Argonath RPG - A World of its own

How and when did you start developing servers and using SAMP at all?

The first start was MTA:VC server... That time Sauron was the biggest help in starting... Actually friendship with Sauron motivated our thoughts about own server very good as he had good knowledge about MTA:VC...
The idea to open the SA:MP server came when Argonath became be the best and popular RPG server on MTA:VC... Something like moving our goals to the new level...

We did not expect server raised that good on SA:MP, as we thought there are enough RPG server which were more longer then we... But the new gamemode, which no any RPG server has and original ideas in scripts gained many people... It went crazy as there were 50-70 players even at night and more new then veterans from MTA:VC... It was very hard to control, chat was running logs like nuts, not enough admins, people as soon as knew the server can set any house with any interior attacked us with requests... Everybody was spawning as a green fat guy and fighting at Grove street, where were already all cops, admins and moderators...

That time we got 7th place among all SA:MP servers on game monitor... Probably because we were friendly to players and strict to any cheater/hacker (there are too much on SA:MP servers)

How did you managed to advertise your server and put it to officials as the best server there is on SAMP?

We never advertised a server... The one it was - when we put a topic on SA:MP forums in a server advertising... But that was already not necessary, as server to that time was already popular...

SA:MP team started applications from servers to be an official and we applied... We got official status the same or next day, well, very fast...

You and Gandalf, Legolas know each others IRL?

Yes and no... We did not meet Legolas in real life but we support contact regularly...

Quote from: Dex507 on July 02, 2009, 08:27:42 pm

Do you like Mario Puzo? :D

Who the hell is that? :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Dex507 on July 02, 2009, 08:27:42 pm

Quote

Who the hell is that? :)

Never watched The Godfather, never read The Godfather? He is the one who made scripts and made a world known book....nvm random question :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on July 02, 2009, 08:33:56 pm

Never watched The Godfather, never read The Godfather? He is the one who made scripts and made a world known book....nvm random question :D

Well I do not like "mafiozo" movies and of cos I will never read the book about mafias...
I tried to watch movie Scarface or something like that and got bored on 20th minute...

In movies I do prefer now effects more then the storyline as all storylines are the same...
But one movie I really liked in mafia style - "The King of New York"... But that's too old and not promoted that good so I do not expect anyone knows it even...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Boxy on July 03, 2009, 03:19:31 am

Is there a possibility to change the server theme of LOTR to Star Wars?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Amon Ra on July 03, 2009, 03:44:30 am

Quote from: Vu4eCa on July 01, 2009, 12:58:08 pm

You already know nobody loves you, don't you? :redface:

Its a shame that they put admins like you

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Cailiz on July 03, 2009, 04:20:07 am

Va3caca or what the fuck your just simply provoking.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Squeak on July 03, 2009, 06:02:02 am

Quote from: Aragorn on July 02, 2009, 08:33:56 pm

Well I do not like "mafiozo" movies and of cos I will never read the book about mafias...
I tried to watch movie Scarface or something like that and got bored on 20th minute...

In movies I do prefer now effects more then the storyline as all storylines are the same...
But one movie I really liked in mafia style - "The King of New York"... But that's too old and not promoted that good so I do not expect anyone knows it even...

WTF RON, You've never seen Scarface..? D :*

Are you talking about "The Gangs of New York"?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on July 03, 2009, 09:37:23 am

Quote from: Squeak on July 03, 2009, 06:02:02 am

WTF RON, You've never seen Scarface..? D :*

Are you talking about "The Gangs of New York"?

No...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pPtMQgaiJw

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aksel on July 08, 2009, 07:02:05 pm

Question:

I got a Idea about a whole new rp thing in argonath. And for that, I need a interior change.
is that possible? Its a business.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on July 08, 2009, 08:25:55 pm

Quote from: Skruff on July 08, 2009, 07:02:05 pm

Question:

I got a Idea about a whole new rp thing in argonath. And for that, I need a interior change.
is that possible? Its a business.

Playing with objects is not that easy passing the script possibility... So no, while there will not be fixed all crashes and will not be clear that objects do not affect crashes anymore...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pandalink on July 08, 2009, 08:35:13 pm

I think he just means changing the interior ID of a business, which currently cannot be done due to lockdown.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aksel on July 08, 2009, 08:36:50 pm

Quote from: Pandalink on July 08, 2009, 08:35:13 pm

I think he just means changing the interior ID of a business, which currently cannot be done due to lockdown.

Exactly.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pazienza on July 10, 2009, 07:46:03 pm

do you like spaghetti? :roll:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on July 10, 2009, 09:08:58 pm

Quote from: Pazienza on July 10, 2009, 07:46:03 pm

do you like spaghetti? :roll:

With different pasta, but not cheesy one... :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Boxy on July 14, 2009, 04:01:51 am

Aragorn, this question isn't meant as a indirect flame or anything offensive, it's just about something I noticed over the years. So please, don't go ape on me :neutral:.

How does it feel to know that you and the other devs have indirectly caused some peoples' lives to be ruined?

Like I said, this isn't about me, I just see people say that Argo has ruined their lives.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: FlameMan on July 14, 2009, 11:13:43 am

Argonath is only gaming server.. some people are taking it too serious, they treat it like real life.
To play you have to separate your private life and online life... If you cannot do that, you can end as some of other people.

For example - there were people who were suiciding, because of some game... its not only about Argonath.
Every game is addictive, just some of them more, some of them less.

That's my opinion about that.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: rJCaiG on July 14, 2009, 11:58:11 am

There ARE people here who prefer to be online and ingame than be out doing stuff IRL. This mostly occurs in the younger members (12, 13), who are not far enough into their teenhood to have a proper social life.
When I was 12 and on this server i'd have rathered sit in game than be outside doing stuff, but now i'd rather be going to the movies, skating, etc etc. It all depends on the individual IMO.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Raykaza on July 14, 2009, 12:56:18 pm

Question to Aragorn and Devs :

Hello Aragorn.

I Believe that ARPD have a lot Of Advantage Than Crimimals.Thei can returne after death.Thei can Carjack You while you Cant.Thei Can use Helicopters And Criminals cant (( Cuz you have to land to be unsepected )).There is Any way To Change these Rules ? and Give The criminals some Advantage too ?If there is already some and I dont know them please Tell me.....

Thank you In Advantage and By The way This is agood Topic Wich it answer about Players Questions.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: rJCaiG on July 14, 2009, 12:58:56 pm

It's the criminals' choice to become a criminal, and in becoming a criminal your should be aware of the disadvantages...find other things to do. The ARPD is an organised force, whereas criminals are random people who want a thrill.
You want a thrill, you want to rob old grandmas (cough gimli), then you can go ahead. But know: you will have disadvantages.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Raykaza on July 14, 2009, 01:07:06 pm

But Its Still Unfair.....

Criminals Will Get Punishment anyway (( going to jail Or Being Killed )) But Im not talking about The Punishment Im talking about the Advantages Wich it makes ARPD work to catch Criminals easier and Criminals Work to Surivive More Harder.....Criminals Are A part from The State too and thei still have Their Rights.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: rJCaiG on July 14, 2009, 01:18:21 pm

Criminal.
www.google.com - "define: criminal"
A criminal is an outlaw, one who is prosecuted by the authorities. Not a person who has rights.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: TruthSvensson on July 14, 2009, 01:30:11 pm

Quote from: GiacJr on July 14, 2009, 01:18:21 pm

Criminal.
www.google.com - "define: criminal"
A criminal is an outlaw, one who is prosecuted by the authorities. Not a person who has rights.

It is real life, this is a game where everyone should be equal

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: David_Omid on July 14, 2009, 01:31:22 pm

They have the right to remain silent, that's it

Just kidding, they have advantages too...

1. It doesn't take long before they have escaped, the police don't stand much of a chance unless they team up...which you may notice is hard

2. Criminals mostly are in faster vehicles such as sports cars, plus they ride bikes...it's generally hard to take out suspects

3. You CAN use helicopters to escape - take off, fly to a remote area which is still in map boundaries, get out, wait for the timer to end...and when you see police come, get back inside and fly off quickly

4. If you decide not to surrender, the police have to spend all of their time trying to catch you...and you get fined for them doing a great job

A lot of people need to sit down and list the advantages and disadvantages of being a cop and a criminal - it's almost equal

There are some things which will always be seen as unfair such as the police having free desert eagles, a radio to contact all police units and superior numbers - that can't change

A system where the police have to buy all of their weapons, have no method of communicating and have a maximum number of police that can be on duty at one time is out of the question

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Oliver on July 14, 2009, 03:22:13 pm

Quote from: David_Omid on July 14, 2009, 01:31:22 pm

*post*

Not to mention that you have the ability to use a M4 to kill cops whereas the SAPD has a regulation against that...
Besides, not many free officers/cadets have armour and heavy weapons.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: James_Alterlis on July 14, 2009, 03:40:11 pm

Quote from: David_Omid on July 14, 2009, 01:31:22 pm

They have the right to remain silent, that's it

Just kidding, they have advantages too...

1. It doesn't take long before they have escaped, the police don't stand much of a chance unless they team up...which you may notice is hard

2. Criminals mostly are in faster vehicles such as sports cars, plus they ride bikes...it's generally hard to take out suspects

3. You CAN use helicopters to escape - take off, fly to a remote area which is still in map boundaries, get out, wait for the timer to end...and when you see police come, get back inside and fly off quickly

4. If you decide not to surrender, the police have to spend all of their time trying to catch you...and you get fined for them doing a great job

A lot of people need to sit down and list the advantages and disadvantages of being a cop and a criminal - it's almost equal

There are some things which will always be seen as unfair such as the police having free desert eagles, a radio to contact all police units and superior numbers - that can't change

A system where the police have to buy all of their weapons, have no method of communicating and have a maximum number of police that can be on duty at one time is out of the question

Actually criminals have more advantage than police
If you are police 24/7 and work hard, you will know...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Altair_Carter on July 14, 2009, 03:47:50 pm

Quote from: Vladimire on July 14, 2009, 12:56:18 pm

Thei can Carjack

You can too.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on July 14, 2009, 04:40:34 pm

Quote from: Altair_Carter on July 14, 2009, 03:47:50 pm

You can too.

?? :trust:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pandalink on July 14, 2009, 04:57:53 pm

Quote from: Altair_Carter on July 14, 2009, 03:47:50 pm

You can too.

Correct, those who are suspected can carjack cops if the cop is silly enough to be in a civilian vehicle.

Quote from: GiacJr on July 14, 2009, 12:58:56 pm

The ARPD is an organised force, whereas criminals are random people who want a thrill.

This is the kind of totally cop diluted view I love :D.
Believe me, I see both sides, and criminals are more organised than the ARPD.

By the way:
Criminal != Suspected Person.
To be a criminal for real you have to be in a criminal group. Otherwise, you're just a small time robber, thief, or mugger.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Oliver on July 14, 2009, 07:11:19 pm

Quote from: Pandalink on July 14, 2009, 04:57:53 pm

Criminal != Suspected Person.
To be a criminal for real you have to be in a criminal group. Otherwise, you're just a small time robber, thief, or mugger.

Or a bored senior officer like me :roll:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Raykaza on July 14, 2009, 07:27:23 pm

No.Once I got Carjacked By a Cop and When I Carjack back and ran he kicked me for you cant Carjack cops......

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Rusty on July 14, 2009, 07:43:22 pm

Quote from: GiacJr on July 14, 2009, 11:58:11 am

There ARE people here who prefer to be online and ingame than be out doing stuff IRL. This mostly occurs in the younger members (12, 13), who are not far enough into their teenhood to have a proper social life.
When I was 12 and on this server i'd have rathered sit in game than be outside doing stuff, but now i'd rather be going to the movies, skating, etc etc. It all depends on the individual IMO.

Noticed that too, see people on my days off work i've seen people ingame from 7am till 4pm, it's summer you should be out with your Mates or getting a Summer Job and make some cash.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aksel on July 15, 2009, 04:07:43 am

Question:

if Gandalf/Aragorn uses any kind of hacks, and I find out. What should I do?
(Not that it will ever happen)
I mean, nobody can Kick/ban them.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gandalf on July 15, 2009, 08:46:30 am

Quote from: Skruff on July 15, 2009, 04:07:43 am

Question:

if Gandalf/Aragorn uses any kind of hacks, and I find out. What should I do?
(Not that it will ever happen)
I mean, nobody can Kick/ban them.

Report to [email protected] so that we can ban the hackers. :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ~Legend~ on July 15, 2009, 02:59:54 pm

Hey guys,
So, hope everything is fine hope your new Hand of Law - Land of Opportunities project is coming along well.
By the way, just thinking, how would you abbreviate that?; HoL - LoO :razz:
Well, the best of luck and hope your Webmaster applications are good. ;)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pazienza on July 16, 2009, 09:16:40 pm

hello men,

- I sent you the Italian translated version of the Argonath RPG rules, when will it be published?
- What did you eat yesterday?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: tiderman on July 17, 2009, 03:14:17 am

Quote from: GiacJr on July 14, 2009, 11:58:11 am

There ARE people here who prefer to be online and ingame than be out doing stuff IRL. This mostly occurs in the younger members (12, 13), who are not far enough into their teenhood to have a proper social life.
When I was 12 and on this server i'd have rathered sit in game than be outside doing stuff, but now i'd rather be going to the movies, skating, etc etc. It all depends on the individual IMO.

True that. I grew up but I still ain't got jack shit to do, lol.
I have not the same interests as most of my friends. Playing soccer is never an option for me.
I'd rather sit at home taking it easy listening to music than being on the soccer field listening to their bullshit gossips or whatever. I don't have any hobbies either so I'm rather fucked. I still don't like computers, though. If it weren't for my forever lasting search for music, I would not be here.

Look at me Ramble. Have you seen my husband, Nathan.

Quote from: Rusty on July 14, 2009, 07:43:22 pm

Noticed that too, see people on my days off work i've seen people ingame from 7am till 4pm, it's summer you should be out with your Mates or getting a Summer Job and make some cash.

It's not easy making dough when theres no jobs, though :p

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: rJCaiG on July 17, 2009, 06:56:26 am

Quote from: tiderman on July 17, 2009, 03:14:17 am

True that. I grew up but I still ain't got jack shit to do, lol.
I have not the same interests as most of my friends. Playing soccer is never an option for me.
I'd rather sit at home taking it easy listening to music than being on the soccer field listening to their bullshit gossips or whatever. I don't have any hobbies either so I'm rather f**ked. I still don't like computers, though. If it weren't for my forever lasting search for music, I would not be here.

Look at me Ramble. Have you seen my husband, Nathan.
It's not easy making dough when theres no jobs, though :p

My mum is pressuring me to play soccer, but here in Australia all the people who play soccer are douchebags who think they're top of the world. I'd rather not associate with that kind of person :D
I have had a job offer for Subway sitting there for 2 months. All I need to do is hand my resume in.
I think i'm finally going to hand it in this week, and hopefully i'll have a job :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Wash on July 30, 2009, 11:17:46 pm

RON, who's the guy in your new avatar? :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pazienza on July 30, 2009, 11:27:17 pm

Quote from: Wash on July 30, 2009, 11:17:46 pm

RON, who's the guy in your new avatar? :D

I've the same question :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aksel on July 31, 2009, 12:05:59 am

if I fart ingame, what would Obama do?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Miami on July 31, 2009, 12:23:06 am

Quote from: Wash on July 30, 2009, 11:17:46 pm

RON, who's the guy in your new avatar? :D

Omg I have the exact same question.. I asked him on MSN, but he hasnt replied :(

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramiro on August 01, 2009, 12:51:18 am

I think that's him.. Personally :poke:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on August 01, 2009, 05:54:27 pm

Quote from: Boxy on July 14, 2009, 04:01:51 am

How does it feel to know that you and the other devs have indirectly caused some peoples' lives to be ruined?
Like I said, this isn't about me, I just see people say that Argo has ruined their lives.

We did not cause anyone's lives ruined...
In Russia there is a saying "Chelovek sam pizdec svoego schastya"... Which means "The human himself is the blacksmith of his happiness"...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on August 01, 2009, 06:00:32 pm

Quote from: Vladimire on July 14, 2009, 12:56:18 pm

I Believe that ARPD have a lot Of Advantage Than Crimimals.Thei can returne after death.Thei can Carjack You while you Cant.Thei Can use Helicopters And Criminals cant (( Cuz you have to land to be unsepected )).There is Any way To Change these Rules ? and Give The criminals some Advantage too ?If there is already some and I dont know them please Tell me.....

1. Cops can carjack criminals... The rule allowed it to prevent so-called "runners" who are just getting wanted and start running away with changing cars/repairing...

2. That criminals cannot use helicopters i hear the first time... I know we did not allow to use bikes cos they do not get any damage aka advantage over others...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on August 01, 2009, 06:04:39 pm

Quote from: Oliver on July 14, 2009, 03:22:13 pm

Not to mention that you have the ability to use a M4 to kill cops whereas the SAPD has a regulation against that...
Besides, not many free officers/cadets have armour and heavy weapons.

Thats the problem of SAPD... Argonath RPG stated clearly - everyone can use all weapons which are allowed by server... Its GTA and second all are able to use the same weapons to make the fight fair enough... I actually did not understand ARPD when they restricted themselves...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on August 01, 2009, 06:07:15 pm

Quote from: Pandalink on July 14, 2009, 04:57:53 pm

Correct, those who are suspected can carjack cops if the cop is silly enough to be in a civilian vehicle.

Since what time admins made this rule?
No, you can carjack ONLY if you are a cop vs criminal... Or at least you can carjack back a guy who ve just carjacked you...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on August 01, 2009, 06:09:29 pm

Quote from: ~Legend~ on July 15, 2009, 02:59:54 pm

Hey guys,
So, hope everything is fine Hope your new Hand of Law - Land of Opportunities project is coming along well.
By the way, just thinking, how would you abbreviate that?; HoL - LoO :razz:
Well, the best of luck and hope your Webmaster applications are good. ;)

It will be HOL-Land :d

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on August 01, 2009, 06:10:41 pm

Quote from: Pazienza on July 16, 2009, 09:16:40 pm

hello men,

- I sent you the Italian translated version of the Argonath RPG rules, when will it be published?
- What did you eat yesterday?

Did not get any...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on August 01, 2009, 06:11:51 pm

Quote from: Wash on July 30, 2009, 11:17:46 pm

RON, who's the guy in your new avatar? :D

Have no idea lol...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Miami on August 01, 2009, 06:32:13 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on August 01, 2009, 06:11:51 pm

Have no idea lol...

LOL??

I dunno if I should believe that, or if it really is RON irl! :lol:

This leads to another question from me - Why do you have a picture of a random guy in your avatar? :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Altair_Carter on August 01, 2009, 08:44:38 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on August 01, 2009, 05:54:27 pm

"pizdec svoego schastya"... Which means " blacksmith of his happiness"...

:rofl:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Wash on August 01, 2009, 08:55:43 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on August 01, 2009, 06:11:51 pm

Have no idea lol...

You just have a random dude as your avatar? :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on August 02, 2009, 08:53:07 am

Mimi, Wash - I do not ask who is on others avatars and why there is some random wizard for example... :)

Altair - I could not stop myself from such possibility to use this word (chances to hear this word here - 0) but I did not find any English analog... :) So I used the original form in translation...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Altair_Carter on August 02, 2009, 10:53:24 am

Quote from: Aragorn on August 02, 2009, 08:53:07 am

Altair - I could not stop myself from such possibility to use this word (chances to hear this word here - 0) but I did not find any English analog... :) So I used the original form in translation...

Well, why not using "Tvorec"? Atleast that sounds

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on August 02, 2009, 11:33:27 am

Quote from: Altair_Carter on August 02, 2009, 10:53:24 am

Well, why not using "Tvorec"? Atleast that sounds

Sounds to what? To pizdets or to blacksmith?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Altair_Carter on August 02, 2009, 03:02:53 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on August 02, 2009, 11:33:27 am

Sounds to what? To pizdets or to blacksmith?

Pizdets.
"4elovek sam tvorec svoego s4astja"

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pancher on August 02, 2009, 07:46:58 pm

Quote from: Oliver on July 14, 2009, 03:22:13 pm

Not to mention that you have the ability to use a M4 to kill cops whereas the SAPD has a regulation against that...
Besides, not many free officers/cadets have armour and heavy weapons.

I'm actually not sure where that comes from.. "SAPD has a regulation aginst that", "to use a M4"..

Quote

When the police officer is allowed to use guns:

1) If someone's life, or your (the police officer) life is in direct danger, the police Officer is allowed to open fire without any warning.

(No matter if the suspect is unarmed; the officer can open fire at him)

2) When the suspect is escaping from a police officer, the officer is allowed to use their gun, after warning him "stop or i shoot". (Only basic gear, deagle, shotgun)

This is the closest i can find and it only states that you should use basic gear, it doesn't disallow you to use "heavy firearm" in other situations..

Can you send me a link and show where it says your not allowed to use other firearms then the standard gear?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Dr J. Cohen on August 02, 2009, 07:55:31 pm

Quote from: Pancher on August 02, 2009, 07:46:58 pm

I'm actually not sure where that comes from.. "SAPD has a regulation aginst that", "to use a M4"..
This is the closest i can find and it only states that you should use basic gear, it doesn't disallow you to use "heavy firearm" in other situations..

Can you send me a link and show where it says your not allowed to use other firearms then the standard gear?

It doesnt say "Should"

Quote

2) When the suspect is escaping from a police officer, the officer is allowed to use their gun, after warning him "stop or i shoot". (Only basic gear, deagle, shotgun)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pancher on August 02, 2009, 08:03:50 pm

There is still a BUT, it only applies for that case.. You also have to look on other laws and regulations that Police follow which means you may use other firearm other then the basic gear.

I can see this part of the "laws" stated on ARPD forum, was direct related to the old "Uzi" usage which have been edited due the change from RS3 to RS4, that SAPD missed to change that part when updating it up to date and time..

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: hijol_goswami on August 02, 2009, 08:25:56 pm

i have a question Umm if i got baned by multi account money cheating 10k i want to come back i posted a appeal no main admins seems to reply!
any help

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kessu on August 03, 2009, 11:01:33 pm

Quote from: hijol_goswami on August 02, 2009, 08:25:56 pm

i have a question Umm if i got baned by multi account money cheating 10k i want to come back i posted a appeal no main admins seems to reply!
any help

Wait. Be patience, they are no super-heros who does everything in the same day.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Freedom on August 06, 2009, 05:28:35 pm

Hai Owners!!11!one!!11 :banana:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ~Legend~ on August 20, 2009, 05:41:22 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on August 01, 2009, 06:09:29 pm

It will be HOL-Land :d

Haha. Awesome ;)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Nexxt on October 12, 2009, 10:17:04 pm

Some questions, I'd really like to know;
_{Questions for both RON and Ronnel}

- What is the name of your cat?
- If you own a car, what car you own?
- Are you doing any kind of sport?
- What kind of dutch food, you like the most?

- Tell me the store, where you saw the most HOT dutch girl, plz, since you came to The Netherlands :roll:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aksel on October 25, 2009, 01:27:55 pm

Hi, I got a question.
I got warned like...a week and two days ago, shouldent my "Warned" dissapear?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: HiddenSniper on October 25, 2009, 07:00:11 pm

Quote from: Aksel on October 25, 2009, 01:27:55 pm

Hi, I got a question.
I got warned like...a week and two days ago, shouldent my "Warned" dissapear?

Warns arn't permenant, unlike bans. They don't go on a database exept logs.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: spartan1178 on October 27, 2009, 03:15:53 am

I have a real quick question, I was just wondering what is it like to have made the Argonath community, to have been the ones that started something like this? Like, could you somehow briefly share your thoughts on being the founders of such a thing? Seems like a silly question, and I hope noone already asked it! :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on November 28, 2009, 12:56:26 pm

Post withdrawn, post is no longer relevant as time has passed.

Thank-you,
InfernalCurse.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on January 31, 2010, 11:53:33 am

Quote from: spartan1178 on October 27, 2009, 03:15:53 am

I have a real quick question, I was just wondering what is it like to have made the Argonath community, to have been the ones that started something like this? Like, could you somehow briefly share your thoughts on being the founders of such a thing? Seems like a silly question, and I hope noone already asked it! :)

A very difficult thing... Takes your time and patience...
Could already drop it for a long time ago, but thinking of players, for whom Argonath is a virtual home, stops from such decision...

However, all developers had such feeling of stopping the Argonath at least once...

Still, none of single us can take care about Argonath on 100%, that is why we cooperate in a group...

The same time, support which we get from our friends here, is a very good and strong help to continue the projects which we want to develop...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on January 31, 2010, 12:03:32 pm

Quote from: Nexxt on October 12, 2009, 10:17:04 pm

Some questions, I'd really like to know;
_{Questions for both RON and Ronnel}

- What is the name of your cat?
- If you own a car, what car you own?
- Are you doing any kind of sport?
- What kind of dutch food, you like the most?

- Tell me the store, where you saw the most HOT dutch girl, plz, since you came to The Netherlands :roll:

1. Graf
2. Jaguar
3. Swimming
4. Haring
5. Did not like girls on the Red lights street :)... The most beautiful is at home... :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Grovyle on January 31, 2010, 08:54:14 pm

RON
Do you ROFL at those who threaten the server when they are banned from it, or you just look and think "This is sad, they want to play in the server and they threaten it."?

I think this question has been answered before...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Void on February 04, 2010, 09:11:01 pm

Knowledge is an unpredictable thing Grovyle
Yes they can try to hack,I do not know if they can succeed as it depends on Argonath's protection,so yes it is a foolish thing to threaten just to try playing again.You can ROFL at 90% of these situations as those are little kinds/minors who say everything just to try to get some respect

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on March 20, 2010, 11:08:49 am

Quote from: Grovyle on January 31, 2010, 08:54:14 pm

RON
Do you ROFL at those who threaten the server when they are banned from it, or you just look and think "This is sad, they want to play in the server and they threaten it."?

It is not impressing in any kind - neither laughing nor angry...

Most of this kids either think they know servers better then servers' owners (or at least met such noob server's owners) or they just play on public "Look kids Ima a hackEr"

None of them even knew the basics of programming...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Petar on March 20, 2010, 11:16:20 am

Question about a rule ...

Is Ramming a AFK player allowed ? ( they take no damage )

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on March 20, 2010, 11:17:35 am

Quote from: Petar on March 20, 2010, 11:16:20 am

Question about a rule ...

Is Ramming a AFK player allowed ? ( they take no damage )

No, ramming is not allowed... I also do not see the point of this fun... :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Emre on March 20, 2010, 11:20:49 am

Including that it really annoys :D

RON,have you ever Visited Germany or Turkey,and if yes on any of those 2,did you like it? :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on March 20, 2010, 11:51:00 am

Quote from: Emre on March 20, 2010, 11:20:49 am

Including that it really annoys :D

RON,have you ever Visited Germany or Turkey,and if yes on any of those 2,did you like it? :)

I was visiting Germany... I liked the architecture... But in total for me it is a little bit "grey" country... Grey houses, grey people... Boring views, dunno how to explain...
I liked the German bread, cars, beer, cathedrals... :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: rJCaiG on March 20, 2010, 12:42:19 pm

Have you ever visited Australia? Have plans to visit Australia?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Petar on March 20, 2010, 08:11:44 pm

Quote from: Petar on March 20, 2010, 11:16:20 am

Question about a rule ...

Is Ramming a AFK player allowed ? ( they take no damage )

Quote from: Aragorn on March 20, 2010, 11:17:35 am

No, ramming is not allowed... I also do not see the point of this fun... :)

What is the correct punishment for it ?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Jubin on March 21, 2010, 12:23:09 am

Quote from: Petar on March 20, 2010, 08:11:44 pm

What is the correct punishment for it ?

That you get damage yourself and you lose precious time doing absolutely pointless action.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Oliver on March 21, 2010, 12:24:59 am

Quote from: Jubin on March 21, 2010, 12:23:09 am

That you get damage yourself and you lose precious time doing absolutely pointless action.

Unless you actually manage to blow the heli the AFK guy's in. You'll get a lot of lols out of it after they come back (I've seen it happen two times)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on March 21, 2010, 08:19:05 am

Quote from: GiacJr on March 20, 2010, 12:42:19 pm

Have you ever visited Australia? Have plans to visit Australia?

I had plans to visit it on Olympic Games, but had no time... :)
Never visited it before, but yeah, would like to come one day...

Quote from: Petar on March 20, 2010, 08:11:44 pm

What is the correct punishment for it ?

Just for ramming (with no extra things, like wanted level for example) the punishment can come only in a case of the rammed person coming back and reporting you...
From warning to the small tempban (10-15 mins)...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: EliteTerm on March 21, 2010, 09:09:19 am

Are there anything special planned for Argonath's future, or that is often limited due to lack of financial support?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: rJCaiG on March 21, 2010, 09:14:47 am

If you visit Austraila, would you welcome a visit by GiacJr? (A)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on March 21, 2010, 09:46:11 am

Quote from: EliteTerm on March 21, 2010, 09:09:19 am

Are there anything special planned for Argonath's future, or that is often limited due to lack of financial support?

Right now it is limited... The project stopped till the best times, which, I hope, will come soon... Perhaps we will have a talk with one-two of Argonath people to take the vacant place for developing...

