My propose,
To solve MTA:SA problem, Either delete SA:MP server or MTA:SA server because if both servers will be up,half will play on SA:MP and half will play on MTA:SA.
Every server begins with a low amount of players and gradually builds up, you can't expect a new server to start off with 100-200 players daily.
What you have to remember is that Argonath isn't just SA:MP, so you should be happy other servers are getting more populated. Good job to MTA:SA team!This^.
My propose,Why should they close MTA SA or SAMP server? Its a good thing that MTA SA is more roleplaying and more players joining there. MTA SA server is also Argonath.
To solve MTA:SA problem, MTA:SA server
Well if all the players are shifting to MTA:SA I guess that means MTA:SA is better than SA:MP Argonath and that SA:MP Argonath should be closed. :)
You don't close a server because it doesn't have the same player count as it once had just like you don't throw away your warm clothing because you don't need it in summer.You throw your winter clothes out if they do not fit anymore, and maybe SA:MP Argonath does not fit anymore. :janek:
To solve MTA:SA problem, Either delete SA:MP server or MTA:SA server because if both servers will be up,half will play on SA:MP and half will play on MTA:SA.Argonath MTA and SA-MP servers would be competitors only if they had same scripts and same goals, and this isn't the case here. Yeah, it would make no sense to have two same servers using the same game, but MTA:SA server is quite different from SA-MP. Both servers have their own pros and cons; frankly speaking, it's not adequate to say that this or that is better or worse.
It may be true that a number of players left because they fear losing their properties in RS5. They reason they do not want to start all over again, so they go to another server and.... start all over again. Logic.problem solved.
The best way to help is to be friendly to new players and show them good examples of funny roleplay. That way they may stick and become regulars.
As for closing, we rather will open up new servers as close existing ones.
It may be true that a number of players left because they fear losing their properties in RS5. They reason they do not want to start all over again, so they go to another server and.... start all over again. Logic.
The best way to help is to be friendly to new players and show them good examples of funny roleplay. That way they may stick and become regulars.
As for closing, we rather will open up new servers as close existing ones.
It may be true that a number of players left because they fear losing their properties in RS5. They reason they do not want to start all over again, so they go to another server and.... start all over again. Logic.I doubt that players leave purely because of the reset.
I doubt that players leave purely because of the reset.I have to agree with Bundy here. I also believe it isn't only because of the reset the players are leaving the server.
I doubt that players leave purely because of the reset.bunda you said it.. I know other people who also agree on this point :sweat:
Alot of Members join MTA:SA because of RS5 as the Beta version was not as good as we tought.. And alot of players dont like RS5 at all, so they join the Simple MTA:SA altough for me MTA:SA was too simple and complicated at the same time.. So I just stay at SAMP.Actually I left because of players like you. ;)
I hope we get the same Argonath SA:MP server what it was before.
Argo For Life. :gand:
PS: Anything can be done to 'increase' the players... Well, someone could pay for ads and get new players by that way.We dont need to advertise Argonath, we have players, most of them are just inactive due to real life problems.
We dont need to advertise Argonath, we have players, most of them are just inactive due to real life problems.I didn't say we have to do it...
What can't you do with 45 players that you can do with 100 players? Have fun anyway, less people = tighter community, as long as you put effort into working on it.We're 10 on the server ATM xD, anyway it's possible to have fun.
It may be true that a number of players left because they fear losing their properties in RS5. They reason they do not want to start all over again, so they go to another server and.... start all over again. Logic.I don't know, maybe their dedication there will be more appreciated over the words of some moaners... Just saying, could be a reason.
The developers cannot do anything during this period of transition, perhaps it's the players themselves that can enjoy the ending of RS4 by creative role play scenarios and events.
That has been the goal the entire time, the players create the environment just as they always should. RS4 needs to be appreciated for its legacy now. To make this more honest lets look at it in the past RS4 has fallen and relapsed it's almost predictable but it has always recovered I can easily see RS5 becoming the future and possibly grow bigger than RS4 but while RS4 is the standard it would be great if people really took appreciation of what it is before it's gone.Well said.
I don't know, maybe their dedication there will be more appreciated over the words of some moaners... Just saying, could be a reason.Says one of the main moaners.
Says one of the main moaners.Truth hurts, I know.
Says one of the main moaners.You don't have anything better to say?
Truth hurts, I know.I do recall you stressing to do more for crime and crime family groups, and when we do it stating we are doing it wrong.
I don't re-call myself moaning because of supposedly not having the ability to buy a certain property, but okay. :)
Keep in mind not everything on the server is about making money, it's also about interacting with others and roleplaying.
But most of all having fun while playing on the server.
So then why not make the most of the time you have left to play on RS4 and have a great time while doing so instead of just giving up? It makes no sense to just give up and throw it into the corner.Because we know that everything we work for in our Roleplay will go to waste :/
So if we keep RS4 and remvoe all accounts and assets that is ok with you?
So we made:
- training for cops so they do not run in and play C&R
- more possibilities for crime families
- more possibiites for civilians
- more jobs
- people can own more cars, houses, business
- some democratic possibilities
And now that we put over 70% of all ideas ever suggested you say you do not like it ?
there is nothing that stops you from playing in RS5 as you did in RS4 with the exception that we try to make less killings.
I do recall you stressing to do more for crime and crime family groups, and when we do it stating we are doing it wrong.When things like drugs being able to be sold by criminal group leaders was requested (years ago), it was pretty much ignored and not supported. Adding some things that have been requested for a long time now and then just removing everything that criminal groups have at the moment isn't really the kind of benefits we were looking for.
When things like drugs being able to be sold by criminal group leaders was requested (years ago), it was pretty much ignored and not supported.That is a lie. It has always been supported.
Adding some things that have been requested for a long time now and then just removing everything that criminal groups have at the moment isn't really the kind of benefits we were looking for.What you state is incorrect. I suggest you to keep reading the 'life in RS5 series' and you will find out for yourself.
Until now, the only reason I've understood for a possible reset is so that "others can have a chance at getting some properties". In two years or so you're just going to reset everything again so that "everyone gets a chance"? It may seem fair to those who want these properties, but it's not fair to those who have dedicated years of work on your server and made a great impact on it. I could only imagine how bad the server would be if the current major groups weren't on the server.First of all the last reset was in 2007, so we do not resetevery two years.
I might sound like a c*nt here but I'm not one for caring, I don't see what took RS5 so long, it's like RS4 with some upgrades and a few new mapped buildings, I don't see why RS4 just didn't get a few monthly upgrades, such as moving the RS5 police script over when that was complete, then start changing a new script such as the registration system, then add the new delivery jobs and so on, I completely do not know what took so long, everyone was all excited, and then they got onto the RS5 server it was like 'What the hell is this?' - From my experience anyway. Don't get me wrong RS5 is good, but I still don't see the need spending all that time making a completely new script when RS4 could have just been upgraded, because that's all RS5 feels like, an upgraded RS4.
Everyone hopes RS5 will change how the community roleplays, well, if anyone does roleplay that is, but it really won't, all it will do is make everyone strive to get the assets they had in RS4, cops will still kill any criminal, and criminals will still run round stealing drugs and killing cops, it's not going to change a single thing, you can say it's the players that need to change which is the thing that's constantly said, but I don't see any role models, most the time when I've seen a manager online they are either driving round crazy, sticking random objects on people, or doing some other random crap with their commands other than roleplaying, it's the people in managerial positions and so on that people look up to, and it's them that need to set the example, the personality of this community is screwed if you ask me, theres no hope.
P.S: I don't know why my input got removed.
How about positive input and tell what exactly you would like to see changed in RS5 to make it good to play?
As I made the layout I can tell you exactly if what you did not like or had trouble with is designed or still to be adjusted.
Input from veterans is important and while there are some things we simply want to see how they work out in general we can still respond to it.
Together we can make it work.
You are talking about it being new, different, a different type.
And that iswhere I disagree.
There for I want you to state explicitly what it is that you dislke or find so changed about it.
You are talking about it being new, different, a different type.
And that iswhere I disagree.
There for I want you to state explicitly what it is that you dislke or find so changed about it.
RS4 is alot more simple, In RS5 We have the wallet systems, and the money system is extremely complex, I usually get used to things in seconds, It spent two hours working out how the money system works and i'm still unsure on most things.The money system was bugged which is why it was complicated.
If you login to RS5 and completely forget the word "Argonath" It's basically a different server, There is nothing relating to the old script that I find stands out, We like the new features, we just prefer RS4, I mean, I understand your point of view, you've made this server and you want it to be a success, and it will be, but there's only one script like RS4 And we don't want to loose it..
Maybe you could host a vote on if the RS4 server should stay online or not, so you can see how many users feel strongly about it?
If you upraged RS4, script by script players would get used to it, but you added everything at once and it's hard for most of them to get used to it.6 years ago Argonath was one of the hardest servers to play. That made people want to follow the rules and not miss any time.
A typical life of Argonathian was /growweed /harvestweed ; /orderheroin /collectheroin; And now that became dangerous and it's harder to get weapons, drugs, money... So they just gave up.
This reminds me of people moaning about every single youtube change and then stopping 2 weeks later and everything going back to normal. Alternatively, it reminds me of people getting banned and yelling "f**k you all, never coming back" and then posting an unban request 2 months later.
This reminds me of people moaning about every single youtube change and then stopping 2 weeks later and everything going back to normal. Alternatively, it reminds me of people getting banned and yelling "f**k you all, never coming back" and then posting an unban request 2 months later.
As only thing from RS5 I've experienced is a bugged beta version, I'd rather play it a bit before moaning. Yeah, economy is complicated as f**k when you take one glance at it, and honestly, I still think it's going to be difficult explaining to new players about it, but it's nothing you can't handle when you take some time figuring it out. I disagree with the change from freecops to SAPD, though I know it's all for the equality. I still haven't had an answer whether or not regular SAPD officers (who only passed the scripted training) will have to follow current SAPD's procedures, or will it be like it has been now, where they only have to follow server rules and very few ARPD rules (no patrolling in an unmarked car). And I highly dislike the mechanic job being tied in with removal of PNS - first of all, there's just too much ramming going on (and I imagine people will go mad at whoever rams them, since they have to pay for it), and second, the more remote PNSes are most likely going to be unmanned, so have fun trying not to blow up at Bone County, because the closest PNS is probably going to be at Temple.
That is a lie. It has always been supported.What you state is incorrect. I suggest you to keep reading the 'life in RS5 series' and you will find out for yourself. First of all the last reset was in 2007, so we do not resetevery two years.Most of the stuff has already been answered in your previous posts, so I won't continue to argue for no reason.
That some people who come in just once a month to see their name on a property will not play will not influence anything except the availability, and in return the active players and groups will be able to hold things more easily. However that is not the main reason for a reset.
The main reason is that not having a reset is all or nothing. That means we have to import all 150k accounts including those made for ban evading and multi accounting. As the account structure is very different that would be a hell of a job and mean we would have to close the server for a couple of weeks. Because while you play the data is updated so bringing it over can only be done when the server is down.
I love the RS4 Script..RS4 has something gentle about it RS5 lacks of, I can't say what it is though, I just feel that way...
If SA:MP RS5 needs to start with a new player base and only few players at the beginning, then we will do it, no problem.I doubt that the outcome of that will be pleasing.
We are not afraid of new challenge. It will actually be very interesting to meet new people.
I doubt that the outcome of that will be pleasing.
I guess that what it boils down to is that people don't want to adapt to change, especially on such a large scale. Most people would argue that RS4.2 would have sufficed. We don't need to scrap the scripts, just save and store them, and maybe implement thing just a bit at a time?I'm confused, as much as I think keeping and upgrading RS4 would have been best, everyone wanted and constantly talked about RS5 for the past few years(?) and now that it's here everyone wants to keep RS4, I've always said RS5 'was a lie' so I'm pretty much neutral, though my opinion would have been to keep RS4 and upgrade/change it over time.
If SA:MP RS5 needs to start with a new player base and only few players at the beginning, then we will do it, no problem.So what you're saying is, all the veteran players can just leave and it won't matter because you'll just continue on with new players? Who would set an example then? Oh wait I've misinterpreted myself here, nobody roleplays anyway, and there is nobody to set an example.
We are not afraid of new challenge. It will actually be very interesting to meet new people.
People need to understand that a human in general should not limit only to a thing, but to expand his vision. It is player's choice where, when and how to play in this Community.Whats with the lame font?
Yes, Argo MTA, both VC and SA and Argo IV:MP are not more populated, because they have been recently released and the players want to get along with them. SA:MP has been ruling the gaming in all categories for a long time. Nothing lasts to infinite, remember that.
Aswell, take in consideration the fact that most of the players has started the school, university etc. and this player count may be considered generous enough for this time of the year. You will see by time that in holidays the number of players is always above 100, no matter the time of the day.
The rest has been explained in the upper posts.
ExplainWe both now how the average new player acts and how long it takes for him/her to adapt themselves not to mention even stick to the server. How many from the news players actually act normal after a short period of time? I know it's not a lot.
Most of the stuff has already been answered in your previous posts, so I won't continue to argue for no reason.There is an old topic named national heritage list. Ever tought of what use it could be?
However, when it comes to giving back everything to the players who actually still play and are active, and not have to keep banned accounts and ban evading ones, why not just have a system where players who are eligible (meaning active enough) provide evidence of their latest assets just a bit before RS5 will be released? This means the assets would need to be set manually by managers; I don't think this would take THAT long.
So what you're saying is, all the veteran players can just leave and it won't matter because you'll just continue on with new players? Who would set an example then? Oh wait I've misinterpreted myself here, nobody roleplays anyway, and there is nobody to set an example.
In my honest view, This is all a little selfish, i dislike the way you just said "We'll do it, No problem" You basically just said you didn't give a crap about the old community members.
It's obvious many people want RS4 to stay completely, and if you ignore that then it's kinda like saying "We don't care as long as RS5 get's big"...
We've already said, we love what you did with RS5, Keep it if you wish, All we want is for RS4 To stay permanently.
What you want us to do? To get on our knees, crying and praying you to stay for RS5?No; we would like you to leave RS4 server open when RS5 comes out.
There is an old topic named national heritage list. Ever tought of what use it could be?National heritage list which just gives more time to earn money for our properties? Yeah, again, everything being taken away. Let's not mention the fact that not every property that a group owns might even be accepted as national heritage.
You are just moaning for nothing, as any argument you bring forward has been thought about.
No; we would like you to leave RS4 server open when RS5 comes out.
National heritage list which just gives more time to earn money for our properties? Yeah, again, everything being taken away. Let's not mention the fact that not every property that a group owns might even be accepted as national heritage.You sir, need to stop moaning and get a cup 'o tea.
