Criminals should get banned from cop duty.I agree on that, but its not just among criminal that you have Dmers. For instance yesterday Dming was by a cop on duty who has no criminal history, yet he Dmed 6 people. And he's not a new player.
They can get police ranks if they are willing to be legal and not to rulebreak.
Calm down, Cofiliano, we all suffer from that.
I'm sure you will find all your answers there: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=89083.0I remember a time, back in 2008/09 when cops actually did get hard punished for Dming. The topic you gave does not answer my question.
if we had to handle cops who went around killing for no reason we'd be up to our necks in reports day-in day-out.Isn't this what you were applying for when you posted a admin application? To look into reports from players who feel (in this case) abused. Not saying you should give all your time in it but this is your admin duty, right?
Isn't this what you were applying for when you posted a admin application? To look into reports from players who feel (in this case) abused. Not saying you should give all your time in it but this is your admin duty, right?
I'm sure you will find all your answers there: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=89083.0You really have a bad habit with posting topics with long and progressively derailing discussions in place of actual contributions.
I'm sure you will find all your answers there: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=89083.0
If a SAPD member break a rule (depending of the rule), he is first removed from the group. If he continues, he is removed from the server.1. Removing a DMer cop from SAPD isn't the proper first hand punishment to be lent out to him.
A cop abuses you? Report him to the CMD Staff or FBI for corruption and so on.
1. Removing a DMer cop from SAPD isn't the proper first hand punishment to be lent out to him.
There must be something with a red line in /p that "xyz has been copbanned and [warned/ajail/kicked/tempbanned] for his DM"
The removal of him from SAPD can be seen just as a extra shield or protection for the guy.
2. We know when to report and whom to report for RP abusing as corruption. But there is a difference between RP abusing and server abusing.
Not all punishment has to be visible to all of the players
We don't care if people think nothing is done against cops.Well, you should. A copban is nothing, at least for me.
SAPD is a group with a command staff that are taking care of their members.Not saying that Mike or any other SAPD leader is doing his job wrong, but I find the above quote total bullshit. Taking care of a member is not /copban'ing them. I've often seen chicken-suit players saying "wtf? why my skin chicken skin?" and so on...
If a SAPD member break a rule (depending of the rule), he is first removed from the group. If he continues, he is removed from the server.If the player is a newbie, then the above would be correct. Not at all cases, of course. "Experienced" players go on cop duty to troll someone. After being cop-banned, they (might) stop.
A cop abuses you? Report him to the CMD Staff or FBI for corruption and so on.Because /su abuse is corruption. GG. :app:
The difference between cops and others is that we can't forcefully remove a criminal from his group.If a group member starts DMing, you can talk to that specific group-leader for the said problem. If no result was shown, then feel free to warn/shut down the group. I know for a fact that Kojak has done this when he came back active. It was a positive result ( for as long as it lasted ).
Let's say Cofiliano_Gvardia starts DMing. We can't remove him from Gvardia as a punishment. So he is punished with a warning/ajail etc..
Every group will have a limit of 5 warnings, after the group leader receives 5 warnings for the group failing to keep up the standards they are at risk of losing their "Recognized" status and HQ along with it.
To will ensure group leaders keep a tight rope around their members necks and a whip on their ankles to keep their members in line as the actions of a single member can bring down an entire group.
Warnings will only be issued for repeat offenses and serious matters; members rulebreaking will count towards an official group warning, let this be an early warning for groups to up their game and prove to us that they’re more than capable of obtaining an HQ once more.
SAPD is a group with a command staff that are taking care of their members.
If a SAPD member break a rule (depending of the rule), he is first removed from the group. If he continues, he is removed from the server.
A cop abuses you? Report him to the CMD Staff or FBI for corruption and so on.
The difference between cops and others is that we can't forcefully remove a criminal from his group.
Let's say Cofiliano_Gvardia starts DMing. We can't remove him from Gvardia as a punishment. So he is punished with a warning/ajail etc..
Didn't read the whole topic.
But are you saying that the administration team can remove a member from SAPD?
So if I was in SAPD you would be abled to get me out of there with your own will? IF yes then what is the actual use of the CMD Staff or the FBI Staff?
Just increase the limit of 'copban' to months and so.
Then, players will be so keen not to make rulebreaks on cop duty.
SAPD is a group with a command staff that are taking care of their members.You can't remove CBF from SAPD can't you? And he had a few moments of his own.
If a SAPD member break a rule (depending of the rule), he is first removed from the group. If he continues, he is removed from the server.
A cop abuses you? Report him to the CMD Staff or FBI for corruption and so on.
The difference between cops and others is that we can't forcefully remove a criminal from his group.
Let's say Cofiliano_Gvardia starts DMing. We can't remove him from Gvardia as a punishment. So he is punished with a warning/ajail etc..
7 days is fine.No a 7 days full ban is fine. Copban should be 30 days or more for regular players (not new players).
For extreme cases, it can be 30 days or more already.
Just increase the limit of 'copban' to months and so.
Then, players will be so keen not to make rulebreaks on cop duty.
If someone is behaving or new, I don't see why we should escalate to tempban or ban directely.
A verbal warning is most of the time enough. A copban can suffice too.
No a 7 days full ban is fine. Copban should be 30 days or more for regular players (not new players).If he's a regular player and he's using /duty to rulebreak, the punishment should be even more harsher then if a citizen is doing the same. Why? Cause he's abusing a Government Institution for his rulebreaking.
That's like saying most rape victims are dressing up sexy, and its their fault.
Most of people that claim to have been /su abused are either:
- Evading
- Shooting at the cop
Yeah well until you do /report you're already dead, the cop altough he abused /sus, he use some reason to cover it up (evading, kicking the citizens, etc), admins check your report says "your crime is valid" and that's it.
And then they decide to report. But it's too late as your action made it valid.
Witnessing a /su abuse is also very difficult, we can't spectate all the cops on the server and we have other things to do. That's why we ask you to take your evidences and head to SAPD Forum where SAPD CMD Staff will investigate it.
lets hear the ideas, suggestions how to change this, like I said on the start of the topic, I want HQ to tell us what are they gonna do about this in changing it back to where it belongs, dealt by Admins for breaking the rules, and punished by /ban /tempban for /su abuse, Dming etc, not 'verbal warning' 'report on sapd forum and 'copban'
There is no need to change something that currently works well.If we go by that logic, RS4 worked well, why change to RS5 ?
No, we are not going to permban everyone who misuse /su.
There is no need to change something that currently works well.It might work well for you, but it doesn't work well for the rest of the Community.
No, we are not going to permban everyone who misuse /su.
civilan runs around, deathmatching people, someone reports him - if the admin thinks he should be punished for deathmatching, he will be punished.
cop runs around, deathmatching people, someone reports him - if the admin thinks he should be punished for deathmatching, he will be punished.
And basically what you're doing here is asking us to punish cops more often.
Every admins give the punishment they want according to each situation.
Yeah I know, /gu and investigation, right well gents never did it happen in the 5 years history here, that a cop who abused /sus gets punished for it after the investigations. Why?
Cause the suspect just gets jailed at the end and that's it. Case closed, and the abusers keeps on doing what he wants.
tl;dr :)You got that right m8 hehe damn in the aire.....
Just so you know, many of our players are actually not as inept at reading as both of you.if it's what you believe then it's ok :^)
Just so you know, many of our players are actually not as inept at reading as both of you.Boris and i are big enough to represent 20 argonathers XD hehe man
tl;dr :)
Boris and i are big enough to represent 20 argonathers XD hehe manThat's why no one is willing to say that you're representing him, neither i do. I would prefer Woka to represent me instead of you both.
If you didn't read, don't bother posting.Now i like you Cyril.
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ontopic:This (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=105189.0) can reduce to less/0 of the actions that you've stated. Yet, there must be more strict rules about how the administration team would act against them equally like for any other civilian and/or criminal not just drop it out for ARPD forum. Or make the limiter of cop-bans longer (such as 1 month 2 etc...)
Suggestions, ideas, ways to fix this the way it should be, lets hear it out.
while a cop that deathmatches is considered an SAPD regulation breach?
As Rusty has said above, it's a server matter if the officer is deathmatching not SAPD, however SAPD should intervene if a report is sent in on the officer for abusing duty "tools" like /su and actual weapons./su is a script, abusing it is script abuse.
Basically, nothing will be changed? :uhm:
People are demanding change, and yet again, the demand is being ignored and turned down. Don't you think Argonath has already lost enough players? It's obvious the change is NEEDED. With the point of view certain administration members have expressed, we will only loose even more players. Whoever /su's somoene for a false reason, he does that so he can get money, which makes it a script abuse to get profit, which is bannable. I don't see why it should be an exception.
Pretty much obvious, Ferah.
We don't care if people think nothing is done against cops.Why the shitty attitude from a manager?
Why the shitty attitude from a manager?Because he is a manager. He can say that.
Because he is a manager. He can say that.
Nonsense, his response is in lines with this:You said that to me or to Leon? I didn't say anything wrong or someting else. He asked that why the shitty attitude from a manager? I replied him, Why you said that to me. btw, i know what does he means on that.
Whether the punishment is seen by players or not, it is not important. Administrators will deal with rulebreaking players as they feel necessary.
Whether the punishment is seen by players or not, it is not important. Administrators will deal with rulebreaking players as they feel necessary.
Why the shitty attitude from a manager?
Nonsense, his response is in lines with this:That's a much less cynical and more proper response :)
Whether the punishment is seen by players or not, it is not important. Administrators will deal with rulebreaking players as they feel necessary.
No offence, but I propose my tactics of back in the day :
Punish equally - either your a criminal, a cop or even a fricking hooker. Breaking rules equals breaking rules equals punishment. Either verbally or action-wise.
Yet one verbal warning in 10 minutes time is enough..
DO BE AWARE ADMINS : this method won't make you popular, at all ! but hey, who the f' cares ?
Because he is a manager. He can say that.
Nonsense, his response is in lines with this:
Whether the punishment is seen by players or not, it is not important. Administrators will deal with rulebreaking players as they feel necessary.
It doesn't matter what you are in the server you break the rules, you get punished.
Breaking a rule doesn't mean you will receive a punishment. There might be other way to deal with rulebreakers than constantly punishing them.