Ps: I see you liked the gallery on site... :)

Quote from: GiacJr on March 21, 2010, 09:14:47 am

If you visit Austraila, would you welcome a visit by GiacJr? (A)

Sure, why not... :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Cofiliano on March 21, 2010, 12:53:11 pm

I think you mention you lived in Hungary in one point of your life. Ever visit Serbia? :) cDa is like 80-100 km away from Hungarian border. :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on March 21, 2010, 01:24:37 pm

Quote from: Cofiliano on March 21, 2010, 12:53:11 pm

I think you mention you lived in Hungary in one point of your life. Ever visit Serbia? :) cDa is like 80-100 km away from Hungarian border. :D

No, did not visit... But I will visit soon Poland and Belorussia... :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Freedom on March 23, 2010, 12:03:34 am

Would you ever sell Argonath?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: JDC on March 23, 2010, 01:12:19 am

Quote from: Freedom on March 23, 2010, 12:03:34 am

Would you ever sell Argonath?

...O_o

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: EliteTerm on March 24, 2010, 08:56:50 am

Are you still hopeful for MTA:VC to return back to its glory?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Grovyle on March 24, 2010, 03:08:47 pm

Ever visited the Iberian Peninsula?
(or, in layman's terms, ever visited Portugal/Spain/Andorra?)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aksel on March 24, 2010, 03:52:16 pm

Aragorn, ever been in Norway? :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Fabio on March 24, 2010, 05:04:38 pm

Quote from: EliteTerm on March 24, 2010, 08:56:50 am

Are you still hopeful for MTA:VC to return back to its glory?

That would be so sweet... :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Altair_Carter on April 08, 2010, 02:45:34 pm

Aragorn, why you're less active on forums, than, for example, Gandalf?

If you'll say "I'm busy", that's obvious. I mean, what are you busy with?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: rJCaiG on April 08, 2010, 03:01:10 pm

Quote from: Altair_Carter on April 08, 2010, 02:45:34 pm

Aragorn, why you're less active on forums, than, for example, Gandalf?

If you'll say "I'm busy", that's obvious. I mean, what are you busy with?

He has a very young child he's caring for. I would rather see less of Aragorn than for him to have a child that grows up without a father figure due to him dedicating all his time to Argonath.
Gandalf is doing a fine job in managing Argonath.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on April 26, 2010, 10:08:31 am

Quote from: Freedom on March 23, 2010, 12:03:34 am

Would you ever sell Argonath?

If it will become difficult to pay for - yes...

Quote from: EliteTerm on March 24, 2010, 08:56:50 am

Are you still hopeful for MTA:VC to return back to its glory?

That depends on players who liked MTA:VC and are not still bored to visit it...

Quote from: Grovyle on March 24, 2010, 03:08:47 pm

Ever visited the Iberian Peninsula?
(or, in layman's terms, ever visited Portugal/Spain/Andorra?)

Not yet...

Quote from: Fabrizio on March 24, 2010, 03:52:16 pm

Aragorn, ever been in Norway? :)

No, but that is one of my targets in future, as I was reading about this country and liked what I saw...

Quote from: Altair_Carter on April 08, 2010, 02:45:34 pm

Aragorn, why you're less active on forums, than, for example, Gandalf?

If you'll say "I'm busy", that's obvious. I mean, what are you busy with?

First of all I was tired of Argonath... I hope you understand what it means to run such project and all what you get - tons of moaning and complains between players on each other... Such things bring a lot of negative, and I am not a cup or psychologist for gathering all negative... I am a human and also want to enjoy the life...

I am busy with getting the stable money for the projects being released, Argonath is one of them... And of cos with my family... :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: TheGreasyChopper on April 27, 2010, 12:15:31 pm

Did You guys eaven think Argonath would grow to such a big community like it is now? I mean in the begining when you made the very first Argonath server?

-Cheers ^^

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: JDC on April 28, 2010, 11:46:33 pm

The forum has 7,736 accounts as of press time, and at least 1,000+ active players :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gandalf on April 28, 2010, 11:50:53 pm

Quote from: big_dog_18 on April 27, 2010, 12:15:31 pm

Did You guys eaven think Argonath would grow to such a big community like it is now? I mean in the begining when you made the very first Argonath server?

-Cheers ^^

Not at all. At the time there was not any community of this size around.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: rJCaiG on April 29, 2010, 11:08:47 am

Will you guys be active ingame and RPing among the members again anytime soon? I miss the 2007 days when you could go on at any time and RP with Aragorn or Gandalf - you guys are awesome and I think a lot of the newer players don't really know much about your RP.

What do you guys think of the attitude of the community nowadays? Too snobby? Too moanish? Too serious?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Squeak on May 02, 2010, 04:14:48 am

Quote from: GiacJr on April 29, 2010, 11:08:47 am

Will you guys be active ingame and RPing among the members again anytime soon? I miss the 2007 days when you could go on at any time and RP with Aragorn or Gandalf - you guys are awesome and I think a lot of the newer players don't really know much about your RP.

I think they do, not under those names, though.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Amon Ra on May 13, 2010, 02:24:09 am

Quote from: GiacJr on April 29, 2010, 11:08:47 am

Will you guys be active ingame and RPing among the members again anytime soon? I miss the 2007 days when you could go on at any time and RP with Aragorn or Gandalf - you guys are awesome and I think a lot of the newer players don't really know much about your RP.

What do you guys think of the attitude of the community nowadays? Too snobby? Too moanish? Too serious?

No I hate RPing with them :(

I used to DM and they both kept on kicking me back in 2007 in MTA:VC, wait...I think I deserve that :lol:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Jserg on June 07, 2010, 05:02:40 pm

Ron or Ronnel.

Have you ever visited Greece? If yeah, Did u liked it? ^^

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: JDC on June 09, 2010, 08:45:25 am

Quote from: Amon Ra on May 13, 2010, 02:24:09 am

I used to DM and they both kept on kicking me back in 2007 in MTA:VC, wait...I think I deserve that :lol:

LeonSforza! :rofl:

How many other Argonath players have you guys met in real life? ;o

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mikro on August 10, 2010, 06:34:42 pm

Gandalf, do you live in a tent or a trailer? According to the member map you live on a grass field. (put the map mode on "sattellite" or "both") :razz:

And do you like going to the familly attraction park "Drievliet"? Since that is just besides that field.. ;)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Void on August 10, 2010, 06:56:59 pm

Quote from: JDCdesigns on June 09, 2010, 08:45:25 am

How many other Argonath players have you guys met in real life? ;o

This would be a perfect idea, but unbalanced organization/finances can ruin the plan.
I really that there are Dutchs swarming this server.

Although there are some Balkan territory users that I would arrange meeting with, gladly.
Mikro: I had a trailer, its awesome ... except the "Field-toilet" If you get me :lol:
My town has an extraordinary raster. My apartment is surrounded with buildings by each side, but behind those buildings are fields.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mikro on August 10, 2010, 07:28:11 pm

Quote from: Void on August 10, 2010, 06:56:59 pm

Mikro: I had a trailer, its awesome ... except the "Field-toilet" If you get me :lol:

Field-toilet.. I love them. It gives a great feeling off freedom (when you are all alone)

Kidden :lol:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Emre on August 12, 2010, 11:54:10 am

Ronnel - Did you get used to the VC:MP Commands now? :lol:

To you both - How are Babies doing? :roll:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on August 24, 2010, 08:27:49 am

Quote from: big_dog_18 on April 27, 2010, 12:15:31 pm

Did You guys eaven think Argonath would grow to such a big community like it is now? I mean in the begining when you made the very first Argonath server?

I think there is no any server founder in SAMP/MTA who thought his server will be popular... Usually the idea starts as a hobby... Hobby does not involve amount of people to share with...

Quote from: GiacJr on April 29, 2010, 11:08:47 am

Will you guys be active ingame and RPing among the members again anytime soon? I miss the 2007 days when you could go on at any time and RP with Aragorn or Gandalf - you guys are awesome and I think a lot of the newer players don't really know much about your RP.

What do you guys think of the attitude of the community nowadays? Too snobby? Too moanish? Too serious?

1. It is hard to Roleplay now... You are always disturbed and the standard roleplay you have been suggested to - kidnapping... Which for me is honestly boring... Amount of disturbance nowadays is incredible...

2. I think SAMP community is too serious, which affected on our SAMP server community as well... People come to server already with their feeling of roleplay... I never saw before so many gamers who like to be limited in freedom and be controlled as much as possible... I do not consider such gamers - the real fans of GTA, as GTA idea is totally opposite... Freedom and fun with real life elements - I think only Argonath RPG carries this Rockstar idea...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ragdoll on August 30, 2010, 09:07:50 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on August 24, 2010, 08:27:49 am

I think there is no any server founder in SAMP/MTA who thought his server will be popular... Usually the idea starts as a hobby... Hobby does not involve amount of people to share with...

1. It is hard to Roleplay now... You are always disturbed and the standard roleplay you have been suggested to - kidnapping... Which for me is honestly boring... Amount of disturbance nowadays is incredible...

2. I think SAMP community is too serious, which affected on our SAMP server community as well... People come to server already with their feeling of roleplay... I never saw before so many gamers who like to be limited in freedom and be controlled as much as possible... I do not consider such gamers - the real fans of GTA, as GTA idea is totally opposite... Freedom and fun with real life elements - I think only Argonath RPG carries this Rockstar idea...

how about you come on server and rp as a freecop ?? :rofl:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Eugene on September 03, 2010, 08:58:31 am

question,
is auto aim allowed ig?
it can be turned on in options, its not a mod or anything like that

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Freedom on September 05, 2010, 10:26:30 am

Quote from: Eugene on September 03, 2010, 08:58:31 am

question,
is auto aim allowed ig?
it can be turned on in options, its not a mod or anything like that

It's not synced anyways

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: speedboy on September 18, 2010, 03:24:56 pm

Question: How do guys who Applied for Admin in SAMP, see if they are accept or denied ?

Another Question: Could someone delete my Application in SA:MP admins Applications ? Reason: I forgot to write how long i played on argonath and i want to make a new topic coz the current one will get denied for sure ! Topic name: Admin application: John Luciano

another question: Modder are working on Mafia 2 Multiplayer. When its finished. Will there be a Mafia 2 Argonath RPG ? Would be SOOOOOOO cool

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Emre on September 18, 2010, 08:20:05 pm

Maybe this has been asked before,maybe not :
How did you guys get to the Idea to create this -From small to grand- Community,back in 2006? :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Freedom on September 18, 2010, 09:28:00 pm

Quote from: speedboy on September 18, 2010, 03:24:56 pm

Another Question: Could someone delete my Application in SA:MP admins Applications ? Reason: I forgot to write how long i played on argonath and i want to make a new topic coz the current one will get denied for sure ! Topic name: Admin application: John Luciano

just edit the old one, genius

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: speedboy on September 19, 2010, 12:30:24 pm

Quote from: Freedom on September 18, 2010, 09:28:00 pm

just edit the old one, genius

hahaha your so clever... ITS NOT EDITABLE -.-"

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: crohunter on September 21, 2010, 04:04:14 pm

Question to Owners:

Can i keep my name on argonath its Smeagol, or do i need to change it.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: [Rstar]Razor on September 28, 2010, 12:41:43 am

Quote from: crohunter on September 21, 2010, 04:04:14 pm

Question to Owners:

Can i keep my name on argonath its Smeagol, or do i need to change it.

I think you need to change it, LOTR names only for developers. ;)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Leon. on September 28, 2010, 12:46:31 am

If you think Kidnaps are old, what about if I stuck 2 pounds of C4 to your chest?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Freedom on September 28, 2010, 09:07:16 pm

Quote from: MetalLuigiX on September 28, 2010, 12:46:31 am

If you think Kidnaps are old, what about if I stuck 2 pounds of C4 to your chest?

cops come, kill everyone, hostage dies.
Then they just call it a day.

In some cases, suspects make their getaway, hostage dies. Cops still call it a day.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Altair_Carter on September 29, 2010, 05:37:41 pm

Quote from: crohunter on September 21, 2010, 04:04:14 pm

Question to Owners:

Can i keep my name on argonath its Smeagol, or do i need to change it.

If i remember correct, someone used that LOTR name.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on October 27, 2010, 09:23:35 pm

Quote from: Niko on August 30, 2010, 09:07:50 pm

how about you come on server and rp as a freecop ?? :rofl:

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59707.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59707.0)

Quote from: Eugene on September 03, 2010, 08:58:31 am

is auto aim allowed ig?

Yes

Quote from: speedboy on September 18, 2010, 03:24:56 pm

Question: How do guys who Applied for Admin in SAMP, see if they are accept or denied ?

There will be several waves of new moderators... Each wave will be announced in a separate topic in "SA:MP General" discussions...

Quote from: speedboy on September 18, 2010, 03:24:56 pm

Another Question: Could someone delete my Application in SA:MP admins Applications ? Reason: I forgot to write how long i played on argonath and i want to make a new topic coz the current one will get denied for sure ! Topic name: Admin application: John Luciano

The applications are closed... Send to any of the main admins the new topic and they will replace...

Quote from: speedboy on September 18, 2010, 03:24:56 pm

another question: Modder are working on Mafia 2 Multiplayer. When its finished. Will there be a Mafia 2 Argonath RPG ? Would be SOOOOOOO cool

We are not sure there will be Mafia 2 multiplayer, as we did not see the first their project finished yet...
When it will be finished we will see...

Quote from: Emre on September 18, 2010, 08:20:05 pm

Maybe this has been asked before,maybe not :
How did you guys get to the Idea to create this -From small to grand- Community,back in 2006? :)

The community where we were playing was dieing "successfully" so we decided to try it out if we can run it in our way and with our vision of GTA multiplayer server...

I still see the only server which carries GTA spirit - is Argonath RPG...

Quote from: crohunter on September 21, 2010, 04:04:14 pm

Can i keep my name on argonath its Smeagol, or do i need to change it.

Not on our servers...

Quote from: MetalLuigiX on September 28, 2010, 12:46:31 am

If you think Kidnaps are old, what about if I stuck 2 pounds of C4 to your chest?

The one non-active role I ever preferred is to drive the train... I can read chat and not care a lot about street fights or chases by police...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Nexxt on October 27, 2010, 09:44:18 pm

Hi RON, when you are going to be a traindriver again? :o

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ~Legend~ on October 28, 2010, 02:16:31 pm

Quick question from me....

Will you guys ever be able to come along to VC:MP for a little while? Just to boost support? With our new server version running, it's really nice and quite active. Come down one day, it would be pro. :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on November 01, 2010, 12:43:46 am

Will you ever make a thread like this on ParUni.com :help:?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Altair_Carter on November 04, 2010, 02:38:19 pm

Why the server became even more slower.....?

ArgonathRpg loads slower than me.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on November 04, 2010, 09:53:50 pm

Quote from: InfernalCurse on November 01, 2010, 12:43:46 am

Will you ever make a thread like this on ParUni.com :help:?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SavioR88 on November 17, 2010, 10:42:52 am

My question is why you put webmaster when they even don't help to users on this forum...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: rJCaiG on November 17, 2010, 11:10:40 am

Quote from: DreamKiller on November 17, 2010, 10:42:52 am

My question is why you put webmaster when they even don't help to users on this forum...

Hint @ Gandalf: I'd help people :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SavioR88 on November 17, 2010, 11:18:33 am

Quote from: GiacJr on November 17, 2010, 11:10:40 am

Hint @ Gandalf: I'd help people :D

lol... i requested a changename on the forum but no one done that... its just 1 min :redface:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: diddeh on November 18, 2010, 07:20:46 am

Will the SA:MP Administrator applications board ever be unlocked again?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ~Legend~ on November 19, 2010, 09:36:58 pm

Quote from: DreamKiller on November 17, 2010, 11:18:33 am

lol... i requested a changename on the forum but no one done that... its just 1 min :redface:

Yea? I managed to get it sorted fairly shortly (a few months ago). They must be quite busy, perhaps...
But a reform would do a lot of good.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SavioR88 on November 28, 2010, 12:09:38 am

Quote from: ~Legend~ on November 19, 2010, 09:36:58 pm

Yea? I managed to get it sorted fairly shortly (a few months ago). They must be quite busy, perhaps...
But a reform would do a lot of good.

If they are busy and don't have time for the forum i still cant get the fuck thing why they are accepting job that they don't have time for. I know they have life, school and other important things, just let the work to someone other who has time

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ~Legend~ on December 01, 2010, 11:23:54 am

Well, it might just be that they were up for the job when it was available. They are not quite new to the role.

But yes, I see what you mean.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on December 09, 2010, 08:27:57 am

Quote from: Nexxt on October 27, 2010, 09:44:18 pm

Hi RON, when you are going to be a traindriver again? :o

When I will be available

Quote from: ~Legend~ on October 28, 2010, 02:16:31 pm

Will you guys ever be able to come along to VC:MP for a little while? Just to boost support? With our new server version running, it's really nice and quite active. Come down one day, it would be pro. :)

See the answer before. I tried to connect once to VCMP but did not succeed.

Quote from: InfernalCurse on November 01, 2010, 12:43:46 am

Will you ever make a thread like this on ParUni.com :help:?

Good idea, as it is the only way to talk to owners on public.

Quote from: Altair_Carter on November 04, 2010, 02:38:19 pm

Why the server became even more slower.....?

We will check the problem soon if it is not only for you but for many gamers...

Quote from: SavioR88 on November 17, 2010, 10:42:52 am

My question is why you put webmaster when they even don't help to users on this forum...

Because due to incorrect saving their passwords, webmasters lost this possibility...
We will recheck the rights of the teams on forums...

Quote from: GiacJr on November 17, 2010, 11:10:40 am

Hint @ Gandalf: I'd help people :D

Webmaster is not just to change peoples titles on requests...

Quote from: diddeh on November 18, 2010, 07:20:46 am

Will the SA:MP Administrator applications board ever be unlocked again?

We have enough applications from gamers... And many of them are worth to try as moderators. So the answer is - no...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ~Legend~ on December 09, 2010, 08:55:27 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on December 09, 2010, 08:27:57 am

See the answer before. I tried to connect once to VCMP but did not succeed.

Ah man, that's sad to hear.
In any case this (http://www.vicecitymultiplayer.com) is the area for downloading the VC:MP client.

And our server (just for quick reference) IP is: 178.63.52.144:5192

:D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Leon. on December 28, 2010, 09:34:18 am

You guys do know that regardless of our arguments, my trolling, and my punishments, I still like and respect both of you for who you are, amirite?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: FastSh00T on January 06, 2011, 02:55:43 am

How to chat with Sauron?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Smith on January 06, 2011, 09:17:40 am

When the Admin Applications are open again. Will the new moderator's be chosen out the list of people who are currently applicants. Or will they all dissapear and everyone need to make a application again ?

Signed Mr Smith.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Charles_Carter on January 10, 2011, 05:39:55 am

Aragorn what is ur name irl?got family?can upload pics?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: JDC on January 10, 2011, 01:20:30 pm

Uhm... isn't that getting a little too personal?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mikro on January 10, 2011, 02:40:06 pm

Quote from: JDCdesigns on January 10, 2011, 01:20:30 pm

Uhm... isn't that getting a little too personal?

Owh.. I guess I can't ask for their bank account number then...

But indeed. The Argonath owners will high likely not post their names or post pics if themselves. That is for a reason, especially with such a large community. About the family: on different topics over the forum you can find that Aragorn (if I am right...) got a little child to take care of. That says enough about his family I think. Owh, and Gandalf got a cat. :razz:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on January 13, 2011, 08:54:15 am

I saw RON once, and his snub-nose gun. I saved the pictures but lost them a long time ago. I felt like I had a treasure saved! Haha.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: FastSh00T on January 22, 2011, 04:25:55 pm

Quote from: Mikro on January 10, 2011, 02:40:06 pm

Owh.. I guess I can't ask for their bank account number then...

But indeed. The Argonath owners will high likely not post their names or post pics if themselves. That is for a reason, especially with such a large community. About the family: on different topics over the forum you can find that Aragorn (if I am right...) got a little child to take care of. That says enough about his family I think. Owh, and Gandalf got a cat. :razz:

and Gandalf got little babies too

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Freedom on January 22, 2011, 09:25:44 pm

Why did you move to the Netherlands?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Charles_Carter on January 24, 2011, 09:49:25 am

Aragorn can you please check the pm by me...

I know your a busy man and all and so you get lots of pms and you may have lost me in the flood but please,this is important to me!

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on February 09, 2011, 01:31:48 am

Quote from: FastSh00T on January 06, 2011, 02:55:43 am

How to chat with Sauron?

Go in church in game and do /me puts hands together and dances for Sauron to appear.

or

email [email protected]

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Leon. on February 15, 2011, 02:25:09 am

Quote from: Freedom on January 22, 2011, 09:25:44 pm

Why did you move to the Netherlands?

They didn't. Sauron did.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Exclusive. on February 15, 2011, 03:25:28 pm

All the owners live in The Netherlands, don't they?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on February 20, 2011, 07:24:51 am

*looks around*
Are you still with us?

Can you give opinions about the forum / site suggestions.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: FastSh00T on February 20, 2011, 07:03:55 pm

Quote from: [NP]Monte Montague on February 09, 2011, 01:31:48 am

Go in church in game and do /me puts hands together and dances for Sauron to appear.

or

email [email protected]

:neutral:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Alessandro on March 08, 2011, 02:44:20 am

I have a forums login problem on Google Chrome browser. On FireFox everything works fine (I checked automatically login to forums) but on Chrome i still need to click on login or click anywhere else on forums and am logged after that. Anyone have same problem ?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Altair_Carter on March 08, 2011, 12:35:43 pm

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Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aldo on March 12, 2011, 07:30:25 am

Ever visited my sexy country called USA?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ~Jericho on March 20, 2011, 09:10:09 pm

Quote from: Aldo on March 12, 2011, 07:30:25 am

Ever visited my sexy country called USA?

that slut stole meh money :(

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: JDC on March 29, 2011, 10:35:27 pm

How many lines are there in the RS4.1 script? I'd like an idea of the magnitude of the scripts.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Jack Bauer on April 28, 2011, 09:21:36 am

Quote from: Alessandro on March 08, 2011, 02:44:20 am

I have a forums login problem on Google Chrome browser. On FireFox everything works fine (I checked automatically login to forums) but on Chrome i still need to click on login or click anywhere else on forums and am logged after that. Anyone have same problem ?

Sometimes, but I also have problems on the World of Warcraft site with google chrome.
That's why I dumbed the Chrome and took Firefox :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ryan C. on May 04, 2011, 02:33:08 am

Gandalf/Aragorn or Ron/Ronnel can you add me on msn([email protected]) I have some questions I would like to ask you concerning Argonath, feel free to PM me, if you are not able to add me on msn

Ryan Collin

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: JorJ. on May 28, 2011, 08:53:53 pm

Hello dear Owners :D,i have a question.When i gave to someone money,but he's banned and i want to sue hum,but i don't know the date and any pictures,what should i do ?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on June 13, 2011, 09:08:12 am

Quote from: uZwPaTeH.. on May 28, 2011, 08:53:53 pm

Hello dear Owners :D,i have a question.When i gave to someone money,but he's banned and i want to sue hum,but i don't know the date and any pictures,what should i do ?

Should just continue playing...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on June 13, 2011, 09:14:51 am

Quote from: Freedom on January 22, 2011, 09:25:44 pm

Why did you move to the Netherlands?

We did not move... We stopped...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on June 13, 2011, 09:22:48 am

Quote from: Charles_Carter on January 10, 2011, 05:39:55 am

Aragorn what is ur name irl?got family?can upload pics?

Yes I got a family... As about my photo, after it started be used by facebook users as their own personal faces and after several virtual stalks by girls (do not want to accuse all girls, that were several and looks like b*tches), I swore never upload any of my photos...

The main reason why dont I release my real name is Virtual...

I do not suggest to do it to my family and I do suggest you the same... Use Virtual as Virtual, do not mess it with Real Life stuff, neither names nor addresses, nor phones, etc... Virtual will never be secured... And it simply does not deserve the private hearts...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Drix on June 15, 2011, 03:03:06 pm

You probably had a question like this before, but i want to make it clear to myself and also the players.. so here it goes..
EX - Your chasing a suspect, you blow up his car and he attempts to get into some other car.. am i allowed to get on the roof and shoot the car till it blows up?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on June 17, 2011, 06:04:31 pm

Quote from: Drix on June 15, 2011, 03:03:06 pm

Your chasing a suspect, you blow up his car and he attempts to get into some other car.. am i allowed to get on the roof and shoot the car till it blows up?

Yes...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Freedom on June 18, 2011, 12:13:27 am

What do you do for a living?/What is your job?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: juppie445 on July 09, 2011, 02:46:30 am

Correct me if i am wrong, but i was free to just go and talk here right?

Anyways, first i need to get this of my chest; i know you guys are "virtual" ( as you describe it ) stars,
but i always wondered how you could manage to keep up with the constant trash talking and bullshit.

As for the same with the asskissers, haters and fans. I come from different perspectives and i have been
here so f*cking long i have seen it all, i only never quite got the fact why there are no actual rules set up
for asking for paydays and lotto. If one person says "lotto" there is 100precent spam, and by that i dont mean that the people who spam should be crucified, but the person who was the cause should.

Also, how you guys relate to the server yourself? i dont have to question if your inside UC or not
but whats your personal opinion on the server and its current state. And is there a possibility to create
a "cult" with political and IG religious purposes to the extend of propaganda and official government positions. Because Argonath is neither Communism nor Democracy, can we start our own political environments?

Chitchat;
Today, i did have fun on a eccentric base had a short kind of talk with Ron, and he asked me is the human race native natural? That question made me laugh and frown at the same time, because in my dark character and pessimistic point of view, i came to this silly conclusion:

Humans - Nature, is one while its not. Yes, lets create a paradox out of this.
IF nature, then all should be equal, man, woman, animal yet this is not the order which we life in.
IF unnatural, everything we see now.

Lets see Native as - (a.) Found in nature uncombined with other elements.

Yet this does not show what i am getting at, Darwin separated men from ape, only i find this hard to accept due to the fact that they are a lot look a like, but we are more "intelligent" this can make me come up with all these crazy theories as Alien conspiracy theory's to chemical malfunctions in the evolution process. But, as i personally think that the word "native" cant be in place, since humanoids in itself should be considered the same as animals and insects, its all life its all "soul", even god if you will.
The thing that bothers me is the word "natural" since if it was, then there should be a species equal to our
intelligence, as in the same but different. I can not link human to nature, as my personal experiences with
humans make me think irrational while rational does not exist. Its an cycle which i am trapped in, and you all as well. We dont know where we "came" from so we preach to the sky hoping it will answer,
biblical literature almost makes me think its about outer space life forms genetically manipulating us to the point we are now.

Long story short because i could go on ages and ages, Native? No.
Natural? No.

Haha, i cant say we are natural, since i cant understand mankind, while i can understand the world
and its creatures non humanoid. I can and will separate us from nature, as we are the weaker kind,
the kind that has no "natural" enemies but ourselves, the selfishness and ability to hurt our own and any other kind without a proper reason, make us the true definition of evil, while evil has no true meaning at all.

Sincerely,

JupZ ^^

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on July 09, 2011, 06:58:15 am

Quote from: Ryan C. on May 04, 2011, 02:33:08 am

Gandalf/Aragorn or Ron/Ronnel can you add me on msn([email protected]) I have some questions I would like to ask you concerning Argonath, feel free to PM me, if you are not able to add me on msn
Ryan Collin

Added

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ryan C. on July 09, 2011, 07:16:02 am

Thanks

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: JasonSaint on July 28, 2011, 05:00:41 pm

hello,

in which country are the argonath servers stationed?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: FastSh00T on August 01, 2011, 04:09:29 am

Quote from: JasonSaint on July 28, 2011, 05:00:41 pm

hello,

in which country are the argonath servers stationed?

I think that they use one server but with different ports for mutliplayer games and server is at Germany, however they can correct me If I'm wrong.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on August 01, 2011, 12:29:54 pm

Quote from: JasonSaint on July 28, 2011, 05:00:41 pm

hello,

in which country are the argonath servers stationed?

All are in Germany...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on August 01, 2011, 12:35:17 pm

Quote from: juppie445 on July 09, 2011, 02:46:30 am

Humans - Nature, is one while its not. Yes, lets create a paradox out of this.
IF nature, then all should be equal, man, woman, animal yet this is not the order which we life in.
IF unnatural, everything we see now.

JupZ,
before taking decision about humanity you should first answer to yourself one question: what's the goal of humanity... And the answer on this question will give you answer if humanity is natural...

Hint: that humans do use tools (difference in way from animals) and have nigh technology there must be still something that never changes in ages and that technology cannot change it as well...

And then you will have much more interesting question - are animals natural? :trust:

Answers on this questions will open one cover over the Worlds creation...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Julio. on August 01, 2011, 12:35:23 pm

Why do you always put three dots after each Sentence Aragorn? Always wondered :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on August 01, 2011, 12:37:59 pm

Quote from: Freedom on June 18, 2011, 12:13:27 am

What do you do for a living?/What is your job?