You can keep saying "I'm moaning", but let me just tell you that I spoke with a lot of veterans personally, and they're also "just moaning". You wonder why the player base is slowly shrinking even before a date for RS5 has been announced.
Did RS2 server stay opened when RS3 came out?Because RS5 is completely different from RS4; it doesn't feel like you're playing on Argonath, to be perfectly honest with you.
Did RS3 server stay opened when RS4 came out?
Why should it be different now?
You sir, need to stop moaning and get a cup 'o tea.At least try to say something useful when replying.
Gandalf, RS4 won't go up whilst people know it's closing, If you allow it to stay, It will almost 100% grow considering most people will come back and new players will join. New players leave because veterans are inactive.The players who are inactive might miss out on things like the change to reclaim their property of becming/ staying as official family.
I love the RS4 Script..
I completely agree with Mario; I don't know why but it seems like Argonath lost its 'spirit' with RS5. I know the scripters spent a lot of time scripting it and put a lot of effort into it and I appreciate their work but I believe RS5 isn't going to work out because most of the veteran and regular players will most likely leave or barely play on RS5, making the server lose its interest, making newcomers leave because the server would look pretty empty; to be honest, it would be a chain reaction and SA:MP would most likely fall apart. That is only my point of view though.RS5 has not even started yet, no reason to moan about it.
RS4 has something gentle about it RS5 lacks of, I can't say what it is though, I just feel that way...
RS5 has not even started yet, no reason to moan about it.Most of those who are inactive is because they know they're working for nothing because soon RS5 will be launched and they'll everything anyway.
Most of the moaning people already are banned or never play, what is the difference?
I'm confusedNo you are trolling. Keep up the posting and you will be permanently banned.
We both now how the average new player acts and how long it takes for him/her to adapt themselves not to mention even stick to the server. How many from the news players actually act normal after a short period of time? I know it's not a lot.Yeah the veterans that:
I think we all know that the server won't be the same, nor have the same quality if the veterans were out.
Yeah the veterans that:You hardly named 1% of the veterans, what about the other 99 who will leave?
- do not wllow new players to join their RP
- consider all new players as abusers and DMers
- make condescending posts about the abilities of new players (see above)
- hunt down, scam and kill new players
- come on server to cophunt and glitch abuse
Will be sorely missed
National heritage list which just gives more time to earn money for our properties? Yeah, again, everything being taken away. Let's not mention the fact that not every property that a group owns might even be accepted as national heritage.So you are shitting about the server behind our backs? That can mean a community ban.
You can keep saying "I'm moaning", but let me just tell you that I spoke with a lot of veterans personally, and they're also "just moaning". You wonder why the player base is slowly shrinking even before a date for RS5 has been announced.
You hardly named 99% of the veterans, what about the other 1 who will leave?fixed
So you are shitting about the server behind our backs? That can mean a community ban.Gandalf, people are not shitting on the server or RS5 - at least I am not; people or at least I and Mario Alfonso are merely saying that we would prefer if RS4 would stay up when RS5 comes out.
Because RS5 is completely different from RS4; it doesn't feel like you're playing on Argonath, to be perfectly honest with you.RS2 was very different from RS1,
At least try to say something useful when replying.
You basically just said you didn't give a crap about the old community members.I also felt that, and it's sad.
Well, you all go "We are going to leave, we don't like reset, we worked hard". And we tell you then to go ahead, you are going "oh you don't care about us".I haven't complained about anything, unless you meant Mikal.
Wait a minute, weren't you the one who wanted to leave in case there is a reset? What you want us to do? To get on our knees, crying and praying you to stay for RS5?
Gandalf, people are not shitting on the server or RS5 - at least I am not; people or at least I and Mario Alfonso are merely saying that we would prefer if RS4 would stay up when RS5 comes out.There is no use to keep RS4 up when RS5 is completed. And if we do, we will reset all accounts and properties so players wil anyway have to start from zero.
RS3 was very different from RS2Maybe that's why people liked RS3 as well as they like RS4 - because from what I understand from what you said they were alike.
RS4 was not different,as it only changed the way of scripting.
There is no use to keep RS4 up when RS5 is completed. And if we do, we will reset all accounts and properties so players wil anyway have to start from zero.If I wasn't banned for so long, I'd be totally up for it, to be honest.
Maybe that's why people liked RS3 as well as they like RS4 - because from what I understand from what you said they were alike.Players was going about it just like you are now but after a couple of days, it stopped. I wonder why?
If I wasn't banned for so long, I'd be totally up for it, to be honest.LOL....
It is not that we do not care about old players. In fact many wishes of those old players were taken to make RS5, which makes it ironic that exactly those who were asking for things to change are now fighting to keep it the same.Word.
So you are shitting about the server behind our backs? That can mean a community ban.How is that shitting?
Maybe that's why people liked RS3 as well as they like RS4 - because from what I understand from what you said they were alike.There were two differences between RS3 and RS4. One it was a giant bugfix. Second it marked the transfer from scripts mainly written by me to scritpers trained by me, CBFASI, Gimli and David_Omid.
Players was going about it just like you are now but after a couple of days, it stopped. I wonder why?Because those who were moaning about the changes left the community and new players joined? I'm just guessing; I don't really know because I wasn't around back then.
LOL....What's so funny about it?
I guess the message Gandalf and management are trying to give is: Don't like what we do? Leave, your opinions do not matter to us and we will do what we want, ok, I'm leaving.
Goodbye Argonath.
Ye exactly... Or not. Everyone are free to tell us their opinions as long as they are constructive. But obviously some people (including you) are unable to do it.We're saying we feel like RS5 is completely different from RS4 and some others are 'complaining' because they'll lose their assets which is perfectly understandable and to be honest I would like to keep mine as well but anyway...
Goodbye.
We're saying we feel like RS5 is completely different from RS4 and some others are 'complaining' because they'll lose their assets which is perfectly understandable and to be honest I would like to keep mine as well but anyway...
Of course it's completly different, that's one of the main points on why RS5 was created.
Well of course RS5 is different from RS4.. What would be the point to make a copy/paste of something already existing?Well it's not small changes, it's something completely different. Even the chat and the way you log in...
We're saying we feel like RS5 is completely different from RS4 and some others are 'complaining' because they'll lose their assets which is perfectly understandable and to be honest I would like to keep mine as well but anyway...We have made something based on the possibilities of the scripts, based on how to improve the base of RS4 and to reduce the lag issues that everyone knows.
I am pretty sure that if we would announce there will be no reset that RS5 is suddenly considered the best script ever.Perhaps it would by some players; not by me though. If we were to keep our stuff, it'd be better but still, it wouldn't change my opinion regarding the scripts.
We have made something based on the possibilities of the scripts, based on how to improve the base of RS4 and to reduce the lag issues that everyone knows.A reset is needed. Just, not a full reset. Some places should stay with their owners, which is, what I guess is the reason for the heritage list.
I am pretty sure that if we would announce there will be no reset that RS5 is suddenly considered the best script ever.
Well it's not small changes, it's something completely different. Even the chat and the way you log in...
A reset is needed. Just, not a full reset. Some places should stay with their owners, which is, what I guess is the reason for the heritage list.
Let me state it in simple words.
There are many other servers which have much advanced scripts/commands.
Why we play on Argonath? Reason is because it is user friendly and easy to use with easiest scripts.
We hate RS 5.0 Because it is "Mind f**k" because of too much difficult scripts rather than having fun.
We hate RS 5.0 Because it is "Mind f**k" because of too much difficult scripts rather than having fun.Now you're just being unreasonable... Did you not find the scripts a bit hard in RS4.1 when you registered?
If there is gonna be a reset, i want to see a full reset. That makes most sense from a developers point of view.So I guess only the official groups get their stuff. Other groups that have worked for a long time to plant their roots into this server (such as AoD) get one big fat middle finger.
The chat was created on request by players to decrease the amount of chatting in public chat. The city based chats will most likely decrease the amount of chat lines per secondsd for players as if players decide to talk in chat only, everyone outside of their city wont see it.I wasn't saying the chat and log in changes annoy me, I was just pointing that out to prove my point.
And how on earth do the login screen affect your gameplay......?
You can't expect them to keep RS4.1 for another seven years, RS5 has been long announced for years and when it's finally officially announced that's it coming everyone is going into a big sulk about it. Player's leaving because RS5 is coming, not much of a loss to be honest maybe we will finally get rid of the people who are a hindrance to the server. People need to learn to adapt to new surroundings which by looking at this topic not a-lot are willing to do that, change is needed to keep people interested in playing you look at RS4.1 right now and you can count of one hand what people do. As for the people who are in a good old mood about losing assets - boo-hoo my heart bleeds for you right now, shouldn't get to attached to things which serve no real purpose whatsoever.You're right, I'm not able to adapt myself to new surroundings.
Let me state it in simple words.I don't hate RS5 and I also like the community because of some players, not only because of the scripts.
There are many other servers which have much advanced scripts/commands.
Why we play on Argonath? Reason is because it is user friendly and easy to use with easiest scripts.
We hate RS 5.0 Because it is "Mind f**k" because of too much difficult scripts rather than having fun.
We hate RS 5.0 Because it is "Mind f**k" because of too much difficult scripts rather than having fun.We hate ?
Gandalf, its so simple, people didnt like the new script, why don't you let us keep on going with rs4.1 ?You must be high.
If thats what your community member want, then be it
We hate ?Oh, you weren't there at our last meeting? We voted him speaker of the union of veterans.
How do you know that I hate RS5?
Oh, you weren't there at our last meeting? We voted him speaker of the union of veterans.:rofl:
Let me state it in simple words.Now that is where you are wRONg. Once finished RS5 will be just as imple as RS4, however it will also have the more advanced things to keep people challenged a long time.
There are many other servers which have much advanced scripts/commands.
Why we play on Argonath? Reason is because it is user friendly and easy to use with easiest scripts.
We hate RS 5.0 Because it is "Mind f**k" because of too much difficult scripts rather than having fun.
We hate RS 5.0 Because it is "Mind f**k" because of too much difficult scripts rather than having fun.
I wasn't saying the chat and log in changes annoy me, I was just pointing that out to prove my point.
You're right, I'm not able to adapt myself to new surroundings.
I'd much rather keep the server as it is right now to be honest but that's only my opinion though.
People have different opinions, no need to judge them because of it; I haven't judged you, yet you say this kind of bullshit: "we will finally get rid of the people who are a hindrance to the server."
Great attitude you're showing here Rusty.
I seriously think some people are out of their minds. Leaving the community just because you will loose your assets is generally what a kid would do, I mean cmon grow up. RS5 was meant to be a major change, and as Cyril said what's the point of copy/pasting the same thing we already have?. Moaning about why is RS5 taking so long and once it's released start shitting on it just because you don't like it or you are afraid that you will loose assets .Let me just remind you all incase you forgot , that this is s community where people from around the world come and meet new people and have fun, this is not a community where you are here to show off your assets and brag about them. Changes were supposed time happen as it is a whole new script, you couldn't have expected everything to be the same, Would you?.
Moving on:
I also believe that the economy script is a bit difficult but its also the most epic script I've seen during the beta testing of RS5. If you veterans know how to gain cash in RS4, it shouldn't be hard for you to make money in RS5 as there are tons of ways in RS5 to make money and buy assets. And if you state that what will happen if someone else buys your "lost" property in RS5 that you had in RS4?, PLEASE don't start this bullshit argument, Give others the chance to buy expensive properties. And don't forget that this is just the bets stage, tons of changes have to happen.
Stop bullshtting and thank the scripters for what they have done for you and the community, and the community for bringing a little entertainment in your life.
Kind Regards, Axis
Most of us actually left due to the script, we have not said we don't thank the scripters? Simply stated we prefer RS4 and don't wish to play on RS5.Comon, this is just a little sneak peak of Rs5, many things will change and improve. But I don't get why people think that this is the final version of RS5.
Rs4 has a special feeling about it, I'm unsure what creates it, but it has an atmosphere no other server has EVER been able to create for me.
I have a bunch of friends who wish to play RS4 so long as it stays online, and we are all more than happy to have it reset to do so.
I find it hilarious how the majority of the players has been posting new ideas for years and when turned down, they was fast on accusing us for never accepting any ideas that would 'improve' the server. I have seen players complaining on that there is no economy in RS4 or not enough challenge.Exactly. I personally would like thank all of the development team for what they have done for this great community.
Now, we have invented a proper system for the economy in RS5, we have invented challenges and we have invented ideas that was posted and all of a sudden the majority wants RS4 again. Make up your damn minds people.
If you are leaving the server because of RS5, then go ahead as i, personally, really dont give a shit anymore. We have done our best to make as many as possible happy with the changes and we know that we can't make everyone happy but this shit is getting ridiculous. You have NO idea how much we have been working on getting this working and you have NO IDEA on what has happend behind the scenes during the development. If you knew, you should be shocked.
Looks like the thousands of hours we have spent on developing RS5 was for nothing.
A little question...The Official RS5 will be moved to another server or it'll stay on the BETA one and replacing the BETA gamemode.When the RS5's final version will come to a release it will replace the RS4 server, I believe
Exactly. I personally would like thank all of the development team for what they have done for this great community.
Stop bullshtting and thank the scripters for what they have done for you and the community, and the community for bringing a little entertainment in your life.
Yet again, we aren't shitting on RS5 nor are we saying you've done a bad job. We're just saying we prefer RS4 over RS5 and if you guys could hold both servers, RS4 and RS5, it'd be amazing.
Yet again, we aren't shitting on RS5 nor are we saying you've done a bad job. We're just saying we prefer RS4 over RS5 and if you guys could hold both servers, RS4 and RS5, it'd be amazing.How can you say you prefer RS4 over something that has not been finished yet?
And once again, thank you for the time spent and the effort put into the server.
How can you say you prefer RS4 over something that has not been finished yet?
Yet again, we aren't shitting on RS5 nor are we saying you've done a bad job. We're just saying we prefer RS4 over RS5 and if you guys could hold both servers, RS4 and RS5, it'd be amazing.
And once again, thank you for the time spent and the effort put into the server.
Let me get this straight
YOU the PLAYERS complain for changes that NEED to take place in RS4.
We, the DEVELOPERS put our time (for FREE) to make those changes YOU asked for.
We FINISH and NOW RS4 DOESNT need improvements?
How can you say you prefer RS4 over something that has not been finished yet?Exactly what Mario said, Gandalf. To be honest I'd change nothing in the server; I like it the way it is...
Your basing some users who dislike RS4 on all the users?
