small wordusage
Alot of what have been said in Argonath Vision has changed, and this is probably why you're disappointed.It has nothing to do with disappointment, remember I can stop and turn around the changes would I be against trying.
Argonath Vision stated clearly that SAPD will never be closed and joined by applications only...but it did happen.
Argonath Vision also stated that you're not forced to roleplay but now we are.
At first it was hard to accept but we eventually did.
Of course I loved how the server was, thats what kept me in it but I do still love it now.
and if you ask me which one I prefer the old vision or the new one I would say RS4. but sadly thats no longer an option
Why would you refuse? It's role-play no matter if the same thing just happened five times before within ten minutes. It's a nasty city out there loaded with criminals.I wonder if you would feel the same without the capability to disappear....
You just get laughed at if you said "sorry guys can't do this right now about to have a Mafia meeting at our HQ bye!"
Being robbed five times in a row might be daunting but not every robbery will be the same, you might get some crazy drug addict trying to hold you up for $200 or a street gang looking to take your cellphone and shoes. Opportunity comes round go with it not brush it off because you have a meeting, like Emmett said call for back-up.
It has nothing to do with disappointment, remember I can stop and turn around the changes would I be against trying.Well I believe Scripters honoured SAPD Staff request to turn it closed group because cops were very abusive RPing curropts cops and didn't get copbanned which gave them alot of fun time and pissed few other players pulling them over and shooting them to death claiming they were curropt and sadly admins didn't do anything about it since RPing curropt officer that is a serial killer was allowed back then.... I wish a great leadership will appear in game to change, an idol that will lead greatest RP that doesn't include killing, DMing in all scenes like Frank Hawk, SAPD old leaders and Families Old leaders, I am not criticising current leader I know many leaders who are doing a great job Like Nexus, Trane and a few more but still thats not enough a server that have reached such a great quality back in the old days shouldn't ever be brought down.
As for SAPD, one of the planned changes in RS5 was new cops taking a trainin course of one week until being able to go in to uniform.
The one difference is that we planned it to be automated instead of by people, for a simple reason. Unless SAPD training staff can be present equal among all time zones, a personalized training put players at a disadvantage.This means if we get complaints from players that they can not join SAPD because there are never trainers on, SAPD will have a problem in keeping it within the current system.
As for forced to roleplay, the intent was never to allow players getting away with lame excuses. The intent was to disallow players being forced to partake in a scenario they have zero interest in because else they might be punished. For me that is close to cyberbullying.
I wonder if you would feel the same without the capability to disappear....
I wonder if you would feel the same without the capability to disappear....
Just find someone else to play with...why interact with someone who is not interested?
remove /area and blips on the radar. lets roleplay then. realistic as it can getWhen it comes to /area, it is the most overused and worst way to catch anyone on the map, doesn't matter if it's a gang member or a criminal or even someone that you just want to extort for fun, you can just type it in and voilá - you know where he is at. For me, there's no other command in-game that I hate so much than this one, and yet here I am using it today. It's such a waste of progressive roleplay that could be done before the actual finding of the individual or the disappearance from someone. I can't honestly pick a good thing about it.
The players need to lose the mindset of losing things which leads to them not wanting to roleplay and get to grasp the idea of roleplay and the fact that you will lose things at times.This.
I wonder if you would feel the same without the capability to disappear....
Most people wouldn't be interested in being the victim in a roleplay situation, so that ideology is flawed within a roleplay community.We have survived since 2009(Maybe even before but the topic was made in 2009) with this same vision basically the changes was in the players this days... people no longer want to roleplay because we don't have leaders who pushes people into interacting with others who are here to roleplay and not just for trucking and working.
The players need to lose the mindset of losing things which leads to them not wanting to roleplay and get to grasp the idea of roleplay and the fact that you will lose things at times.
If people can't get over that fact then they're on the wrong server and in the wrong community.
Paruni is open for those that just want to run around shooting.
I've been reading so many theories about solutions and changes lately, yet I see none of you online and contributing so they can take place. While the forums are full of 'we should do this and that', in-game there are 30-35 players, and about 10-15 are roleplaying.
Things are simple, get your shit together and go do some roleplay in-game. This is what needs to be changed. It's easy to find out problems and then start talking about solutions, I can do it all day, but instead, I rather go in-game and have some actual fun.
We have survived since 2009(Maybe even before but the topic was made in 2009) with this same vision basically the changes was in the players this days... people no longer want to roleplay because we don't have leaders who pushes people into interacting with others who are here to roleplay and not just for trucking and working.
We can't change alot in the vision just because we are facing a few changes thats atleast what I think, for now you already changed aloooot in the vision I am learning to accept the changes it still does bug me but I do agree with it.... but if you do too many changes then the server won't be Argonath anymore it will turn into a whole new server Argonath Vision and history is what makes it special and different than other RP servers
I've been reading so many theories about solutions and changes lately, yet I see none of you online and contributing so they can take place. While the forums are full of 'we should do this and that', in-game there are 30-35 players, and about 10-15 are roleplaying.
Things are simple, get your shit together and go do some roleplay in-game. This is what needs to be changed. It's easy to find out problems and then start talking about solutions, I can do it all day, but instead, I rather go in-game and have some actual fun.
We have survived since 2009(Maybe even before but the topic was made in 2009) with this same vision basically the changes was in the players this days... people no longer want to roleplay because we don't have leaders who pushes people into interacting with others who are here to roleplay and not just for trucking and working.
We can't change alot in the vision just because we are facing a few changes thats atleast what I think, for now you already changed aloooot in the vision I am learning to accept the changes it still does bug me but I do agree with it.... but if you do too many changes then the server won't be Argonath anymore it will turn into a whole new server Argonath Vision and history is what makes it special and different than other RP servers
The vision aswell is what kept the server like this for so long... imagine if the vision was different or we didn't have a vision the server would have looked alot more different than now might be good different might be bad different but still different...
So we can all agree that the original server always kept the vision as important as the rules of the server and worked by it...
Now as I said I am not against changing the vision but I am against deleting it, removing it or vandalise it.
I believe adding a few changes is into the vision might do well to the server but you can't just delete it and still call this community Argonath since the vision was partially moral more than physical, it disscussed how all players had the right to be in ARPD so we could all be treated equally and it also discussed not forcing RP on people because it was considered morally wrong.
You have to look on the vision from different perspective from what Gandalf thought when he wrote it and why he wrote it this way...
I myself didn't know all that but I did keep up with Gandalfs posts and learnt his perspective and I must say holding a server for over 6 years successfully shows actions of a wise man.
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It's easy to run a server when others do your job for you during unanswered months and months of negligence due to inactivity and real life commitments.
Enough said.
won't be showing the admin's name but well if this is how the thing will roll, it is surely bad for everyone.I'm sorry but you gave it away, it's okay though. He tends to do this. And no, not every admin does this. Actually, he's the only one as far as I know.
Well I believe Scripters honoured SAPD Staff request to turn it closed group because cops were very abusive RPing curropts cops and didn't get copbanned which gave them alot of fun time and pissed few other players pulling them over and shooting them to death claiming they were curropt and sadly admins didn't do anything about it since RPing curropt officer that is a serial killer was allowed back then.... I wish a great leadership will appear in game to change, an idol that will lead greatest RP that doesn't include killing, DMing in all scenes like Frank Hawk, SAPD old leaders and Families Old leaders, I am not criticising current leader I know many leaders who are doing a great job Like Nexus, Trane and a few more but still thats not enough a server that have reached such a great quality back in the old days shouldn't ever be brought down.The SAPD is doing a much better job as the cops in the original game. Guess not many remember the storyline...