Suspecting someone for something like "ramming" when they aren't even driving then I would say report them to SAPD, if they are doing it with the intent to start a shootout or deathmatch then administration should handle it.Lets take your example:
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Why the shitty attitude from a manager?People can think you're a total piece of shit. But if you know it to be false, then you probably won't care less. Remember that Managers are people too, and sometimes they have to be firm about things. This includes not taking any shit from the shitters.
civilan runs around, deathmatching people, someone reports him - if the admin thinks he should be punished for deathmatching, he will be punished.True, but a civilian's punishment is a general admin warning such as a warn, kick, ajail or ban.
cop runs around, deathmatching people, someone reports him - if the admin thinks he should be punished for deathmatching, he will be punished.
Every admins give the punishment they want according to each situation.Which is exactly why you need a large mixture of different ideologies in the admin team so that the consensus reached for situations in admin chat isn't as one-sided.
the implicit assumption that admins inherently favor cop players over civilians and criminals for one reason or another.An assumption one would be foolish not to make.
Just because there is no feedback to you (the reporter), that does not mean the person you reported got away with it (assuming they really were in the wrong).Feedback to the reporting player is always appreciated. It's about going above and beyond in your duty rather than doing the minimum.
Personally, I appreciate players who know how to handle their own problems (i.e: fighting off a DMer sometimes with their combat skills, rather than crying like a bitch every time someone so much as punches them)I agree but in that case the DMer is liable to file a malicious report, and then you're gonna get punished. The only way to prove your claim would be weapon hit logs, which afaik aren't exactly accessible to an ingame admin.
But just because some admins are more kind and patient, that is no reason to take advantage of them.Patience is a virtue for administrators. This is just a fact, and anyone without any shouldn't be a part of the team.
8. The complaint email works. Anyone who tells you that it does nothing is full of shit.Depends who sends the email.
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if it's what you believe then it's ok :^)ebin response bro, upvoted
People can think you're a total piece of shit. But if you know it to be false, then you probably won't care less.Respect is earned, not given.
A cop's punishment is copban. Which is nothing.
To you, or others.
To you, or others.A cop ban is nothing. Obviously because you have no whatsoever reason to care, as you are just joining without any application, getting all the resources and whatnot from the very get go, and get it back when the cop ban expires.
It'd be pretty much good if you, leaders&managers, choose trusted people of the server (like 6 or 8) to represent the Argonath Players, as I don't see ARUN working at all, and that it's leader is quite inactive.
Those trusted players will have meeting with scripters, choose best scripts of RS4 & RS5 and come up with the final result to us, thr players.
.. the HQ must find a way to bring back admin punishment toward the individuals who abuses /duty script.
wasn't ARUN an initiative for a council between the groups their leaders and the staff...?Does ARUN still exist?
A player, the managers think that he's good enough to represent us.
ARUN is dead, Devin is the only one I see working, so I came up with this idea, to get some fellows who Devin trust in, to help him and others.
A player, the managers think that he's good enough to represent us.
If they are misusing the police script to exploit others for their own entertainment or gain by enticing issues then they can be handled by SAPD via a report of the officer.
What was that called again? Yes! Script abuse! And script abuse was bannable the last time I checked the rules! Why the double standarts? I'm starting to get so dissapointed by the people in charge.
What was that called again? Yes! Script abuse! And script abuse was bannable the last time I checked the rules! Why the double standarts? I'm starting to get so dissapointed by the people in charge.
Anything that's abused in the context of roleplay is handed in a roleplay way. Abusing scripts out with roleplay is an admin matter. Devin gave a good example.Sorry for the ancient quote but...
But this isn't the main problem, yet that the HQ must find a way to bring back admin punishment toward the individuals who abuses /duty script.
I for one think that a Veteran cop who abuses the duty, should get copbanned for a month at least, and even that is a softer punishment then he should really received and that's a ban for 10-15 days.
And yes , current copban is nothing.
It'd be pretty much good if you, leaders&managers, choose trusted people of the server (like 6 or 8) to represent the Argonath Players, as I don't see ARUN working at all, and that it's leader is quite inactive.
A player, the managers think that he's good enough to represent us.
ARUN is dead, Devin is the only one I see working, so I came up with this idea, to get some fellows who Devin trust in, to help him and others.
Does ARUN still exist?
All I know is that ARUN leader if I'm not wrong wanted to close one group that should not be named and make his own group better.
Are you his attorney?
Yes, let's pretend that he wasn't implying that the op is crying. His post was just as provoking as mine, so get off my case.
Provocations removed and user warned.What about this one?
I started to read the topic but then i stopped i got the point its one more crying topic from you Cofiliano, when you will stop man?
And yes cops are dming of course. Some criminal gets owned and he is like : omg cops dming, omg admins you don't temp ban them bla bla bla. Hold on ! there are procedures, admins can't instant /tempban when they see report without investigating, so please play and damn enjoy and stop moaning for f**k sake.
What about this one?
I am starting to get disappointed by random ex-players/community members trying to somewhat point the blame towards others.
Provocations removed and user warned.
Either you keep this topic nice and friendly and speak like mature and responsible people or it will be closed.
You don't even play RS5, so we don't need opinion of people that are only here to shit on those who work for players.Excuse me? I play on RS5, in fact, I've been one of the most enthusiastic RS5 supporters when the whole "We hate RS5" forum trend started, and yet you tell me this? Who are you to say that you do not need someones opinion? What you've said is wrong, plain wrong, and provocative as well. Someone who works for the players? Yeees.. Right, because saying "No way, we don't like what 90 percent of the community is demanding, therefore it's not gonna happen" is indeed working for the players. If you were really here to work for the players, you would actually listen to what they have to say and work to get what players want implemented, not silence them just like you're trying to do right now. And even if my activity has decreased for other reasons than real life, it's because of people like you.
What the hell are you guys talking about? I play in the server for Christs sakes..
You forgot to remove your own provocation and warn yourself:
Excuse me? I play on RS5, in fact, I've been one of the most enthusiastic RS5 supporters when the whole "We hate RS5" forum trend started, and yet you tell me this? Who are you to say that you do not need someones opinion? What you've said is wrong, plain wrong, and provocative as well. Someone who works for the players? Yeees.. Right, because saying "No way, we don't like what 90 percent of the community is demanding, therefore it's not gonna happen" is indeed working for the players. If you were really here to work for the players, you would actually listen to what they have to say and work to get what players want implemented, not silence them just like you're trying to do right now. And even if my activity has decreased for other reasons than real life, it's because of people like you.
This topic doesn't represent 90 percent of the playing community. It actually represent something like 0.029%.This topic was made for SA:MP, and considering there are usually no more than 50 players online, your statement is wrong. :)
And those 50 players are the exact same 50 all day every day? I think not.
Cease your drama. You only played 11 hours, 38 minutes, 0 seconds since December 2013.
If you cannot discuss something, and claim to be a community, without turning hostile - don't you dare calling yourselves a community.
You will find that administration members in general don't have a problem here. We react firmly because of attempts by players to shit on our work and/or this community, or people who just don't know how to properly deliver a point in general. Even if I disagree with something a team member says at the highest level, I could approach them (with common sense and respect) and have a civil discussion about it that doesn't lead to personal attacks and people blaming Manager X for the state of the community.
You will also find that the real problem lies with players who don't bother to appreciate the effort done, to cooperate with some admins' effort to bring about positive change, and/or blackpaint the administration just because things aren't being done exactly the way they want it.
This includes those who put on cute politician acts, trying to harness "public outrage" to glorify themselves at the expense of the administration's reputation. Those who uphold and spread bullshit that it is "cool" to have a viewpoint opposite that of the administration's. I don't care whose side they were on during the RS4 v. RS5 fiasco, but if they continue to badmouth the current efforts being done to keep this community afloat, then they are no better than the disloyal players.
Sorry, but there is a reason why those players usually have dirty punishment records, which would usually be their inability to listen to rules (sometimes, those that are made of as little as two words) and to authority in general. "Rebellious teenage kids" at their worst who think that authority is bad and that disobeying is cool.
So we can try and do our best, but if some players just refuse to be helped unless we acquiescence to the point of becoming their personal nannies who do everything they want, then there is no helping them. "Community" is a two-way street, and as far as I have seen, the administration is doing its best to uphold its side. While our primary goal is to serve the community, sometimes we have to stand firm, and that includes protecting players from themselves at times.
Lastly, if the "rule by majority" some people here champion is truly what is best for the community, then I challenge those who champion it to enlighten me on how our past Oscars Awards (which were the biggest displays of majority decision) all had high levels of integrity, professionalism, honesty, and were free of cheating. Please, do go on. Ill be waiting.
Great speech on my reply, if only it was related to my reply it would of been perfect !
Let me explain to you, where it is going wrong (and yes, you will be able to write a 5000 word reply after i'm done..):
- Player epicsheepdick enters the server
- Player epicsheepdick is a regular on the server
- Player epicsheepdick constantly abuses script / does not follow the rules etc.
- Player epicsheepdick has been banned twice allready
ONE YEAR LATER
- epicsheepdick gets banned
- epicsheepdick has been warned numerous times verbally, now by command (ban)
5 WEEKS LATER
- Epicsheepdick is unbanned, welcome back to our community !!
Logic ? Find me the logic in this scenario and i'll give you a beer... Guess i'll be drinking alone...
Then I guess you are already drunk, as my "speech" was actually relevant to your reply.
You've been away for a long time, and are not updated on how things work anymore. The administration has grown stricter (the details of which I cannot divulge, for obvious reasons) since the release of RS5, and now there are more ways to punish and control troublemakers.
Especially "DM groups", which were once one of our biggest problems.
You really know what is the problem of 'the community' nowadays? Nobody is affraid of breaking the rules, because hey ! they won't ban me so who the flying f**k cares?
And hey, if someone risks banning me, i'll be back in a few weeks !
And for your information, I know whats going on better than you think ;-)
JDC, no offense but man.. How do you not get tired? You write a freaking speech for every single reply! You should go participate in some politics instead, not be stuck in a computer game server forum :lol:
A player, the managers think that he's good enough to represent us.Unfortunately ARUN was a great idea, that was doomed on being a failed as soon as it was established, and I don't wanna talk details on why, cause its a long story.
ARUN is dead, Devin is the only one I see working, so I came up with this idea, to get some fellows who Devin trust in, to help him and others.
Like I wrote on the first reply on the topic, this isn't about being unsatisfied with admin punishment, cause admins practice the ways of punishment that they were told to do by HQ. Admins didnt came alone with the 'go report on sapd forum' for everything, they were told to do so.