Argonath has a HUGE community, as you know...
Not ALL of us think the same, If you knew RS5 would have so many changes, you would have never announced the closing or RS4 surely?
RS4 is very far from being perfect.It really depends from person to person; not everyone have the same standards. Maybe you don't think the same way but for me RS4 is amazing the way it is.
Give exact details whats wrong, why you don't like it, how you'd like to see it and we'll consider those changes.What we're saying is we'd change literally nothing in RS4; maybe just a little thing here and there but nothing else.
It really depends from person to person; not everyone have the same standards. Maybe you don't think the same way but for me RS4 is amazing the way it is.
What we're saying is we'd change literally nothing in RS4; maybe just a little thing here and there but nothing else.
and many others have demanded changes. See, now we need to compromise to find the best suit for everyone. Something, you still... haven't done.
and many others have demanded changes. See, now we need to compromise to find the best suit for everyone. Something, you still... haven't done.This is always gonna follow the same path - some people 'moan' for a full reset and a complete change; some people, like me for instance, 'moan' for no changes at all. For me the best solution would be hosting both server but I highly doubt that's possible.
Let me get this straight
YOU the PLAYERS complain for changes that NEED to take place in RS4.
We, the DEVELOPERS put our time (for FREE) to make those changes YOU asked for.
We FINISH and NOW RS4 DOESNT need improvements?
We can't, what we can say is that there is nothing else we want more than RS4, RS4 was perfect, there is no improvement or server that could compare when it comes to SA-MP in our eyes.RS4 is far from perfect. It has lag with a player count over 150. It has several exploits that are not closed. It does not have several new features of SA:MP.
We cannot say, RS5's complete bollocks and we want RS4, We can say we respect RS5 yet are only interested in RS4.
You're the community owner, surely it's your job to listen to the community and make the right decision? being to keep RS4 open in our eyes.
This is always gonna follow the same path; some people 'moan' for a full reset and a complete chat, some people, like me for instance, 'moan' for no changes at all. For me the best solution would be hosting both server but I highly doubt that's possible.
RS4 is far from perfect. It has lag with a player count over 150. It has several exploits that are not closed. It does not have several new features of SA:MP.
So from an owner point of view it would need a lot of work.
What does it need ?
- change the account system from flat files to MySQL
- close several exploits used by hackers
- add things like drug market and other ideas long overdue
What do you get when you do that ?
RS5.
Within those features you listed I don't see anything such as.
Complex fireman systems.
Complex money systems.
a completely different and more complex chat.
'Complex' drug markets.
More Complex Families and groups system.
A more Complex police system.
And a bunch more?
How can we help. We want to make this work out for everyone who wants it to work out for them. We can only help those who want the help.A short intro before someone registers.
A short intro before someone registers.
how the fuck you call that complex ? Only /ladder and /pager has been added. It keep firmen on their station, waiting for something, as they should do. They can also RP, CBF(?) mapped their interior, nicely, now.
Complex fireman systems.
You should read more.
Complex money systems.
/chatmode babe, it's there for everyone to use. And how is /city "complex"
a completely different and more complex chat.
Collect drugs, sell to a group leader, prices don't change. What's bad and complex about it ?
'Complex' drug markets.
It is just "re-structured". It will work the same way.
More Complex Families and groups system.
Never go full retard.
A more Complex police system.
Within those features you listed I don't see anything such as.
Complex fireman systems.
Complex money systems.
a completely different and more complex chat.
'Complex' drug markets.
More Complex Families and groups system.
A more Complex police system.
And a bunch more?
Yes, RS5 IS GOOD! But we want RS4...
how the f**k you call that complex ? Only /ladder and /pager has been added. It keep firmen on their station, waiting for something, as they should do. They can also RP, CBF(?) mapped their interior, nicely, now.
You should read more.
/chatmode babe, it's there for everyone to use. And how is /city "complex"
Collect drugs, sell to a group leader, prices don't change. What's bad and complex about it ?
It is just "re-structured". It will work the same way.
Never go full retard.
List a few more, please.
Complex fireman systems.What? What? What? What? What? What? uh... what?!
Complex money systems.
a completely different and more complex chat.
'Complex' drug markets.
More Complex Families and groups system.
A more Complex police system.
...some of us just prefer RS4 :/Well guess what? You haven't seen RS5 yet. ;)
I'm unsure if you're purely being an ass, What you fail to realize is I have THANKED And RESPECTED All coders and mappers and any other developers of RS5 due to the pure reason, I know how much skill it took to create.Not sure if I'm the one being an ass, but, as I've read, you want RS4, because RS5 is complex, which is not. It's the BETA. Go home Drunk, you're mario.
You're basically telling us we have to like this server?
@Teddy, i appreciate the fact you want it to work for us all, really, I do.
There isn't a problem with the server, some of us just prefer RS4 :/
We aren't shitting on the scripters, We've said, THEY'VE Done a GREAT job, and many will enjoy the server, some of us just have this thing with RS4 that makes it somewhat better/q
somewhat betterAnd on what basis did you build this assumption?
And on what basis did you build this assumption?
To be perfectly honest with you, I love the new scripts or at least most of them. There's nothing I really dislike on RS5. The thing is I don't feel the same joy I used to feel when playing on RS4 when I'm playing on RS5.On this basis
What about an optional "walk through" when a player registers, you think this'll help? It'll need to be optional, and players able to opt out.Not sure if you got me right. Player registers and there will be a short intro, in example "Los Santos hospital - you can go on medic duty here, your job as medic is to blahblahblah"
On this basisSo, as usual, people compare a finished product with a work-in-progress.
Not sure if you got me right. Player registers and there will be a short intro, in example "Los Santos hospital - you can go on medic duty here, your job as medic is to blahblahblah"
There isn't a problem with the server, some of us just prefer RS4 :/
Complex fireman systems.The only changes to the fireman system is the pager, ladders and better missions.
Complex money systems.This i can understand as i haven't really put myself into the economy system aswell. However, when you get used to it, i'm sure you will like it alot as many other players have started to do when exploring with it.
a completely different and more complex chat.The only change to the chat is city chat which is designed to allow players to talk to players in only the same city as them, and in turn decrease the chat for everyone else that is not in the same city.
'Complex' drug markets.What is so complex about the drug market? Find a open spot, get your group leader (a founder of a criminal group) to it, sell the drugs / give him the drugs for him to sell it at the drug market and gain money for his group.
More Complex Families and groups system.This might look complex, but it's really easy to understand once you check it out properly. It's designed to give all kind of groups proper support to maintain his / her group.
A more Complex police system.The only change to the police system is jurisdictions which is only limiting you to the point that you can only suspect players inside your jurisdiction. You can do everything else as you can do right now on RS4. This is to promote team work and spread out the police force over the whole map.
Not sure if you got me right. Player registers and there will be a short intro, in example "Los Santos hospital - you can go on medic duty here, your job as medic is to blahblahblah"
I believe you like a glass of cold beer better than an empty glass. But wait until it gets filled up, mate.
Is this decreased activity of players expected by the staff?Actually yes it is. It is the result of me not being able to bring out the RS5 series before the beta opened, meaning players have made their own thoughts and illusions.
Gandalf, I think is better just publish the RS5 server when it is almost finish :)Nope, a Beta stage it's always great, since 50 players will find more bugs than 5 developers (it's just an example)...
Adressing Mario and Vitoo. How on earth can you like RS4 that much to consider it perfect? I am just sick of it, a big chaotic server which is not organised at all.I am not generalising everything what I am saying but these things must come to an end, and I hope RS5 will clear all this mess up.That's your opinion, not mine.
Gandalf, I think is better just publish the RS5 server when it is almost finish :)Beta testers test the scripts on ow they are supposed to be used. Many players try to circumvent them so we can see possible exploits.
Also Gandalf, you seriously almost sound like you hate your community with some of your posts here. I know you have to act as a strong authority, but there's no need to outright insult the people who play on your servers. It's really unpleasant to read something like that, especially from you.Exactly. And as weak as I feel defending Mikal, I felt his ban was unjustified.
Also Gandalf, you seriously almost sound like you hate your community with some of your posts here. I know you have to act as a strong authority, but there's no need to outright insult the people who play on your servers. It's really unpleasant to read something like that, especially from you.Everyone is welcome, but those who are not playing at all or only come in when in the mood to disturb things are not going to get a lot of support.
I will still try to sugar coat my comments, but do not expect the full diplomacy that I use when Aragorn is around to deliver the harshness.So, good cop/bad cop?
Actually yes it is. It is the result of me not being able to bring out the RS5 series before the beta opened, meaning players have made their own thoughts and illusions.
As usual many players do not have the avility to think on their own and there for follow as sheep. Becuase they might have to start all over again, they actually start all over again somewhere else.
Good thing is that MTA:SA has increased in player count and IV:MP now has a waiting time to join.
So we are not unhappy as it opens other opportunities.
Yeah the veterans that:I'm not surprised that after years of playing you still don't give at least a little bit of credit to the veterans who kept your server alive and managed to maintain at least some quality in it.
- do not wllow new players to join their RP
- consider all new players as abusers and DMers
- make condescending posts about the abilities of new players (see above)
- hunt down, scam and kill new players
- come on server to cophunt and glitch abuse
Will be sorely missed
So you are shitting about the server behind our backs? That can mean a community ban.Nope. The fact that you're getting negative feedback doesn't make anyone a moaner. I have kept a close contact with several group leaders, and most of them actually approached with their opinion on RS5 and how it will effect criminal groups.
I was expecting some reactions on what i wrote before? :eek:Couldn't post this yesterday. I like what you said about /p and /city, but... They are expecting you to say, accounts will not be reset!
Yeah the veterans that:
- do not wllow new players to join their RP
- consider all new players as abusers and DMers
- make condescending posts about the abilities of new players (see above)
- hunt down, scam and kill new players
- come on server to cophunt and glitch abuse
Will be sorely missed
I'm not surprised that after years of playing you still don't give at least a little bit of credit to the veterans who kept your server alive and managed to maintain at least some quality in it.The thing is that we have given a platform for group leaders to give their input. Nobody even posts there.
Nope. The fact that you're getting negative feedback doesn't make anyone a moaner. I have kept a close contact with several group leaders, and most of them actually approached with their opinion on RS5 and how it will effect criminal groups.
Yeah the veterans that:
- do not wllow new players to join their RP
- consider all new players as abusers and DMers
- make condescending posts about the abilities of new players (see above)
- hunt down, scam and kill new players
- come on server to cophunt and glitch abuse
Will be sorely missed
People people people, for Sauron's sake. Could you please stop saying "Argonath will bla-bla-bla" "Argonath isn't the same" "Argonath was better in RS4" etc...Argonath is not entirely SA:MP and you should know that.We are not in denial at all, but people are pointing at things that were bugged and not working asthey should. That has been repeated many times, however it seems that nobody listens.
As for my personal input on this whole RS5 fiasco. I tried the beta server for...One or two hours. I disliked it. It was just an all too sudden change. It just didn't feel the spirit of Argonath's SA:MP in my eyes. This whole wallet system for example. What happened to Argonath's vision about keeping things simple? I haven't seen such things in the so called srs-RP severs, let alone expected it to show up here.
Yes, I realize I do not really have the right to criticize RS5, as I haven't really fully checked out the beta, but I just couldn't. What bothers me tough is the state of denial the people behind RS5 are in. Gandalf, Zaila, and others...What is so hard to understand that the majority of people disliked the beta of RS5? Instead of talking about how they shouldn't moan and showing the more than familiar to us "Like it or GTFO" attitude, why don't you just listen to what the players have to say?
A reset would be useful, but it just shows how badly the Veterans are looked upon.
What do you know about what happens ingame other than reading some unbantopics once in a while? It's the same veterans that sometimes gets a ban that helps the server to stay alive by entice people to come ingame and also often do good things. But I guess you can't see that if you're not ingame.Enough to know that you only come in to fly around, cophunt or glitch abuse. That is if I look at it from the negative side.
I have asked in this topic multiple times what to change, and all I get back is that RS5 is fine but people still do not want it. Well it seems that people also do not want RS4, else they would still be on it.I don't see a point in putting a lot of effort now if it's going to be taken away in the near future.
I don't see a point in putting a lot of effort now if it's going to be taken away in the near future.The point is that by being inactive you may miss out on more than you can imagine. For instance if your family is not active, they will not be among the official families that will obtain a free HQ.
While I don't find some things necessary on rs5, the reset is the same main reason I oppose it; I'm not denying that.
Enough to know that you only come in to fly around, cophunt or glitch abuse. That is if I look at it from the negative side.
From the positive side, you often show people amazing skills of using aircraft, can show them interesting scenarios and make people smile by using your advanced knowledge of SA:MP.
You can choose how you want to be remembered. I hope the positive side will prevail.
Yes it's true that I come ingame to fly, and also communicate and do small rps on streetlevel.The number of time you have been banned does not represent the number of times you have engaged in something.
About you saying that copbait and glitchabusing are part of reason why I come ingame, I gotta say that you're wrong. I've been banned for glitchabusing maybe 2-3 times during my 7 years on the server. A little perspective would be nice.
These veterans, as I count myself in, are important to the server. Not only the few "clean" veterans (mostly cops?).
What I would like to ask you is would you not find it more interesting if veterans would still be able to have goals and challenges instead of being left to their own creativity?
The point is that by being inactive you may miss out on more than you can imagine. For instance if your family is not active, they will not be among the official families that will obtain a free HQ.Gvardia, for example, has shown good activity and myself, as an individual has been more than active. Most of us are just not going to spend more time than usual for now until RS5 is released; that's when most of us are going to make a decision on what we're going to do.
We will support those who support us.
Yes, RS5 is needed. Im not against it.The plan is first to fix the bugs that were reported and make some changes so that everything is working as planned.
What's the plan? How will you get more players to play the beta so that it can be released soon?
Well, to be honest, I've been in Argonath for a long time, the vision hasn't changed, but we've always been told to Roleplay stuff and that we didnt need shitloads scripts to have fun.Can you be specific in what we are taking away?
Apparently this changed with the 'new-age' scripters.
It's funny how you either enjoy the script or you are a moaner and a shitter. I like this community and I do want to see it fall.
It's also funny how developers claim they've given more support to criminals but never mentioned what they did for the police side. They gave with one hand but took away with another. Even from looking at the old RS5 page of progress, there was a bar for Police scripts, and no bar for civilians/criminals, wich was joined into (miscellaneous?)
Its even funnier that almost all veterans that aren't cops eventually get banned at some point, and how different treatment is handed out to different people.
