Situation:In such a situation it is not DM. Wanted criminals have the right to shoot back as cops, and it is up to the cops to find a way against a group. However if the criminals get 'support' from non-wanted criminals that kill cops and become wanted, a DM situation does occur for those supporting. Reason is that while in a fight, cops have no time to suspect additional people for attack and can there for only fire at these people once they have killed a cop, as otherwise they will receive a warning and could be kicked by script. If there is a mix of wanted and non-wanted criminals firing, the only solution for cops is retreat and suspect the non-wanted criminals. The criminals can not call 'abuse' as they are assisting wanted criminals in that case.
There is a large group of criminals wanted, and for the sake of self-preservation they have come together.
The Police forces launch constant assaults and due to the fact the criminals are better equipped, positioned, and skilled, the cops keep dying. The criminals are basically not dying. No criminals intend to return after death, and since none die, none do.
Suddenly, one of the cops calls the whole situation "DM! DM!" (in a specific situation this is based on, this was actually an admin).
DM?
As you said, if you are wanted you can expect to be shot at, similarly if you are shooting at wanted guys you can expect to be shot at - I don't think it should be classed as DMing just because the cops can't win.
It seems that "omg, DMers!" is just a code-phrase for "We can't win through combat, lets get them kicked!".
I think this needs to be clearer, as its irritating when the cops have the nerve to complain when they are the ones attacking, and the criminals are just defending in a single place with good positions.
From the FBI discussion it is clear that many admins are uncertain currently about what actions to take in situations, and how to interpret the rules.Actually had this happened at the re-run of the Conferance, and they even tried /changename (no skin or number change), thankfully an alert admin was part of the external guard detail...
So here is the challenge. You give us a situation, and we will respond with the action we see suitable.
Example:
Situation metagaming.
Four people want to enter the FBI conference. The guard stops them with 'Corleones are not allowed'. They reply with 'How you know who we are ?' and '((do not metagame)).
Then they get in to a discussion on this.
Solution : Offer the thought that a guard at the FBI building would know the faces of one of the top 'business empires'.
Rules: this is a no-rule situation. We do not have rules that allow or disallow metagaming.
Situation : An individual commit a kidnapping. Law enforcement answers. They ask what he want. He say nothing. Negociator offer him money, lot of money, he remain polite and professional. He do all usual steps that could lead to a situation progression. The only answer from the kidnapper is to kill the hostage and go away like it was ok.You are right to question, but a kidnapper can choose to kill the hostage. It is what happens after that what matters.
My question : What he hell was that ? :trust:
The real question : Can this be considered as provoked dming or abuse with intent to dm ? Seriously if you take someone in hostage, you have a reason which is something else than to just kill him in front of law enforcement.
Is it only for situation that happaned, or also of what NOT happaned?Solution: We feel that RP does in no way connect to the nick you are using. The nick is for your friends to recognize you so that you do not have to announce your identity to them. there for a frequent /changename was never intended. the /changename tool was to let people easy join or leave a clan, or change their nick if they decide they no longer like it.
Situation: An boss of the maffia gets killed, should he changename to another RP?
situation: Many civilians starts protesting next to the LSPD at Commerce district. The Argonath Police Department goes on the scene, and asks to protestors to leave the road, and stop the illegal activities. Mean while as admin, i lock the event with announce : no more players allowed to join to "Protesting RP" . After that, all protestors got suspected for "disobeying police orders, illegal protesting" , then the Police assaults the mass with using only baton and all protestors killed or arrested. After all, some player tries to start again and get together the protestors. I as admin, warned them to do not start it over, becuase that role play is ended, this is RPG server not Protesting RP nor Civil war RP server. Those players whos refused to follow my order, was kicked. Then the server life went to normal bed.If you feel that any kind of spontaneous event will cause chaos or bad atmosphere, you have all rights to close it and warn those who keep continuing.
question: can i lock RP events/situation to dont join more players, so aviod the chaos and DM // same with Kidnapping RP, when more and more civils want to join as kidnapper when the police already blocked the area
Situation (Just happened) : Two guys want to rob a third guy. So they ask the guy : Pullover i want to talk. The guy run away and suddenly the cops shows up and suspect the two ''robbers''.In this case you might question the cops on how they understood they were robbers, and what was their reason to suspect.
Question : Was this abuse from police, abuse from the player, normal roleplay situation ?
Also, about the previous case : I think u were right, some events have to be controlled or they can run out of ... control... Example, a car show don't need to be controled to a maximum level because it only involve showing cars. A protest can easily turn to riot so it should be more restricted. We have seen several protests were civilans would come, protest, then some people come start fighting with the cops, come back, keep going and this last for an hour, kicks, warns and so on... So ''closing'' an event when it is the judged that the maximum ammount to keep a safe rp is attained seems to be the thing to do in my personnal opinion but Gandalf will give you the good answer.
Very common situation : Cars in a chase. Situation : Cop : This is your 5th car in this chase. Criminal : No this is my 3/4th car !If admin is not sure, spectate. Sometimes it will take 15-20 minutes of spectating a chase, but it is the only way.
Question : Any tip for knowning how many cars ? How should an admin react if the complaints keep going ? etc...
situation: a kidnapper hides with hostage in his own business, he can set the entrance fee as high as he want.. so when the police enters he will get lot of money.
question: Can the criminals hide in own business ?
+note: If not... the players can also abuse this if they go a friend's business.. and in the end they share money
My personal view is no as they are doing 2 things.
1. Hiding inside while criminal, if they lock police cannot do anything, and it become an admin matter to get the guy out
2. Abusing script, as the only way anyone can come in to try and resolve the crime is to pay them.
I would warn under this situation, if no reasponse kick.
Of course this will change once /sturm is fixed
situation: Many civilians starts protesting next to the LSPD at Commerce district. The Argonath Police Department goes on the scene, and asks to protestors to leave the road, and stop the illegal activities. Mean while as admin, i lock the event with announce : no more players allowed to join to "Protesting RP" . After that, all protestors got suspected for "disobeying police orders, illegal protesting" , then the Police assaults the mass with using only baton and all protestors killed or arrested. After all, some player tries to start again and get together the protestors. I as admin, warned them to do not start it over, becuase that role play is ended, this is RPG server not Protesting RP nor Civil war RP server. Those players whos refused to follow my order, was kicked. Then the server life went to normal bed.
question: can i lock RP events/situation to dont join more players, so aviod the chaos and DM // same with Kidnapping RP, when more and more civils want to join as kidnapper when the police already blocked the area
An maffia gang RP's that they blow up the FBI, they e-mailed the FBI director that they blowed it up, with the names of the witnesses and some screenshots. The FBI director ignores and continues with publishing it
Question: Is this allowed, does admin have an role in this. Or is this simple something what can be ignored?
Situation :See above reaction of Aragorn.
A cop gone undercover and went to a casino and when he discovered that they are drug dealers he took off his gun and arrested the dealers and cuffed Them and while they are doing /exit at the casino they get out and the criminals run ignoring that they are cuffed , then the officer goes on duty and Suspect the dealers (As they ran away in a non rping way) , and the criminals start flooding that coming on duty from under cover and suspecting the Target is not allowed , what is right to do in that situation ?
You mean the both sides thing ? when he poor rped it i left him and went away then he kept pming me "sorry for poor rp i am not in mood etc..." then he Came in front of me with drugs so i had to suspect him and he kept moaning about "going on duty and suspect is not allowed " .Any discussion or accusation of 'poor RP' can lead to kick or ban when you meet me. Similar with moaning.
You mean the both sides thing ? when he poor rped it i left him and went away then he kept pming me "sorry for poor rp i am not in mood etc..." then he Came in front of me with drugs so i had to suspect him and he kept moaning about "going on duty and suspect is not allowed ".
Situation:Rules for cops are not different then for other players. Swearing and flaming is allowed only limited to RP. Remember that in real life if you violate a suspects rights, he could go free of charges and all your work would be in vain. If it was a long chase and the suspect was taunting the cops 'Face the ground, bastard' would be acceptable though. Stronger words do not fit the vocabulary of the police. For this he has his nightstick.
The police chases a suspect who evaded for a long time any maybe murdered someone. They catch him and tell him to face the ground etc. Then they start shouting at him etc.
Question:
Are we allowed to say hard words like "Bastard" or "F**ker" , or we should stick to ", sir .. " ?
Example:
"Face the ground, bastard"
"Going on duty and suspect is not allowed "You still talking about another point , i left him and went on duty and he kept saying in pm "sorry for poor rping i am not in mood" and i think he felt bad About what he did so he came infront of me at GS9 and rped that he is using drugs and i was on duty at this time , he wanted me to suspect him and i Was on duty when he used the drugs .
And he is right...
Undercover cops are usually investigate the criminal groups to get the time of deals... When the time is clear there sent police forces to arrest the dealers... In your case you could get into casino as UC cop... When you saw - there is a drug deal you could request the support of police forces... Police arrives, blocks the doors, if needs - sturms the casino...
In your case they would really not understand that you were UC cop... What if you are not? Try to see from other side...
You are making a drug deal and Aragorn sees it... Aragorn goes out, driving to Police Department, getting cop's skin and weapons, suspects you... Can you guarantee the 100% it was not abuse and "poor rp" of Aragorn?
About "poor RP"...
Ask yourself when people are "poor RP-ing"...
1. When you think you RP better (your own opinion)
2. When they are new and learn in game (not enough knowledges)
3. When they have no mood on global rp and just came on server to relax with some friends (disturbed)
4. When they are doing admins work and do not want to take part in roleplay (forced)
5. When they have no enough time and hurry to do some their own deals on server (buying selling)
6. When they cannot roleplay without script (no imaginary)
In your case this guy apologized (reason: p.3)... If you would not let him go as you did, but start demand something, accusing him in poor RP and etc. the situation could be worst...
Example:Answer:
Jack attempts to rob Billy.
Billy's two friends come up and confront Jack, Jack already mad, one of Billy's friends call Jack a name, Jack aims his gun at one of his friends and kills him, because he insulted him. (He called him a B-itch)
Question: is that DM?
Forced RP is taking place a lot... FBI conference is the one of the examples... When on Roleplay event the group of players forced other roleplay event - hit... By which they actually ruined the previous event - conference...I agree with that but if you started to roleplay don't ruin it from the middle .
Forced roleplay can be taking a hostage who has his own roleplay storyline or involved in other events...
someone says can i test your pimped car? ok. he test it and never returns and the guy who pimped the car reports to adminsMy view: I would say it wasn't a good idea for that person to let someone test their ride... I mean you wouldn't do that in real life with a pimped car would you? You wouldn't just give them the keys and let them drive off with it ;)
What should admin do?
three admins see's an flame.All three actions are correct based on the level of the admin and the interpretation of the flame.
Admin 1 does an simple /warn
Admin 2 does /kick
Admin 3 /bans
Who is doing correct?
I see many admins who dont know what to do, and I see many discussions if it is /warn or /kick for an rulebreak.
In other words, when /warn, and when /kick an /ban.
someone says can i test your pimped car? ok. he test it and never returns and the guy who pimped the car reports to adminsIf the player who lost his car is the owner, he has the /heydude command to locate his car. Should the car still be driven, admins can ask the driver to return the car to the owner and use /ejectout (which is a warning) or /kick to remove the player, after which the owner can retrieve his car from the area (No teleporting allowed).
What should admin do?
All three actions are correct based on the level of the admin and the interpretation of the flame.So can admins actually give a straight ban against racism ?
For a 'small' flame, a /banana + /warn can be enough.
For strong or repeated flaming use /kick
For very strong flaming or racism /ban
So can admins actually give a straight ban against racism ?If they feel the racism is intended, yes.
Why is flaming IC not allowed? it should be roleplay like IRL people flame to each other like when carcrash etc.
Why is flaming IC not allowed? it should be roleplay like IRL people flame to each other like when carcrash etc.Our policy is that you should be aware of your language and what it means. Understand the words you use, and be ready to be answered on them.
My mate surrenders to police and gets in police car to go to PD.
Question - Can me and my other mates RP getting him out? Like we drive 2 cars, surround that cop car, get out and then aim at the cop to tell him to free our mate. Is this allowed? Also, if cop refuses to do so (which wud be non rp if u were being aimed by 4 people at once with heavy guns) and suspects us and starts shooting at us, will shooting him back (and freeing our friend anyway) be classified as DM?
You still talking about another point , i left him and went on duty and he kept saying in pm "sorry for poor rping i am not in mood" and i think he felt bad About what he did so he came infront of me at GS9 and rped that he is using drugs and i was on duty at this time , he wanted me to suspect him and i Was on duty when he used the drugs .
1. Your friends had a lot of good chances to help their friend to escape the police during all chases...
People surrender when "chase is over"... And does not suppose chases again... So once surrendered - jail...
2. Shooting back is not a DM as it is self defense - self defense is allowed...
3. If cop has a gun and sits in a car - he has all rights to refuse do anything in your case... As he can escape two cars (4 people)... Opposite - shooting the police car where sits your arrested friend - would be really non-rp in this situation... As you can damage your friend...
Now that's a lie, I never did that. :) I did feel bad about it though, but as Aragorn said, I came in just to meet friends and earn some money, I wasn't in a great mood.And did i force you to rp ? i left you when you escaped in the car ...
Yesterday I got hooked by FBI and they told me that I was involved in drugs, which I never was. Well kinda, I arranged a meeting but was never there, that's though a crime I know, but I wanted an answer for why and how? I asked an investigation, and he said OK, but first jail. Now what is this? Jail before investigation? I don't wanna be a moaner but to me that was a bit poor, and then when I came out they never did any investigation. Now, I wanna know, is this right?
Example : A suspect's motorbike has ran out of fuel. However, as he gets kicked out of the car, he gets back in, with the car being able to run for a few seconds before another kick. However he repeats this movement until he reaches the fuel station an /fillup and then starts running at full pace after that.On the contrary. IRL if your car is out of fuel you might call roadservice (which can take a loong time but is best RP), get fuel from the station (which is not scriptd at this time) or push his vehicle to the gas station (exactly....).
Question: We can argue that it is not RP that a person could travel in a fuel-less car. So is it allowed that a suspect can do this get in fueless car which can somehow run for another 3 seconds, then kicks him out again, then he gets back in for another 3 seconds, and then so on?
As you cooperated it was not against any rule.
Yesterday I got hooked by FBI and they told me that I was involved in drugs, which I never was. Well kinda, I arranged a meeting but was never there, that's though a crime I know, but I wanted an answer for why and how? I asked an investigation, and he said OK, but first jail. Now what is this? Jail before investigation? I don't wanna be a moaner but to me that was a bit poor, and then when I came out they never did any investigation. Now, I wanna know, is this right?
(Sorry for bump)Bump all you want..it should be kept alive.
Can a friend just jump in the chase with his car and start helping the suspect, or does the "helper" have to be where the crime for the first time started? I got froozen a few days ago when I came in with a car and helped my mate, but I was never there from the start.
And another one..Hmm... from ARPD point of view it is a clear rule not to allow civilians on top of their buildings. It could be snipers or terrorists. From admin point of view this is similar. A usual place of weapon hackers is on top of a Pershing Square building and shoot around. However it is not a server rule.
I was up on the LSPD roof and a few cops (including the Captain who froze me in my first question) came up and said "Please don't stand on state buildings, you can only be on your own propertys roofs." I after went away but still had a few question marks about this. I PMed the admin who also are an ARPD Captain and he told me it's one of those "unwritten rules". I got kinda.. Huh? How can the Civilians know about unwritten rules?
Is this right?
I'm a little picky and is a perfectionist and I hate when people says things I don't know about. ^^ Might sound moany but that's how I am.
An admin is just adminpatroling and spectating everyoneSome people seem to feel nervous when they get spectated. Too bad for them, admins have the right to spectate someone for as long as they like, and anyone who disagrees only seems to have a reason not wanting to be watched.
Question: when you are admin patroling, what are the steps to do at the person you are looking at?
I got an jetpack/heli and I know an glitch how to get in the blue hell. When the cops are behind me, I get in that blue hell
This is without /helpmeup, my question is, is this allowed?
Situation : There is a bank robbery in progress,i am a cop and i have no idea the robbery is going on. I walk to the bank to pay a loan. An unknown man outside the bank watches me as i go towards the door, and without any warning or threat or anything, he guns me down with an AK 47. I claim it is DM, the bank robber claims it was RP...
Is this RP or DM?
Situation: A kidnapper kidnaps someone, and barricades themself in an a interior where no guns are can be used. The hostage is badly injured so a punch can kill him. The police arrive and can't do an assault because guns aren't enabled in interiors. If they suspect him, he will just punch and kill the hostage. So there is nothing the police can do to save the hostage.
Is this against the rules and what to do in the situation?
three situations of kidnapping
If a kidnapper kidnaps someone with someone else, has the hostage under shot while the other talks to the cops, would it be ok for the cops to kill any of the suspects knowing that the hostage will die?
If the kidnappers fail to keep the hostage under shot, and the cops kill the suspects then, is it ok?
If the cops have no chance of getting the hostage out alive without paying the bribe, should the cops do the bribe and let them escape?
A man Rode a limo , which is not Own by him, waiting customer to call him. And to save fuel he step outside the car .And stand near from the limo . And then there is a player come here and take the limo and drove away..The limo did /p hey can u give me back the limo? and the MAn said : It is not owned by you. So it is not carjack
Queation:what can the limo driver do? and did it counte as carjack?
A Cop who has done his duty well has caught a suspect who is about surrendere. The Admins are busy spectating rulebreakers or there are no admins online or all are AFK. The Cop is about to bring the suspect to jail when an abuser freecop comes with a sawnoff and tries to kill the suspect for the money.
Is the Cop allowed to defend the suspect by killing the DMer freecop?
-This actually happened, and I ended up killing the abuser freecop.
a gang calls player A to help them with kiddnapping, when player A arrives and enters the van and they kiddnapp player A and drag him into a building(no interoir its near the SF driving school.) then cops arrive, a cop tries to trade himself for player A but when the cop arrives they also kiddnapp him, and they kill player A, then player A spawns at LS and goes to the PD to change to a cadet and rushes to the kiddnapping situation so is Player A allowed to do that?It depends on his intentions. If he wishes to continue the play by taking part as cop, then he is allowed to. If his intentions are to kill the person that killed him, this is revenge killing and is not allowed.
A cop pullover a person that was speeding in about , lets say 200km/h and reckless driving...
He is about to issue the person a ticket... The person says he doesnt want to rp and drive off...
Is the cop allowed to suspect him?
Is that allowed as soon as youre about to get fined you just say you dont want to rp?
A cop pullover a person that was speeding in about , lets say 200km/h and reckless driving...
He is about to issue the person a ticket... The person says he doesnt want to rp and drive off...
Is the cop allowed to suspect him?
Is that allowed as soon as youre about to get fined you just say you dont want to rp?
In that case surely criminals always reserve the right to rob someone, even if they do not wish to RP, and kill them if they refuse (exactly the same as above situation, just roles reversed :))Well spoken, I completely agree with you Panda.
Not many people decide to do this because most don't have the gut to.
Well its not a situation,just a question:
For example,SWAT uses /me grapples hook and when they exit heli,they tap TAB,to do it more like RP,like they are hanging with a rope on the ground.
Question:Can i also do,for example,when im standing on the LSPD roof,come near flag pole and do /me grabs flag pole,slides down on it,then jump near it and tap TAB?
Question No2:IN what kind of situations like theese you can use TAB?
Not to be sounding rude but I feel some of our situations have been neglected...
Situation: Someone advertises that they are selling a car ownership for $5000. A new player sees this advertisement and contacts the seller. They arrange to meet at a certain location and the money is transferred. After the money has been transferred, the buyer gets into the car and the seller leaves. The deal is done.
However, a minute later, the buyer contacts the seller and asks them why they do not have ownership. The seller reminds the buyer to use /buycar. The buyer then claims one or more of the following:
1. They need a license
2. They have not got enough money
With all of these they realise that they do not have ownership of the car...so they want their money back. The seller tells them that they do not want to refund them. The buyer then reports the player for scamming.
Does doing a transaction like this while the buyer has no knowledge of what needs to be done count as scamming new players?
What do the administrators do? Do they take action against the seller or do they just say that the seller had not intended to scam them? If action is needed, what is it?
Situation: Someone advertises that they are selling a car ownership for $5000. A new player sees this advertisement and contacts the seller. They arrange to meet at a certain location and the money is transferred. After the money has been transferred, the buyer gets into the car and the seller leaves. The deal is done.The seller should refund the buyer if he can not get a drivers license from admins.
However, a minute later, the buyer contacts the seller and asks them why they do not have ownership. The seller reminds the buyer to use /buycar. The buyer then claims one or more of the following:
1. They need a license
2. They have not got enough money
With all of these they realise that they do not have ownership of the car...so they want their money back. The seller tells them that they do not want to refund them. The buyer then reports the player for scamming.
Does doing a transaction like this while the buyer has no knowledge of what needs to be done count as scamming new players?
What do the administrators do? Do they take action against the seller or do they just say that the seller had not intended to scam them? If action is needed, what is it?
Example;
In a mafia situation.
- Mafia1
- Mafia2
A member in Mafia1 kills another member in Mafia2, can the remaining members in Mafia2 come back and shoot/torture and having them in a RP way, to take Mafia1 down? Obviously in a RP way.
Or will that be counted as gang war/revenge killing?
Situation: A wanted suspect flys off in a helicopter and stays in the air for a loong time. How are the police supposed to get him down??
Situation: A wanted suspect flys off in a helicopter and stays in the air for a loong time. How are the police supposed to get him down??
Situation: A wanted suspect flys off in a helicopter and stays in the air for a loong time. How are the police supposed to get him down??Ways to get down a heli:
Using /q to gain an advantage is strickly forbidden, even if you were unfairly disadvantagedEven if you got an car on you're head? it isn't something RP, it's made by an SA:MP bug.
A player spawns under a car and lose half of his hp until he doe /helpmeup is he allowed to do /q for get full hp?
A player spawns under a car and lose half of his hp until he doe /helpmeup is he allowed to do /q for get full hp?If you spawn under a car while entering server, you can go out and login again.
Ok so here we go.If you are a robber and rob a guy with better guns, chances are you die.
*player one sneaks up behind player two and Attempts to rob him in the most RP manner
*player two pulls out twin Sawn-Offs and shoot player one dead point blank.
*player one complains to admins that that was very un-rp while player two argues that it was super Rp
What happens?
If you are a robber and rob a guy with better guns, chances are you die.No, I mean Player two pulled out his guns while player one had a gun to his head and shot him un-RPly
Player two should hovewer not get unsuspectd for self defense. It does not matter if you kill a criminal, you still killed someone.
Can I use /ad to promote a gang? If yes - if i didnt know and report an admin who did it - Can he directly /warn me with; Read the rules, or should the Admin explain it by PM? Is that abuse or not abuse?It depends on the ad. Ads are not allowed for illegal things. There is no mafia that puts an ad in the newspaper or on TV.
- NitrOx
Today Deejay told me i am not allowed to have entrance fee of 1998. He says i am scamming new players. What fee is allowed then and how the heck am i supposed to know what is allowed and what not. I have always thought that i can have whatever fee i want since server has set the max fee of 2000. PLENTY of people have high entrance fee so am i supposed to report everyone who has high fee now? And instead of telling us to change fee coz its "scamming" how about just change max fee then?Any entrace fee up to 2000 is allowed, provided the new players can see the entrance fee. However you should remember that new player only get 10.000.
If my friend got a hit and gets killed by hitman and i see hitman kills my friend,Can i attack him to take my friends revenge? Or is it Revenge killing? And can admins Freeze players for Deathmatching in this situation? if not some admins should learn this
Example;
In a mafia situation.
- Mafia1
- Mafia2
A member in Mafia1 kills another member in Mafia2, can the remaining members in Mafia2 come back and shoot/torture and having them in a RP way, to take Mafia1 down? Obviously in a RP way.
Or will that be counted as gang war/revenge killing?
I do not understand till the end what means Gang War in a Roleplay way... :D However...
1. Depends on reason Mafia1 kills a member of Mafia2...
2. Depends on reaction of Mafia2... If they agreed it was not just pure deathmatch killing (attacking without a reason), they can organize the answer...
3. Depends on how was killed Mafia2 member... If suddenly and without warnings, then Mafia2 has problems in answer attack, as other Mafia1 members can have no clue about what happened and consider actions of Mafia2 as team deathmatch... In case Mafia2 was killed after warning, Mafia2 can also give a warning to Mafia1 before answer attack...
What can be suggested... There are two ways...
1. Mafia2 makes appointment to Mafia1 and at the meeting clear up the situation with killing member... At the meeting can happen everything - from paying compensation to Mafia2 to the fight between two Mafias...
2. Russian Mafia way: Mafia2 can make a meeting of all gangs leaders on server who have authority including the famous criminals who have some connections with the government (admins) and Mafia1 Leader as well... At the meeting they explain the situation and criminals "in Law" (authority criminals) can give the resume to the situation from mafia1 paying compensation to Mafia2 or Mafia2 has all rights to punish Mafia1...
In this case advantage is clearly: either both Mafias solve problem with money, or both Mafias go prepare to fight, which they can organize far from spawn positions...
Situation 1: Player X goes and attempts to RP knocking player Y out and then beating him. Then, player Y scrolls to an AK47 and starts shooting player X, ruining the whole RP instead of taking it along.I would punish for the third only - you may not return after dying as a criminal.
Question: Ruining RP via metagaming, powergame, non-rp and such is an existant admin-punishable offence?
Situation 2: Player 20 is a regular and is outfront LSPD. A new player comes and starts DM'ing or carjacking him. Player 20 uses /trip and /tickle on the new player to avoid it.
Question: If an administrator sees it, is he allowed to punish not just the new player but Player 20 also?
Situation 3: AAA and BBB are criminals and are escaping from police togheter. Then, the police kills AAA. Some minutes of pursuit and AAA comes back after getting killed by police and again starts aiding BBB in escaping from cops, and end getting suspected again. Like in a war of group VS police and the group members keep coming back to fight after getting shot down.
Question: Is that admin-punishable?
Metagaming.. powergaming.. eh.. all that crap is not Argonath and it not admin punishable. We're not Valmooseha ;).
Personally I would tell the regular in Situation 2 not to do that in future, but to be honest I would not punish for it severely in any way.
What do Developers say? :o
Situation 1: Player X goes and attempts to RP knocking player Y out and then beating him. Then, player Y scrolls to an AK47 and starts shooting player X, ruining the whole RP instead of taking it along.Metagaming and powergaming are not disallowed. Non-RP is often subject to the view of the player that 'lost'.
Question: Ruining RP via metagaming, powergame, non-rp and such is an existant admin-punishable offence?
Situation 2: Player 20 is a regular and is outfront LSPD. A new player comes and starts DM'ing or carjacking him. Player 20 uses /trip and /tickle on the new player to avoid it.Yes. In fact chances are the new player will not get punished as by the time the admin sees the action, he sees only the /trip and /tickle.
Question: If an administrator sees it, is he allowed to punish not just the new player but Player 20 also?
Situation 3: AAA and BBB are criminals and are escaping from police togheter. Then, the police kills AAA. Some minutes of pursuit and AAA comes back after getting killed by police and again starts aiding BBB in escaping from cops, and end getting suspected again. Like in a war of group VS police and the group members keep coming back to fight after getting shot down.Yes. Cops chases are meant to be fun. in an area as big as San Andreas two people helping each other can run almost forever.
Question: Is that admin-punishable?
Situation: A suspect escapes from police, he call friend/other mafias/gang to help him, the helpers got killed and not returning(as rules says) the suspect still is alive and keep call other friends and keep do soo on...Basicly yes. But it will require a lot of friends and good organization for him to keep coming up with new people.
Are he allowed to keep call backup forever from diffrent not random player..? or even random players?
Ways to get down a heli:This is about police.
1. Use another heli or plane to force them down.
2. Use weapons to shoot them down.
Police are allowed to ram to disable vehicles, civilians however should not be. (I have regulary been targeted when observing suspect helos even when I try to keep distance so suspets agree with ramming, its why I use a Nevada now when after suspects in the air!A player today kept arguing with me that Gandalf allowed him on MSN to ram helicopters with planes. Again it was mafia members ramming eachother in sky and one player reported the other one.
A player today kept arguing with me that Gandalf allowed him on MSN to ram helicopters with planes. Again it was mafia members ramming eachother in sky and one player reported the other one.The player in question posed it as being a hitman who was attempting to make a paid hit. The argumentation was similar, the only way to kill the target was by ramming.
I asked via PM the rammer to not ram in air with planes, he told me that he had permittion from this topic and from Gandalf on MSN, he even gave me Gandalf's MSN so I can ask...
Ramming is against server rules, but as soon as I know, it is allowed for cops to disable suspect's vehicles. I think air trasport should be no exception of this rule and again cops only should be able to ram out helicopters, since there is no other way you can take down suspect in helicopter (if he is flying high).
Situation:Player 2 should be ashamed for his stupidity in paying Player 1 for an unowned car.
Player1 finds an unowned car and think that he will be able to sell it and earn good money.
Player2 gets interested in the car and want to give a bid. Player2 ask Player1 if he owned this car before.
Player1 claims that he have owned it before. Player2 gets more interested and give a bid.
Player2 bid get accepted and Player2 ask Player1 where its spawn. Player1 say that he cant remember
becuse he have maked it spawn another place. Player2 go happy from the place with a new car
and Player1 go happy from the place with some easy earnd money.
My question: Can Player1 get banned for scam Player2 ?
We do not have rules that allow or disallow metagaming.
just something about powergaming/metagaming:People are not allowed to complain about poor RP.
a cop is chasing the suspect, who is hiding in a tunnel(for example the tunnel at the parking garage at east beach)
where normally nobody comes,
cop can use GPS to find the location(east beach, LS) but not exact location,
but is it allowed to look on map and all(powergaming/metagaming)
lots of players complain if you do us it(not me, but at others)
for example you know the others name by looking at the name above head, poor RP,
metagaming/powergaming, ppl complain about it,
its the same as looking on radar to find a suspect which is hiding,
is it not allowed? or is it just very poor RP of that cop?
:ps: i hope it isnt allowed, its really poor RP, if its allowed then its wrong
People are not allowed to complain about poor RP.Does that mena that admins can banana/warn an player for it?
Does that mena that admins can banana/warn an player for it?The quality of a player and how he plays is not included in the rules of the server.
Player 1 RPs a figth with Player 2It depends on the reason of fighting. These cases can be different for each situation so there is no correct answer.
Player 2: Fights back with player 2
Player 3: Joins the fight from somewhere unkown and is not related to the rp.... can an admin warn/kick him?
No, you don't ever have to pay the loan back.
Its just a discount on the price - assuming that you can only get the same price back when you sell.
When you buy your business, the loan is always 300k. You pay 300k less than the price.
When you sell it, you get 300k less than the price.
This happened to me several times.
Im a suspect, I just used all my ammonation and needs to get some fresh ammo from the store, I does /enter at the ammonation and quickly buys some ammonation, it takes max 10 seconds. But quickly Im getting told im not allowed to be inside the ammonation allthough its only 10 seconds to buy ammunation, I gets a warning from the admin and then discoussing it.
Has the admin right to warn me for entering the ammu, when I was there for max 10 seconds, its clearly Im not using the interior to hide from the cops ?.
Im a suspect, I just used all my ammonation and needs to get some fresh ammo from the store, I does /enter at the ammonation and quickly buys some ammonation, it takes max 10 seconds. But quickly Im getting told im not allowed to be inside the ammonation allthough its only 10 seconds to buy ammunation, I gets a warning from the admin and then discoussing it.
Report them to the email, thats abuse and they will be punished for it.
If it was sent from hotmail, then that won't work (for some reason).
But yea, only person who took a lot of time going through them was Elrond.
Until he's back, I'd agree that its fairly useless.
Probably wanna go for MSN then.
A Suspect is running, with cops chasing. He/she wants help and asks some friends on a phone/cbradio/PM. The friends, all being non-suspects, accepts and comes with weapons such as AK-47, Uzis and Sawnoffs. When they arrive at the chase, they immediately start shooting the cops without warning, and they kill them.It is allowed under the condition that the friends which are killed do not return to create a constant stream of new people aiding the suspect.
Some cops regard this as "DM" because the non-suspects just pop out of nowhere and shoot. Other cops even regard of it as unfair, as they are now forced to retreat, to suspect those friends otherwise they will be warned by the scripts for killing non-suspects. However, the "friends" say it's not illegal, because they are helping their friend and so they shoot. So the question is : Is it allowed for non-suspect friend to come help their suspected friend by shooting at the cops?
Situation:There is a difference. If a cop enters your garden or terrain for a reason he has all rights to do so. To enter your house there is a search warrant needed, unless criminal suspects are hiding there. Business can be entred by anyone at any time it open.
A cop steps on a property.
Does the owners have the right to shoot him? From what I've read - in USA, theres a law called Castle Doctrine which is where you can only shoot if they pose a threat.. does this apply here or is there another law?
I did send it for my mail @argonathrpg.com, as I know hotmail wont work.After Elrond Meriadoc has done some work, but lately it has been quiet.
Damn Panda you are complete right about that Elrond, he was the only one clearing the reports
Back on topic.
nice, so ive been sending all those complaints for nothing? cool. Ok, well tbh i never expected anything done even if they read them.You did not send them for nothing. All complaint are read and dealt with, even when not answered.
Let's say, that i own house on some gang territory.Yes. And you are free to pay them or take measures that you do not have to pay them.
When i want to visit my house, i go there. 8 times of 10 i see some gang members there. When i get there, gang members come to me and say that i need pay for living there. Are they allowed to ask money from me to live there?
Say someone gets pulled over by police. While the driver is out of the car near the police talking to them, a random person comes along and takes the car the driver had. Should an admin intervein with this situation? Or leave it soley to the cops. If the car does belong to the person? If it doenst? If the owner is near but not in the car?
Say someone gets pulled over by police. While the driver is out of the car near the police talking to them, a random person comes along and takes the car the driver had. Should an admin intervein with this situation? Or leave it soley to the cops. If the car does belong to the person? If it doenst? If the owner is near but not in the car?
Can an admin ban me for 2 hours if i pm him ''Hey'' ''Hello'' and ''Sup'' ?
What was the reason of the ban? if u not get a vailed ban reason or feel abused, i suggiest screenshots sended to complaint mail to the server ur playing on or time, date and future info about itm like admin and reason and stiutation around it..spamming admin pm :conf:
Situation:
An FBI Agent is standing on a pedestal, talking to someone. However, little does he know that there is someone aiming at him behind him. While he is still talking to the person on the ground, he gets shot in the back by a deagle without any warning. He then takes his uzis and fires at the attacker, but dies anyway. The attacker claims to be "An FBI Serial Killer who hates FBI".
Is the attacker's RP correct or is he a DMer?
Situation:
An FBI Agent is standing on a pedestal, talking to someone. However, little does he know that there is someone aiming at him behind him. While he is still talking to the person on the ground, he gets shot in the back by a deagle without any warning. He then takes his uzis and fires at the attacker, but dies anyway. The attacker claims to be "An FBI Serial Killer who hates FBI".
Is the attacker's RP correct or is he a DMer?
So it seems everyone are such super-man persons,and you too,I still remember,how during the chase you hotwired a CAR in 1 second !!! i must appreciate your professionalism.....
Your such a smart person man! Yeah, right..you get shot in the back by a Deagle and you still can take your TEC 9s and Circlekill him? Who are you Superman?
So it seems everyone are such super-man persons,and you too,I still remember,how during the chase you hotwired a CAR in 1 second !!! i must appreciate your professionalism.....
Situation:
An FBI Agent is standing on a pedestal, talking to someone. However, little does he know that there is someone aiming at him behind him. While he is still talking to the person on the ground, he gets shot in the back by a deagle without any warning. He then takes his uzis and fires at the attacker, but dies anyway. The attacker claims to be "An FBI Serial Killer who hates FBI".
Is the attacker's RP correct or is he a DMer?
Your such a smart person man! Yeah, right..you get shot in the back by a Deagle and you still can take your TEC 9s and Circlekill him? Who are you Superman?
Situation:No serial killer would attack a target in plain sight when talking to someone. If you want to play a serial killer, use proper play.
An FBI Agent is standing on a pedestal, talking to someone. However, little does he know that there is someone aiming at him behind him. While he is still talking to the person on the ground, he gets shot in the back by a deagle without any warning. He then takes his uzis and fires at the attacker, but dies anyway. The attacker claims to be "An FBI Serial Killer who hates FBI".
Is the attacker's RP correct or is he a DMer?
/ad was not made to ad illegal stuffs ... /ad is just like a publicity on radio. As soon as the meaning of your message will be to hide sell of illegal stuff, you will have to face punishment. This was discussed before.I would like Gandalf or Aragorn to reply if you don't mind.
When I did (( how do you know it's me )) he said that a military brand chopper that doesn't make any sound and is like 10km up in the air saw me.SOrry but, haha :rofl:, intresting reason...
When I did (( how do you know it's me )) he said that a military brand chopper that doesn't make any sound and is like 10km up in the air saw me.
A Suspect is running, with cops chasing. He/she wants help and asks some friends on a phone/cbradio/PM. The friends, all being non-suspects, accepts and comes with weapons such as AK-47, Uzis and Sawnoffs. When they arrive at the chase, they immediately start shooting the cops without warning, and they kill them.
Some cops regard this as "DM" because the non-suspects just pop out of nowhere and shoot. Other cops even regard of it as unfair, as they are now forced to retreat, to suspect those friends otherwise they will be warned by the scripts for killing non-suspects. However, the "friends" say it's not illegal, because they are helping their friend and so they shoot. So the question is : Is it allowed for non-suspect friend to come help their suspected friend by shooting at the cops?