This is a huge problem, we can't just ignore this and say its fine at the moment its not fine you can see the entire Community has a problem with it, if something doesn't gonna be changed about it and fast, its just gonna rise and rise until the moment we'll either have a community devided like a civil war which will last for long time, or we're all should go on /duty just so we can play in peace.
I have only read the first 2 pages on this topic so if i'm way off, please say so.I would disagree,imo random suspection to gain money is script abuse,like any other script usage for own benefits. Suspecting in Jcs style is an roleplay abusage which I support and consider an dirty player conspiration can be good as far both agree about it.
The administration team has been told to only act on rulebreaking when it comes to server rules, exactly like any other player. If they are breaking SAPD rules and procedures (if they are now SAPD and not FBI), they should be reported to SAPD.
I have seen 2 examples in here, /su abuse and deathmatching.
When it comes to /su abuse, it can be several solutions depending on how someone is abused through /su.
Lets say i'm getting randomly suspected by a player for a crime i haven't done. The officer that suspected me is only trying to arrest me, then it's a SAPD matter. /su was used correctly from a administrative PoV (aka to suspect someone) but the regulations SAPD have for /su was broken which means no server rule was broken.
If i would be randomly suspected by a police officer for a crime i have not done and then instantly killed, then it would be considered deathmatching and it becomes an administrative matter since the police officer broke a server rule.
The same with just deathmatching in general. If a police officer is deathmatching a player then it's an administrative matter and should be handled by a staff member online. They should not be reported to SAPD in that case.
I will bring this up on our next staff meeting to make sure that everyone is up to date on this matter.
I would disagree,imo random suspection to gain money is script abuse,like any other script usage for own benefits.
My suggestions is to try to solve the situation as much as possible in a RP manner without involing the staff team though.
Completely false. HQ doesn't order admins what punishment they should use.Oh so you become an admin, and then you're leased to do what ever you think you should? Tell that story to someone else mate.
Admins are free to use the punishment they think it's the best for the situation.
You might lose your official status then. As you are supposed to be a role model for other. I doubt engaging a war against the administration is a very good idea for your own benefit. You have way more to lose than to gain.You might want to watch the way you're addressing people, you got a big attitude problem, and that's your personal thing, but you as a manager should be careful on what you say, not publish treat based on your spinning what I've said. You are suppose to be the guy who take actions in this things not happening, or working on it so it wont happen in the future, not ignore the whole problem, call all of us here names, and act like the King isn't naked.
So when you just get abused over and over and over and over again it makes you from an player enjoying his time and roleplaying to an unsatisfied player suffering an other people boredom or cyber material demand aka money .If someone is getting suspected several times in a row by a player, then i agree it becomes an administrative matter as it's obvious that the police officer is just there to grief the players playtime.
So spending at least half of the time you are able to play with friends,in an investigation room just because 70 % of server are cops,is not going to make happy anyone,you gotta agree with this.I both agree and disagree with you on it.
HQ provides a policy to admins how they should handle certain situations, saying this is completely false just ends up you looking like a lier.But he's not lying. We do not have carved into stone what exactly our staff members should do in any kind of situation. We got guidelines in common situations which is giving suggestions on what to do, however how they solve a situation is entirely up to them as long as they dont step outside of the line (like banning someone for randomly saying "fuck" in public chat).
Oh so you become an admin, and then you're leased to do what ever you think you should? Tell that story to someone else mate.
HQ provides a policy to admins how they should handle certain situations, saying this is completely false just ends up you looking like a lier.
"We need to witness the rule in question being broken in order to act upon it."
What you said, and what Zaila wrote, is completely agreeable with what I wrote.
Now that we established that HQ gives guidelines and policy on how they should act in certain situations, and we established that's not completely false, I think that this can be a method of resolving this major problem that's like a cancer, if not completely then at least a major impact which will minimize this problem to a acceptable level. And the best part of it, it doesn't take much resources, time, or anything in implementing.
20 on week days? That shows how inactive you are.It's ridiculous how you're telling players who are less active because of school that they're no longer welcome here and they should fuck off. I've played RS5 since it's broken beta was released instead of RS4, and only when the final version released, I got to studying to exams as they were getting awfully close, so stop feeding me that nonsense, it wont work on me, I know just as much as you do, at last, it doesn't take a genius to take a look at the player count once in a while, which I do quite often. Now if you really want to play that game, let's make a deal, I'll send you a screenshot of player count on the SA:MP server each day, do you really want to take it to that? At this time normally there would be atleast 50 people online, now take a look at this, when the RS4 was present, you could have never imagined that Argonath would loose so many players and you'd be forced to play with only 20-30 people. But they didnt leave because of RS5, they left because their voice was constantly ignored, and they'd be told that "their opinion is not needed". Keep dreaming in whatever wonderland you want to live in, but you wont run away from the truth.
Don't speak about things you don't know.
It's ridiculous how you're telling players who are less active because of school that they're no longer welcome here and they should f**k off. I've played RS5 since it's broken beta was released instead of RS4, and only when the final version released, I got to studying to exams as they were getting awfully close, so stop feeding me that nonsense, it wont work on me, I know just as much as you do, at last, it doesn't take a genius to take a look at the player count once in a while, which I do quite often. Now if you really want to play that game, let's make a deal, I'll send you a screenshot of player count on the SA:MP server each day, do you really want to take it to that? At this time normally there would be atleast 50 people online, now take a look at this, when the RS4 was present, you could have never imagined that Argonath would loose so many players and you'd be forced to play with only 20-30 people. But they didnt leave because of RS5, they left because their voice was constantly ignored, and they'd be told that "their opinion is not needed". Keep dreaming in whatever wonderland you want to live in, but you wont run away from the truth.
Like I wrote on the first reply on the topic, this isn't about being unsatisfied with admin punishment, cause admins practice the ways of punishment that they were told to do by HQ. Admins didnt came alone with the 'go report on sapd forum' for everything, they were told to do so.
It's ridiculous how you're telling players who are less active because of school that they're no longer welcome here and they should f**k off. I've played RS5 since it's broken beta was released instead of RS4, and only when the final version released, I got to studying to exams as they were getting awfully close, so stop feeding me that nonsense, it wont work on me, I know just as much as you do, at last, it doesn't take a genius to take a look at the player count once in a while, which I do quite often. Now if you really want to play that game, let's make a deal, I'll send you a screenshot of player count on the SA:MP server each day, do you really want to take it to that? At this time normally there would be atleast 50 people online, now take a look at this, when the RS4 was present, you could have never imagined that Argonath would loose so many players and you'd be forced to play with only 20-30 people. But they didnt leave because of RS5, they left because their voice was constantly ignored, and they'd be told that "their opinion is not needed". Keep dreaming in whatever wonderland you want to live in, but you wont run away from the truth.
Suggesting ideas does not mean all ideas are perfect and does not mean we will run to serve every idea the veterans suggest...
To all there around:
However, server turns into shit thanks to those who have no f**king idea about Argonath and f**king moan about every shit around...
Argonath is not supposed to be a place for pampers changes...
Cannot handle a dminger, rammer, noober, abooozer, adminner - go play The Sims...
Argonath never was a f**king kindergarten... So do not blame this server for being a GTA server...
For... f**k... sake...
Thank you all...
It's ridiculous how you're telling players who are less active because of school that they're no longer welcome here and they should f**k off. I've played RS5 since it's broken beta was released instead of RS4, and only when the final version released, I got to studying to exams as they were getting awfully close, so stop feeding me that nonsense, it wont work on me, I know just as much as you do, at last, it doesn't take a genius to take a look at the player count once in a while, which I do quite often. Now if you really want to play that game, let's make a deal, I'll send you a screenshot of player count on the SA:MP server each day, do you really want to take it to that? At this time normally there would be atleast 50 people online, now take a look at this, when the RS4 was present, you could have never imagined that Argonath would loose so many players and you'd be forced to play with only 20-30 people. But they didnt leave because of RS5, they left because their voice was constantly ignored, and they'd be told that "their opinion is not needed". Keep dreaming in whatever wonderland you want to live in, but you wont run away from the truth.
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Could someone please explain the point of this topic to me? Please.
If someone is getting suspected several times in a row by a player, then i agree it becomes an administrative matter as it's obvious that the police officer is just there to grief the players playtime.I agree,that's what exactly I meant by saying now and then investigation can be roleplayed.
I both agree and disagree with you on it.
I understand that when you play on a server like this, you want to do whatever you want to do. However, as it's an online game with many players online, things will not go according to your own plans all the time. If you play online, you always must understand that other factors will change things for you and you will simply have to accept that.
who work hard to fix this community will only make you look stupid.You see, in order to fix something, you must fix it to the point where everybody would be satisfied, which means you must listen to the players. If what's going on right now is what you call fixing, then thank god you're not a plumber, I wouldn't let you get anywhere my broken sink even if I was paid to. A considerable amount of players are agreeing to the issue that Cofi has put to our attention, yet administration still denies it. The players are the majority who plays here, not the admins or developers, therefore it should be wise atleast listening to what they have to say, and perhaps, offer an alternative solution if the one that Cofi is proposing cannot be done for some kind of uknown reasons. And even though /su abuse is not a rulebreak, who the hell prohibits the SA:MP management to edit the rules? If that's what the players want, then it is what it should be.
to gain some sort of (hope for) power through hopeless "politician" acts, perhaps the administration could actually take you seriously then.
Of course it's not thanks to you, but thanks to our loyal players and the effort of Devin and our scripters.Sure, because I'm no longer a loyal player just because I took a pause due to my studies. If I would not be planning on returning back to proper activity once my studies were done, I wouldn't be wasting my time here arguing with blind people in the first place.
And even though /su abuse is not a rulebreak, who the hell prohibits the SA:MP management to edit the rules?
Rytuklis
Many of the new ideas that were implemented came from the players. They complain when their ideas are not considered, and they complain even more when their ideas are implemented. Some people should f**king learn how to make up their minds. Your voices were heard, and then this happened. Much of the blame belongs to no other but yourselves. Pointing fingers at the staff who work hard to fix this community will only make you look stupid.Why does the police jurisdiction script still exist?
Could someone please explain the point of this topic to me? Please.Cofiliano raised the fact that players on duty receive lighter admin punishments than those not on duty for the same offenses.