Admins aren't robots and this is so true, like it or not, they are always biased, wether it is to tempban a player instead of permanently banning him or mark him and stalk him looking for a ban reason.
I've tought twice about posting this post, because it will probably get me forum warned or banned or earn me a denial in my next appeal at 1st December. But if thats what it takes... Sure.
Thanks for hearing me.
PS: This is not meant for any specific admin or player, if you feel like this offends you, then the hat does fit you and shame on you.
Can you be specific in what we are taking away?Gandalf. There is no way I'm going to discuss about this with you... you have far more information avaliable to you, not to mention you are way older and smart enough to find a corner through my statements.
What surprises me is that a fellow R* member believes that breaking rules is required for having a criminal attitude and obviously has bought in to propaganda.
I guess that while you remember the having fun part, you forgot about the respect each other.
You only see a group once or twice when you're logging in that much. Accept the fact that Ancelotti died when Romeo left and that you have no idea with what's going on, nor is anyone in Ancelotti right now able to main the status Ancelotti had a couple of years ago. Just like for others, the fact that we have the best empire in-game is a personal problem for you and you're just jealous, and no I'm not being arrogant, it's the truth considering how you and others whine about it.
I'm one of the few guys who are actually gunning for a reset (Mainly because of the fact that almost anything considerable is held by a 'elite' few who bother to grace us with their presence once or twice a month[Cough' Gvardia]).
-How about you try to do something about your group and not just to post around forum how Gvardia is inactive and how Ancelotti should own everything. Go in game, set up a meeting and solve everything.
May i just state, I have been constantly asking if RS4 Can stay online, or atleast if someone else can open it so we can enjoy it, Many counter arguments towards me are people claiming myself and others wishing for this are worried about loosing their gear?
In case this is how you feel, I'm pretty sure on RS4 i have like 2k and a shitty car.
We don't care about the bugs, we don't care about the lack of ability to catch up with SA-MP, So long as RS4 is there for us to enjoy we are happy.
I still keep my statement that in my view it's a little selfish to completely ignore us and say, No we have RS5 here now either get used to it or go away, We dedicate a lot of our time to this server without coming to you asking for favors, those who did were those who requested RS5, And when we come along (Those who had no interest in RS5) asking for one favor, we are basically told it's a waste of time and you won't do it..
Gandalf. There is no way I'm going to discuss about this with you... you have far more information avaliable to you, not to mention you are way older and smart enough to find a corner through my statements.
Well, specific in what you are taking away, well, I would be, but even in the help menu in the new script, there was plenty of help avaliable for cop commands as if you were trying to test the civilian/criminal commands you'd have to ask in the main chat.
I didn't fail to respect anyone in this topic now have I? When did I fail to respect someone?
Sorry but disagreeing and not changing my mind even after severall attempts to drill into my head that other people are wrong and you are right is not failing to respect anyone...
That's exactly the problem. Criminals are natural born rulebreakers.
There would not be much point in keeping another server open with older scripts. It comes down to time and money.
That's exactly the problem. Criminals are natural born rulebreakers.Very well said.When a SAPD Officer+ has an aimbot(Much exemplars in Argonath) or any type of etc etc - when I report him,in the next second I recive an PM from an Administrator which he's also cop - "He has no aimbot,he's clean" - That's pure bullshit. Dat defend.
Very well said.When a SAPD Officer+ has an aimbot(Much exemplars in Argonath) or any type of etc etc - when I report him,in the next second I recive an PM from an Administrator which he's also cop - "He has no aimbot,he's clean" - That's pure bullshit. Dat defend.
Nothing is right here.
p.s. don't ask me for exemples for that 'players' because I won't give any.
Very well said.When a SAPD Officer+ has an aimbot(Much exemplars in Argonath) or any type of etc etc - when I report him,in the next second I recive an PM from an Administrator which he's also cop - "He has no aimbot,he's clean" - That's pure bullshit. Dat defend.
Nothing is right here.
p.s. don't ask me for exemples for that 'players' because I won't give any.
I have been constantly asking if RS4 Can stay online, or atleast if someone else can open it so we can enjoy itRS4 is up till the scripters finish RS5 and bring it to a final release.
Time and money as in money to keep a server hosted. Hosting isn't free and neither is time to maintain servers.
How should I collect evidence.Truth hurts, Now let me tell you a truth.
That's the truth and please shut your mouth because truth hurts.
Very well said.When a SAPD Officer+ has an aimbot(Much exemplars in Argonath) or any type of etc etc - when I report him,in the next second I recive an PM from an Administrator which he's also cop - "He has no aimbot,he's clean" - That's pure bullshit. Dat defend.
Nothing is right here.
p.s. don't ask me for exemples for that 'players' because I won't give any.
How should I collect evidence.So what you say is the truth and you do not need evidence? You sound like a Bible thumper...
That's the truth and please shut your mouth because truth hurts.
I have a neutral stance on this matter.forced jurisdictions : they are suspect only to encourage people to stay in their assigned area. Assignment is calculated so there will not be areas with only cops and no players.
I think that the reason people might dislike RS5 are features like, forced jurisdictions as a cop, no Pay n SPray, city chat, complex money systems, no ARPD and so on. Things that limit your freedom. People want to play casually in a non-serious RP server, but now they are forced to change. This is just my theory though.
Would it be possible to release RS5, but only implement a few updates at a time? For example, keep the old money system, but after like a month or two, release the new money system, once people have gotten used to the old one? This would make the argument of "hardness of getting used to" nil, anc you wouldn't have to scrap the script.
Well, to be honest, I've been in Argonath for a long time, the vision hasn't changed, but we've always been told to Roleplay stuff and that we didnt need shitloads scripts to have fun.Well said. Too bad you're not in A team anymore.
Apparently this changed with the 'new-age' scripters.
It's funny how you either enjoy the script or you are a moaner and a shitter. I like this community and I do want to see it fall.
It's also funny how developers claim they've given more support to criminals but never mentioned what they did for the police side. They gave with one hand but took away with another. Even from looking at the old RS5 page of progress, there was a bar for Police scripts, and no bar for civilians/criminals, wich was joined into (miscellaneous?)
Its even funnier that almost all veterans that aren't cops eventually get banned at some point, and how different treatment is handed out to different people.
Admins aren't robots and this is so true, like it or not, they are always biased, wether it is to tempban a player instead of permanently banning him or mark him and stalk him looking for a ban reason.
I've tought twice about posting this post, because it will probably get me forum warned or banned or earn me a denial in my next appeal at 1st December. But if thats what it takes... Sure.
Thanks for hearing me.
PS: This is not meant for any specific admin or player, if you feel like this offends you, then the hat does fit you and shame on you.
But criminals indeed are natural rulebreakers. And you might say bias or ask why, but the point is the police officers have a lot more rules on their head, which means except the basic server rules, they have to follow few more(ARPD Officers) and a lot more for the SAPD Officers. Which makes the case where police officers are far too much restricted, to be allowed to rulebreak and get punished. And in case of rulebreak, we punish them with what's worse for them, time off from their favourite role(Copban).This is what I mean. Really, seriously..
And to be honest with this new criminal system in RS5, I see a lot less punishments for criminals either, because simply they will punish themselv if they rulebreak.(You will understand what I mean, if you read the topics Gandalf made)
I have a neutral stance on this matter.
I think that the reason people might dislike RS5 are features like, forced jurisdictions as a cop, no Pay n SPray, city chat, complex money systems, no ARPD and so on. Things that limit your freedom. People want to play casually in a non-serious RP server, but now they are forced to change. This is just my theory though.
Would it be possible to release RS5, but only implement a few updates at a time? For example, keep the old money system, but after like a month or two, release the new money system, once people have gotten used to the old one? This would make the argument of "hardness of getting used to" nil, anc you wouldn't have to scrap the script.
Some say there is this command which saves you life called /gu or /surrender.That still doesnt change the fact that your money, storage, house, bizz are getting ripped off.
The last time I heard criminals were actually given money whilst in jail. Remember you don't have to get suspected to be a "criminal", you could always hire others to do the dirty work such as killing for you.
The last time I heard criminals were actually given money whilst in jail. Remember you don't have to get suspected to be a "criminal", you could always hire others to do the dirty work such as killing for you.That's where we're so different. I lead my family and i go in front of them, i deal with my targets myself and i enjoy dealing face to face with my enemies when i confront them.
You only see a group once or twice when you're logging in that much. Accept the fact that Ancelotti died when Romeo left and that you have no idea with what's going on, nor is anyone in Ancelotti right now able to main the status Ancelotti had a couple of years ago. Just like for others, the fact that we have the best empire in-game is a personal problem for you and you're just jealous, and no I'm not being arrogant, it's the truth considering how you and others whine about it.
best empire in-game, only thing i did mention is that most of Gvardia is inactive and hoard properties, having your members log in once a month and now trying to bullshit RS5 because you know you can't keep up when everbody gets a fair chance at all the properties you have been holding hostage. I do wonder why you believe that even the panel lies, i have more activity than you.
Some say there is this command which saves you life called /gu or /surrender.So what you are saying is that criminals get more things taken away so they would be more submissive to cops?
The last time I heard criminals were actually given money whilst in jail. Remember you don't have to get suspected to be a "criminal", you could always hire others to do the dirty work such as killing for you.Oh and this. The way you said it, it makes it sound like being a suspect is an incredibly risky thing.
Time to find better ways to handle your enemies rather than killing them like stealing their form of income or forcing them out of business by other means.Very interesting, so i got an idea.
Not every dispute must be solved with guns and killing.
So what you are saying is that criminals get more things taken away so they would be more submissive to cops?As most criminal groups have been constantly saying: being a criminal is not the same as being a suspect.
And then you say oh blablabla cops argonath bla bla bla goodboys.
Well. I say you want to force this script and the limitations it brings to all the criminals down our throats.
And dont give me the RP crap as if deflecting my statements.
RPG is one and Real Life RP is another.
It all comes down to one thing a wise but infamous player once said. I told him: "I'm going to be wanted forever, the cops cant kill me" and he said "I know, but you have to let them win sometimes".
Oh and this. The way you said it, it makes it sound like being a suspect is an incredibly risky thing.
I wonder why that is.
That's where we're so different. I lead my family and i go in front of them, i deal with my targets myself and i enjoy dealing face to face with my enemies when i confront them.You can fight opponents wihtout losing your HQ or other things in RS5, however there will be somehting else at stake that you lose when you lose the fight.
Now, you tell me to hire my men to kill them. Even if i do, they are apart of the family, same as i am, and we will anyways lose our HQ etc..
But it's nice that you're not locking the topic and that veterans can say their opinions, because you don't have much active family leaders in game.
As most criminal groups have been constantly saying: being a criminal is not the same as being a suspect.Dude, being a suspect doesn't mean killing randomly, to be honest I never liked killing, but if a cop asks for it, SURE, I mean it's clear that you are improving Cops more than Criminals, cops these days are like bulls, only that instead of red they see orange and go fucking crazy, how about a cop instead of comming to me and doing /s GU! and randomly spraying me, how about make that guy RP before telling me that I did something wrong for killing him. Suspecty=/=killers, now if you want to imploment that if a suspect that actually kills gets a darker shade of color meaning that he did something bad, do that, because after I get suspected for reckless driving and shot with MP5 and in one case by a damn hunter, where is the roleplay? there are tiers of being a criminal, I'm on the tier where I will kidnap someone, throw him off a bridge and run, but I don't get shot for that, I get shot for reckless driving. Oh and after playing on MTA, Cops need 70 bullets not 300.
Well it is time for criminals to prove they can be more as a suspect that tries to kill as many as they can. After all if you wish to do that you belong on a TDM server and not here.
And by the way, it does not mean criminals can not have any shootout without getting their score up. They just have to follow some rules that we have tried for 6 years to establish voluntarily.
You can fight opponents wihtout losing your HQ or other things in RS5, however there will be somehting else at stake that you lose when you lose the fight.Yes, there are other options, you can drown, throw him from the mountain, tie him to a GS and then blow him up, set a car bomb, but there is a BIG PROBLEM.
The most successful criminals are the ones that can build on the edge of being caught and find smart ways not to have to kill, yet get the job done if needed.
Did you know that in MTA:VC Aragorn had as favourite kill method drowning? :D
Dude, being a suspect doesn't mean killing randomly, to be honest I never liked killing, but if a cop asks for it, SURE, I mean it's clear that you are improving Cops more than Criminals, cops these days are like bulls, only that instead of red they see orange and go f**king crazy, how about a cop instead of comming to me and doing /s GU! and randomly spraying me, how about make that guy RP before telling me that I did something wrong for killing him. Suspecty=/=killers, now if you want to imploment that if a suspect that actually kills gets a darker shade of color meaning that he did something bad, do that, because after I get suspected for reckless driving and shot with MP5 and in one case by a damn hunter, where is the roleplay? there are tiers of being a criminal, I'm on the tier where I will kidnap someone, throw him off a bridge and run, but I don't get shot for that, I get shot for reckless driving. Oh and after playing on MTA, Cops need 70 bullets not 300.
It seems like I have hit a nerve, is it possibly because you realize your way of playing on the server is at threat if you want to keep it up on RS5?It seems to me like you have more nerve than I gave you credit for. Nobody asked for trolling or provocations, remove yourself from the peacefull discussion if you dont know how to.
Yes, there are other options, you can drown, throw him from the mountain, tie him to a GS and then blow him up, set a car bomb, but there is a BIG PROBLEM.First of all what applies to you will apply to all others as well. This means that all are treated equal and run equal risks. Perhaps those who have more to lose will be more smart in finding the right way.
To do the things stated above, you need to kidnapp that person first. But when they see they're going to get kidnapp they start running away and your only option is to shot them down or to leave them.
If you leave them they will come even stronger with their friends to revenge, so you're basically forced to kill.
Let's say there's another situation.
My men and me get attacked, but we manage to defend and to kill the attackers. We will be suspects and cops will come. If 5 of us kills 1 cop, that's a total of 5 cops which will lead to a disownage of family properties. Doesnt matter will we /gu or die. If you /gu, they will stick the warrant on your head and rip off the properties, or when you die they will just take them away.
On the other hand, the 5 cops which died will not losing anything.
The most important is that it doesnt matter if you are the attacker or the defender, you're losing in both cases as criminal.
It seems to me like you have more nerve than I gave you credit for. Nobody asked for trolling or provocations, remove yourself from the peacefull discussion if you dont know how to.If you have a problem with cops coming after you , do not get suspected.
If you didn't had anything constructive to say why didn't you limited yourself to reading?
