Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: [NP]Monte Montague on September 18, 2010, 03:58:06 am
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I will (re)start by opening a health discussion for the so called "No RP rule" which I hear so much about.
I personally do not understand it and feel it is not as simple as it looks, and something should be done about said rule to make it much more clearer / to remove it all together as I think it's a barrier to spontaneous RP.
I feel people are constantly bitter to each other when it comes down to RP.
For example. If a cop stops you to do a random identity search - as there is a bank robber on the lose, you should not say "OMG I DID NOTHING" if and when he suspects you and attempts to take the RP out of public - this offers great opportunities.
My Personal belief is people use this "NO FORCE RP RULE" to avoid rp which they might be scared of doing.
I think the rule should be less focussed on actual forcing of RP. In fact it should become guidelines rather then rules, it can be dealt with by players.
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Well I have one thing to say: If you don't want to RP, leave.
Hello. Who the fuck you think you are?
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Hello. Who the f**k you think you are?
Hello.
Thankyou for posting.
I am InfernalCurse.
If you do not like my views on said subject I suggest you do not take part in the discussion.
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Hello. Who the f**k you think you are?
in some weird way, and MORE polite way, I can agree with this...
We all know this topic has been around forever... I did not ever even notice that its 'on the rise' or anything, or even that people are making a big deal out of it. And everyone has always been saying things like this, creating topics like this, You know what this does? Cause damned fights which ruins the community.
How about you make a topic about how when people post topics to repeat things that everyone already says, and provoke a huge argument over something we all know of, is bad?
Sorry for being rude but it aches me to see people post things like this. Its like in elementary school, you tell someone 'be quiet!' and they say 'your talking too!' and you say 'but you talked first i just told you to stop! god!' and then you both get in trouble by the teacher... In other words, this is an echo/snowball topic...
If you do not like my views on said subject I suggest you do not take part in the discussion.
So anyone who does not have your point of view shouldn't talk because they don't agree with you?
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If you do not like my views on said subject I suggest you do not take part in the discussion.
Then it's not a discussion and is more like a "shut up and listen to me"-fest.
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If you are a suspect, you commit crimes, you kill cops, then /gu...You agree to face the punishment for your crimes, be it mordor or prison for 30 seconds...
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If you are a suspect, you commit crimes, you kill cops, then /gu...You agree to face the punishment for your crimes, be it mordor or prison for 30 seconds...
For once in all the time I have played here in this server I agree with you and I appreicate with what you just said. THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAt.
Really it ticks me off when suspects constantly kill cops all day, then they /gu and they are like "I want 30 second jail pls ty very much"
For me when a criminal does that much crime, killing cops, so many felony crimes its either the death penalty or mordor for them
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I posted my opinion too early, before I'd started the discussion yes.
But this is a General Discussion thread, not a split up community thread.
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I think it's bullshit when I pull over soemone and say "/m turn off engine" he does /me turns of engine.
Then I ask him "hello sir"
He says "hi"
Then I say "Hello sir, why are you in a chicken suit?"
Then he says "Why do you want to know"
Then i ask him to get out,
I ask him to put his hands on the car, he does so.
Then I put cuffs on him and say "Sir, I am arresting you on suspicion of bank robbery"
He then throws a fit and goes "OMFG NO ABUSE LOL HAX" or something , in an admins pm.
An admin usnuspects him.
I talk to this admin and he says instead of using "Suspected of bank robbery" use "bank robbery" instead.
so I do.
Then he reports me again. Another admin comes on scene and questions him in pm, I tell that admin that I was told to suspect for "bank robbery" instead, so I did so.
He ends up unsuspecting him and saying "YOU CANT FORCE RP/ HE DOESNT WANT TO RP" or something like this.
So after pulling over, rping, then suddenly being suspected he doesn't want to rp any-more. But if I was to go up to him whilst he was orange he'd shoot me most likely.
I told them if you feel abused you can /gu and ask for an unsus, we was going to go to LSPD anyway after he surrendered to review evidence and to search his van.
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I ask him "hello sir"
He says "hi"
Then I say "Hello sir, why are you in a chicken suit?"
Then he says "Why do you want to know"
Then i ask him to get out,
I ask him to put his hands on the car, he does so.
Then I put cuffs on him and say "Sir, I am arresting you on suspicion of bank robbery"
He then throws a fit and goes "OMFG NO ABUSE LOL HAX" or something , in an admins pm.
An admin usnuspects him.
I talk to this admin and he says instead of using "Suspected of bank robbery" use "bank robbery" instead.
so I do.
Then he reports me again. Another admin comes on scene and questions him in pm, I tell that admin that I was told to suspect for "bank robbery" instead, so I did so.
He ends up unsuspecting him and saying "YOU CANT FORCE RP/ HE DOESNT WANT TO RP" or something like this.
So after pulling over, rping, then suddenly being suspected he doesn't want to rp any-more. But if I was to go up to him whilst he was orange he'd shoot me most likely.
I told them if you feel abused you can /gu and ask for an unsus, we was going to go to LSPD anyway after he surrendered to review evidence and to search his van.
Cool story bro.
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I have improved post one.
Let's get back to topic please, sorry for confusion.
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Hello. Who the f**k you think you are?
:alert" Little boy actin' like a big man. :alert"
Damn that thing is cool.
On topic, I agree with you but making topics isn't the way to solve it. People take advantage of some of the things Gandalf says. Speak with him privately on MSN when he's available to discuss it with him, or just spread it around in the server. If what you're doing is wrong you'll be advised..
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I posted my opinion too early, before I'd started the discussion yes.
But this is a General Discussion thread, not a split up community thread.
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I think it's bullshit when I pull over soemone and say "/m turn off engine" he does /me turns of engine.
Then I ask him "hello sir"
He says "hi"
Then I say "Hello sir, why are you in a chicken suit?"
Then he says "Why do you want to know"
Then i ask him to get out,
I ask him to put his hands on the car, he does so.
Then I put cuffs on him and say "Sir, I am arresting you on suspicion of bank robbery"
He then throws a fit and goes "OMFG NO ABUSE LOL HAX" or something , in an admins pm.
An admin usnuspects him.
I talk to this admin and he says instead of using "Suspected of bank robbery" use "bank robbery" instead.
so I do.
Then he reports me again. Another admin comes on scene and questions him in pm, I tell that admin that I was told to suspect for "bank robbery" instead, so I did so.
He ends up unsuspecting him and saying "YOU CANT FORCE RP/ HE DOESNT WANT TO RP" or something like this.
So after pulling over, rping, then suddenly being suspected he doesn't want to rp any-more. But if I was to go up to him whilst he was orange he'd shoot me most likely.
I told them if you feel abused you can /gu and ask for an unsus, we was going to go to LSPD anyway after he surrendered to review evidence and to search his van.
I will not respond to you and how your provoking me (I am the guy he pulled over), BUT I WILL SAY THIS:
''Throws a fit and goes 'OMG LOL WTF ABUSE''' - I never even said one thing to you bad, I reported you to an adminand he unsuspected me, then you suspected me again, so I reported again, and you know you can not force RP, so why did you try? If i said I didn't want to RP why would you continue to try to force that upon me?
Thanks..
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EDIT: Rofl'd at Squeak's post...
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Question: Suspect decides to /gu and wants an immediate jail. Can cops force the suspect to go to mordor?
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[error] :alert" Little boy actin' like a big man. :alert"[/error]
Damn that thing is cool.
On topic, I agree with you but making topics isn't the way to solve it. People take advantage of some of the things Gandalf says. Speak with him privately on MSN when he's available to discuss it with him, or just spread it around in the server. If what you're doing is wrong you'll be advised..
He's never on or didn't accept me.
And yes they do take advantage, and some admins think it's a rule that you can say "NO FORCE RP" or "I DONT WANT TO RP" and get away with murder literally. I do not know entirely , but I made this topic for that reason, to find out.
The way initially how i started the topic was inviting to anyone to post, but I've tried to fix this now, it's late, they caught me off guard and i am grumpy.
I think working in the community / with / as a community is the way forward.
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Question: Suspect decides to /gu and wants an immediate jail. Can cops force the suspect to go to mordor?
Erm Suspsect should respect the fact cops want to RP.
Both parties should RP.
RP first.
RP second.
RP only.
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Erm Suspsect should respect the fact cops want to RP.
Both parties should RP.
RP first.
RP second.
RP only.
Yes, but I am asking, if not wanted to go there, can you be forced to go to mordor?
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Antonio, you agree to RP with them
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Curse lets ignore the past few events and have a constructive conversation.. no dirty words or cheap shots.
Players do not 'take advantage' of the rule of forcing RP, they simply want it to be followed. Example: I am an officer, i pull over player1. I tell player1 he is a suspect for a murder scene and needs to come to PD for interviewing. Playert1 agrees to go to PD for questioning. he is let go and unsuspected. 2 minutes later, I find player1 again and suspect him for suspected murderer.. is this fair? I put his life at risk (being suspected) and can waste all of his time I want because if he doesn't come with me to PD (Assuming there is no 'forced RP rule) I can suspect him for refusing / not following police orders, and then I can do it to anyone at any time, because why? Because i have the power to, and I virtually can't be stopped...
Put yourself in the position of 'Player1', not only your own Police officer point of view.
Erm Suspsect should respect the fact cops want to RP.
Both parties should RP.
RP first.
RP second.
RP only.
You don't have to RP on the server, even though it is for that prupose, a RP server. And the Cop should respect the fact suspects don't want to RP? or is this a 1 way thing? See my example above..
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Curse lets ignore the past few events and have a constructive conversation.. no dirty words or cheap shots.
Players do not 'take advantage' of the rule of forcing RP, they simply want it to be followed. Example: I am an officer, i pull over player1. I tell player1 he is a suspect for a murder scene and needs to come to PD for interviewing. Playert1 agrees to go to PD for questioning. he is let go and unsuspected. 2 minutes later, I find player1 again and suspect him for suspected murderer.. is this fair? I put his life at risk (being suspected) and can waste all of his time I want because if he doesn't come with me to PD (Assuming there is no 'forced RP rule) I can suspect him for refusing / not following police orders, and then I can do it to anyone at any time, because why? Because i have the power to, and I virtually can't be stopped...
Put yourself in the position of 'Player1', not only your own Police officer point of view.
You don't have to RP on the server, even though it is for that prupose, a RP server. And the Cop should respect the fact suspects don't want to RP? or is this a 1 way thing? See my example above..
If you join server it says "This is a RP server, you are expected to stay with in decent realms of RP".
This is what I live by.
Thats # 1 followed by other generic rules such as "NO SPAM, NO FLOOD, NO ..." and "NO HACKING, No Mods that give..." you get me? .
This is why I feel people take advantage of what Gandalf said. But I am not sure also about this rule.
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If you join server it says "This is a RP server, you are expected to stay with in decent realms of RP".
This is what I live by.
Thats # 1 followed by other generic rules such as "NO SPAM, NO FLOOD, NO ..." and "NO HACKING, No Mods that give..." you get me? .
This is why I feel people take advantage of what Gandalf said. But I am not sure also about this rule.
Let me go technical-shizzle on you. ''YOU ARE EXPECTED'' - Where does it ORDER/tell you to stay in realms of RP? all it really is is asking you to Stay in realms of RP, and RP. Are you saying someone who comes to server to chat with others or have some 'OOC' fun is not welcomed on server?
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I think it's bullshit when I pull over soemone and say "/m turn off engine" he does /me turns of engine.
Then I ask him "hello sir"
He says "hi"
Then I say "Hello sir, why are you in a chicken suit?"
Then he says "Why do you want to know"
Then i ask him to get out,
I ask him to put his hands on the car, he does so.
Then I put cuffs on him and say "Sir, I am arresting you on suspicion of bank robbery"
He then throws a fit and goes "OMFG NO ABUSE LOL HAX" or something , in an admins pm.
An admin usnuspects him.
I talk to this admin and he says instead of using "Suspected of bank robbery" use "bank robbery" instead.
so I do.
Then he reports me again. Another admin comes on scene and questions him in pm, I tell that admin that I was told to suspect for "bank robbery" instead, so I did so.
He ends up unsuspecting him and saying "YOU CANT FORCE RP/ HE DOESNT WANT TO RP" or something like this.
So after pulling over, rping, then suddenly being suspected he doesn't want to rp any-more. But if I was to go up to him whilst he was orange he'd shoot me most likely.
I told them if you feel abused you can /gu and ask for an unsus, we was going to go to LSPD anyway after he surrendered to review evidence and to search his van.
I never knew that just because some guy is cruising around in a chicken suit immediately meant he was off to rob a bank. You are suspecting someone for doing something that they haven't even done just so you can get a few dollars. If you were driving down the road wearing a Cluckin' Bell outfit, just for shits and giggles or not, you wouldn't like a cop to pull you over and say "Why are you wearing a chicken suit? I think you're going to rob a bank, you're under arrest." You just showed some of the lowest forms of RP I think I've ever seen, in fact I wouldn't even call it RP.
The guy could have been RPing as a mascot for a Cluckin' Bell store, he could have been a gimp for another player, he could have even just wanted to wear the suit for shits and giggles... Not everything equals up to a crime.
Chicken suit = bank robber, f**king ridiculous lol
I'd also like to point out InfernalCurse, that just because I am stating my opinion... Doesn't mean you need to go out of the way to change my subject title from "No force RP" to "Here we go again". Seriously, that's a tad low. Wanna know why you shouldn't do that? Because it changes the thread name in the Forum Index view. Changed.
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I never knew that just because some guy is cruising around in a chicken suit immediately meant he was off to rob a bank. You are suspecting someone for doing something that they haven't even done just so you can get a few dollars. If you were driving down the road wearing a Cluckin' Bell outfit, just for shits and giggles or not, you wouldn't like a cop to pull you over and say "Why are you wearing a chicken suit? I think you're going to rob a bank, you're under arrest." You just showed some of the lowest forms of RP I think I've ever seen, in fact I wouldn't even call it RP.
The guy could have been RPing as a mascot for a Cluckin' Bell store, he could have been a gimp for another player, he could have even just wanted to wear the suit for shits and giggles... Not everything equals up to a crime.
Chicken suit = bank robber, f**king ridiculous lol
I'd also like to point out InfernalCurse, that just because I am stating my opinion... Doesn't mean you need to go out of the way to change my subject title from "No force RP" to "Here we go again". Seriously, that's a tad low. Wanna know why you shouldn't do that? Because it changes the thread name in the Forum Index view. Changed.
lol?
Remember this thread was made before said incident.
It was clear my first post was confusing. It's late here.
I re did it.
I did the same thing to another random player and he had no issue with it - He was like "What? this is ludicrous! I want my LAWYER" as I pushed him into the police car.
He was later convicted of fraud.
He was jailed and then started to compliment me on how I'm a good rper and should become an admin! :lol: ( This was not Sarcasm as we had a lengthy discussion about what others do regarding moaning and stuff.)
I spontaneously RP when I can, it's RP even if you're not familiar with it.
I am not money hungry, do you know who I am ? I give so much money away as a lively hood.
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Let me go technical-shizzle on you. ''YOU ARE EXPECTED'' - Where does it ORDER/tell you to stay in realms of RP? all it really is is asking you to Stay in realms of RP, and RP. Are you saying someone who comes to server to chat with others or have some 'OOC' fun is not welcomed on server?
Not at all.
I mean, I pulled you over, and in the area there as a bank robber. I was looking for bank robber.
So I wanted to interrogate you, I got you confused with Jamal_Gvardia and was sure you'd not react like you did(as opposed to the totally different JAmal.J_Gvardia).
You totally was out of order by starting the rp then ending it because you did not want to be as suspect. We was going to go to LSPD where I was going to search your van and release you with compensation, but your fate was anger and "I DONT WANT TO RP" attitude.
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Please note that this is a discussion and not a 'insult-a-member' thread. Keep it fun for all parties to support a healthy conversation.
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Not at all.
I mean, I pulled you over, and in the area there as a bank robber. I was looking for bank robber.
So I wanted to interrogate you, I got you confused with Jamal_Gvardia and was sure you'd not react like you did(as opposed to the totally different JAmal.J_Gvardia).
You totally was out of order by starting the rp then ending it because you did not want to be as suspect. We was going to go to LSPD where I was going to search your van and release you with compensation, but your fate was anger and "I DONT WANT TO RP" attitude.
If your going to brick wall this conversation I'm out of this topic.
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If you have questions like that - you can post it in topic questions to developers...
Also I suggest you before posting questions read that topic as you may find there the answers on your questions...
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The answer to this is already in "Ask the developers", however I will answer it here as well, for those who do not wish to read.
When reading this situation, I see the cop is making a vital mistake. Making a traffic stop, no problem. Asking someone to step out of the car, no problem. Wanting to create RP by telling you believe he is a bank robber, no problem. Using the /su command.... BIG MISTAKE.
You did not give the player a choice to enter in the RP or not. If you had continued the scenario without the /su command, by the reaction you got you could have understood if the player wanted to play along, or if he wished to end it, and you could act accordingly.
By using the /su command, you stopped the player from having this option. If he would not follow you, he would be chased by others until he died or was jailed. If he would follow you, you would have control over the situation because of him being a suspect. That is why you were forcing RP in this case.
As for criminals giving up, they do have the right not to have to waste time on lengthy investigation procedures. However they do not have the right to determine their jail time.
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As for criminals giving up, they do have the right not to have to waste time on lengthy investigation procedures. However they do not have the right to determine their jail time.
Since you're here already :razz:
One small question...
What if, you give up at San Fierro for beeing jailed fast and keep your life calmly and in peace.
The cop cuffs you and go to Fort Carson to jail you.
After all, you wasted your time both ways.
If a suspect lives and operates in SF, can't he choose to be jailed in local Police Department?
Regards.
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Since you're here already :razz:
One small question...
What if, you give up at San Fierro for beeing jailed fast and keep your life calmly and in peace.
The cop cuffs you and go to Fort Carson to jail you.
After all, you wasted your time both ways.
If a suspect lives and operates in SF, can't he choose to be jailed in local Police Department?
Regards.
I see no reason what so ever for cops to drag you across half the map, and I would like to make a requirement from ARPD that in such cases cops are obliged to wait until the jail time is done (serving you some coffee and pizza) and return the suspects to their home after jailing.
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I see no reason what so ever for cops to drag you across half the map, and I would like to make a requirement from ARPD that in such cases cops are obliged to wait until the jail time is done (serving you some coffee and pizza) and return the suspects to their home after jailing.
:D
Cops likes to screw up with suspects... They jail us at Mordor, taking all State cars away :D
Reason: For fun.
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Lol once some cops took me to some jail in a very small desert town el querbados or something when I gave up in market,LS.....and all 3 of them were lt. plus and 2 were admins :rofl: then removed all cars from the town, then I got a car from somwhere a bit far from the town and was going back to LS where I saw in the middle of my journey that they had drowned their car mistakenly and were abandoned in middle of a county still I gave them a ride and they then apologized to me xD :lol:
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Lol once some cops took me to some jail in a very small desert town el querbados or something when I gave up in market,LS.....and all 3 of them were lt. plus and 2 were admins :rofl: then removed all cars from the town, then I got a car from somwhere a bit far from the town and was going back to LS where I saw in the middle of my journey that they had drowned their car mistakenly and were abandoned in middle of a county still I gave them a ride and they then apologized to me xD :lol:
What goes around, comes around.
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What goes around, comes around.
TRU TRU ;)
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I agree with Curse here, If you dont want to RP why you are here? Just to drive around ? You got a freeroam server !. To make stunts with NRG ? You got Argonath Stunt Server ? To kill cops ? You got Paruni ? You want to rp ? You got Argonath RPG , seriously Argonath starts to looks like an freeroam server when everyone do what they want...
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Argonath will and have always been an little bit of freeroam.
It was so in mta:vc, the problem is that we did not moan in the same grade and ammount as SA:MP.
Terms like forced RP and OOC and IC did not exsist at the time. This is why I belivie it was brought in by some players from another server.
In wich form I see as imitating.
Time after time I see arguments as "But there are more players, more moan is expected".
Does that give players the right to moan some more? The problem is mainly that Argonath RPG was built from mta:vc, not the other way around. Therefor, most SA:MP players will really never understand what Argonath RPG's original vision is. I can assure you all it did not include terms such as:
Meta/powergaming, OOC IC, Forced RP, Moan and Scamming.
IRL RPG was introduced by other players aswell, did not exsist (or in an limited way) in mta:vc.
There's also an higher desire for money because there are more scripted things and such "icing on the cake" functions in SA:MP. This ruins the balance.
I count money and scripts + animations are the mere icing on the cake, it's cool to have it. But the main word I go by is FUN.
Go ahead and call argonath an "omfgs unserious rpg server. Damn freeroam shit". But you know what? We had MORE fun that way in mta:vc, we could roleplay something for maybe 10 min or more. When finished. We did small roleplays here and there, and had fun inbetween them.
"But lol OOC IC was not needed because there was fever players on mta:vc as the same time, and the mainchat would be spammed".
/L /S and /W solves the problem of that. Must you OOC and IC because of that?
GTA was never aimed at the complete IRL concept anyways. Jetpacks? Finding weapons on the ground suddenly? Not really IRL in my opinion.
I have been to other servers with the oh-so called IRL RPG. With your OOC and IC shit. Trust me, I got no help at all. I could not enter cars. I could do jack shit except running around. There was like 50 different commands for doing simple things like /me is picking up this stone. Rules stretching 5 pages for simple things of what NOT to do. I saw like 40 players standing in same spot doing NOTHING! Dead silence while the cops there was scamming them for all they was worth...
I will not OOC with brackets, And I will not IC with brackets, I will not OOC IC at all with those terms. I do not need it. Uneccesary bullshit. There was an reason why such people joined Argonath RPG, they saw there was more freedom for once. And not the jail-enviroment that is so common on other RPG servers.
You can go around IC and OOC and "shit in my pants and choose an random number". I will keep myself to the Original vision we had. Wich was FUN, /me /su /jail and an simple rulepage not stretching 5 meters in length... That's all I need to roleplay, the rest is using the brain you got and use your creative mind.
I liked the suggestion some other player had. Send all those moaners an "ZOMG IRL RPG" to mta:vc boot camp, maybe then you will see what the original vision was and still is.
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/thread. And let that be a lesson to all of you moaners on the lack of RP.
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Think about this;
If you say getting arrested as suspects is forced RP, then why you roleplay getting suspected? If you do not wish to take part in any roleplay situation, then don't get suspected and follow the laws.
Else, enjoy being suspected and keep it fun for yourself AND for the people playing with you (in this case, the officers.)
No fun in suspects shooting cops or the other way around, no fun in that.
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Think about this;
If you say getting arrested as suspects is forced RP, then why you roleplay getting suspected? If you do not wish to take part in any roleplay situation, then don't get suspected and follow the laws.
Else, enjoy being suspected and keep it fun for yourself AND for the people playing with you (in this case, the officers.)
No fun in suspects shooting cops or the other way around, no fun in that.
You must have mis-understood. Forced RP is not breaking a la and acop suspecting you, but a cop suspecting you, in a way... Like If i Pull you over, and say ''You look like a murderer who escaped yesterday..'' /su RyanC Possible escaped murderer | You now have TWO choices: Evade, making your suspection also evasion, and will end with you in jail or dead, OR you can come to PD and have your time wasted over something you didn't do. - Both ways you end up losing. THAT is forced Roleplay, not suspecting someone because they DID break a law, like you thought we were talking about.
Gandalf already answered this Ryan and if you don't understand what I'm saying you can read his description, he made it much clearer.
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Caution in advance - I didn't read every post in the topic.
I do agree with everything that Gird3r said though.
I will (re)start by opening a health discussion for the so called "No RP rule" which I hear so much about.
I personally do not understand it and feel it is not as simple as it looks, and something should be done about said rule to make it much more clearer / to remove it all together as I think it's a barrier to spontaneous RP.
I agree with Curse here, If you dont want to RP why you are here? Just to drive around ? You got a freeroam server !. To make stunts with NRG ? You got Argonath Stunt Server ? To kill cops ? You got Paruni ? You want to rp ? You got Argonath RPG , seriously Argonath starts to looks like an freeroam server when everyone do what they want...
Read this.
Argonath RPG was founded in 2006 with a clear target.
The founders were upset with the community they left because of how people treated each other, and how there was a lack of recognition from the administration for the efforts of new players and those who were not in the favour of leaders.
There for it was decided to create a new community that would be open to all people, and where new players were treated same as regulars and veterans. With a new community this was not a problem, as everyone was new and the only veterans were the main leaders.
With the growth of the community over the years, there have been a number of players who do not know about the origins of our community, and the goals that were set when creating it. As a result, there has been a clash between people who feel that they are entitled because of being regulars and the goals and ideas of the owners and developers.
To clarify this, we present our vision.
1. Argonath was, is, and will always be a community that should be friendly to new people. We will continue to be a breeding ground for new people to discover the fun of playing by imagination. This is what has brought us official status and creates a regular flow of new players in to our server, keeping the community alive and feeding it.
2. Argonath gives equal rights to new, experienced and admin players. We do not discriminate between players, and having admin rights or being a long time player does not give any of our players rights to act as better, higher or having more status as another.
3. Argonath does not offer privileges against payment. The equal status prohibits any possibility of payment for extra possibilities, rights or money in game.
4. Argonath strives to keep rules simple and understandable. Our community was created as free RP, based on imagination and creativity. We will not ever support it changing in to a jungle of rules that are impossible to understand, follow and adhere to. Our rules will remain the minimal needed to stop players who wish to disturb the fun in playing from doing so, not more and not less.
5. Argonath leaders will accept new rules and scripts only if they fit the vision. If any suggestion is limiting the possibility to play for new players, strives to give advantage to more experienced players, or creates a more complex rule that would make it hard to understand or follow, it will be rejected, regardless of how much support there is from the community
6. Argonath players are, regardless of point 5, free to implement within their group or play guidelines and habits of playing. However they are not allowed to force people outside their group to use the same rules, resort to flaming, insulting, or trying to excluse players who do not play by non-official group rules.
7. Argonath administration team will devote their time primarily to keep players following the guidelines. They apply for this knowingly, and will be given rights and levels according to their devotion, ability to help out others and follow the guidelines given to them. Admin rights shall never be given as reward or to show status. Promotions in the admin team will be based on the perception of the developers and main admins, and shall not be given based on seniority. If at any time admins feel not able to continue their devotion to admin guidelines, they are invited to resign. Resigning from admin rights or losing them should not reflect on the players status or recognition as valuable member of the community.
8. Argonath recognizes that a part of the community is underage. There for the following shall be prohibited:
a. Swearing, flaming and insulting. Within roleplay this is allowed very limited and strictly bound to the situation. If there is any doubt about the slang/language used is for ropleplay only, administration has full right to take any measures they find necessary.
b. Promotion of usage of alcohol, drugs and other stimulating substances. We respect the freedom of choice, however people should be respecting that others who have different beliefs and choices have this right as well
c. Explicit sexual content. While within roleplay and discussion a certain freedom is granted, the underage community should be protected from eplicit sexual actions or content.
d. Cyberharrasment, stalking and bullying of players based on their belief, views, race or choices in life.
9. Argonath bases its community on respect and friendship between players of all nations. This means that those who feel that they are allowed to disrespect others, consider others as inferior or treat them as such will be offered the choice to either change their views or leave the community. This includes any groups of players in game.
10. Argonath will remain as open, friendly and strong community for people worldwide who wish to enjoy playing a game based on imagination and creativity.
I hope everyone will take the time to read this, and take this as their core values.
This is the Argonath Vision, which is supposed to stand as the guideline for every Argonath player.
If anyone does not like it then no one stops them from leaving.
The removal of the "no forcing RP" rule means people will be allowed to force RP. In the case of suspection, unless the command is misused by the cop (i.e: preying on AFK / innocent people), it is the suspect who enters into an RP by creating a reason for the cops to suspect them.
Unless this topic is not about removal of "no forcing RP" rule?
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Argonath will and have always been an little bit of freeroam.
~big text~
Well said! +1
You must have mis-understood. Forced RP is not breaking a la and acop suspecting you, but a cop suspecting you, in a way... Like If i Pull you over, and say ''You look like a murderer who escaped yesterday..'' /su RyanC Possible escaped murderer | You now have TWO choices: Evade, making your suspection also evasion, and will end with you in jail or dead, OR you can come to PD and have your time wasted over something you didn't do. - Both ways you end up losing. THAT is forced Roleplay, not suspecting someone because they DID break a law, like you thought we were talking about.
Gandalf already answered this Ryan and if you don't understand what I'm saying you can read his description, he made it much clearer.
No, you don't understand him. And I don't fully understand what you wrote.. Maybe write a little better?
To the point. Ryan was not talking about getting suspected for the reason you stated. But getting suspected for shooting or something (which is a crime, unlike the suspecting reason you stated). The scene you were talking about, was an abusive suspection. Ryan was not talking about such suspections.
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I would also like to see that admins start becoming an bit harder in punishing.
We did not sit by and watch as some regulars dming. Did you dm as an regular even ONCE! Well.. things did not look bright.
We kicked regulars who was intetnionally deathmatching, no warn here. Straight kick.
Especially if they killed an new player. I'm not going to blame all admins in SA:MP, but some of you need to start taking those gloves off and protect Argonath, especially our new players. Yes that includes scamming the new players since I see no fucking reason why an common regular should have the right to ruin another new players game here in Argonath RPG by scamming them.
And logically, those new players that did get scammed will usually be the ones who ask for money all the time in mainchat. SO use your logic and start punishing regulars who scam new players. That way we also get less begging in the mainchat. Common sense.
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Think about this;
If you say getting arrested as suspects is forced RP, then why you roleplay getting suspected? If you do not wish to take part in any roleplay situation, then don't get suspected and follow the laws.
Else, enjoy being suspected and keep it fun for yourself AND for the people playing with you (in this case, the officers.)
No fun in suspects shooting cops or the other way around, no fun in that.
THIS +1
If you're a suspect who has killed so many cops repeatedly doing crimes. If I arrest you you're going straight to mordor or getting an execution. I hate it when they play the "OMG YOU CAn't FORCERPMAN" card. If you become a suspect and kill cops expect the harsh treatment.
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Well said! +1
No, you don't understand him. And I don't fully understand what you wrote.. Maybe write a little better?
To the point. Ryan was not talking about getting suspected for the reason you stated. But getting suspected for shooting or something (which is a crime, unlike the suspecting reason you stated). The scene you were talking about, was an abusive suspection. Ryan was not talking about such suspections.
I do not understand you :lol:, What I read is that Ryan said was that people shouldn't say 'Forced RP' for being arrested, and we were talking about cop Pulling one over and infering he is a bank robber or something, so he suspects him for 'Possible Bank robber' - Suspect is now in a lose lose situation.. he can't evade or run away because his crime will become valid (evasion), and if he stays and does what the cop says he could still get framed and sent to jail and or Have to have his time wasted on an interrogation, and lets say the player was trying to go some place and did not have much time, Cop has no right to force him as a suspect and leaving him 2 lose-lose options... Sure, he can pull; him over like a traffic stop, but not forcing him into a suspect roleplay.
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I would also like to see that admins start becoming an bit harder in punishing.
We did not sit by and watch as some regulars dming. Did you dm as an regular even ONCE! Well.. things did not look bright.
We kicked regulars who was intetnionally deathmatching, no warn here. Straight kick.
Especially if they killed an new player. I'm not going to blame all admins in SA:MP, but some of you need to start taking those gloves off and protect Argonath, especially our new players. Yes that includes scamming the new players since I see no f**king reason why an common regular should have the right to ruin another new players game here in Argonath RPG by scamming them.
And logically, those new players that did get scammed will usually be the ones who ask for money all the time in mainchat. SO use your logic and start punishing regulars who scam new players. That way we also get less begging in the mainchat. Common sense.
Scamming a new player is a STRAIGHT BAN in SA:MP. I don't know where you're hearing all of this shit about SA:MP admins not kicking it up for new players, but wherever you heard it or whoever you heard it from, are full of shit.
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Scamming a new player is a STRAIGHT BAN in SA:MP. I don't know where you're hearing all of this shit about SA:MP admins not kicking it up for new players, but wherever you heard it or whoever you heard it from, are full of shit.
agreed, new players get it so good compared to the regulars alot of the time...
Newbie vs Regular
New player Kills Regular
Regular /report New Player DMing
admin "has a talk" with New player
New Player gets second chance
New Player continues DM
Different Admin has talk with same Newbie
And repeat
Regular vs Newbie
Regular Defends himself from DMing new player and announces "stop" repeatedly
Admin freezes Regular
New player Kills Regular
Regular gets kick/tempban for DMing new player
OWNED
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then /gu...You agree to face the punishment for your crimes, be it mordor or prison for 30 seconds...
> implying mordor is something suspects can be forced to go to
> implying I wouldn't just force a crash if someone tried to make me go there instead of /jail
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See this is the problem though with forced-roleplay versus none forced-roleplay. I, for example, sometimes in a rush and try not to roleplay as much because I need to arrive at the destination. Yet, when I get pulled over, I try to be nice about it and roleplay if the cop seeks to roleplay rather just give out citations.
Part of the reason of what makes Argonath unique is the roleplay versus no roleplay which both are allowed. If one chooses to roleplay, they should roleplay rather then, "OMG I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!". Sometimes, I get myself in sticky situations where I get robbed, most of the time I hand some cash over and make sure the people who are robbing me that they don't kill me. After they leave, I try to still remain in the roleplay situation and call the police (if the phone isn't taken away, that is).
Either way, one party will not still not happy. We can NEVER make everyone happy, there will always be someone who will be against something, welcome to Argonath RPG, a world of it's own. :)
By the way Curse, good debate question. :)
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agreed, new players get it so good compared to the regulars alot of the time...
Newbie vs Regular
New player Kills Regular
Regular /report New Player DMing
admin "has a talk" with New player
New Player gets second chance
New Player continues DM
Different Admin has talk with same Newbie
And repeat
Regular vs Newbie
Regular Defends himself from DMing new player and announces "stop" repeatedly
Admin freezes Regular
New player Kills Regular
Regular gets kick/tempban for DMing new player
OWNED
New players might not yet know all rules.
As for second example... if the regular is frozen he can not be killed. Stop fake accusations.
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1. Those who say "Argonath is a freeroam server" - have no idea what is Freeroam...
Freeroam style accepts all types of game mode: DM, RPG, Stunt, etc ("do whatever you want")
Argonath does NOT accept Deathmatch... This statement is in rules, in admins laws and this is exactly why you report "dminger"...
So its funny how you report a "dminger" and the same time accuse Argonath being a freefoam mode server, cos in that case you are not logical either in reporting (why moan about dmer if it is freeroam?) or in accusations (why say its freeroam, if you know it is not?)... As admins have the clear law to punish the deathmatch there stays only two reasons - fake accusations against Argonath RPG or lack of knowledges what is freeroam?... If lack of knowledges, then why arguing and accuse?
2. Now about forced RP...
What is forced RP? where are the limits and boards of this action? On that questions there is one rule answer - respect other players...
What I mean?
Example not long time ago, when cop arrested two gvardia guys in SF and wanted to jail them in Dillimore... Passing.... SFPD... Crime? No... But... Players asked to jail them in SFPD, instead of going to DPD... And when cop did not stop, they left the car and went to SFPD... What did cop? Aimed a gun and demanded to get into his car to follow to Dillimore (all this accident was taking place... infron of the SFPD doors)... I warned a cop for his actions... Why? Forced RP...
In this case you can see that players did not want to follow to DPD but they did not refuse to be jailed... They live in San Fiero, they got arrested there, their mafia has a HQ there, they were passing SFPD which is much closer then DPD... Why not to respect their wish and not to finish jail in SFPD? Its clearly they wanted to finish it and not to continue a roleplay situation... And it is also did not offend the work of policeman...
Some of you will say - policeman is right... others will support my point of view... But the boards of forcing RP are not that clear... Because in this situation both sides can accuse each other in forcing...
Policeman - cos he wanted to jail them exact in DPD, gvardia criminals - cos they wanted to be jailed exact in SFPD...
Where are the limits and boards of rule? Simple - respect players and their time as well... If they do not brake the general rules (running after giving up, etc.) why not to take the decision which can fit both and not being stubborn?
The same position in the situation when suspect agrees to be jailed only in Mordor... If police department is not agree and puts you to the nearest department - why being a stubborn and demand the prison roleplay situation with the cops who do not want it?
Your problem, guys: you demand from other guys more then you demand from yourselves... No... I would say other way: your demands are the problem... As soon as you start demand from other player anything - comes the fight or scandal... Do not do that... there are rules, there is a team which judges according to rules, leave it to them... Otherwise you are acting like admins with no admins powers... You demand something, you do not get it... What is the next step? Correct - reporting to admin, if admin is not reacting - reporting the admin, if that also did not get an action - you start accusing Argonath, owners and the community, crying about how was nice one year ago...
What can prove my words? Simple thing... You did not have demands one year ago... And you liked the community and Argonath itself...
3. Admin does not react on report about newbie deathmatcher
Admin should NOT punish players just because they got a report on them... He must check out if the report was CORRECT... It is not a surprise that many of sa:mp players use reports for own personal dislikes and are trying to "punish" their personal offender...
If admin kicks/bans players with not seeing the rule broken and only on your report - you can tell me which admins are doing it and i will finish such practice very fast...
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Regulars already know the rules of the server and have no right to break them, and any such seen from them is considered to be deliberate, which is why they we punish them harsher.
New players, on the other hand, have yet to learn. You never know, the freecop you requested copbanned yesterday could be the greatest Chief the ARPD has ever known 2 years from now.
As for above post, I hope people will understand it rather than just read it.
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Regulars already know the rules of the server
No single player on this entire server knows every rule, there are so many unspoken and unwritten rules that admins punish for seemingly out of the blue, and also random exceptions to the written rules (the exceptions themselves not actually being written anywhere).
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No single player on this entire server knows every rule, there are so many unspoken and unwritten rules that admins punish for seemingly out of the blue, and also random exceptions to the written rules (the exceptions themselves not actually being written anywhere).
Please give examples or stop spreading bullshit.
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No single player on this entire server knows every rule, there are so many unspoken and unwritten rules that admins punish for seemingly out of the blue, and also random exceptions to the written rules (the exceptions themselves not actually being written anywhere).
Yeah, I was doing exception... I went to Gvardia and asked thenm to give back the HQ to Araatus, which Araatus lost amazingly stupid... Araatus fucked up, came to cry to my MSN, and I did my best to solve this shit...
If I would know that Araatus were, are and will be just fucking fart around on Argonath, I would not even move a finger...
Araatus always were farting on Argonath the same time kissing asses to me and Gandalf... Strange I did not lock them after first bullshit against us...
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Argonath is a Unique server, it gives you MANY things other servers DON'T !!
1- Main chat. NOANY Zomg l33t RP servers have a main chat, where you can talk to the whole server.
2- Free RP. Every other server forces rules that no one can follow... banned players there reach their MAXIMUM, cause of stupid rules like "NO METAGAMING" ... I got jailed for 120 minutes in a server for saying a guy's name ICly without knowing his name ... What kind of sick, closed-box-like server is that ?
3- Friends. This server helps you find friends you can talk to all the time ... I have most of my SA:MP friends on Argonath, actually ... ALL OF THEM !
4- Free choice of names. Argonath lets you choose any name you like ... ( except no numerical names ofc ) Almost ALL other RP servers force the FirstName_LastName formula...
CONCLUSION :
ARGONATH> OTHER SERVERS
( See how small other servers are comparing to Argonath ? that shows you how unique and great the server is )
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Yeah, I was doing exception... I went to Gvardia and asked thenm to give back the HQ to Araatus, which Araatus lost amazingly stupid... Araatus f**ked up, came to cry to my MSN, and I did my best to solve this shit...
If I would know that Araatus were, are and will be just f**king fart around on Argonath, I would not even move a finger...