Of course it's not thanks to you, but thanks to our loyal players and the effort of Devin and our scripters.This reply is astonishing. Like f**king astoundingly rude, beyond the level of it being appropriate for any player, let alone someone who's meant to set an example such as yourself. It's no wonder so many turn away from this community if this is what's acceptable.
Go back to your corner and moan there, thanks.
Yea, really.Of course it's not thanks to you, but thanks to our loyal players and the effort of Devin and our scripters.Sure, because I'm no longer a loyal player just because I took a pause due to my studies.
Why does the police jurisdiction script still exist?
Rytuklis
Your arrogance and lack of understanding is only issue people might see here.
Zaila clearly mentioned it will be reviewed and discussed in admin meeting.
And you are no one to tell what admins do,you are none of them and never been to judge,so stick to your side but don't throw provocations around.
Players got an idea boards for stating what they wish to see differently,they are always reviewed and answered accordingly with cons and pluses. So again stick your head out of the arrogance shell and respect Jdc dedication even respond to your absurd.
So again stick your head out of the arrogance shell and respect Jdc dedication even respond to your absurd.I'm sorry but I would really rather he would not.
This reply is astonishing. Like f**king astoundingly rude, beyond the level of it being appropriate for any player, let alone someone who's meant to set an example such as yourself. It's no wonder so many turn away from this community if this is what's acceptable.
We won't take shit from people that are not active on our server. Why?So players only mean numbers to you, right? I've already told you I've been a very active member ever since 2010, and I've never been as inactive as I am now, and as I already said, that's because I'm currently having the most important exams of my life at the moment, to which I have to study and when these exams are over (and they will be very soon - on June) my activity will be back to what it was in 2010-2013. Just because I took a pause doesn't mean I have no right to have a say in matters that regard the whole community.
You see someone abusing, and behaving badly has cops and you think it should end?I can clearly see you have not read any of the post,especialy not the main Cofi wrote,if you can't dedicate of doing so,don't parcitipate in this discussion as your response can be understood only by your self.
- Report it here Magic Link (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?board=52.0)
If you think that what the officer did was too bad and should be reported to administration and not SAPD command.
- /report
Is it that hard to understand? is it easier to sit and moan about it, yes but if you keep moaning about those who break the rules, nothing will get fixed.
Because Gandalf wanted it to please players? People complained there were too many cops at LS and other part were empty, good, Gandalf listened to you (which again proved that we listen to the community) and implemented this. What is the result? People complain even more..Yea, maybe a bit late? It has been suggested for 2 years during rs4 with 100 players at any hour and everybody was like "its not needed at all,SAPD can organize it without scripts" and other bullshit, instead of saying the truth "we havent got enough manpower to script it" or "it cant be implemented in the current script without rewriting it all"
This might be a bit radical, but how would a modern remake of RS4 sound? Make it a hybrid: take all the good stuff from RS4 and RS5 and melt it together in a modern, fast, stable and secure script. This can be done easily by a well communicating and professional scripting team. Count me in if we're doing it.Finally a proper proposal and not just some vague arguments
This might be a bit radical, but how would a modern remake of RS4 sound? Make it a hybrid: take all the good stuff from RS4 and RS5 and melt it together in a modern, fast, stable and secure script. This can be done easily by a well communicating and professional scripting team. Count me in if we're doing it.
To get more on topic, I suggest that we focus on making the law enforcement more of a privilege, because only then people will take the responsibility at a higher level. Everyone seem to be complaining about the high number of officers aswell, why not reduce the salary and let the people that strives to do a proffesional job and not for the money have this privelege?
Just a question, what salary?
We don't invent new rules like that. It needs to be discussed within the HQ and approved by Gandalf.No ones asking for the new rules, we are actually asking for a stricter and equal apply of those on all, not just one the category of people who are not on /duty, the way it was before. At the moment that is abnormally not the case. And no can deny that.
And it would still be up to the admin to handle it as they wish.
RS5 has still time to evolve.RS5 isn't close to being finished, feels like we're still in a BETA version. The only means of economy are fireman duty, basic stuff gets bugged occasionally, important scripts constantly being disabled, lack of players and active groups. Just SOME of the things that weren't a big of a problem before this "RS5" release.
We are working on it every day.
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So at end the whole server is cops and firemans,and about 20% are citizens or criminals.
Criminal world is a dirty world with lots of risk,reward is easy money and Argonath people love money.
The only way to solve this issue is to remove the voluntary police officers.. Freecops gotta go.. Especially with such player count, it would also benefit to the variety of players, since most of them are cops anyways (as suggested in another topic.)Nono, that's a terrible idea. Freecops are integral to Argonath - the chance for anyone to log in and go be a cop is very important.
The only way to solve this issue is to remove the voluntary police officers.. Freecops gotta go.. Especially with such player count, it would also benefit to the variety of players, since most of them are cops anyways (as suggested in another topic.)We can always encourage other roles like civilian or criminals. This imo should be the last way to deal with it.
And what would it solve? Nothing that has been brought up in this topic atleast (or what was suggested by Cofi in the first post).I think the main problem it would solve would be the playercount. If more players play on the server at once, a more viable economy will emerge eventually, supported by small injections or naturally.
The only way to solve this issue is to remove the voluntary police officers.. Freecops gotta go.. Especially with such player count, it would also benefit to the variety of players, since most of them are cops anyways (as suggested in another topic.)From my experience, its not the newplayers who abuses script while on /duty, its mostly the veterans who troll around.
OK, if freecops go, i will definitely go with them, i dont have enough time to do applications, trainings and all the other useless shit.Don't worry, freecops have always been an integral part of our community in complete coherence with the Argonath Vision. I highly doubt it will change anytime soon.
So in example, if a cop in pursuit DB on a suspect vehicle which is an Admiral in example, isn't allowed for all cops? Ofc if the suspect/s didn't DB on them?
So in example, if a cop in pursuit DB on a suspect vehicle which is an Admiral in example, isn't allowed for all cops? Ofc if the suspect/s didn't DB on them?If you are a murderer dont expect cops to take it easy with you
So in example, if a cop in pursuit DB on a suspect vehicle which is an Admiral in example, isn't allowed for all cops? Ofc if the suspect/s didn't DB on them?I believe it's really horribly informed about what laws does apply for random guy passing cop tutorial.
So in example, if a cop in pursuit DB on a suspect vehicle which is an Admiral in example, isn't allowed for all cops? Ofc if the suspect/s didn't DB on them?
If you are a murderer dont expect cops to take it easy with youLike 90% gives a shit about your /crime. You get suspected for evading on foot, in car or even only suspected for something even less than that and you still got an army shooting, spraying to 2hp (always this bull), ramming you while getting your chat spammed with "GIVE UPPPPP". All you do is running, lol.
No bloody offense... But a tutorial to join cop class? what are we? **:** server???/h how2cop plise explin
None of you answer my question, does a rule or law of SAPD, like the one given in my example, applies for all cops?
It isn't allowed for any cop
Like 90% gives a shit about your /crime. You get suspected for evading on foot, in car or even only suspected for something even less than that and you still got an army shooting, spraying to 2hp (always this bull), ramming you while getting your chat spammed with "GIVE UPPPPP". All you do is running, lol.
Straighten it up from the very beginning. Don't be so easy on the continual rulebreakers whose goal is to make Argonath a huge shithole of disorganized blue dots.
It isn't allowed for any cop to drive-by if the vehicle is slower than a police cruiser, and even then they must only get the tires. Admiral is about 10 km/h slower, so yeah. As you said, the only cases where it is allowed is when the suspects are shooting back, or if they are being a threat to the lives of officers or civilians.
It isn't allowed for any cop to drive-by if the vehicle is slower than a police cruiser, and even then they must only get the tires. Admiral is about 10 km/h slower, so yeah. As you said, the only cases where it is allowed is when the suspects are shooting back, or if they are being a threat to the lives of officers or civilians.
However what cops missguide is that standing at one place and not insta /hail is called not complying,while he is actually not moving nor evading therefore complied.
So you are saying that a suspect that is just standing still is considered as a compliant suspect?I believe he's saying when a suspect is surrounded by an army of blue names aiming either a Deagle or a Pepper Spray at the suspect, and he is standing still. I often get sprayed with pepper spray while standing still.
If that the case any suspect evading or shooting after being standing still will be considered as running or attacking after surrending.
In those situations you should look at it from their side, what do you have to lose if you do /gu?
Often players will act like they have surrendered then when the cops are typing they turn around and shoot.
/h how2cop plise explin
/h guys how2cop
/h how2arrets plise help
/h someone plis
you might as well wipe that arrogance gained through asslicking everyone in power out of your eyes so you can finally see.
You see, in order to fix something, you must fix it to the point where everybody would be satisfied, which means you must listen to the players.
No bloody offense... But a tutorial to join cop class? what are we? **:** server???
Got abused today, reported it to an admin, he told me I should /gu and investigate, called 911 and asked for higher rank officer, cheers for the lads from FBI for coming down fast, and looking into the case.
Consider it a question to HQ:
Unlike rs4, in rs5 there's a thing called CRIMINAL SCORE(correct me if I called it wrong).
Right now any abuser can build my criminal score by suspecting, over and over and over again, and then when I die Im gonna lose like 40k cause of the abusers, how are you guys gonna solve this?
And did anyone even thought about this problem when the criminal score was scripted?
Another sadly misinformed individual. Funny of you to claim that people like you are the truly loyal players, when not so long ago you were parroting things such as "And I'm nothing but truthful saying that SA:MP is dead." (which I got from our Skype, just so you can't say I'm putting words into your mouth) when the going got tough.I won't deny I said that and I'll stand by what I said. At the time, SA:MP really was dead, and only now it's starting to stand up on its' feet, and I'm glad for that.
I won't elaborate on my long story, but on the way up (and even at the top), I had plenty of disagreements with my peers and superiors. Because I told them whatever was on my mind without any sugarcoating, the same way I am telling you now. Yet I succeeded in my posts because I actually gave what those jobs required, not because I tried to harness "public sentiment" and ride the bandwagon in a sad attempt to look powerful.If being successful is grabbing one hundred positions you do not have the activity to handle is what you call successful, than you might want to rethink that. Yes, we all still remember your VC:MP story. A FBI director who could barely show up in game for two-three months, mostly not even letting his comrades know where the hell he is. Out of curiosity i'd always check your /c lastlogin and it would always be more than two months. And yet you say that you were capable of handling your positions all over the community. Freaking pathetic :app:
Come back when you've changed that, then the administration and sensible veterans may actually take you seriously.I already told you: you are no longer taken seriously by actual sensible veterans long ago. It's funny how you speak for those people when in reality most of them think of you as a pathetic and desperate person who's trying to re-gain his long lost fame by trying to bash people's opinions by writing books and using words in contexts that usually don't even make sense. :rofl:
Apart from people being annoying whilst playing the game for the reason people play a game, to have fun.