This has never been about me. I'm not even sure if I will be unbanned. What I do understand is this:
Civilian stalks cops - Cophunter / Copbaiter
Criminal doesnt RP at all and manages to kill all cops that are chasing him because his friends are helping him - Deathmatcher / Cophunter / Copbaiter
Cop stalks civilian - ??????
Cop doesn't RP at all and all he does is /area and go shoot suspects - A normal cop.
My point is everything that civilians/criminals do, that starts being a common practice, eventually gets labelled and admin punishment will be issued under that label.
If you have a problem with cops coming after you , do not get suspected.I didn't even said anything close to that, why are you ignoring what I said? It's like your avoiding what I'm saying.
If all you can think of doing on server is getting suspected and doing a shootout, fin another server.
Reading through the pages also shows that only a few people who don't want RS5, and the rest of the comments are people saying "stop moan, why u hate rs5, i dont get why everyone hates it". Seems like everyone thinks that everyone hates it, which is not the truth if you read more than the last page :)I agree. After all from reading what people do not like we can find ways to improve. I have learned more fomr people who give criticism as from those saying nothing.
There are some people trying to explain why they don't like it. That's great.
First of all what applies to you will apply to all others as well. This means that all are treated equal and run equal risks. Perhaps those who have more to lose will be more smart in finding the right way.We're talking about 5v5 fight which is not organised (like we didnt meet up on purpose, the attackers just poped up in front of our HQ). There won't be one suspect, there will be 2-3 suspects who will get the kills or some cop will see the fight and suspect all of us.
Now in your example you are making already a mistake. If someone is killed, there is one person who made the kill and is auto suspected. So why should there be 5 cops killed for that?
The one person suspected can simply go to jail and the rest continues their activities.
I didn't even said anything close to that, why are you ignoring what I said? It's like your avoiding what I'm saying.On the contrary.
It looks like your replying to someone elses post.
The point is that if i take 2 kills, Sandi (for example) takes 1 kill and Miguel 2 kills.The question you have to ask is, why would 5 people pop up without reason to start shooting? Should there not be a RP reason that a shooting begins?
We, as a family, already have 5 kills total. It really doesnt matter anymore will we continue to shoot with cops or /gu and get the same punishment - losing family properties, money etc.
That's what i wanted to point out.
On the contrary.Gandalf I meant.... Why do you call it suspect for invalid reasons? They could be just suspecting for getting money or for deathmatching. Why do they get suspended from duty instead of getting admin punishment like the rest of the players?
Non-suspects haning around cops to get suspected: forbidden since 2006.
Suspects trying to kill as much cops as they can and going after cops to do so: forbidden since 2006.
Cops stalking civilians: this is called atrolling, however if they suspect for invalid reasons they will be suspended from duty.
Cops doing /area to find suspects: They still are required to request you to surrender unless you are already opening fire. Once again, n change since 2006.
So what was your point?
So first you say thatthe main reason for the accounts restart is to give everyone equal chance, and that you could easily transfer the database if you wanted, and now you say the compelete opposite...There are many reasons why we could or could not reset.
Gandalf I meant.... Why do you call it suspect for invalid reasons? They could be just suspecting for getting money or for deathmatching. Why do they get suspended from duty instead of getting admin punishment like the rest of the players?Can you tell me wher e that wiki is you guys are taking your questions from? Somehow people are singing the same old song every time.
Yes they are required to ask for surrender.. My point is I've seen many cops that rather that criminals dont give up, all they want is to deathmatch. Of course, they will always be excused from this as they were just 'doing their job' .
I know those things about criminals aren't allowed... obviously right? I was trying to show my point. And that point is that criminals always get labelled from doing things that weren't in the rules. And those things will end up being part of the rules. And that's not bad. Thats great. The problem is, this system only works for criminals / suspects.
I am pretty sure that if we would announce there will be no reset that RS5 is suddenly considered the best script ever.
The question you have to ask is, why would 5 people pop up without reason to start shooting? Should there not be a RP reason that a shooting begins?I said that cause that's the situation i get in daily in front of Luciano HQ. If admins asks the attackers what's the reason, they get this answer: "We're in a war".
If you get people who pop up and shoot without reason, call the admins or call the cops. If you wish to be the big guy who shoots back, that is at your own risk. Do not want to lose things? Change your style.
Very well said.When a SAPD Officer+ has an aimbot(Much exemplars in Argonath) or any type of etc etc - when I report him,in the next second I recive an PM from an Administrator which he's also cop - "He has no aimbot,he's clean" - That's pure bullshit. Dat defend.
Nothing is right here.
p.s. don't ask me for exemples for that 'players' because I won't give any.
Why criminals not ? How do you suggest a /crimeban? :rofl:
You were part of the admin team so where are the instructions to protect cops and blackpaint criminals? I never found them.There are no such insturctions, but 99% of admins are cops and by that it's natural that they will be on the cops side (their own side).
There are no such insturctions, but 99% of admins are cops and by that it's natural that they will be on the cops side (their own side).
Hmm, i sure like your ability to ignore facts and try to spur random bullshit in topics.Our members, apart from people like Eugene and Jarome, are the only inactive ones. Note that they're over 20 years old and have a real life, hence they don't got time like some of us on here. The fact that one or two properties are being held by inactive players doesn't mean "we're hoarding up properties", because most of them are part of a legal entity of Gvardia and it's not our fault that we can't hold more than one house or business. Most of Gvardia isn't inactive, you're just assuming that and being one of the most inactive groups in-game, I really find it quite hypocritical of you to say that we're inactive.
I never mentioned Ancelotti or you people having the , only thing i did mention is that most of Gvardia is inactive and hoard properties, having your members log in once a month and now trying to bullshit RS5 because you know you can't keep up when everbody gets a fair chance at all the properties you have been holding hostage.
I do wonder why you believe that even the panel lies, i have more activity than you.Now I'm trying to figure out whether you're trolling, blind or just retarded.
Romeo is still around btw,he simply got bored of RS4. Also there is no need to try to flame Ancelotti and turn this topic into another one of your flame wars, keep your stalling tactics to the ARUN. This is not about your feud with us, this is about the server.Excuse me, but I wasn't the one being hypocritical on another group based on assumptions. I don't see what I'm stalling, but okay. I have no feud with Ancelotti, I have a feud with hypocrites like you who can't manage to control their own groups, yet be the first ones to judge and shit on the work of others. Oh well, I guess there's a reason for where you stand now.
now trying to bullshit RS5 because you know you can't keep up when everbody gets a fair chance at all the properties you have been holding hostage.I can also fairly argue that the only reason you support RS5 is because you weren't able to get your hands on certain properties.
99%? I only counted 19 people that are actively doing a cop job out of 43 people.Wrong, try counting again. Actively or not, they were all cops before they became admins, mostly joining WS and Rstar to get the moderator rank. You know that very well.
That is barely 44%, very far from your 99%..
Wrong, try counting again. Actively or not, they were all cops before they became admins, mostly joining WS and Rstar to get the moderator rank. You know that very well.
Other 20% are Corleone admins ofc.
Everyone on the server has been cop at one time, even you.They were in SAPD/FBI/SWAT (highrank cops), not freecops to have fun. You very well know what im talking about.
What's your point then? We can say 100% is cop if we follow your logic.
Wrong, try counting again. Actively or not, they were all cops before they became admins, mostly joining WS and Rstar to get the moderator rank. You know that very well.
Other 20% are Corleone admins ofc.
When I had time to play as cop, it was tried multiple times to discuss before making the suspect surrendering. However, most of the time it fails because they take the advantage that you are typing to blast you with a combat shotgun. Every cops has experienced it at least once, so now I ask every suspect to surrender first and then we talk.You see, this is what I don't want to happen, even though people cry that there are more cops than civilians.. BULLSHIT, you need to keep wondering who is going to randomly pull out a shotgun and who won't, that is why cops just started spraying like they are on a porn shoot, now with that said, it's impossible to know what a certain person will do untill you study him, but you can't do that, now you tell me as a manager, if you banned him, and told him in his unban appeal that he can't do that, and did that with 20 people like him, wouldn't that show players how to act? I don't like typing /gu as it prevents me from my freedom as a civilian, I still want to roleplay when someone tells me "drop your weapon" I want to do the command /bomb, hiding my AK, standing back up, or laying down with my hands on the floor Roleplaying me giving up, but I understand the cops stand point where he must think "oh shit will he shoot me" it saddens me that cops have to worry if a criminal will shoot them or not. That's what Roleplay is about, cooperation between one and the other party, meaning that us as criminals shouldn't be afraid to get killed while typing, and the cops shouldn't be afraid of that, but we can't live in a harmony when nobody actually warns them.. now cyrill that isn't directly meant for you because I saw you smacking someone for doing shit wrong, I respect that, same with Mikro, he doesn't give a damn about excuses. I like seeing the server being lead by a hard hitting hand.
Nope.Says an admin who is in Rstar and a cop.
Fact is, when chosing new staff, we don't look at their rank in SAPD or anywhere else.I'm not going into how do you choose, im saying just how it is.
I'm not going into how do you choose, im saying just how it is.
Can you tell me wher e that wiki is you guys are taking your questions from? Somehow people are singing the same old song every time.No Gandalf.. there where no instructions like that.... The rules are like that, of course, a /crimeban isnt really something that could be used, why don't you punish cops the admin way, instead of giving them a temporary RP punishment. I've been copbanned before. Do you know what happened? "Meh.."
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You were part of the admin team so where are the instructions to protect cops and blackpaint criminals? I never found them.
Why do cops get suspended ? Because that is their punishment for not doing the job right.
Why criminals not ? How do you suggest a /crimeban? :rofl:
And every player that start about things that are not in the rules has never read the rules or the 80 pages of explanations or is knowingly trolling.
It's not my fault if people that have been given responsabilities into a roleplay organisation are more prone to behave and be respectful than others.
There is nothing hard in following the rules and being an excellent player.
There are no such insturctions, but 99% of admins are cops and by that it's natural that they will be on the cops side (their own side).
Yep.
There is nothing hard in following the rules and being an excellent player.
Why are people are being categorised? More than one role can be played.Because people join organizations that have strict rules about not being anything else, how can you say that after being in the FBI; An FBI agent shall not have any sort of criminal record.
Still wrong. Get some facts to back-up your statement, maybe just maybe I will read your comment again but until then it's nothing but fictional bullshit.If you didn't notice im always talking with facts. It's a fact that you're a highranked cop (LT) and that you was in Rstar. It's a fact that you're an admin. It's a fact the most of the admins on the server are cops and it's a fact that it's natural that they will be on their own side (cops side).
It's very hard for some of the player's here, you don't even have to look far to find people who have trouble doing it.
Because Corleone=/=FBI.
So Wash_Corleone wasn't an undercover FBI Director :eek:Okay bad example xD but you know what I mean, oh and I have no idea who Wash_Corleone is :/
Lies, lies everywhere! :(
Says an admin who is in Rstar and a cop.
A manager that is neither cop or Rstar says no aswell.Says ARPD Captain ;) http://panel.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/profile/78916
Says ARPD Captain ;) http://panel.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/profile/78916
He is Captain due to his Dev rights :)Nice try, but it still doesnt change the fact that it makes him a cop :)
Well, to be honest, I've been in Argonath for a long time, the vision hasn't changed, but we've always been told to Roleplay stuff and that we didnt need shitloads scripts to have fun.
Apparently this changed with the 'new-age' scripters.
It's funny how you either enjoy the script or you are a moaner and a shitter. I like this community and I do not want to see it fall.
It's also funny how developers claim they've given more support to criminals but never mentioned what they did for the police side. They gave with one hand but took away with another. Even from looking at the old RS5 page of progress, there was a bar for Police scripts, and no bar for civilians/criminals, wich was joined into (miscellaneous?)
Its even funnier that almost all veterans that aren't cops eventually get banned at some point, and how different treatment is handed out to different people.
Admins aren't robots and this is so true, like it or not, they are always biased, wether it is to tempban a player instead of permanently banning him or mark him and stalk him looking for a ban reason.
I've tought twice about posting this post, because it will probably get me forum warned or banned or earn me a denial in my next appeal at 1st December. But if thats what it takes... Sure.
Thanks for hearing me.
PS: This is not meant for any specific admin or player, if you feel like this offends you, then the hat does fit you and shame on you.
Nice try, but it still doesnt change the fact that it makes him a cop :)
Nice try, but it still doesnt change the fact that it makes him a cop :)
You are a cop too, since you have ARPD Officer rights in-game :)I pretty sure i said "highranked cops", not freecops.
There are no such insturctions, but 99% of admins are cops and by that it's natural that they will be on the cops side (their own side).
Nice try, but it still doesnt change the fact that it makes him a cop :)
Nice try, but it still doesnt change the fact that it makes him a cop :)Flawless logic right there.
Flawless logic right there.
As someone mentioned earlier, admins aren't picked by their clan or cop rank, but by their attitude, knowledge of rules and english and last, but not the least the ability to work in a team of complete strangers. Also the person would need to show that they are trustworthy of such a status in the community. I'm not quite sure if the SAMP developer team has even higher standards than that (which I think is likely to be honest).
Thank you.
"2 Months ago, There used to be 80-110 Players online each day regularly. But now I can see only 25-45 Players Online? The server is getting booring day by day. "2 months ago? you mean 3? gratz, you figured out that people had to go to collage and actually invest time in school, not everyone has the priviledge to just "do fine" in school, you know.
The server is getting booring day by day.Your personal oppinion, has nothing to do with the decrease of the player count
Mabye its because of " RS5/Delete RS4 "RS5 comming out didn't live up to the standards, why? because people were over excited for something, I will call it the Duke Nukem effect, you know when you used to play Duke Nukem 3D and it was AMAZING , like holy crap that game is straight up insane, that's because you played it years ago, and now you are expecting that again, to relive your hopes, but you are getting over your head as Duke Nukem fans were, Duke Nukem Forever would be a great game , if it wasn't for the hype, it took them 10 years to make a sequal, it took our devs 4, it's the hype that ruins things, same will happen to Half Life 3
And what do you propose?Internet hates change, but they cope with it, they always did and they always will, a comunity lead by each and every player would be redicilous, as everyone has his own opinion, we are here arguing about if all admins support cops, I mean come on. As Gandalf stated that they will have to start on a new server the same as they would on RS5, I don't think people care about the money, but I'm not here to judge the comunity. There is a reason, but it's better if it's not shouted from building to building, as Kojak stated that this is not democracy, leaders should do what they think it's right, maybe you showed the beta of RS5 too soon, or maybe people just need time for school, or maybe people don't like the comunity any more. Internet hates change, RS5 will be hated untill we feel it like heroin going down your veins and you knowing that it will be your new addiction.