This is more of a question as i want to clear something up.
Are players allowed to make illegal ingame adverts? Like selling weed, hitman etc..
If you reply that it is not allowed then it is allowed to make an illegal ad but change it in a way that doesn't look like an illegal advert and less conspicuous, so instead of:
/ad Selling weed, if you want some, come to Gas station 9
it would be
/ad Selling some of that wacky stuff
Or
/ad If you need a hitman to get someone killed, call me
it would be
/ad Want me to tie up your loose ends?
I would like a developer to answer this.
If not like RL use other means, like word of mouth etc... /l /s /sms /call
Some Situations :
1. A suspect decides unsuspects himself by spamming a random message in local which will kick him thanks to the anti-flood scripts. He comes back, unsuspected. Can he be resuspected automatically, because this spam local chat could've been done deliberately so he gets unsuspected and get away because he didn't /q, or must the usual procedure be followed (ie. must ask first)?
2. Is riding as suspect in passenger counts as a carcount?
This is more of a question as i want to clear something up./ad is for making advertising as you would do in a newspaper.
Are players allowed to make illegal ingame adverts? Like selling weed, hitman etc..
If you reply that it is not allowed then it is allowed to make an illegal ad but change it in a way that doesn't look like an illegal advert and less conspicuous, so instead of:
/ad Selling weed, if you want some, come to Gas station 9
it would be
/ad Selling some of that wacky stuff
Or
/ad If you need a hitman to get someone killed, call me
it would be
/ad Want me to tie up your loose ends?
I would like a developer to answer this.
Some Situations :
1. A suspect decides unsuspects himself by spamming a random message in local which will kick him thanks to the anti-flood scripts. He comes back, unsuspected. Can he be resuspected automatically, because this spam local chat could've been done deliberately so he gets unsuspected and get away because he didn't /q, or must the usual procedure be followed (ie. must ask first)?
2. Is riding as suspect in passenger counts as a carcount?
and @john
revengekill is more that you get killed and after that hunt the killer down,
what you did isnt revengekill but more self-defence since you and your mate get shot
and time doesnt matter i think,
if you couldnt kill him earlier, but needed to chase him for 5 mins first, then still not revengekill i believe,
since you werent killed, but your friend is,
personally i see revengekill: as taking revenge if YOU were killed, not when anyone else got killed
(if random dead guy it can be DM then of you)
Question: I would like to know what u own when u buy a buisniess or a house, How u know u just own the property and how do u know how much of the area/land around u own.When buying a business or house, only the groung that is clearly limited comes with it.
Exampel: Take Verdan Bluffs for exampel with Corleone Mansion. Do they own the hole hill or do they just own the House and garden and not the land around or parkinglot?
Same with Ocean Docks. Peopel "claimes" there gang/group own the hole docks cos they own a property there, in my view only the proeprty or the door and area inside since there can be several houses/buisness in same building....
Situation: I'm in a cheetah and speeding in Los Santos. I notice that a cop is after me and I escape and I'm not suspected. I escape from Los Santos to Las Venturas and change my car. 10 minutes later I'm driving (70-75 km/h) around in Los Santos and I get pulled over by the same cop that I escaped from and writes me a ticket for speeding.You could object and ask the cop to call a superior. Expect that it might cost you less money but a lot more time if you want to RP your way out of the ticket.
So, I changed my car (thus I changed my licence plate) and the cop couldn't have seen me as he was 20m behind me when I sped away. Is he allowed to pull me over and write me a ticket? When I did (( how do you know it's me )) he said that a military brand chopper that doesn't make any sound and is like 10km up in the air saw me.
Some Situations :1. If he is that desparate to be unsuspected, why resuspect him ? Use /report to notify admins, and if the same player uses it often he will be caught.
1. A suspect decides unsuspects himself by spamming a random message in local which will kick him thanks to the anti-flood scripts. He comes back, unsuspected. Can he be resuspected automatically, because this spam local chat could've been done deliberately so he gets unsuspected and get away because he didn't /q, or must the usual procedure be followed (ie. must ask first)?
2. Is riding as suspect in passenger counts as a carcount?
Me and my friend are hanging around on street. Some guy comes and kills my friend (it has been hit). However, i kill the guy who killed my friend. Is this revenge killing and should be punished? And if it is not, how does it differ from a situation when my mate has been killed and i then kill the killer in, for example, 5 minutes (got punished for last one)?There is a difference.
So how are people supposed to deal drugs/get odd-jobs?
PMing is not an option, because its OOC. Also, saying it in /l is not a very good idea because most people wont pass by you who are actually interested.
You could object and ask the cop to call a superior. Expect that it might cost you less money but a lot more time if you want to RP your way out of the ticket.
There is a difference.
If you are in a fight with a guy, your friend is killed but you kill the attacker, it is a normal fight.
When your friend is killed and you are killing the attacker 5 minutes later, it is impossible for admins to control your reason for killing. If people kill someone because 5 minutes, an hour or a ay earlier they killed a friend it will soon go out of control and in to constant killing wars.
Fine. Now is it something you revoke passport for?
There is a difference.
If you are in a fight with a guy, your friend is killed but you kill the attacker, it is a normal fight.
When your friend is killed and you are killing the attacker 5 minutes later, it is impossible for admins to control your reason for killing. If people kill someone because 5 minutes, an hour or a ay earlier they killed a friend it will soon go out of control and in to constant killing wars.
2. Is riding as suspect in passenger counts as a carcount?
2. Yes.
Thanks for ruining criminal chases.How is this ruining criminal chases ? A good driver will be able to outrun the cops for about 30 minutes with 5 cars.
No, really.
By the way, once my 5 cars are up, I'm still riding passenger whatever so...
And in new scripts this problem will be solved because you can get away from cops.
Today Deejay told me i am not allowed to have entrance fee of 1998. He says i am scamming new players. What fee is allowed then and how the heck am i supposed to know what is allowed and what not. I have always thought that i can have whatever fee i want since server has set the max fee of 2000. PLENTY of people have high entrance fee so am i supposed to report everyone who has high fee now? And instead of telling us to change fee coz its "scamming" how about just change max fee then?
This is fine as long as the name is NOT /enter which can scam new players who may not realise by typing that they are force to pay entry fee..
Greedy ammunation owners...set you name to something normal and your fee to 100!
Works for me...
People set entrance fees very high (sometimes, they even hide the entrance fee! how greedy!) then they trick new players or non-new players to enter their bizz. Seriously, its BS.
and carbon, restock costs half of profit. 2k fee and 1000 stock = 1000k restock.
restock is 20~ 35 % of property value
Rude part removed
David, i can't set fee to 100$, cause my restock costs 225,000$...
So i earn 100k and 125k i put from my own pocket to restock? :)
Btw, Carbon, make your hospital name smaller, entrance fee cannot be seen!Take screen shots and send them to admins?
Ontopic: What should player do, if no admins online and hacker just comes and DMs?
Take screen shots and send them to admins?
David, i can't set fee to 100$, cause my restock costs 225,000$...Your restock costs 50% of the money you earned from entrance fees.
So i earn 100k and 125k i put from my own pocket to restock? :)
I see absolutely nothing wrong with the previous situation, isn't that allowed?
Also, I have a question..
We always tell new players to read the rules - but I have never read a page containing any rules (:redface:) and I could never for the life of me find any. Where are they? D:
I see absolutely nothing wrong with the previous situation, isn't that allowed?
Also, I have a question..
We always tell new players to read the rules - but I have never read a page containing any rules (:redface:) and I could never for the life of me find any. Where are they? D:
Situation:
Suspect is escaping on jester and cop in heli following him.After a while of chase suspect jumps out of car and then cop jumps out of heli at same time and the heli lands on suspect. Suspect(An admin) abuses tab and runs to bike, soon as he gets on bike cop opens fire with his tec9's (Bought by himself) and then suspect dies on bike. Later admin asks who was in maverik in mainchat and cop answers he was. Cop gets kicked for helikilling even tought he jumped out of heli before heli even touched ground (Meaning that he wasnt in heli when it landed on admin).
Question: Did the admin have right to kick for helikilling if player wasnt in the heli and he didint get killed(That was cause he abused tab but still)?
Situation:
Suspect is escaping on jester and cop in heli following him.After a while of chase suspect jumps out of car and then cop jumps out of heli at same time and the heli lands on suspect. Suspect(An admin) abuses tab and runs to bike, soon as he gets on bike cop opens fire with his tec9's (Bought by himself) and then suspect dies on bike. Later admin asks who was in maverik in mainchat and cop answers he was. Cop gets kicked for helikilling even tought he jumped out of heli before heli even touched ground (Meaning that he wasnt in heli when it landed on admin).
Question: Did the admin have right to kick for helikilling if player wasnt in the heli and he didint get killed(That was cause he abused tab but still)?
this has just happened:The rule is that aiding by obstructing or shooting at cops as 'stranger' is not allowed.
a suspect was running away from cops, where another player helped him with a plane to get away together,
so the other player was aiding,
then an admin asks that player if he has been asked to help, it was no,
and then he had to land the plane and let the other guy go,
the admin said there is a rule about it, well its not listed though
so is it allowed to help someone without the fact he helped him?
personally i think yes,
a criminal doesnt got time to visit someones house and call a friend to help,
if you as civillian see him needing help you will just help in,
if you are friends of from same gang, without asking
so is the admin wrong here?(as i think) or is it really a rule, which isnt listed
this is also the first time i ever saw an admin do this,
while it happens on a daily base that someone helps while not asked,
and admins have seen it but didnt do anything
Situation:Attempted helikilling if witnessed by admins is punishable. If the admin did not notice the heli fell without someone in it, he is correct in his actions.
Suspect is escaping on jester and cop in heli following him.After a while of chase suspect jumps out of car and then cop jumps out of heli at same time and the heli lands on suspect. Suspect(An admin) abuses tab and runs to bike, soon as he gets on bike cop opens fire with his tec9's (Bought by himself) and then suspect dies on bike. Later admin asks who was in maverik in mainchat and cop answers he was. Cop gets kicked for helikilling even tought he jumped out of heli before heli even touched ground (Meaning that he wasnt in heli when it landed on admin).
Question: Did the admin have right to kick for helikilling if player wasnt in the heli and he didint get killed(That was cause he abused tab but still)?
The buddy can give information such as location of cops, or can DB.Yes, because technically it is revenge killing.
Situation:
A member of a Mafia is caught by two federal Agents. The Mafia's don then sets a hit on both Agents for catching his Member.
Sethit abuse or not?
Yes, because technically it is revenge killing.
If a suspect is in a car and he's buddy goes in the car too, is this aiding and allowed to suspect?
Yes, because technically it is revenge killing.Revenge killing is = If someone kills you, you go and kill him after you died or sethit on him after you are dead.
Revenge killing is = If someone kills you, you go and kill him after you died or sethit on him after you are dead.Exactly
Situation:
A member of a Mafia is caught by two federal Agents. The Mafia's don then sets a hit on both Agents for catching his Member.
Sethit abuse or not?
The topic is based on "Situations" and answers from DEVELOPERS...
The buddy can give information such as location of cops, or can DB.
Situation:
A member of a Mafia is caught by two federal Agents. The Mafia's don then sets a hit on both Agents for catching his Member.
Sethit abuse or not?
The topic is based on "Situations" and answers from DEVELOPERS...
If someone advertises the next: "Selling Elvis Powder and Tea Herbs || Ganton" and by "Elvis Powder" he means Cocaine and "Tea Herbs" is Weed, then it is punishable?
Search before you post.This is more of a question as i want to clear something up./ad is for making advertising as you would do in a newspaper.
Are players allowed to make illegal ingame adverts? Like selling weed, hitman etc..
If you reply that it is not allowed then it is allowed to make an illegal ad but change it in a way that doesn't look like an illegal advert and less conspicuous, so instead of:
/ad Selling weed, if you want some, come to Gas station 9
it would be
/ad Selling some of that wacky stuff
Or
/ad If you need a hitman to get someone killed, call me
it would be
/ad Want me to tie up your loose ends?
I would like a developer to answer this.
Basicly it would be ok to advertide the above things. But....... if cops react to an ad by suspecting the advertiser they are immediately accused of abusing.
In real life, if you advertise to be a hitman in the newspaper or on ebay, expect the cops at your door arresting you.
So to stop the moaning about abusing cops from people advertising illegal things, we have decided that /ad should be used only for legal things, and if someone tries to circumvent it by advertising 'grass' they also can be warned, as they would fight investigation by cops in to their 'grass'.
also can be warned, as they would fight investigation by cops in to their 'grass'.
I would like to remind you that the developers have stated on numerous occasions that although they allow it, they do not support the meta-gaming/OOC/IC distinctions and this is reflected in the server rules.
Situation:
You pick up your friend from lspd who is suspect and evading. You see him, tell him: Hey, Sup? , Get in .(( You dont metagame and you dont know that your friend is suspect )). You start driving away slowly and you get suspected for aiding. Police officer dosnt yell to stop or something.
Would ive been able to get unsuspected?
( Sorry for bad english )
The topic is based on "Situations" and answers from DEVELOPERS...
The buddy can give information such as location of cops, or can DB.
Situation:
A member of a Mafia is caught by two federal Agents. The Mafia's don then sets a hit on both Agents for catching his Member.
Sethit abuse or not?
:cop:
So you say players should just play and ignore others?
A criminal is driving down the road. He has almost escaped via the escape script.
There are no police vehicles on the ground chasing him, or anywhere nearby. There is a police helicopter some distance away, it has a distant visual, but is not on the map blip range. The criminal escapes via the script.
The cop then abuses by resuspecting the criminal even though they already escaped.
I'm not gonna name names, this isn't the place, but I've seen this cop do this a lot of times, and never any other police units abuse in such a way.
My question is, did they abuse?
And, Omri, please do not flood the chat (your friend too) with those advertisments ... do it once in a while, but not every 3-4-5 seconds, it's annoying and flood...
Is this a topic about my faults and what I am doing?No, but since the issue about annoying advertisments has been mentioned, I decided to advise you here aswell. ;)
/ad Araatus Corporation | Selling Quality Products | Call 7|0|0|6 Or 4|3|9|8 For Further Details About Products.
Is that allowed, even though most know that they're actually selling weapons and it's constantly being advertised...
Maybe its straight marketing and promoting your product, but Argonath's policy says that, provoking aint allowed and that ad is straight provoking for us Araatus Corporation.Where that is provoking? It's promoting advertisement as you say.
/ad Araatus Corporation | Selling Quality Products | Call 7|0|0|6 Or 4|3|9|8 For Further Details About Products.
Is that allowed, even though most know that they're actually selling weapons and it's constantly being advertised...
The topic is based on "Situations" and answers from DEVELOPERS...
Situation: Some advertiser did /ad "Selling quality weaponry at Willowfield Ammunation! "Cheaper and better than from Araatus"-Customer, contact blablabla
The guy from AR claimed it was provoking and insulting.
Question: Is it really? IMO IRL People always do such advertising and reclame and nothing is done about it. "It's just business"
Well this is a low punch, imagine a guy storming in Buger king and shouting: Sixtipple big mac with tripple cheese and 5 litters of coca-cola for 2.99! u cant get that S**t i burger king!But it's not against the rules, right?
Well that ad was just that a very very low punch, and in mine eyes Araatus have full rights to make a court case for public degradation and humiliation.
From cDa's reply, I'd say not - I think its a roleplay thing with courts and such ;).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL4_eO9Qma4
I thought Heroin always costed $1,500..
I LOVE ALL OF YOU
I LOVE ALL OF YOU
Spamming :trust:
The buddy can give information such as location of cops, or can DB.If he is informed by his member then it is allowed.
Situation:
A member of a Mafia is caught by two federal Agents. The Mafia's don then sets a hit on both Agents for catching his Member.
Sethit abuse or not?
If someone advertises the next: "Selling Elvis Powder and Tea Herbs || Ganton" and by "Elvis Powder" he means Cocaine and "Tea Herbs" is Weed, then it is punishable?No, however he should not complain if some cop is checking out his business.
Two suspects in a car - driver of car crashes, the cops get out the car and take advantage of driver's crash and kills the passenger.Excuse me officers please stop and wait while we drink coffee, will be back in an hour. :rofl:
Allowed to take advantage of the crash to kill suspect or not? in my opinion criminal should be able to get back in his car and continue it..
If your friend is at LSPD and suspected, he is either a mentally challenged person to do a crime there, or he is running after initially cooperating and breaking the rules.
Situation:
You pick up your friend from lspd who is suspect and evading. You see him, tell him: Hey, Sup? , Get in .(( You dont metagame and you dont know that your friend is suspect )). You start driving away slowly and you get suspected for aiding. Police officer dosnt yell to stop or something.
Would ive been able to get unsuspected?
( Sorry for bad english )
Situation: Player A places his car on auction. Player B buys the vehicle by bidding the buy-out price. A few days later, player B purchases a different vehicle. Player A complains because player B placed the buy-out bid, promising to buy the vehicle.Bids are final.
My question: Is this allowed; bidding the buy-out price, then withdrawing the bid after a few days?
A criminal is driving down the road. He has almost escaped via the escape script.Yes. The cops should be explained that there is an escape script and no more resuspecting is needed.
There are no police vehicles on the ground chasing him, or anywhere nearby. There is a police helicopter some distance away, it has a distant visual, but is not on the map blip range. The criminal escapes via the script.
The cop then abuses by resuspecting the criminal even though they already escaped.
I'm not gonna name names, this isn't the place, but I've seen this cop do this a lot of times, and never any other police units abuse in such a way.
My question is, did they abuse?
/ad Araatus Corporation | Selling Quality Water Guns | Call 7|0|0|6 Or 4|3|9|8 For Further Details About Products.anything you would advertise in the newspaper is allowed.
Is this ad considered as illegal and could be punished?
How does this admin knows that I am nor or selling water guns?, I thought that the fact Argonath did not force ANYONE to RP a special character, so I am not allowed too make these advertises?
Situation: Some advertiser did /ad "Selling quality weaponry at Willowfield Ammunation! "Cheaper and better than from Araatus"-Customer, contact blablablaIn different countries there are different codes about advertising. However I feel this is allowed.
The guy from AR claimed it was provoking and insulting.
Question: Is it really? IMO IRL People always do such advertising and reclame and nothing is done about it. "It's just business"
idk if this is the right spot to post but here is my questionAnything which is standard in SA:MP or single player can be used, except driver-drive-by shooting. Its obviously not very useful.
ok i recently saw a video with a argo player using auto aim on argonath
i was wondering if this is allowed or if it is not because it gives a unfair disadvantage to other players
here is the video i saw
Situation: Player A auctions his house. Player B places a bid on the forum. The auction date is there. Player A still owns the house and looks for Player B who is impossible to reach on msn/email and hasn't been on the server for 1,5 week. Is Player A allowed to sell his house to somebody else?If he has given player B a final notice then yes.
Situation: FBI are denieing people for the f**king sillyest reason's in the world. One of the main reasons is if you have been part of a gang/clan within so many months of applying or whatever.This topic is not to f**king complain on the policy of f**king leaders of f**king groups that you are f**king denied to join.
Question: Why the f**k is Fernando excluded from this rule...? He left FBI and started montana up after a week or two hes back in FBI by a click of his fingers.. I think this is disgusting. FBI need's sorting out, innocent people being denied for "Not following fernandos orders" when hes a f**king mafia boss when he feels like.
Why can't we 'save' tuned vehicles? It would be so much nicer :roll:.Because it's not possible with SAMP Possibilities.
Because it's not possible with SAMP Possibilities.
Why can't we 'save' tuned vehicles? It would be so much nicer :roll:.SA:MP still has the problem of non-scripted transfenders and pay'n sprays. To save tuned vehicles we would have to either be able to shut them down, or run something that detects what tune-ups were made.
SA:MP still has the problem of non-scripted transfenders and pay'n sprays. To save tuned vehicles we would have to either be able to shut them down, or run something that detects what tune-ups were made.
If SA:MP will follow MTA in disabling all automatic features scripting would be much easier.
Situation: A mafia (in RP terms) claims an area in a city, acting as if it was their sort of hood, and that they own it. They don't go around forcing people off of it but certain people they do mafia like things to. Someone on the police radio calls a code 30 to the area, where 2 FBI members respond to the call, but nothing is there (persay). The mafia members begin to gang up on the one FBI person, whom they dislike in RP terms and warn them to leave their "hood". From my viewpoint it's fine that the mafia acts like it's their "area" as long as they're not kicking random people away for no reason (like they said they weren't) but I'm unsure about the FBI members..
Question: Disregarding the code 30 (officer needs assistance), if FBI members were just hanging around the mafia's "area" should the particular FBI agent get picked on and eventually shot (because he wouldn't leave) and would it be classified as deathmatch?
Situation: Suspect who has been suspected for example "Evading" and in a chase. After like about 8 or 9 mins, this suspect gets his auto unsuspect which is 'escaped' But the cops still on him and never lost visual on him.
Question: Are we allowed to resuspect him for evading since we never lost visual on him?
"Visual" is not a very obvious thing to define.
If the suspect escaped, you've clearly been way too far away from him for too long. I wouldn't say "having visual the entire" chase would allow the suspect to escape as you describe.
Trust me, it does. Hank was chasing me once and I got unsuspected, then he resuspected me for "Evading"Hank is a pretty inactive cop, I'm not surprised if he doesn't know all the scripts yet..
Hank is a pretty inactive cop, I'm not surprised if he doesn't know all the scripts yet..
Trust me, it does. Hank was chasing me once and I got unsuspected, then he resuspected me for "Evading"
It's not true that if you escape, you're far away from the person. The clock only freezes while you're near the suspect.. So for example if they have 5 seconds remaining, and you're near them it'll freeze. If they get away from you for 5 seconds they're un suspected... Imo this shouldn't happen and it should have a larger diameter of to when you get un suspected.. :/
Situation: A mafia (in RP terms) claims an area in a city, acting as if it was their sort of hood, and that they own it. They don't go around forcing people off of it but certain people they do mafia like things to. Someone on the police radio calls a code 30 to the area, where 2 FBI members respond to the call, but nothing is there (persay). The mafia members begin to gang up on the one FBI person, whom they dislike in RP terms and warn them to leave their "hood". From my viewpoint it's fine that the mafia acts like it's their "area" as long as they're not kicking random people away for no reason (like they said they weren't) but I'm unsure about the FBI members..A mafia is there to protect their area from (other) criminal groups, not to keep out FBI or regular cops.
Question: Disregarding the code 30 (officer needs assistance), if FBI members were just hanging around the mafia's "area" should the particular FBI agent get picked on and eventually shot (because he wouldn't leave) and would it be classified as deathmatch?
Situation: Suspect who has been suspected for example "Evading" and in a chase. After like about 8 or 9 mins, this suspect gets his auto unsuspect which is 'escaped' But the cops still on him and never lost visual on him.Resuspecting is not allowed.
Question: Are we allowed to resuspect him for evading since we never lost visual on him?
A mafia is there to protect their area from (other) criminal groups, not to keep out FBI or regular cops.
If the FBI is threatenen to leave, he has every right to call in full enforcement (SWAT, FBI, ARPD) and arrest all those who were requiring him to leave the area for being part of a criminal group.
If the mafia members dare to call abuse on this, let them spend 5 minutes in Mordor.
is it possible to Own a whole area?If you buy a building or a set of buildings, the area that belongs to the buildings comes with it. However that does not include public roads, area outside a fence and parkings.
For example, a huge place with 4 buildings, you set one which the value is 5 mills or more, is that mean you own the whole place ?
Developer question (PLEASE ONLY FROM LVL 5+)
Can i, with agreement of admins, buy a piece of a land in Red/Flint/Bone County/Whetstone/Tierra Robada? For example, a part of a desert or a forest? With a payment fee, ofcourse.
Question:
is it allowed to talk about Paruni in /p ?
Actually you should not attract FBI attention, especially if you are a mafia guy... And especially if you know that FBI sent a spectating agent after your mafia... And instead of waving "get the f**k outta here you goat!" mafia men should keep silence and try to escape from watchers...
Question:
-How do you define the borders of a property? Does it depend on Value (I once owned the farm near blueberry for a price of less than 100k, and its the biggest farm in Argonath)? Daniel owns the Corleone Mansion but since it has no fence, does he own the rest of Verdant Bluffs as well? I have the same questions too for the following properties.
1. House at the gate of LS Graveyard
2. Farm west of Blueberry
Simple Question :Yes, as long as you do not start whining if the police or FBI suddenly shows a big interest in your business.
Is that Advertising allowed / is it illegal ad and bannable like my situation :
Selling Legal Medical Cuban Herbs , Only 29$ per Gram
Yes, as long as you do not start whining if the police or FBI suddenly shows a big interest in your business.
Situation: Suspect who has been suspected for example "Evading" and in a chase. After like about 8 or 9 mins, this suspect gets his auto unsuspect which is 'escaped' But the cops still on him and never lost visual on him.
Question: Are we allowed to resuspect him for evading since we never lost visual on him?
Resuspecting is not allowed.
If you feel the escape script is bugged or faulty, make a test and report the results as bug report.
Question 1: Are admins able to read private messages while they're in the game?
Question 3: Is it true extra objects like Mordor and Disney Land are the main cause for crashes?
Question 1: Are admins able to read private messages while they're in the game?
Question 2: Could you give us an estimate how much time the property lockdown will be? Like a couple of weeks/months? Anything?
Question 3: Is it true extra objects like Mordor and Disney Land are the main cause for crashes?
Thanks in advance for answering.
Example:People are starting to make up new petention rules like: If you see enemy you can straight away kill him(And the announcer is admin) and people belive him and later they will get punished for DMing.
Question: Is that fair? Since admin has given out wrong information.
Am I allowed to have my house interior changed? Fernando said no, due to the property lockdown.
It's not a visual thing, the script is based on distance between the suspect and all police units on the serverAnything that is not working as it is supposed to is a bug.
Yes, the suspect can escape while being chased closely by the police. It's how the script was written so I'll agree with Gandalf on this one apart from the bug report as it's not a bug. Instead, try posting a topic in the SA:MP Ideas section about how you believe it should be changed
Example:People are starting to make up new petention rules like: If you see enemy you can straight away kill him(And the announcer is admin) and people belive him and later they will get punished for DMing.The rules are not made by admins. If people make rules that are not agreed by the server leaders they might end up in exile, as already some have found out.
Question: Is that fair? Since admin has given out wrong information.
A suspect getting unsuspected while chased because SWAT is holding a desert survival training is a clear bug and not working as intended.
Question 1: Are admins able to read private messages while they're in the game?1. No, but a log check is very fast in case its needed.
Question 2: Could you give us an estimate how much time the property lockdown will be? Like a couple of weeks/months? Anything?
Question 3: Is it true extra objects like Mordor and Disney Land are the main cause for crashes?
Thanks in advance for answering.
Answers are to be given by the main developers.
- Hope that answers the question
Am I allowed to have my house interior changed? Fernando said no, due to the property lockdown.The lockdown is needed to evaluate all current properties, and to test them on the test server.
I was browsing the forums and I though about a situation that occurred a long time ago, and I am fairly sure that the situation is clear but I wanted to check to be sure.
Situation: (Real Situation)
A player goes to the billboard just in the upper garage entrance of LSPD and types "/me climbs the post" (presumably to the top) and uses /helpmeup a few times to get up.
Simple question, is this a valid use of the command?
Now, as far as I know and have gathered /helpmeup is strictly non-RP related, meaning this would NOT be allowed, but he maintained when prompted that as far as he knew, this situation would be allowed. It seems a little foolish to ask such a seemingly obvious question but I really thought about it and wanted to get some clarification. Please enlighten this topic when one of the developers has time, as it clearly isn't a matter of urgency.
:ps: Melvin, read the topic title. ;)
Not allowed.
/helpmeup is intended only for a bug where you land under objects, and not to get to points that are impossible to reach by normal play.
As far as I know, the lockdown covers interiors too. Sorry but you may have to wait a little while
Situation:
There is a large group of criminals wanted, and for the sake of self-preservation they have come together.
The Police forces launch constant assaults and due to the fact the criminals are better equipped, positioned, and skilled, the cops keep dying. The criminals are basically not dying. No criminals intend to return after death, and since none die, none do.
Suddenly, one of the cops calls the whole situation "DM! DM!" (in a specific situation this is based on, this was actually an admin).
DM?
As you said, if you are wanted you can expect to be shot at, similarly if you are shooting at wanted guys you can expect to be shot at - I don't think it should be classed as DMing just because the cops can't win.
It seems that "omg, DMers!" is just a code-phrase for "We can't win through combat, lets get them kicked!".
I think this needs to be clearer, as its irritating when the cops have the nerve to complain when they are the ones attacking, and the criminals are just defending in a single place with good positions.
I have a bunch of questions. . .Depends on the situation. If a suspect is on foot and followed by cops, he can choose to jump in and swim across a river.
Situation 1:
A suspect is running from the police, and goes into the water, not to get to a boat, but to just get away as a suspect would.
Question:
Allowed or not? I have been told different answers too many times, suspect is not diving, just swimming away.
An officer should not kill a suspect that shows no signs of agression. If a player chooses to do /hail or even stands still without weapons the officers should talk to him and request him to follow to jail.
Situation 2A:
A suspect is surrounded by the police and types /hail. He claims /gu says "Unknown Command", an officer checks and the suspect shoots and kills the officer.
Question:
Allowed or not? I assume that it isn't, but what should the killed officer do in the situation?
See the previous answer.
Situation 2B:
A suspect is surrounded by the police and types /hail. The officer stops to let them know the command is /gu, not /hail, and the suspect opens fire when the officer attempts to type (Which is seen when they lower their weapon).
Question:
Allowed or not? Again, I assume that it isn't, but that doesn't fit into a report, and the admin can't really do anything, because there isn't enough evidence to act on.
Only thing that can be done is reporting it as bug in the script.
Situation 3:
A suspect is followed into a house on foot, the officer calls backup and 3-6 officers surround the home, the suspect gets unsuspected via script, and walks out. He has the same clothing, and the officer never left the site. He also mentions something like "Haha, I escaped".
Question:
Can the officer resuspect the player? I THINK that you can't, but can you as the officer do anything? Is this probable cause to at least frisk the suspect?
Yes, if civilians disobey a direct order from the police they can be suspected.However police should not drag out the order too long, the civilians might be on their way to seek help after their trauma.
Situation 4:
Multiple suspects are followed to a location, and enter a building. The police surround the building, and prepare to make entry. The suspects exit, grab a car, and manage to get away, followed by police. However, some units remain on scene, to search the building, civilians exit the building and the police shout "Do NOT move!", the civilians either begin to casually walk away, or drive away, seemingly not to just get away from the police, even though the police continue to tell them not to move.
Question:
Can the police suspect these civilians for something like "Failure to Obey Order"?
As the police units would be close enough to get their own jetpack, no reason why not.
Situation 5:
A suspect is being chased by police, and heads to the military base. He/she enters the base, and manages to get a jetpack, and make it out. The suspect uses the jetpack to evade police, even though they continue to follow on foot.
Question:
Is this allowed, to use jetpacks in police chases? If someone is in an aircraft, it freezes the escape timer, but not in a jetpack, so would it be allowed?
It is corruption, and if someone manages to cath him on it (in RP not with other methods) he can be thrown out of the police force.
Situation 6:
A police unit is in a closed radio channel with his "friends" who are wanted by the police. He organizes the arrest of them, and even specifically mentions that he wanted the arrest to look legit, and jails them for the lowest time amount.
Question:
Is this allowed, or would just be corruption?
Situation 1A:A server rule since the days of MTA has been that suiciding in a chase to escape your wanted level is not allowed.
Suspect is escaping the police, jump into the water and dive deeper, few times he drowned (Suicide) and died.
Suspect claimed that it accident "It's too late to swim up"
Situation 1B:
Suspect just dive deeper, and deeper, no sign of he tries to get up and drowned.
Question:
Is the suspect allow to drown himself as suspect (Accident and Not)?
Is it punishable with the server rules (Accident and Not)?
SituationAs they give the driver time to react and drive off it is allowed. If they manage to type this in 1 second (keybinds) it counts as carjacking.
A player randomly walks up to a nearby car.
The player "/me breaks the car window"
And then /me pull the driver out of the car"
the player "/me steals the car"
Is this allowed ? i seen 2 players that had done this :trust:
Situation:If they are present when the cop start arresting / killing the suspect they can help. However that will make them wanted as well. If they turn up out of nowhere they should not interfere.
Player is with his criminal friends and then just shoots down a cop and claims hes helping his friends.(Police was/is shooting at his criminal friend)
Question:
Is "Helping friend" a reason to kill cop ?
Situation: Group1 is atacking Group2. They both have validations on. Group1 use the help of random people mostly RP clan members ( like AV,WS, Rstart etc ) on the atack on Group2. None of does people, are part of Group1 not even tagless, or do they have any reason to atack Group2 ( wich is clasified as Dmed, from there side).
Question: Can people who are not alieds or part of the Group1 and doesnt have any "personal" validations with Group2, anticipate in atack on Group2 ?
Situation: i was selling weapons to Joe Corleone and he paid me half b4 the deal and agreed to pay the other half of the cash after the deal but he and his friends killed me right after i sent him all the guns b4 i got the rest of the cash
Question: is it considered scamming to not pay for the guns you agreed to pay for even if you got killed?
You can see it as a robbery.. Dealing in the "underworld" is dangerous and you cannot know who you can trust or not.. There is no guarantes when you deal "illegal".. I would not concider it as DM if it's done the "right way".
You should bring your friends with you next time.
Situation: Group1 is atacking Group2. They both have validations on. Group1 use the help of random people mostly RP clan members ( like AV,WS, Rstart etc ) on the atack on Group2. None of does people, are part of Group1 not even tagless, or do they have any reason to atack Group2 ( wich is clasified as Dmed, from there side).Still need an answer on this, since its kinda urgent.
Question: Can people who are not alieds or part of the Group1 and doesnt have any "personal" validations with Group2, anticipate in atack on Group2 ?
Bizz ID's are not shown in gallery.
I meant the interiors, my bad.
I meant Bizz interiors also!Click on a picture and you'll see a description number. That's the interior ID.
I think this is acceptable since police officer attacked that suspect, which means suspect can attack him back. You can't expect letting him go.
- A suspect follows an officer as he retreats in a police cruiser. (Or other vehicle)
- A suspect moves towards a police position. (Such as an officer behind his police car down the road calling for backup)
- A suspect enters a police department with no intentions of surrender. (To taunt or kill police)
- A suspect follows an officer, shooting, as he flees on foot.
- A suspect approaches an officer who had not confronted him at all and opens fire.
- A suspect is on a building shooting police, even ones that are passing with no knowledge of the suspect.
- A suspect intentionally approaches a police officer with the intent to start a conflict. (He is already wanted)
- A civilian opens fire because of such reasons as "I am in a gang/mafia, I hate cops" at a traffic stop. (The officer has not made any moves such as drawing a weapon)
- A suspect drives by a police unit and the passenger opens fire. (Drive-by)
Situation: Group1 is atacking Group2. They both have validations on. Group1 use the help of random people mostly RP clan members ( like AV,WS, Rstart etc ) on the atack on Group2. None of does people, are part of Group1 not even tagless, or do they have any reason to atack Group2 ( wich is clasified as Dmed, from there side).Validation is for gang wars. In a group fight, they can be hired to help, this will be clear as they will be present at the location that is agreed to hold the fight. If they attack outside group fights (I mean like an attack by one or two players on another one) it is DM.
Question: Can people who are not alieds or part of the Group1 and doesnt have any "personal" validations with Group2, anticipate in atack on Group2 ?
Situation: i was selling weapons to Joe Corleone and he paid me half b4 the deal and agreed to pay the other half of the cash after the deal but he and his friends killed me right after i sent him all the guns b4 i got the rest of the cashIllegal deals are always risky. Have backup ready.
Question: is it considered scamming to not pay for the guns you agreed to pay for even if you got killed?
On Argonath you are supposed to do RP which means that you should follow the think patterns people will follow in life.I really can't give an exact situation, but I just want a direct clarification from a developer, noone else. I have been told, multiple times, different things. Sometimes, exact opposite things. I want to be able to know, for sure, how to react in a certain situation.
I want to start a driving school, so I have a few questions:1. Yes
1. Am I allowed to start one?
2. Will the players get a drivers license under /registration?
3. In the gallery it's not listed, so could you give me the driving school bizz interior ID's?
Thank you.
I got a question about a Driving School.1. Driving school can be helds as the school sees fit. However the Driving License Inspectors (admins) would have to approve of the quality.
As seen its allowed to make one.
1) If the driving school only has one lesson and one exam? Is that allowed? (Theory and exam)
2) If the driving school gets known, is it possible to get a script for the driving school? (ig)
3) Is it possible to get the topic sticked in Cityhall @ forums?
- Just a fast little question list i:
Question:
Does [RI], who owns the 24/7 at GS9, also own the area around it? I've seen various people saying both yes and no, but again, a clear rule/answer would be useful.
RI only owns that 24/7 at GS9! Gas Station itself is owned by Government.
But RI just wants to keep area around 24/7 clear also.
That would make sense....In my opinion, the GS also belongs to RI but yeah, the Devolopers knows best :]
See it as RP. Where would people pay when fueled their car up? Inside the 24/7...
Situation:Good RP would mean a player would hand over the drugs which were found.
Suspects who get successfully arrested, are found having drugs on them
Question:
Before today I was told they can be forced to hand over their drugs. Because they could store it in their homes, it's their own responsibility if they have in their pockets. But, today I heard they no longer have to hand over the drugs when arrested.