What's the reason for this and what is the proposed solution to this "problem"?
If being successful is grabbing one hundred positions you do not have the activity to handle is what you call successful, than you might want to rethink that. Yes, we all still remember your VC:MP story. A FBI director who could barely show up in game for two-three months, mostly not even letting his comrades know where the hell he is. Out of curiosity i'd always check your /c lastlogin and it would always be more than two months. And yet you say that you were capable of handling your positions all over the community. Freaking pathetic
If being successful is grabbing one hundred positions you do not have the activity to handle is what you call successful, than you might want to rethink that. Yes, we all still remember your VC:MP story. A FBI director who could barely show up in game for two-three months, mostly not even letting his comrades know where the hell he is. Out of curiosity i'd always check your /c lastlogin and it would always be more than two months. And yet you say that you were capable of handling your positions all over the community. Freaking pathetic :app:
I already told you: you are no longer taken seriously by actual sensible veterans long ago. It's funny how you speak for those people when in reality most of them think of you as a pathetic and desperate person who's trying to re-gain his long lost fame by trying to bash people's opinions by writing books and using words in contexts that usually don't even make sense. :rofl:
And who the f**k are you exactly to comment on another's activity or lack of within Argonath whilst you are one of the many that said "SAMP is dead" and didn't contribute a god damn thing whilst we were trying to do all we could to please the players?
Sure JDC may have held and currently holds multiple positions, what's the problem?
As long as someone that holds a position is able to be productive enough when active to keep the position I see no problem so what's your problem?
You try to call yourself a true veteran whilst you disrespect those that contribute to the community is not "Freaking pathetic" as you put it but f**king childish.
Get off your high horse and stop trying to act as if you may run around here disrespecting those that have done what they can to help the community before you find the door closed in your face.
It's time for some to stop being arrogant little shits and to start being productive whilst being respectful towards other users.
Were you in the FBI? Did you have access to the systems and cases I was maintaining on the forum and the progress I was creating away from the public eyes? Did you read my private communications with Legend and my agents? The answer would be no, as you could not make it into FBI, or even stay in the VCPD, because we had to fire you for acting too immaturely. Something you obviously did not outgrow until now.I was fired because I disagreed with your attempts to a be a dictator and get your inability to manage your agency to bright day light. I've done no misconduct during my duties apart from defending myself at the point where you started publicly offending me in VCPD boards. I wish I still had the screenshot of that pretty post of yours.
I advice you further refrain from discussing our resumes, before I embarrass you and further expose your lack of knowledge.
I would have included a caveman translation of my posts for you and your kind, but I don't see it as worth the effort.
But I've had my fun for this post. The problem with you, and some other problem players, is that you don't bother to find out what the real facts are before pointing at the helpers and switching your allegiance to suit the situation. Who's asslicking now.
At this point, none of you have the right to complain about staff being so defensive. Why? For the exact same reason why we do not give a f**k about the opinions of moaners anymore, focusing only on players who are loyal to this community and who bother to know the effort put in to keep it alive.
Those who elevate themselves by talking bullshit about those who actually contribute to this community do not deserve to stay around here for long.
And as for the topic of cops, yes I am in favor of longer (perhaps even indefinite, like /ban) copban for regulars who abuse duty.
as you could not make it into FBIFunny how you said that, when before we had that argument you were considering giving me a chance in VCPD-FBI over the /c phone :lol: And even if I was offered to join I would have rejected the offer, because before I've got promoted to officer I've told Legend that I have no desire to get invited into the FBI as I wish to contribute to VCPD itself.
I would have included a caveman translation of my posts for you and your kind, but I don't see it as worth the effort.You do realise speaking in phrases you most likely probably don't even understand yourself does not make you any smarter than me or anyone else in this community? And I really do not see how writing political-philosophical speeches for a video-gaming community where most of the players are no older than 15-16 years old is a great achievment. Wow, I'd give you a cookie if I had one.
And as for the topic of cops, yes I am in favor of longer (perhaps even indefinite, like /ban) copban for regulars who abuse duty.Finally somethign we can agree on.
Chill, he wants to bring it personal, I bring it up personal. He knows what I'm talking about. The only problem I have with anyone here is JDC, and I refuse to aknowledge he has ever done anything to this community.
police officers receive way lighter punishments for the same violations which civilians do.
Two users muted for their inability to abide by forum rules. Anyone else decides to follow their route will be removed in the same manner.Alleluja!, these days every thread becomes a place for personal arguments and stuff like that
Let me explain a major reason for cop abusing by newbies-1.If there are multiple suspect we will need multiple cops to suspect each guy + unexperienced cop + no reinforcements + wrong juristiction= Good Luck, finding a cop that fits all the requirments and the criminal already got away with it...
1. Majority are Cops and robbers server and many newbies come from there
The only thing they do there is suspect and kill for money
2. Referring to regular players
[a] They have personal grudge against few players
Are low on money or are in too delightful mood to do it
Possible Suggestions
1. Time Interval-
Keep a time interval between usage of /su by cops. As there are many cops for now, it must not be a problem for collaborating cops
2.Reset Criminal Score
Once a man gets unsuspected , please remove the criminal score he gets due to wrong suspection.
For DMing cops, i hope admins can look after that
No need for an admin command. You can just ask a cop to jail you.And why does a innocent person, victim of an abuse, who didn't break any law or rule, except being abused by some rule breaker has to get jailed?
Apart from people being annoying whilst playing the game for the reason people play a game, to have fun.1.Raise the punishment for copban to a 1 week-1month for a veteran cop.
What's the reason for this and what is the proposed solution to this "problem"?
1.Raise the punishment for copban to a 1 week-1month for a veteran cop.
2.After getting 2 cop bans in a row, the 3rd time is a full ban.
Place this, and problem solved.
Alleluja!, these days every thread becomes a place for personal arguments and stuff like that
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Back on topic-1.If there are multiple suspect we will need multiple cops to suspect each guy + unexperienced cop + no reinforcements + wrong juristiction= Good Luck, finding a cop that fits all the requirments and the criminal already got away with it...
There is something called teamwork a cop must follow, they get paid for that not for abusing.
Inexperienced cops need to wait for backup that happens IRL too. No reinforcements is a badluck on both cop and criminal side. If a criminal gets away because of non coordination of cops, its neither a script mistake nor criminal 's mistake
You can't expect the 1160 members of SAPD group to perfectly cooperate 24/7. It's completly unrealistic.How is it unrealistic ? Do you think cops in real life just go around killing "bad dudes" ? In real life, the "criminal" is a suspect, and innocent, until found guilty.
How is it unrealistic ? Do you think cops in real life just go around killing "bad dudes" ? In real life, the "criminal" is a suspect, and innocent, until found guilty.
In Argonath, even though we got laws for it, we're guilty because some random cop, that works as a fireman most of the time, was told in PM that I made a kidnap. Then they /su for "attempted 211".
You can't expect the 1160 members of SAPD group to perfectly cooperate 24/7. It's completly unrealistic.
It's not because few individuals might be abusing their powers that it gives you the right to disrespect a whole group.
In real life people don't go around armed, shooting and aiming at people nor they drive like they are in a video game ignoring all trafic laws. IRL when a cop ask someone to do something, the person either comply or he is arrested by force. IRL, suspect also don't go around saying they have been abused or saying they haven't done anything wrong. They are taken to the PD and cops will investigate there.People shoot each-other in real life, but they don't get orange when they do, so they don't get killed so fast, with a cop saying he shot the criminal because he was a murdered, I know he had a gun!!!!!!!one1eleven11!! In Argonath, cops investigate without evidence, tyvm. Go UC, speed the fk out of a admiral/premier/some car that cops think it's slow, request an investigation not from admin or Senior Officer+, request it from a new guy. Then come here and post results.
So please don't start talking about real life.
That's not up to you to decide what new players are able to do or not.Then shouldn't get away with nothing, don't you think so ?
Most of rulebreak don't come from new players but from veterans.
Then shouldn't get away with nothing, don't you think so ?
That's not up to you to decide what new players are able to do or not.
Most of rulebreak don't come from new players but from veterans.
As topic says, enough is enough.
Newbies from other servers must not be able to join SAPD as soon as they arrive without passports and with a test which a class 1 child can succeed in.
Its up to us, as we are being bothered by them being on cop duty. They don't know RP rules.They just /area , reach there , Shoot or take us to jail without a word except from /m123
I provided three videos as a proof, out of three, 2 were new comers.
So stop telling things that most rulebreaks aren't from newbies. Most times they are pardoned with a verbal warning so you can't see their punishment history.
How many times have you helped a new player since RS5?
How about don't give money when you kill/jail a suspect, make it like real life, paycheck according to your rank/activity as a cop every week or so and this problem should be solved.
How do you measure activity ?Activity IG, as a cop ?
Activity IG, as a cop ?
AFKfest. No one will be given money for sitting around in-game on duty.Isn't there anti-AFK support ? :D I mean, you get that clock thingy when you're AFK, if you ahve that, activity doesn't raise.
You want money? Then work for it.
Isn't there anti-AFK support ? :D I mean, you get that clock thingy when you're AFK, if you ahve that, activity doesn't raise.
And then we have people sitting around without pausing, no salary for sitting around.There will always be advantages and disadvantages but there are more positive things in this idea then negative ones.
Police are paid for the work they do, not how long they sit around on duty.
As topic says, enough is enough.
Newbies from other servers must not be able to join SAPD as soon as they arrive without passports and with a test which a class 1 child can succeed in.
There will always be advantages and disadvantages but there are more positive things in this idea then negative ones.
As for now we have most of the time 40 players with 25 cops, which leaves us with 10 firemen and 2 civilian/suspect and 3 afks and it's very boring, with this idea I am sure there will be less cops if you put a fair paycheck. also there will be less abuse and more RP as people won't be looking only for killing the suspects.