We are working on a sort of hidden projects...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on August 01, 2011, 12:46:10 pm

Quote from: joedaman633 on August 01, 2011, 12:35:23 pm

Why do you always put three dots after each Sentence Aragorn? Always wondered :D

It came from Russian language style I used from the beginning of my internet communications... The thing is in Russian three dots mean "not ended" sentence, not finished, there is something what could be added...

I started to use it on Russian internet of philosophical and religious forums, where you could not tell all thought in one simple sentence and have to use several, and where one idea has many directions to be developed, like a tree...

And where after "Hello" always is something to be told...

If my idea is finished I usually use one dot. :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Julio. on August 01, 2011, 12:51:13 pm

Oh, that makes sense now, thanks. :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SFTC on August 02, 2011, 04:04:50 am

Quote from: Aragorn on August 01, 2011, 12:46:10 pm

It came from Russian language style I used from the beginning of my internet communications... The thing is in Russian three dots mean "not ended" sentence, not finished, there is something what could be added...

I started to use it on Russian internet of philosophical and religious forums, where you could not tell all thought in one simple sentence and have to use several, and where one idea has many directions to be developed, like a tree...

And where after "Hello" always is something to be told...

If my idea is finished I usually use one dot. :D

I use it in school. We are learning than in lenguage, when we finsih it final dot, when we have to continue 3 dots.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Jellyfish on August 02, 2011, 04:32:07 pm

So wierd......
I just add random dots....

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: JDC on August 04, 2011, 03:45:24 pm

I've always connected the triple dot ending to a person trailing off a sentence as it ends, like something drifting off into the wind...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Squeak on August 04, 2011, 08:32:42 pm

I always used it as a pause, which is why I hate reading Aragorn's post. ALL OF THE PAUSES.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Cofiliano on August 05, 2011, 11:18:56 pm

Three dots are a symbol of etc in our language as well.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on August 06, 2011, 07:25:17 am

Quote from: Squeak on August 04, 2011, 08:32:42 pm

I always used it as a pause, which is why I hate reading Aragorn's post. ALL OF THE PAUSES.

I do suppose that Squeak_ARAATUS hates my posts by other reason... Cos hardly Squeak's language is using three dots in the end of sentence (talking phrase) as pausing... Its just impossible...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Squeak on August 06, 2011, 08:20:34 am

Quote from: Aragorn on August 06, 2011, 07:25:17 am

I do suppose that Squeak_ARAATUS hates my posts by other reason... Cos hardly Squeak's language is using three dots in the end of sentence (talking phrase) as pausing... Its just impossible...

Inferring something that wasn't implied...
(http://www.quakekare.com/images/ProductImages/6f_lar_waterproof_matches.jpg)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: jinjifliaktor on August 25, 2011, 04:44:26 pm

I want to ask you if you watch football. And if so, what is your favorite team.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: JSirius on September 01, 2011, 06:42:21 pm

when a criminal are without weapons , and suspect , cops cant use fire weapons on criminal right?

Flowerz killed me when im suspect and me arent with weapons or armour.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pandalink on September 01, 2011, 08:04:45 pm

Quote from: JSirius on September 01, 2011, 06:42:21 pm

when a criminal are without weapons , and suspect , cops cant use fire weapons on criminal right?

Flowerz killed me when im suspect and me arent with weapons or armour.

This should probably go in the developers answers thread.
However, as I understand it, if you stand still and constantly fail to surrender when asked, or run away, they can use weapons even if you are personally unarmed, which is fair enough because how else can they get you?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Squeak on September 05, 2011, 07:40:40 pm

Why did you guys move from Russia?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: JayL on September 11, 2011, 08:55:35 pm

What do you think of the beach football final today Brazil vs. Russia?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: GakgosseN on November 23, 2011, 04:16:08 am

How can i talk to Ron/Ronnel on msn? Do you have a being online schedule or Do you use any other program like msn?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Murt on November 23, 2011, 05:10:26 pm

Quote from: GakgosseN on November 23, 2011, 04:16:08 am

How can i talk to Ron/Ronnel on msn? Do you have a being online schedule or Do you use any other program like msn?

I know both are inactive at the moment GakgosseN, havn't seen Ronnel on a long time either on my msn. So I guess they'll be back soon eventually.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: JDC on November 24, 2011, 01:41:00 pm

They have real lives to attend to (RON is known to have a family IRL as well), but they manage to keep the Argonath servers up and running. Is that not enough?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Julio. on November 24, 2011, 06:00:25 pm

Quote from: Murtaugh on November 23, 2011, 05:10:26 pm

I know both are inactive at the moment GakgosseN, havn't seen Ronnel on a long time either on my msn. So I guess they'll be back soon eventually.

Quote from: JDCdesigns on November 24, 2011, 01:41:00 pm

They have real lives to attend to (RON is known to have a family IRL as well), but they manage to keep the Argonath servers up and running. Is that not enough?

It's in regards to Paruni, management I think.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: JDC on December 03, 2011, 12:10:01 pm

Quote from: JDCdesigns on November 24, 2011, 01:41:00 pm

They have real lives to attend to (RON is known to have a family IRL as well), but they manage to keep the Argonath servers up and running. Is that not enough?

This is mainly addressed to anyone who has complained that the Owners barely attend to Argonath and aren't active enough, and I have seen more than one incident of such complaints.

Unless you are one of the above, I see no reason to be defensive.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Antonio. on December 04, 2011, 02:14:17 pm

Why is the sky blue?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Jubin on December 04, 2011, 02:30:03 pm

Quote from: Antonio. on December 04, 2011, 02:14:17 pm

Why is the sky blue?

The blue color of the sky is caused by the scattering of sunlight off the molecules of the atmosphere. This scattering, called Rayleigh scattering, is more effective at short wavelengths (the blue end of the visible spectrum). Therefore the light scattered down to the earth at a large angle with respect to the direction of the sun's light is predominantly in the blue end of the spectrum.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Antonio. on December 04, 2011, 03:01:17 pm

Sir, you are not one of the owners.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: JDC on December 26, 2011, 11:12:15 am

Will you guys be around to celebrate New Years' with us?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Jack White on December 26, 2011, 12:36:47 pm

Quote from: JDCdesigns on December 26, 2011, 11:12:15 am

Will you guys be around to celebrate New Years' with us?

Pretty sure they wanna be with their family and have fun instead of playing a game..

I honestly hope none is gonna be online at new years eve, lol.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Julio. on December 27, 2011, 02:14:26 am

Quote from: Jack White on December 26, 2011, 12:36:47 pm

Pretty sure they wanna be with their family and have fun instead of playing a game..

I honestly hope none is gonna be online at new years eve, lol.

It's not often I agree with Jack Black's alter ego, but this time, I DO.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: JDC on December 27, 2011, 02:42:07 am

Quote from: Jack White on December 26, 2011, 12:36:47 pm

Pretty sure they wanna be with their family and have fun instead of playing a game..

I honestly hope none is gonna be online at new years eve, lol.

I was hoping for that answer too, although I've just gotten used to seeing one of them every New Year's celebration I've been present in.

Argonath New Year is at 7 AM of January 1 for me anyway so I have no problem attending. :lol:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: JorJ. on January 28, 2012, 01:15:30 pm

When will you be again active,owners ? :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ben. on January 28, 2012, 01:25:01 pm

Family must come first!

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: JorJ. on January 28, 2012, 09:51:15 pm

Ofc.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Antonio. on January 28, 2012, 10:39:34 pm

Quote from: Drix on June 15, 2011, 03:03:06 pm

You probably had a question like this before, but i want to make it clear to myself and also the players.. so here it goes..
EX - Your chasing a suspect, you blow up his car and he attempts to get into some other car.. am i allowed to get on the roof and shoot the car till it blows up?

Quote from: Aragorn on June 17, 2011, 06:04:31 pm

Yes...

In regard to this, I am guessing suspects are allowed to do this to cops when they are fleeing from them after shooting at them? And, if you are after someone just in general for a valid reason, you are able to do this? I remember some months ago I did this and I was told this was not allowed.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pandalink on January 28, 2012, 11:18:24 pm

That is not allowed by anyone.

Quote from: Kojak on January 17, 2012, 07:29:37 pm

Police may not attempt to catch a suspect by car surfing on top of the suspect's vehicle. This means that not only are police not permitted to do damage to a suspect's vehicle while car surfing on it, but they also may not stay standing on the suspect's vehicle while the suspect is attempting to escape in it.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Julio. on January 29, 2012, 10:42:16 am

I don't think Kojak has seen the 'Transporter' films.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: TruthSvensson on February 14, 2012, 03:07:29 pm

What's up?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Nathan_Alexandrov on April 13, 2012, 06:55:15 pm

I'm curious... What vehicles do the Owners own IRL?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gandalf on April 13, 2012, 07:05:18 pm

Quote from: Nathan_Alexandrov on April 13, 2012, 06:55:15 pm

I'm curious... What vehicles do the Owners own IRL?

Family and luxury. ;)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Nathan_Alexandrov on April 13, 2012, 08:51:07 pm

Quote from: Gandalf on April 13, 2012, 07:05:18 pm

Family and luxury. ;)

Model specific? Your covering a large field vehicles with that...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on June 04, 2012, 06:47:34 am

Lets say we do prefer English auto production and some special Italian cars

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Reece on June 04, 2012, 06:00:37 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on June 04, 2012, 06:47:34 am

Lets say we do prefer English auto production

Bentley? :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on June 04, 2012, 06:12:50 pm

Jaguar and Alfa romeo. :cop:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: CharlieKasper on June 04, 2012, 07:35:08 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on June 04, 2012, 06:47:34 am

some special Italian cars

Maserati?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Freedom on June 04, 2012, 08:49:00 pm

inb4 Aston Martin DB9 & Ferrari California

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: murdoxix on June 06, 2012, 01:16:25 am

Can i know whats are the forum's ranks? [i'm talking about the ammount of Posts ranks]

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SugarD on June 06, 2012, 01:19:29 am

Quote from: murdoxix on June 06, 2012, 01:16:25 am

Can i know whats are the forum's ranks? [i'm talking about the ammount of Posts ranks]

The Post-Based ranks technically do not exist. This forum uses a mod to make them based on the amount of time you have spent here, rather than the number of posts you make, to prevent rank-hunting.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: murdoxix on June 06, 2012, 01:56:42 am

Quote from: [LA]SugarD on June 06, 2012, 01:19:29 am

The Post-Based ranks technically do not exist. This forum uses a mod to make them based on the amount of time you have spent here, rather than the number of posts you make, to prevent rank-hunting.

Oh, yes? WOW

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on June 08, 2012, 07:01:58 am

Quote from: crook on June 04, 2012, 06:12:50 pm

Jaguar and Alfa romeo. :cop:

Quote from: CharlieKasper on June 04, 2012, 07:35:08 pm

Maserati?

Two of it are in the list of what we had...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ~Legend~ on June 08, 2012, 10:35:05 am

Pretty sweet cars... can't lie. :P

A Lambo next?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on June 08, 2012, 01:37:07 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on June 08, 2012, 07:01:58 am

Two of it are in the list of what we had...

Awesome.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SugarD on June 08, 2012, 05:22:15 pm

Quote from: ~Legend~ on June 08, 2012, 10:35:05 am

Pretty sweet cars... can't lie. :P

A Lambo next?

They have kids now. Sadly it's mini-van time until those little ones grow up and move out. :lol:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ~Legend~ on June 09, 2012, 03:56:13 pm

Quote from: [LA]SugarD on June 08, 2012, 05:22:15 pm

They have kids now. Sadly it's mini-van time until those little ones grow up and move out. :lol:

Lol!

Well... I guess they wouldn't mind being dropped off at school in a Lamborghini, sure beats the school bus. :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SugarD on June 09, 2012, 04:57:00 pm

Quote from: ~Legend~ on June 09, 2012, 03:56:13 pm

Lol!

Well... I guess they wouldn't mind being dropped off at school in a Lamborghini, sure beats the school bus. :D

Hell, I'd love it too! Come pick me up! I already graduated, but I'd still love a ride to school in one just to get to ride in it! :lol:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kerbe on June 10, 2012, 01:30:08 pm

Hi

Are you going to visit IV:MP some time?
Thanks.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aca on June 10, 2012, 08:24:37 pm

Quote from: [LA]SugarD on June 06, 2012, 01:19:29 am

The Post-Based ranks technically do not exist. This forum uses a mod to make them based on the amount of time you have spent here, rather than the number of posts you make, to prevent rank-hunting.

How much time you need to spent here to have 'Veteran' rank?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kerbe on June 10, 2012, 10:38:42 pm

Quote from: Aca. on June 10, 2012, 08:24:37 pm

How much time you need to spent here to have 'Veteran' rank?

Should be 21 days.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SugarD on June 11, 2012, 02:50:21 am

Quote from: KerbeRiko on June 10, 2012, 10:38:42 pm

Should be 21 days.

I believe it increased to a few more days than this...for some reason I want to say 26, but I can't remember off-hand, to be honest.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pandalink on June 11, 2012, 08:27:07 am

What is the Orc rank?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SugarD on June 11, 2012, 09:57:14 pm

Quote from: Pandalink on June 11, 2012, 08:27:07 am

What is the Orc rank?

I'm not sure which comes first after Veteran, but I believe there's l33t and Orc, and I'm not sure if there's anything beyond that.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Huntsman on June 11, 2012, 10:00:08 pm

What do i do if i feel that im being abused and that a certain ARPD CMD Staff is conspiring against me and spreading misinformation against me?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SugarD on June 11, 2012, 11:00:14 pm

Quote from: Rytuklis on June 11, 2012, 10:00:08 pm

What do i do if i feel that im being abused and that a certain ARPD CMD Staff is conspiring against me and spreading misinformation against me?

Send an email to [email protected]. Not really something you should publicly post about. :P

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: murdoxix on June 26, 2012, 02:23:37 am

How to use table BBCode? :'(! I alreado use search, google it, and i can't find a good answer :S

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SugarD on June 26, 2012, 07:48:15 pm

Quote from: murdoxix on June 26, 2012, 02:23:37 am

How to use table BBCode? :'(! I alreado use search, google it, and i can't find a good answer :S

That is not really something meant for this topic. You may have better luck creating a new topic regarding it in this same board. :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Freedom on June 26, 2012, 08:03:51 pm

Is the project of Hand of Law abandoned or...?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SugarD on June 26, 2012, 08:09:59 pm

Quote from: Freedom on June 26, 2012, 08:03:51 pm

Is the project of Hand of Law abandoned or...?

According to Gandalf about 2 months ago, they are still working on it, but they are focused on other things at the moment.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ~Legend~ on June 27, 2012, 08:16:14 pm

A lot of people have been asking about the forum ranks recently... yeah some of the rarer ones cropping up these days - Orc, L33t/l33t, as well as the older Veteran and Hero.

How about the 'A.R.U.N Diplomat' - some food for thought. :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Freedom on June 27, 2012, 08:39:22 pm

Quote from: [LA]SugarD on June 26, 2012, 08:09:59 pm

According to Gandalf about 2 months ago, they are still working on it, but they are focused on other things at the moment.

Great!

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on June 27, 2012, 08:40:10 pm

What ever happened to forum mod stuff

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kirgiz on August 06, 2012, 11:51:23 pm

Aragorn, is this your website?
http://www.severus.angeland.ru/

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on August 07, 2012, 12:22:04 am

Quote from: Kirgiz on August 06, 2012, 11:51:23 pm

Aragorn, is this your website?
http://www.severus.angeland.ru/

Yeah, that is my own personal site... Why ask? )))

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on August 07, 2012, 12:26:19 am

Quote from: Freedom on June 26, 2012, 08:03:51 pm

Is the project of Hand of Law abandoned or...?

It has a long pause due to lack of time... Besides it we are looking for a good animator - the guy who can adjust 3d models to the animation (work with skeleton)... We do have animations, models and buildings...

If things will be better and more time, with the good animator, Hand Of Law will go better...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on August 07, 2012, 12:30:19 am

Quote from: KerbeRiko on June 10, 2012, 01:30:08 pm

Hi

Are you going to visit IV:MP some time?
Thanks.

Sure... )))

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Nathan_Alexandrov on August 07, 2012, 05:53:50 pm

To Aragorn: How old are you? I keep getting very different answers.

To everyone else: What animal companions do you all have?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ricardo_Banderaz on August 08, 2012, 01:48:22 am

It would be nice to see you on IV:MP, aragorn. A question, why do you use brackets? :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on August 08, 2012, 09:27:19 am

Quote from: Nathan_Alexandrov on August 07, 2012, 05:53:50 pm

To Aragorn: How old are you? I keep getting very different answers.

To everyone else: What animal companions do you all have?

I am 37...

Cats... Only cats... )))

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on August 08, 2012, 09:28:38 am

Quote from: Ricardo_Banderaz on August 08, 2012, 01:48:22 am

It would be nice to see you on IV:MP, aragorn. A question, why do you use brackets? :D

Thats a Russian smile )))
Used to use it on Russian forums and chats...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ricardo_Banderaz on August 08, 2012, 03:21:40 pm

Ah, great. :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Nathan_Alexandrov on August 08, 2012, 05:26:51 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on August 08, 2012, 09:27:19 am

I am 37...

Cats... Only cats... )))

Ah, heard somewhere you were forty something.

Amen to the cats, I have a Persian myself, think there's a picture on the pets topic..

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Radagast on August 08, 2012, 05:54:52 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on August 07, 2012, 12:22:04 am

Yeah, that is my own personal site... Why ask? )))

"Interesting" photos there... :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Leroy_Kolta on August 14, 2012, 05:29:32 am

Quote from: Janek on August 08, 2012, 05:54:52 pm

"Interesting" photos there... :D

Uhm yeah.. I don't personally recommend you view the web page with your family sitting next to you... What a fail that was trying to explain the situation to them D=

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mario_Rinna on August 14, 2012, 11:43:00 am

Quote from: Leroy_Kolta on August 14, 2012, 05:29:32 am

Uhm yeah.. I don't personally recommend you view the web page with your family sitting next to you... What a fail that was trying to explain the situation to them D=

And if your family knew Russian language, you would be dead already. :skull:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Leroy_Kolta on August 15, 2012, 01:48:20 am

Quote from: Mario_Rinna on August 14, 2012, 11:43:00 am

And if your family knew Russian language, you would be dead already. :skull:

Google Chrome auto translates :(

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: JDC on August 15, 2012, 01:58:22 am

Quote from: Leroy_Kolta on August 15, 2012, 01:48:20 am

Google Chrome auto translates :(

That's why I use Opera. :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: McGarrett on August 15, 2012, 02:58:24 am

I love comicbooks, I wish I had thought bubbles.. Safari for the win.. Opera bugs my email ):

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Darxez on August 24, 2012, 11:50:54 pm

What kind of school did you guys do and in what kind of direction do I have to look for the jobs you guys got exclusive owning a community ?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Jack Rosso on August 30, 2012, 06:01:21 pm

Aragorn, i wonder why you use that much dots at the end of your sentences.

Quote from: Aragorn on August 06, 2012, 06:16:22 am

As normal catalogue with downloads...
Its in process...

Quote from: Aragorn on June 03, 2012, 08:25:48 am

Ask yourselves... Maybe you just need to change your attitude to people?.....................

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Freedom on August 31, 2012, 09:59:21 pm

Quote from: Jack Rosso on August 30, 2012, 06:01:21 pm

Aragorn, i wonder why you use that much dots at the end of your sentences.

He has already answered that question ;)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mark_DeCaval on August 31, 2012, 10:08:46 pm

+1 point for Aragorn, good idea. Nice to see such dialogue, even tho some questions are... strange.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Vans on September 02, 2012, 01:12:48 am

Aragorn & Gandalf, Gandalf & Aragorn how old are you?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Acer. on September 08, 2012, 11:07:46 pm

I want to dialog with gandalf .
Text
Can you give me a last chande to be unbaned. I want to talk with you some things pls send me with pm your msn

Signed
Denis

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: [WS]Jacob on September 08, 2012, 11:09:50 pm

Quote from: Acer. on September 08, 2012, 11:07:46 pm

I want to dialog with gandalf .
Text
Can you give me a last chande to be unbaned. I want to talk with you some things pls send me with pm your msn

Signed
Denis

Wrong place. Take it to the unban request sections.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Yao on December 12, 2012, 03:06:32 pm

if someone carjacks me and i carjack him to getmycar back im also rulebracking?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: AK47 on December 12, 2012, 04:42:27 pm

Quote from: Yao on December 12, 2012, 03:06:32 pm

if someone carjacks me and i carjack him to getmycar back im also rulebracking?

Yes, since you breaking the rule by carjacking it back, it's better if you /report him and wait for an admin.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: RizzE. on February 25, 2013, 03:57:27 pm

You should change the rules when it comes to Drive-By. Let's say a suspect is alone in a car and i get suspected for evading that person should not get db'd i mean it's pity crime, but if the suspect is wanted for murder then it's a diffrent story. Driving is a big part of SA and i like a good chase.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SugarD on February 26, 2013, 01:16:33 am

Quote from: RizzE. on February 25, 2013, 03:57:27 pm

You should change the rules when it comes to Drive-By. Let's say a suspect is alone in a car and i get suspected for evading that person should not get db'd i mean it's pity crime, but if the suspect is wanted for murder then it's a diffrent story. Driving is a big part of SA and i like a good chase.

If you're referring to SA:MP, I believe there were rules at some point or another that it was based on either being a severe crime, or a faster vehicle. For that you may have to check the SA:MP SAPD procedures and protocols information (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=28421.0) on ARPD Forums (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/)...but I believe they have something in place to prevent the cars from being straight-up shot at from another police vehicle.

As for other servers, I don't think specific rules are set due to desync problems, or the lack of information being decided upon yet for them.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: RizzE. on February 26, 2013, 01:12:07 pm

Quote from: SugarD on February 26, 2013, 01:16:33 am

If you're referring to SA:MP, I believe there were rules at some point or another that it was based on either being a severe crime, or a faster vehicle. For that you may have to check the SA:MP SAPD procedures and protocols information (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=28421.0) on ARPD Forums (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/)...but I believe they have something in place to prevent the cars from being straight-up shot at from another police vehicle.

As for other servers, I don't think specific rules are set due to desync problems, or the lack of information being decided upon yet for them.

Thank you, now i got my answer, i got to read all the regulations and it was pretty intresting. But because not all regulations are being followed as we all know, maybe some changes can be made.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SugarD on February 27, 2013, 12:43:04 am

Quote from: RizzE. on February 26, 2013, 01:12:07 pm

Thank you, now i got my answer, i got to read all the regulations and it was pretty intresting. But because not all regulations are being followed as we all know, maybe some changes can be made.

Not a problem man. Feel free to ask here or there if you have any more related questions. :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: RizzE. on March 02, 2013, 01:07:47 am

I have a another question. Okay i know who most regular players are now. Let's say im a suspect and i decide to surrender to a cop i havnt seen before /gu, i always get suspicious when it's an unknown cop. He steps outside and starts to fire i have no time to contact admin/report. Can i use /q then or is it abuse? What i mean is the 1k when cops kill you. Sure they get fined 2500 if they kill an /gu suspect but they deserve it.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Salmonella on March 02, 2013, 01:34:09 am

Quote from: RizzE. on March 02, 2013, 01:07:47 am

I have a another question. Okay i know who most regular players are now. Let's say im a suspect and i decide to surrender to a cop i havnt seen before /gu, i always get suspicious when it's an unknown cop. He steps outside and starts to fire i have no time to contact admin/report. Can i use /q then or is it abuse? What i mean is the 1k when cops kill you. Sure they get fined 2500 if they kill an /gu suspect but they deserve it.

I've actually been curious about the same thing a long time ago. ;)

You should just surrender, because when you surrender, you're frozen, and the cop can't kill you. If they cuff you and still start shooting, you can just run away from them and be frozen again, then you contact an admin as soon as possible. Never use /q for that, because that's /q (script)abuse. There's no reason not to trust a stranger in Argonath. Just give people (cops in this case) a chance, and do what I explained if they start to rulebreak.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Exterminator on March 02, 2013, 02:42:00 pm

Today several groups organized for a large scale assault, we get armed and we mobilize.
Just as the group is headed to target, we get stalked by the PD and then are asked to pull over, we have no choice but to do so in order to avoid ruining the role play. We are asked to do monkey tricks and we have no choice since there is a officer parked right in front of us threatening to ruin the entire damn role play if we don't do exactly as he says.

The role play has been delayed by a lot and the prey could log off any moment.
A few of us get pissed off and kill the officer, then jail the killer. We are then admin dealt with because apparently now jailing your own friends is against the server rules.

What are your your thoughts on this?

Note: I am here asking for a opinion from the owners,not from the SAPD or the FBI or from the admin team. I already interviewed several admins, and even they have different opinions on what should and shouldn't have been done, so i want to know what the server owners think.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: RizzE. on March 21, 2013, 12:38:24 am

Okay this question is involving /hit. So yesterday i accepted a hit, i pmed an admin and i asked about carrying out hits solo or with friends. the answer i got was that if im alone i can kill him without informing him but i should maybe send a pm after and let him know that he had a hit on him. And if i had friends joining me i had to "last hit" him, this i think seems reasonable. But today after me and 2 ingame family members carried out a hit and an admin came. Now this admin tells us what we did was DM you cannot just kill someone even if he has a hit on him and that rp should be involved, now this doesnt make any sense to me because it is a hit. but when a hit is done it clearly says killing them now is DM. So please i want a proper explaination to all this

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SugarD on March 21, 2013, 12:58:30 am

Quote from: RizzE. on March 21, 2013, 12:38:24 am

Okay this question is involving /hit. So yesterday i accepted a hit, i pmed an admin and i asked about carrying out hits solo or with friends. the answer i got was that if im alone i can kill him without informing him but i should maybe send a pm after and let him know that he had a hit on him. And if i had friends joining me i had to "last hit" him, this i think seems reasonable. But today after me and 2 ingame family members carried out a hit and an admin came. Now this admin tells us what we did was DM you cannot just kill someone even if he has a hit on him and that rp should be involved, now this doesnt make any sense to me because it is a hit. but when a hit is done it clearly says killing them now is DM. So please i want a proper explaination to all this

They probably mean you should be roleplaying out the hit, acting as if you're just another person in the area, doing certain actions, etc. to throw off the user's guard before killing them in a way that would be consistent with RP...rather than just driving up and shooting the life out of them and leaving.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: RizzE. on March 21, 2013, 01:17:07 am

I understand what you mean, but lets face it it really depends on who the victim is because alot of people ofcourse group up and call friends to help them defend against the hitman. lets say im a hitman going after my target and i know he can get alot of people helping him why would i go up to him and let him know instead of just use a knife from behind or a sniper that is more realistic

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SugarD on March 21, 2013, 01:26:11 am

Quote from: RizzE. on March 21, 2013, 01:17:07 am

I understand what you mean, but lets face it it really depends on who the victim is because alot of people ofcourse group up and call friends to help them defend against the hitman. lets say im a hitman going after my target and i know he can get alot of people helping him why would i go up to him and let him know instead of just use a knife from behind or a sniper that is more realistic

You don't need to tell him or let him know. Just roleplay it out.

For example:
/me walks up behind User1
*User1 looks back*
/me pretends to pick up a penny off the ground
*User1 turns away and begins to walk off*
/me walks up behind him silently and pulls out a knife
/me cuts his throat while saying, "User3 sends his respects"

There are many other ways to go about this too. Just use your imagination and have fun with it. Remember, hits are supposed to be roleplayed killings too. They are just a bit harder to do without the user catching on. ;)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: RizzE. on March 21, 2013, 02:03:42 am

Quote from: SugarD on March 21, 2013, 01:26:11 am

You don't need to tell him or let him know. Just roleplay it out.

For example:
/me walks up behind User1
*User1 looks back*
/me pretends to pick up a penny off the ground
*User1 turns away and begins to walk off*
/me walks up behind him silently and pulls out a knife
/me cuts his throat while saying, "User3 sends his respects"

There are many other ways to go about this too. Just use your imagination and have fun with it. Remember, hits are supposed to be roleplayed killings too. They are just a bit harder to do without the user catching on. ;)

In reality it will be more like
* RizzE walks up behind User1
*User1 looks back*
* RizzE pretends to pick up a penny off the ground
*User1 takes out a combat shotgun
* RizzE Dies

What i mean is can i get banned for killing someone with a hit without RP? I take a chopper to a roof, take out my sniper and i see my target. I see my chance and i start to shoot, target dies now this is what i call a hit. I dont want to post an unbann request for deathmatching because i carried out a hit diffrent than someone else.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SugarD on March 21, 2013, 05:21:19 am

Quote from: RizzE. on March 21, 2013, 02:03:42 am

In reality it will be more like
* RizzE walks up behind User1
*User1 looks back*
* RizzE pretends to pick up a penny off the ground
*User1 takes out a combat shotgun
* RizzE Dies

What i mean is can i get banned for killing someone with a hit without RP? I take a chopper to a roof, take out my sniper and i see my target. I see my chance and i start to shoot, target dies now this is what i call a hit. I dont want to post an unbann request for deathmatching because i carried out a hit diffrent than someone else.

If the user just pulls a shotgun out of their *** like that, you have two options:
1. Report them for deathmatching.
2. Follow the self-defense laws.

They have no way of knowing that you are the hitman. That is why you need to be sneaky when roleplaying. If they just suddenly shoot you, they DM'ed you.