Araatus always were farting on Argonath the same time kissing asses to me and Gandalf... Strange I did not lock them after first bullshit against us...
We may be "farting on Argonath" as you so elegantly put it, but I don't ever recall us kissing anyone's ass.
Farting generally happens around something shitty.
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We may be "farting on Argonath" as you so elegantly put it, but I don't ever recall us kissing anyone's ass.
Farting generally happens around something shitty.
Farting generally comes before shitting, not around something shitty, mein lieben Arratus... As usually Araatus shit was coming random, I called it "farting"...
You did not like that I straighted the facts? Then how should feel those whom you accused in asskissing here? Probably the same offended as you are now...
Aragorn was keeping silence, everyone watches only Araatus shit against Argonath... Cooool, yeaa? No... Its not... Kissed my ass - either stop accusing others in ass kissing or be opened till the end...
Araatus do not like Argonath, its policy, some are banned (leader for example) - why you all still come here and shit? Nothing to do? Or on other zomg servers you were banned in the first minute?
:ps: For me no matter who kisses which ass, do it or not... I do not even waste my life and relations with people on this... That is more for kids who have no any points and just run around farting and shitting... So consider it as "alaverdi" - answer toast (those who drink a lot probably know this Asian tradition)
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Erm Suspsect should respect the fact cops want to RP.
Both parties should RP.
RP first.
RP second.
RP only.
Sorry to brake the words down, but infact... Argonath isn't a "serious rp server" as it is better known as today.. But a community with a large amount of great guys, RP'ers, chitchatters, friendly guys just wanna talk... Like we got it all, included the trolls and so on and so on... But seriously, I would never want that to change, and (hopefully) it won't either. As Gandalf said; "Maybe srs rp should become more like Argo" as a reply to "Maybe Argo should becomre more like srs rp".
This is a community for friendship imo, still a nice plays to execute some awesome RP too, though.
Yeah, I was doing exception... I went to Gvardia and asked thenm to give back the HQ to Araatus, which Araatus lost amazingly stupid... Araatus f**ked up, came to cry to my MSN, and I did my best to solve this shit...
If I would know that Araatus were, are and will be just f**king fart around on Argonath, I would not even move a finger...
Araatus always were farting on Argonath the same time kissing asses to me and Gandalf... Strange I did not lock them after first bullshit against us...
lol :lol: - I'm liking your humour better and better :razz:
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New players might not yet know all rules.
As for second example... if the regular is frozen he can not be killed. Stop fake accusations.
"New players might not yet know all rules."
well, that's what the rules screen is for on login ... its just unfair that they get a second chance if they don't read the rules on login/register
"As for second example... if the regular is frozen he can not be killed. Stop fake accusations."
no i meant that regular gets frozen...
andTHEN (after unfreeze) new player kills regular
and regular gets blamed for DM
i personally have been frozen for someone beating me up and i try to stop them before i die
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Do you think the new players have any idea to pay attention to the chat screen where the rules will appear ? Obviously not as they have no idea that they would appear at there, also there's a chance that ppl are having a discussion in the chat and the rules will dissapear after some seconds.
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Do you think the new players have any idea to pay attention to the chat screen where the rules will appear ? Obviously not as they have no idea that they would appear at there, also there's a chance that ppl are having a discussion in the chat and the rules will dissapear after some seconds.
solution, show the /rules dialog box when someone registers
if they break a rule then, warn them "read /rules"
if they keep doing it, kick/ban their ass
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Scamming a new player is a STRAIGHT BAN in SA:MP. I don't know where you're hearing all of this shit about SA:MP admins not kicking it up for new players, but wherever you heard it or whoever you heard it from, are full of shit.
It is? Then I'm glad to hear that. Thanks for the info.
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"New players might not yet know all rules."
well, that's what the rules screen is for on login ... its just unfair that they get a second chance if they don't read the rules on login/register
Seriously...
Most of them just press "OK" and keep playing. They may read it all, but I doubt they'd really remember.
Our mission is to help them understanding all rules - remember, most of them doesn't even understand english correctly.
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1. Those who say "Argonath is a freeroam server" - have no idea what is Freeroam...
Freeroam style accepts all types of game mode: DM, RPG, Stunt, etc ("do whatever you want")
Argonath does NOT accept Deathmatch... This statement is in rules, in admins laws and this is exactly why you report "dminger"...
So its funny how you report a "dminger" and the same time accuse Argonath being a freefoam mode server, cos in that case you are not logical either in reporting (why moan about dmer if it is freeroam?) or in accusations (why say its freeroam, if you know it is not?)... As admins have the clear law to punish the deathmatch there stays only two reasons - fake accusations against Argonath RPG or lack of knowledges what is freeroam?... If lack of knowledges, then why arguing and accuse?
I hope you did not include my post on there, because what I meant with "an little bit of freeroam" is the fact that you do not have to be an ZOMG irl rpg player. What I meant was there is more freedom on the RP. I have never accepted deathmatching and never will.
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"As for second example... if the regular is frozen he can not be killed. Stop fake accusations."
no i meant that regular gets frozen...
andTHEN (after unfreeze) new player kills regular
and regular gets blamed for DM
i personally have been frozen for someone beating me up and i try to stop them before i die
Bullshit... If admin unfreezes player, he is in the scene of it, and he will not let the guy who attacked you after you being unfrozen to go unpunished... There was no any case with such thing...
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Dan_the_noob
You, me, all were new player before.. did we really pay attention to rules our first login (all be honest) - no. For many reasons, a likely one is the person just wants to try the server to see if its something they enjoy - for instance, lets say a Server called 'Best Server ever!', there are MANY words just to read in the rules, including sometimes things like the boxes having many words, what if the player ends up not liking the server? He wastes so much time trying to understand rules and didn't even like the server... now back to the topic of new players 'getting off easy' - Whats the problem with that? New players, EVEN if they read the rules 1000 times, they might not understand it, like, how do they know what 'deathmatch' or something like 'powergame' if they never heard the term before, reading it a 1000 times does not help understand the word. For example... i was teaching new player once, about 15-20 minutes into the server, i am driving him around showing him things, he pulls gun and goes to DB position in car, and shoots someone saying 'DIE MOTHERFUCKER!!!'... I told him thats not allowed and he said 'sorry i wasn't sure what it meant', refering to deathmatching.
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Dan_the_noob
You, me, all were new player before.. did we really pay attention to rules our first login (all be honest) - no. For many reasons, a likely one is the person just wants to try the server to see if its something they enjoy - for instance, lets say a Server called 'Best Server ever!', there are MANY words just to read in the rules, including sometimes things like the boxes having many words, what if the player ends up not liking the server? He wastes so much time trying to understand rules and didn't even like the server... now back to the topic of new players 'getting off easy' - Whats the problem with that? New players, EVEN if they read the rules 1000 times, they might not understand it, like, how do they know what 'deathmatch' or something like 'powergame' if they never heard the term before, reading it a 1000 times does not help understand the word. For example... i was teaching new player once, about 15-20 minutes into the server, i am driving him around showing him things, he pulls gun and goes to DB position in car, and shoots someone saying 'DIE MOTHERf**kER!!!'... I told him thats not allowed and he said 'sorry i wasn't sure what it meant', refering to deathmatching.
i can read "RPG" meaning role play game
which is in the server name... its not Argonath Kill'em'all or something
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Not everyone knows what RPG stands for.
Clearly, you seem to think that new players should understand everything as soon as they press connect.
Yes it's not "Argonath Kill'em'all". Does "Argonath RPG" instantly tell any new player that "Oh this is an roleplay server, and you do this and that".
Don't bullshit, how can possible an newly registered player tell all the OFFICIAL (Does not include OOC IC or other self-invented server rules) rules by looking at the name?
I have been frozen on stunt server for example, the attacking player got punished.
But back on your statement.
Dan, if I throw an word or term at you that you do not know, are you able to instantly tell what it is?
The answer will likely be "no".
You cannot in hell know an term or word or something of knowledge if you have never learned of what it is. Impossible.
Some players who register might know what it is. But the majority of them will likely not know what it is.
I can assure you, I did not know what "RPG" meant the first time I logged in on an certain mta:vc server back in 2005. And I assure you many do not know ethier.
Also, another statement you did earlier:
"Unfair they get an second chance".
In an game, you usually get second chances. And don't bullshit and tell something flawed such as: "Well if they die IRL they don't really get an second chance". Since there's an big difference between an game and IRL.
More is expected from the regular player WHO knows the rules and understand them, really. Is it even logical to "ZOMG HE BROKE AN RULE INSTAKICK!" on an new player?
I suggsest you think this trough, if you still insist on your babysitting bullshit "Omg it's so unfair", then I do dearly hope you never reach an admin position or something with such an responsibility unless you are willing to understand and accept the fact that people cannot know everything.
P.S Regulars do also get second chances depending on situation D.S
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i can read "RPG" meaning role play game
which is in the server name... its not Argonath Kill'em'all or something
Did you not understand what i said? I stated that new players may not understand the rules or meaning to be on the server or what to do when they first join... why do you have such a bone to pick with new players?
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Dan, if the server was what you want it to be, according to what I have read from your posts:
- More than half the server won't be here today, from regulars up to some senior admins... and where will they be? Banned simply because admins team did not tolerate new players.
- Argonath won't be the successful community it is today. Why? Because of such closed-minded rules. New players are not expected to act professionally immediately, they are here to learn. Admins already know how to take care of them if they don't.
- Admins are here to teach new players as well, other than enforcing server rules. We are not an anti-newplayer task force, our purpose is in fact the opposite... as stated above, we also take care of those who refuse to be guided.
So stop using a closed-minded mentality on new players... in fact, you are a new player compared to the veterans in this community. How will you feel if all of us did the same thing to you?
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So stop using a closed-minded mentality on new players... in fact, you are a new player compared to the veterans in this community. How will you feel if all of us did the same thing to you?
did you just ask how i would feel if you let me off for driveby as driver and deathmatching??
i feel left out lol :D
but anyways... my point is new players need some kind of rule/teaching segment when they start like i said earlier, maybe put the /rules up on login, or just "Do not shoot players without a reason"
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New players need a friendly welcome... Not a rule putting in their nose before they made a step...
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did you just ask how i would feel if you let me off for driveby as driver and deathmatching??
i feel left out lol :D
but anyways... my point is new players need some kind of rule/teaching segment when they start like i said earlier, maybe put the /rules up on login, or just "Do not shoot players without a reason"
You can do it by yourself...
"newplayer085 has just registred". You go there and help him, learn them how to use local commands, to buy clothes... Then when they're almost familiarized with Argonath, you explain him the rules...etc.
Be honest, if you're new to SA:MP, connect a server and they wont let you play until you've read and understood all their rules, would you read all those rules...or would you /q and find a more simple server?
If it wasn't Akselbaba doing the procedure above^. I'd probably be not playing here today...
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You can do it by yourself...
"newplayer085 has just registred". You go there and help him, learn them how to use local commands, to buy clothes... Then when they're almost familiarized with Argonath, you explain him the rules...etc.
Be honest, if you're new to SA:MP, connect a server and they wont let you play until you've read and understood all their rules, would you read all those rules...or would you /q and find a more simple server?
If it wasn't Akselbaba doing the procedure above^. I'd probably be not playing here today...
well you guys can do that, everytime i go to LSAP to try help new players, guess what... carjack... car is locked, so they punch me and knock me over, then im dead.. i lose all my guns(i always carry just incase)
so no... i won't help anyone apart from /hduty
OHHH could we at least put "if you have any questions use /ask" ??
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If i recall correctly when you register a new account a player receives information regarding /ask
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If i recall correctly when you register a new account a player receives information regarding /ask
yea but it is mixed in with the rules/chat i mean have it as a big message, in the corner of the screen or a help window (same type of window as tutorials on Single Player)
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I was thinking about this "forcing to RP"
Ok, so Argonath is not strict RP server. But why cops forces us to RP? If you dont want RP and just ride around the state and you speeding ofcource, you can be suspected... Why? Why you cant say to cop "I dont want to RP".
And you must pay the ticket for speeding or else be suspected for it, and your "ride" become evading from cops or maybe shootout.
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I was thinking about this "forcing to RP"
Ok, so Argonath is not strict RP server. But why cops forces us to RP? If you dont want RP and just ride around the state and you speeding ofcource, you can be suspected... Why? Why you cant say to cop "I dont want to RP".
And you must pay the ticket for speeding or else be suspected for it, and your "ride" become evading from cops or maybe shootout.
buy a combat, give them a real reason to chase you O-o
as long as cops can /sus there will ALWAYS be forced RP or DMers
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buy a combat, give them a real reason to chase you O-o
as long as cops can /sus there will ALWAYS be forced RP or DMers
You putting this whole thing on cops ?
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You putting this whole thing on cops ?
what?? no.. my point is.. /sus = Force RP no matter how you look at it.. but the servers "no forced RP" rule mainly only applies to things like traffic stops etc... speeding/wreckless are forced RP in a sense, but they are necesary compared to say
"pull over"
*3 minute chat*
"ticket costs $250"
"i dont have $250"
*cop /sus* ...
THAT would be forced RP in my opinion as they are forcing you to have money you don't have or don't feel the need to pay
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what?? no.. my point is.. /sus = Force RP no matter how you look at it.. but the servers "no forced RP" rule mainly only applies to things like traffic stops etc... speeding/wreckless are forced RP in a sense, but they are necesary compared to say
"pull over"
*3 minute chat*
"ticket costs $250"
"i dont have $250"
*cop /sus* ...
THAT would be forced RP in my opinion as they are forcing you to have money you don't have or don't feel the need to pay
But, if you think about it, if people don't have money on them for a ticket, they go straight to the PD ... and honestly, I never hear people moaning about this sort of thing ( since people almost moan about anything ).
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Why even consistantly bring up these topics.
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well you guys can do that, everytime i go to LSAP to try help new players, guess what... carjack... car is locked, so they punch me and knock me over, then im dead.. i lose all my guns(i always carry just incase)
so no... i won't help anyone apart from /hduty
OHHH could we at least put "if you have any questions use /ask" ??
Like everyone else... Most of them don't know the gaming mode, and first thing to do is to attack the first mo'fo'ka they see :).
PRO TIP: /hail, /L hey man, we're friends, please don't attack me!
If you're going to "help" a newcommer, you've the knowledge that you might:
- Get attacked.
- Carjacked
- Insulted
- Killed brutally
- And etcs...
If you can't lose some guns, don't try helping new players then ... But attention: You don't help them, you can NOT complain about them :)
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I was thinking about this "forcing to RP"
Ok, so Argonath is not strict RP server. But why cops forces us to RP? If you dont want RP and just ride around the state and you speeding ofcource, you can be suspected... Why? Why you cant say to cop "I dont want to RP".
And you must pay the ticket for speeding or else be suspected for it, and your "ride" become evading from cops or maybe shootout.
Do not want to roleplay? then go on freeroam servers... Do not want to roleplay with cops in some scene? then do not attract their attention and do not speed...
By speeding around YOU involve cops in your "roleplay", not that cops involve you in...
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Do not want to roleplay? then go on freeroam servers... Do not want to roleplay with cops in some scene? then do not attract their attention and do not speed...
By speeding around YOU involve cops in your "roleplay", not that cops involve you in...
well said
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Do not want to roleplay? then go on freeroam servers... Do not want to roleplay with cops in some scene? then do not attract their attention and do not speed...
By speeding around YOU involve cops in your "roleplay", not that cops involve you in...
Oh damn... This man has now a very strong point.
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PROTIP: Don't drug deal at LSPD.
In other words, don't get caught ;)
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well said
oh really? you posted in the post right before cops will always be 'Force RPers or DMers' then you support a comment made by a play which is completely against what you said?
Dan_The_Noob - Stop being so close minded like JDC said.. every time we question you with a valid point you change what your discussing... if you do not like new players or how the server is then LEAVE - Or help the players yourself? and what you talking about new players carjacking you / dming you.. if they are report them and an admin will warn him. IF we stick a 20 minute 'start guide' into new players face he will feel uncomfortable because he has to read 10 pages of things and even if he does read it all, how would he know what it is? As my point before - Anyone can read anything over a thousand times... does not mean they will understand it. If you read 'powergaming' a 1000 times, it does not help you understand what it is... as others and myself already said, do not be so close minded, or stop posting as if all new players are bad.
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I will (re)start by opening a health discussion for the so called "No RP rule" which I hear so much about.
I personally do not understand it and feel it is not as simple as it looks, and something should be done about said rule to make it much more clearer / to remove it all together as I think it's a barrier to spontaneous RP.
I feel people are constantly bitter to each other when it comes down to RP.
For example. If a cop stops you to do a random identity search - as there is a bank robber on the lose, you should not say "OMG I DID NOTHING" if and when he suspects you and attempts to take the RP out of public - this offers great opportunities.
My Personal belief is people use this "NO FORCE RP RULE" to avoid rp which they might be scared of doing.
I think the rule should be less focussed on actual forcing of RP. In fact it should become guidelines rather then rules, it can be dealt with by players.
i got one response for this.
STFU NOOB
Moderator Comment:
- User was warned for this post.
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oh really? you posted in the post right before cops will always be 'Force RPers or DMers' then you support a comment made by a play which is completely against what you said?
Dan_The_Noob - Stop being so close minded like JDC said.. every time we question you with a valid point you change what your discussing... if you do not like new players or how the server is then LEAVE - Or help the players yourself? and what you talking about new players carjacking you / dming you.. if they are report them and an admin will warn him. IF we stick a 20 minute 'start guide' into new players face he will feel uncomfortable because he has to read 10 pages of things and even if he does read it all, how would he know what it is? As my point before - Anyone can read anything over a thousand times... does not mean they will understand it. If you read 'powergaming' a 1000 times, it does not help you understand what it is... as others and myself already said, do not be so close minded, or stop posting as if all new players are bad.
someone didn't read mine and aragorns posts properlyyyy :3
i was saying, stopping someone, for a long time for no real good reason is forced RP, where as /sus for speeding/wreckless is only forced RP in a sense, but as aragorn put it.. if we speed or wreckless WE are forcing RP on the cops.. not the other way round
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Do not want to roleplay? then go on freeroam servers... Do not want to roleplay with cops in some scene? then do not attract their attention and do not speed...
By speeding around YOU involve cops in your "roleplay", not that cops involve you in...
You can avoid RP with everyone except cop.
So, that guy who was annoying you with RP can go on duty and "RP" with you as a cop.
And please don't tell players to leave, you doing it very often.
Also, i can't understand why cops has so many advantages, now they can force you to RP.
How can you do not attract their attention, while some cops chasing you and waiting you committee crime.
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You can avoid RP with everyone except cop.
You can stop the roleplay with cops if you do not involve them in by becoming the wanted person...
If you break the rules/law it is stupid to demand cops get away from you because you do not want to roleplay... Otherwise coming a strange vision: killed someone - WTF cops are forcing me!, rammed someone - WTF cops are stalking me!, speeded as hell - WTF cops suspected me!...
Also, i can't understand why cops has so many advantages, now they can force you to RP.
Cops have more strict rules to follow (the forcing rp is one of them)... It means more actions why they can be banned... Having more reasons to be banned cannot be advantage in any of its ways...
How can you do not attract their attention, while some cops chasing you and waiting you committee crime. So, that guy who was annoying you with RP can go on duty and "RP" with you as a cop.
The guy who annoyed you does not need to become a cop to continue annoying as he was already annoying you on any other roles (according to your example)... If you have problems with some annoyer - you can report him... Admin will handle it without watching at the skins...
And please don't tell players to leave, you doing it very often.
I do not tell a players to leave... But those who do not play - yes I tell it... Secondly not your business what I tell to players, especially if you cannot see the reasons... If you have problems with that - leave...
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I do not tell a players to leave... But those who do not play - yes I tell it... Secondly not your business what I tell to players, especially if you cannot see the reasons... If you have problems with that - leave...
And again. We have discussion, I'm not trying to make my rules, I'm just asking about your rules, and if you dont want to answer-dont answer, no need to tell me to leave.
P.S. 4e tak grubo? :)
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And again. We have discussion, I'm not trying to make my rules, I'm just asking about your rules, and if you dont want to answer-dont answer, no need to tell me to leave.
P.S. 4e tak grubo? :)
When you start making up fake accusations like cops have advantage or cops force us poor speeding shooting criminals to RP and then kill us when whe surrender with 1HP, expect a strong answer.
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And again. We have discussion, I'm not trying to make my rules, I'm just asking about your rules, and if you dont want to answer-dont answer, no need to tell me to leave.
P.S. 4e tak grubo? :)
I just made your post more logical as you from nowhere started be afraid of me asking you to leave...
Now, after I helped you, you can start accusations against me... However it will not pass a long time and guess why?...
Simple as a paramecium caudatum: za bazar otvetish...
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When you start making up fake accusations like cops have advantage or cops force us poor speeding shooting criminals to RP and then kill us when whe surrender with 1HP, expect a strong answer.
I just made your post more logical as you from nowhere started be afraid of me asking you to leave...
Now, after I helped you, you can start accusations against me... However it will not pass a long time and guess why?...
Simple as a paramecium caudatum: za bazar otvetish...
we jus need gimli n legolas now :D
*LOTR music plays in distance*
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New players need a friendly welcome... Not a rule putting in their nose before they made a step...
Oh, if only my signature permitted space for more quotes. :(
Aragorn and Gandalf have very good points here... however, I can bet that majority of the community won't understand any of them fully and situation will repeat itself few weeks / months from now. :neutral:
How about making a topic with links to valuable posts that all players need to understand...
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I just made your post more logical as you from nowhere started be afraid of me asking you to leave...
Now, after I helped you, you can start accusations against me... However it will not pass a long time and guess why?...
Simple as a paramecium caudatum: za bazar otvetish...
Why should I? I'm not a troll or something, I was just interested, and didn't meant to moan, or making fake accusations.
Now you're trying to provoke me?
P.S. za slova otvechau vsegda. i ne nado mne ugrojat'.
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If you answer for your words - then learn to analyze the words of others... And nobody threats you... That was a friendly tip/hint/whatsoever...
If you came here to troll about someone whom I pointed to the door - the door for you is opened as well... Get it as a fact... Its easy...
Now back to topic...
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If you answer for your words - then learn to analyze the words of others... And nobody threats you... That was a friendly tip/hint/whatsoever...
If you came here to troll about someone whom I pointed to the door - the door for you is opened as well... Get it as a fact... Its easy...
Now back to topic...
Ok, maybe you're right, but I have opinion, but anyway lets finish this conservation.
And, anyway, it's your server.
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what was this post about again?? forced RP from cops?? etc.
i have to agree some cops are out of hand, but theres no reason to be a good cop... not sayin achievements and profiles or anything needed, but some kind of goal/reason to be good cop ...
i try not to shoot suspects unless they shoot at me... leading by example .. World famous since AGES ago.
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what was this post about again?? forced RP from cops?? etc.
i have to agree some cops are out of hand, but theres no reason to be a good cop... not sayin achievements and profiles or anything needed, but some kind of goal/reason to be good cop ...
i try not to shoot suspects unless they shoot at me... leading by example .. World famous since AGES ago.
That is what all cops should do...and if you see a colleage aiming at a non-violent suspect protect them by standing in front of them...
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That is what all cops should do...and if you see a colleage aiming at a non-violent suspect protect them by standing in front of them...
trust me, if LSPD had a limited supply of guns, it would have run out from me dying in that situation
ive even had to shoot a cop once :( (expensive fine, but fair)
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trust me, if LSPD had a limited supply of guns, it would have run out from me dying in that situation
ive even had to shoot a cop once :( (expensive fine, but fair)
But its the best way for admins to be able to copban the shooter. ;)
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ive even had to shoot a cop once :( (expensive fine, but fair)
Your monetary situation seems to be over everything else...
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But its the best way for admins to be able to copban the shooter. ;)
yea thats how i see it too... if i disarm the cop (kill) then they cant kill while admins get to it :)
still a shame it comes to that sometimes though :\
Your monetary situation seems to be over everything else...
yep ;) cant do much without money... you cant even catch a taxi :)
i bought a BMX ingame today just because i was spending more money on gas than i was actually achieving anything wit the gas
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i bought a BMX ingame today just because i was spending more money on gas than i was actually achieving anything wit the gas
We waste the money, that's why it there's money...
Why do you save it? If at the end you'll spend it anyway. No point in having cash if you're afraid to lose it... :razz:
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We waste the money, that's why it there's money...
Why do you save it? If at the end you'll spend it anyway. No point in having cash if you're afraid to lose it... :razz:
attempting to save for a business ;)
also i cruise around waiting for opportunities to make money to appear, hence the no-gas-needed bike :)
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Thaths the most dumb rule i ever see...Dont force rp is only allowed to rape.
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Thaths the most dumb rule i ever see...Dont force rp is only allowed to rape.
What?
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Never heard of asking other person OOC if he wants to roleplay a rape...Which is not allowed to do it without asking it.
I mean like Curse said people uses "Dont force rp" like a excuse, Thats life and happends IRL you cant avoid something saying "Dont force rp".
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Never heard of asking other person OOC if he wants to roleplay a rape...Which is not allowed to do it without asking it.
I mean like Curse said people uses "Dont force rp" like a excuse, Thats life and happends IRL you cant avoid something saying "Dont force rp".
I think the idea of 'omg but irl' this or 'omg DUDE u cant do that irl' arguments are stupid. Even owners said the server will never be put as a Real life RP server, and it doesn't need to be to be an RP server. Sure, there are some 'irl' factors that are also in game, but it is not a strict RL server and therefore an argument of 'omg irl' is invalid. People do not use 'Dont force RP' as an excuse - they use it to protect themself from things they do not want to do. your next argument(?): But this is an RP server so why come here to not RP? 1. When you join the server, Roleplaying is not a rule to follow, Yes, the server is made for roleplaying, but it is also a server where you can enjoy your own thing (not necessarily or even close to a 'Freeroam' server - because DM is not allowed) and maybe sometimes you come online to chat or enjoy an event... you dont have to do RP every time.
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I think the first rule that's said when you join the server (The welcome to Argonath crap), it says "Stay within the decent realms of roleplay."
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I think the first rule that's said when you join the server (The welcome to Argonath crap), it says "Stay within the decent realms of roleplay."
I have seen the argument before and It technically does not state you MUST stay in roleplay, It moreso (I think) means if your going to RP, keep it within roleplay realms.
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I think the first rule that's said when you join the server (The welcome to Argonath crap), it says "Stay within the decent realms of roleplay."
I've been mad for fucking years, absolutely years, been
over the edge for yonks, been working me buns off for bands..."
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the
most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even
if you're not mad..."
Pink Floyd, explains it ...
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I think the idea of 'omg but irl' this or 'omg DUDE u cant do that irl' arguments are stupid. Even owners said the server will never be put as a Real life RP server, and it doesn't need to be to be an RP server. Sure, there are some 'irl' factors that are also in game, but it is not a strict RL server and therefore an argument of 'omg irl' is invalid. People do not use 'Dont force RP' as an excuse - they use it to protect themself from things they do not want to do. your next argument(?): But this is an RP server so why come here to not RP? 1. When you join the server, Roleplaying is not a rule to follow, Yes, the server is made for roleplaying, but it is also a server where you can enjoy your own thing (not necessarily or even close to a 'Freeroam' server - because DM is not allowed) and maybe sometimes you come online to chat or enjoy an event... you dont have to do RP every time.
The point is people who dont wanna rp they just non rp.The problem is some people call their self RPERS but they use "Dont force rp" as excuse.
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The point is people who dont wanna rp they just non rp.The problem is some people call their self RPERS but they use "Dont force rp" as excuse.
Not an excuse... I mainly roleplay with agradable persons, not with guys like those from 4-2-4 J'bloc or something, who keeps telling you how to roleplay.
It annoys me so much: (( that's wrong, you should ask ho... )) Oh, go die in a hole.
But you are right...
"Don't force RP" is my excuse, when a guy wearing a balla skin say this:
(http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/8936/masterofrp.png)
Great rule, great rule :D
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The point is people who dont wanna rp they just non rp.The problem is some people call their self RPERS but they use "Dont force rp" as excuse.
100% correct...
There are many ways to stop the annoyer... You have cars, you have properties, you have friends, you have guns... What else you need to feel yourself well-served by server? A group of admins which will change pampers to you every time you are ****?...
I already think that server has no a decent criminal chased by police, as no decent police chases...
Do not stop, do not ask, do not suspect, do not stalk, do not shoot, ask three times to surrender, do not aim when suspect gu, do not talk in public chat, do not go into my car, it is for ARPD only not for noobish freecops like you, do not.. do not... do not...
At once comes a question: dear criminals where are your balls? Maybe its enough to cry about everything and time for a decent crime, the cool amazing chase?
Maybe its enough to accuse cops in everything?
Where are the times of demanding the lawer and online court cases? On which request was created a Prison? Who was roleplaying there, in prison and when last time?
By the demanding more rules for cops criminals do not grow big balls...
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Well atleast i maybe kill a cop i maybe kill another but on three i'll escape from them till they got me and if they got me i will not shoot i will /gu.Also about the court-prison thing,Supported and not for big crimes for every single crime except abuses
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I seriously miss the days when Argonath was teeming with roleplay. When we had roleplayers who actually had imagination and we didn't have to actually search the server for roleplay. It was always there. When criminals weren't constantly moaning about cops going "OMFG ADMIN COP ABUSE /SU ON ME HALP ME or "OMFG ADMIN COP GUNNA EXECUTE ME AFTER I /GU I WUNT HELP". Instead the criminals took matter into their own hands which was entertaining to see and watch. I frequently see in the pubilic chat people saying "Is there any gud rpers online?" "Is there anywhere wher there is gud rp going on?" I agree 100 percent on your post Aragorn. Past few months I still haven't found myself in good rp chases, or amazing roleplay scenarios between the cops and the police. In my cadet days...these things happened. When traffic stops weren't the usual "Just give me my ticket so I can go" but the they were also funny. This whole "No force rp" crap didn't exist. When I tried to rp with someone no one went " YOU CAN't FORCE RP OMG".
I hope this changes. I will try to change this ingame by always rping but not sure if other players are willing.
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you know what rule ruins most RPs?
"you cannot /hail 1 then run away"
i dont see why this is a rule, because its totally legit as a form of RP to give cops the slip...
i used to RP all i could with cops, but in the 4-5 months i have played... the risk of even being in the presence of cops has gone from "they might jail you for longer.." to "they gonn shoot you fool... no questions bout it"
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you know what rule ruins most RPs?
"you cannot /hail 1 then run away"
i dont see why this is a rule, because its totally legit as a form of RP to give cops the slip...
Shows you're an ------- and can't even honestly surrender. Nothing related to actual RP.
If running away after giving up was allowed, criminals would run on every chance possible and the cops would never give you the chance to give up anyway. Tell me how that would be RP.
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Shows you're an asshole and can't even honestly surrender. Nothing related to actual RP.
If running away after giving up was allowed, criminals would run on every chance possible and the cops would never give you the chance to give up anyway. Tell me how that would be RP.
how am i an asshole for wanting to do a "look i give up" then as they lower their guns i sprint away as part of RP ...
it's not allowed anyways...
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how am i an asshole for wanting to do a "look i give up" then as they lower their guns i sprint away as part of RP ...
it's not allowed anyways...
You can fake a /giveup using /hail... (I thnk)
Of course next time you hail, they wont bother about arresting you, you'll probably get killed on sight.
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You can fake a /giveup using /hail... (I thnk)
Of course next time you hail, they wont bother about arresting you, you'll probably get killed on sight.
yep /hail 1 is identical to /gu, just it doesn't freeze/make u invincible..
often i'll use /hail 1 if theres a firefight going on, because that way if the cops all die at least i wont be stuck there waiting.. and i can go to LSPD (or nearest station)
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I was suspected by a cop for shooting.
I ran towards him and did /hail, he shot at me and said "You was running, so I can shoot!"
I was like "*facepalms*", I didn't even manage to come close to kill him with my sniper :lol:
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I was suspected by a cop for shooting.
I ran towards him and did /hail, he shot at me and said "You was running, so I can shoot!"
I was like "*facepalms*", I didn't even manage to come close to kill him with my sniper :lol:
man, you always dying for the funniest reasons curse xD
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man, you always dying for the funniest reasons curse xD
Death can be apart of any good RP :), there is an endless way in which a person can die, some funny, some shocking, some serious - in terms of RP of-course.
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I once died over a bag of ice cubes.
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I once died over a bag of ice cubes.
h'the Bobba that happen; did you think you had a choice(do you think you needed a choice), did you mind death?
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yep /hail 1 is identical to /gu, just it doesn't freeze/make u invincible..
often i'll use /hail 1 if theres a firefight going on, because that way if the cops all die at least i wont be stuck there waiting.. and i can go to LSPD (or nearest station)
That is effectively cheating, as you become impossible to kill during a firefight.
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That is effectively cheating, as you become impossible to kill during a firefight.
No, he meant he uses /hail 1 ( which doesn't make you invincible ), he can still be shot.
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That is effectively cheating, as you become impossible to kill during a firefight.
No, he meant he uses /hail 1 ( which doesn't make you invincible ), he can still be shot.
what they said... but it has RP value to be surrendered until u realise all the cops died (if they do) otherwise /gu when its over if everyone else died
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h'the Bobba that happen; did you think you had a choice(do you think you needed a choice), did you mind death?
What?
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QQ
Sorry but let me correct your quote man.
"Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, Moaners are human beings exercising their rights, and people who quote themselves and refer to themselves as "Myself" are pretentious jackasses with huge egos and no brain."
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So, why did you bumped this old topic, great sir? `.`
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Luigi, I am so close requesting a forum ban on you
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Luigi, I am so close requesting a forum ban on you
I like how you said nothing to Boxy. No no, it's fine.
It's also funny how I've never been muted yet, but I'm still being threatened with a ban.
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Ok you're cool. I like how you said nothing to Boxy. No no, it's fine. It's totally fine. You can blatantly ignore the obvious right in front of your face.
It's also funny how I've never been muted yet.
I normaly let people off, by giving them a verbal warning, but when that apparently isn't enough, I hit - and I hit hard. You keep trolling around the SA:MP General section.. And no, what should I say to Boxy?
hey boxy, pliz be nice.
No - You started it, he gave you back - I deleted the comment. Finito.
Now you all, start behaving nice..
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And no, what should I say to Boxy?
hey boxy, pliz be nice.
Yeah, actually.
You started it, he gave you back
Implying what I said was directed at him by any means.
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Luigi, I am so close requesting a forum ban on you
Hey u can forum ban on luigi but not on grz even though he called someone an asshole? :rockstar: f**k yea
Shows you're an ------- and can't even honestly surrender.
Didn't see this, but I fixed it just now. Thanks. - Greg.
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Hello. Who the f**k you think you are?
:rofl: Wahahahahahahahahahahhahahah xDDDD
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Hey u can forum ban on luigi but not on grz even though he called someone an asshole?
if he ban the admins whose ass would he kiss to get in administration?
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Hello, I do not intend in any way to offend you, but you have no f**king clue how to moderate a board.
Regards,
Your boy Daco
inb4mad&banrequest
Hi, Daco
Appeariantly you like Argonath ALOT, don't you? Since I see everytime a new account of you.
if he ban the admins whose ass would he kiss to get in administration?
Yours
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I actually don't have any kinds of intentions to join the administration team at this moment..
Sorry to dissapoint you Daco..
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I like how you said nothing to Boxy. No no, it's fine.
It's also funny how I've never been muted yet, but I'm still being threatened with a ban.
On August 26 you were placed in to moderated status. That equals a muting, as all posts were needing the approval of a forum moderator.
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New players need a friendly welcome... Not a rule putting in their nose before they made a step...
Sorry for the huge bump, but don't veterans need something to keep them coming back to the server? You can't just forge a server that caters only to the newbies and expect veterans not to suggest ideas that'd keep their spirits up.
P.S. - Luigi, you're pathetic.
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if he ban the admins whose ass would he kiss to get in administration?
Why hide under new accounts?
The account is banned... Try to shit people from your usual... Not will last that long, I suppose...
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Sorry for the huge bump, but don't veterans need something to keep them coming back to the server? You can't just forge a server that caters only to the newbies and expect veterans not to suggest ideas that'd keep their spirits up.
P.S. - Luigi, you're pathetic.
Suggesting ideas does not mean all ideas are perfect and does not mean we will run to serve every idea the veterans suggest...
To all there around:
However, server turns into shit thanks to those who have no fucking idea about Argonath and fucking moan about every shit around...
Argonath is not supposed to be a place for pampers changes...
Cannot handle a dminger, rammer, noober, abooozer, adminner - go play The Sims...
Argonath never was a fucking kindergarten... So do not blame this server for being a GTA server...
For... fuck... sake...
Thank you all...
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Cannot handle a dminger<...>abooozer
One thing when a dmer/abuser comes around once.
But when freecop abusers bother you every single minute, it's starting to get not funny at all.
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One thing when a dmer/abuser comes around once.
But when freecop abusers bother you every single minute, it's starting to get not funny at all.
You are very popular I see...
Well, what should do the owners of server when they come and bothered more often then once in a minute?
Maybe its enough to look at yourselves as at poor guys who need mum?
We were even training in shooting on Old Argonath - to give a good answer to dmingers...
We could handle in one time even 2, 3 and even 6 dmingers around... We were getting respect from them and getting new friends...
We were not afraid to step into fight... We did not give a fuck if we were rammed: the rammer could face the bigger problem then he caused...
If we would start moan those days about every ass around - there would not be a fucking Argonath, man...
When there were Stracci and Montana only on server - they were fucking burning dmingers asses and nobody cried to admins, and admins were busy removing cheaters and teaching new players...
And those times Argonath had even number 3 on sa:mp lists...
Now admins cannot even teach the newcomers, because all they do - respond on every fart report, cannot even check properly one report, when 20 others moaning about admins doing nothing...
Players do not want to help new players, players demand from admins 100% watching ALL situations around, players even between each other cannot solve personal issues and scream to investigate every shitty ramming...
Argonath is dieing from it, people... Wanna every fart be controlled? Go on strict servers...
Stop fucking ruin Argonath Spirit
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Well okay. I'll be shooting the f**k out of every freecop who even dares to look at me wrong (Figure of speech), and I'll tell you my results in near week.
And If after that I'll be called a DMer even once...... Well, i think you understand what I think.
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Let me point this out:
We were even training in shooting on Old Argonath - to give a good answer to dmingers...
We could handle in one time even 2, 3 and even 6 dmingers around... We were getting respect from them and getting new friends...
We were not afraid to step into fight... We did not give a f**k if we were rammed: the rammer could face the bigger problem then he caused...
Back at RS 1/2 (Well, not sure, but maybe it was still RS 1 back then), when you spawned, you got weapons. I even remember how I always picked county cop skin simply to get my 50 shotgun, and abused entering all cop cars to get even more.
When spawning as Grove Street you got 9mm and that kind of gangsta weapons. Even TEC 9 i believe.
If you give me with every spawn all my weapons back with full ammunition, I wouldn't even think of shout anything about DMers and Freecops.
But I guess that'll never happen for obvious reasons.
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Personally, I imagine a way to stop 'moaning' would be to make money worthless, then no one has anything to complain about but I don't think that's a viable solution as it would ruin some of the incentives to play on Argonath.
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I have put an idea long time ago about making all things free or resetting the money on Argonath.
And it was denied because of everyone's precious money being resetted which they earned "FOR A PRETTY LONG TIME QQ"
Some may say about me "If you don't care about money, why you bother moaning about it"
Well, how the fucking else can I buy weapons? Weapons and my car all what I care about.
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Now admins cannot even teach the newcomers, because all they do - respond on every fart report, cannot even check properly one report, when 20 others moaning about admins doing nothing...
This part is especially true.
If anyone can view the admin chat for even one hour, they will notice almost all reports we respond to are about DM or flame.