In real life people don't go around armed, shooting and aiming at people nor they drive like they are in a video game ignoring all trafic laws.Actually they do.
Ever heard of 'ACAB'? Pls people moan about police everyday.
IRL when a cop ask someone to do something, the person either comply or he is arrested by force. IRL, suspect also don't go around saying they have been abused or saying they haven't done anything wrong. They are taken to the PD and cops will investigate there.
And why does a innocent person, victim of an abuse, who didn't break any law or rule, except being abused by some rule breaker has to get jailed?
How about we jail the abusive cop, and then when he does get jailed, the criminal score he raised by abusing /sus gets erased.
You can't expect the 1160 members of SAPD group to perfectly cooperate 24/7. It's completly unrealistic.
In real life people don't go around armed, shooting and aiming at people nor they drive like they are in a video game ignoring all trafic laws.
IRL when a cop ask someone to do something, the person either comply or he is arrested by force.
IRL, suspect also don't go around saying they have been abused or saying they haven't done anything wrong. They are taken to the PD and cops will investigate there.
And cops doesn't investigate anything, the Justices Department does, in most countries in the world.
5 years of admin experience calls bullshit on your claims against new players. As Emmet said, our worst headaches come from "veterans", not newbies.People don't go on the rest of the duties beacuse they are boring. why would someone want to be a medic when there is a store where you can refill HP? why would anyone want to be a driver when people don't want to spend thier money so they prefer running to a state car?
A new player who abuses does not know about the rules in most cases, or how things work. They are still easy to correct, most of them will react nicely if you show them that you will treat them like people, and those who refuse to learn will not last long on the server before an admin gets in their way.
A "veteran" who abuses, on the other hand, already knows how things work, yet still chooses to treat other players like shit. They cannot claim ignorance of our rules, therefore their punishment will be greater. As they know more, more will also be expected from them. Troublesome players from this category are the real problem.
Do not ever try and pin the blame for the problem underlying this topic on new players, because anyone with at least half a brain who has stuck around will know that they are not to blame. If we treated new players with the same elitist and closed-minded view as yours, then most of you will not be here today.
The problem with your approach, like that of many others here, is that it is mediocre. You attack what "has" instead of bringing up "what does not have". Why not give all jobs the opportunity to be as financially sustainable as cop and fireman instead?
Players flock to Cop and Fireman duty because they know they can be rewarded adequately. Instead of trying to nerf those jobs because they actually provide something, focus on enhancing the other jobs that "lack", so that the average overall quality of jobs goes higher, rather than lower.
If you still can't understand that, then here's an (MS Paint) graph example.
(http://i61.tinypic.com/153351c.jpg)
People don't go on the rest of the duties beacuse they are boring. why would someone want to be a medic when there is a store where you can refill HP? why would anyone want to be a driver when people don't want to spend thier money so they prefer running to a state car?
firemen and cop duties are the ones with most action and most $$, thats why people choose to go on these duties.
What I suggested was actually going to lower the cops on the server, not make more people go on cop duty.
5 years of admin experience calls bullshit on your claims against new players. As Emmet said, our worst headaches come from "veterans", not newbies.Really? You gotta be kidding me, where in hell do you find all the time to write those books plus graphics? Tell me your secret JDC, i really wanna know.
A new player who abuses does not know about the rules in most cases, or how things work. They are still easy to correct, most of them will react nicely if you show them that you will treat them like people, and those who refuse to learn will not last long on the server before an admin gets in their way.
A "veteran" who abuses, on the other hand, already knows how things work, yet still chooses to treat other players like shit. They cannot claim ignorance of our rules, therefore their punishment will be greater. As they know more, more will also be expected from them. Troublesome players from this category are the real problem.
Do not ever try and pin the blame for the problem underlying this topic on new players, because anyone with at least half a brain who has stuck around will know that they are not to blame. If we treated new players with the same elitist and closed-minded view as yours, then most of you will not be here today.
The problem with your approach, like that of many others here, is that it is mediocre. You attack what "has" instead of bringing up "what does not have". Why not give all jobs the opportunity to be as financially sustainable as cop and fireman instead?
Players flock to Cop and Fireman duty because they know they can be rewarded adequately. Instead of trying to nerf those jobs because they actually provide something, focus on enhancing the other jobs that "lack", so that the average overall quality of jobs goes higher, rather than lower.
If you still can't understand that, then here's an (MS Paint) graph example.
(http://i61.tinypic.com/153351c.jpg)
@Rusty, what I wrote in my suggest is to raise the limit for cop ban, I know atm 1 month is probably not scripted.No god, please no, if that happens ill end up playing once 2 months
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False Graphs.
Cop duty rewards are much less compared to fireman rewards
And "Others" Like Drugs must be raised.
Really? You gotta be kidding me, where in hell do you find all the time to write those books plus graphics? Tell me your secret JDC, i really wanna know.
My suggestion is that, first of all the newcommers (newbie) should not be able to join the police duty. Somewhat like, for example; There's is a new player ingame, he needs to be apart SAPD. He went into the PD, and gets on the duty mark. A message appears that, "You need to play atleat 1/2 Weeks to join police duty.". This would really help to decrease the DM'ing occured by the newcommer(s).
Bullshit.
The biggest ammount of people abusing stuffs like copduty is the veterans. If you see a new guys abusing? Help him instead of moaning on him.
When are you all going to learn this?^
A new player breaks a rule because he doesn't know what he's doing wrong. A veteran breaks a rule (copduty etc) just to be a f**king moron.
Stop blaming everything on the new players.
New players will always be allowed to join cop duty if they wish.
No point to argue about it, it's not going to change.
New players will always be allowed to join cop duty if they wish.
No point to argue about it, it's not going to change.
Atleast a wait for their passports and driving license would be appreciated as it is in MTA.It still doesn't change much. I have seen more trolls with passports than newbies who just joined.
Could you explain why that cannot be changed?
Da fuk, i just logged into the server and a cop comes and /su me for suspicious gang activity and starts shooting.When no admins are online, you record or take pictures and send it to [email protected]. Admins (or even UC admin, who may not be always available) can't act on some rulebreak unless they have seen it.
Please any admin hop in. He is abusing many players
ID - Jackling jobalinghar.
A UC admin would be appreciated.
I just suggest that the newcommers should not be able to join the cop duty until they know the job totally, that how it works. Then simply no one would moan a newcommer.New players are what make up Argonath. How is a new player going to have enough experience of something without even being allowed to experience the something? Your logic doesn't make sense.
Atleast a wait for their passports and driving license would be appreciated as it is in MTA.Because MTA is different? The SA:MP community is very different than MTA community (talking about the game community in general not Argonath). You can't compare MTA SA with SA:MP until SA:MP's scripting capability is close to MTA or until MTA's playerbase is close to SA:MP. A player who has just recieved his passport and license would still be a newbie cop when he/she joins the police duty for the first time. Even if they have seen other cops doing how it should be done, they have no fucking idea of how it all works. They just do it how they want.
Could you explain why that cannot be changed?
A player who has just recieved his passport and license would still be a newbie cop when he/she joins the police duty for the first time. Even if they have seen other cops doing how it should be done, they have no f**king idea of how it all works. They just do it how they want.
Agree with you Charlie but,
Given a passport, till then he will know
3. What are basic server rules
4. Not to DM anyone
Well, you have a passport and know the basic rules, yet you have been punished few times for deathmatching and other rulebreak...
But much of the direct DM cases come from those not having passports.
New players will always be allowed to join cop duty if they wish.
No point to argue about it, it's not going to change.
Aww.... Yes.
But much of the direct DM cases come from those not having passports.
False, the worst problems (including the worst copbaiters) come from those who already know enough about the server and the rules.
You are one good example, highlighted by that copbait rampage of yours with your friends earlier.
New players are what make up Argonath. How is a new player going to have enough experience of something without even being allowed to experience the something? Your logic doesn't make sense.
But much of the direct DM cases come from those not having passports.
New players will always be allowed to join cop duty if they wish.
No point to argue about it, it's not going to change.
Just sharing this:
In Argonath MTA:SA server you would need to have a passport before even having the ability to take test before you can go on duty. The test actual cannot be passed with out proper knowledge regarding ARPD and the server. The new player that want to be on duty is actually taking initiative to browse though the forum and knowing the rules so he can pass the test.
This works pretty good IMO, but then again we're different than SA:MP.
I never go backwards while helping a new player, but it's really annoying when a player whom we have guided does the opposite thing. I really think that why doesn't the management team understands this thing.Your logic is twisted.. and you contradict yourself.
Blame all the "cool" veterans who think they are so "cool" that they have no time to teach new players how to become cops. If that wasn't bad enough, you'd see these trains of thought from them too:
"oh, aren't there enough cops already anyway?"
"I shouldn't be forced to help new players, that's something for admins"
"It's irritating to see help chat when I'm trying to focus on my own little world in roleplay, f**k those people asking for help"
After, they only further discriminate on and blame those new players when they rulebreak because none of the older players gave a f**k when they were trying to learn the rules and ropes. Unfortunately, the reason we've needed this a script is quality control, just to make sure that helping new cops didn't shrivel up into nothingness because there weren't enough who were willing.
People have no right to f**king complain about new players if they themselves turned a blind eye when those new players were asking for help. Many new players lack knowledge of the rules because of "veterans" who didn't give a f**k about informing them, focusing instead on themselves.
P.S: At the end of this quote, I realize you are misinformed; the scirpt is not a "tutorial", but a test; that a new player cannot become a cop unless they know some very basic facts about Argonath, as well as how to drive/shoot half-decently.
You just can't compare MTA SA and SA MP and I have already said why.Your logic is twisted.. and you contradict yourself.
A player requires to gain experience to be experienced.
So a script is needed to 'test' people in order to see if they are able to join? Whats next? a scripted test to join the administration team? don't automate things that shouldn't be automated :-)
I'm not entirely in favor of automation either, but I point out that things had to reach this level because we have too much regulars and "veterans" who turn up their noses at new players.true dat.
*Newplayer joins server*
Newplayer: "hi, i am new what i do on this server"
Regular: "f**k off, I'm too busy focusing on my own roleplay. I have no time to help new players like you."
*regular doesn't teach new player*
*Newplayer breaks rules*
Regular: "OMG ADMINS THIS NOOB IS DMING ME WE NEED MORE LIMITS ON NEW PLAYERS"
Such logic.