Most admins are cops. Please where do you get these statistics from.Why are you so butthurt ? There's nothing bad in being highrank cop and admin.
Natural that they will be on cops side? See above.
Since when I'm Corleone? :rofl:Since the moment you aided Corleones in killing Lucianos (pictures from Corleone topic) ;)
Since the moment you aided Corleones in killing Lucianos (pictures from Corleone topic) ;)are you dumb fam
@Devin
I don't know, maybe you want to tell me who is MadBoi_Corleone ?
For example: When i come on the hill to rape Corleone and when i kill Alonso, 3 admins pop up above my head. Cyril, you and Alonso (but Alonso re-logs onto his admin account -> Midget.)
That's it, but it's not anything bad, im just pointing out how it works.
I think that the reason people might dislike RS5 are features like, forced jurisdictions as a cop, no Pay n SPray,Frankly these are the two worst things about RS5. The forced jurisdiction thing will get removed from the script eventually anyway, because it's not realistic whatsoever (though it's a lovely idea in theory), and the PnS thing is just damn inconvenient and confusing for new players.
I've tought twice about posting this post, because it will probably get me forum warned or bannedDon't worry man, I'm worried about that a lot too. I have to moderate everything I say heavily because I know my opinion is probably unwelcome.
What surprises me is that a fellow R* member believes that breaking rules is required for having a criminal attitudeWhat he said is true, long term criminal players can never get high up into the administration, because frankly they are not welcome. As a result, there are no criminal admins to moderate the bias of the cop ones. For awhile it was looking good, but then all of the criminal admins were kicked. Even if one accepts all of the various reasons given, the fact remains that all of the admins that were criminals were among those kicked.
No offense but this foolish thinking of how everything is against you and what you stand for(criminals) is what keeps these arguments going for years.It's absolutely the case and if you can't see that even after over 4 years then I'm sorry but you're damn blind, man.
Wrong, try counting again. Actively or not, they were all cops before they became admins, mostly joining WS and Rstar to get the moderator rank. You know that very well.Dude, you can't just come right out and say that. People don't like to hear it.
A manager that is neither cop or Rstar says no aswell.True, but in all fairness you're a good scripter. Being a dev overrides other things.
Anyway, please don't take that as me badmouthing RS5. I'm giving feedback on specific features that I think are terrible and ruin the script.
I said that cause that's the situation i get in daily in front of Luciano HQ. If admins asks the attackers what's the reason, they get this answer: "We're in a war".And that is exactly what will no longer work in RS5.
80% admins are HR cops ( I won't even bother counting those)
18,5% admins are Corleones (Devin, Cyril, Charlie, Midget, Hyuga etc.)
1,5% others (Exception like Dellstorm, iMarkz, Murt)
No Gandalf.. there where no instructions like that.... The rules are like that, of course, a /crimeban isnt really something that could be used, why don't you punish cops the admin way, instead of giving them a temporary RP punishment. I've been copbanned before. Do you know what happened? "Meh.."Very simple answer. A copban was an admin punishment long before some people started using it for RP.
A RP punishment isn't enough to get some cops on the right track.
No don't label me as a troll. I talked about cophunting, is that not in the rules?
Your distorting what I'm saying. Lustigkurre understands what I mean. Why dont you assume what I said and just tell me why you prefer issuing RP punishment to cops instead of punishing them the standard way? I mean for the cases where the cops intent is to deathmatch and not RP, or when they abuse suspect to Deathmatch or get money? And how would you know if the cops intent is deathmatch? Maybe try checking the logs on cops, instead doing like a UC manager I've seen who tought it was a rightfull use of his admin commands to state in the public chat a PM a former admin sent me. Ah, the content of this PM was "Interesting gun fight" incase you are wondering.
If you didn't notice im always talking with facts. It's a fact that you're a highranked cop (LT) and that you was in Rstar. It's a fact that you're an admin. It's a fact the most of the admins on the server are cops and it's a fact that it's natural that they will be on their own side (cops side).Are you aware that the current SA:MP Division Leader haas been a criminal? Now tell me again that criminals are not given any chance.
It's very easy to follow rules when u're actually not playing a game, but only specing other people and shouting: "/gu or i shoot" around the map.
For sure, the ones who can understand me are the guys who actually led a criminal group for a long time and who confronted other groups of players in many different situations and who are really playing the game.
Rusty, name me 1 admin that led a criminal group for more than a year since RS4 started.
What he said is true, long term criminal players can never get high up into the administration, because frankly they are not welcome. As a result, there are no criminal admins to moderate the bias of the cop ones. For awhile it was looking good, but then all of the criminal admins were kicked. Even if one accepts all of the various reasons given, the fact remains that all of the admins that were criminals were among those kicked.In case others forgot, you were once an admin as well as a Rstar member. Unfortunately you had to mess up both.
This is something I hope to see rectified throughout RS5's lifespan. That's what would solve a lot of the problems.
Oh no 22% of the admin team are in WS! It's a conspiracy!!!!!!Dat conspiracy to set very high standards for a group.
Has anyone actually answered the thing that everyone is moaning about? What are the losses going to be in RS5, when you kill people? 1k for each player? Do the losses change if you surrender or if you get killed? If so, by how much? What's the leeway for killing people before losing the HQ and other features? Are there any losses if you just get suspected and get killed, or if you get suspected and go to jail? Do these losses change if you're suspected/jailed by FBI? Are there different losses if you're part of a criminal group or not?Read the bits about criminals and you will get an idea.
I'm genuinely interested in these things, and I reckon it could be healthy to know these things in order to get rid of all this moaning.
In case others forgot, you were once an admin as well as a Rstar member. Unfortunately you had to mess up both.You can say that for R*, sure I did mess up, but I didn't "mess up" my being an admin. I was a good admin, that much I know.
You can say that for R*, sure I did mess up, but I didn't "mess up" my being an admin. I was a good admin, that much I know.
Anyway, I like I said, RS5 seems mostly good (although very early alpha atm). I hope it fixes a lot of the problems people have had over the last few years, that'd be great.
Oh you still play?Oh damn, that was a long time ago.
I still remember you with your group Mafia Life, as it was part of the Riffs Alliance back then.
Good times, good times.
Oh you still play?
Same could be asked about you. Woah, ze Dragons, as if right from 2007.
Cops always get more advantage than Criminals and:Like it as not for using this as the "excuse", but the solution is roleplay. Honestly? Criminals have incredibly more freedom than cops do. They can do shit cops can never dream of, and if they're good, will never hear of.
Cops get advantage over Criminal,This point can be debatable but it has no solution to it(not that i know of).
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Since the moment you aided Corleones in killing Lucianos (pictures from Corleone topic) ;)Bwahahaha, Really. So if I am seen driving with any civilian who is part of a criminal group, that makes me a criminal too? Give me a break.
I haven't posted till now but now i just cant resist
I'm one of the few guys who are actually gunning for a reset (Mainly because of the fact that almost anything considerable is held by a 'elite' few who bother to grace us with their presence once or twice a month[Cough' Gvardia])
Frank Hawk, NitrOx, Daniel Corleone and a few more...But I doubt you know who they are, seeing you are quite new my little friend. Now how about you go wait for your unban and keep talking about your "glorious" group somewhere else? For f**k's sake...Even Remo Gulucan knew when to shut up...I can understand your hatred towards me because im sexy, successful, Luciano is the best family of 2012 and is doing very well in 2013, but i can't understand why are you insulting and trying to humiliate Remo_Gulucan when even he is a way better player and person than you are.
14 Civilians - 38%Thank you for the lesson. It's nice to know that all these people are civilians now, because they weren't when i was in game. Most of them were driving hunters and hydras which civilians usually don't do.
Are you aware that the current SA:MP Division Leader haas been a criminal? Now tell me again that criminals are not given any chance.It's fine if we only look at the DLs, but when we look at moderators, admins and managers the picture is way different. But that's okay, it's nothing bad. I don't see why is so many people offended with that fact.
Anyway, Acika, just stop. What you're trying to point out has been said over and over again for literally years. I know this because I was one of the people talking to the brick wall - you don't get anywhere, you just turn people against you. It's not worth it, dude.Thanks for the advice, but even after 2 years im still trying to, for the common good.
People aren't going to change, and they aren't going to be able to notice the truth in what you're saying. They never do.
It's fine if we only look at the DLs, but when we look at moderators, admins and managers the picture is way different. But that's okay, it's nothing bad. I don't see why is so many people offended with that fact.The issue is that you seem to think criminals have no chance to be admin. This is incorrect as any criminal that is not a rulebreaker or flamer but helps out others and does good RP has more chances to see his application approved as a cop.
Server is generally made for cops, even more in RS5, but it's also a big problem that most of the good players, criminals, are leaving criminal groups to join cops as that will increase their chances of joining admin team.Incorrect, the server is not made for cops. However the server is made in such way that you can not get away with mass killing without effort.
It's good that this topic is not locked and that we can discuss things openly and hear different opinions.As long as the discussion remains civil and people do not flame or shout without reason the topic will be open.
Cheers.
I can understand your hatred towards me because im sexy, successful, Luciano is the best family of 2012 and is doing very well in 2013, but i can't understand why are you insulting and trying to humiliate Remo_Gulucan when even he is a way better player and person than you are.Remo_Gulucan is a money cheater who doesn't understand how to create a group of his own without trying to virally leech off the success of other groups.
Thanks for the advice, but even after 2 years im still trying to, for the common good.Yea check my registration date, and see how useful trying has proven to be.
For Rusty and Cyril: AirOrel Corleone, Badandy and Hard Cipone (when he left SAPD for a couple of weeks/months and joined a motorcycle club) are three good examples of what Razor and Acika were trying to say; they would never get punished when they were high ranked police officers but when they became criminals they started getting punished way too much. When officers join the criminal side they start getting punished and they start saying the officers are too overpowered; there must be a reason for that.And they all started when they left SAPD because of punishment for their actions there. thing is once you get to the point where you are bored and start rule breaking, changing career is not going to help you.
PS. I'm not trying to provoke anyone stated above.
AirOrel barely got punished during his SAPD career because he behaved and had someone with strong authority above him (Ben Samiir or other SAPD Captain/Chief). They know they can't do anything wrong or they will be dismissed. Same goes for Badandy, he was Sergeant and had no rights for mistake. That applies for almost every cop.I believe Ben Samiir wasn't around in 2011?
And they all started when they left SAPD because of punishment for their actions there. thing is once you get to the point where you are bored and start rule breaking, changing career is not going to help you.Maybe you're right, maybe you're not. Anyway, I don't wanna argue over something which is as pointless as this one because criminals will always moan about the suspects/cops system and cops will eventually argue about it with them.
I believe Ben Samiir wasn't around in 2011?Cops are just as bad moaning about how its useless to chase criminals as all that happens is they do the same again.
Maybe you're right, maybe you're not. Anyway, I don't wanna argue over something which is as pointless as this one because criminals will always moan about the suspects/cops system and cops will eventually argue about it with them.
Cops are just as bad moaning about how its useless to chase criminals as all that happens is they do the same again.To be fair, criminals think cops are overpowered and vice-versa; it's kinda logical the cops' side has more advantages because supposedly they're being supported by the government.
However one thing has not yet been discussed which people seem not to be interested in : civilians.I suppose you're gonna open a topic about it as well as you did with other features? :P
However one thing has not yet been discussed which people seem not to be interested in : civilians.I think I may have a clue as to why. It poorly rhymes with "dogs and mongers".
Oh yes i am! I'm especially interested in the court stuff which could be something to tie all the rest together.
However one thing has not yet been discussed which people seem not to be interested in : civilians.
However one thing has not yet been discussed which people seem not to be interested in : civilians.:dead:
However one thing has not yet been discussed which people seem not to be interested in : civilians.I thought being so good at a criminal career that you're considered a civilian was something I mentioned :p
Nice Frank, people are somewhere between Denial and Depression :DStill at shock.
Can someone script a forum-bot that would detect moaning about RS5 in posts and auto-respond with that image, pleaseI haven't seen any moaning about RS5.
I haven't seen any moaning about RS5.It was hardly indifferent... It was more between "CHANGE OR I LEAVE" and good.
As a whole script, the feedback I've seen has been between indifferent and good. Sure, there are issues that can be solved, but that's what the beta is for.
I haven't seen any moaning about RS5.Can and will be solved, the feedbeck has been looked at and the developers changed a lot of things, for example when you register you get a wallet and a bank card in that wallet, and I can't express this enough "beta" as this is clearly a comunity that listens to each other I'm sure we will meet a middle ground where everyone is happy.. not likely any time soon, but one day.
As a whole script, the feedback I've seen has been between indifferent and good. Sure, there are issues that can be solved, but that's what the beta is for.
Cops are just as bad moaning about how its useless to chase criminals as all that happens is they do the same again.
Can and will be solved, the feedbeck has been looked at and the developers changed a lot of things, for example when you register you get a wallet and a bank card in that wallet, and I can't express this enough "beta" as this is clearly a comunity that listens to each other I'm sure we will meet a middle ground where everyone is happy.. not likely any time soon, but one day.Not on registration, but on receiving of passport.
By Sauron, you fucking nailed it.(http://elisabethgoodman.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/slide1.jpg)
Are you people mad because RS4 is no longer going to exist ?
Are you people mad because RS5 is buggy ?
Are you people mad because Argonath is becoming a TDM server ?
Are you people mad because Cops get too much advantages ?
Are you people mad because Criminals get a-punished more ?
I don't get it! I've been in Argonath for one year, I can't yet say I know everything. But, I stayed in this server, because it's f**king awesome!
Since the moment I joined, people were talking about "RS5! OMG FOR SAURON SAKE, RS5!!". And I came few months before RS5 was going to "release". I was poor and had only one friend, my IRL cousin. So yeah, I was for a change, but as time passed, I always expected RS5 for Christmas or New-Year's eve, it didn't happen. And on 2013 I started to get to know how it works around. And still I was for a change. When the developers started getting beta-testers, I became more excited about it, joining the wave of those people who wanted/needed a change.
As the script changes, we will change as well, to adapt ourselves into the script. Yeah, yeah, it's buggy. But it's still an warm empty glass of beer, it's gonna take time to get cold, and later on get filled up. Calm your tits, lads, you all will play RS5, depending on your RL, tho'... and you're going to enjoy it, when it's ready. Instead of saying "Thank you, developers, owners, and everyone who contributed for RS5", you shit on their work and start this topic saying you want RS4, not RS5.
Almost everyone posted an idea at the idea section, some of them were scripted/added, some not, but those who did, wanted a change.