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When there is 1 admin to cater for 100 people, how will that 1 person deal with reports yet alone the newbies?
If there were enough admins, I don't imagine this issue with be as much of an issue it is now.
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Even if you had 100 admins on server, some players will still act with a shitty attitude.
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When there is 1 admin to cater for 100 people, how will that 1 person deal with reports yet alone the newbies?
If there were enough admins, I don't imagine this issue with be as much of an issue it is now.
Pretty much this.
Back in 2008 there were a lot of admins. Rarely i could see one admin against 70-80 of people.
Nowadays server population raised to 130-140 on evenings, and even then i see a handful of admins, which is a shame. Good think moderator waves will fix that, but it takes time to pick out suitable men for this "job".
Even if you had 100 admins on server, some players will still act with a shitty attitude.
Atleast then rulebrakers and DMers will be a LOT less.
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It does not matter if there was 1 admin or 100. If people did not cry to admins for everything, we WILL get a lot less reports on deathmatchers as people would be able to deal with most things (except hackers- that's where we always came in) themselves.
In old days, players even practiced their skills on hackers.
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Personally, I imagine a way to stop 'moaning' would be to make money worthless, then no one has anything to complain about but I don't think that's a viable solution as it would ruin some of the incentives to play on Argonath.
This would be a great solution.
IV:MP server does not have a monetary script implemented yet, so there is no money flow anywhere.
We have about handful of commands and we have fun. RPing mechanics at half bugged Pay'n'Spray.
RPing an investigator/detective by going on duty then /skin to change it to a man with a suit, etc ...RPing a fireman with unsynced hose.
RPing ad drug dealer without any drug scripts implemented.
Almost half of the server players have 10 million cash balance(due to Caion's failed paydays/maths) and there is no greed whatsoever.
We even organize a free DD just to ram ourselves for the fun of it.Cars don't explode, they are quite bugged, so they just re-spawn.
We walk on foot from an island to an island just to see how long does the trip last. We RPed a Chinatown restaurant.
The requests for weaponry are minimum.The weapons are completely free and can be obtained with a simple command.
Money is a necessary evil.
Mostly(admins) answer to silly questions like " When do scripts arrive", "how to speak in local chat" and etc...
We don't have IC/OOC RP whatsoever. The hell most of our players come from LS-R*.
Mostly, we have around 13-18 players online. Sometimes, even 25, but the point is, nobody reports anyone.When someone DMs around, the other players DM back and they just LOL at the end of the day saying "ownage" and discussing which weapon is better and efficient.
We jump in a helicopter and fly to a high distant building in Broker and we just jump off. When you die you loose 15,000. No one cares for loosing that sum.At Fridays, I am mostly alone with 15+ players and no one gives me a hard time.
SA:MP is another story .... pure polarization of IV:MP.
We shall see what will IV:MP become when the player count rises.
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Well okay. I'll be shooting the f**k out of every freecop who even dares to look at me wrong (Figure of speech), and I'll tell you my results in near week.
And If after that I'll be called a DMer even once...... Well, i think you understand what I think.
Yes you will be called a dmer and personally banned by me if I will see it, as it has nothing to do with what I was writing... Do not be scared to face dmers and to be a dmer yourself - different things...
And about weapons... No you are wRONg, in the first version players spawned only with knives/baseball bats/etc...
But thanks for info about your past abusing of the duty command...
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Personally, I imagine a way to stop 'moaning' would be to make money worthless, then no one has anything to complain about but I don't think that's a viable solution as it would ruin some of the incentives to play on Argonath.
You are wRONg as well, as money is not the reason of people moaning...
Argonath Old had the one feature stable - money - and none was moaning at all...
Moaning started with arriving people from other "srs rp" servers...
When there is 1 admin to cater for 100 people, how will that 1 person deal with reports yet alone the newbies?
If there were enough admins, I don't imagine this issue with be as much of an issue it is now.
wRONg as well... When there were 10 admins online and more - there were more moans about admins...
To the note: some admins retired cos could not handle anymore the shit at their address...
The same was with high ranked people of Argonath... And even with me...
Another note: when there is only Aragorn online (happened several days after my inactivity) - the server was calm and nice... So its a question not on amount of admins but of players attitude...
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This would be a great solution.
IV:MP server does not have a monetary script implemented yet, so there is no money flow anywhere.
We have about handful of commands and we have fun.
I already warned some years ago the MTA:SA admins team not to start comparing themselves with sa:mp server and its administration... So that better you drop... It can make me pissed off, honestly...
As about IV:MP - are you kidding? I was on IV:MP several days and among 7 players on server two already were demanding admins... One - cos he was rammed, another - cos someone was shooting (yeah, even with that horrible sync)... Now lets just see in progression...
IV:MP: 7 players - 2 moaners...
SA:MP: 140 players - 40 moaners...
Feel the difference...
Once again: do not start here comparison of two servers... That cannot stand on one level anyways...
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I wrote that post above just because that difference you said below.
Did I say, admin team in SA:MP is less competent? No.
Less players = less moaners.
As you said, above, I've never had moaners when I was online.
Were there admins at that time, when you saw the moaners?
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The same was with high ranked people of Argonath... And even with me...
Yep. Was the reason I "resigned" as a developer...the player's attitude, not the administration. As basically....what the administration and developers say - goes. Simple as that, but some players can still not grasp that fact and come at us with shitty attitude and personal attacks.
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P.S. - Luigi, you're pathetic.
Found your panties. No wonder you're still butthurt :hah:
(http://coolaggregator.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/embroidered_thong.jpg)
When there were Stracci and Montana only on server - they were f**king burning dmingers asses and nobody cried to admins, and admins were busy removing cheaters and teaching new players...
And those times Argonath had even number 3 on sa:mp lists...
Seriously!? When anyone else does that now a days, they get frowned on and bitched at just because they didn't stand still and go "DMING ISNT ALLOWED DMING ISNT ALLOWED DMING ISNT ALLOWED" 10000 times to a non-English speaking random DMer who didn't give two flying fucks if he got banned or not.
Speaking from experience, btw.
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It does not matter if there was 1 admin or 100. If people did not cry to admins for everything, we WILL get a lot less reports on deathmatchers as people would be able to deal with most things (except hackers- that's where we always came in) themselves.
In old days, players even practiced their skills on hackers.
lets ban those 'people' then and stop being so easy. if someone moans [i mean moans, not give their opinion] ban them on the spot. That will influence not only the banned but those who saw it - they will think 'well i shouldnt talk about it because i dont want banned' rather than 'its cool all i gotta do is say sorry and i wont get in big trouble.'
Yep. Was the reason I "resigned" as a developer...the player's attitude, not the administration. As basically....what the administration and developers say - goes. Simple as that, but some players can still not grasp that fact and come at us with shitty attitude and personal attacks.
players players players. always the players fault isn't it? The least you can do is sum it down to 'the moaners' not 'the players' you make it sound like everyone thats not an admin or or what some would call, a 'wanna be admin' is bad and is the reason you couldnt handle your position.
As far as i see it this will never stop for 1 reason. Both sides have not necessarily experienced the others side.
i.e. normal players [without mod/admin powers] can not realize that being admin is harder than typing /kick or /ban or /warn, that it requires hard work and determination. And Admins/mods [well, most] can not realize being Dmed constantly and seeing rulebreakers or being victims of rulebreakers and seeing them go unpunished is so frustrating. as an admin you are protected by this because you have the power to straight on deliver punishment.
to sum it up; Players and admins do not experience the others situations daily so they can't really relate which is why there is so much disagreement, and Players rely on admins to respond to their reports, and admins rely on players to report rulebreakers since the admins can not see everything - and the problem is that there are so many rulebreakers and not enough admins that can respond to those reports, meaning some rulebreakers will go on unseen.
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to sum it up; Players and admins do not experience the others situations daily so they can't really relate which is why there is so much disagreement, and Players rely on admins to respond to their reports, and admins rely on players to report rulebreakers since the admins can not see everything - and the problem is that there are so many rulebreakers and not enough admins that can respond to those reports, meaning some rulebreakers will go on unseen.
Yes, we can relate, as admins were players before and still are, just with extra handful of command.
We got Dmed before, moaned, felt abandoned et cetera.
When it comes to regular players they cannot understand how it is to be ripped apart between 20 reports(19 of them false) and capitals users in main chat saying how the admins and the server suck.Quite discomforting and stressful.
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i.e. normal players [without mod/admin powers] can not realize that being admin is harder than typing /kick or /ban or /warn, that it requires hard work and determination. And Admins/mods [well, most] can not realize being Dmed constantly and seeing rulebreakers or being victims of rulebreakers and seeing them go unpunished is so frustrating. as an admin you are protected by this because you have the power to straight on deliver punishment.
to sum it up; Players and admins do not experience the others situations daily so they can't really relate which is why there is so much disagreement, and Players rely on admins to respond to their reports, and admins rely on players to report rulebreakers since the admins can not see everything - and the problem is that there are so many rulebreakers and not enough admins that can respond to those reports, meaning some rulebreakers will go on unseen.
You sir, fail epicly at this comparison.
As stated by Void, we were players and we still are. We did not get admin rights on our first entry to the server, we earned them after months and years of being players, of being DMed, flamed, attacked by hackers, and everything.
Admins still experience all the shits that players experience- in fact we have MORE shits coming to us than regular players. Yes, we can deal with it in a faster manner, but we still get those shits coming. Players only have to look out for themselves while admins are there for everyone on the server.
Inb4 people pointing their fingers at me moaning about how admins have it so hard, I am not here to complain about admin job. I love it despite all the shit it brings- why did I still not resign (I never even complained about my post as moderator... yes, I love being one) even though I don't get any uber-special treatment or free money or etc?
So do not for one second complain that admins do not relate to player situation...
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Were there admins at that time, when you saw the moaners?
Yeah... Me...
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Seriously!? When anyone else does that now a days, they get frowned on and bitched at just because they didn't stand still and go "DMING ISNT ALLOWED DMING ISNT ALLOWED DMING ISNT ALLOWED" 10000 times to a non-English speaking random DMer who didn't give two flying f**ks if he got banned or not.
Speaking from experience, btw.
When anybody does that nobody cares... And that is the correct position... If player met a dmer, was attacked, he has all rights to kill the dmer...
The same time he has no rights to start crying about his wanted level and demands unsuspection... Either avoid attacker, run away how its done in real life, if people see the crazy guy with the gun...
And he is not welcomed to start crying especially if he loses the battle against dmer, what most of you do... When fought the dmer back, got killed, and start screaming "OMFG A DMER!"... I would personally ban faster such "veteran" then a noob dmer who attacked him...
Fight/Die or Run away when see a dmer... Not a big business, erh? Otherwise all this screams about Argonath not being a real life roleplay sucks like your pants on that picture and BTW non-official warning for offense to Oliver's post...
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lets ban those 'people' then and stop being so easy. if someone moans [i mean moans, not give their opinion] ban them on the spot.
Since when moan became be not an opinion?
There are thousands of players... And who moans? All the same... Around 20-30 moaners we have constant... And it looks much more because moaning is the one thing to express and throw... Nobody, who is happy with Argonath, will go and scream "OMFG I love Argonath!!!" That does not need if all is ok...
That is why moaners spoil the atmosphere in the community... Because all what we see here - moaning about everything around... The most funny, we ask moaners to leave the server if they do not like our players, roleplay style and admins team... And what? Any of them left? No... Even bring here their friends... Wahaha? For sure...
Moaners should face the facts... If they are still here and do not want to switch to the "zomg roleplay" servers then the things are really different then they fart here and should drop the shit... In other words - count all "Yes" and "No" and realize - that their farts do not help the servers be developed in a friendly way it was usually on Argonath...
Once I set a task to admins team to ban all who moan constantly on server... And trust me, if things will not be changed nowadays, I will request to admins to clean the community once again...
What people do with spoiled fruits? Throw it out...
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Yes you will be called a dmer and personally banned by me if I will see it, as it has nothing to do with what I was writing... Do not be scared to face dmers and to be a dmer yourself - different things...
This statement is nothing to do with what I was writing.
If you still can't understand: I meant that if any freecop abuses me, i'll shoot him off with all my guns i have. I am a criminal now, basically, and my actions will be simply avoiding of punishment, and it's all legit.
But thanks for info about your past abusing of the duty command...
That was not an abuse, if you read wrong. What I abused was entering cars to get shotgun.
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Once I set a task to admins team to ban all who moan constantly on server...
Before they do it, please tell them that moaning = / = opinion.
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Before they do it, please tell them that moaning = / = opinion.
Afraid ? :devroll:
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Afraid ? :devroll:
I actually am quite afraid that some of the admins will think that opinion is moaning so they should ban people off the server.
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Yes, we can relate, as admins were players before and still are, just with extra handful of command.
We got Dmed before, moaned, felt abandoned et cetera.
When it comes to regular players they cannot understand how it is to be ripped apart between 20 reports(19 of them false) and capitals users in main chat saying how the admins and the server suck.Quite discomforting and stressful.
As i said - You DO experience how it feels to be DMed, and are at chance to be at victim of it as regular players - but you do not experience that you have no power against the rulebreaker [in this situation DMer] except for /report of defending yourself(Which may lead in the defending player being punished anyway). I like how JDC tried to make it seem like iwas saying admins were bad because they have admin powers, he failed at it though, and also failed completely in his post because he did not understand what I meant, like void. To clarify; I meant you DO experience these 'shits' but you do not experience [at least, now now] how you are defenseless except to breaking rules yourself or /report'ing. Which is also why i later said Players depend on admins to respond to reports, and admins respond on players to alert admins of these rulebreaks so they admins can fulfill their duty and make the server 1 rulebreaker less. Not in one fucking place did I say what you framed me of saying. Whether you misread my post or fully being a jackass to make it seem like i was calling admins bad for having power to stop rulebreaks, i cleared what i said.
Since when moan became be not an opinion?
What do you mean by this? I guess it was a typo but I am going to guess you meant 'since when was moan not an opinion.' - Well When someone gives their opinion, sometimes players feel the need to shout and give a 5 minutes speech 'Stop moaning. you moaners are wat ruin the server' Even if the player was just sharing his dislike for something. [Although their right about moaners ruining server]
Example: I tell a cop he did not follow proper police procedures, and I tell him how to do it correctly. Yes, maybe i threw in a little frustration, like saying 'that wasn't the right procedure! what the fk makes you do that?!' and you know what he said? 'Stop moaning.' All i did was laugh. I even clarified the procedure later with an admin, and he agreed with what I had told the cop. Will go into detail if needed.
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Example: I tell a cop he did not follow proper police procedures, and I tell him how to do it correctly. Yes, maybe i threw in a little frustration, like saying 'that wasn't the right procedure! what the fk makes you do that?!' and you know what he said? 'Stop moaning.' All i did was laugh. I even clarified the procedure later with an admin, and he agreed with what I had told the cop. Will go into detail if needed.
Tell me the time on server I will check logs as I never saw players telling "stop moan" to the guys who guide a newcomer with the proper police procedure...
Moaning is a style of people express their opinion... Everything people tell - it is their opinion... Nothing comes from their mouths forced, except you have a gun pointed into your head...
Who are moaners? Those, who constantly try to attract attention by complaining... Who do think they are always right and do not give a f**k if that was a mistake a circumstances or whatever... Who think that by shitting others (especially newcomers) they grow in the eyes of community... Who do constantly wave their dirty pants and do not do anything to wash it but pretend that will do admins/newcomers/Argonath veterans... Who do think the world is turning around them and have no brains to understand the reality... Those who were always hiding behind mum's skirt when something goes not as they want...
In other words, as Russians say, the bad dancer always blames his big balls...
Moaners are demanders and actually very annoying...
Expressing opinion can be done in different ways and some of them we do not allow like flame, insult, provokes, constant annoying, etc... Moaning is a part of this...
It does not give any positives... It only ruins the atmosphere inside community, as moaners use the simple thing: as I said, if things are going ok, people do not need to post about it... With that all what others read in community they like - moaners...
That annoys community, that annoys admins, that annoys owners...
So basically we have all rights to set admins watch to the code red for moaners...
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like your pants on that picture
Aw man, you don't like them? Is it the color?
In other words, as Russians say, the bad dancer always blames his big balls...
Sve je sranje osim pishanje, a i pishanje uz vetar je sranje. ;)
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Aw man, you don't like them? Is it the color? Sve je sranje osim pishanje, a i pishanje uz vetar je sranje. ;)
I am not a fetishist...
As about something in the end, apart word "sranje" i did not get anything...
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Sve je sranje osim pishanje, a i pishanje uz vetar je sranje.
Everything is shitting except pissing and pissing by the wind is shitty.
Jamal you must get one thing, admins cannot function without the players. /report is your command, you hold the power and you(players) wage the mood on the server.Yes you are correct, however I have one thing to say:
You are sitting in front of a PC, you are not going to die.Hello!?Defend, kill, bite, melee, eat, scream.Fight for yours!
Defend against a DMer. if he attacks you, /report.If he continues, take the initiative. Stand for yourself.
When you kill him, explain him that DM is not allowed. Nothing better then whipping the floor with him then giving him a lesson he won't forget.
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Everything is shitting except pissing and pissing by the wind is shitty.
Jamal you must get one thing, admins cannot function without the players. /report is your command, you hold the power and you(players) wage the mood on the server.Yes you are correct, however I have one thing to say:
You are sitting in front of a PC, you are not going to die.Hello!?Defend, kill, bite, melee, eat, scream.Fight for yours!
Defend against a DMer. if he attacks you, /report.If he continues, take the initiative. Stand for yourself.
When you kill him, explain him that DM is not allowed. Nothing better then whipping the floor with him then giving him a lesson he won't forget.
I do not know why you said the first part, considering I said it about 3 times in my post :lol: as for the defense - I truthfully would rather die than kill a new player because it provokes him to kill me, or worse, other players. Although I know some who would kill him on the spot - thats not me, but I see what you mean and will keep it in mind.
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Tell me the time on server I will check logs as I never saw players telling "stop moan" to the guys who guide a newcomer with the proper police procedure...
Moaning is a style of people express their opinion... Everything people tell - it is their opinion... Nothing comes from their mouths forced, except you have a gun pointed into your head...
Who are moaners? Those, who constantly try to attract attention by complaining... Who do think they are always right and do not give a f**k if that was a mistake a circumstances or whatever... Who think that by shitting others (especially newcomers) they grow in the eyes of community... Who do constantly wave their dirty pants and do not do anything to wash it but pretend that will do admins/newcomers/Argonath veterans... Who do think the world is turning around them and have no brains to understand the reality... Those who were always hiding behind mum's skirt when something goes not as they want...
In other words, as Russians say, the bad dancer always blames his big balls...
Moaners are demanders and actually very annoying...
Expressing opinion can be done in different ways and some of them we do not allow like flame, insult, provokes, constant annoying, etc... Moaning is a part of this...
It does not give any positives... It only ruins the atmosphere inside community, as moaners use the simple thing: as I said, if things are going ok, people do not need to post about it... With that all what others read in community they like - moaners...
That annoys community, that annoys admins, that annoys owners...
So basically we have all rights to set admins watch to the code red for moaners...
Mr aragorn, it was a regular player who did not follow cop procedures and he was also the one to tell me to stop moaning after i told him proper procedure.
Also, I am not saying all moaners are just expressing their opinion, but I am saying some people just give an opinion that is NOT actually moaning, but it seems the server [for whatever reason] wants to jump the person and say 'stop moaning!' EVEN if what he says is not moaning, but maybe just saying 'thats not a good idea' or something. I'm not talking like someone DID moan their opinion, im talking someone giving an opinion in a non-moan way but still be hearing 'STOP MOAN' in his ear.
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Defend against a DMer. if he attacks you, /report.If he continues, take the initiative. Stand for yourself.
Usually Argonath veterans club did opposite... They did not start from the report thingy... They just fought back...
Actually from what I remember from Old Argonath even roleplay events dmers were not reported... There was at least one admin and yes people could be pissed off or whatever, but nobody reports dmer when admin is there...
SA:MP reports about every shit right in front of your nose... Even if admins types the player that he is watching his case, the player can start a shit about admin doing nothing...
But I am tired already of explanations here and telling the same things once again and again... If players have no Argonath feeling, they will never have it, I suppose...
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Everything is shitting except pissing and pissing by the wind is shitty.
Close.
Everything is shit except for pissing, but even pissing against the wind is shit.
It means, "You're never happy!" Kind of describes people these days :devroll:
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Usually Argonath veterans club did opposite... They did not start from the report thingy... They just fought back...
Actually from what I remember from Old Argonath even roleplay events dmers were not reported... There was at least one admin and yes people could be pissed off or whatever, but nobody reports dmer when admin is there...
SA:MP reports about every shit right in front of your nose... Even if admins types the player that he is watching his case, the player can start a shit about admin doing nothing...
But I am tired already of explanations here and telling the same things once again and again... If players have no Argonath feeling, they will never have it, I suppose...
Let me elaborate what I've thought when I wrote that.
Case 1
Getting DMed by a player? /report and /hail 2.If no admin responds, take the initiative.
Case 2
Getting Dmed by a player./report and /hail 2. Take initiative, get owned and then moan at admin chat "WTF, lazy admins" , " OMG read reports""f**king DMer IDXX"
Sadly, second case is most used now days.
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Original Argonath has other view...
Getting DMed by a player? Go f**king train in shooting or ask cool fighter to be your teacher...
I myself came to the best MTA:VC fighter R* clan founder and asked him to teach me to fight... And we were busy with it, mixing easily the roleplay (martial arts) and game skills...
What is in your post I pointed to - getting dmed ---> /report to admin... This I would suggest to use only in case of player constant deathmatching/ignoring...
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It means, "You're never happy!" Kind of describes people these days :devroll:
No, the Russian saying about bad dancer was addressed to those, who will always find a reason of his disappointments even in weird things but not in himself...
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Original Argonath has other view...
Getting DMed by a player? Go f**king train in shooting or ask cool fighter to be your teacher...
I myself came to the best MTA:VC fighter R* clan founder and asked him to teach me to fight... And we were busy with it, mixing easily the roleplay (martial arts) and game skills...
What is in your post I pointed to - getting dmed ---> /report to admin... This I would suggest to use only in case of player constant deathmatching/ignoring...
And then you proceeded to teach most of the MTA:VC players and admins how to pwn hackers with the stubby shotgun. :lol:
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Hah I still remember the ol' MTA:VC Stubby Practice on Thursday mornings.
And the clash of the laggers - me vs Watti :lol:
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And then you proceeded to teach most of the MTA:VC players and admins how to pwn hackers with the stubby shotgun. :lol:
Worked because stubby was an clean hit, and there was no hacks back then who could prevent an death by instant-kill weapons/situations.
Now a days, most hacks they use in sa:mp can even prevent death by knife. There should still be ways tough, but I do not know.
But yes, we had out ways in defeating the hackers back in the old days. Wich also allowed us to prevent them from entering fort baxter to screw with us when the scripts was down. IN prevent I mean we threatned to shoot them down on sight if they entered with thier hacks. :)
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And then you proceeded to teach most of the MTA:VC players and admins how to pwn hackers with the stubby shotgun. :lol:
Yeah, that is why I was called on that community "hackers' friend", as hackzorgs were respecting me for not running away with screams, lol...
I remember there was one to annoying all of them, especially cops, as he was level 6 wanted... So they gave up and started screaming... I took a robber skin and tried to kill him... We were fighting, I think, 15 minutes, as he was not a noob cheater and used speedhack during combat as well... That was a weird fight, something like a knight against a dark wizard lol... But he finally killed me... :lol:
Then said some compliments to my skills and that he will not disturb this server anymore and left...
Guys, I still have my banshee with 18 stars of killed hp-hackers... :cop:
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Now a days, most hacks they use in sa:mp can even prevent death by knife. There should still be ways tough, but I do not know.
I do believe that helicopter blades still work fine against hacker... Did not check that though...
:ps: Ah old times discussions against hackors, omg, nostalgie...
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Nostalgia is always good, good feelings when we beat them even when they tought they were zomg invincible.
About good old feelings, something that everyone was excited for when scripts was down. Fort baxter.
Ron, seriosly. Do you know how much fun we had the times scripts was down? (Not saying I wanted scripts to be down, but when they were down, we still had fun)
Some very epic roleplays sprung forth, common ones was the humans vs the zombies, gravedigging military personell in war and playing cards while the bombs (hackers and dmingers) were falling.
The most amazing thing I have ever seen in those scriptless times, is that the whole server would unite regardless of personal feelings against other, and just have an great time. Or those who was not an admin who could unite the server even in scriptless bad days.
For example, even with scripts down. Nearly no one rulebreaked or dared to question the admins when they told someone that they were rulebreaking. (As in stupid comments or just flaming behaviour about punishments). Instead of doing that shit, players cared to have fun.
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The kind of Argonath I started out on... memories.
When I was outnumbered by DMers to the point where a gun fight with them would be meaningless, I would start throwing molotovs. :lol:
If you read the above posts, what you see are more than just the memories of old-time Argonath players... you can read an important lesson there.
In old days, the players actually looked out for themselves and the admins had more time to attend to more important issues than "ZOMG ADMIN ID XX IS FLAMING ME DO SOMETHING GODDAMNIT"... we are helpers, not baby sitters.
No one bothers to defend themselves anymore... if I see people who end up killing out of self-defense (and find out what they claim is true, that they killed in self defense) because they had no other choice (as they did not use /report for every single shit), then by all means I do not see why they should walk free... yes, I unsuspect them.
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For example, even with scripts down. Nearly no one rulebreaked or dared to question the admins when they told someone that they were rulebreaking. (As in stupid comments or just flaming behaviour about punishments). Instead of doing that shit, players cared to have fun.
Yes I remember... We actually needed admins team just for teaching new players and to block the shitters from competitor server...
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No one bothers to defend themselves anymore... if I see people who end up killing out of self-defense (and find out what they claim is true, that they killed in self defense) because they had no other choice (as they did not use /report for every single shit), then by all means I do not see why they should walk free... yes, I unsuspect them.
That is an abuse of admin's powers...
Player has always a choice - to run away (and here he can report if he really cannot handle that) or to fight back... If they fought back, they might know the Laws of country, and murder crime should be either investigated in a roleplay way (admin leaves the case to police investigation) or handled as surrender or a criminal...
Admins have nothing to the case of player killed a dmer...
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I have noticed in my year with Argonath that most of the problems are coming from the SA:MP community, Do Not tell me they don't because I have played MTA:VC MTA:SA VC:MP IV:MP and I yet to see anyone on those servers having trouble with respecting each other and the "No Force RP Rule" which no one on the other Argonath servers seem to have a problem with but yet I fully do not understand the "No Force RP Rule" and when it can be implemented at players attempts to start a RP situation.
Would some be so kind to explain this rule which is thrown around without any logical reason behind it.
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That is an abuse of admin's powers...
Player has always a choice - to run away (and here he can report if he really cannot handle that) or to fight back... If they fought back, they might know the Laws of country, and murder crime should be either investigated in a roleplay way (admin leaves the case to police investigation) or handled as surrender or a criminal...
Admins have nothing to the case of player killed a dmer...
JDC maybe now you will stop acting like players are so bad. now you know WHY some people dont want to defend themself. They do not want to get in trouble themself. Its not that we want to annoy admins.
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Guys, I still have my banshee with 18 stars of killed hp-hackers... :cop:
Duuu-u-u-u-uuude.
It's a shame (not for the hackers...) that the hacks have come a long long way. Today, the only way to kill an hp hacker is to have an explosion equivalent to being stuck inside of a car while it explodes. They can walk on air like it's the ground, take to the skies with their awesome-mobiles that weren't meant for flying, and even teleport to wherever they please by setting a marker somewhere on the map. Now I've never played any games with hacks considered futile in terms of the "hackability" of the game, because I often join them when they're starting to get old. Much like how I joined SA:MP with the near-perfect HP hack - now that isn't underdeveloped.
Now in terms of forced rp, it's literally 99% impossible - the only possible way is if someone is threatening you with death IRL. But as I see it, forced RP in Argonath terms is taking advantage of something that it's not meant for (e.g., /su) to get people to RP the way you want them to, either by threatening them with it or actual usage, hence ruining their opportunity to have fun as they had intended. An example is suspecting someone for failing to comply when that someone refused to roleplay being successfully tied up, as he had actually roleplayed squirming like a mo-fa'ga. Then you threaten them with killing them - making them lose $1000, weapons (if any), time, and making them spawn in an inconvenient place - which in turn totally spoils their mood. This is basically an interrupted roleplay, since that someone didn't get to freely roleplay as he had pleased. That someone was actually enjoying the roleplay, and had planned to extend it into some sort of "escapee" roeplay. But when the cop basically went "NO GET TIED UP OR I END DIS ROLEPLAY BY KILL U", the fun was turned into some sort of BS.
In short, forced roleplay isn't literally forced. It's intentionally threatening to ruin the fun of the roleplay's fun or actually following through with the action of ruining the roleplay's fun just to make something go your way.
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JDC maybe now you will stop acting like players are so bad. now you know WHY some people dont want to defend themself. They do not want to get in trouble themself. Its not that we want to annoy admins.
Why annoy admins? Run to police... Or away... Usually dmers do not have a habit to stalk anyone...
But no, you will not do it... Cos you will get into fight, will kill the person (100% crime), then will start annoy admins to unsuspect you because of some OMFG DMER... And if the dmer would kill you in that fight, you will immediately report or scream OMFG DMER!... Cos got owned by some noob-boob...
/report admins player18 is a dmer and I killed him... ??? or
/report admins player18 is a dmer, killed me in a dual... ??? or
/report admins I killed the guy, unsuspect me... ???
I would not even move a finger to react, trust me... But I will rather spectate the reporter... who was obviously fighting the player and then reporting him... Cos it can come out the situation of being owned in a fight and pissed off in reports...
Players should know one thing - once fought a dmer back - no admin action to that accident...
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In short, forced roleplay isn't literally forced. It's intentionally threatening to ruin the fun of the roleplay's fun or actually following through with the action of ruining the roleplay's fun just to make something go your way.
Its just not to cross roleplays if they conflict between each other... The rule of golden middle...
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SA:MP 0.2 days ..... lag ...... /ragequit
I had a wired internet in that time. The server had a para-universe host location. :lol:
@Gird3r: You RPed zombie vs humans? Now days people need "motivation" for doing that ... shame.
I remember when we used to play it in 0.2.2. Hobo skins were zombies and the rest were people.
Role plays cross constantly as every member has its unique style which collides with others.Being able to respect all sides, having your own and adapting to others 100% makes you an experienced player.That's a great virtue when Role playing.
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That is an abuse of admin's powers...
I neglected to add that I handle the situation as a cop, not as admin (I have been investigating long before I became an admin, and no other admin commands are involved)... even separate from the admin rights I have enough resources to investigate and clear people who kill in self-defense, as high ranked cops and FBI can unsuspect as well. Admins will not act there, yes... but people can still go to cops and demand an investigation. If the investigation yields the result that someone is innocent, I see no reason not* to clear them.
Hence my last post.
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I neglected to add that I handle the situation as a cop, not as admin (I have been investigating long before I became an admin, and no other admin commands are involved)... even separate from the admin rights I have enough resources to investigate and clear people who kill in self-defense, as high ranked cops and FBI can unsuspect as well. Admins will not act there, yes... but people can still go to cops and demand an investigation. If the investigation yields the result that someone is innocent, I see no reason to clear them.
Correct...
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SA:MP 0.2 days ..... lag ...... /ragequit
I had a wired internet in that time. The server had a para-universe host location. :lol:
@Gird3r: You RPed zombie vs humans? Now days people need "motivation" for doing that ... shame.
I remember when we used to play it in 0.2.2. Hobo skins were zombies and the rest were people.
We roleplayed many things...
We roleplayed the hobos who were provoking the citizens against Argotican and Pope Elrond (R* Kojak)... Pope that time called SWAT and we were invited to the church where we were standing and screaming slogans while public was laughing at us... Pope told us that he will find us everywhere, lol... Zis waz a very complicated situation...
The same time there was a journalist, who was taking pictures of the conversation involving Pope, two hobos and SWAT...
The weeks later the priest Anto (R* Anto) went to Courts with issue against both hobos and there was a Court Case... I do not remember who were judges, but that was the funniest Court ever... Apart from the named priest Dare_Devil (hobo Gandlf pointed it very loud so we were laughing) plus some more facts against Argotican...
So the Court case was equalizing us, nobody won, but shared the amount of compensations...
We were roleplaying the blackmail of Prime Minister, when Daniel_Corleone made some photos of me and Araatus, claiming that Prime Minister is corrupt and has connections to Triad (or it was something else, I already do not remember which accusations were and when, lol)...
The case was taken by the Police HQ, which prepared a special operation involving cops and SWAT together... That time the Chief of Police was Kaltsu (R* Kaltsu)...
Police told me to contact the Corleone boss and make an appointment in some quit place, like Bayside...
When I arrived to the place there were tons of cops and SWAT... Daniel called me and told that he is coming... We got a problem where to hide all cops, ahaha... So to hide them from radar, all cops ran into the nearest shop 24/7... :lol: I can imagine the face of the owner of shop when there are tens of cops and special forces "excuse us sir, can we watch outside from here?"
Kaltsu himself was a barmen (LC bar) and was serving us on a high quality...
After that I was asked to move to the back door "to take some fresh air"... When I went out, there were all those cops and SWAT getting into bar... So Daniel was caught with photos...
I remember me, Gandalf and Legolas (R* Agent) were washing cars and Marina beach in bikini's and on rollers... After second car was washed the third one was with the maniac... We had to use our sprays to run from him...
That was Argonath...
And not this crap "remove rewards from cops", "OOC/IC", "if we will not have freecops we will roleplay nice", etc...
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Freecops that abuses <----- Reason I stopped playing in argonath
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Freecops that abuses <----- Reason I stopped playing in argonath
Why are you still here then?
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Freecops that abuses <----- Reason I stopped playing in argonath
You are not the one who is still here telling that he left... The exact reason we stopped all this shit with good bye forever topics...
Apparently nowhere to go else...
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Freecops that abuses <----- Reason I stopped playing in argonath
What are you talking about? At least 95% of the time the supposed 'abuse' has been the result of clear provocation of the new player. I've seen it happen myself - a guy displays an immensely shitty attitude towards a freecop, tells him to fuck off, gets suspected and starts crying 'ABUSE, FREECOP ABUSE, THIS SERVER SUCKS!!!'
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Freecops that abuses <----- Reason I stopped playing in argonath
I quit Argonath 'cause its so fu**ing boring nowdays
Orly ?
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Why annoy admins? Run to police... Or away... Usually dmers do not have a habit to stalk anyone...
But no, you will not do it... Cos you will get into fight, will kill the person (100% crime), then will start annoy admins to unsuspect you because of some OMFG DMER... And if the dmer would kill you in that fight, you will immediately report or scream OMFG DMER!... Cos got owned by some noob-boob...
/report admins player18 is a dmer and I killed him... ??? or
/report admins player18 is a dmer, killed me in a dual... ??? or
/report admins I killed the guy, unsuspect me... ???
I would not even move a finger to react, trust me... But I will rather spectate the reporter... who was obviously fighting the player and then reporting him... Cos it can come out the situation of being owned in a fight and pissed off in reports...
Players should know one thing - once fought a dmer back - no admin action to that accident...
So - We CAN Attack the DMer but we can't request unsuspect? in other words we have 1. defend self but become suspect or 2. die ?
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So - We CAN Attack the DMer but we can't request unsuspect? in other words we have 1. defend self but become suspect or 2. die ?
You could always surrender and cry (Rp way in which you do /me crys and weeps, not moan) and tell the cops you had no choice, and beg for there forgiveness.
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We roleplayed many things...
We roleplayed the hobos who were provoking the citizens against Argotican and Pope Elrond (R* Kojak)... Pope that time called SWAT and we were invited to the church where we were standing and screaming slogans while public was laughing at us... Pope told us that he will find us everywhere, lol... Zis waz a very complicated situation...
The same time there was a journalist, who was taking pictures of the conversation involving Pope, two hobos and SWAT...
The weeks later the priest Anto (R* Anto) went to Courts with issue against both hobos and there was a Court Case... I do not remember who were judges, but that was the funniest Court ever... Apart from the named priest Dare_Devil (hobo Gandlf pointed it very loud so we were laughing) plus some more facts against Argotican...
So the Court case was equalizing us, nobody won, but shared the amount of compensations...
We were roleplaying the blackmail of Prime Minister, when Daniel_Corleone made some photos of me and Araatus, claiming that Prime Minister is corrupt and has connections to Triad (or it was something else, I already do not remember which accusations were and when, lol)...
The case was taken by the Police HQ, which prepared a special operation involving cops and SWAT together... That time the Chief of Police was Kaltsu (R* Kaltsu)...
Police told me to contact the Corleone boss and make an appointment in some quit place, like Bayside...
When I arrived to the place there were tons of cops and SWAT... Daniel called me and told that he is coming... We got a problem where to hide all cops, ahaha... So to hide them from radar, all cops ran into the nearest shop 24/7... :lol: I can imagine the face of the owner of shop when there are tens of cops and special forces "excuse us sir, can we watch outside from here?"
Kaltsu himself was a barmen (LC bar) and was serving us on a high quality...
After that I was asked to move to the back door "to take some fresh air"... When I went out, there were all those cops and SWAT getting into bar... So Daniel was caught with photos...
I remember me, Gandalf and Legolas (R* Agent) were washing cars and Marina beach in bikini's and on rollers... After second car was washed the third one was with the maniac... We had to use our sprays to run from him...
That was Argonath...
And not this crap "remove rewards from cops", "OOC/IC", "if we will not have freecops we will roleplay nice", etc...
Why not make it how it was back then? I've nothing to compare this current Argonath to, I don't mind, it's still good enough for me.
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Why not make it how it was back then? I've nothing to compare this current Argonath to, I don't mind, it's still good enough for me.
You need players for that.
1000 people, 1000 personalities
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You could always surrender and cry (Rp way in which you do /me crys and weeps, not moan) and tell the cops you had no choice, and beg for there forgiveness.
Forgiveness? Fuck forgiveness, at the very least they should be doing what they're supposed to do BY LAW.
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So - We CAN Attack the DMer but we can't request unsuspect? in other words we have 1. defend self but become suspect or 2. die ?
You forgot about running away.
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So - We CAN Attack the DMer but we can't request unsuspect? in other words we have 1. defend self but become suspect or 2. die ?
player trying to take advantage of something
@ OP:
SEE -> SIGNATURE!
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player trying to take advantage of something
@ OP:
SEE -> SIGNATURE!
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do not get it lol
You forgot about running away.
Assuming I have a vehicle to escape in or assuming the Dmer will not chase me down.
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So - We CAN Attack the DMer but we can't request unsuspect? in other words we have 1. defend self but become suspect or 2. die ?
And you want to kill people and be innocent?
Yes you will need the investigation of police... And trust me, people with brains make from it a lot of fun between each other...
You have more then one:
1. Take a gun into your hands and be ready to face the Law Enforcement for the murder
2. Run away and find a help from the nearest police officer (I myself tried it many times as I never have weapons and it worked fine)
3. To fight back and die, if he is better then you...
From this three positions you should report admins only in case two, if you want that much...
In other two cases you can point to admins to check IDplayer on deathmatch...
If in all three cases you will start "OMFG DMER!!! ADMINS DO SMTH! THIS SERVER SUCKS!" or whatever in that style, get ready to be muted/kicked/tempbanned... If you do it constantly, be ready to be banned till you realize - either you treat the community with its admins and noobers decent or you will find another community with the zomg veterans of roleplay and be happy there...
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Why not make it how it was back then? I've nothing to compare this current Argonath to, I don't mind, it's still good enough for me.
That depends on players... SA:MP community is full of some real life crap... They made Police very serious, with that came all accusations... They are greedy, with that some parts of roleplay are impossible...