As for the sniper example, that could be justified as roleplayed if you were doing it as a concealed hit, meaning you didn't want anyone to see you actually kill him. Keep in mind, though...taking advantage of this situation can lead to admins getting quite angry, so make sure you intend this method to be done in a roleplay matter, rather than just as an easy way to kill someone without getting hurt. :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: RizzE. on March 21, 2013, 12:31:07 pm

Quote from: SugarD on March 21, 2013, 05:21:19 am

If the user just pulls a shotgun out of their *** like that, you have two options:
1. Report them for deathmatching.
2. Follow the self-defense laws.

They have no way of knowing that you are the hitman. That is why you need to be sneaky when roleplaying. If they just suddenly shoot you, they DM'ed you.

As for the sniper example, that could be justified as roleplayed if you were doing it as a concealed hit, meaning you didn't want anyone to see you actually kill him. Keep in mind, though...taking advantage of this situation can lead to admins getting quite angry, so make sure you intend this method to be done in a roleplay matter, rather than just as an easy way to kill someone without getting hurt. :)

/
I will try to only RP the hits from now on, but if it keeps failing and i have to report them for DM 8/10 times and i have a feeling i will have to that. Then i wont bother to even try rp my hits at all. I will take acreens and if i get some good pics i can post them here ;)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SugarD on March 21, 2013, 12:34:51 pm

Quote from: RizzE. on March 21, 2013, 12:31:07 pm

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I will try to only RP the hits from now on, but if it keeps failing and i have to report them for DM 8/10 times and i have a feeling i will have to that. Then i wont bother to even try rp my hits at all. I will take acreens and if i get some good pics i can post them here ;)

Purposely not RP'ing because they DM you is not an excuse to carry out a hit without roleplay. As the rules state, all killings must be roleplayed out to be valid, else it's DM. Remember, one person rulebreaking does not justify another to do it back.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: RizzE. on March 21, 2013, 06:11:09 pm

Quote from: SugarD on March 21, 2013, 12:34:51 pm

Purposely not RP'ing because they DM you is not an excuse to carry out a hit without roleplay. As the rules state, all killings must be roleplayed out to be valid, else it's DM. Remember, one person rulebreaking does not justify another to do it back.

But it concerns me when Admins tells me diffrent things. Why should i choose one admin over another. If do that then admin1 bans me, If do that then admin2 dont ban me.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SugarD on March 21, 2013, 06:12:41 pm

Quote from: RizzE. on March 21, 2013, 06:11:09 pm

But it concerns me when Admins tells me diffrent.

That's why you need to let them know the manner you were roleplaying in so they understand that you followed through when the other player didn't. All they see is what happens in front of them when they get the report.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: RizzE. on March 21, 2013, 06:31:36 pm

Maybe i should pm an admin so they can spectate. When i die and /report nothing happens becasue they missed the whole thing

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kessu on March 21, 2013, 08:45:15 pm

You could also phone the guy anonymously and tell him to watch his back.. then when he drops his guard pewpew boom with a sniper :evil:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SugarD on March 21, 2013, 08:47:07 pm

Quote from: Kessu on March 21, 2013, 08:45:15 pm

You could also phone the guy anonymously and tell him to watch his back.. then when he drops his guard pewpew boom with a sniper :evil:

Yes, even that shows an effort to roleplay with them. At that point, they could hire a bodyguard or call the police to continue it further, unless you get to them first. ;)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: TiMoN on March 21, 2013, 09:01:44 pm

I got a question about cop abuse,

Abuse 1(Script abuse), cops randomly suspecting people/shooting random guys.
I am aware of this being a rulebreak, no questions about this.

Abuse 2(Badge Abuse), a police officer randomly noticing a civilian alone, so he decides to stop him and beat him, confiscate his stuff, and injure him a bit and leave him.(Could be because of his race, his skin, his gender. No offense to anyone)

Is the second type of abuse a rulebreak?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SugarD on March 21, 2013, 10:13:09 pm

Quote from: Cena44 on March 21, 2013, 09:01:44 pm

I got a question about cop abuse,

Abuse 1(Script abuse), cops randomly suspecting people/shooting random guys.
I am aware of this being a rulebreak, no questions about this.

Abuse 2(Badge Abuse), a police officer randomly noticing a civilian alone, so he decides to stop him and beat him, confiscate his stuff, and injure him a bit and leave him.(Could be because of his race, his skin, his gender. No offense to anyone)

Is the second type of abuse a rulebreak?

It depends on if he's roleplaying a corrupt cop, or just picking on players. Both can lead to copbans if caught, though. It just depends on whether the copban is for a RP corruption reason, or for a server rulebreak while on duty.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: RizzE. on March 22, 2013, 02:58:16 am

Quote from: Kessu on March 21, 2013, 08:45:15 pm

You could also phone the guy anonymously and tell him to watch his back.. then when he drops his guard pewpew boom with a sniper :evil:

yeah i like this one haha

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Petarda on May 02, 2013, 07:18:00 pm

One question

If a high ranked cop enters a house with suspects then he /exits after getting low hp and then he re-equips, does that counts as exit or script abuse?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Leroy_Kolta on May 02, 2013, 10:21:23 pm

Quote from: Petarda on May 02, 2013, 07:18:00 pm

One question

If a high ranked cop enters a house with suspects then he /exits after getting low hp and then he re-equips, does that counts as exit or script abuse?

High-ranked cop or not, he/she should not be re-equipping themselves when they /exit after low hp and then re-enters. That is against both SAPD and FBI policy. So, I guess you would count that as script abuse. It's giving an advantage to the high-ranking officer, while suspects inside are forced to sit there and not be able to replenish HP, etc.

Either way, it is not allowed.

Hope this helped,
Leroy Laeem
<insert retired cop positions here> :P

Former SAPD Officer
Former FBI Special Agent (SA:MP)
Former FBI Commissioned Agent (IV:MP)
Former CIA Commander (Global)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Huntsman on September 02, 2013, 12:21:42 pm

Do we still have hope to see hand of law?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Traser on September 04, 2013, 11:46:29 pm

Quote from: Rytuklis on September 02, 2013, 12:21:42 pm

Do we still have hope to see hand of law?

The 'Hand of law' website : http://www.handoflaw.com/ is still online.

As quoting aragorn, on 7th of august.

Quote from: Aragorn on August 07, 2012, 12:26:19 am

It has a long pause due to lack of time... Besides it we are looking for a good animator - the guy who can adjust 3d models to the animation (work with skeleton)... We do have animations, models and buildings...

If things will be better and more time, with the good animator, Hand Of Law will go better...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mircea_Niko on September 16, 2013, 09:38:45 pm

I also asked Gimli but no reply came from his side. Many other admins told me to redirect this question to him, but as I said, no response.

Any way to become a mapper for Argonath RPG? Or Stunt?

Thanks in advance.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Benn on September 19, 2013, 09:34:18 pm

Quote from: Mircea_Niko on September 16, 2013, 09:38:45 pm

Any way to become a mapper for Argonath RPG? Or Stunt?

Thanks in advance.[/i]

I know for stunt you need to wait for applications to open and then apply with a ready map you did ... ;)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Brian on September 19, 2013, 09:37:53 pm

For stunt, you can always submit maps, and if the developer leader ( Phil ) likes it, he may assign some work to you, and may assign you a job. But before that we ofcourse need to see some of your work.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mircea_Niko on September 23, 2013, 10:38:36 am

Quote from: Brian. on September 19, 2013, 09:37:53 pm

For stunt, you can always submit maps, and if the developer leader ( Phil ) likes it, he may assign some work to you, and may assign you a job. But before that we ofcourse need to see some of your work.

Cheers, where can I submit my work? I mean, should I send it the map itself by e-mail or PM screenies?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: LeHott on October 26, 2013, 08:00:00 am

Quote from: Wash on May 24, 2009, 07:15:55 pm

I am talking about Private roads. The road on verdant bluffs leads to no where but CM HQ. We should therefore own it. Ofcourse, it doesn't mean that no one can ever walk/drive on the road to CM HQ. However.. what's the point of paying such a large amount of such a property, when you do not own anything but the actual building? I don't think it will cause any problems, for anyone, if such private roads/other land came with a house..

You cant even park a car to secure your parking, like here? :o

(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110512001518/godfather/images/4/4c/Vlcsnap-2010-02-24-17h53m47s5.png)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kewlizm on October 26, 2013, 08:08:13 am

Now this is an overasked question with a large range of different answers. Will there be a money reset in RS5?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SugarD on October 27, 2013, 02:12:33 am

Read the SA:MP RS5 topic. Don't start another controversial discussion about resets in here, please.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ivan_Dzeba on January 21, 2014, 08:30:49 pm

Is Sauron even real,or did you guys just made him up and putted him in the Owners? Beacuse you can rarely see him and rarely speak to him.If he is real why isnt he ever IG or answer peoples questions

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: SugarD on January 21, 2014, 09:02:25 pm

Quote from: Ivan_Dzeba on January 21, 2014, 08:30:49 pm

Is Sauron even real,or did you guys just made him up and putted him in the Owners? Beacuse you can rarely see him and rarely speak to him.If he is real why isnt he ever IG or answer peoples questions

Quote from: Sauron on December 19, 2012, 11:35:04 pm

Ladies, gentlemen and those in between.

Recently Gandalf has received multiple rumours of people who seem to think they are prize detectives...Somehow this has led them to the conclusion that I do not exist.

For those interested, I can tell without doubt that I exist...

For those who wish to think that I am Gandalf, Aragorn, Kojak and Legolas, unfortunately the nationalities of these people might show that we are not the same.

It may be confusing that I share my birthday with Gandalf, though not the age.
However I do not have a brother, which makes it kind of difficult to be Gandalf.

In case you see any accusations...roaming around...Save a copy for Gandalf and me, we do enjoy a good fairy tale.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Dutchy on February 03, 2014, 05:29:48 pm

Quote from: exterminator on March 02, 2013, 02:42:00 pm

Today several groups organized for a large scale assault, we get armed and we mobilize.
Just as the group is headed to target, we get stalked by the PD and then are asked to pull over, we have no choice but to do so in order to avoid ruining the role play. We are asked to do monkey tricks and we have no choice since there is a officer parked right in front of us threatening to ruin the entire damn role play if we don't do exactly as he says.

The role play has been delayed by a lot and the prey could log off any moment.
A few of us get pissed off and kill the officer, then jail the killer. We are then admin dealt with because apparently now jailing your own friends is against the server rules.

What are your your thoughts on this?

Note: I am here asking for a opinion from the owners,not from the SAPD or the FBI or from the admin team. I already interviewed several admins, and even they have different opinions on what should and shouldn't have been done, so i want to know what the server owners think.

If you still want your answer:
It's not allowed to jail your friends after they commited a crime related to your roleplay, wherein you change jobs to jail them, then go off duty again and drive away toghether. When you kill a cop as a civillian, you either give yourself up to an officer who's outside the roleplay and already on duty when you commited the crime, or you RUN.

For your scenario I understand it's a bit conflicting, since the cops that pulled you over were stagnating your roleplay and staying there wouldn't amount to anything, as would running away.. Killing a cop just because you're tired of being pulled over is deathmatch.

You're not obligated to cooperate in an RP, but you at least must try to talk and negociate yourself out of situations, using your brain, not your gun.
Next time if you commit a crime and want yourself unsused quick, just go in a seperate car to a PD, call a cop (free jail) and rejoin the RP later.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: montemontague on August 24, 2014, 08:09:18 am

The point of the topic is for dialog with owners.

Gandalf, why does the system of Official status still exist?
Can you not see it is a system which devalues new players?
How many of the official groups actually works to value new players?
Many are about being in Argonath as long time, recognized players.

Gandalf, what do you now think of it?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on September 28, 2014, 10:33:33 pm

Dear Owner,

There is a bug preventing me from joining this server.
I log in and then I crash with this error code given:

Please can you help.
I have tried everything I can.

SA-MP 0.3z
Exception At Address: 0x0071A190
Base: 0x03030000

Registers:
EAX: 0x00000000 EBX: 0x00BAAF00 ECX: 0x00000000 EDX: 0x0000018F
ESI: 0x00233FFF EDI: 0x43C80000 EBP: 0x00BAAF40 ESP: 0x0022F838
EFLAGS: 0x00010297

Stack:
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+0260: 0x00675B50 0x00000000 0x07675B50 0x01984D10
+0270: 0x00009814 0x089E5950 0x00000001 0x0022FAFC

SCM Op: 0x248, lDbg: 0 LastRendObj: 1283

Game Version: US 1.0

State Information: Ped Context: 0
P0 (0,0) P1 (0,0) P2 (0,0) P3 (0,0)
P4 (0,0) P5 (0,0) P6 (0,0) P7 (0,0)
P8 (0,0)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Salmonella on November 28, 2015, 05:05:28 pm

This one hasn't been used for its intended purpose for a while.

How y'all doing, owners?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: CharlieKasper on November 28, 2015, 06:10:58 pm

Yeah. Where's Aragorn? :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Dennis. on November 28, 2015, 06:12:42 pm

Sauron :( ?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Teddy on November 28, 2015, 06:26:12 pm

Quote from: Salmonella on November 28, 2015, 05:05:28 pm

How y'all doing, owners?

Gone.

Quote from: CharlieKasper on November 28, 2015, 06:10:58 pm

Yeah. Where's Aragorn? :D

Gone.

Quote from: Dennis. on November 28, 2015, 06:12:42 pm

Sauron :( ?

Gone.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Salmonella on November 28, 2015, 06:27:53 pm

Quote from: Teddy on November 28, 2015, 06:26:12 pm

Gone.

Gone.

Gone.

But Gandalf posted a few days ago :v:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Teddy on November 28, 2015, 06:30:54 pm

Quote from: Salmonella on November 28, 2015, 06:27:53 pm

But Gandalf posted a few days ago :v:

Have you seen him since? :)

We won't for a while. He's got bigger priorities.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Salmonella on November 28, 2015, 06:31:42 pm

Idk, that's why I figured I'd ask him what's up here. :P

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Teddy on November 28, 2015, 06:32:50 pm

Quote from: Salmonella on November 28, 2015, 06:31:42 pm

Idk, that's why I figured I'd ask him what's up here. :P

You'd have a better chance asking the Pope to reply here than him with his current status. =)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Khm on November 28, 2015, 06:37:14 pm

Can you elaborate please and tell us what's going?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Teddy on November 28, 2015, 06:41:37 pm

Quote from: Khm. on November 28, 2015, 06:37:14 pm

Can you elaborate please and tell us what's going?

If they wanted their personal problems publicly available, they'd tell you. I can say it's not lack of interest, at least for Gandalf, but rather lack of the ability to give attention.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Khm on November 28, 2015, 07:14:59 pm

Quote from: Teddy on November 28, 2015, 06:41:37 pm

If they wanted their personal problems publicly available, they'd tell you. I can say it's not lack of interest, at least for Gandalf, but rather lack of the ability to give attention.

I get you, thanks.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Salmonella on November 29, 2015, 12:45:52 am

Quote from: Teddy on November 28, 2015, 06:32:50 pm

You'd have a better chance asking the Pope to reply here than him with his current status. =)

A little dialog with the pope wouldn't hurt.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Chase on December 12, 2015, 06:39:04 pm

I find it amusing to talk to the old man sometimes.
(http://i.imgur.com/mFdsL5r.png)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Hevar. on December 12, 2015, 06:43:24 pm

Quote from: Chase on December 12, 2015, 06:39:04 pm

I find it amusing to talk to the old man sometimes.
(http://i.imgur.com/mFdsL5r.png)

HAAHHA you guys fight over a chicken?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Stivi on December 12, 2015, 06:46:56 pm

fake.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Bogomil on March 06, 2016, 02:04:37 pm

@Gandalf , @Sauron , @Aragorn , I hope you guys see how successful community you have created. Almost 10 years passed now. I hope one day you all come. :app:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Hevar. on March 06, 2016, 07:26:12 pm

Quote from: Georgi on March 06, 2016, 02:04:37 pm

@Gandalf , @Sauron , @Aragorn , I hope you guys see how successful community you have created. Almost 10 years passed now. I hope one day you all come. :app:

At least give some credits to the scripters too =) The old and the new one

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Huntsman on March 06, 2016, 10:10:27 pm

Quote from: Georgi on March 06, 2016, 02:04:37 pm

@Gandalf , @Sauron , @Aragorn , I hope you guys see how successful community you have created. Almost 10 years passed now. I hope one day you all come. :app:

The biggest credit goes to the current scripter/developer team IMO. If it wasn't them stepping up and making changes, the community would be long dead now.
As for the owners, though, I've only seen Gandalf pop in once in a while, and then disappear for another half-a-year. I can't even remember when I last seen Aragorn and I have never even saw Sauron during my stay here in Argonath.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Teddy on March 07, 2016, 05:07:41 am

Quote from: Rytuklis on March 06, 2016, 10:10:27 pm

I have never even saw Sauron during my stay here in Argonath.

I've only ever even seen him once :lol:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Hevar. on March 07, 2016, 05:02:34 pm

Quote from: Teddy on March 07, 2016, 05:07:41 am

I've only ever even seen him once :lol:

Really? haha wow

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Luke on March 07, 2016, 05:05:43 pm

Quote from: Teddy on March 07, 2016, 05:07:41 am

I've only ever even seen him once :lol:

What if Gandalf is Sauron?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Teddy on March 07, 2016, 05:07:17 pm

Quote from: Luke on March 07, 2016, 05:05:43 pm

What if Gandalf is Sauron?

They are, or at least were at one point, two different people.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Huntsman on March 07, 2016, 05:07:58 pm

Now Sauron is just an eye in the sky, looking at you :janek:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Hevar. on March 07, 2016, 05:17:57 pm

Quote from: Teddy on March 07, 2016, 05:07:17 pm

They are, or at least were at one point, two different people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seVdI6FGjk0

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Teddy on March 07, 2016, 05:19:58 pm

Quote from: Hevar. on March 07, 2016, 05:17:57 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seVdI6FGjk0

I've seen a point where RON, Ronnel, and Sauron all in-game and all actively moving around and engaging in activities. Long long time ago so undoubtedly sure at one point they were different. You can even see linguistics difference between older Sauron post's and older Ronnel posts, a difference you don't see now ;)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Julio. on April 20, 2016, 12:47:17 pm

You used to also see Aragorn ingame a lot as "Aragorn", though I'd say there's a fair possibility the owners come online more often than we know. You know, undercover bosses and all. :gand:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Teddy on April 20, 2016, 07:38:23 pm

Quote from: joedaman633 on April 20, 2016, 12:47:17 pm

You used to also see Aragorn ingame a lot as "Aragorn",

You mean you used to see Aragorn in-game, hacked, and banning people a lot? :lol:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: TiMoN on April 20, 2016, 08:02:42 pm

Quote from: Teddy on March 07, 2016, 05:07:41 am

I've only ever even seen him once :lol:

yeah me too
(https://i.gyazo.com/821385a155acbde4413b8a3c20ec0b6f.png)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ben. on April 20, 2016, 09:32:45 pm

Quote from: Teddy on April 20, 2016, 07:38:23 pm

You mean you used to see Aragorn in-game, hacked, and banning people a lot? :lol:

:lol:

I last remember Aragorn being a more common presence in 2010 (well, relatively).

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Huntsman on April 20, 2016, 09:41:43 pm

Owners? What owners?

I remember seeing both Gandalf and Aragorn actively playing at around 2010-11, but have never ever seen them in game not once since.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Dennis. on April 20, 2016, 09:50:41 pm

Quote from: TiMoN on April 20, 2016, 08:02:42 pm

yeah me too
(https://i.gyazo.com/821385a155acbde4413b8a3c20ec0b6f.png)

He's not real Sauron, lol

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Bruce. on April 20, 2016, 10:04:02 pm

Quote from: Teddy on April 20, 2016, 07:38:23 pm

You mean you used to see Aragorn in-game, hacked, and banning people a lot? :lol:

First and last time I saw him in game ended up with a announcement "Argonath RPG has been hacked" and then server shut down and let's not mention the followings :P

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Julio. on April 20, 2016, 10:50:08 pm

Quote from: Teddy on April 20, 2016, 07:38:23 pm

You mean you used to see Aragorn in-game, hacked, and banning people a lot? :lol:

Kind of active in 2010 a fair bit :war:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: JDC on May 25, 2016, 02:52:59 am

The Owners granted Argonath Express, a media group, an interview sometime in 2007 / 2008. If I remember correctly, at the time, Gandalf and Aragorn were in their late 30's. That places them at 40 / early 40's by now, enough to be literal fathers to the vast majority of this community. :D

Many veterans who grew up in this community, starting out in high school (or before, like myself) and are now finishing University, or are already in the working class. (One of our former younger Devs, who I will not name, even got married a year or two ago.) Many of us have also left for real life reasons other than boredom. I could only imagine what RL demands the Owners have in store, so we should be grateful Gandalf still shows up a lot.

I'm curious about one thing though. Will we be seeing a Reunion for the 10th Anniversary, 2 months from now?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: TrotlDebilni on May 25, 2016, 06:47:51 am

Quote from: JDC on May 25, 2016, 02:52:59 am

I'm curious about one thing though. Will we be seeing a Reunion for the 10th Anniversary, 2 months from now?

I'm 18 now, started playing when I was 11, I've been on here for most of my childhood, in a few years it will be half my life.

A 10 year anniversary would be great, to see the many old faces that faded away, one that I'm keeping alive with my name IG, where the hell is GiacJr? Pancher? cDa? IcyAreo? Man I would love to see everyone back online if only it was for a day.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Vitorrio on June 29, 2016, 06:50:36 pm

Do you like how the server has turned since 2006? Oh, and will there be any higher staff member called Bilbo(he is in the Hobbit and The Lord of The Rings, so, he is related to the theme of the game). Oh, and will there ever be an improved page layout for smartphones?(it's quite hard to write a topic or a reply on a phone right now :cry:). Oh, and do you, the highest members of Argonath(Sauron, Aragorn and others) actually still like playing in Argonath? I would like to know also why do some people not listen to lower staff or no staff members at all(I like to talk on the forums, but, usually, no reply comes back). But, if there is some talk to Ninda(who is in the IV:MP staff) or to Joey_Lucchese or to some old member, everyone replies in seconds. I want to ask why? :uhm: :uhm: :eek:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Teddy on July 01, 2016, 01:39:01 am

Quote from: CVP12345 on June 29, 2016, 06:50:36 pm

Do you like how the server has turned since 2006? Oh, and will there be any higher staff member called Bilbo(he is in the Hobbit and The Lord of The Rings, so, he is related to the theme of the game). Oh, and will there ever be an improved page layout for smartphones?(it's quite hard to write a topic or a reply on a phone right now :cry:). Oh, and do you, the highest members of Argonath(Sauron, Aragorn and others) actually still like playing in Argonath?

First the LOTR names are a bit legacy, not really something you seen done anymore here. These names are assigned personally by Gandalf based on the assigned person's personality.

There won't be an improved layout for the forums unless someone wants to redesign the entire forums. While a totally new forum theme is not something I would be against, it would need to be custom and not some shitty nulled or free copy, or even paid for.

Sauron does not play. Aragorn does not play. Legolas does not play. Gandalf does not play.

Quote from: CVP12345 on June 29, 2016, 06:50:36 pm

I would like to know also why do some people not listen to lower staff or no staff members at all(I like to talk on the forums, but, usually, no reply comes back). But, if there is some talk to Ninda(who is in the IV:MP staff) or to Joey_Lucchese or to some old member, everyone replies in seconds. I want to ask why? :uhm: :uhm: :eek:

Can you rephrase this, I have no idea what this means.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Vitorrio on July 01, 2016, 10:16:13 am

Quote from: CVP12345 on June 29, 2016, 06:50:36 pm

I would like to know also why do some people not listen to lower staff or no staff members at all(I like to talk on the forums, but, usually, no reply comes back). But, if there is some talk to Ninda(who is in the IV:MP staff) or to Joey_Lucchese or to some old member, everyone replies in seconds. I want to ask why? :uhm: :uhm: :eek:

Quote from: Teddy on July 01, 2016, 01:39:01 am

Can you rephrase this, I have no idea what this means.

Well, for example, I make an idea topic for the IV:MP server(regarding the phone command), I get around 30 views and no reply. Then, I reply asking "Why doesn't anyone say anything about this command?" or so. The viewers go to around 70. Then, I get a reply from Markk, who says

Quote from: Markk on June 30, 2016, 12:49:48 pm

Fact is, don't get offended, you sound pretty weird almost everytime someone talks (writes) to you.

Quote from: Markk on June 30, 2016, 12:49:48 pm

Anyway this is not a bad idea but not really necessary at moment.

Oh, and that not everyone bothers to reply. But they "bother" to reply to other players. :v:
For example, at KaspeeersLV's topic regarding renting rooms (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=115608.0), nobody complained to him to being "weird", it had 5 replies and 235 views and important players supporting his idea, others telling him that the "House Stamp" exists for a reason(150 thousand $ for a piece of paper? :uhm: :uhm: :uhm:). So, here is just a piece of proof. Oh, and the other day I PM-em Senate regarding something that would improve the taxi driver job(adding all the taxi types in the IV:MP server). He read my PM. I know he is busy and all, but, when he came in the server, he was spawning boats and black cars and spawinng trucks and so. After he left, I didn't see any cab improvement, change/adding. So, the question is: If they think that I am "weird"(which is wrong to make people "normal"/"weird"), then, why don't they ban me already? :uhm:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Julio. on July 01, 2016, 10:37:38 am

Quote from: CVP12345 on July 01, 2016, 10:16:13 am

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Look mate, I know this is a "dialogue with the owners," but some of what you're saying can be answered by most community members.

We've all had forum topics with no responses. Just because we individually feel strongly about a point or idea doesn't mean that it holds the same priority to everybody else. It's not something normally discussed or commented on, because it's a forum and it's to be expected that some topics get more responses than others.

In terms of PMing people, just because you're not in a conversation doesn't mean somebody else isn't either. You can keep track of one conversation, two conversations, maybe even three. But when you're got multiple conversations, in multiple "chat modes," with different people, some being totally different subjects, or even similar ones (which makes it more difficult to differentiate the conversations), it can be very difficult to keep track of them.

Personally I view post the topics in "unread topics," every time I join, but I only respond to those I'm interested in. Now considering a large proportion of the player base is primarily SA:MP based (and a lot of New Dawn players too), a lot of those players may read your topic, but have no input as it's not a server they play on.

Oh, and putting your text massive and in bright green is going to put people off posting. If you want to instigate a conversation around a particular topic, type out a well thought out argument to your point, with supporting evidence/situations where the idea would benefit the server, and if the idea is good, and your argument is valid, then by default you'll get constructive replies.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Chase on July 25, 2016, 07:24:51 am

Is it true that Gandalf has been sacrificed to Shrek and Shrek has taken ownership?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti6g9uQy70g

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Stof. on July 25, 2016, 11:06:43 am

"This is my swamp"

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Vitorrio on March 03, 2017, 02:56:17 pm

Hello, sirs, I was wondering, does anyone know at what level is the development of a mobile friendly version of this site and when is it going to become secure?(HTTPS)
https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95617?hl=en
https://www.instantssl.com/ssl-certificate-products/https.html

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Bogomil on March 03, 2017, 03:07:21 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on July 02, 2009, 02:58:58 pm

Setting him as President either a big mistake just to make a show with the "First black President" to rise patriotic feelings during crysis, or a possibility to blame him in future for the failure of the government system

8 Years later I say CORRECT.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Cofiliano on March 04, 2017, 03:56:21 pm

Why's this not archived? Last post of the owners was 5(FIVE) years ago.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Vitorrio on March 04, 2017, 04:13:31 pm

Quote from: Cofiliano on March 04, 2017, 03:56:21 pm

Why's this not archived? Last post of the owners was 5(FIVE) years ago.

I really don't know, Cofiliano. Probably because, sometimes, players keep on answering?

Quote from: CVP12345 on March 03, 2017, 02:56:17 pm

Hello, sirs, I was wondering, does anyone know at what level is the development of a mobile friendly version of this site and when is it going to become secure?(HTTPS)
https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95617?hl=en
https://www.instantssl.com/ssl-certificate-products/https.html

I am sorry to bump in like that, but, I think that the safety and quality time spent here are important for an average user, so, I think this site should become secure and have a mobile phone port of the site.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: James on March 04, 2017, 07:57:20 pm

Hey , do you (Gandalf , Aragorn) Care about the server anymore actually?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: BlueFox on March 04, 2017, 08:18:56 pm

Quote from: James on March 04, 2017, 07:57:20 pm

Hey , do you (Gandalf , Aragorn) Care about the server anymore actually?