"Why fix something that isn't broken?" Have you been IG lately ? Are you blind ? Or, do you want to keep your money and start shitting on the developer's work, saying you want RS4 ?
Instead of saying "Thank you, developers, owners, and everyone who contributed for RS5", you shit on their work and start this topic saying you want RS4, not RS5.People saying that they want RS4 are not "shitting on RS5". That is a misconception that needs to be dropped.
start shitting on the developer's work, saying you want RS4 ?I can't think of a single instance where someone outright did that. Your entire argument is a strawman.
According to statistics given by reliable people, the activity decrease around this time of year is nothing new. Exams and so on for people.
According to statistics given by reliable people, the activity decrease around this time of year is nothing new. Exams and so on for people.Yep. Typically around August/September, when school tends to start.
LOL JKfuney as fk
I said this like 24 pages ago :gand:Sorry ser, it takes a condescending British voice to get the message in my head.
Wrong, try counting again. Actively or not, they were all cops before they became admins, mostly joining WS and Rstar to get the moderator rank. You know that very well.Biggest bullshitter 2013.
Other 20% are Corleone admins ofc.
Biggest bullshitter 2013.
Have you ever considered the acting of these cops and clan members who become admins? They are:
1. Acting accordingly to the server rules.
2. Acting as role-models (creative)
3. Able to babysit players like you.
Before you actually throw more shit around yourself, obviously jealous because criminals do not get the same benefits (biggest ass statement ever), I really advise you to ask why cops and members or quality clans are admins and not criminals who go around and think "/me aims and shooting his Deagle in Mash's head - /em Mash would die" is role-play.
But yeah. You have the right to your own views but you are just making yourself look ridicolous.
I don't get it. People have been waiting for RS5 so long and when it's at our doorstep, everyone left. The heck? Seriously people, RS5 is great, the bugs need to be fixed, it will be great starting all over again, we will have new opportunities, new ways to invent money. It was getting boring by the same old criminal families dominating the server. It's time to let the others shine, it's time to let other people rise to the top and other people to rise their career.Spot on. RS5 is a great opportunity to start a new criminal family and dominate the server (and drug trafficking) :)
I don't get it. People have been waiting for RS5 so long and when it's at our doorstep, everyone left. The heck? Seriously people, RS5 is great, the bugs need to be fixed, it will be great starting all over again, we will have new opportunities, new ways to invent money. It was getting boring by the same old criminal families dominating the server. It's time to let the others shine, it's time to let other people rise to the top and other people to rise their career.Your opinion and yours only, why do you want people to stay, it's their decision how to continue their life
Biggest bullshitter 2013.
Have you ever considered the acting of these cops and clan members who become admins? They are:
1. Acting accordingly to the server rules.
2. Acting as role-models (creative)
3. Able to babysit players like you.
Before you actually throw more shit around yourself, obviously jealous because criminals do not get the same benefits (biggest ass statement ever), I really advise you to ask why cops and members or quality clans are admins and not criminals who go around and think "/me aims and shooting his Deagle in Mash's head - /em Mash would die" is role-play.
But yeah. You have the right to your own views but you are just making yourself look ridicolous.
Biggest bullshitter 2013.LOL
Have you ever considered the acting of these cops and clan members who become admins? They are:
1. Acting accordingly to the server rules.
2. Acting as role-models (creative)
3. Able to babysit players like you.
Before you actually throw more shit around yourself, obviously jealous because criminals do not get the same benefits (biggest ass statement ever), I really advise you to ask why cops and members or quality clans are admins and not criminals who go around and think "/me aims and shooting his Deagle in Mash's head - /em Mash would die" is role-play.
But yeah. You have the right to your own views but you are just making yourself look ridicolous.
LOLAnything else you'd like to add to your answer? your comment is not constructive; you might aswell elaborate the reason of throwing a "LOL" in response to a statement giving few good points, even if going off the topic
Your opinion and yours onlyAre you implying that he's the only person in the community who thinks that RS5 is great? Nigguh please, get real, the general response to what RS5 promises has been way more positive than negative, difference being that it's easier to be loud when you're moaning your ass off, than repeatedly praise something.
RS5 is great, hang me. :balance:plz ser nu :war: mi gud bolice.
Are you implying that he's the only person in the community who thinks that RS5 is great? Nigguh please, get real, the general response to what RS5 promises has been way more positive than negative, difference being that it's easier to be loud when you're moaning your ass off, than repeatedly praise something.No I mean that his opinion is his opinion, he made it sound like we all should enjoy it, no, everyone is entitled to his own opinion.
No I mean that his opinion is his opinion, he made it sound like we all should enjoy it, no, everyone is entitled to his own opinion.
Let's take your subject and since we are a gaming comunity place it into a bigger object, a company worth bilions of dollars decided to make a machine of the future, a gaming console that replaces every object in your living room, so you only have this one box to do EVERYTHING, when first announced people got scared, always online? what is this, it's not like EVERYONE IN THIS PLANET has an internet connection, you can't trade in games, that's crazy talk, kinect has to be plugged in all the time.. what is this, is FBI going to watch me fap to furry porn? Guess what Microsoft did, they polished out the little things, but will slowly apply them back in updates, small updates, but yet what did a gigantic firm do? listened to it's comunity, their opinions, each and every one, oh and I remember the car system, back in 09' I owned a landstalker, I RPed selling it , and bought a different car and RPed selling it, that was the moment I found out what RP was, suddenly I was RPing a car salesman, why can't I do this now? scripts opose me, and the comunity does, I can take a state car and pimp it, but why would anyone want to RP something that they can't actually have forever? paying money? people love money, and don't get me wrong, I am the first in the line to sign to destroy RS4, just so people that care about money leave, that's what I loved in RS3, there were no scripts, well there were but not advance, if you wanted to do something you interacted with people, and RS5 kinda brings it back, just a little bit, but just enough for me to taste where my origins are. I don't hate on RS5, I'm being realistic about it, I look at it from a critic's stand point, it isn't my priority to tell the scripters what a good job they've done, they can see that from all the "wow"s and "omg"s I'm here to tell you what's wrong, as I can connect this to my real live experience as I just went to IT school and had to move schools, it felt weird, more then weird, I didn't feel like going it was just.. stupid but yes you are right, humans are a species that can adjust, if we weren't we would only live in southern europe where the summers are 24C and winters aren't colder than -5C, yes I take human evolution and connect it to a update to an virtual reality, and I take a multi bilion dollar company and compare it to a few guys working on a script, but I can't wait untill RS5 to see who sticks and really cares about the comunity and not their IG currency and wealth, I'm here to see who will fall and who will be the first to raise. RS5 is an adventure awaiting to come, it's on us to make it as polished as possible, and as I said, Constructive Critisism. Everyone needs it, and so do the developers making an update that will define the next few years of this comunity. There is a lot of pressure on them but they took the job, even if I feel like a bad guy for saying what has to be said #WorthIt.
I just went to IT schoolDo they not teach you to use paragraphs there?
Provocative content removed - If you wish to complain about others provoking then report, don't provoke back.
So if we keep RS4 and remvoe all accounts and assets that is ok with you?yes, plz mister gandalf
Ok guys RELAX!!!LOL MATE, yu made me burst out in laughter..HAHA !!
I figured out the problem everyone stopped playing because I left! Im so sorry dont worry I'm back now It will all be ok give me three days and ill have the server back to 100 Players at all times again.
So Sorry guys my bad had to do it!
LOL JK
But really it'll pick back up in a month probably near christmas when everyones home and has free time.
You think these are facts? Alright then, lets have a little maths lesson. I will ignore your completely rubbish justifications and only go on admins current positions, not past ones (FYI iMarkz was high ranked in SAPD, Murt was a criminal, Pancher was a criminal and a cop etc...)Made some slight changes to your little list.
Division Leader
Murt - Civilian
Managers
Cutt3r - Civilian
Cyril - Civilian - ex cop
Devin - Civilian
Pancher - Low rank cop - ex chief
Paul - High rank cop
Tandtrollet - Civilian
Zaila - Civilian
Administrators
Bass - High rank cop
Boozman - Civilian - ex high rank cop
Edge - Civilian
EliteTerm - Civlian - ex high rank cop
FlameMan - Low rank cop - ex high rank cop
Janek - Low rank cop -
Leon_Arallian - Low rank cop - ex high rank cop
Mikro - Low rank cop - ex high rank cop
Monkey - Civlian - ex cop
Plam_Knight - High rank cop
Reece - Civlian - ex cop
Rusty - High rank cop
Sushi - Low rank cop - ex high rank cop
Duel - Civilian - ex FBI I believe.
Trane_Kiedis - High rank cop
Moderators
Charlie_Corleone - Corleone
Conroy - High rank cop
Hyuga - Civilian
Janar - Low rank cop - ex high rank cop
Jones - High rank cop
Leonardo - Low rank cop - ex high rank cop
Megamidget - High rank cop
Mike - High rank cop
Teddy - High rank cop
Pazienza - High rank cop
Slavik - Civilian
Skalleper - Criminal, not Corleone
Spikmun - Low rank cop
So;
9 Low rank cops(freecops, officer, fbi cadet) - 17%
12 High rank cops or ex high ranked cops (FBI agent+ senior officer+) - 57%
14 Civilians - 20%
2 Criminals - 6%
low + high rank cops together equals 75%(counting ex cops, which I believe / possibly recieved their moderator or admin position in those positions.)
Maybe GTA:V Online can explain this whole player issue? :rolleyes:HAHA no. I own gta v and it blows
Why is it like this? Well as a civilian, when you kill another civilian, it is USUALLY considered deathmatching(?) Every cop you kill is USUALLY considered cophunting(?).If that was so, we'd have much more DM/Cophunt warnings/bans than we do, considering how many oranges have killing as a reason for suspection, there's just no way this is remotely accurate.
If that was so, we'd have much more DM/Cophunt warnings/bans than we do, considering how many oranges have killing as a reason for suspection, there's just no way this is remotely accurate.Well you know, SOME players can actually handle being killed, SOME players can not, and they report, and make up some bs. reason.
Oh that is too true, and the problem comes when the reported person is someone not well known in community, ergo, less trusted not to be a deathmatcher.wow, such lies, much amaze
Ok, turn it around then - people who are known to be a bit on the DMy side.what.
Made some slight changes to your little list.The highest rank I've been is an SAPD Cadet and that was when I was in White Shadows.. Over a year ago, I think.. I've never been higher, nor have I been in FBI.. :neutral2:
I just wrote out the people I know I have seen as a cop for a long period of time. Might be more, not that I know of though.
Why is it like this? Well as a civilian, when you kill another civilian, it is USUALLY considered deathmatching(?) Every cop you kill is USUALLY considered cophunting(?). That's how I feel it works on Argonath aswell, in most cases.
Also, gamers are spoiled with all the new eye-candy in all the new games that are out atm, and I know I speak for EVERYONE when I say - we are all craving a V:MP to be created.It's never a good idea to speak for everyone.
"Complaining doesn't change the future, it only makes the present miserable." -- words to live by.That's quite a flawed quote. That implies that if you see a problem with how things are, you should keep quiet and let the problem exist forever.
That's quite a flawed quote. That implies that if you see a problem with how things are, you should keep quiet and let the problem exist forever.
SA:MP and Argonath is coming towards a dead endWhat?
If SA:MP and Argonath is coming towards a dead end, atleast in players, I am left to wonder when was Argonaths golden years?2014-2015. Up to you if you want to experience them.
What?
I've been hearing that the player counts have been decreasing by numerous people.
Decreasing does not mean something is dying, its their pick if they want to play or not. But the people that want to play Argonath, and love it. Will stay, a server is not about its player-base, but about its friendships, and the people that play there.Well said Brian.I hope players will not leave cause if they do they will miss
2 months ago, there used to be 80-110 players online each day regularly. But now I can see only 25-45 players online? The server is getting booring day by day.
I've been hearing that the player counts have been decreasing by numerous people.Have you also heard that this happens every year around this time? Just because you don't remember it, doesn't mean much, statistics checked by Teddy and whoever else shows this. You not remembering something a year ago doesn't mean much, only difference this year is that people get a fake reason to moan over for this happening.
You can't deny the fact that there is a ridiculously notable decrease in activity of players on the server.I can deny the fact that this is unusual this time of the year. You can not prove otherwise without having interviewed every person who is no longer active. On the contrary, everyone I know who's gone inactive are instead claiming that to be due to amount of work at school, save for one or two who are just losing interest (And I've seen these people on RS5 beta since then anyway), which happens on a regular basis and hardly affects the population.
Have you also heard that this happens every year around this time? Just because you don't remember it, doesn't mean much, statistics checked by Teddy and whoever else shows this. You not remembering something a year ago doesn't mean much, only difference this year is that people get a fake reason to moan over for this happening.Lol. Yeah, lets pretend the main reason is because "it's that time of year again".
Have you also heard that this happens every year around this time? Just because you don't remember it, doesn't mean much, statistics checked by Teddy and whoever else shows this. You not remembering something a year ago doesn't mean much, only difference this year is that people get a fake reason to moan over for this happening.lol
Lol. Yeah, lets pretend the main reason is because "it's that time of year again".No need to pretend.
No need to pretend.thats not true and we both know it but i am not going to argue about it
Orel, there's no point in doing that, since RS4 will inevitably disappear. And peak time of RS4 after the beta launch was still 80-90, so whatever you're getting at is meaningless.
thats not true and we both know it but i am not going to argue about itThen don't bring it up in the first place. I've witnessed several days where at peak time RS4 would hit 80-90+, yet you were not one of them, so I don't know what credibility you think you have here.
No need to pretend.There is a need for it, because everyone knows the player count never dropped as much as it has now.
80-90Much more promising than the current amount.
There is a need for it, because everyone knows the player count never dropped as much as it has now.Is this the same "everyone" who also thinks RS5 and everything about it needs to go?
Is this the same "everyone" who also thinks RS5 and everything about it needs to go?You're obviously looking for another big argument and pretty much ignoring what I said, which itself proves that you are wrong.
What is relevant is that the player count has massively decreased and it's mostly not because of the time of the year.
Please provide research, and data collected during your study.You don't have to be a cook to tell that soup is shit.
Please provide research, and data collected during your study.No need to provide research. It's fairly apparent that player counts have decreased significantly in general since the launch of the RS5 beta.
Please provide research, and data collected during your study.Yes, because I am presenting an essay to my teacher.
No need to provide research. It's fairly apparent that player counts have decreased significantly in general since the launch of the RS5 beta.
You don't have to be a cook to tell that soup is shit.
And also, you don't need to do researches to point out that water is wet.
Just my double cents.