Is it possible to make a clear rule for it? Either: YES, they have to hand it over, or, NO, they can keep it.
It seems more then fair and normal that they have to hand it over.
There has been a note from the Presidents office regarding this.
Question:
Does [RI], who owns the 24/7 at GS9, also own the area around it? I've seen various people saying both yes and no, but again, a clear rule/answer would be useful.
Situation:
Officer is handling Criminal_GangA. Suddenly, Criminal_GangB arrives and blasts Officer from behind, without even a single word.
Situation:
Officer is handling Criminal_GangA. Suddenly, Criminal_GangB arrives and blasts Officer from behind, without even a single word.
Question:
Is that deathmatching?
If it's not deathmatching, because of some "gang alliance" allows that, the rules would seem inconsistent between servers.
Situation:If Criminal A is Criminal B's friend, he would sure want to help his friend. And about saying anything, when people have to shoot, they must shoot. Not talk.
Officer is handling Criminal_GangA. Suddenly, Criminal_GangB arrives and blasts Officer from behind, without even a single word.
Question:
Is that deathmatching?
If it's not deathmatching, because of some "gang alliance" allows that, the rules would seem inconsistent between servers.
Situation:If the gangB was not called before the fight in a way the cop could have understood and asked for backup, or if there is no fighting at all, this is considered DM.
Officer is handling Criminal_GangA. Suddenly, Criminal_GangB arrives and blasts Officer from behind, without even a single word.
Question:
Is that deathmatching?
If it's not deathmatching, because of some "gang alliance" allows that, the rules would seem inconsistent between servers.
Question about Gambling: Ok can some1 plz put in the current law about gambling? I heard that its only legal to gamble in casinos but what if your gambling in a hotel or in some1s house? Or on the street?Gambling is considered legal only in casino's as there are procedures that ensure you will not be victim of scam.
Gambling is considered legal only in casino's as there are procedures that ensure you will not be victim of scam.
If you wish to gamble, always use a neutral third person who holds the money while the game is on. This way you will know that the other player has the money to pay if he loses, and that he will not log off and/or run.
1. You're never forced to do it1. That sucks
2. even less now that /frisk is removed..
You can still RP searching, finding, and confiscated weed. However, sadly, majority of Criminals will not do it.Maybe forcing it will help.
Maybe forcing it will help.
I think that well, the /frisk command was usless, because the criminals were not forced to.
I say this from the view of the criminal, im one of the few criminals that thinks this quote: ''Cops have more advantages then criminals'' - Is BullSh(omg i got a star)t
hi, i want to ask. can i grow/deal weed on duty, and if so, how often?? also, can i kidnap someone as a cop?
... since we cops can detect if you have /gu'd or not.
Call an Admin. If no Admins are there to help you, you can ... yourself, and go to the nearest Cop. Just make sure you go to the first cop you run across since we cops can detect if you have /gu'd or not.
We can?
/cuff on a suspect who has not /gu'd, regardless of distance: "You may only cuff surrendered suspects."
/cuff on a /gu'd suspect, if he is too far: "You are too far away from the suspect."
/cuff isn't only used for cuffing, trust me.
Is that allowed: a cop who is off duty, he is even not undercover cop ,buys weed from you and then dont give money and escapes, then he says that he is not scamming ,beacause he is cop. Should this only be right for undercover cops. I think he keep that weed and sells it.Im not sure, but i think all cops should be allowed to bust you, from your drugs that is, but im not sure if he is allowed to sell it tough.
Officer_Frisker find Weed_Grower harvesting weed.Due to removal of a script that lead to multiple conflict situations the question is no longer needed.
He suspects him, then he frisks him, he finds nothing.
Officer_Frisker still has the rights to jail Weed_Grower (in my opinion)
After driving to LS Officer_Frisker pulls Weed_Grower out of the car and frisks him again, but finds nothing.
After arriving at the LSPD Officer_Frisker tells Weed_Grower to hand over his weed, even tough Officer_Frisker didnt find it.
After waiting Officer_Frisker frisks Weed_Grower again, but this time he finds his weed.
Question: Is Officer_Frisker allowed to frisk multiple times?
And if not, is Weed_Grower still forced to hand over his weed?
hi, i want to ask. can i grow/deal weed on duty, and if so, how often?? also, can i kidnap someone as a cop?As cop you should follow the procedures and actions of real life law officers.
Shouldn't you get a license to gamble in a Casino? Because you cannot gamble without a license to do so I think.No license to gambe are needed at this time.
If player1 throw's dice without a license, they can be arrested for gambling outside of a casino or without a license, and can be thrown in jail or fined?
I have a Question .. if I /gu and the cop doesn't want to cuff me , leaves me frozen. What should I do ? I know a bug to get you unfrozen , can I use it in those situations ?Call 911 to send an officer to you. If nobody replies, go to the nearest police station or cop.
Is that allowed: a cop who is off duty, he is even not undercover cop ,buys weed from you and then dont give money and escapes, then he says that he is not scamming ,beacause he is cop. Should this only be right for undercover cops. I think he keep that weed and sells it.If a cop is off-duty he is regarded as a civilian, as he is allowed to play a completely different character. If he is member of ARPD you might try to report him.
Situation: Mafia1_guy and mafia2_guy end up dead in a roleplay fairly. Later on, mafia1 and mafia2 pops up in a matter of seconds and opens direct fire without any single warning.
Question: Is that considered as deathmatching ? If no, how could the dead guy inform his mafia that he was killed by specific people, and they happend to know their locations and names..?
Call 911 to send an officer to you. If nobody replies, go to the nearest police station or cop.
Call 911 to send an officer to you. If nobody replies, go to the nearest police station or cop.
If you /gu, you get frozen.What did I say in my last post ;( ?
What did I say in my last post ;( ?
Example:
MrNeo got a car deal with MrNude.So MrNude pay 100k to MrNeo and MrNeo sell his car and gave it to MrNude.Then MrNude park his car infront of his house and get to his house to /store his new skin he bought. After that he went outside the house and see MrCop got into the car and saying that he found it first and has the right to buy it on cardealer.
Question : who has the right to buy the car?? MrNude or MrCop?
Situation: Mafia1_guy and mafia2_guy end up dead in a roleplay fairly. Later on, mafia1 and mafia2 pops up in a matter of seconds and opens direct fire without any single warning.A large armed conflict will have to have a valid reason, and should be solved without fighting if possible. If two mafias decide to meet over the death of their members, it should not be an instant shootout.
Question: Is that considered as deathmatching ? If no, how could the dead guy inform his mafia that he was killed by specific people, and they happend to know their locations and names..?
Situation: Player1 Is Driving normally in his vehicle, in a matter of seconds, Player2 Rams him to the hard-shoulder, Player1 then decides to swear at him, Player2 stops his car and walks to him then pulling him over and hospitalizing him.First of all remember that ramming can be caused by multiple reasons.
Question: Is that allowed even if its RP? Because in my eyes that is DM.
Situation: Random guy tryes to drive over me and my pals or do a drive by.
Can I or my pals throw him out of the car so he stops it?
You have two alternatives.
First one is to use the command ingame /report [ID] [REASON] and state that the invidual is trying to carkill you and your friends.
The second alternative is that if he repeats ram you (attack you), then you may defend yourself against him, either shoot at his car so it blew up or scare him of or you can drag him out the vehicle and beat him up to scare him of and show him your are not the right guy to mess with ;)
When you /gu you are frozen. I (ab)used the bug to get unfrozen , ran to the nearest cop( Nexxt) than got Chuck asked me if I script abused to get unfrozen, I said yes and got tempbannedIf an admin asks if you abused scripts and you answer with yes, what do you expect ? :lol:
Question - Are police officers disallowed to persuade an arrested suspect to cooperate with interrogation once this suspect denies so?Criminals have a choice to cooperate with interrogation, but they also have the (Miranda) right to keep silent and get jailed.
I have been accused of 'forcing RP' but what I think is - if people want to be criminals, they're agreeing with the consequences of that role, including being interrogated by cops. Of course there are exceptions, like if the criminal is an admin needing to respond to reports or is a player who has to go offline.
Example:If you are dumb enough not to do this at a car dealer where you can put the car to your name, its your loss.
MrNeo got a car deal with MrNude.So MrNude pay 100k to MrNeo and MrNeo sell his car and gave it to MrNude.Then MrNude park his car infront of his house and get to his house to /store his new skin he bought. After that he went outside the house and see MrCop got into the car and saying that he found it first and has the right to buy it on cardealer.
Question : who has the right to buy the car?? MrNude or MrCop?
wait wait wait,Carkilling is repeatedly using the car with the intention of killing the other player.
about the carkilling.
the situation:
I am suspect and police man is standing right before my car and trying to shoot me. And if I wanna to go forward and there is no time to back off, can I just go through him once so I could get away or it is still carkilling?
Carkilling is repeatedly using the car with the intention of killing the other player.
If you are wanted and try to get away by running over a cop that stands in front of your car, that is not carkilling. If once you run him over, you reverse to finish the job, then it is carkilling.
Does this mean I can use my police cruiser to stun suspects?If a suspect is running on foot while you are in a car, it is possible to place the car so that the suspect will either be hit or bump in to the car.
If a suspect is running on foot while you are in a car, it is possible to place the car so that the suspect will either be hit or bump in to the car.
As long as this does not kill the suspect, it is allowed. There for only to be used with suspects that have full health and are running.
Keep in mind that pressing F to eject someone is considered as ninja-jacking unless it's within a roleplay situation...
Why would you get that right? Of course you gotta ask them to surrenderFor the atleast the last year and a half the FBI seems to have got away with shooting suspects without asking surrender but you aren't that familiarised to the FBI or the older laws so it's unlikely you would have known.
Is the FBI allowed to shoot without asking to surrender (either with the /s1-2-3 commands or with a chat command)?
Is the FBI allowed to shoot without asking to surrender (either with the /s1-2-3 commands or with a chat command)?
Hello there, I got a complain about some admins (idk wheres the section for that)
Situation: I was playing in Argo, just logged in, and a player (Ericoo_Dawnson) send me an pm wanting from me to buy snipers from him. He said we meet at Queens, San Fierro. When i came with my limousine there, there were three of them pulling their snipers ''out of ass'' how someone would describe it, and i drove away. Then i reported for Dm, forcing to RP, Malcolm looked in my report and nothing. Then they came, destroyed my limo, but first carjacked me 5 times in order to kill me, so they killed me and i lost 80 of Ak-47. Then i said and reposted for everything in /report and said on /p, and got banned for 10 minutes from Frank Hawk. Please, the names of all of them will be posted soon, as two are known: Ericoo_Dawnson, and pepsicola, the third one is MariusG, surname dont known, most possibly Stracci.
the thing is, ingame people tell you to /report and nothing happens, and on the forums they tell you to email, and they dont reply either, these are just ways of getting something hidden, so no-one else know there is a problem
Situation 1:Illegal.
Player1 does '/ad Selling 20933 grams of weed!!!!!!, Contact Player1'
Would this be considered illegal or against the rules?
Go read forums - Allowed, /ad is just to highlight it.
Situation 2:
Player1 does /p Selling house at Marina contact for info, buyout 100k!
Player2 does /p [AD] Selling drugs at Verona, contact for info
And so on and so forth, is that allowed? Should Player1 & 2 need to use /ad for that and is it punishable by admins? If yes, are there circumstances where a player would be allowed to advertise they are selling something without admin punishment?
Don't go around these Forums spreading nonsense bullshit.
Admins are not required to explain to you [the reporter] the actions they take.
Is the FBI allowed to shoot without asking to surrender (either with the /s1-2-3 commands or with a chat command)?Not just the FBI, but any cop is allowed to shoot without asking when:
Because of the possibility to surf the car, shooting while surfing the car would allow for a mass-driveby and/or better aiming as a usual driveby. This goes beyond the limits of ths singple layer game, and can be used for DM.
I've seen the administration have a mixed response to the supposed 'No shooting whilst standing/surfing on a car' rule with some administrators temp-banning and some ignoring it. NitrOx said in August that you (Gandalf) notified him of this rule on MSN, however I am yet to find anything on the forums to suggest directly that you have approved this rule. Please confirm or deny this rumour - apologies if you have already posted about this and I have not found it.
the thing is, ingame people tell you to /report and nothing happens, and on the forums they tell you to email, and they dont reply either, these are just ways of getting something hidden, so no-one else know there is a problemFirst of all, while we have created a function for admins to let a player know they are handling a report, at times they are more busy checking the actual situation.
Hello there, I got a complain about some admins (idk wheres the section for that)Please always tell your own in-game name and the time qand date something happened, so that we can check the logs for the situation.
Situation: I was playing in Argo, just logged in, and a player (Ericoo_Dawnson) send me an pm wanting from me to buy snipers from him. He said we meet at Queens, San Fierro. When i came with my limousine there, there were three of them pulling their snipers ''out of ass'' how someone would describe it, and i drove away. Then i reported for Dm, forcing to RP, Malcolm looked in my report and nothing. Then they came, destroyed my limo, but first carjacked me 5 times in order to kill me, so they killed me and i lost 80 of Ak-47. Then i said and reposted for everything in /report and said on /p, and got banned for 10 minutes from Frank Hawk. Please, the names of all of them will be posted soon, as two are known: Ericoo_Dawnson, and pepsicola, the third one is MariusG, surname dont known, most possibly Stracci.
Situation 1:What about this? I am also wondering what the rules are in these situations.
Player1 does '/ad Selling 20933 grams of weed!!!!!!, Contact Player1'
Would this be considered illegal or against the rules?
Situation 2:
Player1 does /p Selling house at Marina contact for info, buyout 100k!
Player2 does /p [AD] Selling drugs at Verona, contact for info
And so on and so forth, is that allowed? Should Player1 & 2 need to use /ad for that and is it punishable by admins? If yes, are there circumstances where a player would be allowed to advertise they are selling something without admin punishment?
Post Merge: March 31, 2010, 02:01:07 am
Situation 3:
Player3 does '/ad GROUPXX is recruiting, check SA:MP groups for more information!!!'
Player4 does '/ad GROUPYY is recruiting, www.groupyy.smfforfree.com (http://www.groupyy.smfforfree.com) for info!!'
Are these types of adverts allowed? If so, the limits?
Situation: Cops shoot criminals. Criminals shoot cops. Cops get back some distance in hope they can snipe the criminals. Criminals come into closer range, as they do not have such long range weapons. Cops cry COPHUNT YOU DONT CAHSE COPS. Criminals kill, because one of their members already died from the sniper.I was in a hurry when asking this, so I know it looks like shit, therefore, I have revised it.
Question: Why cry COPHUNT when you KNOW you're going to shoot while you are retreating? Just DIE!
What about this? I am also wondering what the rules are in these situations.
Situation: A cop was chasing a suspect, but the cop disengaged the suspect and got his PD car, he's away from criminal, but the criminal decides to chase him down, it is cophunting?
Isn't it obvious enough? Of course it is. :roll:
Criminals looking for blue dots on radar = Cops looking for orange dots on radar.
A.K.A, cophunting.
Situation 1:This has been a long discussion inside the developers.
Player1 does '/ad Selling 20933 grams of weed!!!!!!, Contact Player1'
Would this be considered illegal or against the rules?
The /ad was created in order to give players a possibility to advertise.
Situation 2:
Player1 does /p Selling house at Marina contact for info, buyout 100k!
Player2 does /p [AD] Selling drugs at Verona, contact for info
And so on and so forth, is that allowed? Should Player1 & 2 need to use /ad for that and is it punishable by admins? If yes, are there circumstances where a player would be allowed to advertise they are selling something without admin punishment?
These ads are allowed, however only if the group of Player4 is dedicated to Argonath.
Player3 does '/ad GROUPXX is recruiting, check SA:MP groups for more information!!!'
Player4 does '/ad GROUPYY is recruiting, www.groupyy.smfforfree.com (http://www.groupyy.smfforfree.com) for info!!'
Are these types of adverts allowed? If so, the limits?
Situation: Cops shoot criminals. Criminals shoot cops. Cops get back some distance in hope they can snipe the criminals. Criminals come into closer range, as they do not have such long range weapons. Cops cry COPHUNT YOU DONT CAHSE COPS. Criminals kill, because one of their members already died from the sniper.As usual players take a term out of context hoping it will give them advantage.
Question: Why cry COPHUNT when you KNOW you're going to shoot while you are retreating? Just DIE!
A Group X got a firefight with cops. player A from group X havent shot any bullets yet, but he got suspected by Assaulting. player A got unsuspected And got pms from police that i he have to quit the firefight.Players are to act as people would do in such a situation. When people who are innocent and not planning to take part witness a firefight, they will hide and try to get away from the place.
What should player A do? He got suspected and unsuspected while he was typing and got messages to stay away from firefight. Can player A still be in the firefight?
QuestionThe last was Sarkozy.
What was your last UC name, Gandalf?
The last was Sarkozy.Who knows, maybe we will find it out :drunk:
The current is a different one. :razz:
The last was Sarkozy.what will the next one be? (A)
The current is a different one. :razz:
what will the next one be? (A)
As usual players take a term out of context hoping it will give them advantage.What if the cop runs away a lot more and does not try to shoot the criminals. The cops is on a good distance from the suspects and is calling backup on the radio because he knows he can't handle it on his own.
Cophunting: The actively searching of cops by a wanted or non-wanted player in order to kill them. This is forbidden, as it is a version of DM.
The above situation is not cophunt, however it will be watched by admins to check if the suspects are attempting to turn RP in to team-DM.
I was in a hurry when asking this, so I know it looks like shit, therefore, I have revised it.1. I already explained the difference between cophunt and team DM. If the lone cop has engaged the ciminals, killing him is not cophunting. However chasing a cop from SF to LS and then claiming such situation is not believable.
At times, criminals gather in a whole bunch...say 10 players. One of them is suspected after killing someone for a hit, then the others come and aid him, so they, of course, are suspected for aiding. A lone cop comes in and starts shooting immediately. When he realizes that he's outarmed and outnumbered, he runs. The criminals then regard him as, "another seagull." Then out of the blue, one of their members die at the hands of the lone cop, who just happen to be hiding behind a car and waiting to get a clear shot. The criminals then conclude that they are at risk if this continues, so they chase after the cop. The cop then runs like hell. It could end two ways:
1. The criminals stop chasing, turn back, and suddenly, the cop kills ANOTHER. Then the cop dies, because he's in clear range.
2. The criminals keep chasing, and when they finally kill the cop while he's on the run, the cop cries in the main chat:
COPHUNTERS
And out of the blue, in BIG TEXT in my FACE, I get something like:
Gvardia, stop cophunting
Questions:
1. Why cry COPHUNT when you KNOW you're going to shoot again, or just return after you heal?
2. Why would admins blatantly announce that without gathering the FACTS, or even use common sense? (this HAS happened MANY TIMES to MANY GROUPS)
3. Why do MANY of the administrators take the sides of the police group many times? (Not accusing ANYONE of being biased, just so you know)
Situation: Criminal runs to the nearest sport car and gets inside, cop jumps on top of the car.As this is (ab)using the carsurfing of SA:MP 0.3, it is not allowed, just as criminals are not allowed to stand on moving vehicles while shooting.
Is it allowed for the cop to shoot the criminal's car while on top of it?
Situation: A cop was chasing a suspect, but the cop disengaged the suspect and got his PD car, he's away from criminal, but the criminal decides to chase him down, it is cophunting?The situation is too limited. What would be the reason for the cop to disengage a chase ?
The situation is too limited. What would be the reason for the cop to disengage a chase ?
What if the cop runs away a lot more and does not try to shoot the criminals. The cops is on a good distance from the suspects and is calling backup on the radio because he knows he can't handle it on his own.Once a cop has engaged the ciminals with gunfire, he can expect the criminals to respond. There for it will depend entirely upon the situation.
Would it be cophunting when the criminals are following the cop and trying to kill him?
Car health? Fuel? Out of Ammu? or low health?I hope to see that in a next Hollywood movie.
I hope to see that in a next Hollywood movie.
During a shootout, with 5 criminals the lone hero shouts to them "STOP, I am out of ammo and need a medic", the gunfight stops and the criminals let him go.
What happens if your walking on the street, And a person comes to you with a gun and says "Give me all your money" ?You should consider the different options. If you are armed and have a chance to get out of it unhurt you might try, however it could cause to to become a murderer and having to do jail time.
Am i allowed to Take out a gun and shoot him ?
Situation:If it is confirmed to be a script bug it is allowed. It is not allowed to used it during the freeze time when entering/exiting buildings to let objects load or when an admin freezes a player.
Player1 is frozen due to a script bug, is he or she allowed to use /hail 1 or another animation to get out of the freeze?
Problem:As soon as Mr Ancelotti evades he has the possibility to be shot on sight by the police. Also he has the right to be jailed at once when reaching a PD alive.
Mr. Ancelotti is speeding, he gets pulled over and issued 3 citations...all for 250$. So he knows being jailed is in fact cheaper and has good roleplay with investigations. He then gets in his car and evades to nearest PD. He then /gu's and demands investigation and to be jailed. Now the Cop Who chased and suspected and gave citations is threatening to have an admin intervene. Mr. Ancelotti says he just wants to go to jail at the pd they are at, and have a investigation if required. Mr. Ancelotti contacts an admin who says...once a criminal is /gu he must listen to the Cop. So Mr. Ancelotti now must get in the cop car....and never get jailed....he is stuck /gu in the Mr. Cop's car driving around SA.
Is this allowed? Driving around SA stuck /gu.....with a cop who never intends to jail you?
Thanks for your time. <3 the cops ;)
Problem:
Mr. Ancelotti is speeding, he gets pulled over and issued 3 citations...all for 250$. So he knows being jailed is in fact cheaper and has good roleplay with investigations. He then gets in his car and evades to nearest PD. He then /gu's and demands investigation and to be jailed. Now the Cop Who chased and suspected and gave citations is threatening to have an admin intervene. Mr. Ancelotti says he just wants to go to jail at the pd they are at, and have a investigation if required. Mr. Ancelotti contacts an admin who says...once a criminal is /gu he must listen to the Cop. So Mr. Ancelotti now must get in the cop car....and never get jailed....he is stuck /gu in the Mr. Cop's car driving around SA.
Is this allowed? Driving around SA stuck /gu.....with a cop who never intends to jail you?
Thanks for your time. <3 the cops ;)
Situation (directed at xcasio)What I understand, the /ask is created to allow players to ask non-RP related questions to someone, causing the player that has been asked to receive a popup screen where the answer can be typed.
What is considered /ask abuse? From what I know it is a script that allows players to ask questions. If you ask something random, is it not allowed? Obviously if you flame in it etc. it can be considered abuse but it is making me quite pissed off that innocent players are being harassed because they use /ask for a question not related to being new on Argonath. If the /ask system was only for new players then there would be some kind of restriction..
What about asking questions like "How has your day been" or "Do you like xcasio" etc etc
If it is confirmed to be a script bug it is allowed. It is not allowed to used it during the freeze time when entering/exiting buildings to let objects load or when an admin freezes a player.
What if the freeze time never ends?I think it became a bug at that point.
What if the freeze time never ends?If you Have Exit'ed a house and are frozen after the "You may move now" you should be allowed to /hail
What about asking questions like "How has your day been" or "Do you like xcasio" etc etcThink carefully before you use /ask for this. If 20 plauers do the same, don't you think it becomes very annoying ?
Please define the term of revengekilling, and take a look at here. (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=53366.0)Revenge killing:
:roll: I remember when I was new here, I was dealing weed ( I didn't know about metaming..etc) when I saw cop blips on the mini-radar and tried to run away from it, an admin froze me and told me to not metagame, he thawed me when the cops surrounded me, now I've heard meta/powergaming, OOC/IC aren't recognized by leaders - Are admin allowed to enforced those rules when needed?
Situation:
Mafia member/normal player goes on freecop duty in order to just grow drugs, so they will not be suspected by the police. Regular police are forced to call in the big wigs (Lt+) in order to suspect the corrupt cop, who then dies, respawns, and starts again.
There's the example, I honestly don't know how to word a question into that.
As cop you should follow the procedures and actions of real life law officers.
That means that if you choose to play a corrupt or criminal cop, you can be suspended from service (copbanneD). This is valid for all.
Situation:You mixed up the servers you play. This isn't possible on Argonath. Bullets can't go through the cell slims, and damage the people who are jailed.
The PD has just /jail'd someone in the jail, the jailed person loses it's weapon.
Suddenly, people get into the PD, go downstairs to the cellblock and kill the ones who are inside the jail, who have no weapons to return fire or whatsoever.
Should this be considered an advantage and a rulebreak?
Situation:
Mafia member/normal player goes on freecop duty in order to just grow drugs, so they will not be suspected by the police. Regular police are forced to call in the big wigs (Lt+) in order to suspect the corrupt cop, who then dies, respawns, and starts again.
There's the example, I honestly don't know how to word a question into that.
Situation:Corruption?
Mafia member/normal player goes on freecop duty in order to just grow drugs, so they will not be suspected by the police. Regular police are forced to call in the big wigs (Lt+) in order to suspect the corrupt cop, who then dies, respawns, and starts again.
There's the example, I honestly don't know how to word a question into that.
Corruption?
As cop you should follow the procedures and actions of real life law officers.
That means that if you choose to play a corrupt or criminal cop, you can be suspended from service (copbanneD). This is valid for all.
Situation:I've heard Tommy say it's allowed whilst CBF mentioned that he takes to his Hydra in his situation. Nonetheless, I think heli-killing shouldn't be allowed at all by anyone to keep the rule easy to understand for new players.
Suspect has got a jetpack and is flying around the city, landing on rooftops and throwing it away(f). He shoots at us, and when we get close with our chopper, he takes the jetpack and takes off.
I've heard a manager or admin say that helikilling suspects with jetpacks is allowed, I need a clear answer on this from the ones who makes the rules.
I fail to see how the hydra is any less "questionable" than just helikilling the jetpacking dickhead. D::m4: :m4: =/= helikill ok ?
Anyone with a jetpack should just be available to be killed with anything.
Situation:While I doubt this siatuation can be done on Argonath server, to kill a jailed suspect is not allowed for various reasons.
The PD has just /jail'd someone in the jail, the jailed person loses it's weapon.
Suddenly, people get into the PD, go downstairs to the cellblock and kill the ones who are inside the jail, who have no weapons to return fire or whatsoever.
Should this be considered an advantage and a rulebreak?
Situation:For this situation goes the same as for chasing a suspect by car.
Suspect has got a jetpack and is flying around the city, landing on rooftops and throwing it away(f). He shoots at us, and when we get close with our chopper, he takes the jetpack and takes off.
I've heard a manager or admin say that helikilling suspects with jetpacks is allowed, I need a clear answer on this from the ones who makes the rules.
For this situation goes the same as for chasing a suspect by car.
You are allowed to damage the suspect, however not to kill him.
The last HP has to come from a gun. ;)
So am I allowed to helikill, yes/no?No.
Situation:No.
Criminals growing weed at Weedfield,and other criminal came and /harvestweed other one's weed.
i know its "Illegal" by Law,but Is this able to /report them?
Situation:
Criminals growing weed at Weedfield,and other criminal came and /harvestweed other one's weed.
i know its "Illegal" by Law,but Is this able to /report them?
Situation: Undercover cop is buying weed from dealer. Deal is made, money and drugs are handed over. Dealer is suspected and then killed by undercover cop or assault team.Rule on this is more then simple. We just had a court case with this situation, go check "SASD vs [TCL]Antonio_Gvardia", on closed court cases.
Question: Can we enforce the dealer to give back money, after he died? Is it an admin matter?
Situation: Undercover cop is buying weed from dealer. Deal is made, money and drugs are handed over. Dealer is suspected and then killed by undercover cop or assault team.It does not concern server rules, there for a Court case would be the best way to solve (see post of Cofiliano).
Question: Can we enforce the dealer to give back money, after he died? Is it an admin matter?
/call 911
If I got suspected while RPing and it belongs to it ( like shooting practice) and cop pops in and we shout him that it is RP and it belongs to it, can cop just come in, kill suspecteds and drive away with out listening?
If I got suspected while RPing and it belongs to it ( like shooting practice) and cop pops in and we shout him that it is RP and it belongs to it, can cop just come in, kill suspecteds and drive away with out listening?Argonath, get over it :p
If I got suspected while RPing and it belongs to it ( like shooting practice) and cop pops in and we shout him that it is RP and it belongs to it, can cop just come in, kill suspecteds and drive away with out listening?Without a cop being near, the only way you can become suspected during RP is by killing someone. Killing someone does mean that you become a target for any cop around, and that you will have to interact if a cop appears on the scene.
Situation: Undercover cop arranges a deal with a criminal to buy weapons. Criminal knows that the cop is undercover and tries to get the cop to come to a secluded location for the 'deal'. The cop backs out of the deal. Is the criminal allowed to kill the cop for attempting to f**k him over?Yes, however he should after that not be surprised if the police does not ask for surrender.
A kidnapper aims gun at a civilian trying to kidnap him by telling him like get in the car or hands up and the civilian responds with "I dont want to RP" or "Im not in the mood to RP" and other people on public chat just say you can't force RP.Before attempting a kidnapping scneario, you have to look al all the factors involved. Who are you kidnapping ?
Its clearly the guy refuses to rp to save his cash from being stolen or because he does not want to die or get hurt. My point is that if everyone does that you can't RP. A guy can refuse to RP being kidnapped but to RP that someone has to be kidnapped. If someone does not want to RP shouldn't he just leave the server until he is in the "mood"? Its a RP server after all.
Before attempting a kidnapping scneario, you have to look al all the factors involved. Who are you kidnapping ?
Why are you kidnapping that person ?
Who will pay the ransom ?
Where are you kidnapping the person ?
If you walk up to a random player in the middle of a busy area, you are not RPing a kidnapping, you are trying to either create a shootout or get easy money. There for expect players not to react friendly to it.
While people are on server to RP, and should basicly react to any situation, also remember that without creativity people get extrememly tired of constantly repeating the same things.
Yes, however he should after that not be surprised if the police does not ask for surrender.
But what should be the reacting of the "kidnapper" in that situation? Is he allowed to shoot his "hostage" to dead? Or is it DM then?Basicly if the kidnapper shoots he has a reason that the target did resist the attempt.
"You can not force RP", this is for kidnapers/robbers. Robber: HANDS UP! Civil: I don't wana RP , f**k off.see my above answer.
Cop: This is the LAW pull over to the side of the road.
*Cop has received a Personal Message from Civil saying : I don't wana RP, f**k off.
Cop suspects Civil for evading.
Sorry , What the Flying f**k ?
Cop: This is the LAW pull over to the side of the road.
*Cop has received a Personal Message from Civil saying : I don't wana RP, f**k off.
Cop suspects Civil for evading.
Sorry , What the Flying f**k ?
What about a routine pulling over of a car within the speedlimit?They do not initiate the situation of being wanted. The siatuation might be initiated by your respons though.
Why are they able to initiate that situation (of being wanted) without our consent and without any reason?
I didnt find appropriate topic for complain,so i put this question here.When you surrender cops have no rights to ask you to give or destroy your weapons.
Is in rules when i /gu,officer ask from me to send him all my weapons,and when i cant send cause he already have same,he ask from me to shoot all my 100+ bullets ? And i /gu just because i have to much weapon,and i ask him when he cuff me,does i loose weapons..
I didnt find appropriate topic for complain,so i put this question here.Alessandro please tell me the name of that police man here or on pm. I am more then interested.
Is in rules when i /gu,officer ask from me to send him all my weapons,and when i cant send cause he already have same,he ask from me to shoot all my 100+ bullets ? And i /gu just because i have to much weapon,and i ask him when he cuff me,does i loose weapons..
Situation:Healing in combat is a strictly unethical and abusive practice. It can cause a group warning, no matter in which way it is done.
A group hires a Paramedic to follow them in times of trouble, this medic provides medical support to wounded people.
Is it allowed to heal in combat? Since 1: Medics can get suspected, and then they cannot heal, 2: You need an Ambulance anyways, 3: I heard from diverse people it's script abuse, and other saying its just a crime, why make a medic job if you cannot use it properly?
-NitrOx
Situation;The correct thing to do is /report.
Someone makes an event, this can be DD, A/D or marathon. Then a guy camps or just starts shooting around randomly.
What happens;
People moan on /p(ublic) saying, "Blablahblahhblah DMED MEH AT THA EVENT BAN HIM PLOX!".
My answer;
Grow up, moaning and shouting won't bring you anything! Behaving like 6 year old kids started playing SA:MP after they play SP for 2 hours killing NPC peds and getting their money. Doing this may only bring you a warn/kick/temporary ban
I fill up request in ban unban and someone delete it ?! Where i can complain ?Unban requests are not deleted.
Healing in combat is a strictly unethical and abusive practice. It can cause a group warning, no matter in which way it is done.
People can heal themselves when not in combat situation, which makes the job of a medic perfectly useable.
...Like when they are taking a few steps back, using a ambulance and get back in combat within a few seconds. That is understandable....
...They are very low health and are going to a food store, with the cops only 10/20 meters after them...Is allowed I think, not sure about this one
Its deleted. I dont see it in either unban request/closed unban requests.Unban requests for tempbans are indeed removed, as they are unnecesary.
What is your definition of "combat situation" here? You mean that they can not heal when in a direct fight? Like when they are taking a few steps back, using a ambulance and get back in combat within a few seconds. That is understandable, but what if you run/drive after some criminals. They are very low health and are going to a food store, with the cops only 10/20 meters after them. Is that also seen as healing in combat?If you run after them you are in a chase, not in a combat.
Where then i can complain ? And can u please read my post (that one who someone delete.)complaints to [email protected]
Situation:If there is no police outside you can invite friends, however they will be treated as suspects and can not claim to be innocent. From the moment police is outside the door, friends are no longer allowed to break through the police lines and enter the house. This first because if the rule not to aid suspects by firing at the police, secondly to avoid people returning after death.
One or two suspects get suspected and they decide to hide in their house, they invite more people (non-suspected people) and they keep aim at the door waiting for cops to enter.
The cops are instantly killed once they enter.
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I was not sure if this was allowed or not. Both things I mean, the 'spawnkilling' and inviting other people to come fight with them.
If there is no police outside you can invite friends, however they will be treated as suspects and can not claim to be innocent. From the moment police is outside the door, friends are no longer allowed to break through the police lines and enter the house. This first because if the rule not to aid suspects by firing at the police, secondly to avoid people returning after death.Well, there is a particulair house which is most popular under the 'Rinnegatos'. They do invite people after the house has been barricaded. e.g driving an NRG to the door and /enter whilst still on the bike, making the police unable to suspect them.
As during the entrance people are frozen, it is not considered spawnkilling. Cops have the same possibility waiting for you outside as you have waiting inside.
However there are runours that cops can use heavy special grenades in case of groupd constantly camping suspected in their house. They are not buyable, but when deployed extremely powerful.
Situation - Jailing gang mates.If a player goes on duty ONLY to jail his gangmates its script abuse, and can be handled in different ways.
Today, I've seen a player getting warned for script abuse - Jailing gangmates for 15seconds and wondered, was it valid?
Let me get my facts straight, we're allowed to be corrupted cops? But we're not allowed to jail players with same tag for the time we want? There for, we're not allowed to be corrupts? Shouldn't he get copbanned instead of admin-warned?
Regards :)
Well, there is a particulair house which is most popular under the 'Rinnegatos'. They do invite people after the house has been barricaded. e.g driving an NRG to the door and /enter whilst still on the bike, making the police unable to suspect them.People entering the house after a police barricade has been put can lead to banning those who enter, and also to a group warning. Another possibility is to blow up all present in the house...
Spawnkilling is possible, the police could not enter without getting killed instantly, the only way to survive was /enter and within 3 seconds to /exit again. Making it hardly impossible to even load the interior. (NOTE: This has happend over 5 times, whilst I was online)
So, spawnkilling seems allowed?
And about the non-suspect within the house, they also keep their aim at the door shooting for cops. Whilst not suspected (yet!).
So, is spawnkilling allowed? Since it IS possible.
And for non-suspects to help their 'friends'?
Situtation: Me, got rammed and I reported him after some time I reported him again for flaming but nothing happended. He left and drove off, I walked to GS9 and saw him again and reported him once again for DMing, he killed me and I reported him twice again for DMing and admins should they the death messages.Give date and time, and we will check, including all of YOUR actions.
I've end up getting kicked for flooding
How is this fair?
If he got specated from the first report they will notice if they looked for 2 mins that he was a rulebreaker..
New rule.
You must be playing on argonath atleast, 3 months to create a group, players will get experience first for their group, the end.
New rule.That would disallow people who play elsewhere to bring their group on Argonath.
You must be playing on argonath atleast, 3 months to create a group, players will get experience first for their group, the end.
Situation:
One or two suspects get suspected and they decide to hide in their house, they invite more people (non-suspected people) and they keep aim at the door waiting for cops to enter.
The cops are instantly killed once they enter.
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I was not sure if this was allowed or not. Both things I mean, the 'spawnkilling' and inviting other people to come fight with them.
Sorry I just remember it was yesterday and the admin that kicked me was TheRock, so from his actions you can might find what happended in logs when you go though them if you do.
Edit: May 24, 2010, 08:13:48 I posted the first reply, and I did it after beeing kicked, so I would guess maybe it happended around 07:45 - 08:13.
Situation:This looks like extremely poor RP from the mafia guys, and is balancing on the edge of DM. Not having seen the full situation impossible to judge.
Traffic Stop. Police car (2 cops: 1) Moderator of the game | 2) Freecop). Mafia drives by, and sees their 'friend's car' and police that questioning him. Mafia car stops, people comes up to the cop, by starting a discussion about this 'pull over'. Cop (Moderator) says:
Go away from here, or you will get in a trouble (Seems like RP, huh ? )
Mafia: Yeah, sure we will. As soon as you let this car go, bum. (Attempts to RP with that cop)
Cop (freecop): ~ Continued asking the driver ~
Mafia: Yo, I don't understand. I said you two cops, get the hell out of here right now!