We don't need scripts as much as we need great leadership
I tried to perform a leadership figure but I failed, I guess I don't have the leadership skills that people are looking for....
BTW to not be disrespectfull Cheers to the Scripters, you did an amazing job this couple monthes especially Teddy, thank you for your time!!!
Most people wouldn't be interested in being the victim in a roleplay situation, so that ideology is flawed within a roleplay community.It is not about winning or losing but about doing the same stupid shit 100 times a day. That is what makes people tired.
The players need to lose the mindset of losing things which leads to them not wanting to roleplay and get to grasp the idea of roleplay and the fact that you will lose things at times.
If people can't get over that fact then they're on the wrong server and in the wrong community.
Paruni is open for those that just want to run around shooting.
I don't want to break anyone's heart but the vision is a document created years ago that people seem to keep mistaking for a holy book that everything must go through to be created or done.
The server is going in the direction of what would best suit the community, not a few paragraphs of text keeping things in one direction whilst those that deserve to be here push for another.
We really do not need a vision of a wizard defining any and all changes whilst the majority of the community that roleplays looks for more from the server.
We are keeping the server in line with what Argonath stands for but cleaning out the bullshit and the trash in the process of tidying up the entire place.
I've been reading so many theories about solutions and changes lately, yet I see none of you online and contributing so they can take place. While the forums are full of 'we should do this and that', in-game there are 30-35 players, and about 10-15 are roleplaying.That is usual. When people make a big fuss about changes and 'level' of roleplay always first check if they are actually playing.
Things are simple, get your shit together and go do some roleplay in-game. This is what needs to be changed. It's easy to find out problems and then start talking about solutions, I can do it all day, but instead, I rather go in-game and have some actual fun.
It's easy to run a server when others do your job for you during unanswered months and months of negligence due to inactivity and real life commitments.If that is how you do it you need to quit.
Enough said.
Enough bs... this topic just turned toxic. how about the Veterans of the server step up and teach players like they used to? people wouldn't do such stupid things and call it roleplay.. but if everyone just trucks and sits at pershing square/afking things wont change.You are aware of how some veterans are treated, right?
You are aware of how some veterans are treated, right?I'm not treated bad or anything, i still continue to roleplay daily...
I'm not treated bad or anything, i still continue to roleplay daily...It may not apply to you, or to me, but there are numerous examples where roleplay is destroyed before it can actually happen.
If that is how you do it you need to quit.
Let's talk a little bit about "the vision". What is a vision? A vision is obviously something you have when you start something up, where you want to be later on in your progress and it's something you use to stay in between the lines and not falling out. With that said, it was nearly ten years since Argonath once opened up and was created.Keep ranting as you want, but the thing that has become very obvious with the change to RS5 is that the one reason other communities are visited has nothing to do with the roleplay. They use a commercial model where people have to pay to get what they desire, and as a result people will hang on because they have invested not just time but also money in their account, which makes it a shame to give it up.
What does that vision to with anything these days except a previous goal of what Argonath once wanted to be? We are talking about "the vision" as something that can't be changed, that does not change by years and that is written in stone that we cannot touch. From my own experience, a vision changes by time and from what I've experienced with Argonath, that vision is still remaining the same old, grudgy, dark toned one that has prevent us from changing anything with the previous development team.
So what is our vision now, approximately ten years after the brand new release of this community?
Is it to develop further? Get on to the hosted list and get more players onto the server? Serve our member base with updates that is actually aimed towards a better future?
Where do we start? What is the actual plan that is TODAY'S VISION of tomorrow and forward? Do we even have one?
The player amount has gone from less to less, where the players has gone to other communities or quit playing. We never took care of the roleplay quality who has gone to LS:RP or other communities just because they felt Argonath never developed or did any changes to make types of progress when it comes to roleplay. Don't use "but this game is from the stone age", because if you open your eyes, there are still multiple roleplay servers that has a 500 of 500 players every damn day". I get what your saying about keeping the soul of Argonath. But in my world, I rather have a community that is more into developing and making progress even today, than being one that is so deeply into its past so they can't even see the future. It has even been tabu in the previous years to talk about LS:RP, like I do now. You'd even be censored if you did. Instead of taking what they've done by re-keeping their player base, growing widely and contributed radically to SA:MP in general, we have forbidden to talk about that. And yes, if remaining within an old gooey vision of what has been the past is what the future will look like, then I wish you the best of luck and I'm saying good bye for the last time.
Excuse my french but it was needed since it was from the deepest into my heart.
Right, tell the active leadership to quit, great move.You did not get it.
It may not apply to you, or to me, but there are numerous examples where roleplay is destroyed before it can actually happen.Exactly how it should be. Unfortunately people make it way too complicated.
There should be no (or minimal) admin involvement in roleplay, nor should explicit trolling and non-rp behavior be allowed. Veterans should indeed be teaching newcomers, but we have to accept that some newcomers cannot or will not learn, those can be dealt with by admins.
That is usual. When people make a big fuss about changes and 'level' of roleplay always first check if they are actually playing.
Most are just trolling and recruiting.
Hello Gandalf, obviously the reset (as you said above) affected on player loss. However i think when RS 5 released wasn't even in Alpha or Beta format. For my self i never gave up i'm still continuing every day with my faction but some other veterans need standards. Standards which your old scripting team (with all the respect that we may have for their contribution in RS4) never thought of. Now the current scripters are trying to do what was needed to be done a year or two years ago, we are hoping for the new features which i guess it's matter of days or weeks. With upcoming of the new features we can continue work for the player count, and even donations in that old paypal account.The problem is that I am a dinosaur who know the time when you roleplayed without any scripts.
Trust me is very difficult to keep new players in our server with current status that we are. We need more and more interesting things to give joy and motivation to new players and old veterans. You know Skype has /me and there's no difference between skype and our server. It's been chatroom for a long time now.
Hello Gandalf, obviously the reset (as you said above) affected on player loss. However i think when RS 5 released wasn't even in Alpha or Beta format. For my self i never gave up i'm still continuing every day with my faction but some other veterans need standards. Standards which your old scripting team (with all the respect that we may have for their contribution in RS4) never thought of. Now the current scripters are trying to do what was needed to be done a year or two years ago, we are hoping for the new features which i guess it's matter of days or weeks. With upcoming of the new features we can continue work for the player count, and even donations in that old paypal account.Agree.
Trust me is very difficult to keep new players in our server with current status that we are. We need more and more interesting things to give joy and motivation to new players and old veterans. You know Skype has /me and there's no difference between skype and our server. It's been chatroom for a long time now.
But still the main point is how people are in game, and how people are allowed to be in game.You know, you should come in game sometimes.
Since SAPD was restricted, server doesn't go over 60 players.
It is very unfortunate that people feel this way, as it kills creativity. For instance in the ancient times one would not need to script a fire mission. Instead a person that crashed their car might just call 911 and try to get police, fire department and medical teams present to get them out.
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At Gandalf's post:
I know you usually like to say that only /me is needed for roleplay, however:
That's something that won't simply work anymore in SA-MP. Maybe it worked back in 2006-2010 or something, but times change, people change and technology advances.
Sometime back then many things weren't possible like they are now, we need to keep going to the future instead of sticking back to old times.
Why would you roleplay for example smoking when you can have an actual object of cigarette in your hand with proper animation for it? no reason to.