Joke of the year.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: I_LikeMusic on March 05, 2017, 07:19:22 pm

Any information when the servers are online again? would love to play. :cry:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Vitorrio on March 05, 2017, 10:30:35 pm

Hello, people. I was going to ask, since many of the owners are inactive, grown-up or simply too busy with their real lives, don't you think it is about time you get to retire and hire new, somewhat active and trustworthy owners? At least promote some of the best heroes, if you want. I think I made myself clear enough. You know, so that people wouldn't have to wait that much for the servers to be reactivated.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: James on March 05, 2017, 10:32:21 pm

Gandalf Jr incoming!
but honestly not really , as far as I heard SAMP might be closed in few years (maybe) since its old n a lot of people eventually left it

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Bas on March 05, 2017, 10:35:16 pm

Quote from: CVP12345 on March 05, 2017, 10:30:35 pm

Hello, people. I was going to ask, since many of the owners are inactive, grown-up or simply too busy with their real lives, don't you think it is about time you get to retire and hire new, somewhat active and trustworthy owners? At least promote some of the best heroes, if you want. I think I made myself clear enough. You know, so that people wouldn't have to wait that much for the servers to be reactivated.

Everyone can become the new owner of argonath, it is a financial thing. argonath can be bought with a serious offer I've heard in the past. (Think in the tens of thousands) So yeah I doubt any new owner will happen anytime soon.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Vitorrio on March 05, 2017, 10:37:58 pm

Everyone can become the new owner of Argonath, it is a financial thing. Argonath can be bought with a serious offer I've heard in the past. (Think in the tens of thousands) soon.

Well, that sounds reasonable. But, how many years ago was this offer made?

Quote from: CVP12345 on March 05, 2017, 10:37:58 pm

So, yeah! I doubt any new owner will happen anytime soon.

That is so sad to hear. So it means we will have to wait longer to have Gandalf make that call or pull the plug back in.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Deka on March 05, 2017, 11:16:59 pm

Well, that sounds reasonable. But, how many years ago was this offer made?That is so sad to hear. So it means we will have to wait longer to have Gandalf make that call or pull the plug back in.

Yeah it's like you're waiting your GF while in long distance relationship and sadly she doesn't reply to your messages.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: BlueFox on March 05, 2017, 11:58:47 pm

argonath can be bought with a serious offer I've heard in the past. (Think in the tens of thousands)

Lmfao, they're dreaming at that number.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Petarda on March 06, 2017, 01:58:07 am

Quote from: BlueFox on March 05, 2017, 11:58:47 pm

Everyone can become the new owner of argonath, it is a financial thing. argonath can be bought with a serious offer I've heard in the past. (Think in the tens of thousands) So yeah I doubt any new owner will happen anytime soon.

And how would they profit? Unless you're talking about tens of thousands of Vietnamese dongs.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Lincoln. on March 06, 2017, 03:40:50 am

Lmfao, they're dreaming at that number.

Hahahaha, tens of thousands? Not even 10,000$ back in golden time when RS4 was present.

Now it's not worth more than 1500$, I'm guessing.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Cofiliano on March 06, 2017, 04:33:37 am

Tens of thousands?

Meme of the month

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Lincoln. on March 06, 2017, 07:04:39 am

Quote from: Cofiliano on March 06, 2017, 04:33:37 am

Tens of thousands?

Meme of the month

Dinars. Let's buy it Cofi, 50/50.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Bruce. on March 06, 2017, 08:12:43 am

What Bas meant to say was tens of thousands Japanese Yen ??
And why would it be that expensive tho xD

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Bruce. on March 06, 2017, 08:15:38 am

Quote from: Don69 on March 06, 2017, 12:37:35 pm

Everyone can become the new owner of argonath, it is a financial thing. argonath can be bought with a serious offer I've heard in the past.

Yeah but now it's like buying a toxic barrel :P but I do believe if the old man shows up soon he will use his magical converter to turn that toxicity into something good.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ghouls on March 06, 2017, 08:43:56 am

Moderators doing well his job cleaning the posts from the topics

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Vitorrio on March 06, 2017, 11:49:53 am

So, most probably, as many times, are we going to just solve the server situation by waiting for it to be solved by itself? Or why isn't anyone offering to become a new owner? Well, brilliant! Just brilliant! :bore:

I didn't mean this to be a complaint, sorry that it sounds that way. Anyway, I hope the server hosting problem is going to be solved

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Marcel on March 06, 2017, 12:05:02 pm

Obviously the person who is ultimately responsible for the server doesn't give a damn. If he did, the server would have been running by now, including proper leadership.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: BorisSforza on March 06, 2017, 12:37:35 pm

Is there a way to donate money to the owner?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Hernandez on March 06, 2017, 12:39:19 pm

Is there a way to donate money to the owner?

Link (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?action=treasury)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 01:03:44 pm

Quote from: Hernandez on March 06, 2017, 12:39:19 pm

Link (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?action=treasury)

Make paid server features like special bonuses when doing jobs, less weed growing time.
faster game rhl evading times etc.

Many will pay for premium servers, 1440eu wont be donated for nothing.

So I suggest in my case for IV:MP, few example:

1- Emergancy+ donator , earn 2x cash when doing fireman and medic mission. cost: 40eu
2- Dealership+ donator , earn 1.5x more profits upon sales. cost: 60eu
3- officer+ donator , earn 2x cash upon killing suspects or jailing them, cost: 40eu
[each higher number inherits previous features]
4- Drugsdealer+ donator+ 0.5x bonus , weed harvesting time is 0.5min, next weed growing time 2.5min . cost: 10eu
5- Smuggler+ donator,1.0x bonus no weed harvesting and growing times, cost 25eu
6- Gangster+ donator, 1.5x bonus 1kg free cannabis daily 24hours cooldown timer , cost 50eu
7- Criminal+ donator, 2x bonus ,no suspection for weed, harvesting and growing + free daily armor, cost 100eu.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Vitorrio on March 06, 2017, 01:09:00 pm

Make paid server features like special bonuses when doing jobs, less weed growing time
faster game rhl evading times etc.

Many will pay for premium servers, 1440eu won't be donated for nothing.

So I suggest in my case for IV:MP, few examples:

1- Emergency+donator , earn 2x cash when doing fireman and medic missions. cost: 40eu
2- Dealership+ donator , earn 1.5x more profit upon sales. cost: 60eu
3- Officer+ donator , earn 2x cash upon killing suspects or jailing them, cost: 40eu
[each higher number inherits previous features]
4- Drugdealer+ donator 0.5x bonus, weed harvesting time is 0.5min, next weed growing time 2.5min. cost: 10eu
5- Smuggler+ donator ,1.0x bonus no weed harvesting and growing times, cost 25eu
6- Gangster+ donator , 1.5x bonus 1kg free cannabis daily 24hours cooldown timer , cost 50eu
7- Criminal+ donator , 2x bonus ,no suspection for weed, harvesting and growing + free daily armor, cost 100eu.

Sir, sorry to break this to you, but that would just destroy the whole thing. Plus, paying for things is an unfair advantage towards other players. I myself was amazed that this server doesn't have a VIP payment system, it was giving everyone equal chances. So, not supported.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: BorisSforza on March 06, 2017, 01:11:34 pm

Make paid server features like special bonuses when doing jobs, less weed growing time.
faster game rhl evading times etc.

Many will pay for premium servers, 1440eu wont be donated for nothing.

So I suggest in my case for IV:MP, few example:

1- Emergancy+ donator , earn 2x cash when doing fireman and medic mission. cost: 40eu
2- Dealership+ donator , earn 1.5x more profits upon sales. cost: 60eu
3- officer+ donator , earn 2x cash upon killing suspects or jailing them, cost: 40eu
[each higher number inherits previous features]
4- Drugsdealer+ donator+ 0.5x bonus , weed harvesting time is 0.5min, next weed growing time 2.5min . cost: 10eu
5- Smuggler+ donator,1.0x bonus no weed harvesting and growing times, cost 25eu
6- Gangster+ donator, 1.5x bonus 1kg free cannabis daily 24hours cooldown timer , cost 50eu
7- Criminal+ donator, 2x bonus ,no suspection for weed, harvesting and growing + free daily armor, cost 100eu.

No, because whats special in the server that everyone us equal.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 01:15:46 pm

Make paid server features like special bonuses when doing jobs, less weed growing time.
faster game rhl evading times etc.

Many will pay for premium servers, 1440eu wont be donated for nothing.

So I suggest in my case for IV:MP, few example:

1- Emergancy+ donator , earn 2x cash when doing fireman and medic mission. cost: 40eu
2- Dealership+ donator , earn 1.5x more profits upon sales. cost: 60eu
3- officer+ donator , earn 2x cash upon killing suspects or jailing them, cost: 40eu
[each higher number inherits previous features]
4- Drugsdealer+ donator+ 0.5x bonus , weed harvesting time is 0.5min, next weed growing time 2.5min . cost: 10eu
5- Smuggler+ donator,1.0x bonus no weed harvesting and growing times, cost 25eu
6- Gangster+ donator, 1.5x bonus 1kg free cannabis daily 24hours cooldown timer , cost 50eu
7- Criminal+ donator, 2x bonus ,no suspection for weed, harvesting and growing + free daily armor, cost 100eu.

This is NOT a MMORPG :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Joey on March 06, 2017, 01:16:51 pm

1440eu wont be donated for nothing.

Its called Donation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation) for a reason.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 01:18:44 pm

Its not for you or anyone else to sound your opinion, if so then i shouldn't be posting it here.
Its to the owners of the server, so decision goes to them.

I cant imagine someone paying for some features and then abandone the server.
Everyone is doing this and its not ashame, people want to donate in a way that they feel comfortable.

Lets talk about minecraft servers with 60k+ players 24/7.

Argonath is falling behind, why ?
Because you think we should be equal, fall all together.
Or is it that this simple donations more like your weekly or daily spendings on fast food equals to what you can donate to the server.
Why you simply deny it if you cant pay for it and donate to the server then dont.

Others want to donate and feel like they are mutually getting something in return.

They will love and stay in the server more.

Gandalf donations since 2011 has been undertarget.

No one donates, because its how to say it.
Feels so empty.

We can make it exciting too.

So anyhow this is left to the owners to decide.

Its not for anyone to interrupt and say no we are equal and im not paying for shi*

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 01:24:08 pm

Quote from: Joey on March 06, 2017, 01:25:55 pm

Make paid server features like special bonuses when doing jobs, less weed growing time.
faster game rhl evading times etc.

Many will pay for premium servers, 1440eu wont be donated for nothing.

So I suggest in my case for IV:MP, few example:

1- Emergancy+ donator , earn 2x cash when doing fireman and medic mission. cost: 40eu
2- Dealership+ donator , earn 1.5x more profits upon sales. cost: 60eu
3- officer+ donator , earn 2x cash upon killing suspects or jailing them, cost: 40eu
[each higher number inherits previous features]
4- Drugsdealer+ donator+ 0.5x bonus , weed harvesting time is 0.5min, next weed growing time 2.5min . cost: 10eu
5- Smuggler+ donator,1.0x bonus no weed harvesting and growing times, cost 25eu
6- Gangster+ donator, 1.5x bonus 1kg free cannabis daily 24hours cooldown timer , cost 50eu
7- Criminal+ donator, 2x bonus ,no suspection for weed, harvesting and growing + free daily armor, cost 100eu.

In my opinion some paid stuff would be nice because server seems like unable to survive on voluntary donations.
Idea supported

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Joey on March 06, 2017, 01:25:55 pm

Lol.
1st Donations means giving something on your own will without expecting anything in return.
2nd Its against argonath's vision.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: AhmadLov on March 06, 2017, 01:27:06 pm

supported. this might be the last card.

edit: I support this idea for the Iv:mp server, it's half free roaming anyway, rps happens once a month

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 01:31:37 pm

So, admins and players are equal, but donators and non-donators aren't?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Deka on March 06, 2017, 01:33:56 pm

I don't agree with VIP things or whatever related with it, because that's sucks if its really happening. everyone with VIP tag would feel they are the best and nothing can't stop them, and we bunch of normal players just playing like how should we play. a.k.a normal Life.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 01:37:29 pm

Lol.
1st Donations means giving something on your own will without expecting anything in return.
2nd Its against argonath's vision.

Lol good luck finding those who are still willing to donate anything.
This isnt a church that everyone feels a duty to pay own cash for something , making the server go into downfall due to lack of funds

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 01:38:00 pm

Quote from: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 01:31:37 pm

So, admins and players are equal, but donators and non-donators aren't?

You donate to support the server to be hosted, you pay to appreciate the work done by the community, both parties satisfied.
You arent a donator then you dont feel special and hate on donators, its going to happen.
This time only donators are definatly helping the server one way or another and you know it.
You just try to acknowledge it as they are better than you and you are less.
Its ridiculous.
Everyone is treated with the respect and is equal, but donators will have the upper hand in some circumstances, you should coop with that since they have done a big part themselves by donating, so you shouldn't hate and feel less.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 01:38:26 pm

Quote from: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 01:31:37 pm

So, admins and players are equal, but donators and non-donators aren't?

Aprils fools day is next month dude

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 01:40:00 pm

Quote from: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 01:31:37 pm

So, admins and players are equal, but donators and non-donators aren't?

When admins flip they use /unflip .
When a conversation doesnt go the way they want. They say drop discussion.
If you dont they punish you for not listening to them.
Same situation if it was on player vs player nothing wouldhave happened.
So no one is 100% equal

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Joey on March 06, 2017, 01:40:39 pm

If you want to donate and get something in return, donate and think you are just paying to be able to play on server. Good? Ty.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: AhmadLov on March 06, 2017, 01:40:50 pm

Quote from: Deka on March 06, 2017, 01:33:56 pm
I don't agree with VIP things or whatever related with it, because that's sucks if its really happening. everyone with VIP tag would feel they are the best and nothing can't stop them, and we bunch of normal players just playing like what should we play. a.k.a normal Life.

we won't give them absolute freedom right? they will obey the same rules. the difference is they will have more abilities and money than us.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 01:41:23 pm

Quote from: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 01:38:00 pm

You donate to support the server to be hosted, you pay to appreciate the work done by the community, both parties satisfied.
You arent a donator then you dont feel special and hate on donators, its going to happen.
This time only donators are definatly helping the server one way or another and you know it.
You just try to acknowledge it as they are better than you and you are less.
Its ridiculous.
Everyone is treated with the respect and is equal, but donators will have the upper hand in some circumstances, you should coop with that since they have done a big part themselves by donating, so you shouldn't hate and feel less.

Admins help keep the server alive in one way or the other. If this should be the case, then why not make the donators the admins? This is a case of hypocrisy.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Joey on March 06, 2017, 01:42:08 pm

Quote from: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 01:40:00 pm

When admins flip they use /unflip .
When a conversation doesnt go the way they want. They say drop discussion.
If you dont they kick you for not listening to them.
Same situation if it was on player vs player nothing wouldhave happened.
So no one is 100% equal

Follow the rules and you won't be kicked.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 01:43:26 pm

Quote from: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 01:41:23 pm

Admins help keep the server alive in one way or the other. If this should be the case, then why not make the donators the admins? This is a case of hypocrisy.

Nobody ever mentioned making donors admins.
Dont put words in his mouth if you dont understand the idea and point

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 01:44:35 pm

Quote from: Joey on March 06, 2017, 01:42:08 pm

Follow the rules and you won't be kicked.

Nobody is complaining about punishment about rules not being followed but rather abuse of given rights by some staff members

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 01:45:04 pm

Quote from: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 01:41:23 pm

Admins help keep the server alive in one way or the other. If this should be the case, then why not make the donators the admins? This is a case of hypocrisy.

This is an economic matter, give and take. Both parties satisfied.
If you are an admin and hate that people are becoming previllaged more and you arent, this is a typical responce and I get it.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Joey on March 06, 2017, 01:46:01 pm

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 01:44:35 pm

Nobody is complaining about punishment about rules not being followed but rather abuse of given rights by some staff members

If you feel anyone is abusing his power, feel free to report it to manager or above.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Deka on March 06, 2017, 01:47:00 pm

Quote from: AhmadOG on March 06, 2017, 01:40:50 pm

we won't give them absolute freedom right? they will obey the same rules. the difference is they will have more abilities and money than us.

That's not even equal, money and abilities is counted too in this server. we have struggles to get them and they just can have it with paying ?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 01:47:52 pm

Quote from: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 01:45:04 pm

This is an economic matter, give and take. Both parties satisfied.
If you are an admin and hate that people are becoming previllaged more and you arent, this is a typical responce and I get it.

So you are basically saying that the admins who are against this should quit.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 01:48:09 pm

Quote from: Joey on March 06, 2017, 01:46:01 pm

If you feel anyone is abusing his power, feel free to report it to manager or above.

Good luck getting any response you clearly have no idea how ignored all those reports are in reality

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 01:49:12 pm

Quote from: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 01:47:52 pm

So you are basically saying that the admins who are against this should quit.

Either this or owners silently dumping server down cus lack of cash to keep it up

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 01:50:37 pm

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 01:48:09 pm

Good luck getting any response you clearly have no idea how ignored all those reports are in reality

None of the reports are ignored.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Joey on March 06, 2017, 01:51:37 pm

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 01:48:09 pm

Good luck getting any response you clearly have no idea how ignored all those reports are in reality

Lol it will be taken into consideration if it's serious, no time for BS.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: superh2o on March 06, 2017, 01:52:29 pm

what a silly idea, whats next pay to get unbanned??

If you want you can donate you should not expect anything in return, if you roleplay don't expect anything in return, so what i'm saying is do what ever you want alone the rules, and we all are equal.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramo_Hawk on March 06, 2017, 01:53:03 pm

Lol, not gonna happen.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mark on March 06, 2017, 01:53:25 pm

(http://i.imgur.com/09QreZd.png)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 01:53:39 pm

Quote from: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 01:50:37 pm

None of the reports are ignored.

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Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: AhmadLov on March 06, 2017, 01:54:04 pm

Quote from: Joey on March 06, 2017, 01:42:08 pm

Follow the rules and you won't be kicked.

we're back at it again. players like joey always resort to basic replies instead of having a moment and think of a better response.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 01:54:19 pm

Quote from: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 01:47:52 pm

So you are basically saying that the admins who are against this should quit.

No one is above owner, they struggle alot to pay for host and y'all Bi*ching about not supporting donations , when 1 simple dialog is sent to them to advantage both players and owners.

Admins arent special neither are donators.

Everyone plays his role, you donate you are previllaged for keeping the server alove.
You dont then you dont.
No one should quit or hate.
Just remember if you love this community and wish it will survive in the next 10 years expect changes.

Many will say no i feel less than a donator, oh no I should quit.

Its up to you to do what you want no one is forcing you.

0% on donations and you talk here as if you donated thousands of dollars and you are so loving and loyal to the server.

This is for the better and many other than you disagreeing with come to a fact and reality and actually understand why this is done.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Deka on March 06, 2017, 01:55:16 pm

Quote from: Markk on March 06, 2017, 01:53:25 pm

(http://i.imgur.com/09QreZd.png)

+1

Read this.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 01:55:31 pm

Quote from: superh2o on March 06, 2017, 01:52:29 pm

what a silly idea, whats next pay to get unbanned??

If you want you can donate you should not expect anything in return, if you roleplay don't expect anything in return, so what i'm saying is do what ever you want alone the rules, and we all are equal.

0% donations, seems like many are donating and understand what its about.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: AhmadLov on March 06, 2017, 01:56:03 pm

Quote from: Deka on March 06, 2017, 01:47:00 pm

That's not even equal, money and abilities is counted too in this server. we have struggles to get them and they just can have it with paying ?

yes. cause they also struggle while gaining their hard money.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 01:56:11 pm

Quote from: Deka on March 06, 2017, 01:55:16 pm

+1

Read this.

Changes can be made, we are humans not gods.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Joey on March 06, 2017, 01:56:38 pm

Man if you wanna donate and get something in return, just pay for all the days you played for free.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 01:57:16 pm

Nobody gives a single funk about donating any cash neither do I , so thats why we should implement donation system that wouldnt look like a waste of money for donator.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 01:57:54 pm

Quote from: AhmadOG on March 06, 2017, 01:54:04 pm

we're back at it again. players like joey always resort to basic replies instead of having a moment and think of a better response.

Basic replies are enough to sort things out as hypocrite as these.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 01:59:35 pm

Quote from: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 01:57:54 pm

Basic replies are enough to sort things out as hypocrite as these.

Dont try to be a hero at these moments at need , this community struggles AF to survive. Realise this and think about it for a bit.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Deka on March 06, 2017, 01:59:48 pm

Quote from: AhmadOG on March 06, 2017, 01:56:03 pm

yes. cause they also struggle while gaining their hard money.

We're here not playing for Real Life, we are having fun here and making friends here, nothing related with Real Life money. and why would we spend our money just for having unrealistic money?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Joey on March 06, 2017, 01:59:59 pm

Quote from: AhmadOG on March 06, 2017, 01:54:04 pm

we're back at it again. players like joey always resort to basic replies instead of having a moment and think of a better response.

I am soooo soooorrryyyy ser for saying the truth.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mark on March 06, 2017, 02:00:30 pm

money will make this community great again :war: :war: :war: :war: :war:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: AhmadLov on March 06, 2017, 02:00:39 pm

Quote from: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 01:57:54 pm

Basic replies are enough to sort things out as hypocrite as these.

true, I use the same way to response when I try to run away from someone and ignore him.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gr3ZxO_Gradiano. on March 06, 2017, 02:01:13 pm

What thell are you guys talking about?

It's been like that since the start of this community. You donate for the server, you donate on your own will, the staff never ASKED you to donate anyway.

What are you expecting? somekind of a ''cnr'' shit? let's say, in real life, you don't donate to gain advantages, right? The point is, Argonath was meant for ''Roleplay Game''.

No way it'll be implented that way.

And as for you know, the problem is, Gandalf has not been available to catch up in forum or email to know that the hosts should be extended, so it's not an actual problem of financial at the moment.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Joey on March 06, 2017, 02:01:58 pm

Quote from: AhmadOG on March 06, 2017, 02:00:39 pm

true, I use the same way to response when I try to run away from someone and ignore him.

I am still here ser

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: AhmadLov on March 06, 2017, 02:03:10 pm

Quote from: Deka on March 06, 2017, 01:59:48 pm

We're here not playing for Real Life, we are having fun here and making friends here, nothing related with Real Life money. and why would we spend our money just for having unrealistic money?

.. we had so much happy moments playing Argo, but why don't we stand beside our beloved community in time of need?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Deka on March 06, 2017, 02:03:18 pm

Haha, I was right when someone starts the discussion about "Donation could make something to Donator" it would make a mess conversation.

#I'mLeaving.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Joey on March 06, 2017, 02:03:57 pm

Quote from: AhmadOG on March 06, 2017, 02:03:10 pm

.. we had so much happy moments playing Argo, but why don't we stand beside our beloved community in time of need?

Because ppl expect to get something in return

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 02:04:18 pm

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 01:59:35 pm

Dont try to be a hero at these moments at need , this community struggles AF to survive. Realise this and think about it for a bit.

Hero? Nobody will be a hero, the server has come a long way without this system being implemented.

Quote from: AhmadOG on March 06, 2017, 02:00:39 pm

true, I use the same way to response when I try to run away from someone and ignore him.
That's your way of dealing with things, not ours. ;)

Quote from: Gr3ZxO_Gradiano. on March 06, 2017, 02:01:13 pm
What thell are you guys talking about?

It's been like that since the start of this community. You donate for the server, you donate on your own will, the staff never ASKED you to donate anyway.

What are you expecting? somekind of a ''cnr'' shit? let's say, in real life, you don't donate to gain advantages, right? The point is, Argonath was meant for ''Roleplay Game''.

No way it'll be implented that way.

And as for you know, the problem is, Gandalf has not been available to catch up in forum or email to know that the hosts should be extended, so it's not an actual problem of financial at the moment.
This ^

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: AhmadLov on March 06, 2017, 02:04:28 pm

Quote from: Joey on March 06, 2017, 02:01:58 pm

I am still here ser

I'm not gonna dump you, you're funny.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:04:41 pm

So if Argonath can survive on air and host costs zero dollars and owners are willing to put their own cash on this any more and expect a dummie to go and donate for no reward then this community is set to dissapear and these so-called "host problems" are a warning sign that argo aint survive any longer on this policy cus nobody donates any damn more. Unless someone of you wants to keep a host server in his home 24/7 running bills up and not getting paid back by any1 in community for its upkeep

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 02:06:53 pm

So if Argonath can survive on air and host costs zero dollars and owners are willing to put their own cash on this any more and expect a dummie to go and donate for no reward then this community is set to dissapear and these so-called "host problems" are a warning sign that argo aint survive any longer on this policy cus nobody donates any damn more. Unless someone of you wants to keep a host server in his home 24/7 running bills up and not getting paid back by any1 in community for its upkeep

"Nothing lasts forever"

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: AhmadLov on March 06, 2017, 02:07:02 pm

you messed up the whole subject @Gr3ZxO_Gradiano. we're talking about why should we donate and why we wont and the aftermath.

no one forced us to donate tho

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Joey on March 06, 2017, 02:07:17 pm

Quote from: AhmadOG on March 06, 2017, 02:07:02 pm

So if Argonath can survive on air and host costs zero dollars and owners are willing to put their own cash on this any more and expect a dummie to go and donate for no reward then this community is set to dissapear and these so-called "host problems" are a warning sign that argo aint survive any longer on this policy cus nobody donates any damn more. Unless someone of you wants to keep a host server in his home 24/7 running bills up and not getting paid back by any1 in community for its upkeep

But you still play for free

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Deka on March 06, 2017, 02:08:57 pm

you messed up the whole subject @Gr3ZxO_Gradiano. we're talking about why should we donate and why we wont and the aftermath.

no one forced us to donate tho

Man, He just wanted to end this conversation.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gr3ZxO_Gradiano. on March 06, 2017, 02:09:59 pm

Quote from: AhmadOG on March 06, 2017, 02:07:02 pm

you messed up the whole subject @Gr3ZxO_Gradiano. we're talking about why should we donate and why we wont and the aftermath.

no one forced us to donate tho

You ''are'' not going to ''get'' any advantages by donating, period.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:10:08 pm

You all mods have no idea i give not a single shizz about no donation system if we dis not need cash to make this god damn server to keep running. I aint gonna buy anything even if this is going to be done , i have other ways to spend cash. But someone else will certainly donate for server knowing his good deed is not forgotten.
So are you admins here are arguing against the idea because you dont want the community to continue to survive or what??

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 02:11:31 pm

Quote from: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 02:06:53 pm

"Nothing lasts forever"

So you dont care about argonath dying from undertarget donation for 5 years+
You think owners dont have life and other more responsibilities to do or more ways to spend money in good things.

1 good idea comes about donating in a different way that will improve the server in multiple ways.
Then you think that because it affects you , you simply have no expectations for it to change.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:11:57 pm

Quote from: Joey on March 06, 2017, 02:07:17 pm

But you still play for free

Cus i have no reason to spend my own cash for this and i dont give a shit is that enough reason for you?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mark on March 06, 2017, 02:12:06 pm

Quote from: Gr3ZxO_Gradiano. on March 06, 2017, 02:09:59 pm

these so-called "host problems" are a warning sign that argo aint survive any longer on this policy cus nobody donates any damn more. Unless someone of you wants to keep a host server in his home 24/7 running bills up and not getting paid back by any1 in community for its upkeep

(http://www.midiamax.com.br/sites/default/files/nazare_1meme.gif)

u poet

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: AhmadLov on March 06, 2017, 02:12:26 pm

You ''are'' not going to ''get'' any advantages by donating, period.

I "won't" donate then, cash me ousside how bah dah

Roasting simulator lol,I like this.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Joey on March 06, 2017, 02:14:01 pm

Lol you still don't get it. No one is against the donations. But getting some extra sweets on your plate just because you donated ain't gonna happen.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mark on March 06, 2017, 02:14:15 pm

i think gandalf got kidnapped by illuminati we're all dead now bye bye friends :war: :war:

is it hard to understand that people are supporting the idea to donate but not to earn an advantage over others in-game? It's how daddy wants it to be and so be it

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:15:02 pm

Looks like staff members would love to see this community dead , according to their resistance to make argonath make money for its own hosting costs.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 02:15:23 pm

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:10:08 pm

You all mods have no idea i give not a single shizz about no donation system if we dis not need cash to make this god damn server to keep running. I aint gonna buy anything even if this is going to be done , i have other ways to spend cash. But someone else will certainly donate for server knowing his good deed is not forgotten.
So are you admins here are arguing against the idea because you dont want the community to continue to survive or what??

We are just saying that turning a RPG into a MMORPG is going to get people to live, then there is no point in leaving a community alive with no one play.

Quote from: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 02:11:31 pm

So you dont care about argonath dying from undertarget donation for 5 years+
You think owners dont have life and other more responsibilities to do or more ways to spend money in good things.

1 good idea comes about donating in a different way that will improve the server in multiple ways.
Then you think that because it affects you , you simply have no expectations for it to change.

I am sorry.
1. Have you donated before?
2. Define change.
3. I have more expectations than you can ever think of. You can't read my mind.
4. It doesn't affect me, I'll keep playing. I am just saying that this idea will ruin the thought of "A World of its own"

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:16:09 pm

Quote from: Joey on March 06, 2017, 02:14:01 pm

Lol you still don't get it. No one is against the donations. But getting some extra sweets on your plate just because you donated ain't gonna happen.

Pay me for my tommorows dinner.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Joey on March 06, 2017, 02:17:20 pm

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:11:57 pm

Cus i have no reason to spend my own cash for this and i dont give a shit is that enough reason for you?

Exactly ser.