Lets make example...
In my times of active playing and being the police chief (and it was far ago on other server) the police officers could earn 5000$ from the highest level criminal killing or 10000$ from jailing him... People were going on police work (and that was the ONE job in whole city) to gain some money... And NOBODY accused anybody in money hungry or whatever...
Then there was a try of players attack the Police Department with accusations in a corruption...
"Want corruption?" - I thought - "I will give you corruption" And made out the announcement from PD that all mexicans in Vice City should pass the registration... If they will not do, the PD considers it as illegal immigrants and has rights to suspect and jail... The registration cost 10 000$...
Ask yourself what would SA:MP moaners do if I would give such announcement here?
The first day PD has got a line with mexican skinned players... We earned money for PD... Later we went to some guy with electronic shop and ordered some stuff there also to the clothes shop and ordered there new uniforms... Imaginery, of cos...
Back to the mexicans... The next day they started demand their human rights (in different forms of forum posts), but I already united cops and said - lets rule it, as I got money from registrations we shared it within police department dudes... The riot started, was a lot of fight, chases, arrests, demonstrations, imaginery painting the VCPD walls with Mexican graffiti... Even those who played the black gangs, started spawning as mexicans...
I decided to involve another group - something like Army... National Guard... And asked for support and cooperation... So there was the whole server involved...
Mexicans were making demonstrations, accusing police in corruption, they had even leaders, there were riots in cells inside PD... Many things...
Still they were registering... Dunno why, but they took it that registered as PD as mexican it will make them noticed by police... :) So guys payed money, we shared it on roleplay and salaries and support of noobs...
SA:MP server cannot hold such roleplay...
First of all they will start cry about 10.000$ and that Police is taking too much advantages...
Secondly they will call it racism and start topics on forums against racial cops...
Thirdly they will accuse cops in money hungry and suspect without reason...
And I am sure there would be more and more screaming and crying...
I am not talking about all sa:mp community as there are those who could run such event with no problems... But the problem is that there are several moaners who will ruin the whole idea and gossip/shit it on MSN's and on forums...
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LEts remember cops are just players like criminals on this server too, they moan too. Why is it all moaning situations are like 'criminal moan about cop' - When half the time the cops moan about it anyway.
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That depends on players... SA:MP community is full of some real life crap... They made Police very serious, with that came all accusations... They are greedy, with that some parts of roleplay are impossible...
Lets make example...
In my times of active playing and being the police chief (and it was far ago on other server) the police officers could earn 5000$ from the highest level criminal killing or 10000$ from jailing him... People were going on police work (and that was the ONE job in whole city) to gain some money... And NOBODY accused anybody in money hungry or whatever...
Then there was a try of players attack the Police Department with accusations in a corruption...
"Want corruption?" - I thought - "I will give you corruption" And made out the announcement from PD that all mexicans in Vice City should pass the registration... If they will not do, the PD considers it as illegal immigrants and has rights to suspect and jail... The registration cost 10 000$...
Ask yourself what would SA:MP moaners do if I would give such announcement here?
The first day PD has got a line with mexican skinned players... We earned money for PD... Later we went to some guy with electronic shop and ordered some stuff there also to the clothes shop and ordered there new uniforms... Imaginery, of cos...
Back to the mexicans... The next day they started demand their human rights (in different forms of forum posts), but I already united cops and said - lets rule it, as I got money from registrations we shared it within police department dudes... The riot started, was a lot of fight, chases, arrests, demonstrations, imaginery painting the VCPD walls with Mexican graffiti... Even those who played the black gangs, started spawning as mexicans...
I decided to involve another group - something like Army... National Guard... And asked for support and cooperation... So there was the whole server involved...
Mexicans were making demonstrations, accusing police in corruption, they had even leaders, there were riots in cells inside PD... Many things...
Still they were registering... Dunno why, but they took it that registered as PD as mexican it will make them noticed by police... :) So guys payed money, we shared it on roleplay and salaries and support of noobs...
SA:MP server cannot hold such roleplay...
First of all they will start cry about 10.000$ and that Police is taking too much advantages...
Secondly they will call it racism and start topics on forums against racial cops...
Thirdly they will accuse cops in money hungry and suspect without reason...
And I am sure there would be more and more screaming and crying...
I am not talking about all sa:mp community as there are those who could run such event with no problems... But the problem is that there are several moaners who will ruin the whole idea and gossip/shit it on MSN's and on forums...
Why focus on PD always then?
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Anybody seen that Southside Militia moan topic made by a cop?
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People like you, Jamal, are one of the many problems in Argonath SA:MP.
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Well, allow Jamal to retort.
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People like you, Jamal, are one of the many problems in Argonath SA:MP.
yeah you know a lot of shit because your a 'veteran' right? Please. dont give me your crap about how you've been negative against me since idont support you 'RP it' style of posting and how you troll every ideas topic with those things. You sound like a broken record replaying. How about you use your brain which i know you have - and tell me [in your opinion. I am not a problem here because you think i am, i'm just a problem to you. I could just as easily say your a problem to the server but it dont matter]
whats wrong with what i posted? So what if i made a rude comment. I'll remove my last part about you know who but i am not letting go of my opinion. If he has the balls to come to server and punish people for rulebreak, he leaves as admin and then no longer follows rules? well holy balls, sounds like its the true one which I had seen before and always liked. Maybe now he will release his true self to be another regular once again and continue to have some good constructive conversations, unlike someone who would post a bad thing about someone and negatively effect them.
JDC do you know you broke an argonath rule? Calling me a problem is disrespecting/provoking. therefore you also are a problem for rulebreaking.
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Why focus on PD always then?
Because our ZOMG roleplayers do not let the players to play on other roles, like taxi, medic, hooker... I am not talking even about imaginary situations like I described before...
But if that question was directed to the examples from the past - it is even more simple: I was a Chief of Police in long times ago on other server...
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People like you, Jamal, are one of the many problems in Argonath SA:MP.
Very correct and straight point...
But I do not think he got it... :D
To Jamal:
Do not like - fucking leave us... Will continue - I fucking will ban you...
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People like you, Jamal, are one of the many problems in Argonath SA:MP.
Something I might say about you too.
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Something I might say about you too.
You are also in that list, lol...
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Wow guys, you even brought Aragorn into the "Who's a problem" discussion ( :lol: ), I think you should stop it :neutral:
It's stupid just to call each others problems, but indeed there are someone that seem to try to destroy the experience of others :roll:
Why not make it how it was back then? I've nothing to compare this current Argonath to, I don't mind, it's still good enough for me.
The experience you got from the beginning of Argonath is very unique and probably remembered as the best time of Argonath, it has been for all of us. But true, Argonaths' SA:MP server has been less populated with rulebreakers, trolls and so on and more populated with good roleplayers.
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Wow guys, you even brought Aragorn into the "Who's a problem" discussion ( :lol: )
I am just trying to find the best way to tell moaners that they are moaners only without this word "moaners" as they do moan about word "moaners" itself and even the admin who pointed to moaners that they should stop moaning and he has already a clear knowledges, who are in a moaners list...
If I will stand in a choice - to moan them back or to ban them - I will choose the last one, as the first one does not work and makes them pissed off...
Probably some of them will understand how annoying can be moaning...
Phew...
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I am just trying to find the best way to tell moaners that they are moaners only without this word "moaners" as they do moan about word "moaners" itself and even the admin who pointed to moaners that they should stop moaning and he has already a clear knowledges, who are in a moaners list...
If I will stand in a choice - to moan them back or to ban them - I will choose the last one, as the first one does not work and makes them pissed off...
Probably some of them will understand how annoying can be moaning...
Phew...
Smart :razz:
Even though the word "moan" make me thinking pervertly.. :redface:
But I agree that it can be a good way ;)
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You are also in that list, lol...
Now I realised what a good troll you are.
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Very correct and straight point...
But I do not think he got it... :D
To Jamal:
Do not like - f**king leave us... Will continue - I f**king will ban you...
Sorry there but I did not say I didn't like argonath. Infact i DO like argonath. Is it really wrong to maybe complain something once in a while? If i am a problem here becaused i moaned, we are all problems because we ALL have moaned and there is no doubt.
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Is it really wrong to maybe complain something once in a while?
Yes, depending on how you do it.
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Now I realised what a good troll you are.
Face the professional...
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Sorry there but I did not say I didn't like argonath. Infact i DO like argonath. Is it really wrong to maybe complain something once in a while? If i am a problem here becaused i moaned, we are all problems because we ALL have moaned and there is no doubt.
You never showed any positive towards Argonath... All we see - your complains about everything... The one who were not complained by you - the birds in Bone County...
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I am just trying to find the best way to tell moaners that they are moaners only without this word "moaners" as they do moan about word "moaners" itself and even the admin who pointed to moaners that they should stop moaning and he has already a clear knowledges, who are in a moaners list...
If I will stand in a choice - to moan them back or to ban them - I will choose the last one, as the first one does not work and makes them pissed off...
Probably some of them will understand how annoying can be moaning...
Phew...
Also, how do you know that because i moaned once, i am a super moaner and i know all about moan and i will moan if you call me a moaner? I am not posting here to be an idiot or to just troll people around, I posted my input on the current topic of talk and I am suddenly a bad guy?
Yes, depending on how you do it.
I posted on a topic which is just a discussion really... The impact of me posting bad one time, does not really affect the server. I would understand if i did it a lot or in-game a lot like in /p like some stupids do.
You never showed any positive towards Argonath... All we see - your complains about everything... The one who were not complained by you - the birds in Bone County...
What do you mean I never showed any positive argonath? And 'my complaints and everything' how can you conjoin me with every other person who has posted a moan [virtually everyone]. If i didn't post in this topic, would you consider me a good player??
EDIT: and i hope no one feels the need to talk crap to me or reply to me unless i quoted and replies to them. I would not reply, only in this topic for what I am discussing now and who i am discussing with...
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Guy you already here on 17 pages and still no positive...
Wanna see it yourself? read your posts on your profile...
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Guy you already here on 17 pages and still no positive...
Wanna see it yourself? read your posts on your profile...
This is what I meant in my last post. This topic was negative from the start and it was basically turning into a moan topic by page 12. I see what you mean now and I am sorry for my postings, but what I said is what I feel. Just do not confuse, I am still very grateful for argonath itself and those who pay and work for it to be open, but I am human and like all, i take things for granted.
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I posted on a topic which is just a discussion really... The impact of me posting bad one time, does not really affect the server. I would understand if i did it a lot or in-game a lot like in /p like some stupids do.
You totally missed my point.
What i meant is, think about how you post it. Post it in a constructive way and not in a unconstructive way. Unconstractiv feedback will only piss off everyone that reads it and will not solve anything.
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Behind the door, should I open it for you...Could you be there, cause I'm the one who waits for you
Or are you unforgiven too?
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Found the topic
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=58258.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=58258.0)
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Found the topic
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=58258.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=58258.0)
Do we need this?! You posted a little shitty topic.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61265.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61265.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61184.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61184.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61046.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61046.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60875.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60875.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60676.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60676.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60868.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60868.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60843.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60843.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60754.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60754.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60364.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60364.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60309.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60309.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59633.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59633.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59531.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59531.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=58809.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=58809.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=58574.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=58574.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=58336.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=58336.0)
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Do we need this?! You posted a little shitty topic.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61265.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61265.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61184.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61184.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61046.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61046.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60875.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60875.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60676.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60676.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60868.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60868.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60843.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60843.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60754.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60754.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60364.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60364.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60309.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60309.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59633.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59633.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59531.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59531.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=58809.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=58809.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=58574.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=58574.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=58336.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=58336.0)
I busted out laughing, seriously.
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Do we need this?! You posted a little shitty topic.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61265.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61265.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61184.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61184.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61046.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61046.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60875.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60875.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60676.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60676.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60868.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60868.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60843.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60843.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60754.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60754.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60364.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60364.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60309.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60309.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59633.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59633.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59531.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59531.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=58809.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=58809.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=58574.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=58574.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=58336.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=58336.0)
I actually took my time reading them all. Am I okay?
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@Jamal:
Do not say that you love Argonath... as that is total bullshit when it comes from your mouth.
You never showed any positive towards Argonath... All we see - your complains about everything...
What you are doing is moaning about the community itself and even the people who stand by and defend Argonath from others like you... now where is the love of Argonath in that? There is no such thing as a person who loves a community that he moans and shits on.
I know very well the difference between people who are just a problem to me (i.e: people who hate JDC) and those people who are a problem to Argonath as well (the moaners and shitters). True, you qualify for both but I see you more as the latter... in fact RON already stated that point was correct.
So what if I broke the "no provoking" rule in your eyes? Boo-hoo for you, someone can't face the facts. Do not use one little mistake by a moderator as a scapegoat to cover up your numerous incidents of moaning on this community and those who support it.
I am a moderator, I am imperfect, I may cause some problems, and I make many mistakes... but I still have the better agenda; to be one of those people who stands by Argonath and its vision, rather than one who points at it and moans.
If a comparison between people who stick up for Argonath and the moaners ensues, then I can say that we (the former) are the lesser problem... go and fix yourselves first.
And Jamal, if you love the server, stop bullshitting, prove it and wise up (tl;dr: start using your brain)... maybe then you will be less of a problem.
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Maybe for him sitting on Argonath and shitting it is the biggest show of love? :)
I wonder what is he telling to his girlfriend...
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This is what I meant in my last post. This topic was negative from the start and it was basically turning into a moan topic by page 12.
There is no any positive topic for you anyways on Argonath... Visiting abusive Argonath with noob players and meany admins - being masochist... Like that?
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I actually took my time reading them all. Am I okay?
Oh, the children of sarcasm.
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Maybe for him sitting on Argonath and shitting it is the biggest show of love? :)
I wonder what is he telling to his girlfriend...
hey there. Stop trying to pick a fight with me. I already said sorry for what I said and was a mis understanding by me because I read what you said wrong, and you still come back to offend me? And you see JDC provoking and flaming me also i suppose?
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Oh, the children of sarcasm.
It was funny if I would be joking. I'm not.
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@Jamal:
Do not say that you love Argonath... as that is total bullshit when it comes from your mouth.
What you are doing is moaning about the community itself and even the people who stand by and defend Argonath from others like you... now where is the love of Argonath in that? There is no such thing as a person who loves a community that he moans and shits on.
I know very well the difference between people who are just a problem to me (i.e: people who hate JDC) and those people who are a problem to Argonath as well (the moaners and shitters). True, you qualify for both but I see you more as the latter... in fact RON already stated that point was correct.
So what if I broke the "no provoking" rule in your eyes? Boo-hoo for you, someone can't face the facts. Do not use one little mistake by a moderator as a scapegoat to cover up your numerous incidents of moaning on this community and those who support it.
I am a moderator, I am imperfect, I may cause some problems, and I make many mistakes... but I still have the better agenda; to be one of those people who stands by Argonath and its vision, rather than one who points at it and moans.
If a comparison between people who stick up for Argonath and the moaners ensues, then I can say that we (the former) are the lesser problem... go and fix yourselves first.
And Jamal, if you love the server, stop bullshitting, prove it and wise up (tl;dr: start using your brain)... maybe then you will be less of a problem.
how about you shut the hell up? You ask me to use my brain but i dont even think you have one. I said i would not be making constructive replies to anyone but aragorn because i wasnt talking to anyone but aragorn(until this point). And I would not even think to read another reply from you considering it would just say the same crap. Bye.
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It was funny if I would be joking. I'm not.
Who said it was funny in the first place?
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Because our ZOMG roleplayers do not let the players to play on other roles, like taxi, medic, hooker... I am not talking even about imaginary situations like I described before...
So why not start showing support for smaller / newer / fresh ideas of roleplay?
*Cough* Rescue Job *Cough*
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hey there. Stop trying to pick a fight with me. I already said sorry for what I said and was a mis understanding by me because I read what you said wrong, and you still come back to offend me? And you see JDC provoking and flaming me also i suppose?
how about you shut the hell up? You ask me to use my brain but i dont even think you have one. I said i would not be making constructive replies to anyone but aragorn because i wasnt talking to anyone but aragorn(until this point). And I would not even think to read another reply from you considering it would just say the same crap. Bye.
As I said... someone who cannot face the facts. All I see is an immature kid who can't see that the moderator is right and tries to hide behind the Owner, and who tries to kiss Owner's ass while treating everyone outside of the High Administration like a shit.
I'm sure you also do realize that RON has already read my posts. :)
Do not wait until you get banned... you still haven't fixed your attitude.
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Who said it was funny in the first place?
I'm talking about the sarcasm part, not the funny part, smartass.
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As I said... someone who cannot face the facts. All I see is an immature kid who can't see that the moderator is right and tries to hide behind the Owner, and who tries to kiss Owner's ass while treating everyone outside of the High Administration like a shit.
I'm sure you also do realize that RON has already read my posts. :)
Do not wait until you get banned... you still haven't fixed your attitude.
ok
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I'm talking about the sarcasm part, not the funny part, smartass.
Who said it was sarcastic?
Maybe its true. its OK, I believe you. Some of us just have problems. Nothing insolvable.
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Jamal, you've just got what you were looking for... JDC is the one who is not lazy to answer you in your way and even trying to explain you things... Ask yourself, if all whom you pissed off will start posting to you as well... You will just leave for sure with new accusations of Argonath does not respect you...
The same goes on Argonath... Sitting some moaners and cannot find other things to do as to show that they have no life... And here I do not even mean the real life, but the virtual one...
You should understand one thing - life is a very complicated, there are millions of people, and they are not your mother/father who will be always standing behind you... If you are upset - make friends... Do not make enemies... thats the main problem of teenagers...
But it will pass... After some years...
I myself was the great fighter to this world in my teen age... But I was always a lucky bastard in this life...
That is why I suggest you to stop moaning (and here i am telling it openly already) and to start do what the real man does: "build a house, set a tree and grow a son"...
That was just a saying... Hope you will understand this message...
I know I am talking many times on some strange language, and its not English/Russian/Dutch, but at least it can help you to see things differently from what the usual parent can suggest (Do not do this, do not do that, etc.)
And JDC I want to ask to stop to answer to him... Lets see if he can find out himself anything...
If not - then i will just wash my hands...
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And JDC I want to ask to stop to answer to him... Lets see if he can find out himself anything...
If not - then i will just wash my hands...
Very well then. :)
I hope he understands your post.
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You still didn't get it Curse ? RP is dead and actually playing on Argo with that level of roleplay gives same emotions like while mushrooming.
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You still didn't get it Curse ? RP is dead and actually playing on Argo with that level of roleplay gives same emotions like while mushrooming.
What are you still doing here then?
Why don't you leave if you don't like it?
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I was just bored and I said my opinion . Do you mind ?
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Jamal, you've just got what you were looking for... JDC is the one who is not lazy to answer you in your way and even trying to explain you things... Ask yourself, if all whom you pissed off will start posting to you as well... You will just leave for sure with new accusations of Argonath does not respect you...
The same goes on Argonath... Sitting some moaners and cannot find other things to do as to show that they have no life... And here I do not even mean the real life, but the virtual one...
You should understand one thing - life is a very complicated, there are millions of people, and they are not your mother/father who will be always standing behind you... If you are upset - make friends... Do not make enemies... thats the main problem of teenagers...
But it will pass... After some years...
I myself was the great fighter to this world in my teen age... But I was always a lucky bastard in this life...
That is why I suggest you to stop moaning (and here i am telling it openly already) and to start do what the real man does: "build a house, set a tree and grow a son"...
That was just a saying... Hope you will understand this message...
I know I am talking many times on some strange language, and its not English/Russian/Dutch, but at least it can help you to see things differently from what the usual parent can suggest (Do not do this, do not do that, etc.)
And JDC I want to ask to stop to answer to him... Lets see if he can find out himself anything...
If not - then i will just wash my hands...
Sir aragorn. Ignoring everything we've had bad about each other, ignoring everything we said about each other - I want to give my part and I hope not to get an answer similar to 'stop, shut up.' I was actually happy to see JDC had a constructive post but if I were to reply we would end up flaming each other worse.
I never literally said 'argonath is sucky' or anything close to it. I critisized something on the server. We all have done it. [Will get onto something about this soon] I did not specifically say the server was bad, I was giving a hard opinion on a topic about the server. I had no intention to personally flame you, Gandalf, or anyone else on the server. I had the intention to give my opinion on an open discussion about something I found important. Then you posted, very harsh post in my opinion, probably just to match my post - I would do the same thing. BUT then you started taking my words and twisting them, by mistake I suppose, and started saying I was a bad player and should just leave or whatever. I have no intention to leave the server. Its great. I just had a problem so i discussed it, and then you started saying I was having 'no any positive for argonath' even though I just got done apologizing for what I had said.
If all were to reply whom i'd pissed off, I would be glad to discuss with them. I could care less if some players hate me, Infact I would love it if they hate me so they can show what an idiot they are to troll me all day long and see everything i say as a bad thing...Not going to say who i am talking about anyway because they will have nonsense posts replies as I've already seen (no, not talking about aragorn).
What i was saying earlier. you know what makes me confused? You see me as a guy who's post procedure is 'shit on everything' because of 2 posts? That isnt fair! I have posted a lot of good about argonath, and sure obviously I have posted some things i have a problem with. Not one time did I say argonath is bad or that I shit on everything like you think i do.
ALSO - How you seen people who moan about things on the server in a such way ''Moaners and moaning have ruined this server'' this is a negative thing and they are basically saying argonath is no good because of moaners. You may or may not have seen this, but it sure is a negative to argonath itself. Why do you not critisize some of those players too? Call them people who shit on the server all the time. I could get only 3 minutes and find a post which is saying argonath is ruined by moaners. Yeah this is true and IT IS an opinion - just like what I had posted. And just like what I had posted, it is a critic of argonath. JDC you seem to like to pull that quote. How about you defend yourself on this? or do you feel like crapping out your mouth saying bad about me. but you flame and provoke me and just say 'so' so what if i flame the server and say 'so' ??? you gonna cry to me when i do that but you can do flame and provoke?
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You still didn't get it Curse ? RP is dead and actually playing on Argo with that level of roleplay gives same emotions like while mushrooming.
Bullshit.
The roleplay has never died out completely... it's only people like you who say it has.
RP has been in Argonath since the beginning, and it is still here today... whereas moaners who say bullshit like "RP is dead!" have not.
@Jamal:
RON has requested me to stop replying to you, so I will only comment on certain statements... as for the rest, I'm pretty much sure he is more than capable of pointing out the problems everything else you did and posted.
When we say that "moaners have ruined the server", we in no way implied that Argonath is a no-good community because of the moaners.
We were talking about the atmosphere... take a look at Argonath before and after the rise of the moaners. The atmosphere before was definitely much more damned pleasant as all the players were focusing on was fun, friendship, roleplay, and helping each other. Now, there is moaning as one of the top five things players focus on these days. See the difference?
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after the rise of the moaners. The atmosphere before was definitely much more damned pleasant as all the players were focusing on was fun, friendship, roleplay, and helping each other. Now, there is moaning as one of the top five things players focus on these days. See the difference?
With an increased count of players/registered members moaning increases also, what did you expect?
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Bullshit.
The roleplay has never died out completely... it's only people like you who say it has.
Bullshit.
If you call it roleplay , you should really think about it.
Cop pursuits you , then you pull over and say what's going on . THen he just says "/gu" . And if you ask "Excuse me ?" He starts to penetrate your ass . This is one of serious reasons why RP died there.
This is simply screening of popular roleplay on Argo . Enjoy
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4416/38294548.jpg)
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If you call it roleplay , you should really think about it.
Maybe you should open your eye, stop to only look at the negative part. There is ALOT of roleplay going on, but you will never see it with tunnel vision.
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I am not blind , it's just my personal opinion about Argo SAMP. I played on argo enough to figure out on Argo SAMP aren't any gram of Roleplay. I am not talking about everyone . Some people were great , but that wasn't enough to stay there .
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@Lik
I guess you don't know what's actual role-play.
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Argo SAMP aren't any gram of Roleplay.
As i said, you should stop watching with tunnel vision.
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Bullshit.
The roleplay has never died out completely... it's only people like you who say it has.
RP has been in Argonath since the beginning, and it is still here today... whereas moaners who say bullshit like "RP is dead!" have not.
@Jamal:
RON has requested me to stop replying to you, so I will only comment on certain statements... as for the rest, I'm pretty much sure he is more than capable of pointing out the problems everything else you did and posted.
When we say that "moaners have ruined the server", we in no way implied that Argonath is a no-good community because of the moaners.
We were talking about the atmosphere... take a look at Argonath before and after the rise of the moaners. The atmosphere before was definitely much more damned pleasant as all the players were focusing on was fun, friendship, roleplay, and helping each other. Now, there is moaning as one of the top five things players focus on these days. See the difference?
Moaners Ruined this server
Moaners ruined this server
Ruined this server
Ruined server.
You indeed are applying a negative thing about the server. Also its funny, you have your own form to post: _____ like you have _____
All the time your too busy blaming people instead of fixing it yourself... I will be sure you say ' I have tried!' or even 'I have!' well the continue, and stop posting it, otherwise your moaning. And i know you hate moaning and rulebreaking so why do it yourself?
Aragorn, this is over a different discussion so I think he could post, And I hope he does.
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Bullshit.
If you call it roleplay , you should really think about it.
Cop pursuits you , then you pull over and say what's going on . THen he just says "/gu" . And if you ask "Excuse me ?" He starts to penetrate your ass . This is one of serious reasons why RP died there.
This is simply screening of popular roleplay on Argo . Enjoy
Why the hell are you posting here then ?
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Why the hell are you posting here then ?
He's a troll that secretly wants to play Argonath, a little like Daco. Maybe you should check out his ban history :razz:
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MTA:VC Argonath was the most popular server in the golden age of MTA:VC, yet moanrathons never escalated to intolerable levels.
I hope Aragorn does not give us the green light to purge the community of moaners...
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MTA:VC Argonath was the most popular server in the golden age of MTA:VC, yet moanrathons never escalated to intolerable levels.
MTA:VC had twenty players on a good day during this 'golden age' and even then I can think of a few people who would today be called moaners...
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26* players... and yes, we had few moaners. They were tolerable.
If there's a solution I see that can alleviate the problem of moaning in the community, then the admin team holds the power and potential to do so.
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26* players... and yes, we had few moaners. They were tolerable.
If there's a solution I see that can alleviate the problem of moaning in the community, then the admin team holds the power and potential to do so.
MTA:VC was rarely full, even at peak times... Even when ASE was still there.
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MTA:VC was rarely full, even at peak times... Even when ASE was still there.
You're too new I guess.
I remember admins being forced to kick AFK people to free up slots.
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You're too new I guess.
I remember admins being forced to kick AFK people to free up slots.
It's not that I'm too new, I was here well before you left for like eight months on MTA:VC during your time as community leader. We did reach full capacity at times, but it was only really during events with occasionally the server being full when an event wasn't on. I can only recall the server being full just once after ASE shut down and that in itself was more than two years ago. The point I'm trying to make is that there is no correlation between the number of alledged moaners to which multiplayer game is being played. MTA:VC isn't to be regarded as some sort of holy grail as it was no where near as scenic as people like to make out that it was. The main point of it in my opinion is that it provided a foundation of role play for today's more senior players who are the ones directly responsible for directing the current players towards the original Argonath Vision.
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As said, Violet you are too new. At least when it comes what I consider as the golden age of MTA:VC was the time, when the community leaders were in fact Aragorn and Gandalf, when there were also active such players as Frodo, Kaltsu, Crimson, Janek, +PzP+9r2e5i0, Watti, P3T3Y and such players and then there were quite often situations where people were asking for example Kaltsu to kick any person who seemed remotely AFK and then the Queue for getting into server was like 3-5 people.
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Bullshit.
If you call it roleplay , you should really think about it.
Cop pursuits you , then you pull over and say what's going on . THen he just says "/gu" . And if you ask "Excuse me ?" He starts to penetrate your ass . This is one of serious reasons why RP died there.
This is simply screening of popular roleplay on Argo . Enjoy
Then why the fuck are you still here then?
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As said, Violet you are too new. At least when it comes what I consider as the golden age of MTA:VC was the time, when the community leaders were in fact Aragorn and Gandalf, when there were also active such players as Frodo, Kaltsu, Crimson, Janek, +PzP+9r2e5i0, Watti, P3T3Y and such players and then there were quite often situations where people were asking for example Kaltsu to kick any person who seemed remotely AFK and then the Queue for getting into server was like 3-5 people.
You just proved my point - there's a person in that list that would be considered a moaner today.
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You just proved my point - there's a person in that list that would be considered a moaner today.
And that would be?
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lol You expect the server levels to rise, pretty much from what JDC Said, 5x to 6x, even 7x (150+ players on SA:MP lately) and you expect no moaning? If there was so little members on at a time the server could easily be peaceful because it would be like a little community where every member was a larger part than it is now. with over so many registered, if you dont like the moan fix it yourself other than posting about it or leave the server because with more members comes more problems.
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lol You expect the server levels to rise, pretty much from what JDC Said, 5x to 6x, even 7x (150+ players on SA:MP lately) and you expect no moaning? If there was so little members on at a time the server could easily be peaceful because it would be like a little community where every member was a larger part than it is now. with over so many registered, if you dont like the moan fix it yourself other than posting about it or leave the server because with more members comes more problems.
What you do not understand is that on MTA:VC we were 10x or more stricter on players.
If you think Aragorn posts harsh words here, you should see chat logs from 2006. ;)
MTA:VC had a very strict policy on swearing and flaming, and absolute zero tolerance, including on using it in RP. Some times we wish to go back to that...
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What you do not understand is that on MTA:VC we were 10x or more stricter on players.
If you think Aragorn posts harsh words here, you should see chat logs from 2006. ;)
MTA:VC had a very strict policy on swearing and flaming, and absolute zero tolerance, including on using it in RP. Some times we wish to go back to that...
Please do :).
People think they are tough by using swear on every single comment of their on /p.
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What you do not understand is that on MTA:VC we were 10x or more stricter on players.
If you think Aragorn posts harsh words here, you should see chat logs from 2006. ;)
MTA:VC had a very strict policy on swearing and flaming, and absolute zero tolerance, including on using it in RP. Some times we wish to go back to that...
Not to mention many SA:MP Administration members were trained to be more lenient than MTA:VC standards.
If you think SA:MP Admins are super-strict, you should see those who survived from MTA:VC.
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@Lik
I guess you don't know what's actual role-play.
Assuming a role, being consistent with the role and playing the role to the best of your abilities.
'/l /gu now' is not the best of your abilities. Neither is getting into discussions on /p while doing fuckall (standing around at Pershing) as an FBI division chief.
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Assuming a role,
ok
being consistent with the role
not necessarily
and playing the role to the best of your abilities.
applies more for acting than playing an online game.
'/l /gu now' is not the best of your abilities. Neither is getting into discussions on /p while doing f**kall (standing around at Pershing) as an FBI division chief.
It's a game. On Argonath you can safely assume that your character is AWARE that he's in a GAME, no requirement here to be all realistic.
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Assuming a role, being consistent with the role and playing the role to the best of your abilities.
I guess I am not a very good role player by your standards then.
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"It's a game."
Role-play
- To refer to the playing of roles generally such as in a theater, or educational setting;
- To refer to taking a role of an existing character or person and acting it out with a partner taking someone elses role, often involving different genres of practice
applies more for acting than playing an online game.
You are playing a game, and by using the game you have the possibility to play a role. Therefore "it's a game" argument is no longer valid.
It's a game. On Argonath you can safely assume that your character is AWARE that he's in a GAME, no requirement here to be all realistic.
Your character is your character, you are roleplaying a character. Here you are saying the character role is someone who knows he's in some game and he doesn't need to be realistic. Makes sense? I'll let you answer that yourself provided you have a good argument to justify it.
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@Jingle
You're not even making logical points.
This is not an theatre or educational facility.
You don't role-play existing characters here, you play non-existent/fictional/made up characters.
You completely dropped the point in your quote that computer games are listed separately from the two above points.
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I'm very happy to see server capacity exceeding 150 players as it demonstrates the popularity of this community over others. All players deserve gratitude for their contribution to the community as it grows organically and globally. Taking a step back, I can see that the majority of people who consistently expose every loophole to complain, hail from a failed migration to another server. These people couldn't cut it elsewhere through their failure to live up to the expected standard for IC/OOC and returned to Argonath only to preach of underlearned values. These people in question are continuously scoping to retrofit this learning into their Argonath style of RP. As a result, groups are ever growingly enforcing IC/OOC principles within their internal structure and instructing their members to use it on others. If the respondent fails to comply, they are instructed to ignore that player citing they are too inexperienced to continue. As the enforcement grows, the influential vibe associated with it strengthens into the new player base in particular. As a result, we are seeing an influx of players using IC/OOC principles while the older generation continue to question with wholehearted concern for the sustainability of older traditions.
To spark a fire, when a question arises around IC/OOC - two parties divulge into army battalions with one demonstrating the benefits IC/OOC bring and the other detesting it. The third party is a set of people who merged both the Argonath vision of RP and IC/OOC principles. They are the unsung heroes of Argonath maintaining a neutral stance and adopting to the style in front of them. As the platoons clash - new, regular and veterans players (mentored by IC/OOC agents) engage in head to head confrontation with the 'golden age' of Argonath. As the battles rage on, the need for clarification becomes more attractive in solving this long standing dispute. The perpetrators of where IC/OOC originates from remain operational yet are challenging to pinpoint as the mist of IC/OOC continues to converge and cover their tracks. All these discussions, disagreements and ill will towards each other stems from this differing view and until it is stamped out we are unlikely to emerge from this darkness that surrounds a troublesome minority. Whilst I accept that IC/OOC brings a new and refreshing RP methodology, I cannot and refuse to accept that it should be overcoming the unique Argonath methodology of RP and the culture that it has driven to date. What is most important moving forward is that we don't allow this to evolve into a discussion around double standards otherwise we are entering dangerous and unchartered terrority...
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The third party is a set of people who merged both the Argonath vision of RP and IC/OOC principles. They are the unsung heroes of Argonath maintaining a neutral stance and adopting to the style in front of them.
In English (:lol:), the best roleplayer is one who can accept different forms (or rules - inb4Aragorn) of roleplay.
That's why i9 won best roleplay group of 2009. They were easily able to adapt to the two forms (rules - inb4Aragornagain) when they were confronted with people from both groups. More so the IC/OOC users, because the Non-IC/OOC users tend to have more of an insulting and prejudicial attitude towards those who even have a hint of IC/OOC, whether it's their primary form (or rule - inb4Aragornx3) or not.
The word "roleplay" and any other forms of it might as well be considered derogatory now, considering the mentioning of the word instantaneously sparks an argument.
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The third party is a set of people who merged both the Argonath vision of RP and IC/OOC principles. They are the unsung heroes of Argonath maintaining a neutral stance and adopting to the style in front of them.
Wise words, mate. Wise words.
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Wise words, mate. Wise words.
Time for you and me to change our signatures to that quote.
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Wonder if people who dont agree with people who have the same opinion as frank will post against frank. If not, i will laugh to know they are only posting for personal reasons, not for what the persons saying.
Frank, you must tell me - What is your IQ level? It always seems your posting at great capacities and have inputs that are [not trying to say their generic] always the normal person's opinion, yes we all have one, but how we express it is different. Frank happens to give his opinion in the best and most formal manner. Its amazing he does not get angered like everyone on this server, almost as if he is a computer without emotions :razz:
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Wonder if people who dont agree with people who have the same opinion as frank will post against frank. If not, i will laugh to know they are only posting for personal reasons, not for what the persons saying.
Frank, you must tell me - What is your IQ level? It always seems your posting at great capacities and have inputs that are [not trying to say their generic] always the normal person's opinion, yes we all have one, but how we express it is different. Frank happens to give his opinion in the best and most formal manner. Its amazing he does not get angered like everyone on this server, almost as if he is a computer without emotions :razz:
Frank has devotedly domesticated his delicate skill of displaying discontent beyond anything imaginable in a much more acceptable and appropriate manner than people comparable to my standards have. By people related to my standards, it is by the very doing of said individuals, whom collectively define the dubious masses of the populous, whom refer to this aforementioned deftness as "trolling," that this global distribution of interconnected, digitalized data-processed entities delivers unsurpassed drollery - daringly disturbing and disrupting dispensable developments of decorum.
But I digress... I wouldn't expect the majority of the feeble minded populous of the Argonath RPG community to understand the true nature behind my actions alone in contrast to Frank's.
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The third party is a set of people who merged both the Argonath vision of RP and IC/OOC principles. They are the unsung heroes of Argonath maintaining a neutral stance and adopting to the style in front of them.
Haha I'm sorry, I saw this quote in a sig and just had to come and tell you that this group of people are the ones who fucked up this community and continue to, in their selfish ways, drive it to the ground in every way possible.
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Haha I'm sorry, I saw this quote in a sig and just had to come and tell you that this group of people are the ones who f**ked up this community and continue to, in their selfish ways, drive it to the ground in every way possible.
You are the one who is fucking up the community and continuing to do so with your constant fucking moaning, provoking and harassment of players.
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You are the one who is f**king up the community and continuing to do so with your constant f**king moaning, provoking and harassment of players.
hey i like how you just said the same thing as me but changed a few words around - proves how intelligent and creative you are
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hey i like how you just said the same thing as me but changed a few words around - proves how intelligent and creative you are
That was the entire point. Really shows how intelligent you are.
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lol. Alas, since I joined this server Giac you preached about how bad moaners and flamers were, and how you loved being an admin so much and boasted about everything good, and like i somehow figured would eventually come, your no longer admin and are now going in a downward spiral to what you once despised.
tl;dr: hypocritical player who has balls to ban people for what he does now, but is also human and does make mistakes. This is just one of them.
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Haha I'm sorry, I saw this quote in a sig and just had to come and tell you that this group of people are the ones who f**ked up this community and continue to, in their selfish ways, drive it to the ground in every way possible.
So I'm faking up the community, cause I adjust myself to the way of how other person is roleplaying, and not doing something like /L ((OMG U TARD u metagame)), or /L ROFL SRS ROLEPLAYER, GTFO from Argo nubz .
Also, you should really seek help about your behavior toward everyone.
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I acknowledge the fact that Giac's behavior has some problems, some even noted by high administration.
However, I'd like to point out that he is one of those people most loyal to Argonath, as opposed to some other problematic people who just stay here, shit on everything, and try to merge the IC/OOC with Argonath culture.
As RON said, we don't bring our rules to other servers... so keep them out of here.
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I'd like to point out that he is one of those people most loyal to Argonath
Loyal doesn't always mean right.
People can be loyal to something, but still do it in their own ways.
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LOL, you guys think I don't know how I act? Have you noticed a pattern in the types of people my outbursts are directed at? Oh, right - the idiotic RLRPers who think they can come to Argonath and take shit over.
Seriously, fuck off from this server.
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Temper, temper everyone
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Giac may make mistakes in his rage but most of his points are right.
People who drag in rules from other places have no place here.
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LOL, you guys think I don't know how I act? Have you noticed a pattern in the types of people my outbursts are directed at? Oh, right - the idiotic RLRPers who think they can come to Argonath and take shit over.
Seriously, f**k off from this server.
Name me one , who's currently active. Or several for that meter.
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Personally, I believe moaners have a much more detrimental effect on the server than do those who adapt to other methods of roleplay. Clearly, they are exhibiting symptoms of some kind of psychological disorder. Why constantly look for problems to fight against when there aren't any..? This is normal for teenagers though, so please excuse the ones who do this..
In other words, the two or four little brackets don't do as much damage as does the constant moaning about them.
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People who drag in rules from other places have no place here.
Yeah, you should disrespect those bad mangs who put in NO CHEATING and NO DEATHMATCHING rules from other places.
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LOL, you guys think I don't know how I act? Have you noticed a pattern in the types of people my outbursts are directed at? Oh, right - the idiotic RLRPers who think they can come to Argonath and take shit over.