Same goes for rest of situations that can be scripted... there's no point to imagine something if it's possible to have it visually made.
So yes, if server is properly scripted so it doesn't get you bored within 3 minutes of joining it, it can be successful.
I only partially agree with you. Sure a DM fest should be prohibited, but a server with 35 players is much easier to control as one with 150 players, regardless of what they are doing. Also we need new players to stay always.
Newbies who join to roleplay, will stay and roleplay with no issue regarding the SAPD system. Now if you think that the playerbase is so important that you'd rather give the newbies who want to DM an easy way to do it without rulebreaking, by being on cop duty, then suggest the orange dot hunting to be returned.
The playerbase has been indeed decreased, but it's fortunate that the people who're not willing to roleplay are missing. Go back to RS4, 150 players, DM fest in every corner because there was a tiny amount of people roleplaying.
I don't find a reason to complain about RS5, the script, the scripters or so. You're on a roleplay server and the main tool you got to succeed is creativity and basic English. Extra scripts and features are of course appreciated and bring some more interesting ways to have fun, but don't rely on them so much. Interaction between players is more important.
Stop finding reasons to complain and be glad you're given the basic things you need to be able to roleplay in this wonderful community.
Also we need new players to stay always.
Also we need new players to stay always.Good luck doing that with only /me. If there's no scripts, do you expect any player to stay ? I stood around until I found people I want to hang out with, because of the taxi system and the possibility to abuse people with it :lol:
What is left in SA:MP on a serious way are kids of ten years ago which today they are almost 28-30 YO and the kids of today that have other mindset.
I've been playing here for a long time now and just recently turned 21. :lol:
It may not apply to you, or to me, but there are numerous examples where roleplay is destroyed before it can actually happen.This is what I want!
There should be no (or minimal) admin involvement in roleplay, nor should explicit trolling and non-rp behavior be allowed. Veterans should indeed be teaching newcomers, but we have to accept that some newcomers cannot or will not learn, those can be dealt with by admins.
Those who are trolling in-game don't even bother posting a long sentence here, sadly it's the 'veterans' who do it.
It is very unfortunate that people feel this way, as it kills creativity. For instance in the ancient times one would not need to script a fire mission. Instead a person that crashed their car might just call 911 and try to get police, fire department and medical teams present to get them out.
Currently this is expected to be a scripted mission and people will even not do the mission unless there is money awarded.
The problem with this is that you can never script to the same level as your imagination can reach, as well as that you are stuck with the imagination of the scripters instead of your own.
If all you are able to do is follow a set of instructions you are a robot, not a human being.
If that is how you do it you need to quit.
If that is how you do it you need to quit.
also make sure you've got your SA:MP up to date when you try to join the server again, you probably still have SA-MP 0.1a.
That's about it.
In the ancient times, there were still demand and calls to make the roleplay a lot more strict for the some of the same reasons. Perhaps you remember a player "[Rstar]Carhartt" who was a high ranked admin and suggested changes because people didn't know what roleplay was or how to do it as there weren't any rules or guidelines in roleplaying and were encouraged to "use your imagination". Creativity will forever play the biggest part in roleplay, however adding some rules and guidelines even as Matthew. has said with the changes to scripted jobs, it couldn't hurt the server, if anything it will grow the roleplay and bring the community more together rather than lone trucking or growing weed. Carhartt got knocked back every time and in result, started advertising LS:RP and got banned. He probably did not go about it in the best way but it's a similar scenario and showed that the originality of the server can lose us veterans as well as new players. And this was in 2009.
Just for your info Corey, paruni has /area.
Ive heard about legendary roleplays of R*, TeaM, WS, TCL, Gvardia, Corleone, 58th, i9, SAPD, FBI, Swat and all other factions that made the history of this community. But you must know better than me that nowadays there are hundred of other options. What is left in SA:MP on a serious way are kids of ten years ago which today they are almost EDIT 21-30 YO and the kids of today that have other mindset. So Veterans, when join to kill time in SA:MP they do it for the sake of nostalgia but the new players need emotions and motivations. SA:MP it self is getting old but we must push forward with the new features (Is what Teddy and his crew are doing)You are contradicting yourself here. First you say have creativity then go on a rant about which scripts you feel are missing or lacking.
We have enough creativity dear Gandalf but without proper drug script we can't motivate the criminal factions and without criminal factions doing what they are supposed to do will affect in the whole cycle betwen factions to bring creativity and criminal roleplay is kinda limited so there's one big entity down. Without entity of criminals the cops won't do nothing more just few random trafic stops, or can answer 911 calls from firemans or paramedics (those last ones i can count only with fingers of right hand, 4 are firemans in our server and one 1 medic this medic is Conky) What i mean is that there won't be space for creativity if we suffer limitations.
Im really sorry for the old guys which deviated from your projects of RS5 i hope with my heart and soul that we recover. I cannot imagine if your projects and systems were now alive where we could be, but the most important thing which i would like to say is: The reason why we are left in this hmm lets call it /MISERY/ comes due to miscommunication with each other and stupid conflicts occured around between the ones who were in charge to finish their duty.
Now the HQ along with Scripting team are more united then ever, try to pay more attention to them since afaik are the only ones left to handle this Community.
We can't go forward if we aren't united. Happy Birthday to Aragorn.
Nop, its you who is doing it wrong, you shouldn't treat someone who is leading the community from long time from whilst you are away, As far as I know Devin,Teddy,Rusty and some other HQ members keeping the SA:MP community alive even in the hard circumstances when both of the owners are away and God knows where are they, when community needed them the most they disappeared, then at that time these are the guys who strives, instead of jumping from the sinking ship with their life boats.Still butthurt you chose to leave Paruni?
As far as roleplay thing concerned, no one can't change a shit unless people want too, I'm seeing here the individuals who have been talking here and writing some long paragraphs but we see them in game very rarely, So get in game start roleplay by yourself whether it is small ones or big ones, the thing is that are we doing that?.
Still butthurt you chose to leave Paruni?Actually he's not Paruni's Hamza. :lol:
You are contradicting yourself here. First you say have creativity then go on a rant about which scripts you feel are missing or lacking.
Still butthurt you chose to leave Paruni?
A fact: A solid, unique and interesting script is what a server needs to attract the player.... What keeps him on board? The atmosphere and mind-set of other players. If anyone here claims that scripts are just "an extra" and are not essential..... Big pile of horse shit.Tranlsation: I am tired of getting banned on LS:RP please copy their server for me.
Regarding SAPD:
I salute those who closed SAPD and restricted it to who are truly interested in a legal life and would like to have such a role as an occupation for their character. Why? Easy.... Separates troll-criminals - Dm'ers - Constant /SU users from going on duty. Not to mention that such a role is now taken more serious considering the fact you actually have work hard to earn the badge. Thus you won't waste it away easily ( unless you choose to be corrupted ;) ).
To the current cops, huge respect for your new regulations and the roleplay scenarios you offer upon bumping into us. Keep it up!
Regarding the scripts:
In my opinion, "script wise", Argonath is taking the right path.... What makes me say so? I'm enjoying the server more, and I've spotted at least 6-7 veterans who came back... If not more.
Big thank you for the effort and time you're putting into enhancing the server's scripts.