Quote from: AhmadOG on March 06, 2017, 02:12:26 pm

I "won't" donate then, cash me ousside how bah dah

No one asked you to donate lol donations are made on own will and not by force.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Deka on March 06, 2017, 02:17:50 pm

Take it easy, lets just say we are equal in here, and nothing will happens if you donating and asked for return, that would never happens. For people who donates, they're trying to help Gandalf to extend the host, so you guys can play Argo every time. But the problem is, Gandalf hasn't active atm, so please wait.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gr3ZxO_Gradiano. on March 06, 2017, 02:18:32 pm

you people are so rock-head, argonath has been running for almost 11 years and yet, we never closed the community. so, why the worries and expecting some vip shit?

i understood about your no-life frustastion on frequent downtime, but shit happens, so try to deal with it, be glad you can play on the server for free

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Joey on March 06, 2017, 02:18:47 pm

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:16:09 pm

Pay me for my tommorows dinner.

Lol better starve.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:20:02 pm

Thing is that all the "kind" guys are dissapearing. The train left the station , alright?
There should be ANY motivation for one to donate. I'd rather burn my cash than donate for free. Why? Because at least i can see money burn and enjoy it , instead free donation that doesnt benefit me back in any way.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mark on March 06, 2017, 02:20:10 pm

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:15:02 pm

Looks like staff members would love to see this community dead , according to their resistance to make argonath make money for its own hosting costs.

(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/meme/images/2/2d/Illuminati.png/revision/latest?cb=20161114204625)

you sound pretty much like an illuminati fag-boi

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Joey on March 06, 2017, 02:20:22 pm

Quote from: Gr3ZxO_Gradiano. on March 06, 2017, 02:18:32 pm

you people are so rock-head, argonath has been running for almost 11 years and yet, we never closed the community. so, why the worries and expecting some vip shit?

i understood about your no-life frustastion on frequent downtime, but shit happens, so try to deal with it, be glad you can play on the server for free

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: AhmadLov on March 06, 2017, 02:20:54 pm

This shows how you understand things shallowly.

What I wrote was the donators reaction.
@Joey

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:21:38 pm

Quote from: Joey on March 06, 2017, 02:18:47 pm

Lol better starve.

Thats exact reason why people donate no more making us on insane downtimes then pretending theres a downtime

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:22:44 pm

Quote from: Markk on March 06, 2017, 02:20:10 pm

(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/meme/images/2/2d/Illuminati.png/revision/latest?cb=20161114204625)

you sound pretty much like an illuminati fag-boi

Get a decent argument instead bashing people over a cable

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 02:23:32 pm

Quote from: AhmadOG on March 06, 2017, 02:20:54 pm

This shows how you understand things shallowly.

Atleast we understand things.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Joey on March 06, 2017, 02:23:43 pm

Quote from: AhmadOG on March 06, 2017, 02:20:54 pm

This shows how you understand things shallowly.

What I wrote was the donators reaction.
@Joey

Donations mean giving something and not expecting anything in return. If you are expecting to get something extra cuz u donated, it's like buying shark cards and not a donation.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Bruce. on March 06, 2017, 02:24:06 pm

This aint a Pay to win community. Go in LSRP if you want that.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 02:24:20 pm

Quote from: Gr3ZxO_Gradiano. on March 06, 2017, 02:18:32 pm

you people are so rock-head, argonath has been running for almost 11 years and yet, we never closed the community. so, why the worries and expecting some vip shit?

i understood about your no-life frustastion on frequent downtime, but shit happens, so try to deal with it, be glad you can play on the server for free

You keep using "Free" thats what you think its all about and what it will be.
Being selfish and thinking that NO keep things as they are.
We dont give. a sh*t about how gandalf is struggling to pay dor server hosts.
We will just moan about keep things as they are.
When you check donation you can clearly get hit by the fact that no one is donating, not you , not me and nobody else.

One simple change to donations to make the server more exciting and attractive to play but no, you want to deny it.

Im.not new here I have played for hours and hours and not thinking that donations will affect me because newer players will struggle less.

Im thinking of the GREATER GOOD, If you really believe in your words, explain why 0% is on donations and I will be glad to reply.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: AhmadLov on March 06, 2017, 02:25:28 pm

Quote from: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 02:23:32 pm

Atleast we understand things.

superficially.

Quote from: Joey on March 06, 2017, 02:23:43 pm

Donations mean giving something and not expecting anything in return. If you are expecting to get something extra cuz u donated, it's like buying shark cards and not a donation.

give it back then

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mark on March 06, 2017, 02:26:24 pm

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:21:38 pm

Thats exact reason why people donate no more making us on insane downtimes then pretending theres a downtime

damn son, this conspiracy is getting darker

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:22:44 pm

Get a decent argument instead bashing people over a cable

i'm on Wi-Fi

i gave you my argument but you lack some of that grey thingy since you don't want to understand what they're saying. It's written by the owner that nobody will ever get advantage in-game for donating, it's his vision. Just like IV:MP loves to follow Gandalf's outdated vision, this is part of it. Fine? :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:26:42 pm

Quote from: Joey on March 06, 2017, 02:23:43 pm

Donations mean giving something and not expecting anything in return. If you are expecting to get something extra cuz u donated, it's like buying shark cards and not a donation,

Then dont be surprised one day they will announce closing of community. Times when SAMP was rly popular , are gone , not talking even about any other server in community. Those kiddos donating money are sparse now. Ppl playing samp argo , where are the tons of ppl u used to have before? Yep, donations will fall with fall of players which is inevitable cus samp is old asf

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gr3ZxO_Gradiano. on March 06, 2017, 02:27:00 pm

Quote from: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 02:24:20 pm

You keep using "Free" thats what you think its all about and what it will be.
Being selfish and thinking that NO keep things as they are.
We dont give. a sh*t about how gandalf is struggling to pay dor server hosts.
We will just moan about keep things as they are.
When you check donation you can clearly get hit by the fact that no one is donating, not you , not me and nobody else.

One simple change to donations to make the server more exciting and attractive to play but no, you want to deny it.

Im.not new here I have played for hours and hours and not thinking that donations will affect me because newer players will struggle less.

Im thinking of the GREATER GOOD, If you really believe in your words, explain why 0% is on donations and I will be glad to reply.

almost died laughing when i see your registration date and acting like you know everything :war: :war: :war:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Joey on March 06, 2017, 02:27:31 pm

Quote from: AhmadOG on March 06, 2017, 02:25:28 pm

give it back then

No refunds on shark card ser

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:28:09 pm

Quote from: Gr3ZxO_Gradiano. on March 06, 2017, 02:27:00 pm

almost died laughing when i see your registration date and acting like you know everything :war: :war: :war:

Yeah clearly u dunno him

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 02:29:40 pm

Quote from: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 02:24:20 pm

explain why 0% is on donations and I will be glad to reply.

Because people won't donate unless they expect VIP treatment in return. It's not like people donate to Orphanages for VIP treatment, do they?

Quote from: AhmadOG on March 06, 2017, 02:25:28 pm

superficially.

Define Superficial.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: AhmadLov on March 06, 2017, 02:29:45 pm

Quote from: Gr3ZxO_Gradiano. on March 06, 2017, 02:27:00 pm

almost died laughing when i see your registration date and acting like you know everything :war: :war: :war:

it's not how old are you in this community. I mean let's talk about you as an example, you suck

A better example, some young people know more about world war than those who lived in it's era

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 02:29:55 pm

:bananarock:

Quote from: Gr3ZxO_Gradiano. on March 06, 2017, 02:27:00 pm

almost died laughing when i see your registration date and acting like you know everything :war: :war: :war:

Just as some people called you "Shallow" and now clearly immaturly degrading other people.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 02:32:23 pm

Its" dialog with owners"
Read the first page to understand what it is about.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 02:34:13 pm

Quote from: AhmadOG on March 06, 2017, 02:29:45 pm

A better example, people know more about world war than those who lived in it's era

Yeah, and those people don't try to change that war.

Quote from: AhmadOG on March 06, 2017, 02:29:45 pm

it's not how old are you in this community. I mean let's talk about you as an example, you suck

It's clear that you are not here to argue with valid points. This just shows how immature you are.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:37:02 pm

from a decent talk it had became trashy insulting and trolling topic it seems
Especially from those who pretend to be 'something' aka samp vets and mods

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: AhmadLov on March 06, 2017, 02:37:38 pm

Quote from: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 02:34:13 pm

Yeah, and those people don't try to change that war. It's clear that you are not here to argue with valid points. This just shows how immature you are.

they can't change it but at least they're not ignorant, pardon me I'm trying to adapt with old heads

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pete on March 06, 2017, 02:39:42 pm

Bravo guys, Bravo! :app: :app: :app: You made another discussion full of the crying and accusing people. You see the owner made a decision to NOT put things like VIP VIP+ VIPx75 in game simply to make all players work for the things they want to get in the server, and as few guys stated Donation is to give something not expecting anything back. And there are some people that have money and can donate but don't want to cause they won't get anything back it's their decision. So as Bruce stated if you want to get something in return there are plenty of servers that would accept that. Here it isn't and we should respect that.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 02:40:16 pm

Quote from: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 02:29:40 pm

Because people won't donate unless they expect VIP treatment in return. It's not like people donate to Orphanages for VIP treatment, do they? Define Superficial.

Then if people want VIP to donate give them what they want.
They will give you what you want as well.
Trying to act harsh and disagree with what people want they will disagree as well.
And the donations will stay at 0%

Unless you have another way around this, please do tell me.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:40:36 pm

So if you guys believe enough fools will appear to fund this server , sure stay on this outdated policy if you dont mind this server dying eventually then.

Cheers

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 02:41:35 pm

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:40:36 pm

So if you guys believe enough fools will appear to fund this server , sure stay on this outdated policy if you dont mind this server dying eventually then.

Cheers

So, if death is the concern. Are you going to donate to extend your own life? :uhm:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mark on March 06, 2017, 02:43:56 pm

http://club.argonathrpg.com/index.php/financial

Take a look at the donations done in the past years, i don't think those people ever got any advantage in-game like the ones you're trying to ask.

Quote from: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 02:32:23 pm

Its" dialog with owners"
Read the first page to understand what it is about.

As someone else said (his post got removed ayyyyy) it should be renamed to monologue with owners.

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:37:02 pm

from a decent talk it had became trashy insulting and trolling topic it seems

happens when you don't think before attacking someone who tries to argue back and explain you his point of view. You guys went from sharing an opinion to making an argument against staff members, going off topic and then moaning because daddy doesn't want to change his own vision. It was discussed last summer and thousands of times before, every single time it was denied, it's a fact.

btw nice conspiracy i rate 10/10

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:15:02 pm

Looks like staff members would love to see this community dead , according to their resistance to make argonath make money for its own hosting costs.

Quote from: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 02:41:35 pm

these so-called "host problems" are a warning sign that argo aint survive any longer on this policy cus nobody donates any damn more. Unless someone of you wants to keep a host server in his home 24/7 running bills up and not getting paid back by any1 in community for its upkeep

(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/meme/images/2/2d/Illuminati.png/revision/latest?cb=20161114204625)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: CharlieKasper on March 06, 2017, 02:44:03 pm

Three reactions-

This topic has been plagued.

You don't get to see IV:MP people arguing outside their community.

IV:MP, please don't turn into SA:MP.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:45:02 pm

So, if death is the concern. Are you going to donate to extend your own life? :uhm:

It is not my concern it is every one of you thinking stupidly that people will keep donating. And when someone is seriously sick , he doesnt think something will help him without doing a thing. He buys medicine.
Argonath needs some medicine to keep itself alive as well but you all keep ignoring the fact.
Even if that system is here , im not a potential donator but I expect someone else to be.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 02:45:08 pm

Quote from: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 02:41:35 pm

So, if death is the concern. Are you going to donate to extend your own life? :uhm:

So if you are sick, dont take medicines, cuz you want to prove your point to the community, even if death is the consequence.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mark on March 06, 2017, 02:46:46 pm

Quote from: CharlieKasper on March 06, 2017, 02:44:03 pm

Three reactions-

This topic has been plagued.
You don't get to see IV:MP people arguing outside their community.
IV:MP, please don't turn into SA:MP.

That's why i always argue in private. Be smart, be ramis, make random assumptions and pretend people to take you serious after :cowboy:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:47:43 pm

Quote from: CharlieKasper on March 06, 2017, 02:44:03 pm

Three reactions-

This topic has been plagued.
You don't get to see IV:MP people arguing outside their community.
IV:MP, please don't turn into SA:MP.

If you think IVMP is not important in any way then you can screw yourself with such an opinion as well if you pretend samp is somewhat superior

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mark on March 06, 2017, 02:48:22 pm

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:45:02 pm

It is not my concern it is every one of you thinking stupidly that people will keep donating. And when someone is seriously sick , he doesnt think something will help him without doing a thing. He buys medicine.
Argonath needs some medicine to keep itself alive as well but you all keep ignoring the fact.

money is the medicine that will save argonath? :rofl:
Damn, you're going even more deep into shit.

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:47:43 pm

If you think IVMP is not important in any way then you can screw yourself with such an opinion as well if you pretend samp is somewhat superior

Did you even read his post? hope you're trolling

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pokedude on March 06, 2017, 02:48:38 pm

Quote from: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 02:45:08 pm

So if you are sick, dont take medicines, cuz you want to prove your point to the community, even if death is the consequence.

Death is eventuality. I'll end my argument here. Do whatever you want, I have total faith in Gandalf. I am pretty sure that this won't be implemented. Thank you for your time.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Joey on March 06, 2017, 02:49:36 pm

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:47:43 pm

If you think IVMP is not important in any way then you can screw yourself with such an opinion as well if you pretend samp is somewhat superior

Lol he said IVMP was better and he wants it to stay like it and not turn into SAMP. You still don't get it.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gr3ZxO_Gradiano. on March 06, 2017, 02:51:06 pm

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:47:43 pm

If you think IVMP is not important in any way then you can screw yourself with such an opinion as well if you pretend samp is somewhat superior

L O L

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:53:31 pm

Alright so like I said , we can keep current policy and expect a miracle of years of donations to keep it running. Anyone with a little logic realises due to advancement of tech as well as games less and less people stay on samp ivmp vicemp etc , making even less people as well as newcomers that are potential donors.
Poke doesnt give a fk about it dying and doesnt want to help argonath to stay up it seems for as long as it is possible.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Joey on March 06, 2017, 02:53:53 pm

(http://replygif.net/i/1126.gif)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Hidduh on March 06, 2017, 02:54:34 pm

(https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/89641/1.0)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mark on March 06, 2017, 02:55:12 pm

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:53:31 pm

Alright so like I said , we can keep current policy and expect a miracle of years of donations to keep it running. Anyone with a little logic realises due to advancement of tech as well as games less and less people stay on samp ivmp vicemp etc , making even less people as well as newcomers that are potential donors.
Poke doesnt give a fk about it dying and doesnt want to help argonath to stay up it seems for as long as it is possible.

these so-called "host problems" are a warning sign that argo aint survive any longer on this policy cus nobody donates any damn more. Unless someone of you wants to keep a host server in his home 24/7 running bills up and not getting paid back by any1 in community for its upkeep

u want me to take you serious after all this?

(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/meme/images/2/2d/Illuminati.png/revision/latest?cb=20161114204625)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Cofiliano on March 06, 2017, 02:55:23 pm

Nice to see the cancer influence of SAMP on you guys from IVMP, keep it up!

The only thing I would add as a purchasable feature on SAMP, that would actually have a point in paying, yet not giving advantage comparing to other players, is second account.

With strict rules of usage.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 02:56:31 pm

Quote from: Markk on March 06, 2017, 02:55:12 pm

Make paid server features like special bonuses when doing jobs, less weed growing time.
faster game rhl evading times etc.

Many will pay for premium servers, 1440eu wont be donated for nothing.

So I suggest in my case for IV:MP, few example:

1- Emergancy+ donator , earn 2x cash when doing fireman and medic mission. cost: 40eu
2- Dealership+ donator , earn 1.5x more profits upon sales. cost: 60eu
3- officer+ donator , earn 2x cash upon killing suspects or jailing them, cost: 40eu
[each higher number inherits previous features]
4- Drugsdealer+ donator+ 0.5x bonus , weed harvesting time is 0.5min, next weed growing time 2.5min . cost: 10eu
5- Smuggler+ donator,1.0x bonus no weed harvesting and growing times, cost 25eu
6- Gangster+ donator, 1.5x bonus 1kg free cannabis daily 24hours cooldown timer , cost 50eu
7- Criminal+ donator, 2x bonus ,no suspection for weed, harvesting and growing + free daily armor, cost 100eu.

If you have any idea, project or anything at all constructive to add , please do.
Else, if you disagree with it, maybe the owners don't, so stop sh*tting on my the message I'm trying to deliver to the owners.
Have a good day.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:57:01 pm

u want me to take you serious after all this?

(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/meme/images/2/2d/Illuminati.png/revision/latest?cb=20161114204625)

You're not something to me for me to care anything about what you think about me.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gr3ZxO_Gradiano. on March 06, 2017, 03:00:22 pm

Quote from: Cofiliano on March 06, 2017, 02:55:23 pm

Nice to see the cancer influence of SAMP on you guys from IVMP, keep it up!

The only thing I would add as a purchasable feature on SAMP, that would actually have a point in paying, yet not giving advantage comparing to other players, is second account.

With strict rules of usage.

due to all respect, if i may know, what would you do about the 2nd account if 1 account is enough?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mark on March 06, 2017, 03:00:28 pm

Quote from: Cofiliano on March 06, 2017, 02:55:23 pm

Nice to see the cancer influence of SAMP on you guys from IVMP, keep it up!

Nah, no influence. They always played IV:MP regularly till they realized they couldn't do what they wanted. I guess they're just bored and they need one of those fantastic features of last 10 years called pay2win.

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 02:57:01 pm

You're not something to me for me to care anything about what you think about me.

i don't know if i should be scared or not, are you going to hurt me now?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 03:02:17 pm

Quote from: Markk on March 06, 2017, 03:00:28 pm

i don't know if i should be scared or not, are you going to hit me now?

You feel important. Okay. Feel this way if you wish.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: zsmis on March 06, 2017, 03:02:35 pm

Quote from: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 02:56:31 pm

If you have any idea, project or anything at all constructive to add , please do.
Else, if you disagree with it, maybe the owners don't, so stop sh*tting on my the message I'm trying to deliver to the owners.
Have a good day.

It's just gonna make it into a p2p server which no one likes.I'd just stick to donating from the kindness of your heart to show support.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Joey on March 06, 2017, 03:02:49 pm

(https://lacamarademiex.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/frank-underwood-this-is-the-part-where-you-leave-gif-from-house-of-cards_zps53761446.gif)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 03:03:48 pm

Quote from: Joey on March 06, 2017, 03:02:49 pm

(https://lacamarademiex.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/frank-underwood-this-is-the-part-where-you-leave-gif-from-house-of-cards_zps53761446.gif)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 03:05:46 pm

Quote from: zsmis on March 06, 2017, 03:02:35 pm

It's just gonna make it into a p2p server which no one likes.I'd just stick to donating from the kindness of your heart to show support.

If p2p is the solution then people should accept it to keep the server alive, and not to be derived by their ego and own willing of things.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 03:07:32 pm

One thing most of you dont understand, a person who spends cash on something in the server is still obliged to follow the rules.

But you all think like if we are trying to make them like semi-gods that arent obliged to follow rules and being bootlicked by staff members and everyone else cus he spent two bucks on server stuff

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mark on March 06, 2017, 03:12:52 pm

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 03:02:17 pm

You feel important. Okay. Feel this way if you wish.

(http://i.imgur.com/v7DzGsS.giff)

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 03:07:32 pm

One thing most of you dont understand, a person who spends cash on something in the server is still obliged to follow the rules.

who said it's the opposite? You're stating the obvious.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 03:14:39 pm

Quote from: Markk on March 06, 2017, 03:12:52 pm

(http://i.imgur.com/eMmiysh.gif)

Wow expected a much better response than this childish junk you've posted

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: superh2o on March 06, 2017, 03:15:13 pm

What the puck is this lol, how can anyone but Gandalf know how much money he has and can he or cant keep paying to hosts and such things, he made his opinion about donations very clear.

Quote from: Markk on March 06, 2017, 01:53:25 pm

(http://i.imgur.com/09QreZd.png)

Till Gandalf come and says help me pay the bills its clear its a voluntary thing.

The reason for current down time issue is not clear to all, but what is clear is that Teddy is working on fixing it.

All assumptions that the down time is related to not paid bills are just speculation at best.

Also, i can say for 100% that no report to Managers about staff abuse has been ignored, you can believe what you wish IVMP HQ is not ignoring its players. I have been present or informed of many reports about staff and even been warned once for my own actions when i left some blocks on a busy road. If you feel abused by any player (staff included) pming senate or dino will deliver your report in right hands.

Cheers :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Cofiliano on March 06, 2017, 03:17:08 pm

Quote from: Gr3ZxO_Gradiano. on March 06, 2017, 03:00:22 pm

due to all respect, if i may know, what would you do about the 2nd account if 1 account is enough?

Something else than what you do on your first account?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 03:20:05 pm

Quote from: Markk on March 06, 2017, 03:12:52 pm

(http://i.imgur.com/eMmiysh.gif)

who said it's the opposite? You're stating the obvious.

If you read what i suggested, its just bonuses.
Nothing special.
You pay for something, you get something.
You continue playing more and more because you know that you put money into the server, you wont be abandoning it anytime soon.
Most thing I hate is seeing that people who built empires and got lots of cash dont want to have people compete with them and want them to follow the same path they took.

Thats just so selfish , you think about p2p most of in-game process , whats going to happen and how you will be affected.

You DONT GET the bigger picture that the Server is falling down, less number of players, more downtimes.

You simply want to the the same old policy, if you think to change things to a better way, believe me it will.
All items in-game are simply codes so nothing is being consumed.
But because it can affect you and your Roleplay, or simply because you cant pay.
You'd rather see the server die than stand up and help it.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: James on March 06, 2017, 03:25:26 pm

Can we get the server back? Guys? It would be good if you try harder?? like spamming Gandalf pm? which I did?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 03:28:39 pm

Quote from: superh2o on March 06, 2017, 03:15:13 pm

What the puck is this lol,

Thats why I wrote it here to owners, not to a staff who would call my suggetion and the replies on it as "PUCK"

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: superh2o on March 06, 2017, 03:31:28 pm

Quote from: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 03:28:39 pm

Thats why I wrote it here to owners, not to a staff who would call my suggetion and the replies on it as "PUCK"

i'm sorry you took only 1 line from my quote i explained all how it is, good luck in changing Gandalfs opinion.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Vitorrio on March 06, 2017, 03:32:24 pm

Quote from: Markk on March 06, 2017, 02:43:56 pm

Financial - Club Argonath (http://club.argonathrpg.com/index.php/financial)
Take a look at the donations done in the past years, I don't think those people ever got any advantage in-game like the ones you're trying to ask.

I don't really understand those charts, they all are really messy, but, from what I've seen, there have been donators, but the outcome was negative (correct me if I'm wrong). Now, I want all of us to be serious. Many of us don't have cards on us or don't have 200 Euros/$ at us at this very moment. It is okay. We are not obliged to pay anything at all.

Quote from: superh2o on March 06, 2017, 01:52:29 pm

What's next, pay to get unbanned??

In the meantime of those 8 pages of useless blabber, we haven't gone anywhere. Just a waste of text, that's what it is. Anyway, this isn't going to change the fact that we all are immature sometimes when we feel strongly that we are right. But you don't hear me complaining about what things DeeJay had done wrong to me. (Even though I brought it up, I am sorry for that)
The point is, and I think this is where we need to stick around to, we've become bored of doing these things because many people didn't want to just give up on buying cars or houses.

Oh, and please, refrain from the insults, they are just wrong and don't prove anything.

I've heard people from the SA:MP community that they got bored of so many commands to learn instead of roleplaying them and using their imaginations. I've heard a guy say on a deleted topic that going to RS 4.1 (I think) was a big mistake because everyone had to recover and he simply just got bored of that. Although, he did say that he felt the update was necessary because it was synchronizing with the new features of SA:MP. Anyway, I've observed that many players understand that by improving the Roleplay we need to add more and more commands.:eek: Not even close! In my opinion, I think that I know what the root to that problem is. We made them understand that way. Instead of going and leading by example on how to understand each other and be nice with one another, we focused ourselves on the money and on being more important than we were. Who remembers the old admin DeeJay? Well, he was thinking he was very important, but when he left the admin duty, nobody remembered him, because he wasn't nice to them and didn't help the community that much. One more thing, then I'll rest my case for now. Many of you are suffering of the "member berry disease", meaning that you like remembering stuff a bit better than it really was.

The member berries

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/551/berries.JPG)

You know, people after a war think that it was terrible, but, after decades from that, they think that it was an awesome thing that happened to their lives (or maybe not that far). Anyway, I don't find roleplaying so interesting in a game, but I've seen the "old days" roleplay type. It is good, but, quite long.

Too bad we can't really interact with each other in a game. :(

Quote from: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 03:20:05 pm

If you read what I suggested, it's just bonuses.
Nothing special.
You pay for something, you get something.
You continue playing more and more because you know that you put money into the server, you won't be abandoning it anytime soon.
All items in-game are simply codes, so nothing is being consumed.
But because it can affect you and your Roleplay, or simply because you can't pay.
You'd rather see the server die than stand up and help it.

Man, look. Freemium games are made 99% of people who don't pay and 1% of addicts. There are many people who pay poorly for in-game items and others who don't pay at all and have all items in that game. And the Roleplay doesn't have to do that much with the scripted jobs. I myself don't have a problem with waiting 1 minute for the plant to be harvested. I don't. It gives the officers time to interact with me and for me to roleplay something to stall them. For example, I do a magic trick in front of them. Roleplaying isn't about advantages over others or winning. It is about having fun and trying something you could not in your real life. Just like children play games taking roles. They don't pay money to have fun, they just step outside and take even sticks to play :).

So, probably you should just be nicer to each other and try to help the new players, you mean the galaxy to them (and I mean it). I rest my case.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mido on March 06, 2017, 03:33:15 pm

Quote from: superh2o on March 06, 2017, 03:15:13 pm

The reason for current down time issue is not clear to all, but what is clear is that Teddy is working on fixing it.

All assumptions that the down time is related to not paid bills are just speculation at best.

Also, i can say for 100% that no report to Managers about staff abuse has been ignored, you can believe what you wish IVMP HQ is not ignoring its players. I have been present or informed of many reports about staff and even been warned once for my own actions when i left some blocks on a busy road. If you feel abused by any player (staff included) pming senate or dino will deliver your report in right hands.

Exactly. so if you ask me is the server is diying due to finance issues i would say no. look where the actually problem exists and work on fixing it.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Hevar. on March 06, 2017, 03:36:09 pm

We need to build a wall between IV:MP and SA:MP players!

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 03:36:32 pm

Quote from: Mido on March 06, 2017, 03:33:15 pm

Exactly. so if you ask me is the server is diying due to finance issues i would say no. look where the actually problem exists and work on fixing it.

By absent response initially by server leadership to even start resolving the issue it took a while , it pretty much looks like they are not very enthusiastic in the server upkeep as a whole and arent really prioritizing it by any means.
I believe at least good three days of downtime will be.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: James on March 06, 2017, 03:36:54 pm

Quote from: Hevar. on March 06, 2017, 03:36:09 pm

We need to build a wall between IV:MP and SA:MP players!

+1 , argonath official trump has been revealed. clown trump.

EDIT: Watch out guys , this topic might get locked too

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 03:36:59 pm

Quote from: Hevar. on March 06, 2017, 03:36:09 pm

We need to build a wall between IV:MP and SA:MP players!

And SAMP will pay for it.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 03:39:12 pm

And to be honest i wish it was true , real toxic influence from the samp players that are such wannabe kings just because samp branch exists longer.
I'd be all four for the separation of the communities, we dont really have same priorities and demands like you guys in samp do.
As well as that one random samp'er bumping into IVMP topics all the time bashing it as whole.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mark on March 06, 2017, 03:39:46 pm

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 03:14:39 pm

Wow expected a much better response than this childish junk you've posted

(http://i.gifntext.com/cIkaPMSb4s.gif)

it was a gif

Quote from: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 03:20:05 pm

If you read what i suggested, its just bonuses.
Nothing special.
You pay for something, you get something.
You continue playing more and more because you know that you put money into the server, you wont be abandoning it anytime soon.
Most thing I hate is seeing that people who built empires and got lots of cash dont want to have people compete with them and want them to follow the same path they took.

Thats just so selfish , you think about p2p most of in-game process , whats going to happen and how you will be affected.

You DONT GET the bigger picture that the Server is falling down, less number of players, more downtimes.

You simply want to the the same old policy, if you think to change things to a better way, believe me it will.
All items in-game are simply codes so nothing is being consumed.
But because it can affect you and your Roleplay, or simply because you cant pay.
You'd rather see the server die than stand up and help it.

There is nothing more ridiculous than having to convince yourself that the only way to support the server is by donating cash that will give you an unfair advantages over others in-game. You're not asking simply bonuses, you're asking for perks that will help you in making cash faster by speeding up some values. The idea could partially work if you gave this opportunity also to the addicts who spend alot of time on the jobs you mentioned or growing weed.
What i see is you being lazy and jealous, trying to help the server in a wrong way and at same time focusing on cash made by others in a virtual world where the only thing you are told to do is interact and have fun with others.