Mafia(2): I SAID GET IN YOUR POLICE CAR AND GET OUT, NOW!!
Mafia: ~ aims at the cop (noone shoots) ~
Cop: suspects Mafia member for aiming/disobeying
then COP STARTS SHOOTING (the moderator)
Criminal (Mafia member who was aiming) opened the fire back, rest of Mafia's in the car (3 people) started helping, killed both cops, got his friend out of cops, evaded.
Well now, in 8 minutes of evading police, the criminal who was aiming cop and saying 'get the hell out of this place while you're alive' gets tempbanned for 60 minuted by request of that cop (moderator) who said "Go away from here, or you will get in a trouble".
Later on in the game following comment: "I warned you to get out, that was the trouble"
temped criminal: " No, you did not warn, you said it in /l and we were roleplying, you opened fire FIRST"
mod: ~no further response ~
Question:
Was that the DeathMatching, like he said, if follow the story above ?
Part 1What can I say, I'm just paranoid and have good reasons for it.
You enter server and seem to be interested at once in the admins and their area. Usually that is behaviour of people who have something to hide, but lets skip that.
This looks like extremely poor RP from the mafia guys, and is balancing on the edge of DM. Not having seen the full situation impossible to judge.
Is that true that, if you own a house and it has fence around it, the exterior/ground belongs to you ?The interior only belongs to you, the outside is public!
The interior only belongs to you, the outside is public!
Is that true that, if you own a house and it has fence around it, the exterior/ground belongs to you ?When currently a house is set, any fenced or open area that clearly belongs to it will be included in the price calculation, meaning you do pay for it.
When currently a house is set, any fenced or open area that clearly belongs to it will be included in the price calculation, meaning you do pay for it.Why paying for something that doesn't belong to you then?
With regard to trespassing however, one has to take in consideration the function of the area. If you for instance would buy the R* Hotel, the parking could be included in the price. However it would not be possible to request visitors or cops to go out of the parking as it has a public function, and full laws are working there.
A cop shoots at two criminals, the criminals then fire at the cop as he is driving away, trying to blow his car up so they can escape. Subsequently, the criminals get kicked for cophunting. I was one of the criminals, so needless to say I came on and said that it wasn't cop hunting. The admin then warned me for "Drop it" and I said he was wrong, if a cop shoots at you, you can shoot him, and kill him to escape. The admin in question continously argued that once a cop has shoot, you cannot do anything to him at all if he tries to escape. I was tempbanned for 60 minutes after.Indeed, as stated before by Gandalf, you are the one who is right.
Who was right here? The admin, or me, the criminal?
A cop shoots at two criminals, the criminals then fire at the cop as he is driving away, trying to blow his car up so they can escape. Subsequently, the criminals get kicked for cophunting. I was one of the criminals, so needless to say I came on and said that it wasn't cop hunting. The admin then warned me for "Drop it" and I said he was wrong, if a cop shoots at you, you can shoot him, and kill him to escape. The admin in question continously argued that once a cop has shoot, you cannot do anything to him at all if he tries to escape. I was tempbanned for 60 minutes after.
Who was right here? The admin, or me, the criminal?
A cop shoots at two criminals, the criminals then fire at the cop as he is driving away, trying to blow his car up so they can escape. Subsequently, the criminals get kicked for cophunting. I was one of the criminals, so needless to say I came on and said that it wasn't cop hunting. The admin then warned me for "Drop it" and I said he was wrong, if a cop shoots at you, you can shoot him, and kill him to escape. The admin in question continously argued that once a cop has shoot, you cannot do anything to him at all if he tries to escape. I was tempbanned for 60 minutes after.The admin was incorrect in the initial punishment.
Who was right here? The admin, or me, the criminal?
Situation:If the player has just logged on and finds himself on a rooftop without a way to go down I personally would not object. However I would like to note that using /kill (if needed combined with F4) does not cost the player any money, and there for is the official way to get out of that situation.
A player logs off after a rooftop DD, on that same roof, because he did not have time to get to the bottom when he logged off. The next day, he logs on and the only viable option, since no one would pick him up, is to get off the roof by using TAB.
Or to make it simpler, "he spawned on top of a roof after he /q'd during/after an event and has to use TAB to get down".
Permissible or rulebreaking?
I dont know if this is right place, but I hopes so.There is no general rule on this. It is up to the organizer of the event to set rules.
I heard that CBFasi told that cops is not allowed in "killing" events when you going to kill someone
because they can use their free duty weapon to kill and civilians need to buy weapons.
But for example, in "Kill The Ghosts" events, xcasio allows cops to join.
So I just want an simple answer if cops is allowed in killing events
I am suspect & with about 7 other suspects.The idea of "no return" is that the RP situation ends when the suspects are jailed, killed or escaped. Regardless on how they act, as long as not all suspects have been jailed, killed or have escaped their suspect state there is no new RP.
I die, the others survive & remain suspects.
In their RP they were doing an offensive when I died. (Driving away from cops, attacking once their car exploded, etc)
10 mins later they begin a defensive phase - a whole new RP.
The no return rule is you can't return to a RP if you die while suspect.
In this situation, once they enter a defensive RP, can I return? It is a different RP, therefore, according to the general consensus about the rule, returning should be allowed.
:ps: Is Carsurfing then punching the roof of a car allowed, or is it in the same boat as shooting whilst carsurfing?
Situation:Why do you shoot a helicopter hovering above you or your friends then? :roll:
Doe is driving a helicopter to suspects A,b,c,d......p. He's alone, a cop, and armed with the basic duty weapons. His plan is to take advantage of the criminal's instinct to eliminate spectators in the area, who are more than likely to give away their position, AKA, he plans on hovering over the criminals, being shot at, and blowing up, allowing the helicopter to just fall down on the criminals, going BANGBOOM...
Situation: You loan out a big sum of money to a player, and he states that he is not going to return it on purpose.
Question: What will I do? Sue him? Report him for money scamming? DM him? Flame him? Cry? etc.
As long as you took screenshots and/or know the date and time, sue them! Whether or not he'd give it back willingly, there are ways to get your money back.
Rape Giac?
Moaning - A low, sustained, mournful cry, usually indicative of sorrow or pain.Yeah, thats why I am asking. I told a cop that his procedure was wrong (was actually an admin) and he warned me, or kicked me whatever, I forget, for moaning. thats not even moaning!
What you're talking about is complaining. Complaining is when you disagree with something because it doesn't suit.
I wouldn't say "Dude, ask /gu next time" is complaining, that's more a pointer about how not to be a shitty cop.
Situation:It depends on if he exits the helicopter to survive.
Doe is driving a helicopter to suspects A,b,c,d......p. He's alone, a cop, and armed with the basic duty weapons. His plan is to take advantage of the criminal's instinct to eliminate spectators in the area, who are more than likely to give away their position, AKA, he plans on hovering over the criminals, being shot at, and blowing up, allowing the helicopter to just fall down on the criminals, going BANGBOOM...
Questions:
1. Does this count as mass DM?
2. Who's really at fault here?
i am a suspect who is growing weed. The police kill me but have failed to collect my grown weed. I return to the spot to harvest my weed. The police kill me again. I return to the weedfield to growweed once again. This pattern repeats continuously until I leave the gameFor what reason the police suspect you ?
rulebreak or permissible?
Situation: You loan out a big sum of money to a player, and he states that he is not going to return it on purpose.First of all be careful who you loan money to.
Question: What will I do? Sue him? Report him for money scamming? DM him? Flame him? Cry? etc.
Another Question: All court cases have been locked, including mine regarding my previous question. What do I do? Wait? Flame Giac? Punch Giac? Hack Giac? Rape Giac? Kill Giac? Cry?Court cases were closed as many which were handled in the mean time were lost due to hacks.
This question is very important and I hope it is answered.It depends on many things like time of day, number of present admins and if they happen to be reading the chat. The first thing is that it is up to the players to watch their language and behaviour. If you never flame or complain, you will never be punished.
What is moaning considered as a rulebreak? Like when someone says ''ffs you f**king killed me i didnt even do anything'', is this moan? (in my opinion it is).
''dude ask /gu next time'' is this moan? (in my opinion it isn't.)
I ask this because admins seem to be having different opinions on what 'moan' / 'complaining' is, and I see someone punished by one admin for saying something, and another player saying it without being punished. It is very confusing and I do believe it leads to more moan, because if player A is NOT punished for saying ''dude dont kill me thats f**king stupid'' BUT Player B says ''dude dont kill me thats f**king stupid'' and is punished, Player B will most likely say ''BUT HE SAID THAT! THATS SO LAME ADMIN!'' leading to more troubles on things like this.
Why would you argue with an admin ?
Question 2: Player and admin begin arguing, admin offends the player in way of provoke / other rulebreak. Player talks back. The admin uses administrator powers to punish person for moaning.
Is this really fair? I mean just because the admin, is an admin, he can automatically win arguments because he is an admin, and can start them without losing because he just simply uses powers to stop the argument.
I myself and others have been victims to this kind of thing, and it especially happens when player asks something or questions the admin (not for admin work).
So, I ask again; is this fair? I think the admin should be punished too considering he also argued but punished the player for arguing.
Thanks, JamalJ._Gvardia
Yeah, thats why I am asking. I told a cop that his procedure was wrong (was actually an admin) and he warned me, or kicked me whatever, I forget, for moaning. thats not even moaning!Who are you to tell a cop his procedure is wrong, and what exactly was wrong with it ?
would you argue with an admin ?Yes.
Just to clarify, can you get banned for flaming a community member in a out-of-game chatting software, as for example, MSN? What if we swap "community member" for "admin"?It depends on what and how it happens.
Example:
Player1 flames Player2 on MSN, nothing happens cos thats not even related to Argonath...
Player1 flames Admin1 on MSN and gets banned.
Is that possible^?
Just curious :)
Would you rather that we stand by knowing people are flaming the admin team just because they feel their correct punishment was not correct ?Thank you for answering and I understand your point, but like said above, just curious :)
It depends on many things like time of day, number of present admins and if they happen to be reading the chat. The first thing is that it is up to the players to watch their language and behaviour. If you never flame or complain, you will never be punished.For the first part; I guess that makes sense, thanks for answering.
If the server is generally calm, you might get away with more. If an admin has just mentioned in public chat to stop moaning, your first remark could lead to punishment. It that fair ? It is just as fair as when two guys cross the red light and only one is stopped by cops. Fair or not, you made the mistake you got to pay for it.
Why would you argue with an admin ?
Who are you to tell a cop his procedure is wrong, and what exactly was wrong with it ?I am a knowledged player. I know that a cop is NOT supposed to use lethal force on an unarmed, non evading suspect. I know a cop should usually, if not always, ask for /gu or Surrender before even harming suspect. So I will remind this officer that he is supposed to do these things. Just because i am not a cop does not mean I do not have a right to correct him, right?
For the first part; I guess that makes sense, thanks for answering.It depends once again on what the topic is. If you are in a RP situation and you ask an admin a question, he should not bring the debate in to using his admin powers.
Second; I didn't mean argue, I mean just a debate over something, and sometimes even the admin starts it. Like Player says to admin 'Why did you do that?' Admin responds, in a provoking manner, player responds in a provoking manner, and player is punished. Its unfair because the admin also provoked.
I am a knowledged player. I know that a cop is NOT supposed to use lethal force on an unarmed, non evading suspect. I know a cop should usually, if not always, ask for /gu or Surrender before even harming suspect. So I will remind this officer that he is supposed to do these things. Just because i am not a cop does not mean I do not have a right to correct him, right?If the suspect is not showing weapons, evading or otherwise threatening, you are correct.
I told this cop to, specifically ''Dude remember /gu next time, dont have to open fire as soon as you see me'' and I was warned/kicked for moaning... I do not see the moan in giving advice to someone. Just my 2 cents.
Question: Is it allowed to use the Joypad control option and, or an Auto-aim MOD?
Ex: GTA San Andreas how to auto aim (PC) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfqjF9w9-rY&feature=related#)
It depends once again on what the topic is. If you are in a RP situation and you ask an admin a question, he should not bring the debate in to using his admin powers.Okay thank you. This is very important info and now that I know it things will be much easier to understand.
On the other hand admins do not have to explain their every action to every player who wishes to ask.
Asking them why they warned ot kicked someone could easily escalate, depending on the amount of time and patience the admin has. A standard reply from Aragorn would be: none of your business.
But how far you can go in aiding a suspect.. 5 friends should not come and start shooting at 5 cops who are surrendering their friend. That is just stupid. The friends, who are totally clear and crime free, are going to kill 4 cops to save one friend who almost has no chance to survive the situation anymore.Whats the problem with the criminal receiving backup? In the situation the officer should have called for backup or more than what they already was, if they could not handle it. You should always be ready for surprises.
How can a cuffed suspect use a cb radio ?headset lol, or an augmentation if he's playing a character from Deus Ex
Is it giving you an advantage? Yes.Not to be rude, but no one asked you. You're not a dev'.
Is it therefor allowed? No.
How can a cuffed suspect use a cb radio ?
headset lolAh of course! How could I be so naive
or an augmentation if he's playing a character from Deus Ex
Question: Is it allowed to use the Joypad control option and, or an Auto-aim MOD?I think it is, alot of players with no skill at all already use it ...
Ex: GTA San Andreas how to auto aim (PC) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfqjF9w9-rY&feature=related#)
I think it is, alot of players with no skill at all already use it ...
BUT it's only useful in single player , cause there is no lag. You can't hit a moving target with it on Argonath.
How can a cuffed suspect use a cb radio ?Nanocommunications.
Perhaps in the USA that is possibleYou're right, which shouldn't be the case, seeing as our country is actually a form of "mutated capitalism."
I have a question on how it works with the rule about not being allowed to shoot at cops to aid friends.He isn't a good guy if he's chased by cops :razz:
I would like a specific explenaition about that, before someone bans me.
Let's say I am player_1 and my friend, who I know for quite a long time on Argonath, Player_2 (good guy), is in trouble and he is chased by 2 cops. He asks me in /PM to help him, so I grab a car, go after him and catch up with him in my brand new pumped up shining, highly modified, $55,000 Green/Orange Elegy and start shooting at the cops with my Combat. Is this allowed?
When can I aid a friend, when he is in the same group as me? When I am standing next to him? When I am personally involved in the situation? Etc.
Cops are allowed to jump on a suspect's car and shoot.
Because of the possibility to surf the car, shooting while surfing the car would allow for a mass-driveby and/or better aiming as a usual driveby. This goes beyond the limits of ths singple layer game, and can be used for DM.
There for with the introduction of SA:MP 0.3 the shooting while surfing any vehicle is counted as DM.
Situation: Criminal runs to the nearest sport car and gets inside, cop jumps on top of the car.
Is it allowed for the cop to shoot the criminal's car while on top of it?
As this is (ab)using the carsurfing of SA:MP 0.3, it is not allowed, just as criminals are not allowed to stand on moving vehicles while shooting.
Ok so we do some shit and burn down a couple of state buildings. The FBI and SWAT come in all their cars and a couple of UC's in normal cars. We shoot a couple and kill them but we decide we have to run away. Someone sprints to the normal car and as it is unlocked we still it and drive away. However, this car belongs to an FBI agent. The agent then proceeds to log out and back in again so we, the criminals lose our car and are stuck in the middle of no where.
Is this allowed?
Ok so we do some shit and burn down a couple of state buildings. The FBI and SWAT come in all their cars and a couple of UC's in normal cars. We shoot a couple and kill them but we decide we have to run away. Someone sprints to the normal car and as it is unlocked we still it and drive away. However, this car belongs to an FBI agent. The agent then proceeds to log out and back in again so we, the criminals lose our car and are stuck in the middle of no where.
Is this allowed?
Question: Is money scamming against server rules? If yes, what punishment? Forced removal of the money, ban, etc?
I have a question on how it works with the rule about not being allowed to shoot at cops to aid friends.
I would like a specific explenaition about that, before someone bans me.
Let's say I am player_1 and my friend, who I know for quite a long time on Argonath, Player_2 (good guy), is in trouble and he is chased by 2 cops. He asks me in /PM to help him, so I grab a car, go after him and catch up with him in my brand new pumped up shining, highly modified, $55,000 Green/Orange Elegy and start shooting at the cops with my Combat. Is this allowed?
When can I aid a friend, when he is in the same group as me? When I am standing next to him? When I am personally involved in the situation? Etc.
Question: Is it allowed to use the Joypad control option and, or an Auto-aim MOD?
Ex: GTA San Andreas how to auto aim (PC) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfqjF9w9-rY&feature=related#)
Edit: I'd also like to add that that was EXTREMLY bad sportsmanship.
Is it allowed to STAND on top of a moving car driven by a criminal and attack it WITHOUT weapons (bashing it with your feet)?IIRC, that is allowed.
For those who will argue advantages and disadvantages, then remember that the criminal can shake the cop off the roof of his car.Incorrect, it is totally impossible to do that intentionally.
IIRC, that is allowed.
Seem to remember reading that in this topic.
Incorrect, it is totally impossible to do that intentionally.
Heck, if you do a barrel roll, they stay standing on the car.. :roll:
Possible. You have a 50-50 chance before the cop demolishes your car with a deagle.
Bold bit is not allowed. ^
Is it allowed to STAND on top of a moving car driven by a criminal and attack it WITHOUT weapons (bashing it with your feet)?
For those who will argue advantages and disadvantages, then remember that the criminal can shake the cop off the roof of his car.
Ok so we do some shit and burn down a couple of state buildings. The FBI and SWAT come in all their cars and a couple of UC's in normal cars. We shoot a couple and kill them but we decide we have to run away. Someone sprints to the normal car and as it is unlocked we still it and drive away. However, this car belongs to an FBI agent. The agent then proceeds to log out and back in again so we, the criminals lose our car and are stuck in the middle of no where.
Is this allowed?
May I also ask, what skill are you refering to? RP skill? Oh, wait, of course! Deathmatching and shooting skill which is actually not required on an RP server.
Why not? :)You'd be surprised that this happens more often. Hell, we've gone through a few wars without me even noticing it :lol:
I myself support roleplayers, if they have fighting skills and even train to have it more higher...
I only can agree, there is not any challenge from DMErs on SAMP "haha f**king roleplayers losers cannot fight pussies!" (on MTA:VC it was almost every week attempt) so usage of skills is more rare...
But I myself enjoyed the mafia war between Stracci and Marques... Both sides were very careful and smart not to disturb cops and especially admins... Perfect organized: no moaning on each other, and finished in a good time... With a very good fighting skills and team work...
Question: Is money scamming against server rules? If yes, what punishment? Forced removal of the money, ban, etc?
Depends...
1. Scam in casinos will lead to the punishment... If it is casino owner - he will lose casino and money he scammed... If it is a player - he will get another punishment and lose money he scammed... Both cases can also lead to the bans...
2. Scamming of the new players is not allowed... It leads straight to ban for using the lack of knowledges from the newbie and attempts on welcome money while player is trying to check the server...
3. Gambling on the streets - your own risk... If you will be scammed on the street money can be not returned and stay in scammer's pocket...
However scamming is not welcomed and will be anyways a sort of signal to admins to watch closer the scammer...
QUESTIONS:
1) Can I just, out of the blue, request a log check of this particular situation if I wanted to? Without a time frame or anything?
2) With permission, could any person who is not an admin have an under cover account, with the sole purpose of, for example, watching over members (like admins do sometimes) of a group, to make sure they're not acting goodie goodie two shoes in front of their authority?
I have a question on how it works with the rule about not being allowed to shoot at cops to aid friends.
I would like a specific explenaition about that, before someone bans me.
How to help?
In this case (if you want to shoot cops back) the main target is to get wanted level... Get him into your car and try to get rid of chase... Cops will suspect you for aiding, then aub, your dream became be a reality...
With wanted level you are allowed to help any sort of criminals with any sort of help...
Why is such rule actually?
Well, you see blue nick of cop, you know he can shoot you if you are criminal... So do cops when see a wanted level of your nick... Both sides are equal and do not confuse each other, less misunderstanding, less reports to admins...
It depends on the situation...What if the mafia members are present at the mafia HQ but aren't suspected?
1. If it is the mafia HQ and all mafia members are there, cops are trying to arrest one of them, of cos, nonsense if other mafia members will stand and watch it...
In this case members of mafia group will start to shoot back, trying to help the friend... It is ok...
What if the mafia members are present at the mafia HQ but aren't suspected?
Alright, another example I'm curious about.
Let's say you hang around with the people at Gas Station 9 alot, and sometimes, those people stand around others and thread them and make them leave, and mostly they get suspected, but let's say, they are in a shootout with cops, right in front of your nose and you didn't have to do anything with the crime itself, but you still want to help them, just because they are your friends. So you take our your shotgun and shoot at the cops.
Is this allowed? Because I also stand at GS9 sometimes and alot of time I want to help those people and aid them in a shootout, but I'm not always sure if it's allowed.
And trying to get a wanted level is hard in this case, because you can't drive away from the GS, get suspected by cops for ramming and return, seems a bit strange..
I answered on it in quoted post... The thing is - attack of mafia members at HQ is expectable and understandable...Okay, I was just verifying whether it's okay for mafia members to attack at a mafia HQ if they aren't already suspected. From my understanding it's acceptable. Thanks.
It depends on the situation...
1. If it is the mafia HQ and all mafia members are there, cops are trying to arrest one of them, of cos, nonsense if other mafia members will stand and watch it...
In this case members of mafia group will start to shoot back, trying to help the friend... It is ok...
Alright, another example I'm curious about.
Let's say you hang around with the people at Gas Station 9 alot, and sometimes, those people stand around others and thread them and make them leave, and mostly they get suspected, but let's say, they are in a shootout with cops, right in front of your nose and you didn't have to do anything with the crime itself, but you still want to help them, just because they are your friends. So you take our your shotgun and shoot at the cops.
Is this allowed? Because I also stand at GS9 sometimes and alot of time I want to help those people and aid them in a shootout, but I'm not always sure if it's allowed.
And trying to get a wanted level is hard in this case, because you can't drive away from the GS, get suspected by cops for ramming and return, seems a bit strange..
I would've ban all those at GS9 who ever tried to demand from people to leave the place, punching them for that or start a mass shootout with cops... Once I spectated the whole barricade from cars and shooting cops... They are lucky cops killed them faster then me checking out all IDs that were involved in attack on cops...
What is the difference between the mafia defending their HQ and street thugs defending GS9 which is in this case their HQ? ;)
What is the difference between the mafia defending their HQ and street thugs defending GS9 which is in this case their HQ? ;)
What is the difference between the mafia defending their HQ and street thugs defending GS9 which is in this case their HQ? ;)Let's say, Gvardia HQ is 1. far from crowds of new players and 2. concealed by a fence and a gate.
Grzesiek,lolwathithere
lolwathithereFor these reasons:
Also if there are so little cops, why won't you just hide and wait until you lose your wanted level? It's not like in MTA:VC where you're wanted for infinite time, unless you either die or get jailed.
Basicly - I got rammed by cops.
When I tried to say something about they don't using sirens, I got threated of getting banned.
Cops are supposed to be using PD cars... with sirens...
If they have an emergency, they put sirens on and we let them go through.
They were in Buffalos, going through everything... They even gone through my car.
My question: Is that allowed? ^
Regards.
And no, I am not a developer, but I'm just sharing my experience, since I've been in SRU and I know how it looks from their perspective.I wont even bother reading, sorry.
1. So if I make a group called 'SRU' (assuming there wasn't one already) i'm allowed to speed and break laws, including endangering citizens lives because I have to chase a criminal? 2. Any group is very likely to get insulted or provoked, because chances are groups don't always agree and there are many members in a group so they will eventually provoke at each other, we are ALL at same risk, no one is more special than another, whether in a group or not, so the elite-ist idea isn't fair. 3. So we can't defend ourselves even WARN someone who broke law/server rules because their a group who has had controvsery?
But about SRU..
SRU stands for ''Specialized Response Unit'' it means they react to situations fast and smooth, they can't be bothered to use Police cars because they simply do not meet their standards. And yes, ARPD members ARE allowed to use civillian vehicles.
The reason you got a warning for a ban, is because SRU is a group that is very likely to get insulted or provoked. And this does not meet the server rules (Respect ALL groups). The admins probably thought that you were angry at SRU, while you were just warning them. In this case you should just let it go and if you are angry, leave the server.
Question: What difference does it make if some random stranger jails me for 30 seconds, a rather short time and if a good friend and criminal group member with the same tag as me jails me for 30 seconds as I requested him to do?The difference is that by asking fellow mafia members to go on duty only for jailing:
Apparently, this is abuse of /jail to lose suspection. If it is, then every cop who has jailed a suspect should be banned for making suspects lose their suspection via jail, including myself, Gandalf, Grzesiek, Vince, Hank Rafferty, Matrixbob...I could keep going on.
Basicly - I got rammed by cops.You did not get rammed by them. You got hit by a car traveling at a faster speed.
When I tried to say something about they don't using sirens, I got threated of getting banned.
Cops are supposed to be using PD cars... with sirens...
If they have an emergency, they put sirens on and we let them go through.
They were in Buffalos, going through everything... They even gone through my car.
My question: Is that allowed? ^
Regards.
1. So if I make a group called 'SRU' (assuming there wasn't one already) i'm allowed to speed and break laws, including endangering citizens lives because I have to chase a criminal? 2. Any group is very likely to get insulted or provoked, because chances are groups don't always agree and there are many members in a group so they will eventually provoke at each other, we are ALL at same risk, no one is more special than another, whether in a group or not, so the elite-ist idea isn't fair. 3. So we can't defend ourselves even WARN someone who broke law/server rules because their a group who has had controvsery?1. Yes. Cops can break laws when chasing a criminal If they are not chasing, they are supposed to respect the law.
Yes these questions are to developers, based from what Dutchy said, if all of those are true, that just makes no sense, and I would like to see if Developers allow what Dutchy is saying.
You did not get rammed by them. You got hit by a car traveling at a faster speed.Not about the $100 - but it would be nice seeing cops, using cop cars. :D
Do not expect admins to wipe every nose, and if you are so greedy about $100, spend $1000 on filing a court case to try and get it back...
1. Yes. Cops can break laws when chasing a criminal If they are not chasing, they are supposed to respect the law.Thank you.
2. And in theory every group will be handles the same. It does not matter if someone says 'Gvardia are DMers' or 'SRU are DMers', both times punishment for flame and group provoking can be given.
3. You can, but only in case it is justified, else it will turn on you.
Not about the $100 - but it would be nice seeing cops, using cop cars. :D
But apparently, they do not have to :D
Buffalos are government issued.Indeed, there are quite a few of them sitting at LVPD.
Cops are supposed to be using PD cars... with sirens...
If they have an emergency, they put sirens on and we let them go through.
Am sorry to say but your just an hyporcite and alot of people are the same...Do you realy want me to belive that if i was in PD car with sirens blazing you will pull over and let me go?? i mean seriously real talks man...no one does this, everyone will speed away and try to pit that cop and when suspected for "reckless driving" they moan on main chat.
A simple question,
Criminals are not allowed to hunt cops, but if a cop insists in a chase or starts to shoot criminals,
the criminals can shoot down the cop(s) but if theyr running, for how long can criminals chase them?
Once a cop has engaged the ciminals with gunfire, he can expect the criminals to respond. There for it will depend entirely upon the situation.
As Rusty mentioned above, a cop withdrawing one street can not expect not to be followed, as the criminals have a better chance of escaping if they kill him.
However if the cop is chased all the way down to LSPD, this is not allowed.
Question
I know this has been stated somewhere but I wanted to get complete and utter clarification on this matter. Cops in presuit of a criminal on foot. Now is or is not the Police officer allowed to position his vehicle with the criminal in front of it and gently nudge the criminal so he falls on the ground. Not plow the vehicle over him. Taking the Ram Bar of the police car and nudging it into the criminal once to disable him. I have heard other things from other people and after so long I figured it was time to get clarification.
Signed,
SAPD Sergeant James Bowling
If a suspect is running on foot while you are in a car, it is possible to place the car so that the suspect will either be hit or bump in to the car.
As long as this does not kill the suspect, it is allowed. There for only to be used with suspects that have full health and are running.
Situation: Cop encounters suspected group and starts to shoot them. criminals shoots back.( rly? omg) After that, cop flees but returns with sniper rifle and start pound criminals from 1000km away.Criminals are allowed to find the location of attack and try to stop it. However remember the first thing a criminal should think of is escaping his wanted status, so I find it interesting why you give the cop time to get sniper and return...
Can criminals chase that sniper cop down to save their butts from sniper bullets??? Or do criminals have to take cover and just throw rocks at him/pick their noses if they dont have any sniper rifles/rocks?
Question
I know this has been stated somewhere but I wanted to get complete and utter clarification on this matter. Cops in presuit of a criminal on foot. Now is or is not the Police officer allowed to position his vehicle with the criminal in front of it and gently nudge the criminal so he falls on the ground. Not plow the vehicle over him. Taking the Ram Bar of the police car and nudging it into the criminal once to disable him. I have heard other things from other people and after so long I figured it was time to get clarification.
Signed,
SAPD Sergeant James Bowling
Bob is an FBI agent with intentions to go under cover with a new account to prevent /whenmade or whatever to find him out. Bob goes to Gandalf saying "can has uc acc?"
Question: Can FBI be given special permission to have a new account strictly for FBI UC shit?
Bob is an FBI agent with intentions to go under cover with a new account to prevent /whenmade or whatever to find him out. Bob goes to Gandalf saying "can has uc acc?"
Question: Can FBI be given special permission to have a new account strictly for FBI UC shit?
Bob is an FBI agent with intentions to go under cover with a new account to prevent /whenmade or whatever to find him out. Bob goes to Gandalf saying "can has uc acc?"
Question: Can FBI be given special permission to have a new account strictly for FBI UC shit?
Bob is an FBI agent with intentions to go under cover with a new account to prevent /whenmade or whatever to find him out. Bob goes to Gandalf saying "can has uc acc?"
Question: Can FBI be given special permission to have a new account strictly for FBI UC shit?
Player1 is at a weed field, GROWING [already planted] weed
Player2 Comes, tries to grow, and then realizes player1 has already planted.
Does Player2 have the right to kill Player1 to steal his weed - or is this DM?
going to give actualy situation since its a special one.
A player on duty says 'f**king cops, how do they work?' [as a joke to 'f**king magnets']
Mod bananas person for 600 seconds.
player asks why he is bananad
Mod claims what he said is trolling
Player asks how its trolling or even offensive
Mod can not give a real reason to how it is trolling
Player asks if he can get unbanana'd since mod can not prove why it is trolling
Mod threatens a ban if the player stop talking to him about situation
Player is temp banned for 'questioning moderator'
is this fair? the Player proved the mod had no explanation to how it was trolling but when he does he is tempbanned? How does this make sense?
Yes, it is offensive... If you have no idea why, ask yourself what will be your reaction on "f**king Jamal, how does he roleplay?"Okay i understand what you say. to answer; 'How can you explain' - explain what its trolling or how. When i asked I meant 'how could it be considered trolling if its a joke' - more to mean how can it be trolling if there is no form of trolling.
If it was supposed as a joke, it should be done in local chat and to those cops, who actually are involved in a funny roleplay you suggested... If you supposed it as a joke but saw that people took it in other way - just drop it ("Sorry, did not mean any harm man")
Admins should not banana on that long time... I actually was explaining it to admins team several times... Seems like I should instruct the team once again...
Read above...
How can you explain to man who thinks that "f**king cops" is not offensive for cops that he is trolling?
Player did not prove anything but became be annoying claiming he was not trolling other players when did... One is that from banana rule he started demands, secondly he was constantly disturbing admin by arguing, when all what he needed was just finish the banana time and continue playing...
:ps: The banana rule of Argonath came from Rockstars Clan joke... On other servers such rule called "STFU"... We decided that we will make the more polite form of muting player to have a time to steam out...
And with this I am curious... You were offended by banana but could not get why pointing to cops with swearing in words is not offensive...
Okay i understand what you say. to answer; 'How can you explain' - explain what its trolling or how. When i asked I meant 'how could it be considered trolling if its a joke' - more to mean how can it be trolling if there is no form of trolling.
It was not pointing to cops offensively it was just 'f**king cops, how do they work,' as a cop myself it was a considerable thought that it was really just a joke. It should also be noted there was a conversation about cops[in general] which ended around 3 minutes after I said the phrase.
You should start see the difference between joke and offense yourself... The problem was not in admin who muted you because saw a trolling, the problem was in you see a trolling as a joke...At least if you want to see more - try from others angles...as i said - i was not moaning. I was on duty myself so why would i moan on cops.
The cop near you can take it as a joke, cos was involved in situation, and cops who are far and do their business could take it as a pure offense... As chat does not give you a possibility to express the friendly smile anyways the phrase "f**king cops" already is offensive... Add here "how do they work" and we get some moaning troll... :hah:
So to understand if it is offensive you need to look at it from the side...It is only way to understand, nobody will explain you, because offense is a feeling not a math formula...
as i said - i was not moaning. I was on duty myself so why would i moan on cops.
To make this question more understandable i'll put in some examples;
Weed is legal.
Money is legal too.
If someone steals money he is commiting a crime (theft).
But what if someone steals your weed? Is that a crime too?
(With stealing I mean /harvesting the weed before the original grower does)
1. Swearing is against the rules, do not confuse slang with swearing.
To make this question more understandable i'll put in some examples;
Weed is legal.
Money is legal too.
If someone steals money he is commiting a crime (theft).
But what if someone steals your weed? Is that a crime too?
(With stealing I mean /harvesting the weed before the original grower does)
I need to get a solid clarification.
Back at the time, when Gimli was on server, he sweared in /p like "Oh f**k this f**ked shit". After all LOL's and other public spam went through, he messaged "What? swearing is allowed"
In Syn's unban request topic (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=60966.0) you stated the following:
So, is swearing actually allowed or not?
Is not allowed to insult or flame players... Usually swearing is a part/method to express your insulting... If player will say in public chat "f**king weather" or some other context which is not related to the personal attack, its ok... However its usually warned as players do not have limits in using swearing language...So swearing, when not touching other players, is allowed.
There is a big difference between "f**king bad guy asscop money hunger" and "Guys where the f**k did my car go?"
Swearing can also be a part of friendly roleplay, but only in case when both sides understand and just chilling around with each other... But that is a local chat issue and if other side feels offended such "roleplay" should be dropped... As in other way the offended person can report you to admins and admins have all rights to give you punishment...
And please do not cut off quotes and put it to every case, as the quote is an answer to the special situation...
That were variations of usage... But (as I already said) players either have no limits or trying to hide the disrespect under roleplay or friendly chilling clothes... With that we doubt players can handle swearing in a normal way and usually disallow it in the beginning...
Back at the time, when Gimli was on server, he sweared in /p like "Oh f**k this f**ked shit". After all LOL's and other public spam went through, he messaged "What? swearing is allowed"
So swearing, when not touching other players, is allowed.
Thanks.
So you can't flame your friends as a joke ??
I mean I flame on msn/facebook to other argonath members and they know I'm joking and don't care but if I flame them in the server AND they KNOW I'm JOKING is it punishable ? .....
So you can't flame your friends as a joke ??Even if they know you are joking, other people who see it might not know.
I mean I flame on msn/facebook to other argonath members and they know I'm joking and don't care but if I flame them in the server AND they KNOW I'm JOKING is it punishable ? .....
No... Swearing is not allowed...But you said it yourself it IS OK to swear:
If player will say in public chat "f**king weather" or some other context which is not related to the personal attack, its ok... [/u]
Especially for you as you will abuse it for sure...Those are my problems whether I'll abuse it or not.
But you said it yourself it IS OK to swear:
If player will say in public chat "f**king weather" or some other context which is not related to the personal attack, its ok...
No it is NOT OK to swear...Which is the current correct quote?
No it is NOT OK to swear...Now you confused me.
And do not even try to find the excuses for your swear on Argonath...I hope you do the same.
I hope you do the same.
Related to what Jamal was saying earlier...
Are players entitled to the right of knowing what they did wrong if punished, if they genuinely do not have any idea what they may have done wrong? Example
/p f**kING f**k OF A f**k f**k f**k f**k f**k f**k f**k
You were given a banana for 120 seconds.
/pm admin What did I do for the banana?
Most of the time, it comes out something like
/pm player Don't argue
Then later
/tempban player 15 arguing with admins
The banana on 120 seconds - is a harsh...
I was several times notifying to admins that the longest banana should be around 30 seconds... Seems like I will request from scripters to set it to 30 seconds automatically... What can happen for those 120 seconds accept more pissing off?
I myself have been a victim of being bananad for 300 Seconds on multiple ocasions.
If player will say in public chat "f**king weather" or some other context which is not related to the personal attack, its ok...
No it is NOT OK to swear...
I am here the owner, and who the f**k are you to tell me what to do?Being an owner doesn't mean doing everything what you want makes you look good.
Yes I know, I already saw this things several times... My fault I did not make a topic yet in admins team, cos just notifying in admins chat seems like does not work at all... We will solve this things...Also, the other day EliteTerm threatened that if someone misbehaved he'll banana him for 600 seconds. After I told him that you stated yourself putting banana that long is not allowed, at which he said that it is allowed and he's informed about it very well.