Concerning Roleplay:
Since everyone here is typing that they'd rather be on the server to roll with actual "roleplayers" and not bystanders ... Then yes I believe we should be strict on those who refuse to roleplay... I don't give a shit if you do not wish to be robbed in this particular minute you're forced to go through it. When a player logs into an RP/RPG server it means he already accepted the following terms and conditions:
- Must Role play with others and accept their roleplays regardless the event / scenario and outcome as long as it does not conflict with the heavy rules ( DM / Hack etc... )
Suggestions:
- Remove /area ..... I mean seriously... Seriously good reasons how the hell is /area beneficial in a roleplay server. Oh wait I found it! It kills the roleplay and exposes your location in a split second! Fuck yeah!
- Since not a lot will adapt to "No Blips" right away.... Turn all blips to white... Regardless of your job and status (admin / cop... / criminal..)
I heard this will be implemented though no? If so then hallelujah.- Support OOC/IC and MG/PG ...... BIG start for proper roleplay. How? I can now blow a cop's cover if he was infiltrating a mafia just because I heard so on skype and I won't even be punished for it.
There's shit load of other suggestions but let me see your opinions on the above since I highly doubt I'll get a thumbs up for it lmao.
Little things make a big difference:
- #FreeSprayCan - Re-instate it in the server and as one mentioned make it harmless.
- Restore usable Items - Cigarettes / Briefcase
- #FreeDice - This is beneficial to everyone.. How ? Hear me out:
As a gangster : we'd love to roll the dice in the alleyway or in our neighborhood to win a few Benjamins or items stolen from houses we robbed earlier.
Others: Illegal underground casinos
Bonus:Remember the S/F you spit after you attempt to make a move against someone? This is the answer! roll the damn dice and if the victim has a higher number your attempt is a fail and vice versa.....
Got more I want to talk about but I don't have enough time, peace.
Actually he's not Paruni's Hamza. :lol:OOPS :rage:
Tranlsation: I am tired of getting banned on LS:RP please copy their server for me.
Do NOT say that word it will get you BANNED from the server !!!!111!!!Just like me :rofl:
I hope you realise the difference of veterans(like me) which are getting used of the situation and new players which register for first time.I do, however should we cater to be just like all other ones or remain a difference?
Do NOT say that word it will get you BANNED from the server !!!!111!!!I wonder how a discussion topic on LS:RP to bring more features of Argonath would end. :lol:
Tranlsation: I am tired of getting banned on LS:RP please copy their server for me.
I wonder how a discussion topic on LS:RP to bring more features of Argonath would end. :lol:
I do, however should we cater to be just like all other ones or remain a difference?
Still butthurt you chose to leave Paruni?You himself answered us that how active and involved in this community you are after the introduction of RS 5. ;)
Someone please call Damian and ask him to drag his Jack guy away. I don't think we need him here.
On a serious note, why do you bother putting your nose here if you don't give a single inch about this community? Or you're admin jailed for 20 days there for misspelling a word in RP?
and what I see in this topic is nothing but negativity and very few people actually caring to make progress. If you'd pull your heads out of your ass for a second and see how you are bad girling at others for actually trying to make progress rather than actually make progress... perhaps we could actually reach compromises that move this community forward... together.
I invite any moderator of this section to censore all the mentions of other communities, i feel very ashamed to be compared also now i feel persecuted due to my faction members suffered permbans and punishments in game and in forums for mentioning other communities without malicious intentions.
And drives around with his infernus on fireman duty.
And later on, cries about the new trucking script update which removes your cargo if the truck is too damaged.
:janek:
Tranlsation: I am tired of getting banned on LS:RP please copy their server for me.Translation: Let me not give a shit about what players care about and follow my own fart I like to call "Argonath-Vision".
Whenever you're ready.
Time to stop fighting... and that goes to you too "owner".. progress isn't made by utterly useless bickering which absolutely have no value in the discussion.
Keep ranting as you want, but the thing that has become very obvious with the change to RS5 is that the one reason other communities are visited has nothing to do with the roleplay.
If that is how you do it you need to quit.
You transmit things completely wrong. He said he wants the trucking script removed, and did not cry about the new update. You're a cop anyway, I can't blame you.I don't blame you too, you should not mix things between in game role-play character and real life. That's the real problem with us, getting things personal for any scene..
Whenever you're ready.A controlled TS chat between everyone would be the best to avoid that.
Time to stop fighting... and that goes to you to "owner".. progress isn't made by utterly useless bickering which absolutely have no value in the discussion.
I don't think community ownership is ready to take that big step just yet, as long as ownership still flags constructive ideas as rants and believes that the "vision" that became active in the early days of Argonath would still apply to Argonath SA:MP anno 2015.
Whats up with the attitude guys? cmon now....
I don't blame you too, you should not mix things between in game role-play character and real life.
Exactly this... and then people wounder why there is no progress. There is no constructive debate here, it's just scattered thoughts aimed at jabbing random people.. not even ideas. Obviously not everyone will agree but there is a way to have constructive conversations without the content which sidelines the purpose. Until half these people, including the owner, can realize that... there will be no progress.Thats why i see pepole judging each other :/
It is very unfortunate that people feel this way, as it kills creativity. For instance in the ancient times one would not need to script a fire mission. Instead a person that crashed their car might just call 911 and try to get police, fire department and medical teams present to get them out.
Currently this is expected to be a scripted mission and people will even not do the mission unless there is money awarded.
The problem with this is that you can never script to the same level as your imagination can reach, as well as that you are stuck with the imagination of the scripters instead of your own.
If all you are able to do is follow a set of instructions you are a robot, not a human being.
- Make people roleplay instead of accepting various excuses such as "no i dont wanna rp now bye"
- No colors (orange dots)
- Dice
Some ideas were suggested:
- OOC/IC + MG/PG rules
- Improved jobs so new players have something to do and earn money with.
- Make people roleplay instead of accepting various excuses such as "no i dont wanna rp now bye"
- /area removal
- No colors (orange dots)
- Dice
And so on..
The problem isn't on the scripts but on the players mentality. We can advance from RS5 to RS1337 but if the players don't give a damn about the roleplay it won't work.
I do, however should we cater to be just like all other ones or remain a difference?Honestly, what's so unique about Argo?
Tranlsation: I am tired of getting banned on LS:RP please copy their server for me.Eight years ago, I would've respected that answer and believed you knew the best since you were older and more mature than me. Now, all I can see is a stubborn and moronic guy who still does his best to shove his head up to his own arse while he slowly kills the community he once masturbated to.
Honestly, what's so unique about Argo?
The only thing that makes Argonath unique is the community; if it wasn't for the friendships people have made here, everything would be dead by now.
Eight years ago, I would've respected that answer and believed you knew the best since you were older and more mature than me. Now, all I can see is a stubborn and moronic guy who still does his best to shove his head up to his own arse while he slowly kills the community he once masturbated to.
You fail to understand that the "world" you so much visionized about has changed within the community's age of growing older and more saggy. You keep screaming at people and telling them that they are wrong whilst you are inactive and do less and less to serve the community. You are too stubborn to fucking see the negative trend and the community's huge flaws while you still piss on LS:RP and other much more successful communities. The only thing you've developed during at least the last four-five years are your own inactivity and yet here you are telling the current leaders to quit and calling my deepest arguments as rants while you have a ten year outdated vision of the past while you don't have a single plan for the future.
You have no right to disrespect no one anymore because the only one who is wrong is you and your butt buddies who yet today are licking your goddamn diarrhea of your legs.
Have a good one.
The problem isn't on the scripts but on the players mentality. We can advance from RS5 to RS1337 but if the players don't give a damn about the roleplay it won't work.