Seriously, f**k off from this server.
You're thoughts are so much clouded with Argonath Vision you forgot where is the door to reality.
The risk of going Hosted and other features such as advertisement on other sites etc brought more and more players.Surely you didn't think everything would be peachy and everyone will accept what you enforce?Go in game, enforce Argonath Vision and see how much people accept it.
Gimli said it nicely:
In other words, the two or four little brackets don't do as much damage as does the constant moaning about them.
Telling someone to f**k off because he uses "(())" while RPing with you?Its a tyrant behavior.
I see Frank_Hawk using OOC/IC technique sometimes. Sure, he should f**k off because he uses it.
The problem is, you don't resemble enforcing from pure will.
I see so many shit regarding players such as myself, just because of some past unsatisfied players who came here and said " Oh this needs /b to be RP server, TOGGLE /P CHAT ffs command, I can't RP right". We are getting all the critics because of them and their style of RP.
The most famous one:
"I left Argonath cuz of non RP moaners"
I mean what do you expect? Those people are STILL here. They didn't move away. Its like Argonath is a drug.
Then they go to RLRP server, fail to live up to their expectations there then come back and bad girl again.
We use this thread to throw shit at each other and server goes by normal. What do we have from this thread?
Lets line up all those who RP at Argonath and assemble player files by those who RP without brackets and with brackets.I means seriously, can't you just adapt rather then moan around about this and that?
Those people don't know what RP is. Leave the golden age talk aside because some of us here don't RP since yesterday.
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Personally, I believe moaners have a much more detrimental effect on the server than do those who adapt to other methods of roleplay. Clearly, they are exhibiting symptoms of some kind of psychological disorder. Why constantly look for problems to fight against when there aren't any..? This is normal for teenagers though, so please excuse the ones who do this..
In other words, the two or four little brackets don't do as much damage as does the constant moaning about them.
2 for 2 SA:MP Community Leaders have now accused me of having mental problems.
GG respect.
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2 for 2 SA:MP Community Leaders have now accused me of having mental problems.
GG respect.
To correct you, a Community Leader doesn't have a specific division. ( SA:MP as you mentioned, is a part of it ) And there are more then 2, I think you forgot Mr. Agent / Legolas and Mr. Kojak / Elrond ( from what I remember ) :)
The way a player roleplayes is the players decision, there are no 'rules' for how you are supposed to roleplay. Brackets or not, you may be a very good roleplayer. My point is, there are of those whom are/have been playing on a more "RLRP" server and came here, thought we have a better community and connection and decided to stay.. Still using his RP methods from his old server where he learned that double brackets meant OOC. While 'original' Argonath players have learned that it doesn't matter..
Argonath is not only a roleplay server with a red line between all it's players, it is also a place where people group up to enforce RLRP, or the other way around..
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Long text...
Aragorn has said fuck off to OOC/IC.
Aragorn says, it's law. Simple.
You as an admin should be well aware of this. As should all other admins (including me and moderators).
As for Violet, you say you know much about mta:vc "old days". Sorry, but you know far less than you proclaim. The fact that afk people was kicked often to give room for active players is an fact, not an lie. I am talking about 2006-2007 here.
Another fact also remains, the OOC/IC was brought in by other players, who originally wished to enforce it. Again this is about the first non-mta:vc visitors. By that I mean completly new Argonath players. And as such, this passed onto the general base, and then became some wierd sort of tradition among players, that seem to think OOC/IC is an official rule on Argonath.
We are against it simply because it causes more troubles than it causes happiness.
Flaming then claiming it was just OOC/IC.
Confusing new players and giving them an ideal/rule that Argonath is not officially supporting.
While I do see that we do this I am going to mention now in an reverse, so do the OOC/IC players:
Shutting out players/discriminating players based because they can't OOC/IC or don't want to.
I conclude this with that not every single OOC/IC player are doing this.
GiacJr, you may be loyal, but you seriosly need to calm down with that exsessive swearing. Have you manners at all? I do not know what problems you have. But take it as advice. Calm down before you get yourself in trouble.
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2 for 2 SA:MP Community Leaders have now accused me of having mental problems.
GG respect.
First of all, I did not directly mention your name. Secondly, this is based on topics like this (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61249.0) which aren't constructive at all, especially when you swear and go crazy.. You just look for problems on purpose and then have tantrums over them, e.g. requesting a limo 11 times and then moan about it not coming.. Go and drive one yourself.
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Giac, very honestly.
Why do you care so much about this IC/OOC subject? If you do not want to use it, don't do it.
It's not required and it will never be.
You accuse others of fucking up this community, but recently I've seen YOU crying about things aswell.
You used to have a lot of power in Argonath, SAPD higher ranked and you was an admin, now you lost those things and it looks like you get crazy because you lost the "control" of most of the things.
Recent weeks you have been constantly bragging about the fact that Argonath is shit, then I want to ask JDC is that means that GiacJr is the "most loyal member of Argonath"?
Not really, it's just you two who fight against changes which do not harm anything unless it's being forced.
When it gets forced, just report that to an administrator as it's not a rule or just leave the RP.
It's not such a big deal.
And sorry if anything did offend you in person, but it's just what I notice...
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2 for 2 SA:MP Community Leaders have now accused me of having mental problems.
GG respect.
Well, Its nice to see your not posting to be an azz and your standing by your opinion. I can respect that.
Maybe those '2 for 2' are right about something, maybe not mental problems, but some issue. You seem to think (( )) has ruined the server or something? 'zomg wtf use new rp style other than /me everything leading to confusion a lot of times? HOLY WEUHIWAQayhuwkwa7hidsadsfuhnf'lksfaijk'
I acknowledge the fact that Giac's behavior has some problems, some even noted by high administration.
However, I'd like to point out that he is one of those people most loyal to Argonath, as opposed to some other problematic people who just stay here, shit on everything, and try to merge the IC/OOC with Argonath culture.
As RON said, we don't bring our rules to other servers... so keep them out of here.
I hope your not saying it because Giac is an older player. I see sometimes its like MTA:VC argonath players are all golden. Constantly you hear about 'zomg MTA:VC' sure it could be a nice place, but some players have a confusion that anyone from MTAVC was like a member of some elite group of good guys. You can even still see it now, some people label themselves as MTA:VC argonath players and then pull it out of their ass to make a point, which is 100% invalid anyway because the situations are completely different now, stated by Gandalf and others, such as more strict ruling over rulebreakers (Which would be great for SA:MP... hose out the rulebreakers) and not as many players as it is now.
Onto another thing: JDC you hate me for moaning and shit on 1 topic, and you still can be nice with giac after what he is doing? Do I need to spell out what I'm saying..
Aragorn has said f**k off to OOC/IC.
Would like to see a quote where he says its not allowed. From what I remember he said there is no IC/OOC in the server meaning its not supported by the server.
Aragorn says, it's law. Simple.
You as an admin should be well aware of this. As should all other admins (including me and moderators).
As for Violet, you say you know much about mta:vc "old days". Sorry, but you know far less than you proclaim. The fact that afk people was kicked often to give room for active players is an fact, not an lie. I am talking about 2006-2007 here.
Another fact also remains, the OOC/IC was brought in by other players, who originally wished to enforce it. Again this is about the first non-mta:vc visitors. By that I mean completly new Argonath players. And as such, this passed onto the general base, and then became some wierd sort of tradition among players, that seem to think OOC/IC is an official rule on Argonath.
Tradition? Its a form of roleplaying, not a bandwagon of people. I could just as easily say /me is a form of roleplay people wish to enforce, but since it was used in the 'old days' its golden and mighty?[Just as an example of how I saw your post, not my actual opinion] Its not like suddenly people said 'oh lets make IC/OOC here! It just happened because that was a style of roleplay people knew and liked to use. NOT ONE TIME EVER did someone try to claim its a real rule to use it and how its supported in argonath.
We are against it simply because it causes more troubles than it causes happiness.
Flaming then claiming it was just OOC/IC.
Confusing new players and giving them an ideal/rule that Argonath is not officially supporting.
Give a Pro/Con sheet. Seems you just looked at the bad and assumed about it.
While I do see that we do this I am going to mention now in an reverse, so do the OOC/IC players:
Shutting out players/discriminating players based because they can't OOC/IC or don't want to.
I conclude this with that not every single OOC/IC player are doing this.
GiacJr, you may be loyal, but you seriosly need to calm down with that exsessive swearing. Have you manners at all? I do not know what problems you have. But take it as advice. Calm down before you get yourself in trouble.
Agreed
Giac, very honestly.
Why do you care so much about this IC/OOC subject? If you do not want to use it, don't do it.
It's not required and it will never be.
You accuse others of f**king up this community, but recently I've seen YOU crying about things aswell.
You used to have a lot of power in Argonath, SAPD higher ranked and you was an admin, now you lost those things and it looks like you get crazy because you lost the "control" of most of the things.
Recent weeks you have been constantly bragging about the fact that Argonath is shit, then I want to ask JDC is that means that GiacJr is the "most loyal member of Argonath"?
Not really, it's just you two who fight against changes which do not harm anything unless it's being forced.
When it gets forced, just report that to an administrator as it's not a rule or just leave the RP.
It's not such a big deal.
And sorry if anything did offend you in person, but it's just what I notice...
YYEEEESSSS!!!! Nexxt that is exactly how I feel.
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I'm at a loss for words...and I am furthermore in shock that you guys are fine to sit back and allow these RLRP guys to take over our server...
I resigned from my admin position because I lost faith in the leaders of the admin team...
Think about it. Why would I throw 4 years worth of work out the window over some moaners? Yeah...I wouldn't.
Argonath, get your shit sorted and your priorities straight. I am a broken, lost man who's faith has been demolished. Learn from my mistakes. Fight harder and more vocally about the things you believe in...before it's too late.
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Maybe it will be better if I give up, resign all my positions, change my IP, make a new account and start a new life as a boring old conformist RPer who doesn't have the balls to stand up for his beliefs....would everyone appreciate that? Would you find happiness in knowing that you drove Giacjr to give up?...
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There is no evidence suggesting we are going to see a downward spiral in IC/OOC activity. Instead, it is increasingly likely in the near future, that IC/OOC principles will overtake the Argonath RP methodology. The current rule makes it explicitly clear that IC/OOC is acceptable providing there is no evidence relating to enforcement of these principles on others. If you want to use IC/OOC, you are permitted to do so within your group but anything outside of this circle is subject to rightful resistance. In line with Argonath tradition, specific people are exploiting the IC/OOC loophole and enforcing it beyond what is acceptable. It is through this troublesome minority that the overall 'third party' builds a stained stance to what they look to distance themselves from. All those who detest this practise must accept the fact that there is no rule outlawing IC/OOC and in turn continue to accept jeopardising their stance and position in the community.
To resolve this long standing dispute, outlaw IC/OOC or legalise the use of it. Alternatively, listen to SNSD.
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Why you blame the people here from you giving up?
It's just a thing which you make quite big for yourself.
Again...it's not a rule to use IC/OOC and it's a style of some roleplayers, even the one who never been on a RLRP server.
There are much more things on Argonath which are on a RLRP server, but does that makes it bad?
Argonath is unique in it's people and it's gameplay - but not everything can go like you want it.
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Personally, I believe moaners have a much more detrimental effect on the server than do those who adapt to other methods of roleplay.
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In other words, the two or four little brackets don't do as much damage as does the constant moaning about them.
These moaners you talk about are also brackets guys.
IMO OOC/IC should have been banned already. It is doing no good for the community. Like Hawk said it's just increasing the likelihood of OOC/IC taking over (of course though it's hardly going to be officially accepted by the server).
And I hope we won't need to say 100 times more why OOC/IC does no good for the community (remember the new players case)...
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I resigned from my admin position because I lost faith in the leaders of the admin team...
No. You resigned because you could not face the humiliation of apologising to me because I was right in doing my job as an admin. You resigned because you did not want to be kicked. Tell the truth and stop fucking lying to keep your huge fucking ego intact. What makes you so special from the other 5000 or so players in the community? Grow the fuck up and stop being so selfish. If you cannot, then it is you who should leave.
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Would like to see a quote where he says its not allowed. From what I remember he said there is no IC/OOC in the server meaning its not supported by the server.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59966.msg865961#msg865961 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59966.msg865961#msg865961)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59966.msg867154#msg867154 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59966.msg867154#msg867154)
There you have it. Read. And read again.
He has not dissallowed it (how you read his quotes as, is another story aswell as how I read it) (but he's sure pissed off enough to dissallow it anytime, how he decides to do, is up to aragorn), however. He has said that OOC/IC can fuck off. How you and I take that statement as is different.
Tradition? Its a form of roleplaying, not a bandwagon of people. I could just as easily say /me is a form of roleplay people wish to enforce, but since it was used in the 'old days' its golden and mighty?[Just as an example of how I saw your post, not my actual opinion] Its not like suddenly people said 'oh lets make IC/OOC here! It just happened because that was a style of roleplay people knew and liked to use. NOT ONE TIME EVER did someone try to claim its a real rule to use it and how its supported in argonath.
"/me" is how argonath started. It's the fundemental and the root of how Argonath's roleplay was originally based. In that sense, it's "golden and almighty"
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You as an admin should be well aware of this.
Ask our Manager Tai to give you logs on how I preach role play on IV:MP server. It has nothing to do with MY beliefs.
I play with my style and I always warn players that meta/powergaming as well as IC/OOC are not welcome in Argonath.
My role as a staff member does not interfere with my RP. it is a completely different thing.
I am talking about 2006-2007 here.
Sure, rest of us are from yesterday. We are some smart asses who know about RP since yesterday.
Another fact also remains, the OOC/IC was brought in by other players, who originally wished to enforce it. Again this is about the first non-mta:vc visitors. By that I mean completly new Argonath players. And as such, this passed onto the general base, and then became some wierd sort of tradition among players, that seem to think OOC/IC is an official rule on Argonath.
Again with this stuff. IC/OOC was around since MTA:VC too. I don't know how did you enforce it on server but it was everywhere.
Shut the player flow on the server and you won't have OOC/IC ever again.
We are against it simply because it causes more troubles than it causes happiness.
Flaming then claiming it was just OOC/IC.
Confusing new players and giving them an ideal/rule that Argonath is not officially supporting.
Talking about incompetent RPers. Same superficial behavior I warned about in my previous post.
You can ban individuals, but you cannot ban IC/OOC. If yes, explain me HOW can you ban something that is here since who knows when and is among people.
Consider IC/OOC as mathematical addition.
GiacJr:
What makes you different from lets say Gird3r is that you are dramatizing. Gird3r is trying to talk rationally.
You need to lower the temper.
Let me sum it all up:
YOU cannot change the community. People are people. You cannot force will. You need to ban at least 10000 players so others should start fearing when they use brackets. Do you want a server full of robots?
The server is going in a natural flow. Individuals can be eliminated. You must not dramatize because that makes things worse.
its the individuals that can change the mind state of the server. If he says its bad,his friends will say its bad and they will leave. The friends of his friends will after that say its bad and will leave et cetera ...
Pure DEDUCTION. Don't let few form your opinion!
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Again with this stuff. IC/OOC was around since MTA:VC too. I don't know how did you enforce it on server but it was everywhere.
Shut the player flow on the server and you won't have OOC/IC ever again.
Sorry no. There wasn't any of these OOC/IC ideas in MTA:VC times. If there were they were way too unsupported/insignificant to be noticed by the community. And guess what? It was a lot of fun.
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I along with others stand proud to be able to merge the traditional Argonath RP methodology with IC/OOC, DM, TDM and free roaming. Unlike many here, I hail from the dinosaur age of SA:MP in 2006 where people were running around naked pointlessly. Unknown to many of you, SA:MP is declining rapidly as the popularity of the platform wavers. We have to accept the fact that there will be a day where SA:MP ceases to exist. Until which, we are responsible for maintaining the identity and roots of Argonath.
If maintaining the identity of Argonath involves outlawing IC/OOC whilst holding a moral compass - I support the proposal. However, on the other hand - If Argonath want to continue attracting players of a dying breed, we must keep all channels of communication open when it comes to IC/OOC tolerance. As neglecting these stream of players will prove problematic. Especially for ensuring the long term viability of sustaining our player base as we continue to look to the future.
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You people are making huge fuzz over nothing.
I do not see any "OOC/IC player" requesting that OOC/IC becomes offical or supported by Owners. The same second that would happen, most people would leave Argonath, including me. So why moaning about it, when there's nothing to moan about?
On other hand, I do see some people, who e-bully and humiliate people who use those brackets, and even moan about them, and generalizing every person who's using brackets calling all of them "someone who wants to force something and change Argonath and Argonath style" .
No they don't.
Most of those guys left, starting from Carhartt to Que, the people who left and roleplays with brackets, are people who just want some peace and fun, and not to get humiliated, attacked, and generalized like in Nazi Germany, by some people, just because they use brackets.
Yeah that's exactly whats happening, people who use brackets for their own fun with their friends, without forcing anyone to role play their way, are called evil, Argonath killers, cancers, and God knows what else, by some people who just can't stand that someone likes different method of roleplay then them. Its a bloody which hunt.
Those people in my opinion, are not here to save the original Argonath style, like Frank Hawk and few more guys are trying in this topic, they are here solo cause of the their personal hate, and incompatibility to accept someone else as different.
And when you read this entire topic, you will easily figure out who are they, cause all they are doing is moaning and moaning and moaning.
There's an old saying : "Live and let others live." For this subject, my message would be: Have fun, role play, and let others have the same, even if they are different then you.
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Sorry no.
As I posted above
I don't know how did you enforce it on server but it was everywhere.
but where I played IC/OOC was used. I never noticed a difference between it.
Ah yes. Its because MTA:VC had a fistful of player slots and SA:MP has 500.
That means 200 different people coming in and out daily.
Excellently said Frank, there is a piece of my thought.
I know how you feel, oldies goldies but SA:MP is progressing. I am in the RP business since December 2006. I've experienced a lot of things.
I believe other neutral standing people did to.
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Sorry no. There wasn't any of these OOC/IC ideas in MTA:VC times. If there were they were way too unsupported/insignificant to be noticed by the community. And guess what? It was a lot of fun.
let me break this argument to invalid.
How do you know it was funner if you never experienced OOC/IC in MTA:VC? And before you say 'well its no fun here in SA:MP' do you happen to think that SA:MP and MTA:VC are not the same thing, and its almost like 2 versions of a video game, one for xbox one for ps3. Its your choice to which you like better and how you play it is your choice, but if it is supported or not is not your choice.
Frank is right too. IF we give only one way to roleplay (/me) then only /me roleplayers can join the server. Name it 'Argonath /me RPG' if there is only one style of roleplay allowed [I know this is not the true thing, taking it from what people are saying here]. You are showing you can't adapt to another style of roleplay.
Aragorn or gandalf, if you can, please post in this topic and clarify the availability of OOC/IC roleplay (Is it allowed?). Not asking if its supported, because I know its not, im asking if its allowed to be used.
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Aragorn or gandalf, if you can, please post in this topic and clarify the availability of OOC/IC roleplay (Is it allowed?). Not asking if its supported, because I know its not, im asking if its allowed to be used.
They posted million times.
Allowed, like any other roleplay style, and disallowed to force it on anyone, like any other roleplay style.
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Ask our Manager Tai to give you logs on how I preach role play on IV:MP server. It has nothing to do with MY beliefs.
I play with my style and I always warn players that meta/powergaming as well as IC/OOC are not welcome in Argonath.
My role as a staff member does not interfere with my RP. it is a completely different thing.
Good, then I know where you stand.
Sure, rest of us are from yesterday. We are some smart asses who know about RP since yesterday.
Nice flame.
Again with this stuff. IC/OOC was around since MTA:VC too. I don't know how did you enforce it on server but it was everywhere.
Shut the player flow on the server and you won't have OOC/IC ever again.
There was only two popular RPG servers (Counting the top 2) around 2006-2007, no one of them discussed or used OOC/IC in any way.
Talking about incompetent RPers. Same superficial behavior I warned about in my previous post.
Incompetent? Rephrase it, I am talking about players who were not from the community before, but was completly new and with them, took the idea of OOC/IC, along those individuals, there was those who tried to enforce this OOC/IC rule. I never mentioned incompetent, and I see no reason to do so. Just because I do not agree with them does not give you an chance to use an invalid fact, I do not tell them they are incompetent. Also, if you read my reply again, I did not state that everysingle person who uses OOC/IC is some hellbent players wishing to enforce the style.
You can ban individuals, but you cannot ban IC/OOC. If yes, explain me HOW can you ban something that is here since who knows when and is among people.
Ban? Read this again: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59966.msg865961#msg865961 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59966.msg865961#msg865961)
And if two piece of OOC/IC will not f**king stop to bring into Argonath this stupid rule from other servers I will just f**king disallow it by power... He is the server owner. He can dissallow it if he wants to. It's still up to him. So far, it's allowed (but not enforce it). I disagree on allowing it at all. However, that's not my decision.
Consider IC/OOC as mathematical addition.
How does something seen as negative from even Aragorn viewpoint turn something positive to even more positive?
Pure DEDUCTION. Don't let few form your opinion!
Yes, this fact is an true and valid statement. And should be respected for it. but alas, the opinion of OOC/IC being something completly fine and good is not according to what Aragorn has in mind for the server (so far judging from his replys, my viewpoint on it, he can say what he wants about, alas only his own words are his opinion). And where Aragorn takes the server I follow.
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Hm, I wonder why you're victimising the brackets people so much, because...
Most (in case it's not all) of the time (to not be called a generalizing nazi):
People who constantly complain about how /area is not roleplay are brackets guys.
People who constantly complain about freecops are brackets guys.
People who constantly complain about rulebreaking new players are brackets guys.
People who constantly complain about the Argonath ingame chat system are brackets guys.
So along with OOC/IC, we would also:
Lose /area
Restrict freecops
Ban straight ahead new players who just arrived in the server and aren't known to rules
Lose /p
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Most of those guys left, starting from Carhartt to Que, the people who left and roleplays with brackets, are people who just want some peace and fun, and not to get humiliated, attacked, and generalized like in Nazi Germany, by some people, just because they use brackets.
Hah, I wish it was that indeed. If the OOC/IC groups actually wanted peace they wouldn't rage on every guy who comes across them not using that style of RP, rage on every guy who scrolls to a weapon without typing atleast 3 lines of /me, rage on every guy who uses a weapon which don't fit their type in the eyes of OOC/IC'ers, etc.
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non-flame
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And I hope we won't need to say 100 times more why OOC/IC does no good for the community (remember the new players case)...
Also remember that 90% of new players come from other servers.. So isn't it safe to assume that at least half of them already know what OOC/IC is?
I am neutral in this matter. I don't regard OOC/IC to have a negative effect nor a positive effect on the server. It's just a method of RP that some choose to accommodate.. Adapt to it, ignore it but please, don't moan about it.
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Hah, I wish it was that indeed. If the OOC/IC groups actually wanted peace they wouldn't rage on every guy who comes across them not using that style of RP, rage on every guy who scrolls to a weapon without typing atleast 3 lines of /me, rage on every guy who uses a weapon which don't fit their type in the eyes of OOC/IC'ers, etc.
Name them.
I am neutral in this matter. I don't regard OOC/IC to have a negative effect nor a positive effect on the server. It's just a method of RP that some choose to accommodate.. Adapt to it, ignore it but please, don't moan about it.
This is it.
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Name them.
The "elite RP" groups that primarily stay in East LS (e.g. the group with 464 in their name).
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The "elite RP" group that primarily stay in East LS (e.g. the group with 464 in their name).
Who lol? I didn't even heard about them. And yet they are making all this fuzz? At least that's easy to solve, either they stop forcing it or they get closed.
But I doubt they are the ones creating all this moaning, and generalizing every person who uses brackets, as Jewish people in Nazi Germany, don't you simply agree?
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over quote
Flame? I didn't flame anywhere in my post.
You know where I stand? I believe you don't.
My friend has a home based server. It had 5-9 players. It was no popular server.
I did not state that everysingle person who uses OOC/IC is some hellbent players wishing to enforce the style.
Then why shit on it?
Gimli is right. Being popular caused this player flow. It has its burden.
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Also remember that 90% of new players come from other servers.. So isn't it safe to assume that at least half of them already know what OOC/IC is?
If I get what you're saying, they will still take part in the cycle.
Case 1: New player who doesn't know OOC/IC RP
Player makes his way into meeting the server's regulars, sees them using the brackets and thinks that's the way you do stuff. He starts liking it and there you go, another player completely alienated towards the Argonath Vision.
Case 2: New player who knows OOC/IC RP
Player makes his way into meeting the server's regulars, sees them using the brackets and concludes Argonath is another OOC/IC RP (or atleast tolerant to it) server. He starts using it like in the past servers and there you go, also another player alienated to the Argo Vision.
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No offense Frank, but are you able to form a post without running it through the BullshitThesaurus just to make it sound smarter?
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Off topic: Why should Frank Hawk change the way he talks, that's like saying to a black guy: "Yo man, you can't say "dawg" "
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If I get what you're saying, they will still take part in the cycle.
Case 1: New player who doesn't know OOC/IC RP
Player makes his way into meeting the server's regulars, sees them using the brackets and thinks that's the way you do stuff. He starts liking it and there you go, another player completely alienated towards the Argonath Vision.
Case 2: New player who knows OOC/IC RP
Player makes his way into meeting the server's regulars, sees them using the brackets and concludes Argonath is another OOC/IC RP (or atleast tolerant to it) server. He starts using it like in the past servers and there you go, also another player alienated to the Argo Vision.
Case 1: God forbid a player does something he LIKES.
Case 2: New players do not have to learn the Argonath vision on their first day in the server. They are here to have fun, they will use brackets if THEY want to. It's not allowed to enforce such rules on others, so it is his own choice. Just because he THINKS it's the rules doesn't mean it is or ever will be, he will learn that it's not a part of the ruleset fast.
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that's like saying to a black guy: "Yo man, you can't say "dawg" "
loooooooooooooooooooool
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Flame? I didn't flame anywhere in my post.
You know where I stand? I believe you don't.
Smartass is according to me, the same as flaming, also the tone of the post.
Yes I do, you stand in the middle, but still lean towards OOC/IC. (Hereby I declare that we are not including admin viewpoints, instead we are talking from now on based on personal opinions.
I'm going to play some games, we can argue later.
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And that would be?
Don't worry it's not you - just look for an Australian and it should become obvious enough who it is.
Haha I'm sorry, I saw this quote in a sig and just had to come and tell you that this group of people are the ones who f**ked up this community and continue to, in their selfish ways, drive it to the ground in every way possible.
Actually those are the ones who can role play with all players on Argonath... Those who use the brackets and those who don't. Personally I don't think the brackets much difference at all, it's just the attitude that some players have such as saying (( Don't metagame )) when two minutes later they jump into a house, pull out a shotgun from their ass and start shooting it, doing completely the opposite of whatever they were just moaning about.
I acknowledge the fact that Giac's behavior has some problems, some even noted by high administration.
However, I'd like to point out that he is one of those people most loyal to Argonath, as opposed to some other problematic people who just stay here, shit on everything, and try to merge the IC/OOC with Argonath culture.
As RON said, we don't bring our rules to other servers... so keep them out of here.
GiacJr is exactly the same as the moaners... He just thinks taking the side of the owners and using that as an excuse to attack other players will be tolerated by them, however the players will not tolerate it. Sure, I can tell that GiacJr is loyal to the owners as by his own admission he loves them but he doesn't know what he is on about at all. He simply joins the bandwagon with his 'Conservative' bullshit which he probably doesn't even know the meaning of. Conservatism is in part laissez-faire yet GiacJr likes to rub his nose into anything that is in turn intended for the better good of Argonath. One must deal with the reality that Argonath must adapt to the times, I'm not saying that this IC/OOC rule should be brought in - like I've already said - those who advocate it the most are themselves retarded players. GiacJr should respect the fact that everyone has a different opinion and only if they are a threat to Argonath, decide to post. That does not give him any right whatsoever to tell players to leave the community. In all fairness it just makes him look like a tool.
LOL, you guys think I don't know how I act? Have you noticed a pattern in the types of people my outbursts are directed at? Oh, right - the idiotic RLRPers who think they can come to Argonath and take shit over.
Seriously, f**k off from this server.
Stop flaming people and like I told you before - follow the old Argonath example and lead by example if you wish to encourage others to leave.
IC/OOC as explained by Aragorn is a rule on other servers, there aren't many players at all who want this rule to be brought on Argonath. What people are confused about is why people use IC/OOC in the first place. Well, it's their choice and as Argonath is this free RP server then why should people not be allowed to use it so long as they don't enforce it on others. IC/OOC is ridiculously easy to spot without the brackets nonetheless if people wish to use it, they should be able to for their own sense of insecurity. I only use them when I'm with a non-Corleone who I don't know well and I can't imagine many other players not following a similar approach. I don't see why the brackets are causing so much of a fuss; I put this down the over the top response given to it by players such as yourself which just add publicity to this whole IC/OOC conondrum. IC/OOC is more of a style of RP that people choose to follow, not some sort of rule that players force others to use in most cases.
Aragorn has said f**k off to OOC/IC.
Aragorn says, it's law. Simple.
You as an admin should be well aware of this. As should all other admins (including me and moderators).
As for Violet, you say you know much about mta:vc "old days". Sorry, but you know far less than you proclaim. The fact that afk people was kicked often to give room for active players is an fact, not an lie. I am talking about 2006-2007 here.
Another fact also remains, the OOC/IC was brought in by other players, who originally wished to enforce it. Again this is about the first non-mta:vc visitors. By that I mean completly new Argonath players. And as such, this passed onto the general base, and then became some wierd sort of tradition among players, that seem to think OOC/IC is an official rule on Argonath.
We are against it simply because it causes more troubles than it causes happiness.
Flaming then claiming it was just OOC/IC.
Confusing new players and giving them an ideal/rule that Argonath is not officially supporting.
While I do see that we do this I am going to mention now in an reverse, so do the OOC/IC players:
Shutting out players/discriminating players based because they can't OOC/IC or don't want to.
I conclude this with that not every single OOC/IC player are doing this.
GiacJr, you may be loyal, but you seriosly need to calm down with that exsessive swearing. Have you manners at all? I do not know what problems you have. But take it as advice. Calm down before you get yourself in trouble.
If I get what you're saying, they will still take part in the cycle.
Case 1: New player who doesn't know OOC/IC RP
Player makes his way into meeting the server's regulars, sees them using the brackets and thinks that's the way you do stuff. He starts liking it and there you go, another player completely alienated towards the Argonath Vision.
You cannot be alienated towards anything. You can only be alienated away from it. Using brackets does not defer you from the Argonath Vision in any way, shape or form.
Case 2: New player who knows OOC/IC RP
Player makes his way into meeting the server's regulars, sees them using the brackets and concludes Argonath is another OOC/IC RP (or atleast tolerant to it) server. He starts using it like in the past servers and there you go, also another player alienated to the Argo Vision.
Please give me a name of a RP server that does not allow the use of brackets like you are implying...
Will edit this later as a lot of my post has somehow dissapeared due to the exceedingly slow Argonath forum speeds I am getting at the moment...
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I resigned from my admin position
You didn't resign.
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I along with others stand proud to be able to merge the traditional Argonath RP methodology with IC/OOC, DM, TDM and free roaming. Unlike many here, I hail from the dinosaur age of SA:MP in 2006 where people were running around naked pointlessly. Unknown to many of you, SA:MP is declining rapidly as the popularity of the platform wavers. We have to accept the fact that there will be a day where SA:MP ceases to exist. Until which, we are responsible for maintaining the identity and roots of Argonath.
If maintaining the identity of Argonath involves outlawing IC/OOC whilst holding a moral compass - I support the proposal. However, on the other hand - If Argonath want to continue attracting players of a dying breed, we must keep all channels of communication open when it comes to IC/OOC tolerance. As neglecting these stream of players will prove problematic. Especially for ensuring the long term viability of sustaining our player base as we continue to look to the future.
Argonath was not born on SA:MP, and it will not die with it. We survived MTA:VC, and we will survis SA:MP. If you happen to know a newer platform that is gaining in popularity and where Argonath can show its presence with the independence we strive for, please do not hesitate to bring it forward as idea.
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You didn't resign.
Yes he did.
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Yes he did.
In a sense, he didn't ;)
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In a sense, he didn't ;)
When looking at the facts, GiacJr resigned. That he may have acted on fear of punishment does not alter the facts. His pride did not allow him to take some actions, so he preferred to resign.
He has all rights to do so, even if we may disagree on him taking the correct decision.
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When looking at the facts, GiacJr resigned. That he may have acted on fear of punishment does not alter the facts. His pride did not allow him to take some actions, so he preferred to resign.
He has all rights to do so, even if we may disagree on him taking the correct decision.
Okay, you're right.
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Smartass is according to me, the same as flaming, also the tone of the post.
If you read the post carefully, you can see I said " and WE are smart-asses who RP since yesterday".
WE is not you. Tone is fictive, you are on the internet, you cannot possibly hear my voice, see my facial expressions etc.
I do not lean towards any way. I see more and more IC/OOCers daily.
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I see more and more IC/OOCers daily.
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You guys keep saying omgomg Argonath will lose players...So what? What's the big deal if we don't have as many new players? Eventually the SAMP will die out, or people will all prefer a different RP style, so it'd be better to have the people who understand true Argonath stay then to have people who are all OOC/IC stay when that time comes...
You guys keep assuming that I am from MTA:VC times and such, but I joined Argonath in March 2007 on SA:MP - I didn't join MTA:VC for months later, at which point, it was dead. So all of my beliefs and arguments are entirely from SA:MP...And let me just make an assumption here - not many of you guys are aware of how awesome a small community is - everyone knows each other, everyone knows who to RP with to get some fun times, it's much more interesting, engaging and overall fun...So I dunno why you guys will do anything to keep Argonath getting many players and such...
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i agree with you curse, you can't even pull others over to see their license just for abit RP without they go crazy about " you pull me over cause im black? " ... i really agree people should start learning to rp abit more to make it more fun also.
Like a few days ago i pulled over a truck with a trailer on, i'd like to see whats inside it to get some RP, then some officer showed up ofc ruined the RP and told some rules and all that stuff... it was just a vehicle check... i mean.. cmon its for rp, and im sure you dont need a search warrant to search through a vehicle.
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i agree with you curse, you can't even pull others over to see their license just for abit RP without they go crazy about " you pull me over cause im black? " ... i really agree people should start learning to rp abit more to make it more fun also.
Like a few days ago i pulled over a truck with a trailer on, i'd like to see whats inside it to get some RP, then some officer showed up ofc ruined the RP and told some rules and all that stuff... it was just a vehicle check... i mean.. cmon its for rp, and im sure you dont need a search warrant to search through a vehicle.
1. That's actualy something funny instead of the standard boring RP.
2. You do actualy need a search warrant unless the person agrees to it, OR there is probable cause.
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2 for 2 SA:MP Community Leaders have now accused me of having mental problems.
GG respect.
You're just transforming into Daco 2.
GG Respect.
and we all thought you were mature
No. You resigned because you could not face the humiliation of apologising to me because I was right in doing my job as an admin. You resigned----
I think Giac knows better why he resigned.
Off topic: Why should Frank Hawk change the way he talks, that's like saying to a black guy: "Yo man, you can't say "dawg" "
Because he thinks that making posts smart makes him look cool, but infact it makes other people hard to understand his point, which makes his post 90% useless.
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Hm, I wonder why you're victimising the brackets people so much, because...
Most (in case it's not all) of the time (to not be called a generalizing nazi):
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People who constantly complain about freecops are brackets guys.
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People who constantly complain about the Argonath ingame chat system are brackets guys.
I am not a bracket person and my only concern about freecops are their abuses.
As for ingame chat system, it's so f**king annoying when you try to concentrate on something and multiple LOLS after random payday come up on chat.
Who lol? I didn't even heard about them.
You should visit other topics in Clans and Groups board apart from sitting in Gvardia thread.
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I think Giac knows better why he resigned.
And you shouldn't do a comment at all about it since you dont know what's behind it.
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IC/OOC has literally produced a wave of elitist players who moan about everything- the most infamous being the Anti Freecop Moaners.
It was not there from the very beginning... it only arose after a bunch of players wanted to come up with a standard for the ZOMG realistic RP.
Enforcing it is disallowed as it is one of the things that threaten to eradicate the originality, uniqueness, and imaginativity of Argonath Role Play.
Enforcers better pray that I do not catch them ingame...
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No, no and no.
IC/OOC principles is not responsible for creating a wave of elitist players. Instead, it is the players who have interpreted the principles in the wrong way. If we labelled IC/OOC principles as the core problem behind complaining, moaning and groaning, we are sending out the wrong message. For example, prestigious clans like Rstar, AV and WS all use IC/OOC and we all know they are not the troublesome minority.
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prestigious clans like [...]AV[...] use IC/OOC
Name me which of current =AV= members use it.
Not in the sense "prove it", in the sense "I need to have a talk with them". Forum PM is fine.
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To a certain degree, we also use IC/OOC in traditional Argonath RP. However, it is up to the respondent whether they can distinguish the difference where in many cases they can and cannot. For example, I can RP in /ad as well as talk OOC'y:
/ad NEWS: King Kong is running rampage in Los Santos, contact [R9]Frank_Hawk
/ad First one to send me $50 wins $5000, contact [R9]Frank_Hawk
Which /ad is IC/OOC and which one is the traditional Argonath RP /ad?
I can understand why the golden era of players is concerned with IC/OOC becoming a predominant force in this community. I'm confident that in time, IC/OOC will disappear and be replaced with a new, agile and more adaptable style combining a bled of the Argonath traditional RP as well as IC/OOC. We can already see evidence of this taking place through activity in Rstar, AV and WS. In particular, I have also spotted players like Jcstodds, [Rstar]Razor and many more using minor IC/OOC principles such as putting one bracket at the end instead of using four brackets.
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..... "I need to have a talk with them". Forum PM is fine.
Nothing like a little chat that will rattle their bones for good, and you call us the enforcers? Tsk, tsk.
Displaying the same will forcing you blame us for.
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Why so many blablabla about IC and OOC?
Each one roleplay the way they like and have fun as long as they follow the rules.
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And since when were the Argonath Veterans Clan a faction of players who drag in principles from other servers?
I apologize, Frank, but I have to criticize your view there. For someone who made it to a Community Leader position, you appear very supportive of this scum that threatens our community by challenging the imagination and creativity that has always been the backbone of Argonath.
Ever since its inception, IC/OOC has created players who have emerged to be arrogant, self-centered elitists who have looked down with a disdainful eye on those that do not use their standard as inferior and non-roleplayers. It was a standard of different rules drawn up by the ZOMG roleplayers who sought to enforce ultra-realism on their "Hardcore Roleplay" servers, and the rest is history.
This may sound like paranoia, but it is the truth in many cases...
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@Frank
Nice illusion you did there.
Making the reader focus on the "IC/OOC", while both /ad's you exampled are not advertising a business, so they're not actual ads. Maybe try giving better examples where I can't pick on any detail irrelevant to your point ;)
So far it only proves the point that IC/OOC is used to confuse others and get away with things.
Using "IC/OOC" does not matter if marked with 1, 2, 4, 16, 65536, 528244 brackets or by (misused) /em, however you mark it - it's still using it. Only way I'm not against is when it's completely unmarked and done in your head.
It's not that damn hard to see the difference if someone's talking as the character in-game or as the player in front of his keyboard and monitor...
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1. That's actualy something funny instead of the standard boring RP.