Pulling people over in civillian vehicles, is this still disallowed?When was this considered disallowed ? :conf:
Also, the other day EliteTerm threatened that if someone misbehaved he'll banana him for 600 seconds. After I told him that you stated yourself putting banana that long is not allowed, at which he said that it is allowed and he's informed about it very well.As you have identified yourself as one of those people who can not leave admin work to admins and pretend to know the rules better, while constantly arguing and creating every kinf od shot on server insted of playing let me tell this clearly :
True or false?
Can I ask why the rewards for cops were upped? I see this as a negative, due to:Totaly support this one, too many cops and lame suspect reasons.. and a big loss for criminals.
- More than half the server is USUALY on cop duty now, at any given time.
- Cops suspect faster than before and suspects are killed quick as hell, oftenly given no chance to surrender.
I dont want cops to be restricted, but lowering or removing the rewards for killing criminals and the fines of killing civilians aswell, would be beneficial. Aswell as lowering the jailing reward.
In my opinion all rewards and fines for cops should be removed, that way their cash wouldn't move up OR down. The incentive to go on duty to make money would be gone, and those who really enjoy playing as cops could still do it without losing a ton of money. "but we need better guns". Well, there is a /weaponequip command and several special groups to take down dangerous criminals. Like FBI, SRU and SWAT.
Totaly support this one, too many cops and lame suspect reasons.. and a big loss for criminals.
Also, the other day EliteTerm threatened that if someone misbehaved he'll banana him for 600 seconds. After I told him that you stated yourself putting banana that long is not allowed, at which he said that it is allowed and he's informed about it very well.
True or false?
Being an owner doesn't mean doing everything what you want...
I am confused as well... please clarify this for everyone.
Can I ask why the rewards for cops were upped? I see this as a negative, due to:It may be a negative for you, but it is actually a positive.
- More than half the server is USUALY on cop duty now, at any given time.
- Cops suspect faster than before and suspects are killed quick as hell, oftenly given no chance to surrender.
I dont want cops to be restricted, but lowering or removing the rewards for killing criminals and the fines of killing civilians aswell, would be beneficial. Aswell as lowering the jailing reward.
In my opinion all rewards and fines for cops should be removed, that way their cash wouldn't move up OR down. The incentive to go on duty to make money would be gone, and those who really enjoy playing as cops could still do it without losing a ton of money. "but we need better guns". Well, there is a /weaponequip command and several special groups to take down dangerous criminals. Like FBI, SRU and SWAT.
It may be a negative for you, but it is actually a positive.
If you have notices, people are now really making money as a cop, and as their reward is large as the loss of the criminal, it brings more money in to the economy as an economic stimulus.
Also this money lands often to new players.
Do you wish to avoid the cops making money ? Stop breaking the law and getting suspected.
Sad to break your dreams but it does...You missed the other part of the quote...
No, that's not what I want, but it's necessary to put a end to the hordes of cops who just go around suspecting everyone and everything for anything they can, all in the name of money.The rewards from the jobs you mention come from other players, so if the rewards go up players will be even less likely to use their services.
Instead of making the cop role so bloody attractive, why dont you up the rewards for being a hooker, medic, taxi driver? Maybe even add some criminal scripts so there is some money to make there aswell. The only way a new player can really make money is by being a cop, which is just wrong in my opinion.
"come with ideas then.."
You have a awesome idea from Eugene, yet you decide to do nothing about it? The idea was excellent, and could really put some initiative to become a criminal into the new players.
A weapon smuggler script could be a good incentive aswell. In similar fashion to the Drug smuggling idea Eugene came up with.
This is Grand Theft Auto - Why is the best way to make money being a cop?
Situation: I randomly attack a person who has been proven AFK, just to lol around. Have I broken a server rule?Server rule: No attacking without a (RP) reason.
Sad to break your dreams but it does...:rofl:
When was this considered disallowed ? :conf:I'm not entirely sure about this. Back in the day (about 2 weeks ago) when i still was a Lieteunant, i've heard that it was disallowed. I've been playing as a civillian for the past week now, driving my truck, and i'm honestly getting sick of everyone in the buffalo's, pulling you over.
:rofl:It might be some kind of SAPD rule. As for server rule, there is nothing. It does open interesting RP possibilities as you will ask the officers what reason they have for pulling you over..
I'm not entirely sure about this. Back in the day (about 2 weeks ago) when i still was a Lieteunant, i've heard that it was disallowed. I've been playing as a civillian for the past week now, driving my truck, and i'm honestly getting sick of everyone in the buffalo's, pulling you over.
This is unclear for newer players aswell (Or at least the ones i spoke with on MSN). If you just registered, get in a car, and drive on the highway, a buffalo pulls up behind you, shouting to pull over. This would scare me, since it was not a "real" police car with real lights and sirens.
Sounds like we're going from one problem to the other thougth. First, there was lack of police cruisers, and now there are too many of them. It's kind of funny.
I'm just going to confirm that it is a SAPD rule, atleast it was when I was in SAPD..
You missed the other part of the quote...
No, that's not what I want, but it's necessary to put a end to the hordes of cops who just go around suspecting everyone and everything for anything they can, all in the name of money.
Instead of making the cop role so bloody attractive, why dont you up the rewards for being a hooker, medic, taxi driver? Maybe even add some criminal scripts so there is some money to make there aswell. The only way a new player can really make money is by being a cop, which is just wrong in my opinion.
This is Grand Theft Auto - Why is the best way to make money being a cop?
Cos its not necessary... You missed the main point as I see...On the contrary, it was the only thing I wanted to point out.
On the contrary, it was the only thing I wanted to point out.
Being the cop is not the best way to make money... Criminals have much more money then cops, they waste tons on hard weapons and big properties with luxurious cars...
Obviously you don't know how the other criminals make loads of cash then.Wonder where half the servers income comes from??? JDC your so blind. Sure there are a few millionares. They made some one time BIG deals for their money. No one has ever become a millionare from cop duty, but cop duty is the main fastest source for income. Plus, criminals have a profit and a loss - Weapons and drugs purchases for example, versus cops paying nothing except for extra duty weapons, not really needed considering they are equipped with killer weapons.
There is no such thing as a person who has become a millionaire only from cop duty, the same can't be said for criminals though.
a bunch of questions;I do not see the point. If the admin can find the ID, he can already investigate. If he can not find it, there is nothing to report.
1. If someone dm's you, and you miss their id, can an admin give the id on request for you to report them?
2. If you do not know the id/name of the player that has broken a rule, is it allowed to mention it in /p, or would it be construed as moan.There is no reason to challenge the player in /p, or to tell the general public. First of all breaking the rule might be only in your perception, secondly using /p to get your anger out is breaking rules.
3. Are cops allowed to suspect anyone in a car for "aiding" just because they are in the same car?Not if its a cop. :lol:
4. If a player is known to have an issue with you, and tries to bait it into an argument, is it allowed to pretty much tell them to get a grip on pm, or would that be construed as flaming.Depends on how you tell it. Depending on your choice of words it might or might not be a flame.
5. If you believe an admin is getting stressed out, would suggesting they take a break be considered a moan/insult to the admin in question.If you are the cause of them being stressed out, better you take the break. In other cases you might tell it gently in a PM, as a remakr in /p will not reduce stress but certainly be seen as provoking in the eyes of a stressed admin.
6. Are admins allowed to act on incidents they were directly involved in?Admins are obliged to act on any rule breaking they witness.
7. Are admins allowed to use their teleport privelages to get friends back into the city from way out into the ocean? or even from 50 yards away because they want them next to them for some reason. (I have seen the latter in two cases with one admin teleporting his friends to him to pursue a suspect (will not name names unless asked, and will be in pm if asked, dont want to start a flame war.)We do not encourage admins to use the teleport commands other than in the case of events or special situations.
8. How does someone apply to be a property admin?To become property admins, one has to be part of the admin team already, as otherwise it is impossible to check the property valuation rules and topics.
9. Now that the current scripting team are inactive, will you be looking into getting some of the experienced scripters (myself, chase, andre etc) into the scripting team to get some of the wonderful idea's done?First we will decide on what path to take, then we might ask people to apply for scripter. But being a scripter for Argonath does mean that whatever work you create for Argonath is not allowed to be released in public or private without the owners consent, and our scripters have to sign a written agreement.
Today an admin "Daniel_Corleone" has publicly stated that "returning after death is not allowed for cops or not", we tried to speak about this rationally and he wount have any of it. He has clearly shown behavior of him kicking cops from server for returning after death.
So my question
CAN cops return after death? or is the admin mis-informed?
Gandalf, what is the biggest thing that has changed if you look back 3/4 years ago.My family has gotten a lot larger. :D
Today an admin "Daniel_Corleone" has publicly stated that "returning after death is not allowed for cops or not", we tried to speak about this rationally and he wount have any of it. He has clearly shown behavior of him kicking cops from server for returning after death.Cops can return after death, providing they continue to be in RP state of mind. If at any time admins see that someone returning goes in to revenge killing they can act against that player.
So my question
CAN cops return after death? or is the admin mis-informed?
Gandalf, how much kids do you have?There's another topic for personal questions for owners. See Speakerbox.
And what if you look at GTA?
The fastest way (though the most risky one) to make money is gambling.
Gandalf, how much kids do you have?Over 8000.... and about 500 stable. ;)
And what if you look at GTA?
The fastest way (though the most risky one) to make money is gambling.
Let's put it this way:first of all, housework usually does not come up as emergency. that means you either promised to do something earlier, or you reached a time limit that you were given. As this is a common problem among teenagers, lets skip the parenting ;) and go to the problem.
Your a suspect.Your going high speed,running from the cops.And then suddenly....you got to do housework.
Should you just go AFK and risk getting punished,or /q and risk getting punished? Or is there a risk-free way?
There is nothing that restricts you from exiting the game if you have to. However if admins notice that you are regularly getting housework the moment you are surrounded, the excuse is as believable as that your grany installed the hacking tools...
Gandalf, how much kids do you have?
Over 8000.... and about 500 stable. ;)
Wow, you must have alot of sexy times! :conf:/me facepalms
III. Under the Argonath Vision, section IV, it says, "Argonath strives to keep rules simple and understandable. Our community was created as free RP, based on imagination and creativity. We will not ever support it changing in to a jungle of rules that are impossible to understand, follow and adhere to. Our rules will remain the minimal needed to stop players who wish to disturb the fun in playing from doing so, not more and not less." What about rules that are not written there such as the denied right of jailing suspects that you did not cuff? There are plenty of rules that are not written. Should these so-called rules be followed?In my opinion that is just a kind of rule that can be concluded out of a "Respect every player" rule and/or the "No cheating" rule (you are using powers you should not use in this case). Anyways, that is just my opinion. I am also curious what an owner will answer on this question.
I got a couple of questions:Yes they can.
I. Based off the Argonath Vision, it is completely allowed for staff members to take action on using swear words. Can an administrator/moderator warn, kick, temp-ban, or possibly ban someone for saying /p f**k?
II. Recently, I did the following, /p Quote from Scary Movie, "RUN B!TCH, RUUUUUNNNN". I got warned for using capitals letters. Technically, I did not use the caps, I just quoted from the movie, is the warn reason still valid or am I not allowed to use caps in quotes from movies, speakers, etc.?We have an intrnational community, and you should understand that not all people will be familiar with the movies you have seen. There for apart from missing the joke, the use of caps might have annoyed someone. If you type in /p you have to understand that it is readable for all, and there for you should refrain from random shoutings.
III. Under the Argonath Vision, section IV, it says, "Argonath strives to keep rules simple and understandable. Our community was created as free RP, based on imagination and creativity. We will not ever support it changing in to a jungle of rules that are impossible to understand, follow and adhere to. Our rules will remain the minimal needed to stop players who wish to disturb the fun in playing from doing so, not more and not less." What about rules that are not written there such as the denied right of jailing suspects that you did not cuff? There are plenty of rules that are not written. Should these so-called rules be followed?I have no idea about what rule you are talking.
Thanks in advance,
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A hit was set on Moose. I accepted it and said in public chat: da moose is loose. I became to find Moose and he stopped. I role played a bit (/me pulls out a Combat Shotgun) and killed him. I then said in /p "Sorry moose". Quickly, I was temp-banned for death matching. Is the reason valid if a.)I accepted the hit, b.) I role played instead of just killed him?
This is not a place to complain on actions of admins, but to find clarification on the rules.
As for setting a hit on an admin, this is best avoided. Remember that admins have more chat lines as usual players and there for could overlook the message a hit was set on them.
In this case it seems to have been a tactic from a group to set hits in order to be able to kill another group. This is not allowed as well, and if noticed all hits would have been cancelled. During your tempban this matter was cleared.
Are mild religious discussions disallowed in the SAMP server?The server is not intended as chat server. While some off-topic might slip through, it is not the main purpose to dicuss anything except the game.
Are players allowed to discuss Racist Groups? (i.e: Nazi Germany)No.
Are car modifications which alter key characteristics such as handling and durability allowed? If no, what would be the best way in which to report them if you have little or no tangible evidence?
I don't have any installed in-case you're wondering.
I think SAMP forces it's own handling config files, but I don't know about CLEO type mods.
I think SAMP forces its own handling config files, but I don't know about CLEO type mods.You should know. :roll:
You should know. :roll:Why? o-o
Why? o-o
I have no idea about what rule you are talking.What he means is, there are shit tons (exaggeration) of rules that are admin-punishable of not followed, yet they are not written out on anything.
Remember that on Argonath there are more than one set of rules. The basic server rules are very simple and limited. However if you are part of a group, sometimes the group wishes to create a more complicated code of conduct. If you wish to remain in the gorup, follow the rules. If not, just follow server rules.
What he means is, there are shit tons (exaggeration) of rules that are admin-punishable of not followed, yet they are not written out on anything.
Examples:
Don't abuse /su (commonsenselol)
Don't shoot stand-still suspects
Ask for surrender before opening fire
No capital letters in chat (commonsenselol)
Begins with a J and ends in an ourney.I didn't edit any handling files, or use CLEO.. :conf:
I didn't edit any handling files, or use CLEO.. :conf:JOURNEY MOD.
JOURNEY MOD.
I didn't edit any handling files, or use CLEO.. :conf:
I was banned two months ago for getting inside a journey with an illegal mod.
They are written down here (http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4:english&catid=2:rules&Itemid=9).
yet they are not written out on anything.Please tell me where you see these written down.
Don't abuse /su (commonsenselol)
Don't shoot stand-still suspects
Ask for surrender before opening fire
No capital letters in chat (commonsenselol)
Don't abuse /su (commonsenselol)Falls under "no script abusing" and no deathmatching"
Don't shoot stand-still suspectsFalls under "no deathmatching"
Ask for surrender before opening fireFalls under "no deathmatching"
No capital letters in chat (commonsenselol)Netiquette rule.
What he means is, there are shit tons (exaggeration) of rules that are admin-punishable of not followed, yet they are not written out on anything.
Examples:
Don't abuse /su (commonsenselol)
Don't shoot stand-still suspects
Ask for surrender before opening fire
No capital letters in chat (commonsenselol)
How does an admin determine whether my message was CAPS ABUSE OR NOT?
Because I was writing something really long, and in the middle around 30% of my message was CAPS Locked, everything else is properly sized but I still got warned for abusing caps.
One or two words are acceptable. More than that, especially consecutively, will lead to a possible reaction from an admin.Hi there. You new developer?
Hi there. You new developer?
The entire opposite.Then don't answer, I'm asking developers here.
You do not have to know who I am.That's not for you to decide.
That's not for you to decide.
Recently there was an issue with a hacker and no admin was able to come get in game as they have been either AFK or asleep. One member of the community decided to say, "Turn your hacks off, or else I ban you. I am UC Admin.". After a while, a real administrator came in game (Ben). I reported the user who was impersonating, but no action was taken against the user as he/she was an old member. The same situation happened a while back, but a new user said that and he got a punishment for it.(I am not a owner nor a developer nor an admin, but I think I know the answer)
Is this fair? Shouldn't all rules apply to all members of the community?
(I am not a owner nor a developer nor an admin, but I think I know the answer)
Admins should have solid proof in order to punish players, cause most likely players are raging: "I DIDNT SAY THAT!"
Technically it is as it is my identity.Yet they made this topic to answer questions.
The developers have better things to do than answer common sense questions that other players, or admins, can answer.
How does an admin determine whether my message was CAPS ABUSE OR NOT?
Because I was writing something really long, and in the middle around 30% of my message was CAPS Locked, everything else is properly sized but I still got warned for abusing caps.
How does an admin determine whether my message was CAPS ABUSE OR NOT?Depends on the tolerance level of the admin, and if he feels you could have avoided the capslock from happening.
Because I was writing something really long, and in the middle around 30% of my message was CAPS Locked, everything else is properly sized but I still got warned for abusing caps.
So like ''I was walking down the road and I was like HOLY CRAP A TURTLE'' is that allowed?Did the turtle pass you ? :D
Recently there was an issue with a hacker and no admin was able to come get in game as they have been either AFK or asleep. One member of the community decided to say, "Turn your hacks off, or else I ban you. I am UC Admin.". After a while, a real administrator came in game (Ben). I reported the user who was impersonating, but no action was taken against the user as he/she was an old member. The same situation happened a while back, but a new user said that and he got a punishment for it.If there is no admin online, and a loyal member tries to help out by threatening a hacker, the best you can come up with is reporting him for impersonating as soon as an admin comes online ?
Is this fair? Shouldn't all rules apply to all members of the community?
Did the turtle pass you ? :D
If there is no admin online, and a loyal member tries to help out by threatening a hacker, the best you can come up with is reporting him for impersonating as soon as an admin comes online ?
You would have been a treasure in WW2 or in the USSR....
and he was right to do so, though flaming is not allowed.
But this "loyal" member of yours has cussed me out after.
and he was right to do so, though flaming is not allowed.
Depends on the tolerance level of the admin, and if he feels you could have avoided the capslock from happening.Still, example of a message i got warned for:
Still, example of a message i got warned for:I do not get why you would write that in public chat at all....
/p AND THEN HE GETS AWAY WITH IT. I mean, what kind of retarded storyline for a game such as XXX is this?!
I mean, I used it to a certain degree, not abused it.
I do not get why you would write that in public chat at all....Discuss a book?
Grammatically, abbreviations should be capitalized. In this case, would typing caps with the abbreviations (like LOL) be warn-able or not?Since when does the internet care about grammar ? :razz:
I ask, as I've been warned and kicked many times just for going LOL alone in main chat.
I could understand by your logic, Gandalf, that typing something like "/p LOLROFLOMGWTFBBQIDKLOLWTFIDGAF" is completely unnecessary, and completely punishable. But something like "/p LOL IDK"...?
To insinuate the idea of the nonexistence of individuals on the internet who happen to possess at least a basic regard of some sort for grammatical structure and refinement would be identical to a denial of the existence of a faction who the general populace refer to as the Grammar Nazis. :razz:
2. Argonath gives equal rights to new, experienced and admin players. We do not discriminate between players, and having admin rights or being a long time player does not give any of our players rights to act as better, higher or having more status as another.
Admins are players who give their time, effort, and patience to make sure that the server is a safe place to play in- and with no payment. Our work is voluntary.I do understand this and respect it, however I find it strange that this fact causes people to go against the very establishments they vowed to follow until the end.
Read previous topics about the shitting on admins and you will find your answer there.
Retarded, you mean?I see more protection of precious reputation from criminal groups than from admins. Just try to give a criminal group a warning and all hell breaks loose. :razz:
Anyway, if I remember correctly
If this is the case, why do admins appear to have more of a priority of having their precious reputation protected?
This has no correlation with the Talking Back to Admins topic.
I see more protection of precious reputation from criminal groups than from admins. Just try to give a criminal group a warning and all hell breaks loose. :razz:Reword of my previous statement: This has no relation with what you and I have posted on the Talking Back to Admins topic.
I see more protection of precious reputation from criminal groups than from admins. Just try to give a criminal group a warning and all hell breaks loose. :razz:Sorry to point this out, but Why mention 'criminals?' Did you think of mentioning cops? or even just anyone? Its not right to demonize criminals. Or cops. Or admins. or anyone. I understand if you were just making an example, but it seems everyone turns to making a comparison with criminals, rather than any other type or version of player. And also what hell breaks loose? Do you mean the whole 'criminal group' goes crazy? Last time I saw a warning (havn't seen one recently) from what I saw publicly, it went smooth. Maybe there was some discussion from the group 'we didnt deserve it' but its nothing worse than having an opinion. IF the group were to shit their opinion on everything 'omg we dont deserve this' and constantly bring it up, it would be bad.
If a player has supposedly hacked a minigun, should the admin check with that player first before swinging the banhammer?
Because I believe not asking the player is a seriously bad shortcut
All hackers are warned to leave the server immediately to turn their hacks off or they are banned.
Sorry to point this out, but Why mention 'criminals?' Did you think of mentioning cops? or even just anyone? Its not right to demonize criminals. Or cops. Or admins. or anyone. I understand if you were just making an example, but it seems everyone turns to making a comparison with criminals, rather than any other type or version of player. And also what hell breaks loose? Do you mean the whole 'criminal group' goes crazy? Last time I saw a warning (havn't seen one recently) from what I saw publicly, it went smooth. Maybe there was some discussion from the group 'we didnt deserve it' but its nothing worse than having an opinion. IF the group were to shit their opinion on everything 'omg we dont deserve this' and constantly bring it up, it would be bad.
That did not answer the question
The administrator team has the tools to check if the player hacked or not. And yes, they are required to check them before banning.
All hackers are warned to leave the server immediately to remove their hacks or they are banned.So, you say, if I come in the server with hacks, I'll get warned first?
The administrator team is required to check for all hacks before banning, that is, checking.
If you are a regular, you are supposed to know the rules. So do not get surprised if you're not asked to remove them before banning.
If a player has supposedly hacked a minigun, should the admin check with that player first before swinging the banhammer?If the script warns regarding hacked weapons, admins are allowed to ban without any questioning or research.
Because I believe not asking the player is a seriously bad shortcut
On the contrary, I would have thought that if you are a regular, the administrators have the same duty to ask the player, a regular has less motivationAs regular you are required to be familiar with all the rules. A new player who has never been on the server or read the forum might get a friendly warning. Regulars know that hacking gets you banned, and there for have no excuse.
As regular you are required to be familiar with all the rules. A new player who has never been on the server or read the forum might get a friendly warning. Regulars know that hacking gets you banned, and there for have no excuse.
As regular you are required to be familiar with all the rules. A new player who has never been on the server or read the forum might get a friendly warning. Regulars know that hacking gets you banned, and there for have no excuse.
All hackers are warned to leave the server immediately to remove their hacks or they are banned.No they aren't. Admins are not obliged to use the command at all on any hacker, it is their choice to use it or to instantly ban.
SA:MP Admin applications opening anytime soon?
Can you see how many bans, kicks and warns already been given?
That is where you and I differ, my question was related to the checking to confirm the scripts, not all about checking the player.Before a script is released, it is tested by a number of people. When the script is released, initially any warning it displays is verified to ensure it is working properly. After some time, the admin team know under which circumstances a bug might appear, and will act accordingly.
Assumption that scripts are right is not good.
'Computers have ghosts'
Alright, Originally I know that web-sites related to argonath groups are allowed to be advertised..Advertising of servers and sites that do not belong to Argonath is not permitted without permission from the owners.
Today while I was advertising the 58th street conecta forum (www.58th.tk (http://www.58th.tk)) (via ad) I was told by Jcstodds that I am not allowed to do that... can someone clear me on this?
So far, there is no known source of miniguns for regular players on the server other than external hacks, so I would laugh at anyone who says the script bugged him with a minigun.
Isn't it only official clans and groups that can do advertise their websites?Actually we have allowed any group that is linked mainly to Argonath and asked.
Why when I am discussing a particular situation over /p, which happened quite recently, with others, I get warned for so-called "moaning" and muted?Unable to reply without the specific situation. If you have any doubts you should know where to go.
Unable to reply without the specific situation. If you have any doubts you should know where to go.I don't have doubts, just that it's strange.
Can the logs be checked in every situation?No, as gambling is done at your own risk, you can be scammed and it is allowed however if you wish to pursue this you can use the courts but must use your own evidence (which means no one will do log checks for you).
Like a game of dice?
I know I shouldn't answer but maybe this will save developers some time:
No, as gambling is done at your own risk, you can be scammed and it is allowed however if you wish to pursue this you can use the courts but must use your own evidence (which means no one will do log checks for you).
Can the logs be checked in every situation?The logs can be checked for virtually everything that can be registered.
Like a game of dice?
The logs can be checked for virtually everything that can be registered.
Surely you can sue people for whatever the f**k you want. Whether you win or not is a different matter.Because it happend to me, he said "No, you can't sue us"
Because it happend to me, he said "No, you can't sue us"
Surely you can sue people for whatever the f**k you want. Whether you win or not is a different matter.
Conflict of interest. Ever heard of it? ;)
From the situation gives, yes, I believe you can sue them.
The topic is based on "Situations" and answers from DEVELOPERS...
Two SWAT members driving SWAT car (blue buffalo) but not beeing on SWAT duty. (they're on SAPD duty)
Is it allowed?
Isnt this something you should ask SWAT/SAPD Leaders?No, ARPD Chief is best.
Situation: You are suspected, a cop kicks you from your bike, you ask them nicely to stop spraying you, but they kept spraying. If you want an investigation at the location where you are. They say "SURRENDER then we investigate!", they are spraying you again.
Question: Are you allowed to sue them for Police Brutality?
Since when was it against the rules to RP a higher rank/FBI member?
14:32:45] <Brad_Evans> (52) LOLfail
[14:32:51] <Georgio_Ancelotti> (50) kk.
[14:32:56] <Ollie_Stracci> (81) We are though D:
[14:32:57] <Giggapuddi_Stracci> (107) santa you are admin?
[14:33:01] <TeaM_SantaD> (116) No you are not
[14:33:02] david_fishman(12) has joined the server from Estonia
[14:33:02] bob_ferdinand(2) has joined the server from Latvia
[14:33:03] <Georgio_Ancelotti> (50) Wait, who is Giggapuddi?
[14:33:06] Criminal Romeo_Ancelotti(47) cuffs have failed. Hold your fire and cuff him
[14:33:06] <Ollie_Stracci> (81) well i am
[14:33:10] Ollie_Stracci, you were kicked by TeaM_Wayne(19) for Funny.
[14:33:10] Ollie_Stracci was kicked by TeaM_Wayne(19) for Funny.
[14:33:10] Server closed the connection.
Two SWAT members driving SWAT car (blue buffalo) but not beeing on SWAT duty. (they're on SAPD duty)
Is it allowed?
Is kamikaze-ing allowed, as long as:Just a question.
1. You have an RP reason to do it
2. The person you intend to kill is the only person that dies in the explosion
If not, then how come it isn't written down? Maybe something like "do not attempt to kill people by throwing planes into them."
Don't throw me the "common sense" crap, please, because it really isn't. Anyone, from a new player to myself, would assume that since this is a roleplay server, you can roleplay a Japanese Kamikaze Warrior freely.
Player1 drives to an ammunation and buys armour a combat shotgun and M4. Drives to LSPD in his car and yells "this is rob!!!!!!!!!!" and then proceeds to shoot anyone who doesn't put their hands up (not paying attention). What can I do?>not a developer
Player1 drives to an ammunation and buys armour a combat shotgun and M4. Drives to LSPD in his car and yells "this is rob!!!!!!!!!!" and then proceeds to shoot anyone who doesn't put their hands up (not paying attention). What can I do?
Gandalf:
What is your real name?
Clearification (From Gandalf/Aragorn please)A variation question from this...
Situation: Over 10+ cops chase you and shoot you. You call backup which gets into your car, they get shot at by the police.
Should they be suspected, are they allowed to return fire OR should they be banned.
Where the hell is ARUN? Where are the people involved in it like iMunna, Dave, Frank Hawk, Traser...?As the project was predicted to fail, those involved in A. R. U. N. were removed whereas Aragorn and Gandalf intercepted the project.
And not Corleone?Corleone still have a sticky topic and Kolta are also a part of ARUN although they aren't criminals.
oh right, they were kicked out.
Corleone still have a sticky topic and Kolta are also a part of ARUN although they aren't criminals.
What is ARUN doing at the moment? I have no any idea...
Ancelotti and Stracci are apart of it, and the last time I checked they were criminal groups too. :roll:
- Websites:
- http://ancelotti.argonathrpg.com/ (http://ancelotti.argonathrpg.com/)
- http://stracci.argonathrpg.com/ (http://stracci.argonathrpg.com/)
and the last time I checked they were criminal groups too. :roll:
Corleone still have a sticky topic and Kolta are also a part of ARUN although they aren't criminals.(http://i56.tinypic.com/huj2gn.jpg)
What is ARUN doing at the moment? I have no any idea...
I'm still waiting for my board rights to be set back at ARUN....
Now i am confused if i can make this kind of RP or not,i thought the whole thing through for hours and thought about every little problem that can possibly occur in my master plan and actually hide the actual plan in disguise of a huge attack in progress
wanking a video game...Word
Explain the conditions on which suspects can engage cops
Manager+ ONLY Please
The governmental system of Argonath would be best described as a one-party oligarchy.
Believe me, this community would have fallen apart years ago if it were a total democracy.
The governmental system of Argonath would be best described as a one-party oligarchy.
Believe me, this community would have fallen apart years ago if it were a total democracy.
The Owners certainly knew what they were doing, and I think they made a good decision by not making it into a democracy.your a rogue player, because i think so. Your a problem here, because i think so. i can act like my opinion is fact too
So far, the only ones with issues against the government are those irresponsible rogue players who possess some kind of issue against the admin team, because they cannot control their own rulebreaking or get the community to adjust to how they want it.
your a rogue player, because i think so. Your a problem here, because i think so. i can act like my opinion is fact tooAnd that is your biggest problem...
What about freedom of opinion on Argonath? Am I going to be punished If i have any negative opinion against anyone, whether it is a server owner or a player? (I don't mean talking about it on public, in CB chat or PM)
Is it against server rules to make roleplay protests against gandalf to remove him?(Not really meaning it but just RP,we are happy with his 200 year dictator rule :help:)We were waiting for that already long time...
Developers, please say whether or not if someone is co-operating and talking away trying to prove he's innocent is sign of surrender, and they may not escape, 1 second they are saying I'm innocent, next second escape.If he did not give up and escape - its allowed...
Is kamikaze-ing allowed, as long as:Well, if it is your and his roleplay situation - why not? :)
1. You have an RP reason to do it
2. The person you intend to kill is the only person that dies in the explosion
Player1 drives to an ammunation and buys armour a combat shotgun and M4. Drives to LSPD in his car and yells "this is rob!!!!!!!!!!" and then proceeds to shoot anyone who doesn't put their hands up (not paying attention). What can I do?Warn him for suspect level hunting... :)
I remember once several players getting temp-banned even some admins for driving infront of LSPD while wanted, it was classed as cop hunting.It can have a ban only if the wanted player sits in a car with other gang members who are not wanted... In such case driving around PD to provoke cops to get wanted level to other members for another group war is banable...
Clearification (From Gandalf/Aragorn please)They should have a wanted level to fight back... In this case police should suspect them for aiding a criminal... Once they are suspect they can fire back...
Situation: Over 10+ cops chase you and shoot you. You call backup which gets into your car, they get shot at by the police.
Should they be suspected, are they allowed to return fire OR should they be banned.
A variation question from this...This is a cheating variation, when cops are shooting the suspect car and others "consider" it as cops attack them and open fire as self-defence... They should either help suspect to escape from cops or get at least wanted level... Excuses like "I shot as self-defence" here do not pass...
Situation: Over 10+ cops chase you and shoot you. You call backup which gets into your car, they get shot at by the police whilst not suspected. Are they allowed to return fire for the sake of their lives regardless of not being suspected, or should they be banned?
Where the hell is ARUN? Where are the people involved in it like iMunna, Dave, Frank Hawk, Traser...?Nice question... To find the answer I have to check the situation with ARUN...
Situation: You are suspected, a cop kicks you from your bike, you ask them nicely to stop spraying you, but they kept spraying. If you want an investigation at the location where you are. They say "SURRENDER then we investigate!", they are spraying you again.Yes you can... We were always telling that Courts are opened for any cases and Police Brutality was in some years ago the main thread at Courts, which were even taking place online on server with witnesses and judges from independent admins representatives...
Question: Are you allowed to sue them for Police Brutality?
Since when was it against the rules to RP a higher rank/FBI member?
14:32:45] <Brad_Evans> (52) LOLfail
[14:32:51] <Georgio_Ancelotti> (50) kk.
[14:32:56] <Ollie_Stracci> (81) We are though D:
[14:32:57] <Giggapuddi_Stracci> (107) santa you are admin?
[14:33:01] <TeaM_SantaD> (116) No you are not
[14:33:02] david_fishman(12) has joined the server from Estonia
[14:33:02] bob_ferdinand(2) has joined the server from Latvia
[14:33:03] <Georgio_Ancelotti> (50) Wait, who is Giggapuddi?
[14:33:06] Criminal Romeo_Ancelotti(47) cuffs have failed. Hold your fire and cuff him
[14:33:06] <Ollie_Stracci> (81) well i am
[14:33:10] Ollie_Stracci, you were kicked by TeaM_Wayne(19) for Funny.
[14:33:10] Ollie_Stracci was kicked by TeaM_Wayne(19) for Funny.
[14:33:10] Server closed the connection.
Freedom of speech does not mean you can sit and spread every shit here... Yes, you will be punished...I do not need your opinion about shits of argonath and how spreading bullshit is bullshit. That's not even the point of my question.
Will be punished every crap who does not achieve anything, no responsibility into community, no respect into community, no efforts into community but only smells and criticizing everyone here... Does not matter admin he or a player...
And yes we already have several (all the same) piece of craps who year by year do not do anything else here on Argonath but spreading all negatives...
This wanking should be thrown out... find for that other servers who like to swim in a shit...
I believe Aragorn already answered your question... watch your tone.You weren't questioned here.
Explain the conditions on which suspects can engage cops
Manager+ ONLY Please
You weren't questioned here.Untill you think you are always right you will never understand my answer to you...
As for the answer on my question, it is invalid and unrelevant. I asked about expressing opinion, not about spreading lies and shitty rumours on a person.
I got a question.The standard reasons: cyberbulling and abusing the passwords of their mates/ or passwords being hacked through MSN...
In what cases can a person be banned ingame for something they did on the forums?
If an in-game banned regular player is questioning his ban reason by asking other (often higher in rank) admins, shouldn't such banned person get banned from forums too for bullshitting?To be forum banned needs at least to break forums rules as well... And forums rules are also clear...
Is murder in self defence a unuspectable "crime"*?If I got the question correct - murder as self-defence is a murder as well... So yes it is a crime... Either confess to police or prepare to run away or fight...
You, for example, have no difference between bullshit and discussions...I don't even need to hear your assumptions as you said it the statement of truth in your post yourself.
I have a question, many know that surf on the car + shooting it's not allowed. It's allowed to be on the car and carsurf.
But to my question now, is it allowed to be on like a boat/plane and shoot meanwhile you surf on it? I guess boats are allowed but curious about airplanes.
Situation: I'm suspect and i'm trying to escape on foot. Are cops allowed to Driver DB or Passenger DB, when i'm on foot, not firing back? Question relates to both ARPD and SAPD Officers.
I don't even think that's possible.
Situation: I'm suspect and i'm trying to escape on foot. Are cops allowed to Driver DB or Passenger DB, when i'm on foot, not firing back? Question relates to both ARPD and SAPD Officers.
Situation:
Player A is on weed field, growing weed. Player B comes there, takes out combat and aims to you saying ''mine gtfo'' and starts blasting you and kills you.
Is that a DM and can I report it? Growing weed is legal afterall
So, is it okay that suspect escape after /hail? I've been cuffing many veterans and half of them did /stopanim and ran/shot me. At the old script when you did /gu you raised hands automatically, but also we got /gu script so why not to use it? Maybe /hail is for RP, i do like this RP situation but i don't like when they suddenly shoot me, also my friend got banned for this month ago.The rule is 'no escaping after surrendering'. This implies that feigning/pretending to surrender is not allowed.
So is it OK or not?
Good evening,
The situation: Me and 3 more friends who I know IRL are playing and fooling around.. One of them, by joke, shoots me.
Some admin who was spectacting us freezes him, although I didn't report him.
My question is: Are admins allowed to take actions even if there's no reports?
Cheers.
The problem is of course that we should give something in return. For those who remember 2007, we made that time a loan system so players could open a business with little money, and made sure there was extra man power to set all houses in short time.
If we choose a full reset, then that does not mean active and old players will lose their name or automatically lose their long-standing business. However it will mean that those players who are not active will lose out, in favour of the active players.
How exactly this will be done is something we do not know yet, as most of it is at this time just an idea brewing in my mind. But rest assured, wwhen the time comes you will be informed and get all chances to retain landmarks.
Player sits and weedfield in full armor and combat shotgun with a spraycan around the weed flower. A new player goes up to try his hand at a new job and the regular goes "You got 3 secs to leave or you die !!!!!" new player runs off scared to next weedfield to find the same thing by someone else.
I see this is very wrong.. but what would they be punished for? DM?
/helpmeup was introduced originally to actually get out from being car killed.Is this true or is Louis Keyl just making it up because I don't remember carkilling as a bug :rofl:
Incorrect.
/helpmeup was introduced in case people spawned in places built on water like Disneyland, in which case they would respawn swimming under the objects when returning.
Is this true or is Louis Keyl just making it up because I don't remember carkilling as a bug :rofl:
Remember back to SA:MP 0.2x when you frequently crash all the time? When you log back in, you often find yourself under the car you were driving. I believe this was when /helpmeup was introduced.Yeah but spawning under a car isn't the same as being carkilled by another player which is what Louis Keyl has told everyone was the reasoning behind the addition of /helpmeup. I remember until mid 2009 there was this annoying bug where you fell a mile if you entered a business and could use /helpmeup to fix it or exit and try to enter at another point.