- OOC/IC + MG/PG rules
- Improved jobs so new players have something to do and earn money with.
- Make people roleplay instead of accepting various excuses such as "no i dont wanna rp now bye"
- /area removal
- No colors (orange dots)
Eight years ago, I would've respected that answer and believed you knew the best since you were older and more mature than me. Now, all I can see is a stubborn and moronic guy who still does his best to shove his head up to his own arse while he slowly kills the community he once masturbated to.Word.
You fail to understand that the "world" you so much visionized about has changed within the community's age of growing older and more saggy. You keep screaming at people and telling them that they are wrong whilst you are inactive and do less and less to serve the community. You are too stubborn to fucking see the negative trend and the community's huge flaws while you still piss on LS:RP and other much more successful communities. The only thing you've developed during at least the last four-five years are your own inactivity and yet here you are telling the current leaders to quit and calling my deepest arguments as rants while you have a ten year outdated vision of the past while you don't have a single plan for the future.
You have no right to disrespect no one anymore because the only one who is wrong is you and your butt buddies who yet today are licking your goddamn diarrhea of your legs.
Have a good one.
Eight years ago, I would've respected that answer and believed you knew the best since you were older and more mature than me. Now, all I can see is a stubborn and moronic guy who still does his best to shove his head up to his own arse while he slowly kills the community he once masturbated to.
You fail to understand that the "world" you so much visionized about has changed within the community's age of growing older and more saggy. You keep screaming at people and telling them that they are wrong whilst you are inactive and do less and less to serve the community. You are too stubborn to fucking see the negative trend and the community's huge flaws while you still piss on LS:RP and other much more successful communities. The only thing you've developed during at least the last four-five years are your own inactivity and yet here you are telling the current leaders to quit and calling my deepest arguments as rants while you have a ten year outdated vision of the past while you don't have a single plan for the future.
You have no right to disrespect no one anymore because the only one who is wrong is you and your butt buddies who yet today are licking your goddamn diarrhea of your legs.
Have a good one.
Word.Gandalf still owns it and he makes his decision or not :/, why would gandalf step down and leave his community that he made?
Time to step down Gandalf, let Teddy and others take over the decision making process. They have great plans and are ready to make them a reality, they know what the community needs, and they are listening to the people of Argonath, which is exceptional in the history of Argonath itself. Only thing keeping them back is you, sadly.
Gandalf still owns it and he makes his decision or not :/, why would gandalf step down and leave his community that he made?
Gandalf still owns it and he makes his decision or not :/, why would gandalf step down and leave his community that he made?
Nobody told him to leave, we're suggesting him what's the best for the community.... you should really read what is being said here.All i understand what the fuck is going on is moaning and flaming and a bunch of non sense.... :/
If I'm not mistaken, Gandalf still pays for this server, and all of the supporting infrastructure as well. Even if I am, he was intrumental in founding the community that has since lasted like 9 f**cking years. So, it's possible that you shouldn't all be acting like immature shitters and literally insulting him on his own forum. If you disagree with him, that's fine, but there are better ways to voice your opinion than by insulting the owner of the server and sucking up to the egos of the new SAMP leaders. I even see vets coming out with all this shit about how much they seem to hate Gandalf and want him to go away forever or something, forgetting any of the past and not thinking about the financial future of the server at all.Agree with this.
I mean damn
All i understand what the fuck is going on is moaning and flaming and a bunch of non sense.... :/Then you obviously aren't mentally stable.
All i understand what the fuck is going on is moaning and flaming and a bunch of non sense.... :/
If I'm not mistaken, Gandalf still pays for this server, and all of the supporting infrastructure as well. Even if I am, he was intrumental in founding the community that has since lasted like 9 f**cking years. So, it's possible that you shouldn't all be acting like immature shitters and literally insulting him on his own forum. If you disagree with him, that's fine, but there are better ways to voice your opinion than by insulting the owner of the server and sucking up to the egos of the new SAMP leaders. I even see vets coming out with all this shit about how much they seem to hate Gandalf and want him to go away forever or something, forgetting any of the past and not thinking about the financial future of the server at all.i agree...
I mean damn
If I'm not mistaken, Gandalf still pays for this server, and all of the supporting infrastructure as well. Even if I am, he was intrumental in founding the community that has since lasted like 9 f**cking years. So, it's possible that you shouldn't all be acting like immature shitters and literally insulting him on his own forum. If you disagree with him, that's fine, but there are better ways to voice your opinion than by insulting the owner of the server and sucking up to the egos of the new SAMP leaders. I even see vets coming out with all this shit about how much they seem to hate Gandalf and want him to go away forever or something, forgetting any of the past and not thinking about the financial future of the server at all.
I mean damn
I think you need to change your forum rank to ''Argonath Sugar Daddy'' instead of owner, it would fit your current role better.
You seem to not understand shit what is going on here....Yup
Yup
If you think its all a bunch of nonsense and you have no idea of whats going on, please refrain from getting yourself involved in the discussion.Screw it, i'll just look at the forum getting flooded with this "discussion"
Those who insult and rant at Gandalf here should consider packing their bags. Show some goddamn respect..
Whenever you're ready.IF you think this is fighting you have not seen anything yet.
Time to stop fighting... and that goes to you to "owner".. progress isn't made by utterly useless bickering which absolutely have no value in the discussion.
IF you think this is fighting you have not seen anything yet.
If you feel a discussion should be about how great everyone is go to a gay website.
In case it hasn't been abundantly obvious with the changes we've made... we really could careless. The current leadership of SA:MP itself, including our scripting team, is pro-community ideas rather than pro-outdated vision.And I have made it clear that I give the leader rope to hang themselves... within limits.
And I have made it clear that I give the leader rope to hang themselves... within limits.
and we've stayed generally within those limits out of respect for you... yet you do nothing but f**cking ignore us and insult the person who has more access to your community than you? Very smart. Luckily for you I am trustworthy and won't do anything stupid with that access.I want to quote that some pepole think you're very ignorant and powerhunger teddy, just sayin that ain't me....
I want to quote that some pepole think you're very ignorant and powerhunger teddy, just sayin that ain't me....What is your age?
I want to quote that some pepole think you're very ignorant and powerhunger teddy, just sayin that ain't me....
What is your age?Why do you care?
I want to quote that some pepole think you're very ignorant and powerhunger teddy, just sayin that ain't me....
I want to quote that some pepole think you're very ignorant and powerhunger teddy, just sayin that ain't me....
Oh please.. yeah you're def. the right person to say that.Oh lord, now pepole are gonna blame me for being a dickhead......., i said not me :/ am just sayin some pepole
Date Registered: March 04, 2015, 05:19:20 pm
Oh lord, now pepole are gonna blame me for being a dickhead......., i said not me :/ am just sayin some pepole
Honestly, what's so unique about Argo?There is no need to miss features or not have possibilities to earn, however all that does not mean there is no possibility to roleplay without it.
We are missing out on lots of scripts and features SA:MP has to offer, but that goes under the guise of ''use your imagination''.
We have a low playerbase in comparison with other RP servers.
Before the scripters team actively started scripting a while back (thx guys) we had to wait a year for a single update, whilst other communities had updates weekly.
The only thing that makes Argonath unique is the community; if it wasn't for the friendships people have made here, everything would be dead by now.
Why do you care?Cause you are becoming a nuisance in this conversation with your senseless posts without any maturity, people asked you to refrain posting bullshit here yet you are doing it proudly and without giving a f**k, that showing how immature you are.