You're obviously looking for another big argument and pretty much ignoring what I said, which itself proves that you are wrong.
That's not relevant to the discussion. What is relevant is that the player count has massively decreased and it's mostly not because of the time of the year.
Teddy, no need for any logs of any sort. There's no point in discussing about when a decrease started, it's just that the general sentiment in the community is that people feel like the new gamemode is causing a decline in player activity. That is the thing i was trying to point out.
We can keep making circles and blame holidays and christmas for the activity drop, but I think everyone knows the real reason, enough said.Teddy has just said RS5 is one of the reasons for the activity drop as well but we can't ignore that this time of the year, school and work have a significant impact too.
it's just that the general sentiment in the community is that people feel like the new gamemode is causing a decline in player activity.It's fine until people start going about saying RS5 is shit and obviously EVERYONE agrees because look at how much the player numbers have dropped. Clearly everyone who stopped playing hates RS5. Misinformed and misguided logic.
We can keep making circles and blame holidays and christmas for the activity drop, but I think everyone knows the real reason, enough said.
There are a few keywords in your argument. "feel like", and "sentiment".
Feel like isn't something that is based on fact. If I feel like I'm dying, that doesn't mean I am dying.
Sentiment is also a feeling, but rather one towards a situation or event. We know RS5, its status, and its announcement have played factor in the decline. We're not denying this. We're also not going to say its the ONLY reason of decline.
Also, logic error does occur. Saying when the decline started is irrelevant would be an argumentative logical error. When the decline started is actually a critical point in finding out the factors of decline. Which, in our case, would have some degree of factor caused by RS5.
If RS5 is the main reason then time will tell come into next year.RS5 can get better or worse by that time. We're just pointing out that compared to the previous years, the player count has indeed dropped.
And Antonio? It's really in bad taste to claim someone is starting an argument which you started with a weak provocation in a topic that was dead for a day and a half.Separate topic, separate argument. I didn't mention anything about player count on that other topic, so I don't know why you're bringing stuff from that topic over here. I provided you a simple answer on why the player count has dropped, but you ignored it and implied something completely irrelevant to what I said.
Some could consider it trying to get someone else in trouble, because "Look, he's starting arguments everywhere!".Pretty ironic coming from the person who was yelling "moaner!1111!!1!1!1" in every post.
That's why it's important to know the facts, instead of badmouthing endless hours and months of work just because the beta release's timing was quite shitty and could have definitely been planned better, if only to have more active players to beta test.Please do note that i'm not badmouthing anyone here. I'm not opposed to RS5, i just have my doubt about the way it is introduced and how the communication surrounding the migration is conducted. You know me : )
You must be feeling it too, lots of people have notified you about that feeling in this thread in particular. I do hate to be the bringer of bad news tho if you haven't realised that yet
Also, i'm still willing to help you guys think about how the future of our community should be shaped in a constructive way. Hit me up on Skype Teddy.
RS5 can get better or worse by that time. We're just pointing out that compared to the previous years, the player count has indeed dropped.
Good job reading my posts. I'd recommend a lesson or two, then try again.Actually that post wasn't directly about you, but if the shoe fits; lace that b*tch up and wear it.
Actually that post wasn't directly about you, but if the shoe fits; lace that b*tch up and wear it.
Please do note that i'm not badmouthing anyone here. I'm not opposed to RS5
i just have my doubt about the way it is introduced and how the communication surrounding the migration is conducted. You know me : )There's no argument against that, the timing was more than terrible on many levels, PR failed massively, but what's done is done. I don't mind people saying the player base is dropping, that's a fact, I do, however, mind horrible ignorance of claiming or implying that it's due to RS5 solely. Teddy mentioned some of the factors already, school/holidays, in addition to that we have MTA:SA 2.0 release, GTA V release, PS4 and Xbox 1 release and people not playing because other people are not playing because of the aforementioned reasons. And then we have a group that refuse to play until bugs are fixed (Thanks guys, at least you're not bothering the rest of us while we test the bugs.) and a group of sheep that can't form their own opinion and don't play 'cause they're told there's no point. And then we have a group of players who are not yet solidified their place in community, and thus are prone to disappear when there's such changes coming up.
There is no doubt there is a lot of people with a lot of problems with RS5. I feel it, and believe it or not I agree with something of the issues in RS5. What you don't feel is why we're getting defensive. All we're getting is "rs5 is shit", "rs4 should stay", "I hate rs5", "rs5 fails", "rs5 is killing argonath". Honestly, Antonio has been the most objective person on the forums anti-rs5 yet has failed to offer any constructive feedback, suggestions, ideas, or really anything helpful. The same goes for the dozens of people who also object to RS5. We've gotten very little constrictive feedback, or even constructive criticism to help improve RS5 to cater to everyone. That's why we're defensive. So basically, either be helpful or get lost.Constructive feedback on something that can't be fixed won't do any good. And yes, I am mega, ultra anti RS5, as you say. :)
I'm not saying you are, but there are more than plenty of examples, most/all of which use one of three arguments, one is that playerbase has dropped and that's all to do with RS5, second one is that RS5 is full of bugs and thus there's no point playing it (which is extremely counter intuitive AND selfish if you wish to solve this problem) and the third argument is that resets suck, all my pixels are goneAll those arguments are true and the reason why sa-mp is in such a bad position. If those are not the reasons, please enlighten us then.
Constructive feedback on something that can't be fixed won't do any good. And yes, I am mega, ultra anti RS5, as you say. :)
You want this from getting any worse than it is? Okay, provide the players something that is actually worth playing on, and not just some dig-up of what is yet to come. Unfortunately, that is not going to happen, so not much "constructive feedback" is needed.
Unfortunately, that is not going to happen, so not much "constructive feedback" is needed.You're right, we've all been wasting time on the beta server for no reason whatsoever.
Then show yourself the door.Truth hurts, yes.
You're right, we've all been wasting time on the beta server for no reason whatsoever.Even RS4 still had a better point to continue playing, despite the fact players knew that a reset would occur.
Truth hurts, yes.
Even RS4 still had a better point to continue playing, despite the fact players knew that a reset would occur.The only point to continuing playing RS4 was to delay RS5 even further. I know it sounds like a good thing to you, but it's a bad, counter-effective thing.
Words from you are meaningless to me. You think you speak the truth but yet you speak your opinion (which is meaningless to me) which if it was the truth 100% of the community would agree with you. However that is not the case.A hundred percent of the community doesn't, but a good number does; that explains the player count, maybe? Please state my "opinions" and explain how they're not true.
We don't need you here, and that my friend is the truth.
your opinion (which is meaningless to me)
The only point to continuing playing RS4 was to delay RS5 even further. I know it sounds like a good thing to you, but it's a bad, counter-effective thing.RS5 was delayed anyway because it wasn't done and had far too many bugs. RS4 was removed because of the data loss, you seem to have forgotten that.
RS5 was delayed anyway because it wasn't done and had far too many bugs. RS4 was removed because of the data loss, you seem to have forgotten that.And it wasn't returned in the state of old data because it makes no sense and is more profitable to force everyone to either help with the server or wait patiently in the other room.
is more profitable to force everyone to either help with the server or wait patiently in the other room.Yeah...Very profitable to do that and risk lose players. :)
Please state my "opinions" and explain how they're not true.
Constructive feedback on something that can't be fixed won't do any good. And yes, I am mega, ultra anti RS5, as you say. :)Constructive feedback is needed, otherwise there will be no improvements in RS5; if you want any, that is.
You want this from getting any worse than it is? Okay, provide the players something that is actually worth playing on, and not just some dig-up of what is yet to come. Unfortunately, that is not going to happen, so not much "constructive feedback" is needed.
P.S. Nobody cares about what is/isn't meaningless to you.
your opinion (which is meaningless to me)
A hundred percent of the community doesn't, but a good number does; that explains the player count,
Words from you are meaningless to me. You think you speak the truth but yet you speak your opinion (which is meaningless to me) which if it was the truth 100% of the community would agree with you. However that is not the case. We don't need you here, and that my friend is the truth.Antonio presents valid arguments -- valid meaning they're not total gibberish and worth discussing (unless you consider everything that doesn't agree with you not ever worth discussing, of course) -- and all I see is people who are too weak to present a valid counter argument, and instead cover their tracks with hilarious personal attacks and fallacies.
Antonio presents valid arguments
But wait, does that mean no STD's?
Do you have access to usage logs just before, during release, and post release? Didn't think so. You'll actually see the decrease started a bit before the release, if you had dug into it.Ah, typical ignorant denial...
First two sentences are irrelevant.
This made me a bit sad.. the hours I have wasted on this server, the amount of people I showed this to, I made about 10 of my friends become addicted to this game and you saying that puts a closure on it, I mean it's not like RS5 won't be fun but with you saying that there will be no more updates..
4. RS5 is probably the last full game mode we will create for SA:MP, it is up to you to make it special. But remember our scripts have never been the main reason of playing.
At no point did he say there will be no updates for RS5, he said it may be the last complete game mode. That means an entire re-build of the server, it has nothing to do with game/server updates.Yeah, full game mode, so no RS6, 7 , 9, 137
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giving us the pay n spray back would also be a great idea, concidering all the mechanics in gameThis is another thing that is bothering alot of people aswell I believe. And aswell alot of other things in RS5. The one thing I have atleast found unique about Argonath is it's freedom, and how you can play here. However RS5 changes that alot, by example - Removing the pay N spray, forcing you to wait for a mechanic instead. And you can no longer suspect people out of your juristriction, that's another thing which kinda removes the "freedom" of how you can roam around and play here.
Are you guys back to whiging about things you know are either up to change or there to improve?Apparently. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursion)
This made me a bit sad.. the hours I have wasted on this server, the amount of people I showed this to, I made about 10 of my friends become addicted to this game and you saying that puts a closure on it, I mean it's not like RS5 won't be fun but with you saying that there will be no more updates..Just to make clear, RS5 will certainly be updated and worked on for a long time to come. As you may know, RS4 was worked on and updated for 5 years, and R5 will probably be no different.
This is another thing that is bothering alot of people aswell I believe. And aswell alot of other things in RS5. The one thing I have atleast found unique about Argonath is it's freedom, and how you can play here. However RS5 changes that alot, by example - Removing the pay N spray, forcing you to wait for a mechanic instead. And you can no longer suspect people out of your juristriction, that's another thing which kinda removes the "freedom" of how you can roam around and play here.Agreed, removing the PNS and making us wait for the mechanic makes no sense, it's like if you do /taxi you can't enter a car anymore untill the taxi comes, let the people decide if they want to RP mechanics or not and the juristriction.. I can't comment on because I just don't get it..
Agreed, removing the PNS and making us wait for the mechanic makes no sense, it's like if you do /taxi you can't enter a car anymore untill the taxi comes, let the people decide if they want to RP mechanics or not and the juristriction.. I can't comment on because I just don't get it..
In my opinion the closure of Pay N' Sprays was a smart think,reasons... let me show why i think that.About the second point; I wouldn't mind getting rammed after fixing my car because PNS was free. Now you'll have to pay to the mechanic in order to get your car fixed; if right after you fix your car someone rams you I think you'll be pretty "pissed" because you actually wasted money getting it fixed.
1- Raising the level of Roleplay in server with different cases that belong to mechanics.
2- Stopping the "Destruction Derby" ramming as hell outside Pay N' Sprays.
Just to make clear, RS5 will certainly be updated and worked on for a long time to come. As you may know, RS4 was worked on and updated for 5 years, and R5 will probably be no different.
By the time 2018 is finishing, we hope that there is something much more exciting available as SA:MP will by that time be where VC is today.
In my opinion the closure of Pay N' Sprays was a smart think,reasons... let me show why i think that.1. Nobody will roleplay it, they will just /repair ID
1- Raising the level of Roleplay in server with different cases that belong to mechanics.
2- Stopping the "Destruction Derby" ramming as hell outside Pay N' Sprays.
About the second point; I wouldn't mind getting rammed after fixing my car because PNS was free. Now you'll have to pay to the mechanic in order to get your car fixed; if right after you fix your car someone rams you I think you'll be pretty "pissed" because you actually wasted money getting it fixed.
I think keeping PNS would be good and I believe Gandalf said that was a misunderstanding and it'll soon get fixed.
1. Nobody will roleplay it, they will just /repair ID
2. Easy way to get people warned and ruin their punishment history for a month, I liked it.
my bro wassim is free xoxoaaaaand thats how long it lasted, wassim bob is banned again
aaaaand thats how long it lasted, wassim bob is banned again
I think they closed it to raise the opportunity for more RP around and to stop rule breaking outside PNSs, which is perfect thing to do if they want that right?Well I'm not fully sure about it but I think Gandalf said it wasn't purposely and it'd get fixed soon.
About the payment, it will not be a problem if u meanwhile earn money by working around or making drugs so its kind of the same thing, i don't think paying 250$ (i guess thats maximum payment) will be a BIG problem to be paid.It's not only about the payment but I guess it would be pretty annoying to pay whatever you have to pay to the mechanic and get rammed right after getting your car fixed.
Nobody will roleplay it, they will just /repair ID
It seems people are going in circles here for the last 5 pages.I know, right?
1. The reset was decided when we started to develop RS5 about 3 years ago. As we expected a drop in player count the moment it was announced, it was just never declared in public.
Then you been lying us for 3 years... You always said us you didn't have any decision taken :/.Had they announced it or not, the reset was obviously going to happen.
Had they announced it or not, the reset was obviously going to happen.You could've said the same about RS4 release. Don't be so sure.
Then you been lying us for 3 years... You always said us you didn't have any decision taken :/.There was always the option to read in old data, however the design was never made to include it. If we would have designed RS5 to include history, we would have needed to spend a lot of time on ensuring integrity.
There was always the option to read in old data, however the design was never made to include it. If we would have designed RS5 to include history, we would have needed to spend a lot of time on ensuring integrity.It's okey, I'm just saying that you lied us for 3 years.
While reading in old data and assets was always an option, it was never decided to work on that and with progress it became more clear that not doing it was a huge advantage to everyone except those who are stuck on virtual pixels.
Had they announced it or not, the reset was obviously going to happen.It became obvious since them explained the new economy system.
giving us the pay n spray back would also be a great idea, concidering all the mechanics in gamePretty sure that is changing.
Then you been lying us for 3 years... You always said us you didn't have any decision taken :/.Are you serious? It was obvious to anyone that RS5 was going to be a reset from the moment it was even a concept, moving over data just wasn't going to be worth the huge effort.
You could've said the same about RS4 release. Don't be so sure.Perhaps, but if my memory serves they were way clearer that RS4 was an RS3 upgrade and not a new gamemode.