There is no big picture to be seen, you're all tripping on the words of a few morons who think they know everything when they're just making assumptions.

btw if you checked the argonath club website you'd see argo is in crowdfunding since 2015, what else do you want? If you donated it means you're helping the owner to keep the servers alive which is more than enough for a non selfish person like you or i'm wrong? You're not just looking at personal gain over other players, right?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Vitorrio on March 06, 2017, 03:40:39 pm

Quote from: Hevar. on March 06, 2017, 03:36:09 pm

We need to build a wall between IV:MP and SA:MP players!

Why? It's like what Trump said about the Mexican people. You know, it isn't good to put borders at all. We all need to know what is happening inside and outside a country/community. I hope you understand why I said that, Hevar.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 03:41:48 pm

Quote from: Markk on March 06, 2017, 03:39:46 pm

(http://i.gifntext.com/cIkaPMSb4s.gif)

it was a gif

Gif or not , stupid and immature asf

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Marcel on March 06, 2017, 03:45:10 pm

Quote from: superh2o on March 06, 2017, 03:15:13 pm

The reason for current down time issue is not clear to all, but what is clear is that Teddy is working on fixing it.

What is clear is that Teddy won't be fixing it. He left the community and he was right in doing so.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 03:46:19 pm

Quote from: Marcel on March 06, 2017, 03:45:10 pm

What is clear is that Teddy won't be fixing it. He left the community and he was right in doing so.

Wow , the things are coming quicker than expected. :dance:

Now all my blablas about inevitable server death if we dont do anything , will bump into someone's heads finally.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Vitorrio on March 06, 2017, 03:46:59 pm

Quote from: CVP12345 on March 06, 2017, 03:32:24 pm

I don't really understand those charts, they all are really messy, but, from what I've seen, there have been donators, but the outcome was negative (correct me if I'm wrong). Now, I want all of us to be serious. Many of us don't have cards on us or don't have 200 Euros/$ at us at this very moment. It is okay. We are not obliged to pay anything at all.
Quote from: superh2o on March 06, 2017, 01:52:29 pm
What's next, pay to get unbanned??
In the meantime of those 8 pages of useless blabber, we haven't gone anywhere. Just a waste of text, that's what it is. Anyway, this isn't going to change the fact that we all are immature sometimes when we feel strongly that we are right. But you don't hear me complaining about what things DeeJay had done wrong to me. (Even though I brought it up, I am sorry for that)
The point is, and I think this is where we need to stick around to, we've become bored of doing these things because many people didn't want to just give up on buying cars or houses.
Oh, and please, refrain from the insults, they are just wrong and don't prove anything.

I've heard people from the SA:MP community that they got bored of so many commands to learn instead of roleplaying them and using their imaginations. I've heard Cofiliano say on a deleted topic that going to RS 4.1 (I think) was a big mistake because everyone had to recover and he simply just got bored of that. Although, he did say that he felt the update was necessary because it was synchronizing with the new features of SA:MP. Anyway, I've observed that many players understand that by improving the Roleplay we need to add more and more commands.:eek: Not even close! In my opinion, I think that I know what the root to that problem is. We made them understand that way. Instead of going and leading by example on how to understand each other and be nice with one another, we focused ourselves on the money and on being more important than we were. Who remembers the old admin DeeJay? Well, he was thinking he was very important, but when he left the admin duty, nobody remembered him, because he wasn't nice to them and didn't help the community that much. One more thing, then I'll rest my case for now. Many of you are suffering of the "member berry disease", meaning that you like remembering stuff a bit better than it really was.
The member berries
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/551/berries.JPG)
You know, people after a war think that it was terrible, but, after decades from that, they think that it was an awesome thing that happened to their lives (or maybe not that far). Anyway, I don't find roleplaying so interesting in a game, but I've seen the "old days" roleplay type. It is good, but, quite long.
Too bad we can't really interact with each other in a game. :(
Quote from: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 03:20:05 pm
If you read what I suggested, it's just bonuses.
Nothing special.
You pay for something, you get something.
You continue playing more and more because you know that you put money into the server, you won't be abandoning it anytime soon.
All items in-game are simply codes, so nothing is being consumed.
But because it can affect you and your Roleplay, or simply because you can't pay.
You'd rather see the server die than stand up and help it.
Man, look. Freemium games are made 99% of people who don't pay and 1% of addicts. There are many people who pay poorly for in-game items and others who don't pay at all and have all items in that game. And the Roleplay doesn't have to do that much with the scripted jobs. I myself don't have a problem with waiting 1 minute for the plant to be harvested. I don't. It gives the officers time to interact with me and for me to roleplay something to stall them. For example, I do a magic trick in front of them. Roleplaying isn't about advantages over others or winning. It is about having fun and trying something you could not in your real life. Just like children play games taking roles. They don't pay money to have fun, they just step outside and take even sticks to play :).
So, probably you should just be nicer to each other and try to help the new players, you mean the galaxy to them (and I mean it). I rest my case.

I'm sorry that I had to bump this in, but I would appreciate it if you would read what I said.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 03:49:29 pm

Quote from: CVP12345 on March 06, 2017, 03:32:24 pm

I don't really understand those charts, they all are really messy, but, from what I've seen, there have been donators, but the outcome was negative (correct me if I'm wrong). Now, I want all of us to be serious. Many of us don't have cards on us or don't have 200 Euros/$ at us at this very moment. It is okay. We are not obliged to pay anything at all.
Man, look. Freemium games are made 99% of people who don't pay and 1% of addicts. There are many people who pay poorly for in-game items and others who don't pay at all and have all items in that game. And the Roleplay doesn't have to do that much with the scripted jobs. I myself don't have a problem with waiting 1 minute for the plant to be harvested. I don't. It gives the officers time to interact with me and for me to roleplay something to stall them. For example, I do a magic trick in front of them. Roleplaying isn't about advantages over others or winning. It is about having fun and trying something you could not in your real life. Just like children play games taking roles. They don't pay money to have fun, they just step outside and take even sticks to play :).
So, probably you should just be nicer to each other and try to help the new players, you mean the galaxy to them (and I mean it). I rest my case.

Those are estimation of 2014,2015 when you couldnt join in IV while getting full server on daily basis, still it went to -
Samp had lots of players as well, its falling behind as well.

Lets look at this donation thing from another prespective, those who donate will also plan a longer stay in the server+ support it.
From personal experiance argonathrpg is the best server out there, we dont need to make it pay for play, but donators who get bonuses is attractive.
No they arent recognized in forums or ingame as vip, they simply are satisfied by who they are and what they have done.

From personal experiance again, I would rather play on a pay for play server because its more intersting.
Pure RP will still be in this.
In fact smart criminal as that rank suggests no suspection for growing weed is real.

Good criminal in real life know how to trick officers.
So this doesnt ruin RP either.

Regarding being immune to a ban, its not an option.
All server rules are followed.
If you get banned permanently, you wont get a refund.

This overall serves not only the economic part in the server, but also makes more people attractive to join the server and what newly features it involves.
So marketing also plays a role into this.

Gandalf has set a term for donation that you wont be treated specially, I see it as its "uneffective" so therefore this whole thing is a message to him to reconsider and hopefully make donation count as a bonus to donators.

This is how I think that Argonathrpg will be better than what it already is.

This is the time to forget about what experiance will happen to you or any side effects it will have.

Its not that I'm expecting to donate, but for someone else to donate and feel fully happy and satisfied about it.

As christmas or on occasions we can lower donation prices for same items.

More and more donation will favor the server and more people are going to be attached to playing longer in the server.

Im expecting a better community while suggesting this.
So again if you have another way that will benefit the community other than it benefiting yourself please tell me.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: superh2o on March 06, 2017, 03:50:53 pm

Quote from: Marcel on March 06, 2017, 03:45:10 pm

What is clear is that Teddy won't be fixing it. He left the community and he was right in doing so.

sorry im on my phone atm, the one of topics the make argonath great again or some name along those lines, teddy did post he will be tackling the issue and trying to fix it, will edit later with quote of him when i get my hands on a pc.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Cofiliano on March 06, 2017, 03:54:30 pm

Quote from: James on March 06, 2017, 03:25:26 pm

Can we get the server back? Guys? It would be good if you try harder?? like spamming Gandalf pm? which I did?

Gandalf has been informed already, and he's the one who asked Teddy to help out fix the issuse. Now he's waiting on Sauron for it.

Quote from: Marcel on March 06, 2017, 03:45:10 pm

What is clear is that Teddy won't be fixing it. He left the community and he was right in doing so.

You missed it, since the topic got deleted, Teddy is the one working on the fix atm.

@CVP12345
Wasn't me who wrote that tho, you mixed me up with someone else.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 03:54:51 pm

Quote from: superh2o on March 06, 2017, 03:50:53 pm

sorry im on my phone atm, the one of topics the make argonath great again or some name along those lines, teddy did post he will be tackling the issue and trying to fix it, will edit later with quote of him when i get my hands on a pc.

Anyway the fact that Teddy retired from argo anyway.
Doe i dont see any post (if it was in forum) about it from his side about fixing.

Maybe he will help argo out the last time , hopefully. Even doe he pretty much re-edited his profile and lost his admin status

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: James on March 06, 2017, 03:57:22 pm

Quote from: Cofiliano on March 06, 2017, 03:54:30 pm

Gandalf has been informed already, and he's the one who asked Teddy to help out fix the issuse. Now he's waiting on Sauron for it.
You missed it, since the topic got deleted, Teddy is the one working on the fix atm.

@CVP12345
Wasn't me who wrote that tho, you mixed me up with someone else.

Teddy fixing the issue? are you serious? who said that?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Vitorrio on March 06, 2017, 03:58:02 pm

Quote from: Cofiliano on March 06, 2017, 03:54:30 pm

Gandalf has been informed already, and he's the one who asked Teddy to help out fix the issuse. Now he's waiting on Sauron for it.
You missed it, since the topic got deleted, Teddy is the one working on the fix atm.
@CVP12345
Wasn't me who wrote that tho, you mixed me up with someone else.

Sorry for the mix-up, Cofiliano. Anyway, I really hope that the servers will be up and running and we will just try to be nicer to each other.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Cofiliano on March 06, 2017, 03:58:21 pm

Quote from: James on March 06, 2017, 03:57:22 pm

Teddy fixing the issue? are you serious? who said that?

Yes, yes, Teddy on the deleted topic.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gr3ZxO_Gradiano. on March 06, 2017, 03:58:52 pm

Quote from: Cofiliano on March 06, 2017, 03:17:08 pm

Something else than what you do on your first account?

To have a cleared punishment history? :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mark on March 06, 2017, 04:00:42 pm

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 03:41:48 pm

Gif or not , stupid and immature asf

i love your irony

especially coming from a guy, as many others who posted here, that fail to recognize other servers as part of the community where they are just guests, i guess you still didn't get the concept of community, it's not only about SA:MP or IV:MP, or VC:MP and Minecraft (Rip). I'm not surprised though, this place is so entertaining when you guys show up trying to share a sort of futuristic and "illuminati" view of the world where everything has to be as you wish. I guess someone repeated the word "a world of its own" too much in the last hours :lol:

Don't get offended, it's just that you can't (or better, fail) argue back with people when your ideas are not accepted so you gotta make a drama out of it.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Cofiliano on March 06, 2017, 04:01:32 pm

Quote from: Gr3ZxO_Gradiano. on March 06, 2017, 03:58:52 pm

To have a cleared punishment history? :D

If that's the first thing to comes on your mind with a second account, okay.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Vitorrio on March 06, 2017, 04:03:35 pm

Quote from: Cofiliano on March 06, 2017, 03:58:21 pm

Yes, yes, Teddy on the deleted topic.

He means the deleted topic of the topic What do you think of Argonath at the moment? (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=119423.0) (this is the new 2.0 version)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 04:06:19 pm

Quote from: Markk on March 06, 2017, 04:00:42 pm

i love your irony

especially coming from a guy, as many others who posted here, that fail to recognize other servers as part of the community where they are just guests, i guess you still didn't get the concept of community, it's not only about SA:MP or IV:MP, or VC:MP and Minecraft (Rip). I'm not surprised though, this place is so entertaining when you guys show up trying to share a sort of futuristic and "illuminati" view of the world where everything has to be as you wish. I guess someone repeated the word "a world of its own" too much in the last hours :lol:

Don't get offended, it's just that you can't (or better, fail) argue back with people when your ideas are not accepted so you gotta make a drama out of it.

Never ever I had mentioned anything or wrote based on any illuminati sort of stuff.
Unless you want to put words in my mouth making me look like im some sort of illuminati flat earth conspiracist probably.
You must be obsessed with all those 12 yr old illuminati nonsense that you are bringing it up so many times.

That was a suggestion that only few people had enough brains to realise importance of.
Like right now we lost one important staff member it seems , what else?
He got begged to fix the issue last time , but will we have a fix later on? Maybe if we will have a replacement for retired Teddy boi.
And if we wont we will have to think something on ourselves.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mark on March 06, 2017, 04:22:43 pm

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 04:06:19 pm

Never ever I had mentioned anything or wrote based on any illuminati sort of stuff.
Unless you want to put words in my mouth making me look like im some sort of illuminati flat earth conspiracist probably.
You must be obsessed with all those 12 yr old illuminati nonsense that you are bringing it up so many times.

wake up, it's a low key provoke to people brainwashed like you.

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 04:06:19 pm

That was a suggestion that only few people had enough brains to realise importance of.

You were given a few arguments back but you ignored them for some random crap happened between you or ahmed and staff members, it's you not having enough grey matter to understand you went off topic in that exact moment.

Donating to get perks is not something necessary at moment, if you are really motivated in supporting an organization, a group or a community like this one you don't/shouldn't need something back. Your way is the perfect way to become a selfish idiot. It was said multiple times that this crap about "donating" to support argonath and get something back won't work because of obvious reasons stated by the owner vision (which alot of people seem to see as the holy bible). Let's be honest, if you're here to "support" just so that you can get something back, it's better to move on.

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 04:06:19 pm

Like right now we lost one important staff member it seems , what else?

who?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: .Matthew. on March 06, 2017, 04:27:52 pm

I already wrote in other topic that was locked that you will achieve nothing by posting anything in these topics. It'll all either get removed or locked. Change won't come just because you post all the issues, even if some of them are facts. Instead of wasting your times, play other games and let the management of this community lead it wherever they want and do. Nothing is gonna stop them or influence them. They know the best.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 04:31:23 pm

Quote from: Markk on March 06, 2017, 04:22:43 pm

wake up, it's a low key provoke to people brainwashed like you.

You were given a few arguments back but you ignored them for some random crap happened between you or ahmed and staff members, it's you not having enough grey matter to understand you went off topic in that exact moment.

Donating to get perks is not something necessary at moment, if you are really motivated in supporting an organization, a group or a community like this one you don't/shouldn't need something back. Your way is the perfect way to become a selfish idiot. It was said multiple times that this crap about "donating" to support argonath and get something back won't work because of obvious reasons stated by the owner vision (which alot of people seem to see as the holy bible). Let's be honest, if you're here to "support" just so that you can get something back, it's better to move on.

who?

Alright then why sh*t on my dialog with owners if you disagree.
I wanted to suggest something and you didnt like it.
The message aim isnt to get your approval or denyal, stop stop acting like it is.

This is simply what I had in mind and wrote about it.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Vitorrio on March 06, 2017, 04:33:08 pm

Quote from: .Matthew. on March 06, 2017, 04:27:52 pm

I already wrote in other topic that was locked that you will achieve nothing by posting anything in these topics. It'll all either get removed or locked. Change won't come just because you post all the issues, even if some of them are facts. Instead of wasting your times, play other games and let the management of this community lead it wherever they want and do. Nothing is gonna stop them or influence them. They know the best.

And I remember I told you that you deserved a medal. You still do! Actually, you deserve two medals.🥇🎖️

(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/24262943.jpg)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mark on March 06, 2017, 04:34:37 pm

Quote from: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 04:31:23 pm

Alright then why sh*t on my dialog with owners if you disagree.
I wanted to suggest something and you didnt like it.
The message aim isnt to get your approval or denyal, stop stop acting like it is.

This is simply what I had in mind and wrote about it.

People tried to explain you why the owner doesn't want it and incase you didn't notice, owners ain't replying since years. Probably you would have never got the answer, especially because it's an argument that was proposed in another server just last year. In that case they tried to make it more fair towards people who couldn't or didn't want to donate but Gandalf never approved it.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 04:35:00 pm

Quote from: Markk on March 06, 2017, 04:22:43 pm

wake up, it's a low key provoke to people brainwashed like you.

You were given a few arguments back but you ignored them for some random crap happened between you or ahmed and staff members, it's you not having enough grey matter to understand you went off topic in that exact moment.

Donating to get perks is not something necessary at moment, if you are really motivated in supporting an organization, a group or a community like this one you don't/shouldn't need something back. Your way is the perfect way to become a selfish idiot. It was said multiple times that this crap about "donating" to support argonath and get something back won't work because of obvious reasons stated by the owner vision (which alot of people seem to see as the holy bible). Let's be honest, if you're here to "support" just so that you can get something back, it's better to move on.

who?

Probably reason why I hadnt answered is because of the insane spam around this topic by multiple people on multiple topics at once.
Or the fact that you are speaking to your illuminati aliens again that you love to post on this topic over and over again.

Plus you probably still dont get.
Im not here to support either now , or after the proposed buy system.
Not a cent goes from my side either way.
But that was a proposal for someone who would like to donate , an X person , who changes his opinion just because its a no-benefit donation and the fact there's no Stores for people to buy anything even for example as irrelevant things as a for example star next to a nickname or some simple custom stuff or a custom job-less color(pre-defined colors by admins not to mix with job colors for certain amount of time)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ahmedXD on March 06, 2017, 04:37:04 pm

Quote from: Markk on March 06, 2017, 04:34:37 pm

Make paid server features like special bonuses when doing jobs, less weed growing time.
faster game rhl evading times etc.

Many will pay for premium servers, 1440eu wont be donated for nothing.

So I suggest in my case for IV:MP, few example:

1- Emergancy+ donator , earn 2x cash when doing fireman and medic mission. cost: 40eu
2- Dealership+ donator , earn 1.5x more profits upon sales. cost: 60eu
3- officer+ donator , earn 2x cash upon killing suspects or jailing them, cost: 40eu
[each higher number inherits previous features]
4- Drugsdealer+ donator+ 0.5x bonus , weed harvesting time is 0.5min, next weed growing time 2.5min . cost: 10eu
5- Smuggler+ donator,1.0x bonus no weed harvesting and growing times, cost 25eu
6- Gangster+ donator, 1.5x bonus 1kg free cannabis daily 24hours cooldown timer , cost 50eu
7- Criminal+ donator, 2x bonus ,no suspection for weed, harvesting and growing + free daily armor, cost 100eu.

This is the suggestion, dont ruin it and spam it again.
Use quotes on it, it got burried.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 04:37:57 pm

People tried to explain you why the owner doesn't want it and incase you didn't notice, owners ain't replying since years. Probably you would have never got the answer, especially because it's an argument that was proposed in another server just last year. In that case they tried to make it more fair towards people who couldn't or didn't want to donate but Gandalf never approved it.

So why even further trying to dump the idea? What if somehow Gandalf felt like "fck lets do it" and you're deciding over him , like if you even had any influence about approval or disapproval anyway? Its their business to approve this , and definitely none of your business altogether.
A person should have a right to put his suggestion , no matter if it was proposed one eternity ago.

This suggestion of his was supposed to be answered by a staff member who has a right over these things , not a bunch of jerks all over the place turning this topic into a literal shitposting hole.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mark on March 06, 2017, 04:42:14 pm

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 04:35:00 pm

Probably reason why I hadnt answered is because of the insane spam around this topic by multiple people on multiple topics at once.
Or the fact that you are speaking to your illuminati aliens again that you love to post on this topic over and over again.

Plus you probably still dont get.
Im not here to support either now , or after the proposed buy system.
Not a cent goes from my side either way.
But that was a proposal for someone who would like to donate , an X person , who changes his opinion just because its a no-benefit donation and the fact there's no Stores for people to buy anything even for example as irrelevant things as a for example star next to a nickname or some simple custom stuff or a custom job-less color(pre-defined colors by admins not to mix with job colors for certain amount of time)

Once again, people tried to explain why it wouldn't work, yet the same guy who suggested it got salty after some moderators replied and pointed out some facts that Gandalf himself also posted in past. Provoking them back started all this shit. Then you came out with your theories about how the server doesn't work without donations and how important is for people to get something in exchange of a donation.

Do i really have to sum up the topic for you? No. Go read your bullshits all over again.

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 04:37:57 pm

So why even further trying to dump the idea? What if somehow Gandalf felt like "fck lets do it" and you're deciding over him , like if you even had any influence about approval or disapproval anyway? Its their business to approve this , and definitely none of your business altogether.
A person should have a right to put his suggestion , no matter if it was proposed one eternity ago.

you guys pulled the trigger, it was entertaining to see you going nuts because someone didn't think it like you. Nobody is deciding, we pointed out facts and you got mad for other stuff, proving that you don't really deserve anything like this lol.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 04:46:24 pm

Quote from: Markk on March 06, 2017, 04:42:14 pm

Once again, people tried to explain why it wouldn't work, yet the same guy who suggested it got salty after some moderators replied and pointed out some facts that Gandalf himself also posted in past. Provoking them back started all this shit. Then you came out with your theories about how the server doesn't work without donations and how important is for people to get something in exchange of a donation.

Do i really have to sum up the topic for you? No. Go read your bullshits all over again.

you guys pulled the trigger, it was entertaining to see you going nuts because someone didn't think it like you. Nobody is deciding, we pointed out facts and you got mad for other stuff, proving that you don't really deserve anything like this lol.

Indeed reading this post of yours makes me wonder have you ever even understood what it was even spoken about. Looks like you've been dropped off the moon and talking exact opposite from reality.

P.S. the trolling on the topic is exactly what i meant about the immature community shitposting on every idea they are not even supposed to be posting , afterall its a "Dialog with the Owners" not some few idiots who are posting illuminatis and stupid gifs.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Stivi on March 06, 2017, 04:48:49 pm

wtf happened here...

want to buy argonath? be serious and $60k. - gandalf

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mark on March 06, 2017, 04:50:17 pm

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 04:46:24 pm

Indeed reading this post of yours makes me wonder have you ever even understood what it was even spoken about. Looks like you've been dropped off the moon and talking exact opposite from reality.

P.S. the trolling on the topic is exactly what i meant about the immature community shitposting on every idea they are not even supposed to be posting , afterall its a "Dialog with the Owners" not some few idiots who are posting illuminatis and stupid gifs.

you officially ran out of arguments

stop baiting m8 it's too late

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Vitorrio on March 06, 2017, 04:50:55 pm

Hi, Gandalf. Could you please hire the most trusted hero or player you think can handle an owner position and change his/her name to "Bilbo"? Thanks for reading.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 04:54:15 pm

Quote from: Markk on March 06, 2017, 04:50:17 pm

you officially ran out of arguments

stop baiting m8 it's too late

Not intending to bait , neither wanted to start a conversation with you at all , you're living in your own barbie world , making up shit yourself that you later pretend im doing.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mark on March 06, 2017, 04:55:42 pm

Quote from: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 04:54:15 pm

Not intending to bait , neither wanted to start a conversation with you at all , you're living in your own barbie world , making up shit yourself that you later pretend im doing.

u bull

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 04:59:24 pm

Quote from: Stivi on March 06, 2017, 04:48:49 pm

wtf happened here...

want to buy argonath? be serious and $60k. - gandalf

(http://www.slopemedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Patrick-Meme-I-Have-3-Dollars-04.jpg)
wouldnt give any more tbh

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Pete on March 06, 2017, 05:23:31 pm

Damn people......can you stop arguing in this discussion spamming here every 20 seconds go and have a private conversation I don't think this is the right to do so it's "Dialog with the Owners" (doe we see only random people talking about money/server dying and illuminati shit) Actually I hope this topic gets closed since you only argue here....Either wrong or right this isn't the place for it. Just wait and pray for the servers to come back on. :clock:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Ramis on March 06, 2017, 05:26:01 pm

Quote from: Petesforza on March 06, 2017, 05:23:31 pm

Damn people......can you stop arguing in this discussion spamming here every 20 seconds go and have a private conversation I don't think this is the right to do so it's "Dialog with the Owners" (doe we see only random people talking about money/server dying and illuminati shit) Actually I hope this topic gets closed since you only argue here....Either wrong or right this isn't the place for it. Just wait and pray for the servers to come back on. :clock:

You'll need to pray hard :janek:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: rajeev on November 30, 2017, 03:20:54 am

Why dont owner come online in-game?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Julio. on November 30, 2017, 09:19:09 am

Family commitments, work commitments, life commitments and so on. This place has been around so long now that it's inevitable that these things happen :gand:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Dutchy on December 02, 2017, 01:40:29 pm

Quote from: rajeev on November 30, 2017, 03:20:54 am

Why dont owner come online in-game?

Not a dev but since this question has been answered a billion times:
If owners come online, it's usually on an undercover account; be nice to everyone. :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Austin on July 07, 2020, 03:00:35 am

Oh the nostalgia

Title: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on October 31, 2020, 10:41:17 pm

Hello everyone...
I would like to start this topic again... Feel free to ask questions, not sure if I will answer on all...
Oh yeah and please if there any moaning about each other I will for sure ignore such questions...

If you are interested in questions to owners of Argonath be sure you are setting the full subject in post, cos I was absent for a looong time and simply can misunderstand your point )))

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Chase on October 31, 2020, 10:46:34 pm

Well, for starters, Aragorn - are you actually coming back from hiatus or is this just a temporary check-in?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: TheGreasyChopper on October 31, 2020, 10:47:06 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on October 31, 2020, 10:41:17 pm

Hello everyone...
I would like to start this topic again... Feel free to ask questions, not sure if I will answer on all...
Oh yeah and please if there any moaning about each other I will for sure ignore such questions...

If you are interested in questions to owners of Argonath be sure you are setting the full subject in post, cos I was absent for a looong time and simply can misunderstand your point )))

Hey RON, how's the kids? Miss the times you had issues with the Pampers :lol:

Hope to see you, them, RON and his kids in game soon!

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Tai on October 31, 2020, 11:02:59 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on October 31, 2020, 10:41:17 pm

Hello everyone...
I would like to start this topic again... Feel free to ask questions, not sure if I will answer on all...
Oh yeah and please if there any moaning about each other I will for sure ignore such questions...

If you are interested in questions to owners of Argonath be sure you are setting the full subject in post, cos I was absent for a looong time and simply can misunderstand your point )))

Welcome back and good luck. I am back for only 2 days now and already had a lot of discussions with Admins and Players complaining about the whole situation.
I at least got the feeling that the old spirit and vision behind this community, this legend about our owners we all knew about, got forgotten. Inactive or active... I am and will always be Argonathian... and coming for a visit and find the servers empty makes me really sad and concerned. :cry:

,share Love <3

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on October 31, 2020, 11:05:24 pm

Back from hiatus Chase )))
I remember our old days and how we were starting, fighting for our community... I think its unfair - what I see now...
As for Gandalf - expect him coming back... I will bring his magical ass back to life...
Who knows maybe he will turn from Gandalf the Grey into the White haha...

Right now we will discuss the GTA 5 possibilities... Will visit server incognito, not sure when, and will see what is the current condition and what to improve...
So leaders of community better be careful )))

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on October 31, 2020, 11:08:38 pm

Quote from: TheGreasyChopper on October 31, 2020, 10:47:06 pm

Hey RON, how's the kids? Miss the times you had issues with the Pampers :lol:
Hope to see you, them, RON and his kids in game soon!

Hey, yeah kids are growing they are now in the age of total deathmatch haha - shoot kill swear )))
But GTA they also like... Let them grow more and then they will arrive here as well as they have no problems to talk three languages minimum... )))

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on October 31, 2020, 11:13:37 pm

Quote from: Tai on October 31, 2020, 11:02:59 pm

Welcome back and good luck. I am back for only 2 days now and already had a lot of discussions with Admins and Players complaining about the whole situation.
I at least got the feeling that the old spirit and vision behind this community, this legend about our owners we all knew about, got forgotten. Inactive or active... I am and will always be Argonathian... and coming for a visit and find the servers empty makes me really sad and concerned. :cry:
,share Love <3

Hey Tai! I am actually very surprised to see veterans here... Thought that all left for good...
Argonath was not only server for playing - it was a part of life... It was not only fighting which mafia is better and what should do cops, it was also some problems on teens life, problems with parents or school, and we were discussing and helping... It was start for many skills guys have now - the same English, socializing, friendship...

It should not end like this...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Norrage on October 31, 2020, 11:14:24 pm

Lovely to see you back Aragorn. However with all due respect, I am not sure you are quite up to date with the state of your community and what it has been through.

Would love to see active leadership once again and seeing it turned around.

PS. If you do not remember me; Twenty ;).