And what are the causalities?What?
DMing a group of people and then getting copbanned?
Your logic is totally wrong
What?
I'm not entirely in favor of automation either, but I point out that things had to reach this level because we have too much regulars and "veterans" who turn up their noses at new players.
*Newplayer joins server*
Newplayer: "hi, i am new what i do on this server"
Regular: "f**k off, I'm too busy focusing on my own roleplay. I have no time to help new players like you."
*regular doesn't teach new player*
*Newplayer breaks rules out of ignorance*
Regular: "OMG ADMINS THIS NOOB IS DMING ME WE NEED MORE LIMITS ON NEW PLAYERS"
Such logic.
I'm not entirely in favor of automation either, but I point out that things had to reach this level because we have too much regulars and "veterans" who turn up their noses at new players.
*Newplayer joins server*
Newplayer: "hi, i am new what i do on this server"
Regular: "f**k off, I'm too busy focusing on my own roleplay. I have no time to help new players like you."
*regular doesn't teach new player*
*Newplayer breaks rules out of ignorance*
Regular: "OMG ADMINS THIS NOOB IS DMING ME WE NEED MORE LIMITS ON NEW PLAYERS"
Such logic.
*Newplayer joins server*
Newplayer: "hi, i am new what i do on this server"
Regular: "f**k off, I'm too busy focusing on my own roleplay. I have no time to help new players like you."
*regular doesn't teach new player*
*Newplayer breaks rules out of ignorance*
Regular: "OMG ADMINS THIS NOOB IS DMING ME WE NEED MORE LIMITS ON NEW PLAYERS"
Such logic.
Must have been fun for you to write those lines, but I don't think these kind of scenes actually happens.True, nobody tells anyone to f**k off without getting kicked.
http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=32469.0
At least next time you know that if you have to do something, you better quit the game than staying AFK.
lol! Don't take out mistakes from it. Read the whole report. ;)
You checking that what mistake I have made, see that what the newcomer did?
Have you tried to help him and explain him how the server works?Exactly what I wanted to hear. Many have a problem with this, it's not funny for them. And it's not funny when you don't have power to unsuspect yourself and then laugh at the chicken skin guy who probably /q to avoid ban.
This is where I would like to see people helping others instead of resorting to reports for every little matter.The HQ should understand our frustration when such things happen. It's not our duty, as civilians, to teach a cop how to do his job. There are SAPD high-ranks who should be doing this and there are moderators as well. A regular player might do it once, twice, but not all the time. People go IG to have fun and RP, not teach some dudes that don't understand English how to not ruin their game-play.
The HQ should understand our frustration when such things happen. It's not our duty, as civilians, to teach a cop how to do his job. There are SAPD high-ranks who should be doing this and there are moderators as well. A regular player might do it once, twice, but not all the time. People go IG to have fun and RP, not teach some dudes that don't understand English how to not ruin their game-play.
I'm not entirely in favor of automation either, but I point out that things had to reach this level because we have too much regulars and "veterans" who turn up their noses at new players.
*Newplayer joins server*
Newplayer: "hi, i am new what i do on this server"
Regular: "f**k off, I'm too busy focusing on my own roleplay. I have no time to help new players like you."
*regular doesn't teach new player*
*Newplayer breaks rules out of ignorance*
Regular: "OMG ADMINS THIS NOOB IS DMING ME WE NEED MORE LIMITS ON NEW PLAYERS"
Such logic.
It's not our duty, as civilians, to teach a cop how to do his job.
You would have a point if this actually happened in the first place.
Can you show me even a single example of a regular player behaving like that with the new players?
Must have been fun for you to write those lines, but I don't think these kind of scenes actually happens.
True, nobody tells anyone to f**k off without getting kicked.
The HQ should understand our frustration when such things happen. It's not our duty, as civilians, to teach a cop how to do his job. There are SAPD high-ranks who should be doing this and there are moderators as well. A regular player might do it once, twice, but not all the time. People go IG to have fun and RP, not teach some dudes that don't understand English how to not ruin their game-play.
It's not our duty
That's what you get when no action is taken against so called 'regulars with the argonath vision'
If you see no point - My point is made. Reflect on that !
He was AFK, there's no rule to stop anyone going AFK, unless he's blocking a "busy" road/PnS. ( Oh wait... )We won't protect anyone for being AFK either. It has always been suggested that if you want to head off for quite some time, use /q. Don't go AFK.
The HQ should understand our frustration when such things happen. It's not our duty, as civilians, to teach a cop how to do his job. There are SAPD high-ranks who should be doing this and there are moderators as well. A regular player might do it once, twice, but not all the time. People go IG to have fun and RP, not teach some dudes that don't understand English how to not ruin their game-play.You've no right to complain about something if you don't do anything about it. The veterans and regulars are looked upon by new players for help. If a veteran doesn't help, how the fuck do you think a new player will improve? Even if he somehows manages to learn about everything on the server, do you think he will think about helping a new player, when a Veteran didn't help him when he needed help?
You are part of an official group and you are a regular player.He has no "job" to do on this server, the only thing he has to do is play, your job is to help people.
Therefore you job is to help anyone on this server. If you don't bother doing that, then don't complain.
Here we go. You are part of an official group and you are a regular player.
Therefore you job is to help anyone on this server. If you don't bother doing that, then don't complain.
He has no "job" to do on this server, the only thing he has to do is play, your job is to help people.
Here we go. You are part of an official group and you are a regular player.
Therefore you job is to help anyone on this server. If you don't bother doing that, then don't complain.
He has no "job" to do on this server, the only thing he has to do is play, your job is to help people.He has no right to complain then either. :)
I don't see any fault from his side if he's apart of an official group and not helping newcomer with the police script/system. He's in a group which have a 'CRIMINAL' status. As it was dicussed before that half of the server is on cop suty (Including high rank officers, and if not them for sure there would be an/some admin(s) online). They there to help them with the script that how does the cop system works. If not them, the server and puttin all the thing regarding cops in /help.
P.S: If there is some mistake(s) ignore them, because I posted it with my phone.
What? I don't understand what you mean? So if your part of a official clan/group it is obligatory to help every new player and in his case even if your a criminal, teach him how to be a cop? Or your not allowed to give your views about any faults on the server..?Helping players is one of the many reasons why a group is issued official status as far as I know. So if a group doesn't want to help, why would they get to keep their official status?
Players come to the server to have fun and relax not go round looking for new players to help. I'm not saying you shouldn't help new players, of course you should but that's if the person wants to do it. It isn't their responsibility to make sure everyone knows how to play.
So if a group doesn't want to help, why would they get to keep their official status?
Why you twisting my words? Did I say anything like that? My question was towards Cyril about saying it is it is obligatory to help new players. Argonath gets new players nearly everyday. Players go in to RP and have fun. And I don't think having a official status means you have to help players 24/7.
Correct! Getting an Official status is not given through helping players, it is been issued by thier activity and dedication towards RP.
Why you twisting my words? Did I say anything like that? I didn't say no one wants to help new or old players. My question was towards Cyril about saying it is it is obligatory to help new players. Argonath gets new players nearly everyday. Players go in to RP and have fun. And I don't think having a official status means you have to help players 24/7.
Why you twisting my words? I didn't say they had to help players 24/7.I won't even be online 24/7.
If they encounter someone that is not familiar with how things works, they have to try to teach them.
Don't expect admins to teach everyone, if you do think admins have to teach every new players, then don't complain next time you report someone and no one is answering your report.
Why you twisting my words? I didn't say they had to help players 24/7.
Why you twisting my words? I didn't say they had to help players 24/7.
If they encounter someone that is not familiar with how things works, they have to try to teach them.
Don't expect admins to teach everyone, if you do think admins have to teach every new players, then don't complain next time you report someone and no one is answering your report.
You guys don't understand that it's not new player fault if you are abused or DMed or whatever.There's no more /hduty on/off. Recruit more moderators if that's a problem.
It's the community fault by not welcoming there, introducing them to the server, trying to help them out.
Few players used to drive to LSAP to welcome new players and give them a guided tour, explaining how things work here.
If more players were doing that instead of talking crap on main chat 24/7 or driving around without any purpose, the server quality would increase and we would have more players.
TextStill didn't answer my question but okay.
Its is up to the players when they do and don't want to help new players and should remain that way without a manager saying 'did you help anyone today?' 'Nah not today didn't feel like it.' ' oh okay, don't ever come to me with any problem you may face on the server'.
Why not? I'm a player, and as everyone is equal here, if you ask me for help, I can just answer "No, I don't feel like helping today".
Why you twisting my words? Did I say anything like that? I didn't say no one wants to help new or old players. My question was towards Cyril about saying it is it is obligatory to help new players. Argonath gets new players nearly everyday. Players go in to RP and have fun. And I don't think having a official status means you have to help players 24/7.Nobody asks to help a new player 24/7 but if Stivi's complaining about it, he has faced it and in which case he's supposed to help the guy he's facing the issue with, that's for being from an official group. We don't ask you to go around LSAP and help every new player you see but if you are having a personal problem with a new player, you as a part of an official group should help him instead of complaining on forums or public chat.
That's the point which we are try to explain you guys since last few weeks. You have to extend the time before a new player could join police duty. Without any knowledge about the role and hopes, how do you expect them not to break rules. Let them understand the things first. If the management team would not give any responce then for sure poeple will complain.Do you not use any logic? How can a player understand something without even experiencing it?
Stop blaming everything on the new players.
I'm not entirely in favor of automation either, but I point out that things had to reach this level because we have too much regulars and "veterans" who turn up their noses at new players.i have seen this happening more than once.
*Newplayer joins server*
Newplayer: "hi, i am new what i do on this server"
Regular: "f**k off, I'm too busy focusing on my own roleplay. I have no time to help new players like you."
*regular doesn't teach new player*
*Newplayer breaks rules out of ignorance*
Regular: "OMG ADMINS THIS NOOB IS DMING ME WE NEED MORE LIMITS ON NEW PLAYERS"
Such logic.
If you thought I was typing those lines verbatim rather than how the train of thought works, then your common sense needs improvement.
I cba to post such singular instances as I have better things to do than lie in wait for the next regular who doesn't give a f**k about new players. But if you really want me or someone else to, and you become guilty of this, don't pull up any regrets or excuses if your or your friends' names are posted for all the world to see.