I would love to see Gandalfs reply to Ques post, very constructive and mature points there.The mature train left long time ago.
Gandalf please state your word.
Cause you are becoming a nuisance in this conversation with your senseless posts without any maturity, people asked you to refrain posting bullshit here yet you are doing it proudly and without giving a f**k, that showing how immature you are.Well.. you can report rather then just say that shit, i would stop posting because thats better for me.
Eight years ago, I would've respected that answer and believed you knew the best since you were older and more mature than me. Now, all I can see is a stubborn and moronic guy who still does his best to shove his head up to his own arse while he slowly kills the community he once masturbated to.And you are still the same idiot who wants his way to be the only way and goes in to a baby crying spell when he gets some opposition.
You fail to understand that the "world" you so much visionized about has changed within the community's age of growing older and more saggy. You keep screaming at people and telling them that they are wrong whilst you are inactive and do less and less to serve the community. You are too stubborn to fucking see the negative trend and the community's huge flaws while you still piss on LS:RP and other much more successful communities. The only thing you've developed during at least the last four-five years are your own inactivity and yet here you are telling the current leaders to quit and calling my deepest arguments as rants while you have a ten year outdated vision of the past while you don't have a single plan for the future.
You have no right to disrespect no one anymore because the only one who is wrong is you and your butt buddies who yet today are licking your goddamn diarrhea of your legs.
Have a good one.
And I have made it clear that I give the leader rope to hang themselves... within limits.
Word.If I step down there is no more Argonath.
Time to step down Gandalf, let Teddy and others take over the decision making process. They have great plans and are ready to make them a reality, they know what the community needs, and they are listening to the people of Argonath, which is exceptional in the history of Argonath itself. Only thing keeping them back is you, sadly.
If I step down there is no more Argonath.
Well.. you can report rather then just say that shit, i would stop posting because thats better for me.Oh Please, don't twist my words, it is simple you don't care for my thoughts and we don't care about your thoughts because currently they seems to be very useless, and you are lacking in understanding it, I can't argue with someone who fails when it comes to thinking.
i wouldn't really care about your thoughts so could you just keep your thoughts to yourself
Oh Please, don't twist my words, it is simple you don't care for my thoughts and we don't care about your thoughts because currently they seems to be very useless, and you are lacking in understanding it, I can't argue with someone who fails when it comes to thinking.Like am trying to argue.......... am just looking at the forums and what pepole are saying, why they fuck would you put your nose in my stuff? you can leave me alone or go fuck yourself :/
Like am trying to argue.......... am just looking at the forums and what pepole are saying, why they fuck would you put your nose in my stuff? you can leave me alone or go fuck yourself :/
Please stop distracting people from my suicide rope, thank you.As you wish.
I agree, but as I said earlier in the topic:I guess you do not understand that SA:MP isn ot the only server here, and might under circumstances also not be at all here.
Gandalf hasn't fulfilled his ownership position actively at all within the last few years besides paying for the server. At the same time, HQ members were left to wait for him for months and months to make a simple decision before they could move on and implent a regulation or a new script.. which is ridicilous. Above that, Gandalf hasn't been around for the past couple of years actively yet appears to think that the vision he once created would still be suitable to Argonath anno 2015. Which it is not.
On top of everything, our beloved owner shows up in the topic to flag other people's imput and constructive ideas as rants without contributing anything productive himself besides continueing the discussion on the topic with his ideology from the MTA:VC era.
Like am trying to argue.......... am just looking at the forums and what pepole are saying, why they fuck would you put your nose in my stuff? you can leave me alone or go fuck yourself :/Yet again you proved yourself an immature mentally unstable person, who comes out of his shell very easily using abusive language and mixing the context, don't know what are you up to achieve on this forums with your useless posts, and I'm out of it, please refrain from quoting my posts.
Yet again you proved yourself an immature mentally unstable person, who comes out of his shell very easily using abusive language and mixing the context, don't know what are you up to achieve on this forums with your useless posts, and I'm out of it, please refrain from quoting my posts.Haven't you seen Devin's post? Quit it
If you're going to argue with each other at least do it privately...
And you are still the same idiot who wants his way to be the only way and goes in to a baby crying spell when he gets some opposition.Oh, you mean that community you laughed at even then and you made fun of our donate button, then a year later you were begging people to donate with your own donate button so you could get around?
Perhaps read my posts and you will understand them though I doubt your brain capacity has grown over the past years, 8 years ago when you ran away to make your own community it certainly was lacking.
If you feel a discussion should be about how great everyone is go to a gay website.you've clearly never been to a gay website :lol:
I guess same faith will happen like happen to AB-Playground community. Argonath may vanish, but people will gathering up and recreate something new and worth-full.There's nothing stopping people from doing this. It does however take a lot of money, resources, time, commitment, technical skill and leadership skills to create a server and community that will last.
There's nothing stopping people from doing this. It does however take a lot of money, resources, time, commitment, technical skill and leadership skills to create a server and community that will last.
Any word on when Kojak is coming back?
Why dont we just get some alcohol and calm down a bit?Community is underage, denied.
Why dont we just get some alcohol and calm down a bit?Might be a bad idea
Why dont we just get some alcohol and calm down a bit?
I guess you do not understand that SA:MP isn ot the only server here, and might under circumstances also not be at all here.
HQ members have always been free to take decisions just as they are now, that they were not doing it shows that maybe some were not fir to be leaders. As for the vision, it was as valid in 2009 as it is today, just look as the people who still remeber the same discussion being held at that time.
Thoguh the people discussing then would find the current rules heaven, as things have changed since then. Just some pricks who prefer to roleplay good roleplayers want to be listened to.
@Gandalf
This is a joke. We look like kids... we're here fighting with each other. We're suppose to be a team, this isn't a team. You won't answer my Skype messages for two days... yet you have people here taking "Gandalf vrs HQ vrs Players vrs Veterans" side.
It isn't the mature thing to do... why don't you get on TeamSpeak with us and resolve this.
Let's keep this on every page so he can't ignore it.If he wants to ignore it, he ignores it, lol.
If he wants to ignore it, he ignores it, lol.
Lets just move on with whatever it is the HQ has planned. So far its been good but this topic is cancerous and we don't want it to spread any further.
We intend to do so, we have not yet been instructed by Gandalf otherwise.Why do you have to wait for gandalf to tell you to move on or someshit? if this continues on there, something bad will happend.
We intend to do so, we have not yet been instructed by Gandalf otherwise.You guys have made decisions that made a positive impact on the community and its players. So lets keep it that way. If Gandalf does not want these changes then too bad.
Why do you have to wait for gandalf to tell you to move on or someshit? if this continues on there, something bad will happend.He wasn't talking with you..
Why do you have to wait for gandalf to tell you to move on or someshit? if this continues on there, something bad will happend.
We are not the last team, we don't wait for Gandalf. Gandalf has given us some room to work with and we intend to utilize the room. Sorry, I mean a rope. It's a rope. Until Gandalf cuts that rope, or takes it back... or whatever he intends to do with his rope... we will continue working with and for you, the community.Explains alot..
Why do you have to wait for gandalf to tell you to move on or someshit? if this continues on there, something bad will happend.Can you just stop posting that nonsense of yours, which is completely unrelated to any discussion going on.
we will continue working with and for you, the community.Tbh the way it should always be done!
Can you just stop posting that nonsense of yours, which is completely unrelated to any discussion going on./whenmade
You haven't been here enough long to even come up with anything healthy.