:ps: Guess the Miami Syndrome was an epidemic in SA:MP at the time. :devroll:
As I remember it was added for people getting stuck under Disneyland.
Incorrect.
/helpmeup was introduced in case people spawned in places built on water like Disneyland, in which case they would respawn swimming under the objects when returning.
Player sits and weedfield in full armor and combat shotgun with a spraycan around the weed flower. A new player goes up to try his hand at a new job and the regular goes "You got 3 secs to leave or you die !!!!!" new player runs off scared to next weedfield to find the same thing by someone else.
I see this is very wrong.. but what would they be punished for? DM?
Imagine the following Situation
I'm a bog standard cop, SAPD Senior Officer etc, am patrolling with SMG and Deagle as standard etc...
I drive past Grove Street, and there are a group of about 10 people, Araatus and others, and practically every single one opens fire on me with Combat Shotguns, M4s etc.
Could this be considered bannable?
Imagine the following Situation
I'm a bog standard cop, SAPD Senior Officer etc, am patrolling with SMG and Deagle as standard etc...
I drive past Grove Street, and there are a group of about 10 people, Araatus and others, and practically every single one opens fire on me with Combat Shotguns, M4s etc.
Could this be considered bannable?
No, because we were suspected and you were the fourteenth cop to come around the corner and open fire on us :D
Situation:
Player 1 jokes about player 2, player 2 jokes him back. Admin bans player 2. Jokes were about other guys IG name.
Question:
was that the right thing to do?? Both said only 1 word, but only player 2 got banned? And why BAN, why no warn, kick, banana or tempban?
Ps. happened IG few min ago. I got SS if you dont unserstand from the text.
Shouldn't there still be /warn, /kick or /tempban before banning other?
I have a question, many know that surf on the car + shooting it's not allowed. It's allowed to be on the car and carsurf.Shooting while surfing any vehicle is prohibited. Even if its a camera.
But to my question now, is it allowed to be on like a boat/plane and shoot meanwhile you surf on it? I guess boats are allowed but curious about airplanes.
Situation: I'm suspect and i'm trying to escape on foot. Are cops allowed to Driver DB or Passenger DB, when i'm on foot, not firing back? Question relates to both ARPD and SAPD Officers.Server rules are simple. If you are a suspect you have the choice between surrendering and running. If you run, cops can use all possible legal ways to stop you and make you surrender.
So, is it okay that suspect escape after /hail? I've been cuffing many veterans and half of them did /stopanim and ran/shot me. At the old script when you did /gu you raised hands automatically, but also we got /gu script so why not to use it? Maybe /hail is for RP, i do like this RP situation but i don't like when they suddenly shoot me, also my friend got banned for this month ago.As soon as you surrender, regardless in which way, you are not allowed to run or resume fighting. This because after surrender it would be easy to get an advantage.
So is it OK or not?
Situation:Player B has a reason to attack you: you are growing valuable drugs.
Player A is on weed field, growing weed. Player B comes there, takes out combat and aims to you saying ''mine gtfo'' and starts blasting you and kills you.
Is that a DM and can I report it? Growing weed is legal afterall
Good evening,Admins are supposed to regularly watch all players and act if they noticed rulebreaking.
The situation: Me and 3 more friends who I know IRL are playing and fooling around.. One of them, by joke, shoots me.
Some admin who was spectacting us freezes him, although I didn't report him.
My question is: Are admins allowed to take actions even if there's no reports?
Cheers.
I guess this would go here... when you type /bizzinfo for your own business what is the equation for the profit script? Like it shows since the last time you withdrew money, or since restocked, since bought, etc.Profit is counted from the last time the bizz was restocked.
Could someone from managers/owners can clear me up in which cases crime "aiding" is actually valid.Case 1 : valid
Case 1: Two people in tha car,driver is non-suspected person,passnager is suspected - I agree,fully valid.
Case 2: Two people in tha car,driver gets suspected for usualy reckless driving/speeding,few seconds after in 99% percent of cases passanger gets suspected for aiding? If this is actually valid,passanger actually should jump outa car instantly just because driver is suspected?
Case 3: Again two people,driver suspected,other guy gets suspected for aiding even if he has noany intentions to dby or in anyway help suspect,in many cases passanger is even afk..
Same case is when there is 3 or 4 people like in Case 3.
Someone said that aboveToo early in time to answer. We do understand the concerns from people who do not wish to lose their properties to competitors, but until we are close to releas we will not give any thought how to arrange certain things.
I really want to know if CoastGuard HQ must be sold, and my house too which I own since the early times of my stay in Argonath which I used on occasions to hold DD's, roleplay farmer, sell food and etc, I also want to continue this but seeing as it will be changed I am afraid to start it because if I do then the farm is gone then wtf we do >.<
Will there be priority given to those who own a building / house for so long and still play, maybe not 24/7 - but I am not inactive ... ? So they can get loan, buy it back then work hard to repay loan and retire for a bit then continue as normal?
I would love the idea of new change that could help server and could not care about my money (because I already lost it a month before because of this same script change I got used to the idea already that I cant use the money, it stays in IVMP now XD).
I don't want to change my whole samp life, because it's nice :)
When you exit/enter building, there is 3-5sec freeze time while you can't move. Is it consider as script abusing if someone does /thawme to avoids freezing?The freeze time is to ensure all object are loaded. Using /thawme can make you bugged.
Player sits and weedfield in full armor and combat shotgun with a spraycan around the weed flower. A new player goes up to try his hand at a new job and the regular goes "You got 3 secs to leave or you die !!!!!" new player runs off scared to next weedfield to find the same thing by someone else.If they do not answer the questions a true newbie would ask and actually shoot it would be considered DM. Scaring players is not outside the rules.
I see this is very wrong.. but what would they be punished for? DM?
Situation:In many situations what may look to 1 word for some players is an ongoing situation. If admins notice a constant stream of bad jokes or provocative behaviour, at some point they will start taking actions.
Player 1 jokes about player 2, player 2 jokes him back. Admin bans player 2. Jokes were about other guys IG name.
Question:
was that the right thing to do?? Both said only 1 word, but only player 2 got banned? And why BAN, why no warn, kick, banana or tempban?
Ps. happened IG few min ago. I got SS if you dont unserstand from the text.
Imagine the following SituationIf the group is suspected they can open fire. If they are not suspected and open fire. it is bannable.
I'm a bog standard cop, SAPD Senior Officer etc, am patrolling with SMG and Deagle as standard etc...
I drive past Grove Street, and there are a group of about 10 people, Araatus and others, and practically every single one opens fire on me with Combat Shotguns, M4s etc.
Could this be considered bannable?
5. Do FBI Agents outrank ARPD Officers?yes6. Does this mean they can give them orders?yes9. Do FBI Agents outrank SAPD Officers?yes10. Does this mean they can give them orders?yes
While the answers are straight, unfortunately they do not take in account that this is valid only within the boundaries of role play. With the sometimes questionable attitude of several players, the line between an order and non-rp behaviour is hard to tell and has to be judged by the present players.
RP order : I am FBI Agent, we need this criminal for a federal case
Non-RP order: I am FBI, freecops GTFO
RP order: Take the suspect in for investigation
Non-RP order: Leave him alone you don't know how to play cop.
There are HUGE controversy over this question back and forth everywhere, but I'd like to hear an answer from a developer. Question: Being SAPD this bothers me. "Does FBI have control over SAPD/ARPD" or "Does SAPD/ARPD have control over FBI".As noted elsewhere, the outranking is to be done within the boundaries ofr resonable roleplay.
Ex: Being in a 207, or dangerous crime scene(murder) with suspectes still wandering around. SAPD arrives first as usual taking care of the situation as usual, then FBI arrives moments later WHAT concerns me is are they ranked high enough to control over SAPD and demand orders, as in "Alright FBI here, SAPD step back just secure the surrondings while we handle this." Why can't SAPD just take over things or atleast "cooperate with FBI" not just always letting FBI taking over every situation.
I would want a developer or manager,etc to answer this, thank you.
As noted elsewhere, the outranking is to be done within the boundaries ofr resonable roleplay.
This means that all involved will have to consider how such a situation would be handled in reality.
First of all the idea of SAPD securing the surroundings is not strange. Instead of camping wiating for a shootout, the roads leading to the area should be blocked, traffic diverted and houses evacuated so that nobody would be in the area except those directly involved on both sides.
FBI would not arrive with 20 people, but with a a maximum of 5, specialized in negotiations and profiling the criminals. The leader of the team would coordinate with the leader of the SAPD operation, and the leader of the SWAT team involved to liberate hostages.
FBI would run negotiations while SWAT would take tactical positions, and ARPD(SAPD) would secure the area.
So what is your exact probliem, ither than wanting to kill criminals ?
Personally, for certain FBI members I hold little respect for them.
I once pulled a guy over for speeding when I was an SAPD Cadet, and he showed his badge, and I got suspected by him.
I just want to know if FBI has the right to order around SAPD/ARPD. And if yes, why? Why not the other way SAPD ordering FBI?
tl;dr: It is always taken as the FBI leads everyone because they are the bridge between the suspects and the police forces, and the others teams would fail without this bridge
In my opinion, both should be allowed.If I needed players' opinions I'd post this somewhere else :poke:
If I needed players' opinions I'd post this somewhere else :poke:
Situation: A player gets pulled over by a cop and the cop insists you to turn you engine off, the player roleplays it with /me turns off the engine, but the cop insists you to do /engine to turn it actually off, player doesnt want to do that so the cop suspecs him for failure to comply
Opinion?
Situation: A player gets pulled over by a cop and the cop insists you to turn you engine off, the player roleplays it with /me turns off the engine, but the cop insists you to do /engine to turn it actually off, player doesnt want to do that so the cop suspecs him for failure to comply
Opinion?
'/ad' is allowed only for business advertisements and shout-outs via /ad are not allowed, right?
Scripts should NEVER EVER replace roleplay... As aragorn said below, most of police officers will feel endangered for that kind of suspects that always escape as far as they hear 'Pay the ticket sir' or 'Step off the vehicle sir', this still doesn't mean he can force on you the use of scripts while you already actually turned off the vehicle and complied with him.
(Reading what aragorn wrote i retract my previous answer, i was missinformed)
I intentionally raise my speed when I see a cop, so he will have a reason to pull over me and we can have some roleplay. I don't shoot and stuff like that, just the regular traffic stop RP.
Is this classed as cop baiting?
Why is /ad still $500 despite many people asking for it to be changed, with belief that it's currently at that price due to "flood".As i recall
Also, I heard rumors that you put lard / chicken fat in state Pizza shop milkshakes, is this true?No comment :devroll:
I intentionally raise my speed when I see a cop, so he will have a reason to pull over me and we can have some roleplay. I don't shoot and stuff like that, just the regular traffic stop RP.That depends on if you pull out a shotgun as soon as you manage to get suspected.
Is this classed as cop baiting?
That depends on if you pull out a shotgun as soon as you manage to get suspected.
First question of the year, will it take until 2013 to answer ? :P, find out sooner or later.We do not change something just because many people ask to. The price is determined to be balanced between enough for people not to flood it and low enough for new people to try.
Why is /ad still $500 despite many people asking for it to be changed, with belief that it's currently at that price due to "flood".
Also, I heard rumors that you put lard / chicken fat in state Pizza shop milkshakes, is this true?
That depends on if you pull out a shotgun as soon as you manage to get suspected.If you read it without bias, you will realise that I said "no shooting or such" and the point is not to get suspected.. So, no.
Why is it allowed to grow weed as Fireman or Medic, it is not making sense actually ? It's better if you don't do that..Firemen and medics can be suspected like any other citizen. There for there is no limitation on their ability to grow weed.
Is it allowed to say shut up to a cop in /L while youre a citizen (RP manner)? I know why and that it is wrong and disrespectul over main chat but I`m really confused if its wrong when its over /L since its RP stuff and not meant as something personally. Somehow I still got a kick for doing it over /L and I simply still cant see the issue of it. Can anyone bother explaining?Server rules: No flaming, no insulting, no provoking and so on. Telling anyone to ''shut up'' is an insulting itself and should therefore not be written. Find a better way to say ''shut up'' at so the reciever don't take it on the wrong way.
Is it allowed to say shut up to a cop in /L while youre a citizen (RP manner)? I know why and that it is wrong and disrespectul over main chat but I`m really confused if its wrong when its over /L since its RP stuff and not meant as something personally. Somehow I still got a kick for doing it over /L and I simply still cant see the issue of it. Can anyone bother explaining?One of the reasons why we do not make a difference between OOC and IC is that we do not allow flaming or insulting language. While you may feel this is a roleplay manner, many people misuse this to actually flame and trying to hide themselves behind the word roleplay. This is why it is disallowed.
One of the reasons why we do not make a difference between OOC and IC is that we do not allow flaming or insulting language. While you may feel this is a roleplay manner, many people misuse this to actually flame and trying to hide themselves behind the word roleplay. This is why it is disallowed.I am not sure, but I think I've heard before that it was allowed if both partners agreed for such RP and won't take it as insult, is that an option to choose from?
As usual, the context can make it accepted, but then it should be extremely clear and in such way that nobody around could mistake it for being an unprovoked flame.
I am not sure, but I think I've heard before that it was allowed if both partners agreed for such RP and won't take it as insult, is that an option to choose from?
Question : We are 5 guys at GS9, one of us is suspected and a cop approach him and start beating him and attempt to arrest him. Can we help the suspect ?
Pretty sure that it's been said in the past by Aragorn that tagged members are allowed to assist (as you can clearly tell who is with who).
Question : We are 5 guys at GS9, one of us is suspected and a cop approach him and start beating him and attempt to arrest him. Can we help the suspect ?As long as you do not shoot or beat the cop without warning you can help.
Since i9 has closed and they're now just 'ballas', can every balla aid the suspected balla?We are not a Team DM server.
We are not a Team DM server.
I think that if you give the cop good prior warning that "If you try to arrest or hurt my friend, I will try to stop you" then it's usually alright.Perfect example. Well said Panda. I think you nailed it there. :)
The problem seems to arise when a group of apparent bystanders suddenly open fire, something the cop often cannot hope to predict.
I know, but this is a difficult situation, because when a driver gets pulled over, a mafia member, with 3 other armed mafia members and the driver gets suspected and runs of, the passengers are allowed to shoot at cops, to prevent them from getting caught or killed. But when the ballas stand at GS9 and one of them gets suspected, the ballas helping him would seem as the whole group only DMs, although they are just gang members helping and protecting other gang members.First of all, if such scenario of mafia repeats itself frequently, expect them to be punished for copbaiting.
Do you see what I mean?
Ballas are roleplaying at GS9, what about Frank Hawk returning to the RP always at GS9? When he dies he just comes back to GS9.Isn't returning to the Roleplay scene not allowed? This question I bet many SAPD members and such are thinking.As it is his spawn location, as long as he stands idle and does not partake in what is going on until finished, nothing wrong with it.
Thank you
-Carlo.
Recently there was a shootout in my friends HQ, he died and spawned there, he had a sit on the couch and an admin Tempbanned him for Rejoining the RP, is that allowed?If it is unclear to players if he will join or not, which could lead to him being suspected, and he does not wish to leave the area then a tempban in a correct solution, as it guarantees he will not join either by his own will or by being suspected for his presence.
Situation - A fellow group member was killed by a person. We called him up and asked him to meet us and we won't hurt him, but if he doesn't we will find him and knock him down. He simply said "Don't do that or I'll report you, I don't want to RP". That was a bs reason so we thought of going to him. We saw him at the highway with his car parked and he was standing next to it. We blocked the front and back of the car and got out of the car (Note- we had not even pulled out weapon, just were going to talk to him.). He simply got into his car and escaped us. We later caught him but were told to stop by administrators. (This question is nothing related to administration, please note)Simply stated, if a user says they don't want to roleplay anymore, they can walk away from it, however...in the example you gave, it sounds like they were still roleplaying and just said that to escape unharmed. That would just be abusing the Server Vision out of context to get away without risk, which would be the equivalent of a suspected user who gets cornered by a cop saying they no longer want to roleplay so they don't get arrested or killed when they have no other options left.
Question is, you said that everyone is obliged to role play, but "I don't want to role play" - Is that a valid reason for us not to role play him? He already engaged in the role play by killing the group member and trying to escape us. Does this line "I don't want to role play" disallows us to role play with an individual every time he says it?
Right.They might just make everyone suffer until they buy them all back :lol:
With RS5 coming, we'll need a lot of cars because we won't have those if the reset is coming. How are you guys gonna do this ?
Will there be a special system, more temponary state cars ?
They might just make everyone suffer until they buy them all back :lol:
Right, then the point: How do you wan't to lose your members ? Doing that.How would you lose members?
How would you lose members?If there are no cars for anyone to drive then people will quit.
If there are no cars for anyone to drive then people will quit.If they are willing to quit because there are less vehicles available in the beginning then they don't deserve to play on the new scripts.
If they are willing to quit because there are less vehicles available in the beginning then they don't deserve to play on the new scripts.Thinking like that won't bring them back. You wouldn't hear an MMO dev say something like "well if they don't like the new patch then they don't deserve to play".
Thinking like that won't bring them back. You wouldn't hear an MMO dev say something like "well if they don't like the new patch then they don't deserve to play".True, but no one said the lack of vehicles would be permanent either. People just have to get over it until the server balances itself back out :lol:
True, but no one said the lack of vehicles would be permanent either. People just have to get over it until the server balances itself back out :lol:
Situation - A fellow group member was killed by a person. We called him up and asked him to meet us and we won't hurt him, but if he doesn't we will find him and knock him down. He simply said "Don't do that or I'll report you, I don't want to RP". That was a bs reason so we thought of going to him. We saw him at the highway with his car parked and he was standing next to it. We blocked the front and back of the car and got out of the car (Note- we had not even pulled out weapon, just were going to talk to him.). He simply got into his car and escaped us. We later caught him but were told to stop by administrators. (This question is nothing related to administration, please note)If a player does not want to roleplay, he should log out.
Question is, you said that everyone is obliged to role play, but "I don't want to role play" - Is that a valid reason for us not to role play him? He already engaged in the role play by killing the group member and trying to escape us. Does this line "I don't want to role play" disallows us to role play with an individual every time he says it?
Define: Revenge killing.Revenge killing is an attack that has other motives as roleplay.
Now if someone was to come to me, ruin my drug deal or something, and arrests me or something.
I would look to seek revenge, having them quickyl disposed of is good.
However is this revenge kill?
If it is it justs harms roleplay as commonly you would expect such a reactions, not everyone is as synister as me and goes to certain lenghts.
Also respond to
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=84311.msg1329833#msg1329833 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=84311.msg1329833#msg1329833)
Right.There are currently more than 600 state cars, so even with 500 players everyone should be able to find an empty car.
With RS5 coming, we'll need a lot of cars because we won't have those if the reset is coming. How are you guys gonna do this ?
Will there be a special system, more temponary state cars ?
There are currently more than 600 state cars, so even with 500 players everyone should be able to find an empty car.
In certain areas though, they are not spread out enough... I think. I recall some spots in the middle of Red and Bone County.Throwing some random farm vehicles, and old beat-up cars and trucks, out there here and there could solve that :lol:
If a player does not want to roleplay, he should log out.I understand that. The thing is, the player won't log out as you say and wouldn't even role play with us at the same time. This is the situation where i'm generally perplexed. We go to him and we are stopped by admins (again, not about admins. They are probably as much as confused as we are). So, should the admins rather tell the player to log out instead of saying us to leave the player alone?
On the other hand, you have to understand that a constant scenario of getting hit, shot at and kidnapped is just boring and people may get tired of it.
Why can't we flame ICly?
There are currently more than 600 state cars, so even with 500 players everyone should be able to find an empty car.
Right, prove me that 600.. Never found them.
Lol. I dont think gandalf needs to prove anything, I'm fairly sure he knows how many cars his own server has.
Right, prove me that 600.. Never found them.You make a list of every state car you find and where they are located. Then I will tell you which ones you missed.
You make a list of every state car you find and where they are located. Then I will tell you which ones you missed.
Right, prove me that 600.. Never found them.Not every single state car is found in LS.
Seriously, who walks up to a server owner telling him he doesn't know how many cars are on his own server, only to be unable to prove his own accusations?A player who is too lazy to walk to LSAP :lol:
Who walks up to a server owner telling him he doesn't know how many cars are on his own server, only to be unable to prove his own accusations?
If you cannot find even a decent amount of those state cars, then you are not looking hard enough.
How come when someone calls me a fag and I report him I get a warning?
How come when someone calls me a fag and I report him I get a warning?
How come when someone calls me a fag and I report him I get a warning?
How come when someone calls me a fag and I report him I get a warning?An admin in a rush may have also misread the report. Sometimes when people quote the user who flamed them in reports and they forget the quotation marks, an admin trying to catch all the reports at once may accidentally read it as if you were calling the flamer that name, and would warn you for it by mistake.
An admin in a rush may have also misread the report. Sometimes when people quote the user who flamed them in reports and they forget the quotation marks, an admin trying to catch all the reports at once may accidentally read it as if you were calling the flamer that name, and would warn you for it by mistake.Even if someone actually did insult the flamer in the report, a warn is not the correct course of action. A PM would be far more appropriate.
When robbers rob a bank, And they success. They run away ofc and then they get unsuspected. Are cops allowed to chase them or just let them walk ?Once somebody escapes the cops are no longer allowed to suspect them for the same crime.
Same with kidnapping.
I got a thing to say.If they manage to stay away long enough to lose their suspect, they should not be re-suspected for the same crime.
When robbers rob a bank, And they success. They run away ofc and then they get unsuspected. Are cops allowed to chase them or just let them walk ?
Same with kidnapping.
It depends on the situation...
1. If it is the mafia HQ and all mafia members are there, cops are trying to arrest one of them, of cos, nonsense if other mafia members will stand and watch it...
In this case members of mafia group will start to shoot back, trying to help the friend... It is ok...
Another question regarding this.This is by no means official, but as an Administrator from the past and a current player in the server, I've noticed that usually when you become directly involved like that, you can aid the suspected friend through roleplay to "defend" him in such scenarios since you are basically forced to either be involved, or go along for the ride...no pun intended. For the most part, it seems Administrators haven't minded such. It's a completely different scenario, however, if your friend is suspected in the same vehicular situation, you and the others aren't, and he's driving past cops not actively pursuing him and you open fire, or say a cop had blocked the road and he couldn't ram through the roadblock, but the cop was not actively firing on the vehicle you were all in or attacking it in any way, so if you opened fire, you would become the aggressor, just like in self-defense. I think that is why this has become such a controversial issue, since some things can be on a case-by-case basis with varying outcomes base on one's point of view of what really happened.
If, let's say, Danny Stracci is suspected and me, Scott and Stiven Stracci are not suspected and we are all in the same car.
Two cops come and start to DB our car and Danny is the driver. Can we, Stracci members who are inside the car, DB cops aswell?
Another question regarding this.Don't worry, you all will get suspected for "aiding" in no time!
If, let's say, Danny Stracci is suspected and me, Scott and Stiven Stracci are not suspected and we are all in the same car.
Two cops come and start to DB our car and Danny is the driver. Can we, Stracci members who are inside the car, DB cops aswell?
Another question regarding this.If you were in the care before the cops arrived you can return fire.
If, let's say, Danny Stracci is suspected and me, Scott and Stiven Stracci are not suspected and we are all in the same car.
Two cops come and start to DB our car and Danny is the driver. Can we, Stracci members who are inside the car, DB cops aswell?
What will stay what will go in RS5?Are you referring to the Coast Guard vehicles?
Will yellow boats and raindances go?
Don't worry, you all will get suspected for "aiding" in no time!+1 :lol:
+1 :lol:Yeah..
Are brothels legal or not? As sometimes, the cops are very unclear if it's or not. As today, we almost got suspected and shot to death forAt this time there is no law that prohibits prostitution. However you should be wary of related laws like indecent exposure that could cause someone to be suspected.
having "safe sex" inside of my business(Cockstop, El Corona) :lol:
If you have rp sex with a hooker on a streetcorner, it's different from being inside a private interior, especially your own business. If the cops enter the brothel, sex shop, house, w/e they should at least have permission from a supervising officer, instead of making that decision theirselves.Well I think that'd technically also depend on whether it's a public business, or a private home.
If you have rp sex with a hooker on a streetcorner, it's different from being inside a private interior, especially your own business. If the cops enter the brothel, sex shop, house, w/e they should at least have permission from a supervising officer, instead of making that decision theirselves.
Regarding the base of the matter :
If a cop engages you and then decides to run away, you are allowed to chase and shoot him, within reasonable limits. To chase him to the PD would be overdoing it.
Check the answers of developers topic for more in-depth explanations.
Due to this, unbanned however please try not to resort to flaming whenever you have an argument.
1. Are we allowed to engage in pursuits (as a civilian) to help our suspected friend (without shooting at the cops but getting the friend in the car and escaping)?I believe the answer is yes
2. Are we allowed to engage in pursuits and help our suspected friend by blocking the path of the police (without drive-by-ing/shooting at them)?
I can't find the quote of Aragorn/Gandalf. That's why asked.
ps. no moaning, email sent. just confirming here.
1. Are we allowed to engage in pursuits (as a civilian) to help our suspected friend (without shooting at the cops but getting the friend in the car and escaping)?
2. Are we allowed to engage in pursuits and help our suspected friend by blocking the path of the police (without drive-by-ing/shooting at them)?
Put the question to yourself,1. He's my colleague and we are in the same group? Everything was done under the rules (unless helping has now become a rule break.)
1. What's the reason for your behavior of doing so? What causes you to help that guy who surly needs your help?
2. Are you here to roleplay or are you here to make the cops angry and ram?
1. Are we allowed to engage in pursuits (as a civilian) to help our suspected friend (without shooting at the cops but getting the friend in the car and escaping)?
2. Are we allowed to engage in pursuits and help our suspected friend by blocking the path of the police (without drive-by-ing/shooting at them)?
I can't find the quote of Aragorn/Gandalf. That's why asked.
ps. no moaning, email sent. just confirming here.
It depends on the situation...Here you go mate.
1. If it is the mafia HQ and all mafia members are there, cops are trying to arrest one of them, of cos, nonsense if other mafia members will stand and watch it...
In this case members of mafia group will start to shoot back, trying to help the friend... It is ok...
2. Police is chasing some guy and suddenly appears a car with non-wanted civilian who started shooting them... Simply, cops can decide it is a deathmatcher/cophunter... Attack without a reason is not allowed... And this rule plays here not the best role... As for the criminal helper, so for admins who got reports and for sure will freeze you to get the reason of shooting cops...
How to help?
In this case (if you want to shoot cops back) the main target is to get wanted level... Get him into your car and try to get rid of chase... Cops will suspect you for aiding, then aub, your dream became be a reality...
With wanted level you are allowed to help any sort of criminals with any sort of help...
Why is such rule actually?
Well, you see blue nick of cop, you know he can shoot you if you are criminal... So do cops when see a wanted level of your nick... Both sides are equal and do not confuse each other, less misunderstanding, less reports to admins...
Can I roleplay a vigilante?I know I'm not a SA:MP Manager, just a LU one, but you may wish to elaborate on that a bit more so they can give you a better response. What exactly do you mean when you say a vigilante? To kill people? Arrest them? Be as if you are a volunteer cop? Police duty or non-police? :)
If yes, explain the little nuances for it not to rule breaking.
If no, why?
Manager+ Response only.
I know I'm not a SA:MP Manager, just a LU one, but you may wish to elaborate on that a bit more so they can give you a better response. What exactly do you mean when you say a vigilante? To kill people? Arrest them? Be as if you are a volunteer cop? Police duty or non-police? :)Not a volunteer cop, more like just.... a vigilante. You find bad guys and you deal with them with your OWN vision on how to do it, being above the law if necessary, BUT in the end staying on the justice's side and avoiding confrontation with police if possible.
Not a volunteer cop, more like just.... a vigilante. You find bad guys and you deal with them with your OWN vision on how to do it, being above the law if necessary, BUT in the end staying on the justice's side and avoiding confrontation with police if possible.If you can do it without interfering with cops or getting wanted, go ahead.
Hi, this is just a question and absolutely NOT a complaint or a pounce on anyone.As mentioned in your topic, it is common for some low-lifes to kill their buddy in order to get a wanted level and cophunt. There for it will depend on what and where you are (Balla in Idlewood = bad, farmer in desert = good - not a valuation of the players but fact of where you run the chance of being watched) as well as how often admins notice you wanted and involved in violence.
For example, me and my buddy, we're standing by our house, and then I decide to knock my buddy because I just feel like it, then he'll do the same and then no one will say a word.
Is this classed as DM or not? Because we're both notified about it and we're both on it. I've seen lots of admins doing stuffs like this. So that's why I'm asking.
If this is considered DM, is this really such a harsh rulebreak that people has to be kicked/warned officially? That's the question! Nothing else. :)
and do not be surprised if you get punished by admins.So at any rate I will not be able to lawfully roleplay a vigilante and hunt down criminals unless I do it without weapons and interfering cops?
So at any rate I will not be able to lawfully roleplay a vigilante and hunt down criminals unless I do it without weapons and interfering cops?Please read this again and see if this is what you meant to write.
While I do understand that I actually commit homicide and I will not seek peaceful getaway from Law Enforcers, I will still get punished because I hunt orange dots as a white dot? Even if I do warn about it?
Please read this again and see if this is what you meant to write.Yes.
So at any rate I will not be able to lawfully roleplay a vigilante and hunt down criminals unless I do it without weapons and interfering cops?This shows that you are not interested in playing a vigilante, but in the ability to shoot all players, regardless of who they are. And that is classified as DM.
While I do understand that I actually commit homicide and I will not seek peaceful getaway from Law Enforcers, I will still get punished because I hunt orange dots as a white dot? Even if I do warn about it?
This shows that you are not interested in playing a vigilante, but in the ability to shoot all players, regardless of who they are. And that is classified as DM.Quite a misunderstanding. Vigilante is not a vigilante when he goes against cops. I have no idea or any conception on where you thought that I would want to switch to blue dots?
If you play a vigilante, you would want to stay away from cops and hunt those that cops do not wish to bother. As you wish to side with the law, should you become wanted (which with creativity could be avoided) you would give up straight instead of switching from orange to blue dots.
As you explained it, you wish to hunt orange dots and after that blue dots. That is not playing a vigilante, that is maximizing your targets.
Situation:1. Run away and /hail or /hurt, see if the person reacts on roleplay
You are driving, normal and sunny day and you are heading to an important meeting. Out of a sudden, a person crashes into you. He highjacks your vehicle and explodes it. So, you're on foot now and go nowhere to go. Before you even get to do anything, that person start shooting at you. There are only one admin online at that time who are busy with other reports. You have shitloads of weapons on you, M4, Deagle, Shotgun, MP5, everything and you have even bought full armor. Examples of how to react:
- Shoot back and kill him.
- /Q to avoid loosing your equipment (abuse, I know)
- Stand still and pray for Sauron to hear you.
- Bunnyjump away so it'll be harder to kill you.
Remember, you were heading to an important meeting before you ran into him. What would you do?
However, are pursuing cops allowed to get on top of a suspect's car and kick the car (or hit it with any other melee weapon, such as a golf club) until it explodes?
Are cops allowed to order heroin on cop duty?
Are cops allowed to order heroin on cop duty?Although I am not allowed to respond here I'll do so anyways seeing as you haven't gotten an answer yet.
Alright, thank you very much for your response.idk if I am allowed to answer but I think that is allowed, evenwhile hes corrupt if it is not found out yet he can still use his "rights" to suspect someone if he really is doing the crime.
If the cop is told to leave the area and he doesn't, he can't suspect a player for any reason such as "failure to comply" or if it comes to the point where the player is shoot the cop down, the cop can't suspect for "assault" or something, correct? Basically if a police officer orders heroin, he can't suspect anyone during this roleplay because he is roleplaying corrupt? Correct me if I am wrong.
Alright, thank you very much for your response.No, cops are not allowed to suspect a player, and neither are they allowed to use their duty weapons to shoot players. There for trying to gain drugs while being a cop puts the cop at a clear disadvantage. He can not use weapons or commands, and can be suspeced from cop duty by superior officers.
If the cop is told to leave the area and he doesn't, he can't suspect a player for any reason such as "failure to comply" or if it comes to the point where the player is shoot the cop down, the cop can't suspect for "assault" or something, correct? Basically if a police officer orders heroin, he can't suspect anyone during this roleplay because he is roleplaying corrupt? Correct me if I am wrong.
Me and two other officers told suspect countless times to surrender by using /gu but he wouldnt cooperate so eventually I killed him nitestick. Admin later froze me and asked why I killed the suspect. I explained to him why and why I enforce suspects to use /gu as means of surrendering. He said it's not obligatory and when I asked how can admins enforce suspects not running away after doing /hail or saying they surrender, because there's no proof other than checking logs, he wouldn't explain it and just snap temp banned me for not listening to him. Is my temp ban justified? Where can i report admins? I couldn't find any forum section or links for such reports. Thank you.Without knowing the exact time and date it is impossible to say if your tempban is justified, as it depends on your attitude and how you replied to the admin as wel. As for forcing /gu, that is not allowed because suspects are not allowed to run away ot attack after surrendering. How admins are going to enforce that depends usually on if they have the time to spectate situations.
Is it allowed to use the fast reload thingy of regular shotgun where you release the aim key after you shoot to make the reload faster?Still...
I'm not sure if it's a game feature or a glitch. Clarifying it would save a lot of people.
Why isn't it that suspects must /gu and /hail or something doesn't count as giving up? A lot of players will /hail and then run away or jump out the cop car, not even RPing. This just puts more work for the players and admins...
Why isn't it that suspects must /gu and /hail or something doesn't count as giving up? A lot of players will /hail and then run away or jump out the cop car, not even RPing. This just puts more work for the players and admins...Because we expect out players not to be cheating bitches.
Because we expect out players not to be cheating bad girles.:lol:
I would also like to ask something else.+1
Yesterday, I was checking out a business with two associates in game, and one of them was a suspect. Two FBI members came armed with a FBI rancher, so the suspect decided to run inside the business and hide. As the FBI members were distracted and watching the entrance and preparing themselves to enter, I went and got a towtruck and took their rancher so the associate could escape. I mainly did this because one of the FBI members got on the state owned NRG and the other shot the tire, which I found unfair. After a while, an admin froze me and told me what I did was script abuse and I was forced to give up the rancher.
I don't understand how towing a truck is script abuse. Towing is not a script, it's a game feature. What I find script abusing with similar situations is players getting on locked bikes and moving left to right to prevent from being kicked off the bike and using some other script feature to give them an advantage for something that cannot be done.
Now, I also don't understand why this should be punishable. This is a RP server and you need to look at a RP perspective; I know that this isn't a RP server but hey, it's common sense. Why would FBI members leave a FBI vehicle some where unprotected? A FBI vehicle carries much arms which can be stolen by criminals, so someone should look over the vehicle while the others do the job. Another way it can be handled, is the police to catch the person who stole and simply just arrest them...
I would also like to ask something else.
Yesterday, I was checking out a business with two associates in game, and one of them was a suspect. Two FBI members came armed with a FBI rancher, so the suspect decided to run inside the business and hide. As the FBI members were distracted and watching the entrance and preparing themselves to enter, I went and got a towtruck and took their rancher so the associate could escape. I mainly did this because one of the FBI members got on the state owned NRG and the other shot the tire, which I found unfair. After a while, an admin froze me and told me what I did was script abuse and I was forced to give up the rancher.
I don't understand how towing a truck is script abuse. Towing is not a script, it's a game feature. What I find script abusing with similar situations is players getting on locked bikes and moving left to right to prevent from being kicked off the bike and using some other script feature to give them an advantage for something that cannot be done.
Now, I also don't understand why this should be punishable. This is a RP server and you need to look at a RP perspective; I know that this isn't a RP server but hey, it's common sense. Why would FBI members leave a FBI vehicle some where unprotected? A FBI vehicle carries much arms which can be stolen by criminals, so someone should look over the vehicle while the others do the job. Another way it can be handled, is the police to catch the person who stole and simply just arrest them...
Cops were inside an interior. Oh, and since when does everything in Argonath have to have a good description?
Well if you want to look at a RP prespective you should RP stealing the truck, not just use space and drive away.
Because towing isn't rp, it's a game feature as you said it yourself.Running, jumping etc. must also not be RP.
Correct. Or did you think that running and jumping all day is considered a roleplay?No, spamming /me running, /me jumps is RP. LoL at your comments man. I will just wait for a developer to reply...
Government vehicles are locked so that they may not be driven or stolen by others. Stolen goverment vehicles causes problems when members require them. These vehicles are locked by script and it is not possible to steal them away.
As far as I am aware of, towing away these vehicles is script abuse. As you are bypassing the locked script.
Walking, jumping or running is also considered Roleplay. If you think that typing the /me description is the only way to roleplay, then no. Some actions do not require such descriptive commands. Otherwise we would have to write /me takes a step, every time we walk for it to be Roleplay.
I don't think towing away the rancher after using /me tows the rancher, would make that an act of roleplay. Like I said, from what I'm aware of, it is considered as script abuse. And if something is against rules, you cannot roleplay it and make it allowed.
Deathmatching is a rulebreak. I can't roleplay being a person with a killing disease and start deathmatching people.
Also, like Antonio said, it's quite common that cops get in locked cars for 1 second and shoot the tires. Is it allowed? It's fine with unlocked or state cars, but what about personal locked cars?
Awaiting reply from a Dev. :3
I will just wait for a developer to reply...