2. You do actualy need a search warrant unless the person agrees to it, OR there is probable cause.
The first guy who tries to pull the "you need a warrant" trick will be shown a special customs badge that allows to search vehicles. You claim it does not exist ? OMG you are so good in RP.... :cool:
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JDC - like many other groups in Argonath, AV has also adapted their roleplay style to accommodate others. Whilst I cannot think of any names in particular at this moment, I will keep my eyes open and report back to Grizzy if need be. Argonath has made its stance very clear to IC/OOC. The rules state that IC/OOC is tolerable but not enforceable. For example, groups are allowed to use IC/OOC inside their internal structure but prevented from enforcing it outside this circle through rightful resistance. This is to maintain the underpinning value of Argonath RP.
It's also wrong to label all IC/OOC players as arrogant and elitists. I have encountered many who are very genuine, friendly and ready to embrace other forms of RP. Bear in mind that some of the current moderators and admins use IC/OOC in their many forms of roleplay. Unlike many of you - my stance remains neutral and do not consider IC/OOC to be advantageous nor a threat to our community.
From what I gather, the owners have assessed the threat of IC/OOC and have concluded there is no requirement to make it a rule set in stone. All those who continue to detest this practise including you JDC must accept the fact there is no rule outlawing IC/OOC. In turn you and others continue to accept jeopardising your stance and position within the community in line with Argonath rules.
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The first guy who tries to pull the "you need a warrant" trick will be shown a special customs badge that allows to search vehicles. You claim it does not exist ? OMG you are so good in RP.... :cool:
Oh yeah, I forgot that customs are also allowed to search your things without your consent. Though I have never seen anyone roleplay a customs officer.
Edit; I'm going to go roleplay it right now! Will be fun to see reactions!
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Grizzy - there was no illusion in the previous scenario.
If the two could not be distinguished apart, it could indicate the Argonath RP strength of seperating IC/OOC may be weak.
/p There is a hacker at Grove Street and there are no admins on. He has a minigun and is killing everybody. Send all Police to Grove Street to kill him.
IC/OOC, Argonath RP or both combined?
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Grizzy - there was no illusion in the previous scenario.
If the two could not be distinguished apart, it could indicate the Argonath RP strength of seperating IC/OOC may be weak.
/p There is a hacker at Grove Street and there are no admins on. He has a minigun and is killing everybody. Send all Police to Grove Street to kill him.
IC/OOC, Argonath RP or both combined?
Argonath RP
...Operation Jericho, anyone?
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@Frank
In the current script version cheaters can't use a Minigun :razz:
I think this topic (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61443.0) gives an answer about the situation itself (players uniting and fighting a cheater). Sure there were admins there, but they acted like admins only when it came to end the fun and ban the cheaters.
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...Weapon and health hackers are good sport because it allows us to the treat them like a rouge superman. :D I'm sure many of the other veterans will side with me here in feeling the same way - I like to be pushed out of my comfort zone, becoming agile in the process and playing like I did back in 2005. What many people consider being a serious problem or threat to their well being is another opportunity for me to have some fun and create a event in my domain. The same would be true for others if they would open their eyes rather then playing see no evil, hear no evil all day long.
Grizzy - this is exactly my point. :D
If you look at my post (above) in the topic referenced, you may work the rest out. ;)
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The first guy who tries to pull the "you need a warrant" trick will be shown a special customs badge that allows to search vehicles. You claim it does not exist ? OMG you are so good in RP.... :cool:
@ Gandalf
We just had a USA Customs office roleplay at the Flint County - Los Santos bridge for over an hour. It was a lot of fun, and guess what.. No one complained. :)
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If someone choses to put everything that the real life someone says (not what his character says; like "phone brb")... Is it a big deal? Does this pop up in your thoughts and mock you when you are on your way to school the next day? Does this make this someone a bad person? Is it a sin? Does this someone go to hell because of this? DOES IT FUCKING MATTER?
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@ Gandalf
We just had a USA Customs office roleplay at the Flint County - Los Santos bridge for over an hour. It was a lot of fun, and guess what.. No one complained. :)
Yep, it was fun and it went great. Everyone enjoyed it.
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@Frank
In the current script version cheaters can't use a Minigun :razz:
I think this topic (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61443.0) gives an answer about the situation itself (players uniting and fighting a cheater). Sure there were admins there, but they acted like admins only when it came to end the fun and ban the cheaters.
It is a "tourist attraction" that cannot be seen daily. It was fun though.
Frank stole the thread, everyone run!
IC/OOC, Argonath RP or both combined?
Same question? Unite my fellow Argonathians for a common interest: fun.
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In the current script version cheaters can't use a Minigun :razz:
Instead the hacker(s) get bored and leave, which is.. Fantastic :D
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I have don't really understand where this whole argument of IC/OOC has arisen from. I just find sometimes OOC things, such as PM, CB, brackets is a convenient way to bound over the communications gap and limitations of the game (in terms of what can be done in RP), and sometimes to make things obvious to players who don't quite understand.
I have been an admin and a cop for a very very long time, and when I go off duty and do civilian RP, I get cop abused all the time. I have never once gone "help I am abused", I only cancel suspect myself if a cop requests it, and I don't complain for it wasting my time. I try to make solutions through RP character.
I believe all role-play should be Fun, Fair and Feasible.
- Fun for all players involved, everyone has a role to play and has some interaction relevant to their character
- Fair so that no player feels bitter or angry because of the consequence involved. Involves offering choices to players so there is not 1 outcome that favours only yourself.
- Feasible such that you can visualise what is happening and are able to communicate this to others.
If all 3 of these are valid, there is no meta gaming or power gaming, and IC OOC does not become an issue. You can use OOC methods like /cb, /pm, brackets effectively to aid the roleplay to communicate ideas, hint how you want the roleplay to go, or just make something obvious to a player in a convenient way, which is useful if a player misses half the RP or you are managing a RP where organisation is paramount.
Obviously the "3 F's" are ideal and this does not happen. So we get lots of moaners who use OOC to effectively ruin the feel of the RP, usually as a consequence of someone introducing unfair or infeasible roleplay. OOC is necessary to inform admins and players of something they feel unfair, and because this is a game, and we are all human, we have admins to help out and try to make the roleplay fair and correct others by doing some OOC magic.
Anyway, on topic:
"Forced RP" is accepted by all when the RP offers fun, fairness (choices) and is not completely retarded (e.g. i found a nuke in my pants and will blow up SA if you dont pay me $9k) (so it is feasible). The whole IC OOC I dont even know why there is a problem. It can be used to aid RP and to ruin it.
This is because we are human, and people like to win in all kind of ways, and that's why majority do not offer fairness and fun, and do not understand that their "victim" will go on to do the same to others, cause they know no better.
As for the whole cops thing about pulling players over. Wanna know why cops get bad reputation? Cops do not pull over random players. Some players might be driving to get somewhere for a reason and cops usually cause a massive inconvenience to players who are actually abiding by the laws. You should ONLY EVER pull over citizens to check car, license, anything - when you have a RP reason to be suspicious of them. You DO NOT pull over guys who are abiding the law and say "random check" cause that is unfair for them and annoying.
And for god sake, everyone knows /su kills RP cause it puts cops in a massive advantagous position, so don't do it for stupidly minor crimes cause it bothers admin with all the moan it creates (cause it is genuinly unfair - minor crimes are not punishable by death or jail! Give ticket or RP punishment!) and also you will get more fun RP with criminals who you don't instantly suspect or spray in the face with pepperspray.
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JDC - like many other groups in Argonath, AV has also adapted their roleplay style to accommodate others.
No. We have not. We are strictly against the whole OOC/IC , /em S/F????? and (((lol i like pancakes))) idea.
We strongly support the community and Argonath Vision as an official clan of Argonath. We have been around long enough to know what should be in the community, what shouldn't be and what both owners want in the community....and we will continue to support both owners in any decision they make as an official clan of Argonath RPG.
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And you shouldn't do a comment at all about it since you dont know what's behind it.
And you shouldn't do a comment at all concerning my statements since you don't know whether I know it or not.
Protip: I do know all the story with all the details. And I won't say more.
Enforcers better pray that I do not catch them ingame...
What if Atheist?
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Jcstodds puts it down how it is like usual.
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Dave - I'll repeat for your benefit - from what I gather, the owners have assessed the threat of IC/OOC and have concluded there is no requirement to make it a rule set in stone. All those who continue to detest this practise including you must accept the fact there is no rule outlawing IC/OOC. In turn you and others continue to accept jeopardising your stance within the community in line with current Argonath rules.
Jcstodds - excellent post, I hope many others can see the light in your viewpoint.
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not many of you guys are aware of how awesome a small community is - everyone knows each other
I used to live in the country, Giac ;)
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I can say, that when I was in =AV=, I did use the brackets some times.
I also would not support if a clan does "ban" the usage of IC/OOC, especially not a clan like =AV=.
I left in peace, but if they enforce this shit, I'm happy I am not part of that anymore.
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Many of you treat IC/OOC and its users like the non-existent highly contagious form of AIDS, cancer, and emphysema, even if they are neutral, don't force it on others (which rarely anyone does - you guys are just bitching about it and exaggerating the truth, to be quite honest; with all due respect). All that I ask personally is that you treat the TRUE elitists, not people like me and Frank who are neutral on this subject, like shit, and try to be ACCEPTING, for <insert superior being's name here>'s sake. And what if someone is incapable of separating "OOC" statements from "IC" statements? So fucking what? Does that give you the right to call them retarded? God damn, many of you and your hypocrisy, especially when you say you stick to the "Argonath Vision" when you call IC/OOC users retarded for being incapable of separating the two, TRULY disgusts me. You should all fix your etiquette while you still can.
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So..
AV will start enforcing a "No IC/OOC brackets"?...
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Sorry but the f**king attitude of some of the players who I grew up aside with in Argonath back in '07 is disgusting.
you appear very supportive of this scum that threatens our community
Thanks for just calling aload of players scum including myself.
You talk about a threat, but where is this threat that you seem to think exists.
Ever since its inception, IC/OOC has created players who have emerged to be arrogant, self-centered elitists who have looked down with a disdainful eye on those that do not use their standard as inferior and non-roleplayers. It was a standard of different rules drawn up by the ZOMG roleplayers who sought to enforce ultra-realism on their "Hardcore Roleplay" servers, and the rest is history.
So basically those who wish to use IC/OOC are stuck up, brown nosed players who are filled with hate towards those who don't use their method of roleplaying? Wrong there.
Not once have I came across players who you describe are like this and I play with some people who take RL-RP seriously.
Can those who are upon their high-horse get the f**k off it and just be god damn supportive of anyone's method of roleplay.
If you hate IC/OOC stay clear of it don't be dicks and come on like - "Oh f**k off from server with RL-RP 1337 bullshit" cause this is not the f**king community I joined and it's slowly turning into something much different.
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For the record I support Argonaths Vision and I support the so called "RL-RP 1337 method".
Proud motherfucking MTA:VC Veteran
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Sorry but the f**king attitude of some of the players who I grew up aside with in Argonath back in '07 is disgusting.
Thanks for just calling aload of players scum including myself.
You talk about a threat, but where is this threat that you seem to think exists.
So basically those who wish to use IC/OOC are stuck up, brown nosed players who are filled with hate towards those who don't use their method of roleplaying? Wrong there.
Not once have I came across players who you describe are like this and I play with some people who take RL-RP seriously.
Can those who are upon their high-horse get the f**k off it and just be god damn supportive of anyone's method of roleplay.
If you hate IC/OOC stay clear of it don't be dicks and come on like - "Oh f**k off from server with RL-RP 1337 bullshit" cause this is not the f**king community I joined and it's slowly turning into something much different.
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For the record I support Argonaths Vision and I support the so called "RL-RP 1337 method".
Proud motherf**king MTA:VC Veteran
Bravo Rusty, I totally agree with you.
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AV will start enforcing a "No IC/OOC brackets"?...
We have no plans on doing so, but me personally would agree on bringing in that rule if we would discuss it. We are disencouraging the usage IC/OOC, which can be seen in our clan topic.
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Looks to me like this subject has been blown far out of proportion then it needs to be. As long as the users don't claim this IC/OOC to be Argonaths vision I see no problem in letting them use it. Therefore I see no point in arguing it. Heck, I use it myself when the people I roleplay with use it. I do not use it when I roleplay with people who doesn't. I am versatile, but that's just me.
Bottom line, let people roleplay however they want as long as they aren't breaking any rules (it isn't a rule, is it?).
Is there no one that agrees with me?
Keep in mind that this post comes from one your most (probably) neutral player regarding this subject.
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We have no plans on doing so, but me personally would agree on bringing in that rule if we would discuss it. We are disencouraging the usage IC/OOC, which can be seen in our clan topic.
There is nothing wrong with the comment above here, as it's seen daily.
What if you turn it on the opposite point of view, what if you encourage people to use specific terms in roleplay such as IC/OOC ?
The group will be closed, eventually forced to remove the "rule".
There's nothing wrong with the term "IC/OOC".
The way it was introduced to Argonath was wrong though, as people used it as a excuse to get away with things they didn't want to roleplay, example a routine check by an officer.
I saw a good example somewhere here on the forum a couple of days ago of how it's literally used in Argonath, and that's not the real way of using IC/OOC.
Officer: Hello, license and registration please.
Civilian/eventually cop off duty: (( Man I'm in a EVENT let me go noob!! ))
Civilian/eventually cop off duty: (( It was lagging badly over there, loooollllll let me goo!!!! XDDD ))
Officer: I don't care if you was lagging, you'll have to pay a ticket anyway
Civilian/eventually cop off duty: (( OMG YOU CAN'T ROLEPLAY ))
Here it's obviously the Civilian/eventually cop off duty who is incapable in roleplaying as he cannot adapt himself/herself. What I'am trying to say here is that people have to learn how to respect other peoples way of playing this game. A good roleplayer is not someone who only uses IC/OOC, or a player who is only into unrealistic roleplay. A good roleplayer is a player who can adapt himself/herself depending on the target infront.
And once again, these terms of roleplay has been brought into Argonath in the wrong way, therefor it's being hated by the most.
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I've read everything been posted here, but you gotta remember one thing; NO cats in game unless they have money.
The divisions in the county were further underscored in the Fourth Congressional District race. Representative Betsy Markey, a Democrat, carried Larimer by 115 votes out of more than 114,000 cast, but she lost to her Republican opponent, Cory Gardner, when the more rural and Republican areas in the district came in strongly for him.
Many voters here, interviewed on a recent gray and frigid day threatening snow at 7,500 feet in the mountains, said they thought that gridlock in Washington and a stalemate over partisan politics were possible outcomes with a divided government and a passionately aroused, divided population at home.
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Sorry but the f**king attitude of some of the players who I grew up aside with in Argonath back in '07 is disgusting.
Thanks for just calling aload of players scum including myself.
You talk about a threat, but where is this threat that you seem to think exists.
So basically those who wish to use IC/OOC are stuck up, brown nosed players who are filled with hate towards those who don't use their method of roleplaying? Wrong there.
Not once have I came across players who you describe are like this and I play with some people who take RL-RP seriously.
Can those who are upon their high-horse get the f**k off it and just be god damn supportive of anyone's method of roleplay.
If you hate IC/OOC stay clear of it don't be dicks and come on like - "Oh f**k off from server with RL-RP 1337 bullshit" cause this is not the f**king community I joined and it's slowly turning into something much different.
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For the record I support Argonaths Vision and I support the so called "RL-RP 1337 method".
Proud motherf**king MTA:VC Veteran
:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
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No. We have not. We are strictly against the whole OOC/IC , /em S/F????? and (((lol i like pancakes))) idea.
We strongly support the community and Argonath Vision as an official clan of Argonath. We have been around long enough to know what should be in the community, what shouldn't be and what both owners want in the community....and we will continue to support both owners in any decision they make as an official clan of Argonath RPG.
Who is We? Im pretty sure your not talking about 'we' as argonath. sounds like your assuming that everyone agrees with gandalf and aragorn. And lets remember, 'strictly against' - Not really. Point to me where Aragorn or gandalf have specifically said 'IC/OOC is not allowed.' No, im not saying 'Forget IC/OOC' im talking about word for word.
JDC ur facking crazy. You act like your some tough shit for calling a style of roleplay 'scum' [and all the people who use it. Nice flame, admin] And you act like your some damned god here, acting like /me is the only roleplay you should use. You say 'ever since IC/OOC was introduced' it brought bad players. Yeah, but it didn't come from IC/OOC users itself. Brought the crazy moaners who can't try a new style of roleplay. Yeah, i called you a crazy moaner. Maybe 'crazy' isn't necessary, but moaner is. Read above.
tl;dr: JDC gtfo of this topic if you have nothing to do but flame people who dont like your style of roleplay. you sound like mini hitler.
Rusty kind of just owned this shit. I wish I were lucky enough to meet him sometime.
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I don't think the plan was to have Argonath look like another OOC/IC server.
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JDC gtfo of this topic if you have nothing to do but flame people who dont like your style of roleplay.
Most of his 'hate' posts towards the RL-RP method(s) are derogative and he shits from the high heavens on those who use it (see previous posts) and he says the '"srs RL-RPers" are disdainful, well look at your own posts JDC your the arrogant, self-centered prick who's looking down on others.
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Can those who are upon their high-horse get the f**k off it and just be god damn supportive of anyone's method of roleplay.
If you hate IC/OOC stay clear of it don't be dicks and come on like - "Oh f**k off from server with RL-RP 1337 bullshit" cause this is not the f**king community I joined and it's slowly turning into something much different.
Wow, I agree. o-o
I do not support RL-RP nor am I one to be a 'JDC' (which I mean in a derogatory manner).
We(Corleone) once did some stuff with Stracci, though when the Straccis' joined our CB radio they started using RL-RP stuff.
I just told NitrOx that Corleone does not endorse IC/OOC and you should not expect us to roleplay in that way. He replied saying that around us they would not be using IC/OOC. We spent a good few hours having fun importing heroin (no, not real heroin).
We were two different groups who roleplay completely differently but yet we managed to roleplay fine without having a single 'JDC moment'.
Honestly, as much as some people think the problem is 'RL-RPers', the 'problem' is much more the 'JDC'ers'.
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Can someone explain, with examples, what this "IC/OOC" is? Cause really I do not understand.
Yes, I know IC is in character, and OOC is out of character. Which is kinda obvious as this is a roleplay game played by people... but I dunno why there is such a fuss over it.
Ps. Guys watch your posts or the topic might end up being locked before I get an answer! :conf:
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I'm Batman.
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I cannot identify any group in Argonath quite like Stracci and 424 Blocc. The level of IC/OOC integration in both groups heavily outweighs the Argonath vision of RP. Nitrox and Seskom are both long term veterans, ambassadors of IC/OOC and moderators of this community. Bearing this in mind, it would be interesting to understand why they use IC/OOC to the same standard as L*R*. Hopefully, through their participation, we will be able to answer Jcstodd's question in full and for those who don't understand the concept altogether.
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I don't think the plan was to have Argonath look like another OOC/IC server.
Nor was it to be an IC/OOC rebellion.
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Can someone explain, with examples, what this "IC/OOC" is? Cause really I do not understand.
Yes, I know IC is in character, and OOC is out of character. Which is kinda obvious as this is a roleplay game played by people... but I dunno why there is such a fuss over it.
Read this (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57153.0).
I'm sure practically everyone can agree what Jingle says in the topic is what 'RL-RP' is about.
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Two weeks ago, two fine mates came to IV:MP server. They were unusual at the first sight as they managed to register and login without asking administrators why are they frozen or started yelling at us, "LET ME PLAY!!".
They immediately said Hi and started to play. These two complete strangers, started doing small RPs of rescue, including more and more members. I was happy to see that whenever there was a chat silence, they would propose a new RP. it was quite fun.
Guess what. They come from LS-*P, and they used brackets while we were RPing. While I was RPing with them I also used brackets.
When they asked me how to send a message OOCly here, I said that Argonath does not resemble IC/OOC and powergame/metagame techniques and they should use it at their own risk.
Another very interesting point is that they didn't use brackets with other new comers who just found out about /l(ocal) command.
Tells a lot about the person's RP style, don't you think?
Jonte_Andersen
Rico_Ravioli
Adapt, Improvise and Overcome.
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We must keep the pure dalek form! We must be supreme!
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Adapt, Improvise and Overcome.
You got that line from Undisputed 3? :D
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You got that line from Undisputed 3? :D
;)
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Well, for me... Each person deserve to have his own way to roleplay.. I mean, some people laugh at others cause thay are the same-way thinking people, but they don't laugh at others who have a creative style or have their very very own roleplay way..
I mean seriously, why do you care of the other part is using some characters in his way to roleplay? It's his own choice.. Let's not forget that Argonath is a server which allows players do whatever they want, and does not have 100000000 rules.. (Of course when I saw what they want, I mean WITHIN the already low-amount exist rules.)
I personally do not care for who uses brackets or not, if I meet a person who does use them, I may do it too, because that's the way they will understand you the most, let's just call it their "bracket language".. if I can say that.
I don't really look for who RPs the best.. or "SRS" but who is creative and has his own style... that one I will admire, Examples; Jcstodds, Frank Hawk, Jimmy Cuneo, Justin Djay, Trane.. Uninhibited and many many others.
Using brackets is someone's personal opinion, you can't force him to stop. People say that old veterans have left, and that place is changing, Oh really? Only thing that is changing is people that fail to understand some simple things and argue on EVERY single thing.. like in this time, They argue with players who have their very own way to roleplay. Those who use the "brackets language". (As I mentioned before.)
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The origin of IC/OOC is very simple. On some server people like to throw shit at each other by flaming. To avoid this being seen as negative by their parents :poke:, they invented the IC/OOC stuff, telling IC flame is not real and OOC flame is.
On Argonath flaming is simple forbidden. Regardless if you do it IC or OOC. Same rules go for all, and it does not matter in which chat you type it.
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If everything is to be taken offence whether it's your hollywood gangster character or the actual you equipped with a headset, one hand on the balls and the other on the keyboard - wouldn't it be more offensive to shoot someone than actually saying "f**k you" ?
We are playing a game and I think we all understand that what goes around inside the game comes around inside the game. There's obviously limits when things such as e-bull etc comes in the window.
The characters themselves ingame even flame/insult.
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The origin of IC/OOC is very simple. On some server people like to throw shit at each other by flaming. To avoid this being seen as negative by their parents :poke:, they invented the IC/OOC stuff, telling IC flame is not real and OOC flame is.
On Argonath flaming is simple forbidden. Regardless if you do it IC or OOC. Same rules go for all, and it does not matter in which chat you type it.
Why taking everything serious? We are playing a game.
PM a player if he's comfortable with slang vocabulary you use. That's it, or ask him through any chat command.
Jimmy is totally right. It is a game.
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The origin of IC/OOC is very simple. On some server people like to throw shit at each other by flaming. To avoid this being seen as negative by their parents :poke:, they invented the IC/OOC stuff, telling IC flame is not real and OOC flame is.
I hope you dont honestly think this.
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Why taking everything serious? We are playing a game.
PM a player if he's comfortable with slang vocabulary you use. That's it, or ask him through any chat command.
Jimmy is totally right. It is a game.
Slang is not flaming.
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The annoying thing is, that people use slang even at /p for fun, or to look tough.. but the point is' you do not look any tough, but you make your self look stupid...
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Slang is not flaming.
not all IC/OOC is used for flaming. There is IC/OOC thats for saying something that should be known to the other person to avoid confusion. i.e. /me says Tell me who your working for! Player2 says: (OOC: I'm knocked out, try to wake me up first). Otherwise I would think he isn't talking, and shoot him. Of course he could use /me is knocked out, but its virtually meaning the same thing so could be either way.
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Slang is not flaming.
So If I say "Chinga tu pinchi puta madre culero" to a specific player, it is not flaming because its slang?
I meant slang vocabulary, as in terms.
Player might get offended by that. ( Player that cares about e-achievements )
So better give a player a heads up and ask.
If he responds with "f**k you, wigga" or something similar, it obviously means he doesn't have anything against developing the given RP situation.
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not all IC/OOC is used for flaming. There is IC/OOC thats for saying something that should be known to the other person to avoid confusion. i.e. /me says Tell me who your working for! Player2 says: (OOC: I'm knocked out, try to wake me up first). Otherwise I would think he isn't talking, and shoot him. Of course he could use /me is knocked out, but its virtually meaning the same thing so could be either way.
Apart from that the "I am knocked out" could be seen as powergaming if you follow serious rules, there is not a single reason why someone whould be confused by that sentence.
Unless you try to say you are knocked out in real life, in which case you could not type.
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So If I say "Chinga tu pinchi puta madre culero" to a specific player, it is not flaming because its slang?
I meant slang vocabulary, as in terms.
Player might get offended by that. ( Player that cares about e-achievements )
So better give a player a heads up and ask.
If he responds with "f**k you, wigga" or something similar, it obviously means he doesn't have anything against developing the given RP situation.
Your text is a clear flame, and there for can be punished. I also mean slang vocabulary, and that does not mean using flaming.
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Slang is not flaming.
So. What you're saying is nigga and nig aren't flaming :D
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I also mean slang vocabulary, and that does not mean using flaming ONLY.
Fixed your post.
Slang dictionary in this situation is everything you use that is not standard English.
If both of the RP parties agree on this kind of RP I see no evil.
Why? There won't be /report, public chat moan, "Lazy admins, do something, look at my report!!!!" and/or "OMG stop flaming me".
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/me wonders where this topic is going.....
lol /me command added, forum RP is getting more supported :D
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/me wonders where this topic is going.....
lol /me command added, forum RP is getting more supported :D
The me command has been on the forums for years. :P
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The me command has been on the forums for years. :P
I never saw it.. And I am sure I used /me at the beginning of a line multiple times already.... Or I am blind.. :trust:
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Apart from that the "I am knocked out" could be seen as powergaming if you follow serious rules, there is not a single reason why someone whould be confused by that sentence.
Unless you try to say you are knocked out in real life, in which case you could not type.
Excuse me, I meant to say 'I am still knocked out' inferring that it was known by both players he was knocked out, but I forgot that he was.
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Excuse me, I meant to say 'I am still knocked out' inferring that it was known by both players he was knocked out, but I forgot that he was.
That however does not explain the need for using any kind of indication that you are not knocked out in real life but as character, which is as people try to convince is the reason for IC/OOC.
Regardless if you say /me is knocked out, /l I am still knocked out, /pm I am knocked out or /l (((((( I am knocked out you NOOB RPER)))))) there is one single message you give that should be clear in any way you convey it.
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not all IC/OOC is used for flaming. There is IC/OOC thats for saying something that should be known to the other person to avoid confusion. i.e. /me says Tell me who your working for! Player2 says: (OOC: I'm knocked out, try to wake me up first). Otherwise I would think he isn't talking, and shoot him. Of course he could use /me is knocked out, but its virtually meaning the same thing so could be either way.
Jamal says: Tell me who you working for!
/me is waking up feeling still a bit in a daze.
/me "What did you say? could you repeat that?"
Jamal says: I asked, who are you working for?
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Maybe try an alternative route, if a person has forgotten about the knocking out part.
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Two weeks ago, two fine mates came to IV:MP server. They were unusual at the first sight as they managed to register and login without asking administrators why are they frozen or started yelling at us, "LET ME PLAY!!".
I'm sorry, but this thrilled me.
So, as you say, having common sense (Here: being able to register and login without asking admiinstrators etcetc) makes you special?
Holy f**k.
Also, about the kid-parent topic about real flames, flaming and swearing in general in game.
Well, judging by the ESRB notice, most of the people who get offended by this should'nt be buying/getting this game at the first place. If I remember correct, there are correct pictures on the GTA:SA Box, showing about usage of drugs, swearing and sexual content.
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I'm sorry, but this thrilled me.
So, as you say, having common sense (Here: being able to register and login without asking admiinstrators etcetc) makes you special?
Holy f**k.
Superficiality, we all love it.
Come to the server and see, before you judge.
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Come to the server and see, before you judge.
I don't actually need to come to the server and see, judging by how Internet makes people degrade at very high capacities.
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The response was just what I expected. :lol:
I find it funny that the very same people who have criticized me heavily wouldn't dare lift a finger when Aragorn told the IC/OOCers to fuck off.
And they call me a hypocrite...
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The response was just what I expected. :lol:
I find it funny that the very same people who have criticized me heavily wouldn't dare lift a finger when Aragorn told the IC/OOCers to f**k off.
And they call me a hypocrite...
Isn't that obvious, man?
Owners are clearly against IC/OOC, there's no doubt about it. But everyone deserves to be respected for what kind of way they wish to play, not forced to be using the type of roleplay methods the majority of veterans do (This includes you and your MTA:VC fantasy)
You can't expect respect if you ain't showing respect yourself.
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Owners numerous times told that they created Argonath only for it to award players freedom of imagination and style they play.
There won't be any rule such as "IC/OOC resemblance is forbidden" as
1) It ruins the style of play of others, and Argonath is for freedom of play (In a smart way)
2) It's one step towards creating a jungle of rules.
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@Altair
But owners already said that IC/OOC is not a "style", but a rule.
And what creates more of a jungle?
One rule (no IC/OOC allowed) or at least two required-to-know definitions (IC/OOC) and adjusting all rules to fit IC/OOC (because our super-intelligent players that can play 67 styles at once can't understand simplest rules and need them written for every exception and "style" separately)?
Flaming for example. NO FLAMING is almost never understood by players using IC/OOC, when they flame they ALWAYS use the excuse "but it was IC". inb4 only retardicoocfanaticsusethat, no not only.
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And what about people from other servers with theese so-called rules, who join here?
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They should play by Argonath rules, not by the other rules. Just because it's a similar game mode, does not mean rules are same, or even compatible at some points.
You don't go from a desk job to a construction site job and demand a clean desk and no noise.
If you want other rules so much that you can't play otherwise - stay at the other servers...
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Grizzy - from what I gather, the owners have assessed the threat of IC/OOC and have concluded there is no requirement to make it a rule set in stone. All those who continue to detest this practise including you must accept the fact there is no rule outlawing IC/OOC. In turn you and others continue to accept jeopardising your stance in line with current Argonath rules - which clearly state no indication of IC/OOC principles being outlawed to date. If you and others continue to disagree with what the owners have written - make a topic in SA:MP ideas to outlaw it.
Players, being creative and imaginative - began to mixing a toned down version of IC/OOC and the Argonath vision of RP together. The integration in my view, progressed well enough to make it difficult to differentiate between IC/OOC and Argonath RP in certain scenarios. Over time, this has become more popular and trends continue to support this. As Jcstodds described, people began to realise that in certain scenarios IC/OOC could help to overcome communication barriers and disengage in-game activity for those who are in a less fortunate and comprehending position. This is in stark contrast to all those who are labelled ambassadors of IC/OOC (tom, dick and harry) where our neighbouring IC/OOC communities would laugh at them and rightfully so. :D
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Flaming for example. NO FLAMING is almost never understood by players using IC/OOC, when they flame they ALWAYS use the excuse "but it was IC".
If IC/OOC is something you blame your flaming/insults over, what isn't "slang" then?
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The response was just what I expected. :lol:
I find it funny that the very same people who have criticized me heavily wouldn't dare lift a finger when Aragorn told the IC/OOCers to f**k off.
And they call me a hypocrite...
BECAUSE YOU ARE HYPOCRITE YES AND IM GONNA WRITE ALL OVER IN CAPS LIKE YOUR BUDDY GIAC JR BECAUSE WHEN HE WRITES IN CAPS HES ALWAYS RIGHT.
And what about people from other servers with theese so-called rules, who join here?
Probably, they will have no place there, and after they see how they treat people who support strict roleplay (meanly which is giving most effort to roleplay, not "OMG YOU ARE RLRP GTFO TO RLRLP SREERV MGGOMG") and how they enforce 'no ooc/ic' rule, they leave.
:ps: Oh, Sorry, I cannot be so polite all the time.
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Not all IC/OOC users use "IT WAS IC" as an excuse for flaming. When I used to be mostly IC/OOC, I flamed in what would be "IC" and got caught. I explained to the player that the flaming was directed at his character, not him personally, however I only used this to reduce the amount of offensiveness. I then proceeded to apologize along the lines of... "I sincerely apologize if my words had actually offended you," and accepted responsibility for my actions, as I knew Argonath rules prevent flaming even in the would-be "IC." I didn't complain about the punishment. I damn well knew the policy regarding flame, IC or not.
I explained to the player that the flaming was directed at his character, not him personally, however I only used this to reduce the amount of offensiveness." You might say that's still using "IT WAS IC" as an excuse. See, it's not even an excuse in the first place, because I'm not using it to clean my ass of punishment. Notice how I directed it at the player I flamed and the intentions I said it with. I wasn't thinking "MAN I HOPE THE ADMIN WILL ACCEPT MY EXCUSE," but rather, "Man, I hope I can make this player feel less bad." There has been a time where I said "fuck you" in a phone conversation. The player got a bit offended by it. I proceeded to PM him something along the lines of...
"Hey man, I did not mean to personally insult you. The insult was directed at your roleplay character, however I know this is no excuse for whatever harm I may have done. Therefore, I sincerely apologize to you for the insult I have thrown at you, and hope for your utmost forgiveness." The admin is happy that I apologized, the player is happy that I apologized, the player is also happy that I did not literally mean the insult, and I'm happy that they're happy.
Today, when I wish to "ICly" flame someone, I come to a mutual agreement with the player. For example:
"Hey man, I just want to know if it'd be alright if I could flame a bit. I'd like you remind you that whatever I say is not in any way meant to insult you personally."
And every single time, the player would respond:
"Yeah man, it's alright."
We'd later on be telling each other how we lol'd at the insults we gave.
"Haha, I liked that joke where you said 'yo mama so fat.............'"
"Yeah man, I liked when you said you'd shove your foot so far up my...... LOL"
Using IC to void admin punishment, as almost everyone knows, is not a viable thing to do. The rules clearly state flaming is not allowed, IC or not. Saying it was in-character, in my case, is used to lift the weight of the insult off of the victim's shoulders. And often, premeditating flaming in-character with the "victim" is a perfectly fine solution, as usually the player would clearly state he/she is alright with your inflammatory remarks and completely understands that you in no way mean anything you have said personally.
TL;DR
Saying "fuck you" in /l and being punished for it by an admin is NOT the right time to use "IT WAS IC." The right time to do that is when you are apologizing to the player. The player will usually feel much better after you tell them the insult was not directed at them personally, but not all the time! If you MUST flame in IC, I offer this advice. Either:
1. Make a mutual agreement with you and the flamed.
OR
2. Don't do it AT ALL.
If you can't possibly do number 2, make the flame look harmless! Example:
"I'm going to fucking kill your whole entire family, you retarded fucking bastard of a bitch" some people I know would be going "ROFL" at that, but not everybody will do that!
Of course, this is a HIGHLY offensive remark. You can easily make it harmless by swapping some words with silly words... like
"I'm going to 'feed' your family some 'mashed potatoes', you silly dilly goose!"
Feed - kill
your family some 'mashed potatoes' - kill your whole entire family
you retarded fucking bastard of a bitch - you silly dilly goose!
Often, swapping words with harmless ones makes the statement more hilarious! When I want to call someone a fucking retard in the main chat, I just say "you silly goose!" instead of "you fucking retard." It often results in some minor lols.
And even shorter TL;DR:
IC is NOT an excuse to flame in Argonath RPG. Flaming is COMPLETELY intolerable for good reasons. "IT WAS IC" should only be used in apology, not in defense to admin punishment, as it's for the other player's sake, not yours.. Mutual agreements to flame in IC often results in a MUCH better outcome than what would have happened without the agreement.
And the people who use "IT WAS IC" to actually try to defend themselves from admin punishment deserve a ban for complete ignorance, in my opinion. But Argonath doesn't ban ignorance.
Here's an actual situation that involved a mutual agreement to flame. This is a little different, because I made the mutual agreement a bit later in the roleplay situation, right when things were about to get out of hand. Mutual agreements should be made BEFOREHAND. Names have been changed because I just don't feel like trying to remember them. I have that problem. I'll remember faces, conversations, and activities, but NOT names! No wonder I'm so bad with women.
Note, this was all over the phone.
Bob: Hello, Leon. I have one of your boys here with me.
Leon: Who the fuck is this?
Bob: It's Bob. If you want him alive, you'll pay me 10,000 dollars.
Leon: Man, fuck you! I ain't paying shit!
Bob: Okay then, I'll just have to kill him.
Leon: Fuck you! You're a cruel son of a bitch you know that?
Bob: Hold on Leon. Hey, you know this is just RP right?
Leon: Yeah. Sorry about that, I didn't mean to actually flame you.
Bob: It's okay.
Leon: Hey, you don't mind if I do a little bit of roleplay flaming, do you?
Bob: Yeah sure.
Leon: Alright, just so you know, I don't mean anything that I say to you.
Bob: Same here.
and it went on with lots of lols
Note that this was off of my terrible memory, and is likely highly inaccurate. The only accurate part is where the mutual agreement was made. And the person I flamed took offense to what I said, however, no admin punishment was taken, because I apologized to him and explained what I meant by it, and he accepted it! We agreed to flame for then until the RP situation was over, and it ended without problems. It allowed the full potential of the kidnap between criminal groups RP scenario to come out (where the kidnapped's friends or whatever would be in total rage against the kidnapper and where the kidnapper would be trying to calm him down ["Shut the fuck up or I kill him!"]).
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The only accurate part is where the mutual agreement was made. And the person I flamed took offense to what I said, however, no admin punishment was taken, because I apologized to him and explained what I meant by it, and he accepted it! We agreed to flame for then until the RP situation was over, and it ended without problems. It allowed the full potential of the kidnap between criminal groups RP scenario to come out (where the kidnapped's friends or whatever would be in total rage against the kidnapper and where the kidnapper would be trying to calm him down ["Shut the f**k up or I kill him!"]).
If IC/OOC is something you blame your flaming/insults over, what isn't "slang" then?
YES.
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@Frank
There is no rule directly allowing or even supporting it either, or any rule allowing exceptions from basic rules for IC or OOC context. If players are going to put other server's rules and habits topping over Argonath rules, they are indeed going to be punished. Though as long as there are no collisions between the sets of rules (no Argonath rules are broken), no [administrative] actions from me.
I'm only "outlawing" it clan-side. Same privilege as supporting and requiring it clan/group side.
If players are so creative and imaginative, I wonder why can't they just play by pure Argonath rules instead of trying to mix and blend rules, and use the creativity and imagination for role-play scenarios instead.
@CaptainCrazy
Problem is not what I consider "slang", problem is what the IC/OOC users (or actually anyone flame-happy) consider "slang".
If slang for you is only flaming and swearing at others, then you better not use "slang" at all.
@Pablo
go away, you're more biased than JDC
@Weegee
There is never a situation where someone "must" flame.
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If RLRP players leave it is because they can not handle RP. They need a big set of rules, and things that give them money automatically, as the concept of earning money through work is alien to them.
As for IC/OOC, we do not care as long as people do not treat it as "better". If we would ever have to make a rule on it, the rule wil be to forbid the use.
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JDC want to shit post on IC/OOC users and tel lus its not allowed again? lmao
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As for IC/OOC, we do not care as long as people do not treat it as "better". If we would ever have to make a rule on it, the rule wil be to forbid the use.
This is going in my signature. Thank you.
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If RLRP players leave it is because they can not handle RP.
Sorry but. LOL LOL LOL LOL .... it carries on.
They need a big set of rules, and things that give them money automatically, as the concept of earning money through work is alien to them.
Big set of rules, oh so wrong.
No it's people who can't roleplay to aquire money that need it given automatically - i.e Players who ask for paydays constantly and lottos.
No it's alien to players who can't think anywhere outside of - Cop, Medic, Fireman and Driver.
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No it's alien to players who can't think anywhere outside of - Cop, Medic, Fireman and Driver.
This.
I remember when a player would ask "How to earn money?" other would reply " RP something like ... or join police". Now, its "How to earn money?" , answer is " /jobhelp"
That is the answer they get.
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@Phantom
So you think the problem is the players asking how to earn money or is the problem the answer they get from regular players?