@Gandalf
This is a joke. We look like kids... we're here fighting with each other. We're suppose to be a team, this isn't a team. You won't answer my Skype messages for two days... yet you have people here taking "Gandalf vrs HQ vrs Players vrs Veterans" side.
It isn't the mature thing to do... why don't you get on TeamSpeak with us and resolve this.
Let's keep this on every page so he can't ignore it.
You haven't been here enough long to even come up with anything healthy.
I say lets blame Stof for all of this. He wouldn't mind, would you bro?I dont see Stof doing anything wrong:/
(http://img.mylot.com/350x350/2608128.jpg)RIP Teddy
I dont see Stof doing anything wrong:/If you were abit older you would've seen that.
I dont see Stof doing anything wrong:/
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Our conversations shouldn't get leaked here then ^.^As usual people seem not to read or not to understand what is written. The reason I invested in this topic is to discuss how to make the changes people are asking and the leaders are willing to make while keeping things fair for all.
But on point... Gandalf does pay for this server and he did build it up. We don't want him to leave, we want him to step and take responsibility. We want him to become an active participant, don't forget those of you saying shitting on vets... he himself is a veteran... he is the first player. However what needs to be different is less dependency on an outdated vision, and more open discussions with the community that are productive and progressive. If the owner gets involved in that and is willing to listen and keep and open mind.... the level of progression we can make would truly be historic in this community.
and we've stayed generally within those limits out of respect for you... yet you do nothing but f**cking ignore us and insult the person who has more access to your community than you? Very smart. Luckily for you I am trustworthy and won't do anything stupid with that access.If you are unable to separat constructive discussion from criticism then you need to get a better perspective.
Are you intent on destroying the community you pay for? By the looks of it you are.Look up the expression and you might understand waht I mean there.
Thanks for the rope though, it has helped me get water out of my well for the past few months rather successfully.
With that said it has also led to the community growing from the stagnant state it was in after the last "team" left.
If you would like it back I am sure we can work something out.
I guess same faith will happen like happen to AB-Playground community. Argonath may vanish, but people will gathering up and recreate something new and worth-full.Do not misrepresent the story. On AB the owner was in course of events, just he listened to power-hungry leadrers who did not listen to the players. Here it seems the leaders try to listen but the effect is doubtful...
Remember the times you and the rest of Mightiest Swedes made up your own community because it didn't go the way you and your buddies wanted it to go!? Do you feel us now?
@GandalfYou know well enough that Skye is not the place to contact me nowadays. Takes too much time when I am stressed with other work.
This is a joke. We look like kids... we're here fighting with each other. We're suppose to be a team, this isn't a team. You won't answer my Skype messages for two days... yet you have people here taking "Gandalf vrs HQ vrs Players vrs Veterans" side.
It isn't the mature thing to do... why don't you get on TeamSpeak with us and resolve this.
No, that didn't work out too well for Jaaskaa last time. Lets not get into that.Once again there is nowhere that I have said ideas should not be tried or used. All I have been doing in the beginning ofthe topic is put forward the possible problems.
What many find an issue is that even although they spend time and effort into the community by creating idea's and attempting to establish something within the community it nevertheless immediately gets denied because it does not fit or suit the vision that was once, many years ago, created as it back then suited the community. Many, including SA:MP HQ team, believe that the vision is outdated and no longer fits the community as it currently is. (This does not only mean SA:MP, but also its other divisions ... don't forget that SA:MP has always been the biggest division on Argonath and has influenced the community to what it is today.) Then you come in, even although you have been inactive for a long period of time, not contributing to the community other than paying the monthly bills and showing up during a shitstorm, and you just flag the constructive ideas of those who have contributed a lot to the community lately by spending their time and effort creating ideas and working things out in-game.
You're ignoring other HQ members when they need you, you've not been there impenting changes when it was necessarily and you remain stuck in this old fashioned ideology that does no longer work in Argonath RPG 2015. Its good to see the SA:MP HQ Team has a different ''vision'' and infact implented some changes that would never have happened if it wasn't for the old teambeing removedleaving the community.
You know well enough that Skye is not the place to contact me nowadays. Takes too much time when I am stressed with other work.Contacting you on skype and you not responding isn't really a problem to me, because i know you will respone afterwards also i know you have some stuff you have to deal with irl so :3
We intend to do so, we have not yet been instructed by Gandalf otherwise.And I do not intend to interfere in it, just now and then give food for thought.
The way i see it right now, bunch of people that lead the community jump and fight with each other like morons over and over, passing the ball to each other and blaming it to the others, however this is not the way to deal with the problem. In the one hand are the people that want change, but before you people jump in here with bunch of requests think first, there are much questions about making those changes that you want, it's not impossible too. However the things you have to think about is, how those changes will affect the community, how they will be surely enforced, how they will be added at first, thats the point after all. Sorry for the strong language.I 100% Agree wid ya
Contacting you on skype and you not responding isn't really a problem to me, because i know you will respone afterwards also i know you have some stuff you have to deal with irl so :3You were lucky, it can take weeks sometimes. :lol:
You were lucky, it can take weeks sometimes. :lol:Well Mission completed! :bananav: now i can spam your skyupe <3
I 100% Agree wid yaCan you stop posting please?
The way i see it right now, bunch of people that lead the community jump and fight with each other like morons over and over, passing the ball to each other and blaming it to the others, however this is not the way to deal with the problem. In the one hand are the people that want change, but before you people jump in here with bunch of requests think first, there are much questions about making those changes that you want, it's not impossible too. However the things you have to think about is, how those changes will affect the community, how they will be surely enforced, how they will be added at first, thats the point after all. Sorry for the strong language.That indeed is the point, and that is what I have been trying to do before everyone got scared I might interfere.
In my opinion, the following stuff should be done:
Leadership
The current leadership is vague. Do we even have community leaders? If yes, what may they do? Are server staff supposed to listen to them?
Let's go over the organisation and HQ to clearly review the structure and adjust if necessary.
Development
This is fine currently. A clear roadmap exists and solid progress is made. Maybe bring a little more progress indicators to the table. I know Teddy has a to-do manager in use somewhere. Use it!
Roleplay
My biggest concern is roleplay, with the government in particular. There's no clear leadership causing many initiatives to be frustrated or end prematurely. What we need is the Provisional Parliament to be enacted as lawmakers. There is a room for political roleplay as time has shown again and again. I really cannot wait for a parliment debate in-game!
On the other hand, also the Courts need an update. It should not be judges who make the laws either. Speaking of judges, progress is too slow and the RS4 era highly active courts have come to a slow ever since the courts were "closed". Appoint a new head Judge if you have to, but make sure it gets active. There's loads of cases to be handled, especially with an updated constitution!
With a new constitution, we come to law enforcement. It obviously needs clear leadership, guidance, laws and regulations. Make sure they get that!
With these basic changes (there are obviously much more!), we should be able to get this community back on track. As always, the main focus should be introducing more or new roleplay!
The changes that are made by HQ need to settle before we can judge them. As for government (and civilian in general) roleplay we have been wanting this for ages, unfortunately it has always gotten stuck at the point where responsibilities and powers come in to play.
In our idea the government would actually get the possibility to do something, however this must be separated from rules and admin work.
Also government would require civilians, and one of the largest issues is the lack of those.
A constitution and laws should be clear, but also not conflict with the rules. This has been an issue with bith making laws and regulations, and has led to a lot of frustration in the past. Also a constitution and derivate laws should not become filled with unneeded rules that try to implement every situation. As recently discussed, the Court cases are to provide explanation the law should be short and applicable universally.