Shooting while surfing any vehicle is prohibited.I don't understand why cops can bomb a boat that goes up to 100 km/h but nobody is allowed to shoot while on a boat. Also, if someone is shooting the boat, how are you supposed to defend yourself? At least it's more realistic than shooting while on top of a car...
I don't understand why cops can bomb a boat that goes up to 100 km/h but nobody is allowed to shoot while on a boat. Also, if someone is shooting the boat, how are you supposed to defend yourself? At least it's more realistic than shooting while on top of a car...Stop the boat and shoot
Really? Can not understand English?Well, do you understand English? I don't think so. Nobody prohibited James Bond from answering, it's his will. Antonio may read it or may not, it's his will. He still can wait for a developer's answer.
Alright, a question towards the developers.
There was a problem in the morning today.
I killed a guy and he went on cop duty, started chasing me.
I asked Pancher and Paul is that a rulebreak to get killed buy a guy, go on cop duty and chase the guy that killed you.
They said they don't know, I gotta ask Gandalf or someone else.
So my question is:
Can people when they die get on cop duty and chase the guy who killed them? Does this count as RK or is that allowed?
I was wondering if it is allowed for cops to run up to a suspect, spray him to 20percent health and then deagle shoot him one time. I mean, it's not the reason pepperspray was issued to all cops, right? It was used for unarmed suspects, not as a kill-assist. In short, to what extend are cops able to use pepperspray? If this question has already been asked or answered, sorry.
Sadly it is standard in Argo that cops runs up to you and sprays you too death or spray and shoot, even though you are stillstanding and doung nothing wrong.
Sadly it is standard in Argo that cops runs up to you and sprays you too death or spray and shoot, even though you are stillstanding and doung nothing wrong.I am sorry if I am not supposed to answer here, but
Ok, let's say that there are four family members at their HeadQuarters.It is not allowed to kill the cop unless he is shooting you. There are several methods to escape the HQ for the suspect without using the main gate, and as long as the cop does not fire on you there is no excuse for killing him.
A cop that has been stalking them from Los Santos all the way to San Fierro stops by the HeadQuarters and starts telling us that he will need to enter to arrest the suspect.
We tell him to leave and not to try to enter our HeadQuarters.
He doesn't enter in the property, but prevents us from escaping, sitting outside and we tell him to leave or he would end up bad, etc.
He tells us that he will not leave and we still give him some more warnings, then we give him five seconds to leave, but he still doesn't.
Can we shoot him because of that?
I don't understand why cops can bomb a boat that goes up to 100 km/h but nobody is allowed to shoot while on a boat. Also, if someone is shooting the boat, how are you supposed to defend yourself? At least it's more realistic than shooting while on top of a car...Do not use a boat for wars and give up as suspect, case solved....
Alright, a question towards the developers.If he chases you as suspect it is not revenge killing. However if you have lost suspect and he comes after you using an invalid reason and killing you, it can be seen as revenge killing.
There was a problem in the morning today.
I killed a guy and he went on cop duty, started chasing me.
I asked Pancher and Paul is that a rulebreak to get killed buy a guy, go on cop duty and chase the guy that killed you.
They said they don't know, I gotta ask Gandalf or someone else.
So my question is:
Can people when they die get on cop duty and chase the guy who killed them? Does this count as RK or is that allowed?
I was wondering if it is allowed for cops to run up to a suspect, spray him to 20percent health and then deagle shoot him one time. I mean, it's not the reason pepperspray was issued to all cops, right? It was used for unarmed suspects, not as a kill-assist. In short, to what extend are cops able to use pepperspray? If this question has already been asked or answered, sorry.Pepper spray can be used to neutralize a moving suspect. If a suspect however does not move or refuses to cooperater there is no reason to use it.
Question:
Why our friends cant help us when we are suspect ? like im suspect driving a car , and some cops start to chase me and my friends drive-by them
I think he can't do it until he is suspect too.What I heard, he/she isn't allowed unless he was involved at the very start of the roleplay.
Question:Because your friend has no RP reason to join into the situation. He is just cophunting by opening fire on them. Same situation would apply if no one was being chased, and you walked up to a cop and shot them.
Why our friends cant help us when we are suspect ? like im suspect driving a car , and some cops start to chase me and my friends drive-by them
Question:Because your friend have no reason to shoot.
Why our friends cant help us when we are suspect ? like im suspect driving a car , and some cops start to chase me and my friends drive-by them
What is the minimal thing a cop has to do so that it counts as engaging?
I have had numerous cases where I drive past a suspect and he starts blazing his guns at me and my police car usually ends up in flames. Even if I have no intention to engage on the suspect via verbal or physical actions does it still count as engaging? For example I drove to PnS without my sirens on with normal speeds and a man exiting from Idlewood burger shot (or was it pizza shack?) started shooting at my car and I ended up being killed.
Question about cops intentionally not suspecting fellow members/friends who were there from the start of roleplay:If they were clearly aiding in the drug-dealing and cops didn't suspect them too, that is a failure on the police's part.
I get suspected after a roleplay with cops for 'drug dealing' in example. There's 4 more people with me, who were there from the start. The cops do not suspect them although they're aiding and committing a crime as much as I am, so they would have a 'easy' kill.
Members/friends takes out their arms in a roleplay way aim at the cops without shooting and says: "If you open fire on my Boss/Friend, I'll open fire on you!"
Now this is an example of what we did in a complete roleplay manner, since the 'friends cant help you if they aren't suspected' is as I understand pointed out for random civilians who shows up from no where and attack cops, not people who were there from the start of roleplay, did commit a criminal act, roleplayed the entire scene, and informed the cops in again, roleplay manner about the threat from them. Adding to the fact that we actually roleplayed everything, unlike the cops who just did /sus and shot, I need a confirmation is this good enough from our side.
Thank you Sugar, but I want an answer from the developers.Not a problem.
Question about cops intentionally not suspecting fellow members/friends who were there from the start of roleplay:
I get suspected after a roleplay with cops for 'drug dealing' in example. There's 4 more people with me, who were there from the start. The cops do not suspect them although they're aiding and committing a crime as much as I am, so they would have a 'easy' kill.
Members/friends takes out their arms in a roleplay way aim at the cops without shooting and says: "If you open fire on my Boss/Friend, I'll open fire on you!"
Now this is an example of what we did in a complete roleplay manner, since the 'friends cant help you if they aren't suspected' is as I understand pointed out for random civilians who shows up from no where and attack cops, not people who were there from the start of roleplay, did commit a criminal act, roleplayed the entire scene, and informed the cops in again, roleplay manner about the threat from them. Adding to the fact that we actually roleplayed everything, unlike the cops who just did /sus and shot, I need a confirmation is this good enough from our side.
If a bunch of officer approaches a group by five people as you've explained here and only suspect one, then they should be aware that the associates might take not the matter lightly and will retaliate to save the suspected one. A mere example as you described here Cofi is totally fine in the context.Thank you for my future signature.
I'd like to report one of the admins. What's the procedure?Send an email into [email protected] if it's for SA:MP. For other servers, replace "samp" with the server's abbreviation. If it's a community-wide issue, send an email to [email protected]. :)
Is that email only to report Administration team members
can we also report players, who have done a major rulebreak, for example scamming, if no admins were online at that moment or the rulebreaker has left right after causing the problem?
Well.. Scamming depends on the situation. If it was loan or casino related, go to the courts.
A question to the developers about the [email protected] email.According to an older post I quoted awhile back for someone else, the email address is only meant for reporting administrative issues, since it goes to the Managers and above, all the way up to the Server Owners themselves. In the situations with players, who rulebreak when no admins are online, I've also heard conflicting statements about it. I would wait until a Server Owner steps in to give a final judgement on this one, as it has changed a few times over the years.
I have seen a lot of discussion about this, would like to get this cleared.
Is that email only to report Administration team members or can we also report players, who have done a major rulebreak, for example scamming, if no admins were online at that moment or the rulebreaker has left right after causing the problem?
Situation:
If a police officer approaches an idle suspect and warns him to give up, is the officer allowed to start using non-lethal force on the suspect i.E Fists or pepper spray? Is the officer allowed to continue this until the suspect dies? Because I believe the suspect has more than enough time to /gu before dying and it is his fault for not /gu'ing after getting the warnings,
Situation:I think it's allowed to do it... But sometimes, if the suspect is talking with someone he should let the cop know that he is are busy and /gu immediatly otherwise non-LF might and can be used. I think you better check the ARPD procedures.
If a police officer approaches an idle suspect and warns him to give up, is the officer allowed to start using non-lethal force on the suspect i.E Fists or pepper spray? Is the officer allowed to continue this until the suspect dies? Because I believe the suspect has more than enough time to /gu before dying and it is his fault for not /gu'ing after getting the warnings,
Yeah, using non-lethal force after warning is allowed so is using it until the suspect co-operatesAlright, because I got cop-banned for this and was told I was not allowed to kill the suspect and that I should keep asking him to /gu until he does...
Yeah, using non-lethal force after warning is allowed so is using it until the suspect co-operatesNot necessarily. You still have to give them a chance to comply first. If they don't, then you can use the lesser lethal force via a nightstick. If you just straight-up attack after warning, then it's seen as deathmatching because they don't even get a chance to react.
Not necessarily. You still have to give them a chance to comply first. If they don't, then you can use the lesser lethal force via a nightstick. If you just straight-up attack after warning, then it's seen as deathmatching because they don't even get a chance to react.Or give them a thump. Officers seem to forget we also have the ability to use no weapons and just fists but I recommend that you RP punching the person and not just keep hitting them until they die.
Or give them a thump. Officers seem to forget we also have the ability to use no weapons and just fists but I recommend that you RP punching the person and not just keep hitting them until they die.Yes, you can use fists as an alternative to the nightstick, but you still have to give them a chance to comply after the warning, as I mentioned before.
This is exactly what happened with me:Whoever copbanned you needs to review the situation again then. If what you said is how it happened, you did absolutely nothing wrong. I would suggest submitting a report to the appropriate location in regards to whoever issued the copban.
A player was suspected in front of LSPD for not complying(he was not really new) and with the aid of another officer, we both told him to give up multiple times. After the multiple warnings, he started running around after I had just punched him and then told him to give up again. From there, I started punching him and the other officer used the nightstick and started getting his health down to try to make him /gu. While he was at like 20 percent HP he still didn't give up, so we killed him with fists and nightstick. After that, I got cop-banned for five days for "death matching".
Whoever copbanned you needs to review the situation again then. If what you said is how it happened, you did absolutely nothing wrong. I would suggest submitting a report to the appropriate location in regards to whoever issued the copban.The reply that I got was that "I am never allowed to kill an idle suspect whether it's with a gun or a nightstick and that I should keep asking the suspect to /gu until he or she does so."
The reply that I got was that "I am never allowed to kill an idle suspect whether it's with a gun or a nightstick and that I should keep asking the suspect to /gu until he or she does so."Whoever told you that needs to be retrained then.
The reply that I got was that "I am never allowed to kill an idle suspect whether it's with a gun or a nightstick and that I should keep asking the suspect to /gu until he or she does so."That is wrong; this is giving a suspect possibility to never give up. If this was allowed, a suspect would be allowed to never give up and be pretty much untouchable. Lol.
And purposely do that to get the other player punished. After calling the person that told me this "an idiot", I got banned...Although you shouldn't have flamed him, you weren't in the wrong prior to this situation. If it was an admin, I'd suggest sending in an email to [email protected] explaining the entire situation. If it was a cop, shoot it over to the SA:MP SAPD section of ARPD Forums. Both areas will have multiple people reading it, so even if the person who copbanned you is able to see it, they won't be able to cover it up.
This is exactly what happened with me:
A player was suspected in front of LSPD for not complying(he was not really new) and with the aid of another officer, we both told him to give up multiple times. After the multiple warnings, he started running around after I had just punched him and then told him to give up again. From there, I started punching him and the other officer used the nightstick and started getting his health down to try to make him /gu. While he was at like 20 percent HP he still didn't give up, so we killed him with fists and nightstick. After that, I got cop-banned for five days for "death matching".
Situation: A cop is driving the cop bike, DBing from it (as driver). Permitted or not?
As it's the only bike the scripts actually permit to DB from, and no one's ever had any issues with that, I always assumed it was permitted, however I saw some apunishment(s) for doing that, so was wondering.
You are not allowed to DB as driver on people on foot, as it is kind a auto aim. You are allowed to shoot suspects in any vehicle with it (unless SAPD/FBI)I believe SA:MP SAPD has some rules regarding this, but you would have to check their forum section of ARPD Forums to find out what they are specifically.
AFAIK there are no other restrictions.
Situation: A cop is driving the cop bike, DBing from it (as driver). Permitted or not?
As it's the only bike the scripts actually permit to DB from, and no one's ever had any issues with that, I always assumed it was permitted, however I saw some apunishment(s) for doing that, so was wondering.
Cops fail to suspect the civilians who are obviously aiding (example: driving a suspect or sitting next to him). Cops are looking forward to an easy kill by not suspecting the aiders and getting them in a problem if they do protect a friend (suspect).If you were with the suspect, before he got suspected, but did not get wanted, then its the police fault, and your punishment should be expunged.
Coming out of nowhere and shootibg is not allowed, but being together with the suspect and not getting suspected, is that cop's fault or our?
I got punished by FlameMan because he didn't suspect me (the situation explained above was the one I've been in).
If you were with the suspect, before he got suspected, but did not get wanted, then its the police fault, and your punishment should be expunged.The first part doesn't really matter, as someone can pick up a suspect and it would still be the police at fault for not suspecting them.
Would like a clarification...
Shooting from boat, while someone is driving it, considered as carsurf or no ? Is it allowed ?
Would like a clarification...
Shooting from boat, while someone is driving it, considered as carsurf or no ? Is it allowed ?
Still waiting for a manager+ to answer here....
Shooting while surfing any vehicle is prohibited. Even if its a camera.
Is drive-by people on foot permitted, if you're not a cop? As far as I can tell, it's only been an SAPD/ARPD restriction, and even then it's permitted if you have no time to get out of the vehicle. Apparently there's been some confusion regarding it, so I'd love a clarification! <3That would be cophunting or deathmatching, depending on who you are doing it to.
You misunderstood it Sugar.I think it's clearly not allowed because DB-er gets lots of advantage over the person on foot. In most of case's the Drivebying person is in so much hurry that he forget's DB on anyone on foot is not allowed. DB on person on foot till death is rule breaking I guess and it's punishable too.
Let's say you're a suspect and I'm a cop. I'm on foot shooting your car, and you're inside a car drivebying. Is it considered rule break if you drive by a person who is on foot, which in this situation is me.
The topic is based on "Situations" and answers from DEVELOPERS...
So please do not start answer on questions in topic unless developers will not clear out their position...
Is it a rulebreak to kill yourself without any script to respawn? i.e Drowning, falling from a cliff, getting car killed, etc?
Is it a rulebreak to kill yourself using /kill?
So, I'm payed in a RP way, not /sethit, to kill a guy... The guy refuses to RP with someone who has a mask and Gun on his hand... the criminal warns the man, the man dies without RP from his side. I take my other half of money and a tempban too... Valid ?
Both no.Or if you are a suspect.
You get kicked if an admin feels you are in AFK in a location which obstructs players from conducting activities (ex. in a busy road) or if an administrator feels you have been AFK for a really excessive amount of time in some rare cases.
Or if you are a suspect.That wasn't the question he was asking. :roll:
Question : The Admin duty players why they own a houses and cars ? The dont even RP anywhere else only tak care of reports and fix bugs etc stuff. So,why they got all of best houses around SA and expensive cars abadoned cars at streets by owner of the guy who's on duty?
i didnt get only one think why ? Why admins need best houses ever around SA ? they didnt even do it anything else about house and cars , i suggest here to leave those places and let ppl take that specific good places.
Question : The Admin duty players why they own a houses and cars ? The dont even RP anywhere else only tak care of reports and fix bugs etc stuff. So,why they got all of best houses around SA and expensive cars abadoned cars at streets by owner of the guy who's on duty?And some admins even have their RP account, some others just RP on duty account when they have free time.
i didnt get only one think why ? Why admins need best houses ever around SA ? they didnt even do it anything else about house and cars , i suggest here to leave those places and let ppl take that specific good places.
Question : The Admin duty players why they own a houses and cars ? The dont even RP anywhere else only tak care of reports and fix bugs etc stuff. So,why they got all of best houses around SA
This is my house -
(http://i.imgur.com/sJmc74n.jpg)
What a palace.
This is my house -
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What a palace.
What is the minimal thing a cop has to do so that it counts as engaging?The minimal thing a cop has to do is to be within visual range, not on the map but in game. If a cop sees a suspect, he should give attention to apprehending him. You can not expect a hunted criminal to ignore a cop coming near them.
I have had numerous cases where I drive past a suspect and he starts blazing his guns at me and my police car usually ends up in flames. Even if I have no intention to engage on the suspect via verbal or physical actions does it still count as engaging? For example I drove to PnS without my sirens on with normal speeds and a man exiting from Idlewood burger shot (or was it pizza shack?) started shooting at my car and I ended up being killed.
A question to the developers about the [email protected] email.It is possible to report a rulebreak, however it should not be used for every rulebreak that was not handled.
I have seen a lot of discussion about this, would like to get this cleared.
Is that email only to report Administration team members or can we also report players, who have done a major rulebreak, for example scamming, if no admins were online at that moment or the rulebreaker has left right after causing the problem?
May I have the real answer about "Kill the DM'er to save your life"?You can kill a DMer who shoots at you without reason or you can report them. Do not do both, as you may be seen as the attacker.
I'd like a honest answer and not for post hunt only...Players are not allowed to carsurf in order to attack another player. Cops are no exception.
Situation 1:
The suspect chose to run on a Squalo which is parked at Verona Beach pier,very close to the sand and you can easily jump to the boat and run. Cops will either shoot you while you try to escape, while some others jump on the scripted pier and take the PD boat,which is way slower than Squalo, and follow you to the sea. Of course a wise cop will get a team with him or only one team mate and the team or team mate will shoot you with heavy weapons. The boat will eventually explode if you don't run to Disney, or the other way around to, Mordor. What if the suspect choses to stay close and within the map limits ??
Situation 2:
The suspect chose to run on a Squalo which is parked at Verona Beach pier,very close to the sand and you can easily jump to the boat and run. A new cop will not take the PD boat but jump on the Squalo also. While other cops shoot at you the only solution is running to heroin spot and eliminate the cope there, but from point A(verona pier) to point B(Heroin island in LS) the cop in your boat would have exploded your Squalo cause Squalo lose a lot of /carhp when they get hitted bu bullets, If you have armor you can live but if not you're dead as well as the cop.
/report ID Carsurf might work, but admins will say they didn't saw it... This is very understandable , why would the boat else explode ? I'd like something fair for both sides criminals and cops...
Situation:There are several scenarios possible here. First of all the main priority of the cop is to arrest a suspect alive. This means that killing a suspect is a last resort.
If a police officer approaches an idle suspect and warns him to give up, is the officer allowed to start using non-lethal force on the suspect i.E Fists or pepper spray? Is the officer allowed to continue this until the suspect dies? Because I believe the suspect has more than enough time to /gu before dying and it is his fault for not /gu'ing after getting the warnings,
Situation: A cop is driving the cop bike, DBing from it (as driver). Permitted or not?A cop on a bike has no alternative to damage another vehicle as shooting at it by driveby. This is why a cop on a bike is the only who is allowed to use driveby as driver, and only on other vehicles.
As it's the only bike the scripts actually permit to DB from, and no one's ever had any issues with that, I always assumed it was permitted, however I saw some apunishment(s) for doing that, so was wondering.
Cops fail to suspect the civilians who are obviously aiding (example: driving a suspect or sitting next to him). Cops are looking forward to an easy kill by not suspecting the aiders and getting them in a problem if they do protect a friend (suspect).Driving a suspect or sitting next to him is not obviously aiding. There is a possibility that the civilian is forced to drive by the criminal or being kidnapped.
Coming out of nowhere and shootibg is not allowed, but being together with the suspect and not getting suspected, is that cop's fault or our?
I got punished by FlameMan because he didn't suspect me (the situation explained above was the one I've been in).
Would like a clarification...It is considered as carsurfing.
Shooting from boat, while someone is driving it, considered as carsurf or no ? Is it allowed ?
Is drive-by people on foot permitted, if you're not a cop? As far as I can tell, it's only been an SAPD/ARPD restriction, and even then it's permitted if you have no time to get out of the vehicle. Apparently there's been some confusion regarding it, so I'd love a clarification! <3Driveby as driver is only allowed if you are a cop on a bike and have no other option to damage the vehicle you are pursuing.
So, I'm payed in a RP way, not /sethit, to kill a guy... The guy refuses to RP with someone who has a mask and Gun on his hand... the criminal warns the man, the man dies without RP from his side. I take my other half of money and a tempban too... Valid ?The hitman script was created to avoid players Dming under the guise of being a paid hitman. Avoid it at risk of punishment.
Is it a rulebreak to kill yourself without any script to respawn? i.e Drowning, falling from a cliff, getting car killed, etc?Dying or killing yourself is only a rulebreak if you use it to get out of a situation (example:being suspected) or as fast teleport.
Is it a rulebreak to kill yourself using /kill?
Dying or killing yourself is only a rulebreak if you use it to get out of a situation (example:being suspected) or as fast teleport.
In all other situations you can kill yourself as many times as you want. Contrary to real life where you can use it only once.
I want answer of this.It has already been answered by mail.
Q1. If you were afk in your house, is this rule breaking ???
Q2. In meanwhile when you afk maybe someone pmed you for CMB test or something and you not reply to him cause you were afk so you get kicked from server for bieng afk ???
When handling a hit, can a hitman call his friends for assistance as long as the victim knows they're assisting the hitman. Can a hit contract be done RPly and without the command /set hit being used given th victim knows the reason he's being attacked for?Once a hit has been set, the victim can use friends to protect him and the hitman can have friends helping him for a diversion. However to receive the money the hitman is the only one who can execute the kill.
My first question:1. If you get unsuspected when cops are on your bumper it is a script error that should be reported. The RHL should stop when cops are near you, which means you either are not giving a correct situation or you need to report a script bug.
I'm in a car with a bunch of suspected friends, assisting them. Suddenly my RHL is done and I get unsuspected automatically. At the moment I lost my suspection cops were literally on our rear-bumper and we decided to open fire (drive-by), as they were too.
My weapons got removed by FlameMan and I got warned for copbaiting. I had a discussion with FlameMan about the situation and he told me as soon as my suspection was over, I had to literally jump out of the car and continue my own way in order to not get suspected. Now I asked another admin to confirm this, and he said it was complete non-sense.
I'm confused.
My second question:
You was suspected by a cop, as an admin was near to the situation we both get frozen and after a conversation the admin decides to unsuspect me as the reason was invalid.
Suddenly the cop, who apparently disagreed with the admin's decision, stand behind me, scrolls to a knife and writes down something similar to ''/me takes out a knife, sliths Bundy's throat''. I was fast enough and intercepted his knife-kill. As I felt attacked, I decided to defend myself and killed him. Mark was standing next to me throughout the whole situation.
A few seconds later I got ajailed by iMarkz for deathmatching. After a discussion and clarification of the situation Mark still decided to stay in his choice (Which I respect of course), with the reason that a kill has to be RP-ed, and my self-defence reason wasn't a RP one.
I decided to confirm the situation and asked another admin. He said I was correct and Mark was wrong.
I'm confused again.
All though, when I was parachuting from Star Tower and died instead of doing a land, an admin told me "Continue and recieve a warning".
As soon as you are near a suspect you get sued for aiding.This is not a discussion topic, nor it is to be used to make sniping remarks about other players or administration.
Stivi Luciano joined the server and spawned in Las Barrancas as a suspect. He called us to pick him up so the cops do not catch him while he's on foot.Impossible to answer this without a logs. Be sure to have time and date it happened and report to [email protected]
Acika, Pro Rules, me and a few more members respond to his call, and when we have arrived there, we picked him up. There was 1 cop nearby, but none of us opened fire on him, not even the cop did.
Acika got warned for cophunting and provoking.
Could you explain me how was he cophunting?
1. If you get unsuspected when cops are on your bumper it is a script error that should be reported. The RHL should stop when cops are near you, which means you either are not giving a correct situation or you need to report a script bug.
2. As there was an admin standing next to you, you should have waited for him to take action against the cop. That way he would have gotten the punishment instead of you.
Impossible to answer this without a logs. Be sure to have time and date it happened and report to [email protected]
Hello there,The amount of players who have access to a Hydra or Hunter is very limited. Also they have regulations which prohibit use against someone who is speeding only.
Got a question, that I'd like it to be answered.
Q: Is it legit the use of Hydras and Hunters against criminals, who only have Combat, M4, e.t.c.?
Arguments:
- Hydra and Hunters are highly stong, and almost impossible to shoot down with Combat, M4, e.t.c....
- They are Aerial Vehicles, so they can easily move out of there if they are about to fall.
- If nobody can own a RPG and minigun, why are these vehicles allowed to?
:ps: I don't know if this is the right topic to make this question. Direct me to the right topic if it isn't, please.
FlameMan punished me as well for the same reason, I was inside the vehicle with 3 suspects, I lost the wanted level a few minutes before them, but I was still a part of the evading, but I've been told that I should have jumped out of the vehicle and head to the other side. Since I had no any arguments against that, the next day, when I got unsuspected, I jumped out of the car, and my friends kept going, but all of the cops who were after us, stopped and suspected me for aiding, and of course, killed me without even giving me a chance to surrender.Flameman is correct, however the second situation seems once again odd. If you were far away enough to lose your wanted level, what reason did you give cops to re-suspect you ?
As I have noticed, the only admin who's enforcing this kind of actions (to leave the car/building once you get unsuspected) is FlameMan, I guess you should explain him that part since I think he's making a mistake. If he is not, I'll apologize to him.
I cannot give you the exact time, but it was around 13:30 server time, today. Could you check that without me sending the e-mail?
1. If you get unsuspected when cops are on your bumper it is a script error that should be reported. The RHL should stop when cops are near you, which means you either are not giving a correct situation or you need to report a script bug.1. Well somehow my RHL was over while I was drive-bying a cop behind us. So I don't know if it was bad luck or just a scripting error.
2. As there was an admin standing next to you, you should have waited for him to take action against the cop. That way he would have gotten the punishment instead of you.
2. If I waited too long the cop would of killed me for sure, which is a shame as I was carrying weapons which would not get refunded.Your choice to carry the weapons. Your choice to kill the cop. Your choice to act in a way that deserved punishment. :cop:
There is a lot of questions related to "Criminal vs Cops" or verse, my question, is argonath made to have a big role caring suspects and cops, I mean, are the staff promoting this?Argonath never was and never will be a cops vs robbers server. However as many payers seem to suffer a lack of creativity they often do not find other ways of interacting with each other as by violence or helping friends.
It feels like this going on constantly, all the time and I would like to have a answer if Argonath vision is made upon being a lightweight version of cops and robbers?
I don't know if this is the right place to ask or anything (and this question is for G).Why did we open Argonath? Because we were not happy with the direction the community where we played was taking, and we wanted to make things better.
Why did you open Argonath? Why have put so much effort and money too make this? What do you "get" when you run Argonath?
Why did we open Argonath? Because we were not happy with the direction the community where we played was taking, and we wanted to make things better.
When we opened it I warned everyone that if we were doing this it was going to be a long term project, not something to be abandoned. We put in the effort and money simply because it is our hobby. Many people spend more when they go out to drink in one day, or on any other hobby.
What we 'get' is providing a place for people to meet and make friends from all over the world. People who can practice their skills for later in life, who can make mistakes and learn from them without having the strong consequences they would have in real life.
They imporve their English, learn to discuss and communicate with others, to manage resources and people, to cooperate and follow orders.
What we 'get' is providing a place for people to meet and make friends from all over the world. People who can practice their skills for later in life, who can make mistakes and learn from them without having the strong consequences they would have in real life.Well, I don't think anyone can disagree with that.
They imporve their English, learn to discuss and communicate with others, to manage resources and people, to cooperate and follow orders.
A large group of criminals come to you and ask for a large sum of money or otherwise they will kill you? They just start counting till 10 till you give the money and than they kill you, they don't respond anything else during the counting and kill you when it is over. Can this be considered as DM or a forced RP? Would this be acceptable or not?It really wasn't necessary to post that in all bolded yellow so no one could read it.
It really wasn't necessary to post that in all bolded yellow so no one could read it.
Example:
Situation metagaming.
Four people want to enter the FBI conference. The guard stops them with 'Corleones are not allowed'. They reply with 'How you know who we are ?' and 'something weriddo not metagamesomething weird.
Then they get in to a discussion on this.
I dont get this,
Criminal cant return to RP after got killed, but cops can do this. That is non-rp also not fair :/ So can anyone tell me what the diffrent is? Because this is not balanced.
If cops have rights to return after RP then criminal should have same rights.
We all know cops have /equip so they die and do /equip then return and all day long untill the criminal die.
But the poor criminal only got the equip they bought from ammo store.
Anyone see the point? Like i said not fair system. Just because they are cops........
FlameMan punished me as well for the same reason, I was inside the vehicle with 3 suspects, I lost the wanted level a few minutes before them, but I was still a part of the evading, but I've been told that I should have jumped out of the vehicle and head to the other side.
But once again note that this topic is not meant for specific happenings, but for general explanations.
I dont get this,Argonath is a role-play server, which means that it has the elements of an action movie. This includes the element that "good" will prevail over "bad".
Criminal cant return to RP after got killed, but cops can do this. That is non-rp also not fair :/ So can anyone tell me what the diffrent is? Because this is not balanced.
If cops have rights to return after RP then criminal should have same rights.
We all know cops have /equip so they die and do /equip then return and all day long untill the criminal die.
But the poor criminal only got the equip they bought from ammo store.
Anyone see the point? Like i said not fair system. Just because they are cops........
A large group of criminals come to you and ask for a large sum of money or otherwise they will kill you? They just start counting till 10 till you give the money and than they kill you, they don't respond anything else during the counting and kill you when it is over. Can this be considered as DM or a forced RP? Would this be acceptable or not?It depends on the reason why they did this. If they arrived without any prior history or reason why they would ask it, then it would be considered DM.
The problem with you was that you lost the wanted level and about 1-2 minutes later, when some cops appeared behind your friends' car, you (already as a civilian) opened fire on the cops.Why I am not allowed to open fire on the cops who are following the vehicle in which I and my suspected friend are (I'm a civilian)? We aren't split up, we are in the same vehicle which is dangerous since the suspect is inside, the cops SHOULD expect that we might open fire. If I decide to open fire, then I'm obviously aiding, how come is that considered as DM? It's the same if the cops suspect a guy inside his HQ, as Gandalf said, they should expect not to get attacked by the rest of the group (mafia). It's the same thing as being in a car, am I right?
I think I explained clearly, that you run from the cops (and successfully evade) not to get suspected again, do you? But obviously you forgot to mention that in your situation report above :P
Why I am not allowed to open fire on the cops who are following the vehicle in which I and my suspected friend are (I'm a civilian)? We aren't split up, we are in the same vehicle which is dangerous since the suspect is inside, the cops SHOULD expect that we might open fire. If I decide to open fire, then I'm obviously aiding, how come is that considered as DM? It's the same if the cops suspect a guy inside his HQ, as Gandalf said, they should expect not to get attacked by the rest of the group (mafia). It's the same thing as being in a car, am I right?Evading the cops until your wanted level is removed is one of the ways to end a roleplay, just as is being killed or being jailed.
Can you please explain me what kind of proof do you need to take action?Can you tell me WTF you are asking?
I have given the following proofs, which obviously weren't enough to the administrators:
Can you tell me WTF you are asking?He got killed twice by two people of the same group in a row, I guess.
He got killed twice by two people of the same group in a row, I guess.AFAIK thats DM, and he got killed thrice by the way.
A question: Are non-cops allowed to aid cops in chasing a suspect (shooting, drive-by etc.) or would that be DM?
Keep in mind there was no RP involved, just plain blue chasing orange.
1. Are cops allowed to chase suspect in non PD vehicle like NRG or Infernus?1. Yes
2. I heard that shooting with big ping to make advantage over others is not allowed, is that true?
Can you tell me WTF you are asking?I ASKED what kind of proofs do you guys need to take action on something which is OBVIOUS?
He got killed twice by two people of the same group in a row, I guess.If he gave evidence in the same way he asked, no wonder admins did not reply... ;)
A question: Are non-cops allowed to aid cops in chasing a suspect (shooting, drive-by etc.) or would that be DM?Only if they have been given special permission by the present law enforcement to do so. This permission is given on a situation-base only, and once the situation for which permission was given ends, so does their permission.
Keep in mind there was no RP involved, just plain blue chasing orange.
I ASKED what kind of proofs do you guys need to take action on something which is OBVIOUS?I think Janek couldn't prove they killed you twice in the same situation. It could've been that you got killed by the first Scotto member first, and in abother RP got killed by the second member. Which is of course very unlogical, but yeah..
Do you need a video with the logs and possibly what they were speaking on TS/Skype while that was happening? This obviously isn't enough for an admin to take action, you can see from the SS.
You did not understand me for the first time, my question is: What's the proof that you need in these kind of situations?
If he gave evidence in the same way he asked, no wonder admins did not reply... ;)
I think Janek couldn't prove they killed you twice in the same situation. It could've been that you got killed by the first Scotto member first, and in abother RP got killed by the second member. Which is of course very unlogical, but yeah..
I ASKED what kind of proofs do you guys need to take action on something which is OBVIOUS?
Do you need a video with the logs and possibly what they were speaking on TS/Skype while that was happening? This obviously isn't enough for an admin to take action, you can see from the SS.
You did not understand me for the first time, my question is: What's the proof that you need in these kind of situations?
What we need is a complaint with enough detail such as dates and times so it can be checked, your screen shot shows you have been killed three times by three different people all in the same group which suggests possible revenge killing but the screen shot does not prove it; for example the screen shot does not show whether you attacked them first. So for us to establish rule breaking on their part we would need to a complaint from you, sent to [email protected], with details of the event at which point we can properly check.
Regarding the response of admins in-game, this will vary depending on the number of admins are present and the amount of players online. There is no guarantee that reports to admins in-game will be resolved to your satisfaction 100% of the time.
I ASKED what kind of proofs do you guys need to take action on something which is OBVIOUS?Having seen the situation by yourself is the single and only valid proof.
Do you need a video with the logs and possibly what they were speaking on TS/Skype while that was happening? This obviously isn't enough for an admin to take action, you can see from the SS.
You did not understand me for the first time, my question is: What's the proof that you need in these kind of situations?
Ok now has happened a lot recently. When you die on a famiyl/gang war, are you allowed to go back if there is another "meeting" ? Someone told me that 2hours have passed so they can come back ? I know it doesn't show their bravery, but still getting DMed by ghosts and zombies isn't fun.
If the current role-play situation is still on-going that you died in you cannot return. After the role-play is over there are opportunities to start a new role-play scenario but it shouldn't be with the intentions to get revenge from the previous one, bear that in mind.Oh, I didn't die....
Ok now has happened a lot recently. When you die on a famiyl/gang war, are you allowed to go back if there is another "meeting" ? Someone told me that 2hours have passed so they can come back ? I know it doesn't show their bravery, but still getting DMed by ghosts and zombies isn't fun.There is no time limit or any other limit on meeting someone once a roleplay situation has ended. However if the same people are constantly meeting, they can be punished for revenge killing.
Violence is not a necessary component of roleplay.If we had less supermans on the server, I'd agree with you.
If we had less supermans on the server, I'd agree with you.We don't have "Supermans" on the server. We have players that think killing is a productive way to end a roleplay every single time. Being one of them doesn't excuse complaining about it. If you don't want them to all kill each other all the time, then you need to make sure you aren't doing it either. Lead by example, and over time you can make a difference.
Ok now has happened a lot recently. When you die on a famiyl/gang war, are you allowed to go back if there is another "meeting" ? Someone told me that 2hours have passed so they can come back ? I know it doesn't show their bravery, but still getting DMed by ghosts and zombies isn't fun.Generally that kind of thing is worked out between the warring groups, so that there is no confusion on either side.
Hello,First of all, you will need to teach yourself a better discipline if you wish to go through life. If you need to study instead of spending time with your GF, will you break up the relationship? If you need to spend less time in the dance club, will you get yourself expelled ? Do not burn your bridges but learn to control yourself.
I recently banned myself in order to prepare for my upcoming exams. The reason to ban myself as I find myself rather 'addictive' to the server and I really needed this and it actually worked. I have done so much revision I am very confident in achieving a B+ grade. I recall getting banned for the same reason about a year ago?
First encounter - Money Hacks. I had enough of the legit money I earned, I DIDN'T want hacked money. I just wanted to see how does it work (the money you ''spawn'' only remains on the screen). It was more lets say of a experiment. I did explain that on my unban request. First Unban Request (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=86406.msg1378083#msg1378083[/url)
Second encounter - Money hacks. This time it will link with the opening paragraph. I really needed to ban myself in order to study. Real lifes does take priority. I DID ask the admin ingame at the time kindly (Qsens) if I could request a ban but he denied which resulted in 'hacking'. Even at this stage, I don't need the money. I didnt want it to go that far in terms of me 'hacking' but my kind favour was denied. You may say shit like 'Uninstall SAMP' and all that but I am 100 percent sure that will not work. The main thing I am here for is will I get a unban for committing the same ''crime'' twice, a year later?
First of all, you will need to teach yourself a better discipline if you wish to go through life. If you need to study instead of spending time with your GF, will you break up the relationship? If you need to spend less time in the dance club, will you get yourself expelled ? Do not burn your bridges but learn to control yourself.