Also you forgot the second sentence in your sig-quote.
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@Phantom
So you think the problem is the players asking how to earn money or is the problem the answer they get from regular players?
Yes, I am aware of my signature. I will explain it further as you read.
What bothers me is how the regulars answer, and how they treat newcomers.
They don't encourage them to think "outside of the box" - /jobhelp.
I remember SA:MP 1.1. Everyone knows everyone. Everyone is friendly to anyone.
Now, its just small groups/fistful of people who socialize and its harder to fit into.
That is why a lot of people moan that RP died on Argonath. Which is totally wrong.
First, they need to start RPing with everyone, and if they go on that damn /hduty and see a message "XXXX has joined the server ...greet him ..... location The Strip, LV" - pick him up. Don't just be a robot and say "Hey use this and this and this".
We need more of that.
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Grizzy, I understand where you are coming from but the point I'm trying to relay to you involves tolerating another form of RP which has been misrepresented by a troublesome minority. Alongside you, I too have played SA:MP since the beginning and share the same values, principles and traditions which characterise our traits. There is no issue with you outlawing it clan/group side, however you must bear in mind that you cannot unequivocally demand the other party to covert to Argonath RP as they cannot expect you to convert to IC/OOC. The same applies to all and is open to interpretation and adjustment where relevant.
Since Gandalf's clarification on the subject of IC/OOC, I can only hope this will become the final chapter in the book. Bearing this in mind, Jamal, Luigi, Void and others should not use this as leverage or betterment on others otherwise the rules are always open to review as indicated. Both parties should now demonstrate restraint and resist the temptation of engaging 'battalions' waging wars on each other.
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others should not use this as leverage or betterment on others otherwise the rules are always open to review as indicated.
This implies, obviously.
As I stated many times before. I like Argonath because it gives you freedom of choice.
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TL;DR
Saying "f**k you" in /l and being punished for it by an admin is NOT the right time to use "IT WAS IC." The right time to do that is when you are apologizing to the player. The player will usually feel much better after you tell them the insult was not directed at them personally, but not all the time! If you MUST flame in IC, I offer this advice. Either:
1. Make a mutual agreement with you and the flamed.
OR
2. Don't do it AT ALL.
If you can't possibly do number 2, make the flame look harmless! Example:
"I'm going to f**king kill your whole entire family, you retarded f**king bastard of a bitch" some people I know would be going "ROFL" at that, but not everybody will do that!
Of course, this is a HIGHLY offensive remark. You can easily make it harmless by swapping some words with silly words... like
"I'm going to 'feed' your family some 'mashed potatoes', you silly dilly goose!"
Feed - kill
your family some 'mashed potatoes' - kill your whole entire family
you retarded f**king bastard of a bitch - you silly dilly goose!
Often, swapping words with harmless ones makes the statement more hilarious! When I want to call someone a f**king retard in the main chat, I just say "you silly goose!" instead of "you f**king retard." It often results in some minor lols.
And even shorter TL;DR:
IC is NOT an excuse to flame in Argonath RPG. Flaming is COMPLETELY intolerable for good reasons. "IT WAS IC" should only be used in apology, not in defense to admin punishment, as it's for the other player's sake, not yours.. Mutual agreements to flame in IC often results in a MUCH better outcome than what would have happened without the agreement.
And the people who use "IT WAS IC" to actually try to defend themselves from admin punishment deserve a ban for complete ignorance, in my opinion. But Argonath doesn't ban ignorance.
Is the tl;dr supposed to stay long? urdoinitwrong.
Yes, I am aware of my signature. I will explain it further as you read.
What bothers me is how the regulars answer, and how they treat newcomers.
They don't encourage them to think "outside of the box" - /jobhelp.
I remember SA:MP 1.1. Everyone knows everyone. Everyone is friendly to anyone.
Now, its just small groups/fistful of people who socialize and its harder to fit into.
That is why a lot of people moan that RP died on Argonath. Which is totally wrong.
First, they need to start RPing with everyone, and if they go on that damn /hduty and see a message "XXXX has joined the server ...greet him ..... location The Strip, LV" - pick him up. Don't just be a robot and say "Hey use this and this and this".
We need more of that.
Excellent speech my friend...
Though, there are people who "helps" newcommers to, let's say, "rank up" and by that I mean gaining status admired by the whole community, in common words: hypocritism.
Those who keeps critizing and telling us how to act, how to do not act, how we help newcommers, how we do not help. once again, to gain status.
""Real heroes are anonymous" (inb4 btard) As an example of this, we can see a family called: Gulucan - Known for beeing deathmatchers, rulebreakers and cheaters but noone looks at the "bright" side, as they're recruiting newcommers into their family and teaching them the basics, making them stay with us and they're disrespected everyday.
In my opinion, those "non-respected-families" are the good ones, and not those who keeps posting in threads telling us we need to help newcommers.
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Is the tl;dr supposed to stay long? urdoinitwrong.
Excellent speech my friend...
Though, there are people who "helps" newcommers to, let's say, "rank up" and by that I mean gaining status admired by the whole community, in common words: hypocritism.
Those who keeps critizing and telling us how to act, how to do not act, how we help newcommers, how we do not help. once again, to gain status.
""Real heroes are anonymous" (inb4 btard) As an example of this, we can see a family called: Gulucan - Known for beeing deathmatchers, rulebreakers and cheaters but noone looks at the "bright" side, as they're recruiting newcommers into their family and teaching them the basics, making them stay with us and they're disrespected everyday.
In my opinion, those "non-respected-families" are the good ones, and not those who keeps posting in threads telling us we need to help newcommers.
I RPed with some Gulucan members. They are dudes, who want to play, just like you and me do.
They are called DMers by who? Same those players that don't want to RP rather than pump their statistics.
I've seen some individuals saying "gulululuululu" and different indirect jokes about their family. Remo made a topic, added a members list. He is trying to survive among sea of other groups, isn't he?
When I was a newcomer, I attended one of those Carhartt shows, when he recruited newborn IG rappers to diss-track Solonik, SAPD etc. :D
Some events you pass here, decide whether you like it here or not. Lets make it better for each other, because players are those who dictate the server atmosphere.
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Stated before and I will state it again...
IC/OOC is not a style of roleplay, it is a set of rules from other servers.
You are not supposed to bring rules from other servers here.
So when you endorse IC/OOC, you condone the bringing in of rules from other places.
We don't bring our rules there, so don't bring theirs here.
@Pablo and Jamal:
- Grow some common sense then come back.
Both of you and Giac may be moaners... but the difference between him and the both of you is that Giac knows exactly what he is moaning about and actually wants what is good for the community, whereas both of you are moaners who merely shit on everything, this community, and the people who defend it.
If we ever get the green light from the High Administration to clear the server of moaners, I wonder where both of you will end up...
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IC/OOC is not a style of roleplay, it is a set of rules from other servers.
You are not supposed to bring rules from other servers here.
So when you endorse IC/OOC, you condone the bringing in of rules from other places.
We don't bring our rules there, so don't bring theirs here.
OK, how about we add questions upon entrance in the server which you must answer in order to play.
Like what is IC/OOC, is it supported, say a quote from Argonath Vision, number at least 2 admins, number a few rules etc...
All your problems will be solved!
Or better yet, limit the player slots to 30-40.
Oh wait ...
Acting like a tyrant won't help you in your cause. Freedom of role play is what attracts people here.
To sum it up:
Freedom = something you don't like = people automatically shit on the server.
Very nice policy, If I may say.
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@Phantom
Look what you did there. Again an idea to make quizzes and restrictions to players. But it wasn't JDC who proposed - it was YOU.
And even freedom has its limits.
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Hmm
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And even freedom has its limits.
That's paradox.
You can limit your freedom, but freedom can't have it's limits.
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Sorry but. LOL LOL LOL LOL .... it carries on.
Big set of rules, oh so wrong.
No it's people who can't roleplay to aquire money that need it given automatically - i.e Players who ask for paydays constantly and lottos.
No it's alien to players who can't think anywhere outside of - Cop, Medic, Fireman and Driver.
I have seen your RP has deteriorated immensely since you decided to believe in such words.
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I've seen some individuals saying "gulululuululu" and different indirect jokes about their family.
Most of those jokes are nothing but jokes...
If they care, they report :razz:( as seen before )
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@Altair
Freedom without any limits is anarchy, chaos, runtime errors and stack overflows.
You can't do ANYTHING saying "it's a free country".
You can't say ANYTHING saying "I got freedom of speech".
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@Altair
Freedom without any limits is anarchy, chaos, runtime errors and stack overflows.
You can't do ANYTHING saying "it's a free country".
You can't say ANYTHING saying "I got freedom of speech".
That's not freedom then.
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Stated before and I will state it again...
IC/OOC is not a style of roleplay, it is a set of rules from other servers.
IC/OOC is not a rule within the borders of Argonath RPG.
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Stated before and I will state it again...
IC/OOC is not a style of roleplay, it is a set of rules from other servers.
You are not supposed to bring rules from other servers here.
So when you endorse IC/OOC, you condone the bringing in of rules from other places.
We don't bring our rules there, so don't bring theirs here.
@Pablo and Jamal:
- Grow some common sense then come back.
Both of you and Giac may be moaners... but the difference between him and the both of you is that Giac knows exactly what he is moaning about and actually wants what is good for the community, whereas both of you are moaners who merely shit on everything, this community, and the people who defend it.
If we ever get the green light from the High Administration to clear the server of moaners, I wonder where both of you will end up...
your fucking stupid. 'I dont know what I'm moaning about?' 1. I'm not moaning in the first place. I am inputting my opinion. IF iam moaning your moaning too. 'grow some common sense' LMAO you can't even 'grow it' your brain is already stuffed with bullshit you claim i dop every day. you must look forward to saying crap from your mouth because all I see is a guy who doesn't like me so he will randomly pull something out of his ass to try to make a point.
Do me a favor, smarty, and quote where ihave moaned 'constantly' and 'shit on everything, this community and the people who defend it' I said one thing in this topic and your crazy self went ape shit 'ZOMG U RUION THIS SERVER MOANAR ZOMG U SHIT ON EVERYTHING' you want to know what I see as 'shitting on everything'? You posting like your smart in SA:MP idea topics 'RP it', 'Use common sense' how about you use your brain and make a constructive post other than provoking the topic itself. Then you cry when someone makes a post like that, check yourself first.
PS. when failing to find quotes proving i 'constantly shit on' everything, dont get a quote from Aragorn commenting about me because that does nothing.
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@Phantom
Look what you did there. Again an idea to make quizzes and restrictions to players. But it wasn't JDC who proposed - it was YOU.
And even freedom has its limits.
After I clearly said that I like Argonath because of its FREEDOM in role play, I answer to JDC with a sarcastic tone. Saying "NO, f**k off with IC/OOC and its a rule omg forbid it" does sound like a prohibition, isn't it? and it wasn't ME who said it then individuals such as yourself.
As I said:
Very nice policy, If I may say.
I don't want limitations
I don't want people to feel stranded in role play
I don't want to blend and only role play with a fistful of people
I don't want to see newcomers getting bumped out of the server because some players thinks they are better.
I don't want someone saying IC/OOC is better and everything else is unprofessional.
and the last but not least, i don't want to see a regular capitalizing a player to use brackets because "OMG no OOC while RP". To think about the commentaries in many CB channels such as: " He can't RP ", I would immediately ban the whole channel from use.
Thank you for reading and I hope you can see my point.
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Oh and for the record, I enjoyed seeing Giac moan. I'm sure he has a feel of what others who he has punished for such things feel like now and probably understands sometimes people can't help it. It was honest to god pretty sweet to see the hardass giac I always like. And as for Grz, I can respect his opinion but Don't agree with it, and I also like how he actually posts something constructive.
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That's not freedom then.
Your freedom will always be limited by the freedom of others, and those who have the most possibility to limit the freedom of others will have the most freedom.
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Before accusations get pressed on me again, I'm not speaking (typing) here because I prefer IC/OOC, but because I want players to feel comfortable roleplaying within Argonath RPG with what they're used to. If they (IC/OOC users) press it on other players ("use fucking brackets tard"), I have no problem with you calling them retards personally. But when the whole IC/OOC crowd, including those who don't press it on people, who don't use IC/OOC as an excuse to flame, and don't flame the non-users, immediately get thrown such statements like "YOU CANT USE UR BRAIN", "YOU HAV NO IMAGINATIANO", "Wanna IC/OOC? Then fuck off from Argonath...", then I feel truly as though the server are becoming as elitist as the true retarded RLRPers (retarded RLRPer definition: one who comes to Argonath and does shit like flaming others for not using IC/OOC, uses IC as an excuse against admin punishment, pushes it on others).
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Oh and for the record, I enjoyed seeing Giac moan. I'm sure he has a feel of what others who he has punished for such things feel like now and probably understands sometimes people can't help it. It was honest to god pretty sweet to see the hardass giac I always like. And as for Grz, I can respect his opinion but Don't agree with it, and I also like how he actually posts something constructive.
I've always changed my IP and used my non admin account while admin, I've always known damn straight how hard it is sometimes to be a regular player.
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Your freedom will always be limited by the freedom of others, and those who have the most possibility to limit the freedom of others will have the most freedom.
Nothing is true, everything is permitted.
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I will find your quotes, Jamal, when I get to a normal PC. For now, I'm using my phone to surf and post.
As for the Ideas Board, notice that I am actually one of those people who hear the voice of common sense, rather than just another one of the legions who support every idea no matter how god damn retarded or senseless it is. Many of my posts are ACTUALLY constructive posts in disguise, and anyone with half a brain can see that fact. Since you can't, I wonder what that makes you.
And for the record, until you can prove otherwise, Aragorn's point about you being a moaner stands.
So does his threat to ban you if you will not stop with the moaning bullshit.
@Altair:
Assassins' Creed?
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@Altair:
Assassins' Creed?
Yes.
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:roll:
Today, the subject is back ingame.
People are saying it's a rule: "Do not force RP" to new players.
They're also saying "Tell the person to /gu before investigating him", this may be another thing...
They even say that it's written in the forums that it's not allowed.
Didn't really get a clear message.
Can an owner state clearly in a new thread regarding this matter?
So far I think it is, and it makes sense, and admins see the same of this in-game: People are free to rp what they like, when they like, where they like (as long as it's not obvious harassment/ inconvenient to fellow players), also you should not use the reason of "they are terrible roleplayer" or "They are annoying" or generally saying you do not like them to avoid roleplay with them.
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I will find your quotes, Jamal, when I get to a normal PC. For now, I'm using my phone to surf and post.
As for the Ideas Board, notice that I am actually one of those people who hear the voice of common sense, rather than just another one of the legions who support every idea no matter how god damn retarded or senseless it is. Many of my posts are ACTUALLY constructive posts in disguise, and anyone with half a brain can see that fact. Since you can't, I wonder what that makes you.
And for the record, until you can prove otherwise, Aragorn's point about you being a moaner stands.
So does his threat to ban you if you will not stop with the moaning bullshit.
@Altair:
Assassins' Creed?
me lold. You did the same thing again. You make up that i am a super moaner and i am a bser and shit because i posted moan in like 1 topic (if it could even be considered moan, what I posted).
I had already apologized for what aragorn claimed i was a moaner for, and I also had a response which he has yet to answer. Get your facts right at least before making a lie to me.
How does posting 'use common sense' make constructive posting??? all your stating is a provoke in disguise and basically saying the person is stupid because they had an idea, an opinion. so you call someone stupid for an opinion. Remember when i said you acted like hitler...?
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You just don't have enough comprehension to see what I hide in my posts. Anyone intelligent can get a good suggestion out of any of my posts in an idea that fall short of total criticism altogether...
As for the Hitler thing... why thank you, I'm quite flattered. :lol:
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As for the Hitler thing... why thank you, I'm quite flattered. :lol:
JDC's serious.
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Just fucking RP.
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You just don't have enough comprehension to see what I hide in my posts. Anyone intelligent can get a good suggestion out of any of my posts in an idea that fall short of total criticism altogether...
As for the Hitler thing... why thank you, I'm quite flattered. :lol:
Ahh, sarcasm at its worst. I make a claim against you and you obviously can't answer it so you turn to sarcasm 'I'm quite flattered'
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I was not being sarcastic. :)
Accusing me does not change the fact that you are moaning about Argonath and the people inside it... and I am not the only one who noticed that.
So, some observations from the Hitler. (funny how I get that label without being nazistic)
You and I make statements against certain people. The difference is that I state facts while you flame, moan, and shit.
Me: "You obviously have not used your common sense or brain here."
You: "You stupid blind hitler, fuck off from here now kthxbai"
See the [very obvious] difference?
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Ahh, sarcasm at its worst. I make a claim against you and you obviously can't answer it so you turn to sarcasm 'I'm quite flattered'
You're sure?
Better stop being on Jdc's all the time, i think he knows exactly what he does, and he does it pretty well.
If you start comparing Hitler to JDC, then i think you better take some lessons or two in history class about World War 2.
Hitler was someone FAR more different then our own JDC, keep that in your mind buddy, with your overreacting comments.
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Hitler was someone FAR more different then our own JDC, keep that in your mind buddy, with your overreacting comments.
Yeah, you won't see JDC doing this kind of fine art.
(http://www.bytwerk.com/gpa/images/hitlerpaintings/hitlerart4.jpg)
(http://images.stanzapub.com/readers/quazen/2008/07/24/234127_3.jpg)
(http://files.sharenator.com/g252018-s400x255-864-580.jpg)
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Hitler was more charismatic and actually made sense and was even more serious.
Comparing him to JDC is like comparing Obama to Daco.
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Comparing him to JDC is like comparing Obama to Daco.
wat
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Heil Obama.
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Hitler was more charismatic and actually made sense and was even more serious.
Comparing him to JDC is like comparing Obama to Daco.
tru but I was comparing in meaning he is shitting on anyone who does not share his opinion.
Heil Obama.
lol
I was not being sarcastic. :)
Accusing me does not change the fact that you are moaning about Argonath and the people inside it... and I am not the only one who noticed that.
So, some observations from the Hitler. (funny how I get that label without being nazistic)
You and I make statements against certain people. The difference is that I state facts while you flame, moan, and shit.
Me: "You obviously have not used your common sense or brain here."
You: "You stupid blind hitler, f**k off from here now kthxbai"
See the [very obvious] difference?
So you say your not a hitler but you like being called it? lol. And Accusing you doesn't make a difference indeed, mostly because you couldn't have the power to answer me anyway. Once again you slide off the topic to avoid my claim. Also: quote fail - point to me where i said ''You stupid blind hitler, f**k off from here now kthxbai'' I only remember calling you hitler and asking you to leave the topic if you were continuing to post in the way how i compared you with hitler, but you wouldnt listen anyway. Let me give you some bullshit. The difference is that I state fair claims while you avoid them only to repeat 'you moaner.' though its true, I wouldn't keep it that way because we are both flaming and provoking each other, both are making valid points. Lets say - you stop calling me a moaner because i said ONE bad thing, and I will stop provoking and flaming you. deel?
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PROTIP: Avoid usage of the word "you" in any sort of argument. Try "I" instead.
WRONG: You're always fucking calling me a moaner and I fucking hate it when you push this bullshit on me
RIGHT: I feel like I am being wrongly accused of being a moaner, and I do not like it.
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PROTIP: Avoid usage of the word "you" in any sort of argument. Try "I" instead.
WRONG: You're always f**king calling me a moaner and I f**king hate it when you push this bullshit on me
RIGHT: I feel like I am being wrongly accused of being a moaner, and I do not like it.
Is no protip... is UBERZOR-1337-PROTIP :D
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PROTIP: Avoid usage of the word "you" in any sort of argument. Try "I" instead.
WRONG: You're always f**king calling me a moaner and I f**king hate it when you push this bullshit on me
RIGHT: I feel like I am being wrongly accused of being a moaner, and I do not like it.
You can have a decent discussion if all forms of the 'Me' form is getting used aswell. It's all about how it's put in context.
Good point tough. Many discussions end in accusations.
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This thread should be closed immediately for two things:
- Off topic
- Provoking and insulting
I'm seriously mad looking at these posts being made. Nothingness, random, nonconstructive comments. First of, you came here to make friends, not to provoke others with cliche/superficial jokes/insults. Harassing people over the screen, yes, the best solution to get to the topic point.
Let me ask you something. WHEN was the golden age of Argonath? People on SA:MP talked about MTA:VC times. People from MTA:VC talked about developed SA:MP.
Ask a player from 2009 and he'll say " In 2009, there was a lot less moaning".
Ask a player from 2008 and he'll say " In 2008 there was a lot less moaning"
Same goes for all other ages. I ask you why? Do people get bored of Argonath?
Lets start with 2008. IC/OOC? Yes. 2007? Yes, of course, yes. IC/OOC is here since buttf**k forever and you still argue about it.
You cannot stop the "RP flow" on Argonath. The only solution is to ban a lot of people, and I mean A LOT, or remove the server from hosted or make it private.
Where the good times when =MS= was seen In game a lot?
Where the good times when we had people like Crimson, Kaltsu, Dogmatic,Lionz, Merc, Carhartt, Empire, Hess, punkemo, Niall, Shaheen, Petey and more veterans In game?
Where the good times when you could see owners playing?
Everyone has its own "good/golden time".
@JDC
You, JDC, just rant about something that has been here longer then you.
Remember Merc's RP tutorial? or Hayden's? Both got shitted because it was IC/OOC included. When was the year, remind me? 2008!
People were posting and moaning that server RP is dieing and Argonath is being used as a social portal or something.
I see your pride goes beyond your own shadow. You came here in 2008? What was happening then? People moaning? Want me to show you proof of your golden times?It was your golden time. Players from 2007 might had a different opinion. Some people played here more then you and they have THEE respect for everyone's form of RP. I've seen so many talented and friendly RPers who accepted Argonath Vision and anyone's RP regardless if they use IC/OOC, they never went like you. "Almighty" JDC who knows everything.
Don't shove Argonath Vision in front of my face because it is just a topic, a mere subject on these pages. Argonath vision are PLAYERS, no one else.
The one and only, OWNER, told that he accepts everyone's RP as long as its not promoted as better. See my signature, for more info.
If no one respected these set of scores/goals, there wouldn't be no Argonath Vision!
Now stop shitting on a guy sitting 10000000 miles away on another PC in another state. same goes for you Jamal and Weegee.
You should try to play and enjoy this game instead of f**king e-drama on this topic with "but,but,but, server owners ..said, but"
Cheers to Frank Hawk and Grzesiek who actually posted something constructive in this topic.
If you counter reply to this post, you either don't posses a reading skill or you really like to dramatize that EVERYTHING is going to shit and we are all doomed because of IC/OOCers.
You came here for one reason. To develop English, meet interesting people and have fun.
ARGONATH = FREEDOM. We all like it because of that. RP, have fun and HAPPY GAMING.
Remember that you are in front of a f**king PC screen, you play a f**king game and its all about e-respect, playa.
Regards,
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It may not be constructive to you but what JDC and I posted is nothing personal. There is no 'e-respect' it is just respect. I can and do respect JDC for stepping up and saying, but at the same time I have my own opinion and it doesn't match with JDCs, so we argue. Its not like we are arguing just to piss each other off.
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Where the good times when =MS= was seen In game a lot?
Where the good times when we had people like Crimson, Kaltsu, Dogmatic,Lionz, Merc, Carhartt, Empire, Hess, punkemo, Niall, Shaheen, Petey and more veterans In game?
Where the good times when you could see owners playing?
Yes, yes and yes.
I remember all of the guys you listed on the second line :D I haven't seen the name punkemo for years...
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Yes, yes and yes.
I remember all of the guys you listed on the second line :D
:pop:
You and JDC are alike. Have you ever RPed together?
I believe no, from what I see in the comments.
Try it. You'll have a complete different opinion of each other.
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Cheers to Frank Hawk and Grzesiek who actually posted something constructive in this topic.
dude i wanna whore in your post too this is just a bit constructive right???
Not all IC/OOC users use "IT WAS IC" as an excuse for flaming. When I used to be mostly IC/OOC, I flamed in what would be "IC" and got caught. I explained to the player that the flaming was directed at his character, not him personally, however I only used this to reduce the amount of offensiveness. I then proceeded to apologize along the lines of... "I sincerely apologize if my words had actually offended you," and accepted responsibility for my actions, as I knew Argonath rules prevent flaming even in the would-be "IC." I didn't complain about the punishment. I damn well knew the policy regarding flame, IC or not.
I explained to the player that the flaming was directed at his character, not him personally, however I only used this to reduce the amount of offensiveness." You might say that's still using "IT WAS IC" as an excuse. See, it's not even an excuse in the first place, because I'm not using it to clean my ass of punishment. Notice how I directed it at the player I flamed and the intentions I said it with. I wasn't thinking "MAN I HOPE THE ADMIN WILL ACCEPT MY EXCUSE," but rather, "Man, I hope I can make this player feel less bad." There has been a time where I said "f**k you" in a phone conversation. The player got a bit offended by it. I proceeded to PM him something along the lines of...
"Hey man, I did not mean to personally insult you. The insult was directed at your roleplay character, however I know this is no excuse for whatever harm I may have done. Therefore, I sincerely apologize to you for the insult I have thrown at you, and hope for your utmost forgiveness." The admin is happy that I apologized, the player is happy that I apologized, the player is also happy that I did not literally mean the insult, and I'm happy that they're happy.
Today, when I wish to "ICly" flame someone, I come to a mutual agreement with the player. For example:
"Hey man, I just want to know if it'd be alright if I could flame a bit. I'd like you remind you that whatever I say is not in any way meant to insult you personally."
And every single time, the player would respond:
"Yeah man, it's alright."
We'd later on be telling each other how we lol'd at the insults we gave.
"Haha, I liked that joke where you said 'yo mama so fat.............'"
"Yeah man, I liked when you said you'd shove your foot so far up my...... LOL"
Using IC to void admin punishment, as almost everyone knows, is not a viable thing to do. The rules clearly state flaming is not allowed, IC or not. Saying it was in-character, in my case, is used to lift the weight of the insult off of the victim's shoulders. And often, premeditating flaming in-character with the "victim" is a perfectly fine solution, as usually the player would clearly state he/she is alright with your inflammatory remarks and completely understands that you in no way mean anything you have said personally.
TL;DR
Saying "f**k you" in /l and being punished for it by an admin is NOT the right time to use "IT WAS IC." The right time to do that is when you are apologizing to the player. The player will usually feel much better after you tell them the insult was not directed at them personally, but not all the time! If you MUST flame in IC, I offer this advice. Either:
1. Make a mutual agreement with you and the flamed.
OR
2. Don't do it AT ALL.
If you can't possibly do number 2, make the flame look harmless! Example:
"I'm going to f**king kill your whole entire family, you retarded f**king bastard of a bitch" some people I know would be going "ROFL" at that, but not everybody will do that!
Of course, this is a HIGHLY offensive remark. You can easily make it harmless by swapping some words with silly words... like
"I'm going to 'feed' your family some 'mashed potatoes', you silly dilly goose!"
Feed - kill
your family some 'mashed potatoes' - kill your whole entire family
you retarded f**king bastard of a bitch - you silly dilly goose!
Often, swapping words with harmless ones makes the statement more hilarious! When I want to call someone a f**king retard in the main chat, I just say "you silly goose!" instead of "you f**king retard." It often results in some minor lols.
And even shorter TL;DR:
IC is NOT an excuse to flame in Argonath RPG. Flaming is COMPLETELY intolerable for good reasons. "IT WAS IC" should only be used in apology, not in defense to admin punishment, as it's for the other player's sake, not yours.. Mutual agreements to flame in IC often results in a MUCH better outcome than what would have happened without the agreement.
And the people who use "IT WAS IC" to actually try to defend themselves from admin punishment deserve a ban for complete ignorance, in my opinion. But Argonath doesn't ban ignorance.
Here's an actual situation that involved a mutual agreement to flame. This is a little different, because I made the mutual agreement a bit later in the roleplay situation, right when things were about to get out of hand. Mutual agreements should be made BEFOREHAND. Names have been changed because I just don't feel like trying to remember them. I have that problem. I'll remember faces, conversations, and activities, but NOT names! No wonder I'm so bad with women.
Note, this was all over the phone.
Bob: Hello, Leon. I have one of your boys here with me.
Leon: Who the f**k is this?
Bob: It's Bob. If you want him alive, you'll pay me 10,000 dollars.
Leon: Man, f**k you! I ain't paying shit!
Bob: Okay then, I'll just have to kill him.
Leon: f**k you! You're a cruel son of a bad girl you know that?
Bob: Hold on Leon. Hey, you know this is just RP right?
Leon: Yeah. Sorry about that, I didn't mean to actually flame you.
Bob: It's okay.
Leon: Hey, you don't mind if I do a little bit of roleplay flaming, do you?
Bob: Yeah sure.
Leon: Alright, just so you know, I don't mean anything that I say to you.
Bob: Same here.
and it went on with lots of lols
Note that this was off of my terrible memory, and is likely highly inaccurate. The only accurate part is where the mutual agreement was made. And the person I flamed took offense to what I said, however, no admin punishment was taken, because I apologized to him and explained what I meant by it, and he accepted it! We agreed to flame for then until the RP situation was over, and it ended without problems. It allowed the full potential of the kidnap between criminal groups RP scenario to come out (where the kidnapped's friends or whatever would be in total rage against the kidnapper and where the kidnapper would be trying to calm him down ["Shut the f**k up or I kill him!"]).
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:pop:
You and JDC are alike. Have you ever RPed together?
I believe no, from what I see in the comments.
Try it. You'll have a complete different opinion of each other.
Of course we've RPed together! It's silly to suggest we haven't.
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Respect every style of roleplay, and respect every others opinion and there will be no problem.
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@Phantom: Carhartt left SA:MP I think.
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Carhartt left SA:MP long ago after he tried to impose rules on others- which was noted by RON as well in an age-old argue topic.
As for Giac... I think he was referring to me and Jamal. :lol:
And lastly... the Argonath Vision is not a mere topic. It is the direction that the owners intended to progress the community in- you can even see their statement at the start of the topic.
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And lastly... the Argonath Vision is not a mere topic. It is the direction that the owners intended to progress the community in- you can even see their statement at the start of the topic.
Exactly, a progress. That's why I don't get why Argonath's conservatives are talking so much about how things used to be and that we should try to be like that once again. If we would go back how things used to be, it would be regress not progress.
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Exactly, a progress. That's why I don't get why Argonath's conservatives are talking so much about how things used to be and that we should try to be like that once again. If we would go back how things used to be, it would be regress not progress.
/thread.
This can now be locked?
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We try to conserve old values and beliefs, not necessarily the community or the people.
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We try to conserve old values and beliefs, not necessarily the community or the people.
Where's your moaning attitude?
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So "Conservative" is now a gang? Woah that's new...
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Exactly, a progress. That's why I don't get why Argonath's conservatives are talking so much about how things used to be and that we should try to be like that once again. If we would go back how things used to be, it would be regress not progress.
If you speak to any Argonath Player from any time era, you will see that values have degenerated in the Argonath Community as a whole, which is why conservatives seek the restoration of the olden state of values, but not necessarily at the cost of forbidding progress. Our agenda is positive progress through restoration of the positive values at their old scale- which is why we try to preserve those values.
True, progress is happening in Argonath... but much of that progress has been regress, technically. In the past, Argonath was not a community filled with strife and moaning, yet when you look at the present, the question "Is this even progress?" comes to mind.
The scripts and other features got better, but at what cost? The values of the players.
You were from the olden times as well, Jubin. You should be one of those most able to see the regress that has taken place widely throughout the community.
And lastly... the term "Conservatives" refers to those who seek the preservation of old values (again said)... the more appropriate term would be "faction", not "gang".
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So "Conservative" is now a gang? Woah that's new...
We prefer "krew" ;)
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If you speak to any Argonath Player from any time era, you will see that values have degenerated in the Argonath Community as a whole, which is why conservatives seek the restoration of the olden state of values, but not necessarily at the cost of forbidding progress. Our agenda is positive progress through restoration of the positive values at their old scale- which is why we try to preserve those values.
True, progress is happening in Argonath... but much of that progress has been regress, technically. In the past, Argonath was not a community filled with strife and moaning, yet when you look at the present, the question "Is this even progress?" comes to mind.
The scripts and other features got better, but at what cost? The values of the players.
You were from the olden times as well, Jubin. You should be one of those most able to see the regress that has taken place widely throughout the community.
And lastly... the term "Conservatives" refers to those who seek the preservation of old values (again said)... the more appropriate term would be "faction", not "gang".
No sorry.
2007 was a FUN year for me. So many new people, regardless commands, unknown territory those people made me feel like a veteran there.
Such simplicity, friendliness.
You cannot seek preservation of old values while society goes forward. Were you here in 2006? at 2007? No. IC/OOC was present at 2007, except we didn't have people bitch around that RP is dieing, it sucks and has degenerated.
You(Conservatives) are not a gang or a creed. You are people who cannot find themselves in RP and cannot think of their identity.
You do not posses a skill to blend, and that's the truth.
Sure, now say you can blend in, but I ask you,why do you disrespect around then?
Who would play the server when you restore these old values? Do you know that this server lives of self support, visits and site clicks?
You cannot have site clicks, etc without PLAYERS
One more thing JDC: Regardless of your time zone, I never see you online, and you talk like this?
Have in mind that even old veterans replied negatively to your posts here.
Now I see why people compare you to Hitler.
I don't have anything against you, but your head is stuck up in regressing the server, your eyes are blinded.
Argonath Vision are PLAYERS.
When the Romans made the constitution, would it be a "constitution" if Romans didn't respect it and go by their own rules?
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True, progress is happening in Argonath... but much of that progress has been regress, technically. In the past, Argonath was not a community filled with strife and moaning, yet when you look at the present, the question "Is this even progress?" comes to mind.
I disagree with the conservatives point of view. I say current Argonath community isn't filled with strife's and moaners. What I think my opponent is thinking is that there are more moaners than in the past. What is not taken into consideration is the size of the community has also increased.
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You cannot seek preservation of old values while society goes forward. Were you here in 2006? at 2007? No. IC/OOC was present at 2007, except we didn't have people bad girl around that RP is dieing, it sucks and has degenerated.
Preservation of old values- wRONg. The values we seek to preserve are the ones responsible for turning Argonath into such a successful community today (unlike others which ended up developing chaotic players in general and shit-corrupt administrations).
As for the second part about people b*tching... it proves my point that the progress of the server came with degeneration as well.
You(Conservatives) are not a gang or a creed. You are people who cannot find themselves in RP and cannot think of their identity.
You do not posses a skill to blend, and that's the truth.
Sure, now say you can blend in, but I ask you,why do you disrespect around then?
Oh, I can blend. I can take on your IC/OOC principles and any other damned style of RP for that matter- and excel at doing them.
I just desire not to... just because we could, it does not mean we should.
As for lack of RP ability and identity crises- you are mistaken. I very well know what my aims, agenda, and identity are and I certainly consider myself as another accomplished roleplayer, having learned from real Argonath Veterans even before I came to SA:MP.
Who would play the server when you restore these old values? Do you know that this server lives of self support, visits and site clicks?
You cannot have site clicks, etc without PLAYERS
Let's try the inverse question.
Who would not want to play on a server where there is far less moaning, b*tching, flaming, hostility, strife, chaos, and other similar concepts?
One more thing JDC: Regardless of your time zone, I never see you online, and you talk like this?
Many people have seen me online... maybe we just have really different timezones.
Mine is CET+8 or so, meaning most of my administrative work is carried out during what people call the "unholy hours".
Have in mind that even old veterans replied negatively to your posts here.
Now I see why people compare you to Hitler.
Have in mind as well that all veterans do not necessarily have similar views. I have been both acclaimed and criticized not only by old veterans, but by players from all experience levels.
If people compare me to Hitler because I stand up for Argonath and its Owners- so be it.
I don't have anything against you, but your head is stuck up in regressing the server, your eyes are blinded.
Argonath Vision are PLAYERS.
The Argonath Vision is not the players... those are two different things.
The Argonath Vision is a set of values (or a creed) set down by the Owners as a guide for the players and as the agenda by which they wished to progress the server.
How well did it turn out? We certainly don't have 8,000 players for no reason- few communities in GTA Multiplayer have achieved that, if any others have.
Now, let me come to a general conclusion.
Your perception of Conservatives certainly is a mistaken one... a very mistaken one.
You happen to be one of those people who conclude that conservatives seek to halt all progress for the server and start a regression.
Well, you are wRONg.
A conservative seeks what is good for the community by advocating the restoration of positive values found in the past and opposing the proliferation of negative values which is happening in the present.
I have a question for you, and I'd like you to answer it.
There are two communities that started out in the same manner, at the same time, with the same values which kept hostility in its rightful place- outside.
Over time, Community 1 lost more and more of its values through eventual deterioration until it ended up in a state of de facto anarchy, its servers ruled by hostility and its players constantly targeting each other.
On the other hand, Community 2 started down the same eventual path as Community 1, but decided to preserve its values and succeeded in controlling hostilities, leading to a more peaceful environment that still attracted players.
Both communities achieved progress, yes. But in your eyes, which of the two communities achieved better progress?
(For those who are wondering about any actual comparisons- this is a fictitious example. If this were actual, Argonath would still be on the midpoint between the comparison communities' beginnings and ends.)
Also, for anyone who thinks that pro-Argonath speeches are a form of asslick that would get you to high places: I'm just a moderator. :lol:
As for Jubin (who posted while I was writing this post):
I believe that there has always been strife and moaning present in this community- yet it was just not as rampant in the past. Let's make a simple comparison:
100 players and 10 moaners.
8000 players and 800 moaners.
The intensity of the moaning has increased in the same manner as the player mass- however, the proportion remains the same.
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And lastly... the term "Conservatives" refers to those who seek the preservation of old values (again said)... the more appropriate term would be "faction", not "gang".
Clearly you don't match them.
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There's my point.
You blame IC/OOC for everything that happens here. Far less bitching, moaning, flaming?
Do you see any less of that now? Its just because people use IC/OOC?
Ever occurred to you that people have a damn personality/Needs/desires and they urge to follow them.
There you see the conflict of interest. Not in the IC/OOC.
Which leads to this:
I disagree with the conservatives point of view. I say current Argonath community isn't filled with strife's and moaners. What I think my opponent is thinking is that there are more moaners than in the past. What is not taken into consideration is the size of the community has also increased.
You are not an accomplished role player.
An accomplished role player respects everything RPed in the give moment. He adapts.
You were learned not to use IC/OOC. I was learned to respect everything and adapt, improvise and overcome. That is RP.
Not a set of rules/patterns that should be followed and used/not used.
I never told about your RP ability. Its all about your RP perception, which is narrow.
"....I can take your IC/OOC principles ......"
First of, they are not mine. Thousands of people here use it, you just cannot perceive how many.
By your logic, Argonath is an established community with over 8000 registered accounts because of its free RP standards?
So that means there was no fixative rules and IC/OOC /RP standards set before this given moment now(2010)?
People were attracted to this community by other PLAYERS, not because they saw Argonath vision.
So that makes Argonath Vision = PLAYERS.
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Let's overthrow the government and go back to primitive living in the wild, because there were no international wars back then.
Is that what you're trying to say, JDC?
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Let's overthrow the government and go back to primitive living in the wild, because there were no international wars back then.
Is that what you're trying to say, JDC?
No, don't tease him.
Let him express himself.
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Its funny JDC i offer a truce and thats the first time you didn't reply to me? Oh yeah thats right, you just here to post against me.
You can't claim this time of the server is bad because there's some moaners. Your logic is fail. The scripts increased in goodness, what brought more moaners was more popularity. You think a 140+ server daily can have the same attitude as a 26 player server??? hahaha your crazy.
You make it seem like your time was so great and mighty but obviously not otherwise it would have been kept that way by the server owners. Obviously there was a want for expansion which is what happened, a massive expansion because of the increase in script quality. You trying to say you didn't expect moaners out of the thousands who registered?