I 100% Agree wid yaWhat are you doing like for real, haha. You don't provide any help unless saying 'yes, i agree' 'no i don't agree'. You even replied for things that weren't meant for you. Please stop posthunting.
I haven't seen this many replies since people were waiting for RS5.There've been many.
Seperation from rules and admin work - yes, a parliament should be strictly focussed on making and amending laws.The problem is to find voters that do not try to bring in corruption. :lol:
Lack of civilians - no, there's a group of five already that have formed a parliament, and at least 10 others that are looking to run a political campaign.
Court/constitution - The constitution is in urgent need of a rewrite. I'm not talking about changing the basic ideas or rights, but more in terms of an update to present date. Also, a lot of things conflict in the current laws or is outdated/RS4 era.
I vote for Pizza to get muted.Why? Posthunting has not been working for a long time and frankly speaking the provokers telling someone to shut up and stop posting are more annoying...
Just my opinion on the matter.
Why? Posthunting has not been working for a long time and frankly speaking the provokers telling someone to shut up and stop posting are more annoying...It's actually funny to read, but he's really missing the point and I guess everyone would like to see the leaders and the players reaching to a decision that's good for both parties, instead of some dude with the IQ of a mole.
Well Mission completed! :bananav: now i can spam your skyupe <3
I 100% Agree wid ya
Contacting you on skype and you not responding isn't really a problem to me, because i know you will respone afterwards also i know you have some stuff you have to deal with irl so :3
RIP Teddy
Explains alot..
thanks teddy
I hope this topic gets removed as fast as possible.
As you wish.
Haven't you seen Devin's post? Quit it
Like am trying to argue.......... am just looking at the forums and what pepole are saying, why they fuck would you put your nose in my stuff? you can leave me alone or go fuck yourself :/
Well.. you can report rather then just say that shit, i would stop posting because thats better for me.
i wouldn't really care about your thoughts so could you just keep your thoughts to yourself
Oh lord, now pepole are gonna blame me for being a dickhead......., i said not me :/ am just sayin some pepole
Why do you care?
I want to quote that some pepole think you're very ignorant and powerhunger teddy, just sayin that ain't me....
*facepalm* :neutral2: Great. this is getting childish..., guys lets just stop
Screw it, i'll just look at the forum getting flooded with this "discussion"
i agree...
Yup
All i understand what the fuck is going on is moaning and flaming and a bunch of non sense.... :/
Gandalf still owns it and he makes his decision or not :/, why would gandalf step down and leave his community that he made?
Thats why i see pepole judging each other :/
Whats up with the attitude guys? cmon now....
It's actually funny to read, but he's really missing the point and I guess everyone would like to see the leaders and the players reaching to a decision that's good for both parties, instead of some dude with the IQ of a mole.if every post needs to be well-thought and constructive we need a lot of board modertators. :balance:
Here:
This topic was originally supposed to be constructive, not destructive, right?Yup. Until some people decided that they might not get their way if based on reason and started ad hominem hoping to get it in to oblivion.
So if I understand this correctly, the OP was just stating that the problem was with the person not wanting to roleplay.Problem ist where are my clothes.
How did it get into such this big of a discussion so quickly?
What's the actual problem?
Why? Posthunting has not been working for a long time and frankly speaking the provokers telling someone to shut up and stop posting are more annoying...and rude, why cant pepole be nice :/
and rude, why cant pepole be nice :/People tend to get irritated by people who don't participate in seeking for a solution rather than get a high number on their posts.
So if I understand this correctly, the OP was just stating that the problem was with the person not wanting to roleplay.The problem is that leadership has promised to move to a more 'forced' roleplay and people believe that is against my wishes or the Vision. Those are the people who probably have been fed lies for a long time, as I am as much against the /soz busy and /dontwannarp messages and have actually punished people for them more than once.
How did it get into such this big of a discussion so quickly?
What's the actual problem?
People tend to get irritated by people who don't participate in seeking for a solution rather than get a high number on their posts.To be honest, am not that kinda person who wants to have alot of posts on his account :/
Then stop and let the discussion continue as its supossed to be, please. Your comments have been derailing this for a few pages now and you still can't realize that it would be better if you stop replying unless you have something to say related to the subject in the topic rather than just posting that you agree with what others are saying and/or answering people that is telling you to not answer anymore. Trying to explain you this in the most peaceful way, we are all here to share our opinions on an important matter that is concerning in the SA:MP server, you are not doing that so please, stop.Okay then
With that said it has also led to the community growing from the stagnant state it was in after the last "team" left.
So it was all my, xcasios and Conroys fault ye?There wouldn't be a problem if you listened to your community instead of rushing to release an unfinished script.
So it was all my, xcasios and Conroys fault ye?
There wouldn't be a problem if you listened to your community instead of rushing to release an unfinished script.yea sure, roll back RS4 to the months-old backup only to release RS5 a few months later
Yes.lol
Instead of being a general idiot and going "pls i dont want to roleplay" try to reason with the attacker in a more proper way. Such when getting robbed, you could beg the thief not to steal from you as you're a poor man who tries to help his family, or you want to feed your sick child who has 3 arms.
There wouldn't be a problem if you listened to your community instead of rushing to release an unfinished script.
There wouldn't be a problem if you listened to your community instead of rushing to release an unfinished script.
wb btw
Yes.
The problem is that leadership has promised to move to a more 'forced' roleplay and people believe that is against my wishes or the Vision. Those are the people who probably have been fed lies for a long time, as I am as much against the /soz busy and /dontwannarp messages and have actually punished people for them more than once.I gotcha.
My point was that while we should get rid of people too busy pharming to interact with others actually enforcing such a thing would bring a number of risks of unfair punishment as may not be able to witness it happening and are not allowed to punish based on report alone.
This seems to lead to people believing I will block things and getting butthurt already before anything is done.
Instead of offering solutions for possible unfairness they start with verbal attacks, as when you have no solution the best option is to attack and riducule the person noticing the problem.
And i'm not back.
I say lets blame Stof for all of this. He wouldn't mind, would you bro?
If RS5 was really good you wasn't going to leave the server..
Maybe he's trying this new game called: IRL.
wait, i have IRL too and i still play, im not so active like i was in past but i still play, so what you said makes no sense
Maybe he's trying this new game called: IRL.
This game has the best graphics I've ever seen. However the respawn system is buggy with no news on a patch for it, no PVP system (perma ban), and the NPC interactions are just awful. Sure it's also free to play but my god... these f**cking pay to win mechanics are rigged beyond belief.
I would recommend he stop playing this game and wouldn't recommend anyone else try it. 2.5/10.
Next step - get hosted tab and boost advertisements, maybe make a nice one on SA-MP forums.
Nothing to do with 20 players. Reminds me of RS5 beginning when people were only talking on public chat.
Hosted tab is a waste of money. Proper, targetted advertising isn't.
The resolution to all our problems is to introduce cats ingame.
So it was all my, xcasios and Conroys fault ye?Considering the relative short time you were part I would never blame you. However the other two were constantly hovering in and out of inactivity and because of that lost the initial plot, their initial helpers were also not of any help. By the time you and others came in it was already more the cawse to get at least somehting released, and there you did a great job.
The resolution to all our problems is to introduce cats ingame.My cat is already on Skype, might try to get in game too...
Is that you indirectly asking for your rope back now?Did you look up the expression yet?
The resolution to all our problems is to introduce cats ingame.