I am of course happy that Argonath is so addictive you will be banned here and do not get yourself banned from all SA:MP servers....
As for getting unbanned, it will depend on all of your punishment history, and when you will place the unban request. At the time you place the request, the manager that will look in to it will decide it, and if your record is not too bad in general you can be unbanned.
However you will have to uninstall the hacks, as we do not allow people having any modification installed that gives advantage over other. Not using them is no excuse. And hopefully you will find a way not to have to install them again next year.
A question involving Drive-bying and suicide as a suspect.It has nothing to do with how fast your car is.
It starts with me becoming a suspect and i try to evade, i get chased by cops that dont DB, now this usually means it will be a good chase. Then there are the dbing cops, oh man i hate them with a passion, not the players but the dbing and on some occasions when the cops destroy my car with db, i dont get out even though i have time. I have been warned for this and i know it is a rulebreak.
So i read the Arpd/Sapd regulations (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=28421.0 (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=28421.0))
Now i thought, i like a good chase now and then so i bought myself a Greenwood (max speed around 141-145 Km/h)
Did this stop the dbing? No it did not, but then again i dont know what i expected. Why would i give up to a cops that db a slow car like this when every law enforcement vehicle can catch up with this car easily? People might think this is silly but some people like a good chase both criminals and cops. So when they db this slow car into pieces, why cant i be allowed to be in it when it exploads? Why should i let them get their money?
Does roleplaying a kill counts as a regular kill(via weapons and a crime is issued)?Can I have an answer regarding this, Gandalf(Or any other administrator/developer)?
I have recently 'executed' someone via pointing my deagle into his face and then interacting with him as a bullet has been fired(I didn't fire anything, I just said so in a /me, although I had enough bullets to kill him and he agreed on the kill being valid). After killing him(RPly), he then returned to me with a bunch of guys from his 'family' an claimed that roleplay a kill doesn't count as a valid one as it had no script support.
My question is(Plus the one above):
Did he break the revenge killing rule?
To Gandalf, I don't know where to post it but let it be , Couple of days ago I have been thinking about what if RS5 didn't success as RS4 and Argonath started losing players (Both situations I'll still be a addict player of Argonath), What would be your action ? Just a regular question.
David Knight <3
The topic is based on "Situations" and answers from DEVELOPERS...
So please do not start answer on questions in topic unless developers will not clear out their position... Do not start long discussions about this or that situation... The answer from developers is the first and the last... Instead of taking a topic as arguing read the "solutions" suggested by developers and try to understand what it is about... Do NOT use this topic for complains... It is ONLY for clearing up situations for less misunderstanding of players and admins actions...[/b]
What if: You want to /gu but since Deagle makes 41-46 damage, the armor/health goes down pretty fast,the moment you type /gu, your HP is low.... :| Is that script abuse ?These days there has been a change in the script that sets your HP higher when you /gu, but try not to /gu at low hp still.
Does roleplaying a kill counts as a regular kill(via weapons and a crime is issued)?Yes he did. If he dies by script, by his own doing or by someone else, or even if he agreed to be dead but did not die within the script, he can not return as being alive, unless someone notifies you in roleplay.
I have recently 'executed' someone via pointing my deagle into his face and then interacting with him as a bullet has been fired(I didn't fire anything, I just said so in a /me, although I had enough bullets to kill him and he agreed on the kill being valid). After killing him(RPly), he then returned to me with a bunch of guys from his 'family' an claimed that roleplay a kill doesn't count as a valid one as it had no script support.
My question is(Plus the one above):
Did he break the revenge killing rule?
To Gandalf, I don't know where to post it but let it be , Couple of days ago I have been thinking about what if RS5 didn't success as RS4 and Argonath started losing players (Both situations I'll still be a addict player of Argonath), What would be your action ? Just a regular question.Starting with RS5 players will have a better way of presenting their ideas.
David Knight <3
Should players be punished for matters discussed in PM?Server rules are valid for all forms of communication. That includes PM and TS.
So let's say I just had an incident with admin X, where I didn't like his actions, so I decide to talk about it with my friend, player Y, so I PM player Y saying: Admin X is an abuser, I don't know how he's still in the admin team, for example. Then an HQ member sees this message by any chance, is he allow to punish me as I'm being disrespectfull towards admins, or are we allow to share our thoughts freely with our friends within private messaging system, which should be a tool we could trust, as some people I know disucss personal IRL matter throught the game's PM. Please give a clear answer. Thanks!
Does [email protected] really work?You already know the answer. Anyone telling it does not work has never sent a mail there.
I have two cases in which I really need taken care of, I am currently furious at the result of the two cases.
"Giving up (/gu) at the last moment when one sees that he won't be able to survive is script abusing?"This has become an issue again due to a recent change in SA:MP that removed the player being invulnerable when frozen.
Can someone explain this to me? Properly?
My question is almost the same as Timon'sRoleplay should not revolve about endless cycles of killing, there for such a scnario is only allowed if it is played out, and contains a clear ending.
In example you killed some guy that is in crime family, his mates that are in family are seeking for revenge, so they call all other families that are in good relations and have no idea what happend to kill the attacker
Is that allowed?
Starting with RS5 players will have a better way of presenting their ideas.That's the point , Thanks for giving us that great chance Gandalf, In both cases i'll still be an addict player here, So that's it, Thanks
As for success, some players might like how we change things, others might not.
However scripts are just a minor part, even if we put in a lot of thought, time and effort. The most important part is interacting with others and meeting people from around the world.
Does [email protected] really work?
I have two cases in which I really need taken care of, I am currently furious at the result of the two cases.
Okay, I've recently seen players admit that they're hacking just to get banned due their "addiction" to Argonath. Also what I've seen on bans in bans logs, that players would get banned for "requested" (not requsted by another admin) or something similar (those bans were from 2009 or similar).While we understand there is a level of addiction, at the same time there are 10k servers and to get banned from all would take longer as your entire study.
My question is, can players get banned for request? Since what I've seen nowdays, answer would be no, admins do not ban people for request nowdays, and players are being annoying to them keeping asking them same question until they falsly admit hacks and get banned.
Okay, I've recently seen players admit that they're hacking just to get banned due their "addiction" to Argonath. Also what I've seen on bans in bans logs, that players would get banned for "requested" (not requsted by another admin) or something similar (those bans were from 2009 or similar).Belive it or not, but i find that so Immature, so what because you cant stop playing you request to get banned, and then you get declined so abuse the admins etc. and get banned? People who do this should have a much longer ban, as it is for one just stupid, and 2, admins work their ass off every day to look after everyone on the server making sure they have a good time, and play with no worry's, and then these silly immature people do this while the admins are trying to do thier work.. ;)
My question is, can players get banned for request? Since what I've seen nowdays, answer would be no, admins do not ban people for request nowdays, and players are being annoying to them keeping asking them same question until they falsly admit hacks and get banned.
If a suspect is running away from cops (on foot), are random players allowed to come up to them in a car and start aiding them by giving them a lift? (some admins have told me its not allowed, but I would like a definitive answer).Yes. It is however not allowed for random players to attack the cops or the running suspect.
If the suspect's running on foot, someone comes to pick him up and flees. He's clearly aiding but cops fail to suspect him, is he allowed to shoot if they both have no other chance but giving up or shooting the cops, hoping to remain alive ?If you hope to remain alive and are not suspected, why would you shoot?
If you hope to remain alive and are not suspected, why would you shoot?DM por vida! :m4: :sig:
DM por vida! :m4: :sig:But you are contradicting yourself here.
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Joke...
He asks for help, we're family members, we know each-other IRL, we're close friends IG, he's my drug dealer, etc. Multiple reasons...
Alright, cops do this all the time. They get into a locked car, and somebody else shoots the tires, so the suspect(s) can't escape.I will tell you from my own experience, yes, it is a script abuse.
Isn't that script abuse ?
I'm talking about bikes, as if you get a tire out, it's very hard to control the bike.
You can drive bikes, locked, until 40km/h and if you pass that speed limit, the script forces you to leave that bike. When cops get into these locked bikes, they're supposed to get out, but since they can drive it until they reach 40km/h they carjack you and drive away, low speed. Or, they get into the bike, drive on low speed until the other cop shoots the tire(s). The same goes with cars, but you can control them even with 4 tires out. If that is script abuse, shouldn't it be punished ?
I'd like a response from developers+.
Alright, cops do this all the time. They get into a locked car, and somebody else shoots the tires, so the suspect(s) can't escape.
Isn't that script abuse ?
I'm talking about bikes, as if you get a tire out, it's very hard to control the bike.
You can drive bikes, locked, until 40km/h and if you pass that speed limit, the script forces you to leave that bike. When cops get into these locked bikes, they're supposed to get out, but since they can drive it until they reach 40km/h they carjack you and drive away, low speed. Or, they get into the bike, drive on low speed until the other cop shoots the tire(s). The same goes with cars, but you can control them even with 4 tires out. If that is script abuse, shouldn't it be punished ?
I'd like a response from developers+.
A player locks their vehicle so no one can enter it. Having two officers for this - one shoots the tires, and the other gets in and out of that vehicle rapidly is not allowed.I'll only abide by this if a rule is also implemented that disallows /exit'ing in the middle of a room.
i would like to ask something and i hope you dont delete my it.It has been a long time practice that we do not set any new ammunations, and that will remain the rule.
i always asked admins to set me ammunation on blueburry , it got Exterior of ammu and admins refused , and Property admins refused.
Then Mr remo comes , and get an Ammu in rodeo and it doesnt have exterior of ammunation. and Gandalf set it by himself. Are they Members of 1st class ? arent we all equal.
You guys said , no ammunations can be set , and here you guys go and set him an ammunation.
Please , dont delete the Question.
I'll only abide by this if a rule is also implemented that disallows /exit'ing in the middle of a room.Can we ban you now?
i would like to ask something and i hope you dont delete my it.For the record, Blueberry already has one.
i always asked admins to set me ammunation on blueburry , it got Exterior of ammu and admins refused , and Property admins refused.
Then Mr remo comes , and get an Ammu in rodeo and it doesnt have exterior of ammunation. and Gandalf set it by himself. Are they Members of 1st class ? arent we all equal.
You guys said , no ammunations can be set , and here you guys go and set him an ammunation.
Please , dont delete the Question.
I'm confused about forcing roleplay.
People don't want their growing weed to be stolen, but I want to roleplay stealing the weed. Can I do it? Of course nobody wants to be robbed, but I'm roleplaying that, so is that forcing roleplay?
I'm not into actual weed or actual cash. Even if they RP giving it, its fine, but if they don't roleplay and I insist, is that forced roleplay?
Also, if the guy is RPly misbehaving with me like, "You don't know who I am!! I will get you for this!! I'll kill you!!", am I allowed to kill him ? That's not DM right ?
Are we allowed to TAB down if the helicopter we are currently sitting in disappear? Since the owner of the helicopter either crash/logout...
Are we allowed to make other people laugh?
this is serious question since i got tempban for being comedian
Shooting while surfing any vehicle is prohibited. Even if its a camera.
Hi all
This post relates to "car surfing" which is standing on top of a moving vehicle.
Part 1: Engaging in combat while car surfing is prohibited. Car surfing itself is allowed, but you may not engage others in combat while doing it. The reason for this is it would allow the use of highly unrealistic and imbalanced weapons platforms that would be extremely difficult to counter.
Part 2: Police may not attempt to catch a suspect by car surfing on top of the suspect's vehicle. This means that not only are police not permitted to do damage to a suspect's vehicle while car surfing on it, but they also may not stay standing on the suspect's vehicle while the suspect is attempting to escape in it. The reason for this is because doing so gives the suspect no chance to escape.
Thank you.
Kojak
Okay in fact I would like to know what the right action in a situation is .I got one question related to this as well.
So I am growing my weed and about two minutes have passed and I know that in a bit the weed will pope out . A guy comes and totally fails to RP and simply stands at the spot and obviously presses all the time /harvestweed . Now I from my side am unarmed so pretty much taking him down with my fists will take long enough for him to steal my weed . So what do I do? I ask him to leave and such and he simply keeps ignoring and trying to take the weed .
Also I would like to know what should I do when I do have a weapon . So I can kill him but he totally fails to RP , and ignores my tries to scare him away .
Okay in fact I would like to know what the right action in a situation is .
So I am growing my weed and about two minutes have passed and I know that in a bit the weed will pope out . A guy comes and totally fails to RP and simply stands at the spot and obviously presses all the time /harvestweed . Now I from my side am unarmed so pretty much taking him down with my fists will take long enough for him to steal my weed . So what do I do? I ask him to leave and such and he simply keeps ignoring and trying to take the weed .
Also I would like to know what should I do when I do have a weapon . So I can kill him but he totally fails to RP , and ignores my tries to scare him away .
I got one question related to this as well.
I'm at a weed spot and plant one seed - this guy shows up and simply runs around and types /harvestweed continuously to steal my weed.
The question is; is he allowed to steal my weed with no interaction or roleplay at all or is it considered a rulebreak?
I have seen a lot of people saying it is allowed and some other people it isn't.
Thanks in advance.
Okay I have a similar question too. Happened to me so many times.
I go and roleplay stealing weed. Take out my gun, aim at the guy and ask him to leave or I'll shoot him.
He fails to roleplay at all, stands there and spams harvest weed.
Or simply scrolls a combat and shoots without roleplay.
Is the lack of roleplay on his part, both when shooting or when spamming harvestweed allowed?
Also, if he fails to comply with me and just stands still, can I kill him?
Answer about my post
As you understand your answers aren't really a solution as almost all the times the Stealer will get away with just a simply death , which will probably be nothing for him (if he is unarmed for sure).
Therefore I would like to know if there is any better solution , to make sure that I don't lose my weed but at the same time keep obeying all the Argonath RPG Rules.
Thanks in advance.
No, there is no better solution. What you want is risk free drug growing, I'm afraid we do not offer that. The only way to ensure that no one steals weed from you is to not grow it.
Shooting while surfing any vehicle is prohibited. Even if its a camera.I'm guessing this is the answer to my question.
I do not ask resk-free weed growing . I just wish that there were some special rules maybe for such situations ... like if a RP starts on the drug spot nobody is allowed to collect until one of the two parties leaves the scene(even if he dies or simply choses to leave/run away) . When I see two people over a drug spot spamming /harvestweed .... The last thing that comes in my mind is that im playing on an RPG Server . Something should exist for such cases , and I am impressed that it doesn't.
The whole Roleplay to assure that my weed is not stolen takes much more time than I have at that time
Why don't all admins act the same? Should they? I don't know, but sometimes players can feel unpleasant as I've been in those situations sometimes.
Define what you mean by "act the same", this could mean many things(it'll make it easier for devs to answer your question)Alright, here's an example:
Why don't all admins act the same? Should they? I don't know, but sometimes players can feel unpleasant as I've been in those situations sometimes.
Alright, here's an example:
As far as I know, using ELM as civilian is prohibited, when I've seen guy doing it, I reported and waited for admin to respond. Moment later, admin PM's me with something like "It is allowed to use it, don't report for that.", so I though, okay, I won't argue with him proving he's wrong, so I did it myself. I went off duty, and drove around with turned ELM on as civilian. Some time after that, at the event space, there was "Using ELM as civilian is not allowed" or something like that. This is what I meant, or that all admins should have same way at looking at something. One time, I've been told something like "All admins don't act same", but I think they should, so it is more comfortable for players.
This is a role-play server, we're not going to create rules to help people not role-play.
I am starting to believe that you didn't really read my post . I gave an idea about how more RP could be made out of this as at the moment many people simply choose to spam /harvestweed . I spoke about a "rule" that would not allow anybody to harvest the seed while a RP was taking place on it . So if a guy passes by and without RP at all spams /harvestweed while ignoring me for like 1 minute and leaves . He will have to put it back and RolePlay or leave.
If you think that my idea is about helping people not role-play. Then I simply give up on trying to get anything better . I clearly am a totally fool person if my idea is doing what you said....
I would like to know whether or not shooting someone or a vehicle from on top of a vortex, while a driver is IN the vortex allowed? I was in a situation just few minutes ago where the police were giving all they had in order to arrest or kill me. I was fleeing on a boat, and in order for me to shoot, I had to exit/re-enter the boat. After a few losses from their side, a vortex comes with one police officer on top and of course a driver. The one on top shot my boat down WHILE the driver was still in the vortex, and while it was still moving. Pancher was present with a helicopter and said it was allowed because "the vortex was not moving".
1) While going even just 50 km/h with a vortex, you have no chance of completely stopping it within 5-10 seconds.
2) EVEN if it was stopped, they still have an advantage because unlike myself, they don't have to enter/re-enter to shoot, so it's basically car surfing.
3) A vortex is not a boat.
That's all, please give a reply ASAP.
Please tell me if these two situations are allowed.
1) Suspect escaping on a boat. He notices cops on a boat behind him. At full speed, he presses eject so his player moves out of the driving seat. The boat starts slowing down, but yet still moving. The suspect uses this time frame to shoot the cops. After a few rounds when the boat is a bit too slow, he presses f, gets in drivers seat and speeds off. Continues this in an attempt to shoot cops and evade.
During the time of his shooting, his vehicle was moving and not stationary. It takes a while to come to a halt because the suspect isn't using brakes and let's the friction stop the boat.
2) 2 Cops trying to stop a suspect on a boat. The cops coordinate, the driver presses the brake, brings the boat to a halt, and the other cop shoots him while the boat is slowing down. After a few rounds, one cop stops shooting, and the driver starts driving.
What is the new IP of argonathRPG?Depends on the server. SA:MP uses either samp.argonathrpg.com or world.argonathrpg.com. All other servers use world.argonathrpg.com.
Am I allowed to flip unused cars with my monster truck?
As far as I'm aware, it's not allowed by anyone to drive-by from a car (as a passenger, but neither is it allowed for the driver of course) to a person. Meaning, if someone is in a car, he may not shoot at someone that is not in a vehicle.
I've seen a lot of people ignoring this rule (a lot of _Stracci to be honest) and I was wondering what was up with the rule.
An admin just mentioned the following rule:
If you escape while your friend is still suspected, you are supposed to leave him.
This is not correct, right?
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=96950.0Could you please give me the answer? I don't really have time to go over 16 pages of discussion.
If you lose your wanted level, i.e you succesfully escape, then you have to leave the car and can't aid anymore.
*exception to drive-bying as a driver - Police officers may use drive-by shooting as a driver to stop a suspect when there is no other way to stop him, this typically means when they are on a police bike pursuing a suspect in a vehicle and there are no accompanying officers in other vehicles and back up is not forthcoming.
An admin just mentioned the following rule:
If you escape while your friend is still suspected, you are supposed to leave him.
This is not correct, right?
What is the reason? Anyway they can keep up with any vehicle by pressing the " ^ " button many times . And with even the lowest PIT manuever skill a biker can PIT any vehicle easily.
Is flaming in RP allowed?
We make no distinction between RP and non-RP, so your question should be "is flaming allowed?" and the answer to that is that it is not allowed if it is causing unreasonable disruption or annoyance to other players, regardless of whether it is reported or not.As far as I know the player didn't report me but as the admin was spectating already, he issued an official warning. If I'm not wrong, the opponent player even flamed me back. (This was all in RP)
If you are role-playing someone who might reasonably insult another person, one gang member smack talking another within the context of role-play for example, within sensible limits that would be tolerated providing it was not causing unreasonable disruption or annoyance to the other player.
If an admin determines you are using role-play as a cover for causing disruption or annoyance to another player he will ask you to stop and you would have to comply with that request.
As far as I know the player didn't report me but as the admin was spectating already, he issued an official warning. If I'm not wrong, the opponent player even flamed me back. (This was all in RP)
Player1(-) says: cop?
PM from Player1(-): stop
PM from Player1(-): stopt
Vitoo(40) says: Yeah?
Player2(-) says: yo
Player1(-) says: Cop he want to grow weed
Player2(-) says: lol
Player1(-) says: he is drug dealer
Vitoo(40) says: Then let him.
Player1(-) says: he is drug dealer
Vitoo(40) says: Okay then.
Player1(-) says: he also sell
Player2(-) says: LOL
Vitoo(40) says: Too bad I don't have clear evidences.
Player1(-) says: ok die
I have no other way to ask this...
Is this allowed or is it considered copbaiting/cophunting?:Code: [Select]Player1(-) says: cop?
PM from Player1(-): stop
PM from Player1(-): stopt
Vitoo(40) says: Yeah?
Player2(-) says: yo
Player1(-) says: Cop he want to grow weed
Player2(-) says: lol
Player1(-) says: he is drug dealer
Vitoo(40) says: Then let him.
Player1(-) says: he is drug dealer
Vitoo(40) says: Okay then.
Player1(-) says: he also sell
Player2(-) says: LOL
Vitoo(40) says: Too bad I don't have clear evidences.
Player1(-) says: ok die
From what I can gather Player1 is reporting Player2 for growing and selling drugs while on police duty; are you asking if growing drugs while on duty as a police officer is allowed?
No.
Player1 and Player2 are friends and they were both saying Player2 sells weed. None of them was a cop - that cop was me.
If a SAPD officer is driving with ARPD officers are they allowed to DB?
Is RS5 gonna be released before 2014?
Is RS5 gonna be released before 2014?
If a SAPD officer is driving with ARPD officers are they allowed to DB?
Got a question here.
If multiple accounts are used to money cheat and get stored at once into someone's account. Later, this guy gives his money around as a payday and/or events. Are the ones getting the money going to have it removed or not?
2 friends jumping around and punching each other. They're practicing boxing.
Is it against rules?
2 friends jumping and punching each other and cause an unintentional death.
Is it against rules?
There's no trouble to anyone. 2 people having fun. Perhaps it sets a bad example for new players, but is it against rules such that it will justify a punishment?
Combat, within the context of proper role-play, is always acceptable. If two players are role-playing two boxers who are practicing their sparring in a gym or other suitable location that is okay in theory; the problem arises when mutual activities become not mutual in the event of one side losing. Often two players will engage in mutual, role-played combat and then one of them will die and report the other for deathmatching. Also, I cannot see how two players who are genuinely role-playing boxers and practicing sparing can not stop themselves before someone dies. Because of how easy it should be to avoid that when fighting with fists you are likely to draw unwanted admin intervention if it happens.
So four points to consider about the scenario you described:
- Don't try to randomly practice boxing with people you don't know.
- Make sure it is in a location that is suitable for practicing boxing.
- Use role-play to flesh out what you're doing.
- Control yourselves to avoid player death.
If you just start punching someone in the middle of the street (particularly if they die, and even more particularly if they report you) the excuse that you were practicing boxing isn't going to fly. Whatever the circumstances, if you wish to engage in role-play like this be prepared to explain yourself to an admin if challenged.
Actually if its completely mutual, and between two friends who are not at all going to report each other, is it fine?
We ran into some trouble yesterday and it was told that 'not setting a good example' by punching around can result in a punishment.
- Don't try to randomly practice boxing with people you don't know.
- Make sure it is in a location that is suitable for practicing boxing.
- Use role-play to flesh out what you're doing.
- Control yourselves to avoid player death.
If you're just punching each other with no role-play in a public area you should certainly expect an admin to put a stop to it.
Could anyone please answer this question honestly:
Are there any regulations/rules for managers+ to read our personal messages and citizen band radio messages? (is any proper cause required?)
Could anyone please answer this question honestly:
Are there any regulations/rules for managers+ to read our personal messages and citizen band radio messages? (is any proper cause required?)
But can they use them to ban people ?
1. Is it copbaiting if you randomly follow a suspect that you don't know and a police is chasing the suspect? Of course this includes speeding and reckless driving, like in most normal chases. If not, then is it copbaiting if you decide to randomly aid this person to escape by for example, picking them up?
2. Are you allowed to help your suspected family member in a gunfight with the cops without any roleplaying? I mean no one really has time for any fancy /me's when there's bullets flying.
3.Is this against the rules? Let's say a cop is pepperspraying your suspect friend into surrendering, and you walk next to him and start roleplaying a angry friend who wants revenge on his buddys behalf, and kill the cop after some roleplay (the cop might not have time to roleplay back as he is spraying the suspect).
4. Is it classified as copbaiting/cophunting if you for example are suspected in Vinewood, but instead of escaping to the north you decide to head to Pershing Square and you drive past LSPD, where you obviously attract a lot of attention? Is it copbaiting/cophunting only if you succeed at it and get loads of cops to follow you?
5. Why do we tell people who don't want to roleplay to leave the server, but then forcing roleplay is against the rules?
6.What are the rules with suspects who aren't moving, but also aren't giving up? What if you don't know if they carry weapons or not? Can you still spray em to death?
5. Why do we tell people who don't want to roleplay to leave the server, but then forcing roleplay is against the rules?I know I'm not a developer, but I wanted to give my input because too many people got this rule wrong.
I know I'm not a developer, but I wanted to give my input because too many people got this rule wrong.That would imply that you cannot kill a person if he refuses to participate in a kidnap or something, yknow :rolleyes:
The "not forcing Role-Play" rule doesn't mean you don't have to interact/role-play with somebody you encountered because you personally don't like the person or for whatever other reason. The rule is there so you can be protected from being forced to do something IN role-play.
For example: "/me robs Antonio and takes out all his money from his pocket" doesn't mean I am forced to /send the money I have to a robber.
That would imply that you cannot kill a person if he refuses to participate in a kidnap or something, yknow :rolleyes:If the person is refusing in what is know as "in character", he can be killed; it's a proper role-play reason.
If the person is refusing in what is know as "in character", he can be killed; it's a proper role-play reason.pretty much true, depends on how you look at it of course.
If the person is moaning at administrators that "he doesn't want to RP or get kidnapped", then that is a rule-break.
So when you /sex a hooker, he/she/shemale loses health. But by going afk, this doesnt happen and hence they are alive and more and more curious people can /sex them, letting em earn money while being afk and dodging the script's limitation on it
My friend claims that its not script/bug abuse to do this, but i disagree. Who's right :/
is it allowed to use a-cmds to eject someone out of the vehicle, because he's in a event, which fobids vehicles ?
because he's in a event, which fobids vehicles
Yes,Let me be more specific. It was a marathon.
1. Is it considered accepting a bribe if you take the money from the briber but give him a harsher punishment for trying to bribe and keep the money?If you keep the money it would be more like a scam. If you want to keep the money and punish for bribing, at least make it an extended RP so the person will not feel scammed.
2. Why is there a rule that forbids buying hp while in combat, but not for buying armor?Because when the rule was made you could not buy armour. However if you manage to be in combat inside an ammunation expect that the admins will interfere.
3. Why can't we see our full punishment history?Because what you did last year is irrelevant to what you are doing now. People change.
4. What is considered engaging when approaching a suspect? If you go talk to them is it engaging? I'm just wondering because often suspects kill you (without RP) if you try to reason with them.Any attempt to let them give up is engaging. Keep an eye on the police radio as usually the suspects will be mentioned there so you should know not to approach them without weapons.
5a. Is this DM? I have mixed informationIf both agree it is never DM. If one does not agree to the killing, then you should think of what roleplay reason there was to start it. Also consider why there is the need for (lethal) violence in almost every situation.
Person A does something minor to person B, like for example, calls them stupid. B is RPing a person with a short fuse, and takes it to heart. B takes out his gun, and starts RPing things like, loading bullets, reloading his gun. A understands the situation, but doesn't RP back. He just says things like "Whatcu gonna do?" or "Nice gun". A aims at B, and kills him.
Person A roleplayed it the whole way through. The minor main incident is not a cause to kill someone, but what if you RP it through properly, and both parties understand the situation? Some people say its DM because the main incident is so minor, but some say it's not DM as person A and B both had a understanding of the situation and A roleplayed it through.
5b If it's DM, then where is the line of "too minor" offences to kill somebody?
5c, If it is DM, then do you have to say "I am going to kill you if you don't do what I say" or can you just use commands such as /reload 1 and /gunpoint 1 to get your message across?
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is it allowed to use a-cmds to eject someone out of the vehicle, because he's in a event, which fobids vehicles ?Yes.
Any attempt to let them give up is engaging. Keep an eye on the police radio as usually the suspects will be mentioned there so you should know not to approach them without weapons.Let me present you a situation regarding this question.
Let me present you a situation regarding this question.
So there are two players who are wanted and three who are not at Tierra Robada near Area 69. They're on top of a "mountain" near the satellite, to be precise.
I'm patrolling with my friend and I'm actually tracking them down but I only pass by the road next to their location under them without giving any warnings or shooting; basically taking no actions that would suggest I was there to engage on them. Supposedly they'd think I was merely passing by without giving a damn about them.
As I'm passing by everyone including the ones who are not wanted start opening fire on me mostly with M4s (I don't think the weapons they use is relevant but anyway).
My question is; is anyone out of those five players allowed to open?
If you just driving by (No shooting or warnings) they are not allowed to shoot, especially if they're not suspects.Okay, thank you for clarifying.
Because what you did last year is irrelevant to what you are doing now. People change.I wish more people recognized this. :'(
If you just driving by (No shooting or warnings) they are not allowed to shoot, especially if they're not suspects.
You're hardly to be 'driving by' Big Ear. Nobody goes to Big Ear without reason, its literally ALWAYS deserted. So I think 'driving by; is kinda bullshit. They went there to catch the suspects. They should expect to be shot at, I believe it should be allowed.
If the cop is not chasing you then you are NOT allowed to open fire. Even if the cop passes the suspect, the suspect should not fire at the police.Let me know if I'm right; the suspects are allowed to open fire towards police if:
(Note: You are not allowed to engage police if you are not involved in same RP.)
Let me know if I'm right; the suspects are allowed to open fire towards police if:People who don't have a wanted level are also allowed to open fire if a group member or an associate is being chased by the police and the same group member or associate requests helps and heads towards the group's property or if they're participating in the same roleplay scenario since the very begining but the police fail to suspect them.
- they have a wanted level and police engage on them __ by shooting or telling them to surrender;
- they have a wanted level and the police is preventing them from escaping __ by staying nearby so their wanted level doesn't go down;
If the cop is not chasing you then you are NOT allowed to open fire. Even if the cop passes the suspect, the suspect should not fire at the police.I'm sorry but this isnt Idlewood or anything its the middle of nowhere. The reason the officers went to that location was to hunt down the suspects, not to 'pass by'. If you are in the vicinity of the suspect, you are preventing his /rhl from decreasing. That is a threat to a suspect and personally, I would consider engaging. Though, I would probably wait untill they stop their car, just to be sure that they are not 'just passing by'
(Note: You are not allowed to engage police if you are not involved in same RP.)
I'm patrolling with my friend and I'm actually tracking them down
The topic is based on "Situations" and answers from DEVELOPERS...If it wasn't clear enough already - if you are not a SA:MP developer, manager or a community leader / owner then do not answer questions in this topic. We want only "developers" to answer these questions so there is no confusion or debates.
So please do not start answer on questions in topic unless developers will not clear out their position.
Situation:
If a suspect has just /gu'd and a group of men kidnap him, CLEARLY RPing it, and the gu'd suspect complies and gets into their car (in this case the suspect was PUSHED into the kidnapper's car), do admins have the right to TP the suspect back and force him to comply with them and get jailed?
Example situation:
A suspect has surrendered to police by using /hail, he is fully compliant and is in the police car on his way to be jailed. Some members of his family arrive, force the police car off the road and role-play a rescue scenario. As a result the player is freed and leaves the scene with his criminal accomplices.
The moment you signify your intention to surrender to police you must comply by server rule, even if properly role-played any escape after surrendering is against the rules.
Example situation:This is no "escape". In the situation I mentioned, the group of men kidnapped the suspect just after the suspect gu'd, and didn't even get in the police cruiser. The suspect was pushed into the kidnapper's van.
A suspect has surrendered to police by using /hail, he is fully compliant and is in the police car on his way to be jailed. Some members of his family arrive, force the police car off the road and role-play a rescue scenario. As a result the player is freed and leaves the scene with his criminal accomplices.
The moment you signify your intention to surrender to police you must comply by server rule, even if properly role-played any escape after surrendering is against the rules.
What if both parties agree on the roleplay (The criminal side PMs the cop side explaining everything) Would it be allowed then?Then they won't report eachother and have a nice roleplay without being punished for that.
One admin said it was fine, another one said it isn't. The admin who said it wasn't allowed got a manager to say it's not fine, meaning he overruled the other admin's decision, with the reason, as stated by the manager "you can't escape while gu'ing". The only problem here is, the suspect is not escaping, he's being kidnapped, thrown into car, and helpless as he is also cuffed. Also, keep in mind that prior to the suspect getting arrested, he had nothing to do with the same group of men kidnapping him.
Not allowed, since you had to comply with the police after using /gu and no one else should interfere. I know you and Cofi claims that Gandalf comfirmed this was allowed, but no one in HQ has ever heard it (not even CBF) so until we can comfirm it with Gandalf, we are gonna keep this stand point and say it's not allowed and this is not up for a discussion.My defense was that Teddy said it was allowed, nothing more. As for not complying to the police; I wasn't even cuffed when the group arrived, just a second or two before they forced me into their vehicle.
Not allowed, since you had to comply with the police after using /gu and no one else should interfere. I know you and Cofi claims that Gandalf comfirmed this was allowed, but no one in HQ has ever heard it (not even CBF) so until we can comfirm it with Gandalf, we are gonna keep this stand point and say it's not allowed and this is not up for a discussion.Oh CBF heard it alright. In case he doesn't remember, give him the link to this reply I'll refresh his memory:
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The topic is based on "Situations" and answers from DEVELOPERS...
"Unwilling to RP, refuse to comply."
Since when is "unwilling to RP, refuse to comply" with a POLICE OFFICER a server-rulebreak ?
Player A is getting "trolled" by the best RPers in Argonath. Two cops.
( /me )LEO B pushes Player A's ass in. ( In, referring to inside the car. Note that LEO B was on driver seat while the above was RPed. )
Player A requests another officer to RP with him as he does not like LEO B's RP. ( This is allowed by ARPD rules )
Is Manager C allowed to punish Player A for unwilling to RP, refuse to comply ?
I'm a bit frustrated so I might be able to give extra information later, if needed, when I'm calm. ;)
I'm not a dev, nor am I answering, but I think you should be more clear about the refused to comply part, as admins are allowed to punish you if for example you're standing outside a cop car, stagnating while the officer is waiting for you. I'm just saying that's how it might've looked for the manager. Besides that I've given up on trying to make cops open and close the door like a normalI'm not clear myself as to why exactly was I punished for refusing to comply when all I did was ask for another cop that would RP with me, instead of using his supernatural powers to "troll" me.humaroleplay being, it's too much of a hassle for both sides.
Do developers actually discuss the story line / background story of the server prior to accepting or working on script ideas? Or...Stories and storylines are for the players to develop. All we can do is try to make it hard to acquire things, so they will be more valued.
How do they go about implementing things?
A couple days ago there was a discussion in /p.No.
As usual the subject was around "Forced Roleplay" and "Avoiding Roleplay".
Some people where saying Argonaths Forced Roleplay rule is pretty much the same as what you'd expect of "Power Gaming".
Is this true?
They also likened "Avoiding Roleplay" to Meta-gaming.
Is this true?
Personally I do not see why Argonath is 'beating around the bush', I feel it may just be easier to say "No Metagaming" and "No Powergaming".
There is a lot of confusion around "Forced Roleplay" - some are like "you can't force me to roleplay" some such as my self understand it in the correct sense - to some it up in one word "no power gaming"
Why isn't there an auto kick for hackers or something of that sort?
Why isn't there an auto kick for hackers or something of that sort?
Hi,"because they dont need it".
A bit confused as to why banned players can not access the panel..
"because they dont need it".
What if I was to say they do?TS has multiple servers on it.
If they lead a group they should be able to access the panel to check on their members perhaps?
If they hold multiple properties, maybe they should monitor how each property is doing?
Although the panel contains ingame information, it technically doesn't mean you are ingame? If that was the case, you would be banned from TS automatically because TS contains ingame information?
TS has multiple servers on it.
What if I was to say they do?In case you didn't notice I was just trying to help you by quoting. I've already said those reasons before but what I got was the quote I said before.
If they lead a group they should be able to access the panel to check on their members perhaps?
If they hold multiple properties, maybe they should monitor how each property is doing?
Although the panel contains ingame information, it technically doesn't mean you are ingame? If that was the case, you would be banned from TS automatically because TS contains ingame information?
In case you didn't notice I was just trying to help you by quoting. I've already said those reasons before but what I got was the quote I said before.
Using /helpmeup to avoid death after a bugged interior and the Blueberry bug (spawning in air), is seen as script abusing or using it where it's made for?^And for carkilling too, is it considered as script abusing?
Using /helpmeup to avoid death after a bugged interior and the Blueberry bug (spawning in air), is seen as script abusing or using it where it's made for?
^And for carkilling too, is it considered as script abusing?No.
Is the downtime only a preparation for RS5.2, or any release of RS5.2 will be followed after the server is up ?
Is the downtime only a preparation for RS5.2, or any release of RS5.2 will be followed after the server is up ?Some services are being linked to RS5.2, and it takes time. This does not mean RS5.2 will be released.
Are we still allowed to defend our friends/members in group bases?That 'rule' about not being able to help your friend/member who's being attacked, has been lifted long time ago.
Are there any repercussions?
You wont be able to destroy your own weed with a Combine Harvester and wont be able to destroy others their weed if it's in "planted" stage.What is the "planted" stage? Is it until the weed can be harvested? or until a plant appears (that can not be harvested yet)?
What is the "planted" stage? Is it until the weed can be harvested? or until a plant appears (that can not be harvested yet)?"Planted stage" is the stage when you've just planted planted the seeds (so the smallest plant object).