In the real [Argonath] world, different from the distant, theoretical realm of people who value roleplay and exclusivity over being nice to others, this actually happens a lot. Or else, we wouldn't even need it to be a specialized task of Moderators in the first place. We even have examples in this very topic.
ABUSE NO.2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-ZAc9B5C7Q&feature=youtu.be
Note - He got punished by admin with a tempban of 17mins, Again thanks Slavik and Leon.
Don't expect admins to teach everyone, if you do think admins have to teach every new players, then don't complain next time you report someone and no one is answering your report.
Why not? I'm a player, and as everyone is equal here, if you ask me for help, I can just answer "No, I don't feel like helping today".
Do you not use any logic? How can a player understand something without even experiencing it?
I give you a car for the first time and instruct you how to slowly accelerate.Can YOU drive it without having any problem (dropping the clutch way too early, as an example of a problem) for the very first time you TRY it?
Absolutely not, not one has ever done done. There's no point in theory until something has been put to practice. Not allowing players to join police duty without passport would just delay the problem to a later date. The faster they learn, the better.
No this does not mean you MUST help new players but giving new players a hand every so often will not kill you.
The point of the server is fun, helping others at times is the least veterans can do after all administration has done for them in the past.
Not obligatory to help new players, but if you don't help, that removes your right to complain.That's the same as saying unless you help new player I don't give a shit about any problem you may have so you are making it obligatory. Anyways Devin basically summed it up and i'll leave it at that.
I am rather bored of these pointless arguments, the least a veteran player and community member could do is to assist players if they see a player in need.
No this does not mean you MUST help new players but giving new players a hand every so often will not kill you.
Stop blaming new players for shit, stop blaming administrators for not doing every single thing including babysitting you all when someone breaks a damn rule.
The point of the server is fun, helping others at times is the least veterans can do after all administration has done for them in the past.
Just because you grow bored of this, doesn't resolve the issue, don't be such a fool with a nonsense statement. I agree, people should aid eachother and it is everyones choice(except administrations) to help others out. If people break a rule, they will be blamed for it as they should be. It is up to them to accept it, fix it and move on. It is an administrators job to enforce the rules, you cannot punish everything that breaks a rule, but if they are repeat offenders they will be caught...and it seems they aren't if it's consistently happening. Yes the point of this whole community is fun, but when others are tainting it, how is that fun? All administration has done for who in the past? If it weren't for the normal community members, there would be NO COMMUNITY. The least you can do is help solve the problem instead of letting everyone know you're bored, as probably one of them care whether you are bored or entertained....they just want the problem solved.
if they are repeat offenders they will be caught...and it seems they aren't if it's consistently happening. Yes the point of this whole community is fun, but when others are tainting it, how is that fun?
And who the f**k are you?
An argument or discussion without any proper content is simply a waste of time.
If people that don't know how things function want to come about saying how things should be handled when they haven't a clue about the scripts and systems then they should think twice before trying to judge.
Every regular/veteran that break more than 3 rules will be banned.Which is fine, so start doing it. They can read, they should be able to understand the rules, if someone breaks the rules multiple times, then they are out. it's nice that they get a chance or two, as they may not understand the rules since they are in English, but after that problem has been addressed everything should be good. So I agree with what you just stated, it should just happen more often as it seems to be an issue still....or Cofiliano wouldn't have made this topic.
After all, they have no excuse.
Do your job, or step down from any position you have. Quite simple really.
Entertaining but no seeing as you have no idea what is going on within the server.
My "job" as you put it does not include listening to banter of those that haven't been around for months to know what's going on.
The "issue" that has been brought up is that people want to see others punished more instead of being guided more which would favour them.
If it's an old/experienced player breaking the rules then administration will deal with them accordingly by removing them from the server.
If it's an old/experienced player breaking the rules then administration will deal with them accordingly by removing them from the server.
The administration team has been told to only act on rulebreaking when it comes to server rules, exactly like any other player. If they are breaking SAPD rules and procedures (if they are now SAPD and not FBI), they should be reported to SAPD.
I have seen 2 examples in here, /su abuse and deathmatching.
When it comes to /su abuse, it can be several solutions depending on how someone is abused through /su.
Lets say i'm getting randomly suspected by a player for a crime i haven't done. The officer that suspected me is only trying to arrest me, then it's a SAPD matter. /su was used correctly from a administrative PoV (aka to suspect someone) but the regulations SAPD have for /su was broken which means no server rule was broken.
If i would be randomly suspected by a police officer for a crime i have not done and then instantly killed, then it would be considered deathmatching and it becomes an administrative matter since the police officer broke a server rule.
The same with just deathmatching in general. If a police officer is deathmatching a player then it's an administrative matter and should be handled by a staff member online. They should not be reported to SAPD in that case.
I will bring this up on our next staff meeting to make sure that everyone is up to date on this matter.
I've done what I can and other HQ members have done what they can to help multiple people and have been dealing with this but it's apparent that some people don't read as it's easier to repeat the supposed matter instead of hearing out solutions.
I have dedicated the last two+ years of my time to the SA:MP server and administration team doing all I could to favour the players, to do what I could to help out players and groups alike.
The hours upon hours of my time spent every week to keep things moving, to be there if players needed any kind of assistance with RS5 and the new scripts.
I have done what I can to bridge the gap between the HQ and players/groups by being responsive and active, I have done what I can to help get groups back on their feet once again within RS5 and to help new groups get started and in the right direction.
I somewhat doubt I am "closed minded" but if you feel that way, sure maybe I am when I grow tired of people saying things need to be done and HQ is ignoring them whilst the rest of the administration team and myself run around trying to come to a fair conclusion and solution to the matter.
As said multiple times, we do not ignore players asking for help or change however everything is to be discussed to ensure changes benefit administration and players alike to avoid issues and/or conflict.
Fair enough?
Not obligatory to help new players, but if you don't help, that removes your right to complain. Just /report and move on, don't complain.
C'mon Charlie, show me where the rule is "Officially" Stated?
Nothing has to be written nor being official. It's common sense, don't ask for what you don't give.
In real life people don't learn how to properly drive a vehicle by crashing into every pedestrian, lamp post, vehicle and house down the road, like new players seem to learn how being police officer works. They learn in a very secured and monitored environment with a guide next to them, and they must already have some experience and requisites beforehand (minimum age, documents, at least knowing how a vehicle works, etc.).Don't speak about real life. Humans don't suddenly pop out of an airport completely able to walk, speak, roleplay or cause mayhem, being able to buy guns. They start with being babies where they learn everything and grow up learning everything about the world. If that is how it would have all went, the situations would have been worse than it is in our SA:MP community.
That's the same as saying unless you help new player I don't give a shit about any problem you may have so you are making it obligatory. Anyways Devin basically summed it up and i'll leave it at that.Did you even read what I said? I said you do a /report and move on. Let US deal with it if you don't want to. But don't complain if you don't want to help.
C'mon Charlie, show me where the rule is "Officially" Stated?Well f**k my life, I can't find it!
Please keep up with the subject of the topic.[/b]
Personal arguments, debate about things not related, debate about new players, this and that, please put your ego and urge to answer someone's offtopic away, and keep it focused on the subject of the topic.
I will try and make a novel about all the rules that can be found out using common sense, brb.
There was never such rule.
According to common sense, a police officer is deemed to have a passport atleast or a driving license. So don't bring your "common" sense here unless you can make any sense. Good Luck on your book.
If done with it, contact me i will publish it .
Offopic:
I'll be completely honest and fair here, and gonna respond to a fellow brother of mine, Xander:
Bro you're having an argument and attacking on Devin, who's (with all tho respect to rest of HQ, specially scripters) the only motherf**ker who actually did something for the entire Community since rs5 was released, isn't side blinded, you can go to him with a problem he wont just ignore it, supported most of the groups today, developed lots of things, basically with the help of some few individuals including me who took initiative, we turned Argonath rs5 who had an average of 8 players, into a server with an average of at the moment 40-50 players and is rising everyday. and no matter what he writes here that you prejudge and misunderstood, he does not deserve those kind of talks by anyone.
In simple words, from all the people you could have choose to start this debate with, you picked the completely wrong person for it.
It wouldn't be fair from my side not to react on this, knowing all the facts.
Also let me remind everyone who wrote 4 pages of argument about offtopic stuff in less then a day:
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I urge the moderators of this board, to erase any future reply that doesn't stick to the subject( even if a fellow moderator does it, specially the tl;dr personal debates between few people, that are not defending any ground about the subject, yet just having a personal debate for a heck of it.
SUBJECT-STICK TO IT!
Yeah, since this was mentioned.
How about:
/groupTempBan and /groupBan ( /groupUnBan comes with it, though )
Could actually solve the copban problem SAPD has as well. :)
The actions of a player are their own responsibility, and theirs alone.
Banning whole groups at once will only lead to innocent players being caught in the fire; just because most members of a group take on a troublesome attitude, it does not follow that every single member of that group will be the same.
That's why members of a particular group that is no longer welcome in the community are advised to leave the group within a short time of the punishment being issued, after which bans are then (remotely) issued to individuals who choose to stay in that particular group.
I am not sure if he meant the whole group.That.
Criminals should get banned from cop duty.
They can get police ranks if they are willing to be legal and not to rulebreak.
Calm down, Cofiliano, we all suffer from that.
Actually not a bad idea.I would suggest only regular criminals or people part of a group which is known for committing crimes and has been caught operating in the said group
I am not sure if he meant the whole group.....or using a script similar to cop bans. My opinion is that no scripts should be needed, and instead let group leadership handle their members similar to how cops are handled with sapd. I agree with you regarding the whole group thing though, it's not really needed.
That.
Actually not a bad idea.
I would suggest only regular criminals or people part of a group which is known for committing crimes and has been caught operating in the said group
If someone must be (temporarily) removed from a group, why not just allow a group leader to do it remotely? Or are you talking about admins forcibly removing a player from a group? (something that is not our function, as we do not use our admin positions to decide who becomes a member of what player group)
paid IG money to get others beaten up in real life
(Some of them have paid IG money to get others beaten up in real life, deathmatched and so on).
Some of them have paid IG money to get others beaten up in real life, deathmatched and so on
(Some of them have paid IG money to get others beaten up in real life, deathmatched and so on).
(http://i.imgur.com/ej34WvV.jpg):rage:
That post was so gay, gave me aids.
Edit: Bad behaviour? wasn't serious.