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I only reply to posts I find logical.
As for Phantom...
I do and have always respected the freedom of players to roleplay however and whatever they want. (serious cop, a potato, Jack The Ripper, etc)
What I NEVER had any respect for was and is people bringing in rules from other servers because many of them failed there.
Those are two very different things, believe them or not.
(For people not intelligent enough to understand this part- it's like comparing Islam with the assholes who blow themselves up with bombs in buildings while shouting "ALLAH HU AKBAR!")
As for the word "your"... I used it in the plural tense. Keep in mind it is not an article that is used to address only one subject.
And for the Argonath Vision...
It is true that players were attracted by other players.
However, the first players who came here did not just stay simply because there were other players.
They stayed because they saw that the Administration promoted equality and friendship among players.
They stayed because they saw that the server did not have a shit-corrupt admin team unlike some servers where you were permbanned on the spot if you disagreed with anything the Admin said and where you could buy admin rights with your PayPal.
They stayed because they liked the environment the developers shaped in the direction of the Argonath Vision.
Players can attract new players anywhere, but you don't get a set of fair and equal principles just anywhere. In short, they made this community so fun and awesome that even our enemies can't get enough of us.
In the end, The Vision is still the main reason why the players began to attract others at an increasing rate that continues to this day.
Vision = Creed
Vision =/= Players
Vision = Good Server = More Players.
See the difference?
Might have missed some topics, am posting with a mobile phone so my view of forums is limited.
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You lose, JDC. I put you in a corner so you use an excuse 'I only reply to posts logical' Whether you think it was logical or not you aren't going yo answer because you know i'm right.
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You honestly think YOU, Jamal, can best ME in a rational argument? :lol:
I can argue with you all day and be the right one, but I'm starting to question my decisions to waste energy on pathetic trolls when I can spend my time replying to much more dignified people such as Phantom and Altair.
Keep dreaming.
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Vision =/= Players
Vision = Good Server = More Players.
Server cannot play by itself.
Vision = Good server
What is a good server? A server with good players.
Good players = those who obey rules and conducts.
Players can attract new players anywhere, but you don't get a set of fair and equal principles just anywhere.
When you enter the server, what do you do first?
Check the rules and see if they are correct?
Meet people, see the possibilities and ask what are the rules?
Do you stay on a server because rules are good or because of the players who enforce them?
I want you to realize, there isn't a good administrator or a server, without good, obeying players.
From lagged 1.1b to 0.3c we've been through many moaners and good, admire worthy people.
You cannot ban a principle which is among the players, since long time ago. You can only ban the individuals.
Principle from 2007 =/= ban
Individuals who abuse it = ban
Don't generalize. ;)
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No, don't tease him.
Let him express himself.
Okay.
My bad, JDC.
A conservative seeks what is good for the community by advocating the restoration of positive values found in the past and opposing the proliferation of negative values which is happening in the present.
Even to go as far as discrimination, generalization, and pushing the venom?
IC/OOC is for people without a brain.
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The owners can disallow any principle at will, by power. If RON chose to ban IC/OOC from Argonath, not even the Community Leaders can question it.
As for Leon...
Such statements have even been invoked by owners themselves, in harsher forms. (I.E: IC/OOCers should f*ck off -Aragorn)
This does not mean though that I condone every incident in which a conservative makes such harsh statements about anything, but IC/OOC is a particular kind of subject, so do not be suprised if the Owners and the people who stand by them speak out openly against it in a controversial manner.
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The owners can disallow any principle at will, by power. If RON chose to ban IC/OOC from Argonath, not even the Community Leaders can question it.
It is a good tactics if you want to get rid of the players.
Don't you see you must think in the future.
If you're stuck in the past, your future won't be bright.
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Vision = Creed
Why did I ever mention Assassin's Creed in this topic.
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The owners can disallow any principle at will, by power. If RON chose to ban IC/OOC from Argonath, not even the Community Leaders can question it.
As for Leon...
Such statements have even been invoked by owners themselves, in harsher forms. (I.E: IC/OOCers should f*ck off -Aragorn)
This does not mean though that I condone every incident in which a conservative makes such harsh statements about anything, but IC/OOC is a particular kind of subject, so do not be suprised if the Owners and the people who stand by them speak out openly against it in a controversial manner.
Want to answer my argument in my 2nd to last post in here? I have a valid argument and your too full of yourself you don't want to risk losing your special argument.
lso Gandalf said IC/OOC will not be banned and disallowed but it ISNT allowed to enforce it as a real rule, even saying 'It never will be' a rule.
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Want to answer my argument in my 2nd to last post in here? I have a valid argument and your too full of yourself you don't want to risk losing your special argument.
lso Gandalf said IC/OOC will not be banned and disallowed but it ISNT allowed to enforce it as a real rule, even saying 'It never will be' a rule.
This is not a contest, no winning or losing here.
As for the rest, aslong you have fun along with the rest, what does IC/OOC matter??
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As for the rest, aslong you have fun along with the rest, what does IC/OOC matter??
This is the point I have been proving for quite some time.
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This is the point I have been proving for quite some time.
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@Jamal:
A 150 Player server will obviously not have the exact same attitude as a 26 player server.
However, there is one organization that wields the power to promulgate any principle and attitude in the server: The Admin Team.
The only thing left is the authorization to do so.
As for Gandalf on IC/OOC, he didn't say that it will NEVER be disallowed from the server (as a matter of fact, Aragorn has already warned about disallowing it by power- which he can do) What Gandalf did is state that it is not disallowed, but neither supported.
For Phantom's point on Disallowing Of IC/OOC:
By your words, you seem to imply that we need IC/OOC to progress as a server or we will be stuck in our past with a future that isn't good.
You're not fucking serious, are you?
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OOC / IC matters as it limits RP, imagination and makes people not think for themselves...And rely only on the holy brackets to decide the context in which people are saying things..
If we were in an RP traffic stop, then I said all of a sudden in /l "brb, my mum needs me", would you think I meant IG? You would think I meant that a cop on a traffic stop got a phone call from his mother and has to abandon the traffic stop to go help her move something in the house? No.
Figuring out context requires only a few brain cells, which we all mostly have (Sorry, Jamal).
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OOC / IC matters as it limits RP, imagination and makes people not think for themselves...And rely only on the holy brackets to decide the context in which people are saying things..
If we were in an RP traffic stop, then I said all of a sudden in /l "brb, my mum needs me", would you think I meant IG? You would think I meant that a cop on a traffic stop got a phone call from his mother and has to abandon the traffic stop to go help her move something in the house? No.
Figuring out context requires only a few brain cells, which we all mostly have (Sorry, Jamal).
I can say i don't support OOC/IC, but i don't mind if a person comes up to me using them, since they feel better using it.
If people feel better using it, they will also peform better during their roleplay, so i don't support to deny them using it.
Afterall, we all know that using brackets, even in the writing of books, is meant to be out of context, the name OOC/IC is just a term that is getting used for it.
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You're not f**king serious, are you?
I think economically.
How many people will leave if you disallow this principle? Yes, my point as Bitching will increase even more then now.
"OMG where is freedom, why can't I RP how I want"
I did not say we should keep it. What I am trying to promote is equality, and if you tried to do the same instead of sitting on the other PC screen insulting people with "OMG you need brain cells, no brackets" things would be a lot different.
You need to understand that what I am promoting here is not IC/OOC nor any other principle.
I am not for forbiding it.
I am not for endorsing it as a rule.
I am here for this:
If people feel better using it, they will also peform better during their roleplay, so i don't support to deny them using it.
You, JDC, just keep attacking me(Not attacking as insulting or flaming) like I am a flamboyant IC/OOC supporter. You got the wrong image of me.
Don't inverse my post and try to answer to the fact that I like freedom and equality.
Can you counter reply to that?
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@Jamal:
A 150 Player server will obviously not have the exact same attitude as a 26 player server.
However, there is one organization that wields the power to promulgate any principle and attitude in the server: The Admin Team.
The only thing left is the authorization to do so.
Thank you for answering, but I was using that argument for you saying the server is filled with moaners, and you compared it to a 26 player server. the only thing thats the same is the server and some of those 26 players from the original server.
I understand you may be just showing it was much better at that time, but I was seeing you were comparing the two, which is completely illogical.
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Answering to Phantom...
I see no wrong in being for freedom and equality. These two ideals happen to be key components of the Argonath Vision which I revere so highly.
However, you need to understand as well that freedom has certain limits and that certain things from one place are not supposed to be spread to just anywhere.
To constitute an example, the idea of polygamy which is practiced mostly in Muslim countries (not saying it is a muslim ideal- I am just citing a location reference) would be unwelcome and offensive if brought into a country with a culture that has a high regard for monogamy.
Argonath was a community that has come to highly prize fun roleplay where the involved players use their brains and imaginations, leading to the emergence of Argonath RP that became the ideal in the old days of the server.
I have several reasons for being against IC/OOC, and I will state two of the most important ones here.
1. It does not belong here: It is a concept that originated on "hardcore roleplay" servers where the interaction was based on Rule And Script rather than Intellect And Imagination.
2. It opposes one of the key aspects of The Vision: In addition to being a set of rules from other servers, IC/OOC is one of the key elements of a server with a complicated web of rules- exactly one me the scenarios the owners did not want for Future Argonath.
People have the freedom to do whatever they want here on Argonath, as long as they do not contradict the rules and ideals of the community.
The server will not become a bloody box if IC/OOC is disallowed, as Argonath Roleplay is not the only other way to play that we have available for our players. However, by your words, you seem to imply just that- therefore, you are endorsing it in a way. This may not be your ultimate motive, but it is what I see when I read your posts.
If people want to turn Argonath to IC/OOC, then they should leave and go to an IC/OOC server. We are not just another one of the 9000 RP server out there.
I find it funny how some people prefer to stand by Gandalf's words more as they are not comfortable with Aragorn's approach.
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To constitute an example, the idea of polygamy which is practiced mostly in Muslim countries (not saying it is a muslim ideal- I am just citing a location reference) would be unwelcome and offensive if brought into a country with a culture that has a high regard for monogamy.
This is a good example, however this principle is not the main issue of it.
It came here long time ago, its not creeping into the community as we speak. Its rooted among players, they don't see the difference anymore.
Players that use this kind of role play aren't excommunicated nor hated when they log into the game session. Do you see any hate when someone logs in, such as "Noob RPer who uses IC/OOC"?. I have never seen it, because the whole concept is already blended into the community..
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Yes, the whole concept has already blended into the community, when is shouldn't have.
That is why Aragorn and the Conservatives are upset about it. Refer to my signature, complete with links.
Contrary to popular perception, we are not for the stifling of freedom.
We are against others bringing other servers' rules to this community.
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upset about it.
People are people.
They like to e-drama. The moaners can easily start an avalanche which changes the server atmosphere.
We should not let these things happen. They ought to get a temporary ban. If they don't chill in the mean time, this game isn't for them.
They'll get a peptic ulcer.
More awaits, you should not worry about who does and who doesn't support this. Just play the game.
You have the sufficient power to exterminate these moaning clubs.
Start practicing what you preach.
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Are you implying that the actions of Aragorn and the Conservatives are those of moaners or were your statements directed to the IC/OOC promulgators?
And secondly, I already have zero tolerance for the moaners and shitters ingame, and I put it into practice.
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Are you implying that the actions of Aragorn and the Conservatives are those of moaners?
Read again very carefully.
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I re-read after my initial posting and began editing my post, but I am currently slow as I an using a mobile phone.
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People are people.
They like to e-drama. The moaners can easily start an avalanche which changes the server atmosphere.
We should not let these things happen. They ought to get a temporary ban. If they don't chill in the mean time, this game isn't for them.
They'll get a peptic ulcer.
More awaits, you should not worry about who does and who doesn't support this. Just play the game.
You have the sufficient power to exterminate these moaning clubs.
Start practicing what you preach.
Ok, I will explain then.
People are people = moaners will be moaners
We should not let this happen = We(as in administration)
Clear now?
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The confusion on my part was due to my post about IC/OOC and the subsequent rage from RON and other players, followed by your post about moaners, so I came to the assumption that you referred to something in the previous post.
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The confusion on my part was due to my post about IC/OOC and the subsequent rage from RON and other players, followed by your post about moaners, so I came to the assumption that you referred to something in the previous post.
All is forgiven, my child. :pop:
I suggest a topic lock, seriously. we came nowhere regarding this subject.
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I an using a mobile phone.
So you're a using mobile phone. How's the life of a cellphone?
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I find it funny how some people prefer to stand by Gandalf's words more as they are not comfortable with Aragorn's approach.
I find it funny how Gandalf shows more self control than Aragorn by not letting his anger make completely stupid remarks.
Like my blunt opinionated manner?
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The major difference is that Aragorn tends to make direct statements in a straightforward manner out of righteous anger, whereas Gandalf is more lenient... sometimes even to the extent where people came to him for help, taking advantage of his leniency since they can't get their way with Aragorn.
And few things piss Aragorn off more than that.
Both of them are Owners, so it is futile to try nullifying one's authority by hiding behind the other. Aragorn has even warned the Admin Team about that.
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The major difference is that Aragorn tends to make direct statements in a straightforward manner out of righteous anger, whereas Gandalf is more lenient... sometimes even to the extent where people came to him for help, taking advantage of his leniency since they can't get their way with Aragorn.
And few things piss Aragorn off more than that.
Both of them are Owners, so it is futile to try nullifying one's authority by hiding behind the other. Aragorn has even warned the Admin Team about that.
I could just the same as you say people use Gandalf's leniency, I could say your only saying that because you agree with Aragorn or how his statements are.
You can't just start making it sound like Aragorn's words are more, which your virtually implying by almost downing Gandalf's words because he is nicer with his words. They are saying much the same thing, I am not going by Gandalfs words because he is 'more lenient' but because he is, but because I agree with how he does it. TBH I don't like how Aragorn expresses what he says, I'm sure he has reasons, just as I have reasons I don't like it. Not going to make an argument about how he does it, Its his choice how he expresses himself.
The major difference is that Aragorn Tends to make provoking statements in a provokative manner out of righteous agner, whereas Gandalf is more calm... sometimes even to the extent where people came to him for help, because he responds in a nicer and calmer manner.
u like???
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Can't handle the facts? Aragorn is just about the most straightforward person in the community, and he knows a threat when he sees one.
I stand by his words and by him because I can see as well that he is correct in his statements, not to mention that he is one of the people with whom my loyalty lies.
As a moderator, I work for him and Gandalf, not to mention they have my highest respect because without them, there is no prosperous Argonath.
Aragorn has defended the community. Who are you to disagree, Jamal?
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This is not a Gandalf v Aragorn topic...Both men are amazing, and work their hardest to provide this server for all of us...I've been close friends with both of them for almost 4 years, and I can tell you, they spend almost off their free time maintaining the server, dealing with issues and enforcing their vision...And the least we can do to thank them is to not insult them, not insult their work and LISTEN TO THEM!
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Yes, listen to them.
Something Jamal does not realize.
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This is not a Gandalf v Aragorn topic...Both men are amazing, and work their hardest to provide this server for all of us...I've been close friends with both of them for almost 4 years, and I can tell you, they spend almost off their free time maintaining the server, dealing with issues and enforcing their vision...And the least we can do to thank them is to not insult them, not insult their work and LISTEN TO THEM!
For the first time in a lifetime, I agree with you with this post.
For the discussion, guys.. You're seriously arguing about In Character / Out of Character.
These two things has gone so out of hands so it's barely impossible.
Just look at your answers from this page and nine pages back.
It's like you're fighting over I don't know what.
If people like to use IC/OOC, let them.
Frankly, if people do not enforce it on others, there would be no problemo.
Just respect every way of roleplaying and keep this e-drama for yourself.
I was all about trying to prove a point back in the days.
I was arguing like you guys do now, like four months ago.
After the time away from server, I've realized that all this complaining and whining destroys your own roleplay.
It takes away all the good parts that you experience every day.
My own mistake is that I usually gets quite out of hands sometimes, trying to explain that everyone should fit in my little circle, when it's basically me, who should fit in Argonath's sometimes.
Even though, both parts should really look at themselves, and figure out if this war is worth it..
Because in my opinion, there won't be any progress in this discussion, there are just the same statements going over and over.
The best thing might've been a lock of this topic, and just enjoy every roleplay-style that is available instead of complaining about them.
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New players role playing in Argonath is like learning to ride a bike. Some people like to learn without any help at all but other people like to start off with training wheels (IC/OOC). Now there are some big boys in the neighborhood (conservatives), who are picking on smaller ones saying: " When I learned to ride a bike, I didn't have any training wheels, I am better than you."
But it doesn't matter how you ride the bike, the main thing is to get where you need to be. Now older kids (whole community) parents (Owners) have said to not pick on kids who use training wheels they will get rid of them if they feel like it.
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You forgot about the part where the neighborhood isn't a place where people should import and distribute foreign training wheels.
IC/OOC is not just a style of roleplay, it is a (set of) RULE(s) from other servers.
Aragorn has already noted that point many times. Why the flying fuck is that so hard to understand?
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You forgot about the part where the neighborhood isn't a place where people should import and distribute foreign training wheels.
IC/OOC is not just a style of roleplay, it is a (set of) RULE(s) from other servers.
Aragorn has already noted that point many times. Why the flying f**k is that so hard to understand?
And you do not like when people give themselves more restrictions beside server rules?
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You forgot about the part where the neighborhood isn't a place where people should import and distribute foreign training wheels.
And how is that so vital and important so other should do it without doubts?
You do realise you can always learn something useful from others? Or you've been exploring world and gathering education from your own expectations, experiments and so on, NOT with books? That's basically taking knowledge and rules from others.
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Funny how you guys STILL deny the fact that people want to improve their Roleplay by setting stricter rules.
What's so bad about a more realistic atmosphere?It takes the fun away? I doubt, come on Argonath you've grown out of the "LULZ HE HAVE MONSTER TRUCK" situation.
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@Lucky
I still fail to see how do many of the "realistic" rules improve actual role-play. Assuming role-play is measured with creativity, restrictive rules choke-kill the creativity, thus degrading role-play.
I don't see the direct relation with a realistic atmosphere, since you can play realistic without those extra rules, AND play non-realistic with them.
Playing not realistic is not all about "LOLZ FARTS MONSTER TRUCKS".
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Can't handle the facts? Aragorn is just about the most straightforward person in the community, and he knows a threat when he sees one.
I stand by his words and by him because I can see as well that he is correct in his statements, not to mention that he is one of the people with whom my loyalty lies.
As a moderator, I work for him and Gandalf, not to mention they have my highest respect because without them, there is no prosperous Argonath.
Aragorn has defended the community. Who are you to disagree, Jamal?
Ahh, taking my words outof context as usual. 1. I didn't say I didn't like Aragorn, Or what he says, I said I dislike how he expresses it. I also said I support how Gandalf expresses what he says, and they say the same thing, but in a different way. NEVER did I disagree with what one said because then I would be dis-agreeing with both.
Yes, listen to them.
Something Jamal does not realize.
roflmao!!!! 'Something Jamal does not realize' you were arguing with me two. If your going to blame me blame yourself. I never said I disagreed with either of them, your either not understanding what I say or Your purposely taking my words out of context to try and make a point. funny how you would take a cheapshot at me, you seem to think your so mighty. You break as many rules as me and I'll have no problem getting quotes if you want. PS You never got those quotes which you claimed you were on your phone and couldn't get.
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This is not a Gandalf v Aragorn topic...Both men are amazing, and work their hardest to provide this server for all of us...
Absolutely. You know the best part? They choose to do this voluntarily. They don't gain profit or any sort of obvious benefit. This is why I have the utmost amount of respect for the owners, developers, community leaders, and administration.
Note that not liking someone and respecting them are two different things.
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Alright children, the lights are out and the party's over. It's time for me, Dr. D to start running and say goodbye for a little while and I know you're going to miss me so I'll leave you with this.
You know that big ball of radiation we call the sun? It'll burst you into flames if you stay in one place too long, that is if the static don't get you first. So remember, even if you're dusted you may be gone but out here in the desert your shadow lives on without you.
This is Dr. Death Defying signing off.
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It's people like you, Jamal, who abuse Gandalf's kindness. If you can't face what Aragorn says, then you must be butthurt by the facts, as he expresses them in one of the most straightforward ways possible.
And it was Aragorn by the way, who also said you were a moaner.
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butthurt
shouldnt have fucked me so hard
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shouldnt have f**ked me so hard
jack black quote? y/n?
It's people like you, Jamal, who abuse Gandalf's kindness. If you can't face what Aragorn says, then you must be butthurt by the facts, as he expresses them in one of the most straightforward ways possible.
And it was Aragorn by the way, who also said you were a moaner.
You failed hard, you didn't even make sense. You repeated what you said in your last post (well, all your posts[BS]) when I wasn't even talking about it. I said I just didn't agree with how Aragorn expresses what he says. I am a person who likes a more calm confrontation. I never said I didn't agree with what aragorn or gandalf said, but what I was talking about is how they said it. Aragorn sayed I'm moaner, whoopdeda. Pull that quote out of your ass again and you get a cookie.
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Aragorn said you're a moaner. Now, I want my cookie.
But seriously, the bottom line is that you shouldn't question how he does things. Moaners, shitters, and enforcers have angered him to the point where he addresses points to them in that manner, and I can't agree with him more.
If you don't like it, find another community without a very expressive leader.
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Aragorn said you're a moaner. Now, I want my cookie.
But seriously, the bottom line is that you shouldn't question how he does things. Moaners, shitters, and enforcers have angered him to the point where he addresses points to them in that manner, and I can't agree with him more.
If you don't like it, find another community without a very expressive leader.
That post made sense (not being sarcastic here)... But I never said I would leave or have the idea to because I dont agree with how he expresses himself, and I alreayd mentioned, He obviously has reasons for why he does such, and I don't have any right to argue against it.
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what about no force bullying but it seems i get the mod warnings.
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what about no force bullying but it seems i get the mod warnings.
Here comes the guy with his "bullying" shit...
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Rex, this topic is bad enough without you in it.
Seriously.
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what about no force bullying but it seems i get the mod warnings.
And this topic is about "No force rp", not your bully talk once again.
You just make people comment on it, so don't go off-topic.
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Can I manager+ please respond:
If someone goes up to someone and does /me cuts there neck with a knife.
And that person who was cut with a knife doesn't die.
The murderer can /report them for ruining rp?, that seems right.
I know someone who would tell a unknowing victim to get in the back of there ambulance, he would then deploy sleeping gas, that person would be knocked out.
The person would go to Red county and position his ambulance so that the end is almost off a bridge.
"/me uses stick and pushes man out of ambulance off the cliff".
Over 15 people decided that was ok, and accepted there fate. 1 person however started to moan "OMG, FORCE RP, OMGOMGOMG" then I the person left them to die after positioning the ambulance at the end of a bridge then leaving. So they either call a friend or die. :lol:
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@Curse
It's the other way around. The murderer can't force the victim to die if all he did was a /me message. To kill (ofc with a proper RP reason, so it's not considered deathmatching) the killer should take a knife and kill the victim.
So the murderer can't really /report for "ruining rp", since 1. it's not actually ruining rp, and 2. the murderer might get warned himself for forcing rp.
Second situation - same. It IS actually "forcing rp omgomgomg". You can't force anyone to exit the vehicle just because you did a /me message.
Note that this is different from what people use to think - this is not walking away from a situation "because I don't wanna". This is more like "text message doesn't create an actual effect on me".
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@Curse
It's the other way around. The murderer can't force the victim to die if all he did was a /me message. To kill (ofc with a proper RP reason, so it's not considered deathmatching) the killer should take a knife and kill the victim.
So the murderer can't really /report for "ruining rp", since 1. it's not actually ruining rp, and 2. the murderer might get warned himself for forcing rp.
Second situation - same. It IS actually "forcing rp omgomgomg". You can't force anyone to exit the vehicle just because you did a /me message.
Note that this is different from what people use to think - this is not walking away from a situation "because I don't wanna". This is more like "text message doesn't create an actual effect on me".
Why are you refraining from using the term Powergaming?
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Why are you refraining from using the term Powergaming?
Does not exist here.
Grz, why when I do /me sensually massages his genitals are cops then allowed to suspect me for indecency in public.
they should be treated the same.
This rule about "NO FORCED RP" doesn't even make sense much anymore, so that's why I asked.
Just like /me rapes lady, the lady doesn't get hurt by anything, but he still has committed a crime.
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If you want clarification on the no force roleplay rule Curse read my signature! I think it can help a tad
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If you want clarification on the no force roleplay rule Curse read my signature! I think it can help a tad
a tad indeed, but lets say you want to roleplay, but don't want to roleplay being murdered. If your signature is true[for all examples of 'not wanting to rp'] there are lots of players, including admins, who have broke rules.
Curse... Why do you feel the need to be in control? I will make some examples in a way which I hope will not be taken as a provoke.
1. You constantly make new groups and constantly make little things like 'use for coastguard' and such saying it will be great for roleplay, but most of the time your the only one (or one of few) who are participating. Not saying your groups are boring but you infer everyone loves them.
2. When in roleplay you basically try to force it. I know you remember the situation a few weeks ago because thats what started this very topic. you claimed I was a suspect for a bank robbery ONLY with the fact that I was wearing a chicken costume, you had no other evidence except i was at the 'vicinity' of the crime, which there were many others considering it was right beside GS9, in Idlewood.
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a tad indeed, but lets say you want to roleplay, but don't want to roleplay being murdered.
I have been enough off topic.
On topic: No force RP?
Fucking man up and stop the e-drama. Do you fellas have that big ego? That you don't want to do something that others enjoy.
You turned it into SRPG - Selective Role Play Game.
Is it only, ME ME ME ME ME ME, I and MYSELF.
You need to think of others too, sometimes.
Why don't you RP that death, you spawn back again after all.
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Why are you refraining from using the term Powergaming?
Not in my dictionary and not even the same what I meant.
Grz, why when I do /me sensually massages his genitals are cops then allowed to suspect me for indecency in public.
But in this case you're not forcing anyone to suspect you. If you don't want to get suspected for feeling cops' balls, don't do it. No action - no reaction.
While previous examples were two actions of yours, not letting someone take his turn in the game.
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Can I manager+ please respond:
If someone goes up to someone and does /me cuts there neck with a knife.
And that person who was cut with a knife doesn't die.
The murderer can /report them for ruining rp?, that seems right.
Why would someone cut a random persons neck with a knife ? Could the person be wearing an iron collar to protect themselves ? Could the person laugh at an attempt to kill with a rubber knife ?
Why is it always /me does something, / player responds different as wanted, /report RUINING MY RP ?
I know someone who would tell a unknowing victim to get in the back of there ambulance, he would then deploy sleeping gas, that person would be knocked out.
The person would go to Red county and position his ambulance so that the end is almost off a bridge.
"/me uses stick and pushes man out of ambulance off the cliff".
Over 15 people decided that was ok, and accepted there fate. 1 person however started to moan "OMG, FORCE RP, OMGOMGOMG" then I the person left them to die after positioning the ambulance at the end of a bridge then leaving. So they either call a friend or die. :lol:
Instead of moaning the player could have held on to the stick, climbed out of the top roof and a number of other ways to escape. Once again creativity is much better as answer as moaning or reporting.
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1. You constantly make new groups and constantly make little things like 'use for coastguard' and such saying it will be great for roleplay, but most of the time your the only one (or one of few) who are participating. Not saying your groups are boring but you infer everyone loves them.
Oh, it's Jamal, hi.
And when was the last time I made a group? Can you name one which was created in the last few months, or 6?.
You've no clue what you're on about.
Of-course, If I think it's good for role-play, it'd be, you going to disallow me to post my opinion?
Perhaps I should be a CoastGuard rescuer whilst passport testing someone in the raindance as-well as role-playing a vampire (I stopped this a day or two after Halloween, but hey, I might as-well continue seeing as you think I make pointless tasteful and boring groups.), list the groups you speak of which are still in existent till today, I'd love the hear them.
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.... creativity is much better as answer as moaning or reporting.
Needless to say more.
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Why would someone cut a random persons neck with a knife ? Could the person be wearing an iron collar to protect themselves ? Could the person laugh at an attempt to kill with a rubber knife ?
You honestly need to know why someone would cut some random persons neck, even if the murderer is a scary mental clown?
People do not quickly say "/me is wearing iron collar", because it's easier to shout" OMFG, DM, FORCED RP!111odneon!1"
Why is it always /me does something, / player responds different as wanted, /report RUINING MY RP ?
Instead of moaning the player could have held on to the stick, climbed out of the top roof and a number of other ways to escape. Once again creativity is much better as answer as moaning or reporting.
The person was sleeping, so Mr Medic you could call him took advantage of that situation, out of roughly 25 players, only a few moaned, they where all veterans mostly.
Mr Medic discovered a way of killing people without getting orange, then he gets told it's abuse of scripts because he avoids getting orange. So, let's say it's me in that ambulance, he wouldn't be allowed now to push that sleeping person out of the ambulance with a stick / pushing the stretcher.
Even if the person makes it very obvious with "/ad [NEWS] Another body found at a bridge in Red County Bridge", it's still not allowed?
That's how creativity is treated, because most cops would not tolerate a white named suspect.
The same with a suspect not wanting a light blue coloured cop to investigate him, although that cop is very experienced. The same with a dark blue cop not wanting a light blue name, he thinks it'd make him look unprofessional, not hard working.
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You honestly need to know why someone would cut some random persons neck, even if the murderer is a scary mental clown?
Playing "mental" / "serial killer" was always the DMers' excuse ;)
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Playing "mental" / "serial killer" was always the DMers' excuse ;)
I am not a dmer.
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You honestly need to know why someone would cut some random persons neck, even if the murderer is a scary mental clown?
People do not quickly say "/me is wearing iron collar", because it's easier to shout" OMFG, DM, FORCED RP!111odneon!1"
Yes you need to find a RP reason. Being a scary mental clown is not enough to kill people without warning.
The person was sleeping, so Mr Medic you could call him took advantage of that situation, out of roughly 25 players, only a few moaned, they where all veterans mostly.
Mr Medic discovered a way of killing people without getting orange, then he gets told it's abuse of scripts because he avoids getting orange. So, let's say it's me in that ambulance, he wouldn't be allowed now to push that sleeping person out of the ambulance with a stick / pushing the stretcher.
Even if the person makes it very obvious with "/ad [NEWS] Another body found at a bridge in Red County Bridge", it's still not allowed?
That's how creativity is treated, because most cops would not tolerate a white named suspect.
The same with a suspect not wanting a light blue coloured cop to investigate him, although that cop is very experienced. The same with a dark blue cop not wanting a light blue name, he thinks it'd make him look unprofessional, not hard working.
The person may be sleeping but the sudden opening of the door will remove the gas and wake him up.
BTW are you wearing a gas mask during this operation or are you immune ? :razz:
If you do not kill a person, you are not a suspect and no cop or admin should make a problem out of it. The method was used by both Aragorn and me a very long time ago (on VC) so you can hardly call it new.
As far as the other things, it is just the problem of disrespect.
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I am not a dmer.
He didnt say you were a DMer did he?
I see you failed to understand simple english. I did not say what i said before to discount from your roleplay groups, I only said you make them a lot (sure maybe not recently, but you still have a lot which i don't see in use much.) possible showing you like to have control over things, a point I was making. No personal issues were expected to be made.
PS your basically trying to say that you can kill because of some reason unknown to the victim? BESIDES, why would you want to kill someone anyways? And don't say something like 'its for the sake of the RP' because its not roleplay to just murder someone, especially when the victim does not expect/accept that type of 'roleplay.' Maybe if you pmed beforehand, 'You are okay if maybe i end up murdering you in RP?'
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Hey there , i wanna post few things about RPs
I hate when a newbie carjack , DM , get on a car and ramming or go on duty to abuse cop rights and hack money by script abusing
maybe we would make an application for ARPD officers and a little test about rules
this is a RPG server or not? :)
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Hey there , i wanna post few things about RPs
I hate when a newbie carjack , DM , get on a car and ramming or go on duty to abuse cop rights and hack money by script abusing
maybe we would make an application for ARPD officers and a little test about rules
Teach them and in case the situation goes out of your control (you as an more experienced player should know how to take care of a newcommer) report him and wait for an administrator to answer it... There's no need for restrictions.
hack money by script abusing
That'd be a very ninja newbie :trust: - don't generalize, they aren't all like that.
You're still considered a new-person to the community too, would you like to be treated differently?
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The argument isn't quite done yet.
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So much for resurrection of the dead being confined to jcstodds' lab and halloween. :lol:
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So much for resurrection of the dead being confined to jcstodds' lab and halloween. :lol:
TRU.
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Can someone tell me what the crap is going on here so I can join?
thank you.
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If you had time finding the topic, I bet you got time reading through the replies as well.
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Can someone tell me what the crap is going on here so I can join?
thank you.
The argument died off inconclusively.
The argument was about IC/OOC and the general acceptance of it. "Old style RPers" rejected any tiny bit of IC/OOC, even though they're not even using it. Some (NOT ALL) of the "Old style RPers" went as far as calling those who use IC/OOC brainless, dumb, and idiots. I defended IC/OOC, although I do not use it as a primary roleplaying style. What I wanted was for people to be more tolerant of those who are different (in this case, those who don't use IC/OOC being tolerant of those who do), not to bring IC/OOC in the server or whatever. I was defending the rights of all roleplayers, and I believed that the best roleplayers are those who can adapt to other players whether they use IC/OOC or not instead of rejecting their opposite.
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I believed that the best roleplayers are those who can adapt to other players whether they use IC/OOC or not instead of rejecting their opposite.
I had a few "adaptive" encounters. Ofc I was not using any brackets, and ofc I ignore any brackets (apart from sometimes commenting "z0mfg brackets" in /L) and read the actual context instead (because very often people over-do with the brackets and bracket things that could be even said without them and still made sense "ic"). The other person was stubbornly treating everything I said in /L without brackets as "ic", no matter how little it made sense in that context.
So yeah, that's what I count as "brainless" and I haven't found a more accurate term for this: when people behave worse than machines when it comes to determining context of a message.
About the topic in the subject (or subject in the topic? dunno):
- a "no force rp" rule was announced
- it meant that you cannot force people into doing actions (eg. "/me ties him up" does not disallow a player to move)
- people only read the topic and author and immediately applied their own logic: "z0mg you cannot force me to rp with you" and started ignoring any robbery or traffic stop attempts, "because you can't force me to rp"
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And here we go again..
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My Personal belief is people use this "NO FORCE RP RULE" to avoid rp which they might be scared of doing.
Agreed. I hear that sentence too much and I wonder sometimes why did they join the role play game server from the first place if they don't want to role play. Also he can say that sentence in one case and which is when someone is really forcing role playing for example /me hits *player1* in his face - without giving him the chance to block or to counter attack the other player (It depends on his character strength). In the end the server doesn't support "powergaming" so in my opinion the other players shouldn't use that sentence too much every-time someone tries to role play unless he's really forcing role play too much for example "/me hits *player1*, /me forces him to get dragged*, /me *pushs him inside the car, /me calls 911 "Give us moneys nao!1". and that's what happens when someone really forces role play.
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How long has this discussion been going on? Since Carhartt left I believe.
Did this discussion lead to any differences? NO.
Will it do? NO.
Why? Because it's an idiotic discussion.
Accept every way of role-playing and just let every individual have its own opinion of role-play, of what's needed or not.
There should be no such way to implant any kind of role-play method into people. There's no better way, it's just a personal style.
Whether you use brackets or not, you're still here for two things; to have fun and to role-play. Enjoy that instead of complaining of things that's unnecessary.
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I believe Aragorn has already concluded the subject.
More info in my signature.
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Good. Case closed.
Over to the things that might do good for the server instead of continue this no end-y discussion.
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I believe Aragorn has already concluded the subject.
More info in my signature.
No one's stood up to answer his question yet. I will.
"Why the f**k we should allow the spread of "srs" RP servers here if we are on our own world..."
Why the fuck should we allow the spread of "srs" RP servers here, or more specifically, the concept of IC/OOC? Roleplayers have the right to practice free will in Argonath, unlike the srs RP servers. As long as they are bound to the rules, they may roleplay how they want. "Whatever floats yer boat, even if it's scotch tape and cardboard."
btw, i could care less if this argument is endless. i find entertainment from arguing ^_^
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Roleplayers have the right to practice free will in Argonath, unlike the srs RP servers.
Players have the right to do as they will on Argonath, so long as they do not violate the rules and attempt to stray Argonath from the Argonath Vision, which is what infecting it with IC/OOC mindsets does, as it turns the server into a jungle of "Roleplay" rules.
For a one-party oligarchy government, the community has a lot of freedom. Players can repay that by trying not to fuck Argonath into becoming just another one of the SRS-RP servers.
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Players have the right to do as they will on Argonath, so long as they do not violate the rules and attempt to stray Argonath from the Argonath Vision, which is what infecting it with IC/OOC mindsets does, as it turns the server into a jungle of "Roleplay" rules.
Some people just like to enforce their own rules on themselves. Whatever floats their boat... as long as it doesn't directly affect us.
I enforce my own rule on myself. The rule states that when I am confronted with a certain RP style, whether it be IC/OOC, not using it, using lol wtf bbq and u instead of you in /l, or goofy roleplay, I am to adapt to their RP style to make the most out of it for both of us.
I will not deny that a few players from srs rp servers have used IC/OOC and tried to enforce it on other players. Most of them do not stay for so long, because apparently, not using IC/OOC is too "nooby" for them :lol:. Those who say other people are nooby or idiots or whatever for not using their style of roleplay are truly idiots themselves and deserved to be banished from this community. Any roleplay style or self-enforced rule should be welcomed as long as they do not make a problem out of it.
See what I mean, buddy? To hell with IC/OOC people who mistreat those who don't, not to those who use IC/OOC and don't even comment about those who don't. I don't care if someone strays away from the original purpose of /em or whatever, as long as they don't complain about me using it my own way, it shouldn't be a problem.
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@weegee
I find the biggest problem not in those who directly enforce "IC/OOC" on people, but in those players who just ignore everything and keep the rule to themselves and treat messages by marking (with brackets), not by context - which in fact, affects others, especially those who do not use it at all.
And I never understood how could you call this a "style". It's a rule, or eventually you could call it a handicap...
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RP??? Thats funny, here RP is low, i mean you want to RP and everybody does nothing but shoot shoot shoot. What the hell, and sometimes they are like "I'm not in the mod for RP bla bla bla". I mean no disrespect, but the RP force here is way low, there was something back in 2009-2010
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"I'm not in the mod for RP bla bla bla"
I wonder why did he join the server from the first place..
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My teacher said: "Freedom comes with great responsibility". I think Argonath-players have lost there responsibility, thats were the arguing starts.
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And I never understood how could you call this a "style". It's a rule, or eventually you could call it a handicap...
Yeah, I guess it's a rule... in other RP servers...
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You want to know whats funny? People have been saying 'turn the server into srs RP' shit for what, 2 and a half years now? Has it happened yet? Will it? No... Aragorn and Gandalf have both made it clear, must someone echo it for the thousandth time? At least re-word it to be sophisticated...
Also, I think this was a great discussion whether it made changes or not. Why cant there be an argument here or there? Maybe we will all be good childs and after holding in so much anger and frustration we burst and leave or change dramatically for the worst... its happened before. If you don't like discussion or arguments you can leave the server and dont let the door hit your ass on the way out..
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Yeah, I guess it's a rule... in other RP servers...
It is a rule in other RP Servers... and as Aragorn himself pointed out, people have tried to infect this server by bringing those rules here.
Just like Carhartt... look what happened to him in the end.
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howdy, not sent this thread in time.
As I am no longer apart of the conversation (not going to take responsibility for how it will carry on whilst i' m not and as it's been concluded)
Requesting lock.
lock done.