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on October 31, 2020, 11:25:27 pm

Quote from: Norrage on October 31, 2020, 11:14:24 pm

Lovely to see you back Aragorn. However with all due respect, I am not sure you are quite up to date with the state of your community and what it has been through.
Would love to see active leadership once again and seeing it turned around.
PS. If you do not remember me; Twenty ;).

mmmm Twenty hello hello )))
I am not up to date of cos it will take time to understand whats going on and here I will be opened for all possible stories )))
Anyways old times passed, but who said we cannot build new one especially when partly it is done already...
There is problem with time but I think soon this question also will be fixed...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on October 31, 2020, 11:29:19 pm

I am leaving for now feel free to set questions or suggestions or just telling some information about Argonath and community...
It will be easier to update status )))

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: jNewtonik on October 31, 2020, 11:31:14 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on October 31, 2020, 11:05:24 pm

Back from hiatus Chase )))
I remember our old days and how we were starting, fighting for our community... I think its unfair - what I see now...

You already know what's wrong, help us!! :janek: :(

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Tai on October 31, 2020, 11:38:30 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on October 31, 2020, 11:13:37 pm

Quote from: Tai on October 31, 2020, 11:02:59 pm
Welcome back and good luck. I am back for only 2 days now and already had a lot of discussions with Admins and Players complaining about the whole situation.
I at least got the feeling that the old spirit and vision behind this community, this legend about our owners we all knew about, got forgotten. Inactive or active... I am and will always be Argonathian... and coming for a visit and find the servers empty makes me really sad and concerned. :cry:
,share Love <3

Hey Tai! I am actually very surprised to see veterans here... Thought that all left for good...
Argonath was not only server for playing - it was a part of life... It was not only fighting which mafia is better and what should do cops, it was also some problems on teens life, problems with parents or school, and we were discussing and helping... It was start for many skills guys have now - the same English, socializing, friendship...

It should not end like this...

I could not have said it better! It's a legacy that has to be kept.

And yes somehow destiny lead me just in time here. I checked every now and then tho. I think the last time 1 and a half year ago... IV:MP just seemed to have a beighter future infront... now i saw there is RAGE MP and I wanted to check it out and got right away sucked into and somehow I am stuck here now.
Too much memories and work. Sleepless nights... It feelt to be worth fighting for when ivmp almost was dead, as it does now.
I have had so much discussions today that I may be just emotional now... :lol: But I am ofc here if needed, this is the way I am... once Argonathian, always Argonathian. Others may feel so about their favorite soccer team :rofl:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Jcstodds on October 31, 2020, 11:50:21 pm

Hey Aragorn, it is awesome to see the old guard coming back.

Most of the community activity now happens on the discord servers (Argonath V:MP (https://discord.gg/ppyCUzXp7M) and Argonath RPG (https://discord.gg/VH4py6VuE2)). This is probably the biggest change I saw me and Haldir returned in April (and march 2019 briefly).

Hope we will see you on there?
I'm sure the Community is eager for you to catch up and discuss what is working and wRONg!

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Tai on October 31, 2020, 11:56:41 pm

Quote from: jcstodds on October 31, 2020, 11:50:21 pm

Hey Aragorn, it is awesome to see the old guard coming back.

Our iron prime minister :lol:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Hidduh on November 01, 2020, 12:48:15 am

It's great to hear from you again Aragorn, long time.. hope you've been well. Please stick around :D

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kowalski. on November 01, 2020, 03:26:21 am

Welcome back mate :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: KenAdams on November 01, 2020, 04:40:52 am

Hello There. Glad to have you back.
So, I'm a new member here and have been here since One and a Half months.

Even though the Server was not that populated, I just decided to stay. :)

Now I see people trashtalking and saying "Pull the Plug". And that sentence is what kills the server and demoralises the 10 players who like to log in generally daily. Anyways, this topic is not for that.

I'd say that we are in a bad condition now. So Help us if you can..

Regards..

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 07:14:47 am

Quote from: jcstodds on October 31, 2020, 11:50:21 pm

Hey Aragorn, it is awesome to see the old guard coming back.
Most of the community activity now happens on the discord servers (Argonath V:MP (https://discord.gg/ppyCUzXp7M) and Argonath RPG (https://discord.gg/VH4py6VuE2)). This is probably the biggest change I saw me and Haldir returned in April (and march 2019 briefly).
Hope we will see you on there?
I'm sure the Community is eager for you to catch up and discuss what is working and wRONg!

Hey my old friend, glad to see you guys are still here it will make things clear up easier even though knowing Aragorn's methods of handling the servers not sure what is better - that I arrived or better to keep it without iron prime minister )))
As for discord I hear about it the first time from you all, I will check it up, but for now I cannot sit long at my comp so forums for me are better - I can write message and then come-n-check...
Besides it I would like to here multiple opinions from everyone and thats better in a reading format then chatting - for me it is easier to remember every word of you... So with discord will take time for me to arrive - I am here right now...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 07:16:32 am

Quote from: Hidduh on November 01, 2020, 12:48:15 am

It's great to hear from you again Aragorn, long time.. hope you've been well. Please stick around :D

Oh yeah another badass cool guy ))) Hey mate )))

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 07:18:08 am

Quote from: Kowalski. on November 01, 2020, 03:26:21 am

Welcome back mate :)

Kowalski! Wow! I was asking Gandalf is that you or not he told me - it is probably another Kowalski ))) haha
Yeah those were good times trying to catch your smart ass ))) Thanks for welcome back

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kowalski. on November 01, 2020, 07:20:02 am

I'm occasionally mistaken as that Kowalski lol, you've got the wrong guy, I joined Argonath in 2016 :lol:

Again though, great seeing you back mate ;)

Quote from: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 07:14:47 am

Hey my old friend, glad to see you guys are still here it will make things clear up easier even though knowing Aragorn's methods of handling the servers not sure what is better - that I arrived or better to keep it without iron prime minister )))
As for discord I hear about it the first time from you all, I will check it up, but for now I cannot sit long at my comp so forums for me are better - I can write message and then come-n-check...
Besides it I would like to here multiple opinions from everyone and thats better in a reading format then chatting - for me it is easier to remember every word of you... So with discord will take time for me to arrive - I am here right now...

Discord is even easier in that it's live messaging a little like MSN or Skype, just better in that there are community servers as well as direct messaging. Be sure to get it, its even more versatile than chatting over the forums! :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 07:23:28 am

Quote from: KenAdams on November 01, 2020, 04:40:52 am

Hello There. Glad to have you back.
So, I'm a new member here and have been here since One and a Half months.
Even though the Server was not that populated, I just decided to stay. :)
Now I see people trashtalking and saying "Pull the Plug". And that sentence is what kills the server and demoralises the 10 players who like to log in generally daily. Anyways, this topic is not for that.
I'd say that we are in a bad condition now. So Help us if you can..
Regards..

Hey Ken welcome to Argonath...)))
oh yeah trash talking - that's inet ))) people are often trash talking on it )))
And no its ok - I am interested in everything about Argonath nowadays
If to settle things correct Argonath can be a very cool gaming portal with its own world and life )))
Hope we are still in a good condition to return the server which was famous in a past

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 07:26:58 am

Quote from: Kowalski. on November 01, 2020, 07:20:02 am

I'm occasionally mistaken as that Kowalski lol, you've got the wrong guy, I joined Argonath in 2016 :lol:
Again though, great seeing you back mate ;)
Discord is even easier in that it's live messaging a little like MSN or Skype, just better in that there are community servers as well as direct messaging. Be sure to get it, its even more versatile than chatting over the forums! :)

Well partly I moved away from Argonath cos I got tired of hundreds chats ))) Thats why I need my slow rising activity not an explosion of tons of messages ))) Otherwise I will run away again :lol:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kowalski. on November 01, 2020, 07:29:41 am

NO DON'T RUN AWAY AGAIN! :lol:

In all seriousness though, be sure to get Discord and swing by sometime, you'll actually find it pretty awesome especially when it comes to discussions! (Once you get fully reintegrated with the community again as you mentioned though :))

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: kawashty on November 01, 2020, 09:25:48 am

Hello there,
We are glad to see you after this absence, we as argonithians, veterans, regulars who heard alot about the history, and community members..

I want to address from what I see that we got problems in:
First: GTA IV/EFLC:
1-The server over years got rise and downs, till it's finally down again, there was a transition for the server, thanks to it's developer, who made us a new client for it, because the old T3 version was buggy dead project, currently the server is on the recent T4 version, recent project, and soon it will get shutdown because of the end of services of T4 project, after the developer got disappointed from it, due to lack of player base, due to lack of support from where, I have no idea, but the management was slow.
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Now the GTA IV/EFLC:MP in argonath, Don't have Leader for it, Don't have developer, as consequences, there were no players to join a dead server, there was a chance to get populated but the old thinking of other players when you open a topic about GTA IV/EFLC they start moaning about the old T3 version which was buggy and they didn't try to test it out either, misjudgment from my opinion.
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Server last plans before no leaders leave/disappointed/idle, was moving on to a new client, CitizenMP Client, which uses original codes of sync, where we can find the best sync there, what stops this?
-Leader for the server, to decide where it should go, follow what vision... Etc
- Developer to make this change to move on a new client.
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Moving on to GTA V, the story maybe connected
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Second: GTA V on RageMP, the second attempt by the same team:
After a fight/unreasonable/toxic behavior disappointing from others and expectations of too much from so little, that doesn't mean that the management was always right, or players were always right, the lack of communication between management and developer side and players who still have this old thinking without giving it sometime to develop, like a boiling an egg for one minute and expect it to not be raw and call it boiled egg.

GTA V grabbed alot of attention from whole community when it was announced in 2019, the basics of the server were taken from the GTA IV:MP server, but seems that people didn't like that and they didn't give time to see a change, everything was just moan/rush/where/expect too much from one, bad events happened, server activity dropped, developer got disappointed because he was attacked and no support from community members------------> First attempt I have attended*
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Moving on, after the IV team whom volunteered to assist in making a server in GTA V, one by one went inactive/left/ we were left in a lost hope, then out of sudden good news, new team raised and promised a server on FiveM client ( the client where back then in 2015 were supposed argo to be there according to what I heard from the veterans)(one of them was in development team and he still with us nowadays).... We got teasers and good progress as it's done from scratch.
Time passes almost a year nothing changed, only problems and they decided to leave us, for management problem reasons, due to access or contacts with owners, no clear answer yet, what I have seen people opinions and rage outs, rumors, hates shit talks, no positive response on those -------> 3rd time in argonath history we get promised for a gta v server ( from what I know 1st was in 2015, then 2nd in 2019 which I have attended, and third in the same year from the team who didn't have access to smth or contacts with owners)
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Then moving on...... The fourth time a gta v server should be raised
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We finally get stable server, with active development, activity for almost 3 months, new people joined, but still the rest of the community have that old thinking (oh it's just a port from IV server, which they have never tried it's new client features before or they forgot the old legacy as Tai says)
They thought still it's like IV so as result of this, no support from them anymore, only talks like this, no veterans around, only regulars exist, and from whom are veterans, are either active leading smth, or just popping from time to time or just doing other things.. RL matters .. etc
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Current status for GTA V on RageMP for who doesn't know, for who didn't try the latest updates, and more will come....
-the server yes is dead again, but this time we have active management, working on changing the things that people wanted from years, only community members support is not existing yet till now, if you ever open a talk with anyone about GTA IV/EFLC Or V server, they will open that old thoughts and tell you it's the same, while you can do the change by leading by an example, isn't it right?
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That was my brief about what status I feel and I see now towards argonath, specifically to IV Community side and V Community Side

Gta V server is running on RageMP client, waiting you to introduce your gameplay which if you tried to lead and show by example would do a change, ofc rules in mind.
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Kind regards, with no hate to anyone, all respect to them

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: jNewtonik on November 01, 2020, 09:47:37 am

GTA:IV server is still resurrectable, I won't point on what went wrong and from whom but surely things went wrong.
Let's just recognize we have a problem and let's try to find a solution for it, that's all I ask for!

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Stefos on November 01, 2020, 10:01:24 am

Welcome back! Glad to have you.

You should get the kids and hop on minecraft (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=129385.0). :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Omri on November 01, 2020, 10:20:27 am

Quote from: Aragorn on October 31, 2020, 11:08:38 pm

Hey, yeah kids are growing they are now in the age of total deathmatch haha - shoot kill swear )))
But GTA they also like... Let them grow more and then they will arrive here as well as they have no problems to talk three languages minimum... )))

Aye', welcome back old man. What has it been, 10 years ago since we chatted?
How old are the kids?

My kid is in the phase he just want's to wreck everything up :war:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: WDoyle on November 01, 2020, 10:21:42 am

Good morning Aragorn, I had reached out via Direct Message but I imagine your return has resulted in your inbox being full again.

Within the last few weeks myself, Brian, Kessu and Senate have been appointed Community Leaders to support Carbon with the Argonath vision across all our servers.

We would recommend joining Discord as it’s a fundamental part of our community and provides an easy way to communicate across different platforms. Some of our servers have their own discord community including GTA V and Minecraft.

When it comes to GTA 5, we are currently understanding the requirements of the community, their vision for rules and what they’d like to see. This is being drafted by [TLC]Mac, Jcstodds, Bert, Legolas (Agent) and myself.

Once we have a v1 (which is very soon) these will be released to the community for approval and comments and then looking at launching them very soon.

As you are aware there has been toxicity over the years and we need to reinvent our rules to support our players and their RP whilst limiting bad actors.

Once the rules have been updated we will work on next steps of server development and future plans with Rage.

Happy to discuss in more detail privately but we are doing everything to get this community back up and running.

It is great to know you are back but we need to be confirmed you are back full time and not just for a flying visit. Our community need leaders and owners who are active and can commit to the community and support them.

I look forward to chatting and working with you once again!

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 11:47:13 am

Quote from: kawashty on November 01, 2020, 09:25:48 am

I want to address from what I see that we got problems in...

That was what I actually needed to see the full (or not) picture, thank you...

As I understood, SA:MP is totally dead and forgotten, IV-MP is dead due to fight inside the team and V:MP is the one which is actually a bit active...
If it is like that then probably we will start exactly from V MP (yeah It means activity online as well)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 11:50:23 am

Quote from: Haldir on November 01, 2020, 10:21:42 am

It is great to know you are back but we need to be confirmed you are back full time and not just for a flying visit. Our community need leaders and owners who are active and can commit to the community and support them.

Yes you can confirm... Gandalf will appear today as well if he will get his email password lol...
Anyways our kickass magician will be back or I am not an Aragorn who can motivate people )))

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kowalski. on November 01, 2020, 11:57:08 am

Quote from: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 11:47:13 am

Quote from: kawashty on November 01, 2020, 09:25:48 am
I want to address from what I see that we got problems in...

That was what I actually needed to see the full (or not) picture, thank you...

As I understood, SA:MP is totally dead and forgotten, IV-MP is dead due to fight inside the team and V:MP is the one which is actually a bit active...
If it is like that then probably we will start exactly from V MP (yeah It means activity online as well)

VC:MP is even more active some days, be sure to remember us too! :)

I hope to see you in-game soon ;)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 12:02:15 pm

Quote from: Kowalski. on November 01, 2020, 11:57:08 am

VC:MP is even more active some days, be sure to remember us too! :)
I hope to see you in-game soon ;)

Are you kidding me lol ))))))))))))

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kowalski. on November 01, 2020, 12:02:51 pm

I'm really not! Come and see for yourself, some days we're alive as hell :lol:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kessu on November 01, 2020, 12:06:52 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 12:02:15 pm

Quote from: Kowalski. on November 01, 2020, 11:57:08 am
VC:MP is even more active some days, be sure to remember us too! :)
I hope to see you in-game soon ;)

Are you kidding me lol ))))))))))))

Hi. Same leadership in there when you left with exception of me being added :rolleyes:

Still doing good and we actually do not have the same level of toxicity as the rest of the community.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gandalf on November 01, 2020, 12:33:02 pm

Aragorn managed to get me away from playing with my Balrogs. As it seems we are needed back, so we will start putting some time and effort in.
It has been a long time, which means we will need to look in to all things we can help improving.
But as it is good to see so many old names, it is worth the effort.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Chase on November 01, 2020, 12:41:27 pm

Were you guys involved in making Trump president like the American media has portrayed? Asking for a friend. Totally not an American spy.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 12:43:51 pm

Quote from: Chase on November 01, 2020, 12:41:27 pm

Were you guys involved in making Trump president like the American media has portrayed? Asking for a friend. Totally not an American spy.

Yeah and now we are back on Argonath )))

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 12:45:41 pm

Quote from: Omri on November 01, 2020, 10:20:27 am

My kid is in the phase he just want's to wreck everything up :war:

Oh... Then he is for sure YOUR son )))))))))

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 12:47:39 pm

Quote from: Gandalf on November 01, 2020, 12:33:02 pm

Aragorn managed to get me away from playing with my Balrogs. As it seems we are needed back, so we will start putting some time and effort in.
It has been a long time, which means we will need to look in to all things we can help improving.
But as it is good to see so many old names, it is worth the effort.

Do not remove far away your smoking pipe...))) Here is the situation that can not be solved without Vodka or weed ))))

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gregersen on November 01, 2020, 12:57:58 pm

Quote from: Gandalf on November 01, 2020, 12:33:02 pm

Aragorn managed to get me away from playing with my Balrogs. As it seems we are needed back, so we will start putting some time and effort in.
It has been a long time, which means we will need to look in to all things we can help improving.
But as it is good to see so many old names, it is worth the effort.

Welcome back - glad to see you all.
Remember to jump in the discords for all servers

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 12:59:29 pm

Guys Forums will be reset to increase its power...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gandalf on November 01, 2020, 01:06:54 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 12:59:29 pm

Guys Forums will be reset to increase its power...

Done. Sauron added some RAM and CPU power to the web-VM, should make things faster and more stable.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gregersen on November 01, 2020, 01:07:43 pm

Already seems alot faster.

Are you guys back for good?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Brian on November 01, 2020, 01:08:42 pm

Quote from: Gandalf on November 01, 2020, 01:06:54 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 12:59:29 pm
Guys Forums will be reset to increase its power...
Done. Sauron added some RAM and CPU power to the web-VM, should make things faster and more stable.

This is good news thank you, hope you have all been well its good to see the three of you around on the forums again.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gregersen on November 01, 2020, 01:10:29 pm

Discord links:

Argonath RPG Main discord:
https://discord.gg/eQQENnKUwD

Argonath Minecraft:
https://discord.gg/waBHngy

Argonath VMP:
https://discord.gg/vKtqU9mFwv

Argonath LSPD:
https://discord.gg/f4fXvJb4Y8

I belive theres also for the other servers, I just do not have them on my list. Also I cant invite to the ARFD one.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Chase on November 01, 2020, 01:11:04 pm

Quote from: Gandalf on November 01, 2020, 01:06:54 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 12:59:29 pm
Guys Forums will be reset to increase its power...
Done. Sauron added some RAM and CPU power to the web-VM, should make things faster and more stable.

Nice. Now we just need HTTPS and some sort of anti spambot script. Maybe utilize some IP blacklist databases?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kowalski. on November 01, 2020, 01:11:46 pm

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=128276.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=128276.0)

This directory will link you to all the main community discords :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gregersen on November 01, 2020, 01:13:55 pm

Quote from: Kowalski. on November 01, 2020, 01:11:46 pm

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=128276.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=128276.0)

This directory will link you to all the main community discords :)

There it was - thanks <3

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kowalski. on November 01, 2020, 01:14:30 pm

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 01:37:26 pm

Quote from: Gandalf on November 01, 2020, 01:06:54 pm

Done. Sauron added some RAM and CPU power to the web-VM, should make things faster and more stable.

Need to talk all three together I wanna know the story with IV mp

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 01:38:53 pm

Quote from: Gregersen on November 01, 2020, 01:07:43 pm

Are you guys back for good?

Yeah...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 01:40:25 pm

Quote from: Chase on November 01, 2020, 01:11:04 pm

Nice. Now we just need HTTPS and some sort of anti spambot script. Maybe utilize some IP blacklist databases?

we will start work on the whole Argonath web system

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gregersen on November 01, 2020, 01:46:16 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 01:38:53 pm

Quote from: Gregersen on November 01, 2020, 01:07:43 pm
Are you guys back for good?

Yeah...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kessu on November 01, 2020, 01:49:32 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 01:37:26 pm

Quote from: Gandalf on November 01, 2020, 01:06:54 pm
Done. Sauron added some RAM and CPU power to the web-VM, should make things faster and more stable.

Need to talk all three together I wanna know the story with IV mp

Just gonna drop it here - For the most accurate information possible you guys should be contacting the CLs and DLs for information.

There is a discord server for us that is not open to public in any way and there are forum boards to do it in as well if Discord is not something you guys wish to use.

Not to mention that we, the CLs, would like to have a proper discussion with you guys before actions start being taken left and right without us knowing anything about them, because people will ask what's going on from the people they have seen around and expect to know what's going on.

Thanks.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Klaus on November 01, 2020, 02:11:18 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 12:02:15 pm

Quote from: Kowalski. on November 01, 2020, 11:57:08 am
VC:MP is even more active some days, be sure to remember us too! :)
I hope to see you in-game soon ;)

Are you kidding me lol ))))))))))))

Still here
(https://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/James-Franco-Wink-Gif-In-Spider-Man.gif)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kowalski. on November 01, 2020, 02:13:49 pm

:lol:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 02:50:29 pm

Quote from: Kessu on November 01, 2020, 01:49:32 pm

Not to mention that we, the CLs, would like to have a proper discussion with you guys before actions start being taken left and right without us knowing anything about them, because people will ask what's going on from the people they have seen around and expect to know what's going on.
Thanks.

We will have a conference but right now we will check the condition of the community, servers, webs, scripts and organization of the process...
Also we'll check the condition of Rock Stars clan members to see if they are able to start/continue active support of the project Argonath...
For sure we will appear on V mp and discord to check things on our own by own eyes...
We also need the opinion of players of community as veterans so new players...
And after that, seeing the situation and checking out the possibilities of V mp confirming what we can do or create there we will arrive to start discussion with the developers team...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: WDoyle on November 01, 2020, 02:56:25 pm

Unfortunately just logging in to forums and checking the VMs won’t be sufficient. As community leaders we have processes and discussions not visible here.

Therefore it would be worth having this conference sooner rather than later so you can be aware of the full extent of each server and the full community.

Sauron and Gandalf are already part of the discord, and we can send an invite for the HQ discord. We can then debrief you on all areas and any other further questions you might have.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gregersen on November 01, 2020, 03:00:27 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 02:50:29 pm

For sure we will appear on V mp and discord to check things on our own by own eyes...

Bruh', you guys gotta come have fun on Minecraft too :P

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 03:05:00 pm

Discussions on discord are not saved... If there are important discussions we need to record it so that we can look and read it anytime...
Secondly we appreciate all your work guys so do not think we will come and brake down all your work, but we would like to have our own opinion on the condition of Argonath in general.
As founders we know good what we wanted from it...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Chase on November 01, 2020, 03:07:24 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 03:05:00 pm

Discussions on discord are not saved... If there are important discussions we need to record it so that we can look and read it anytime...

But they are? I can look at messages I've sent over 3 years ago.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 03:14:45 pm

Quote from: Chase on November 01, 2020, 03:07:24 pm

But they are? I can look at messages I've sent over 3 years ago.

Сan you see the whole conversation?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Bennzy on November 01, 2020, 03:22:06 pm

Welcome back, both.

Kindly don't forget SAMP because maybe without it argonath would have not stayed for longer ;)

And It can be revived with right decisions being taken, we have seen that in last a few years.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Brian on November 01, 2020, 03:22:31 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 03:14:45 pm

Quote from: Chase on November 01, 2020, 03:07:24 pm
But they are? I can look at messages I've sent over 3 years ago.

Сan you see the whole conversation?

You can see Discord as a modern version of Skype, you can have normal text conversations that are saved (DMs, group chats and servers) unless the message was deleted by the author(or in servers, a staff member, but theres an audit log for those). You can also have video and voice calls/ video and voice group chats if those are to your liking. Its also supported on almost all platforms as well as in web browsers, so if you don't want to you dont even have to download any software to use it.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Chase on November 01, 2020, 03:23:09 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 03:14:45 pm

Quote from: Chase on November 01, 2020, 03:07:24 pm
But they are? I can look at messages I've sent over 3 years ago.

Сan you see the whole conversation?

Of course! You can even search for keywords from different convos and servers.

Here's a snippet of a convo from a year ago between me and a friend talking nerdy stuff.
(https://i.imgur.com/QKYRHMn.png)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 03:27:55 pm

Chase it is good for chatting but not the discussions to sit and read one phrase of 5 words is not exactly what I would like... Its first...
Second, if you want really rise Argonath and have a proper discussion not just blah blah hey-bye - better rise the Forum traffic as normal talking with the description of all problems one by one...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Khm on November 01, 2020, 03:32:44 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 03:27:55 pm

Chase it is good for chatting but not the discussions to sit and read one phrase of 5 words is not exactly what I would like... Its first...
Second, if you want really rise Argonath and have a proper discussion not just blah blah hey-bye - better rise the Forum traffic as normal talking with the description of all problems one by one...

The HQ boards on forum are still there aswell and rather we argue about going on discord or here, I'd suggest starting to discuss things right now on forums.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Chase on November 01, 2020, 03:34:23 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 03:27:55 pm

Chase it is good for chatting but not the discussions to sit and read one phrase of 5 words is not exactly what I would like... Its first...
Second, if you want really rise Argonath and have a proper discussion not just blah blah hey-bye - better rise the Forum traffic as normal talking with the description of all problems one by one...

I see. Maybe if we improve the forum somehow, it would attract more people. It's great that Sauron added more power to the server, but I feel like the forum could still use a major functional and visually appealing overhaul.

I personally would like to see the forum converted to a more premium software like IPB or Xenforo, but really anything would be better than nothing.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 03:40:46 pm

Quote from: Khm on November 01, 2020, 03:32:44 pm

The HQ boards on forum are still there aswell and rather we argue about going on discord or here, I'd suggest starting to discuss things right now on forums.

I already said we will start discussions as soon as we will get know the conditions... Do not expect from us discussing things which we have no idea even about and sit and listen to what I should hear I also will not fall into...
Besides it I want to know opinion not only developers but a normal players that is fair I suppose... Any problems with that?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Chase on November 01, 2020, 03:58:19 pm

There's really not that many active players anymore. I lurk the forums but I don't play SAMP anymore because its a ghost town. I don't play the VMP server because I just don't find it fun, and it's also a ghost town.

But I will say I believe Argonath has the ability to earn lost players back, and many new players if enough effort and proper leadership is put in. How that is done is entirely up to you guys, but I would suggest that you make this effort count because I don't think many people will be willing to give it yet another chance if it fails.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: AK47 on November 01, 2020, 04:01:18 pm

Come join us in Minecraft :strong:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Conor_Bradford on November 01, 2020, 05:05:35 pm

Long time no see, Glad you are back!

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Joey on November 01, 2020, 08:04:30 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 01:37:26 pm

Need to talk all three together I wanna know the story with IV mp

Its just me and Brian left in the IVMP HQ.
Link for IVMP discord:
https://discord.gg/rZyjnUcR

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 01, 2020, 08:19:16 pm

Quote from: Joey on November 01, 2020, 08:04:30 pm

Its just me and Brian left in the IVMP HQ.
Link for IVMP discord:
https://discord.gg/rZyjnUcR

Thanks )))

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Hevar. on November 01, 2020, 09:20:46 pm

Welcome back!

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Huntsman on November 02, 2020, 01:56:26 pm

Hello there, Aragorn,

Long time no see.

I'd like to ask if you are going to do anything about the current issue of activity and a near-fatal playerbase decrease in the community. At first, only SA-MP was affected by this, but I see that pretty much all of the servers are now seeing the same fate. Is anything going to be done about this? If so, how do you plan to revive the community?

In my personal overview, VC-MP is the best doing server out of all of them, with stable and consistent playerbase with an occasional influx of new players. It even has weekends with 30-40 players online on some occasions. I believe this is partly due to the competent leadership there which shielded the VC-MP community from the toxic attitude that was rampant in other parts of the community.

I'm hesitant to speak of SA-MP, as I haven't been there for a while, but from what I gathered and heard, they've been forced to move the playerbase to Fort Carson and surroundings due to the drastically decreased playerbase. It has a few remaining loyal to the bone players left, but it's not what it used to be at all.

Rage:MP saw tremendous success when it opened, with old players, veterans, and regulars joining it alike. However, it somehow became less and less active too.

And last of all, it's glad to see that at least one of the owners is finally back. To be frank, I believe that this neglect contributed a lot to what is going on now.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 02, 2020, 03:00:24 pm

Quote from: Huntsman on November 02, 2020, 01:56:26 pm

Hello there, Aragorn,

Hey Huntsman... Thanks for welcoming back... And for the short description of the situation with servers... Me and Gandalf are back and we already have a vision on what is going on and with issue of each server...
I can tell you honestly, I will start work with GTA 5 MP because the good trend should be close to the new things and we have no possibility to spend all our time for all servers, so better we will concentrate on the newest server... We had a meeting with leader and scripter developer of RageMP and seems like things are not that bad from the technical part but I will soon arrive on server to check out its running options...
As for lack of players - things will be changed I am sure...
We have our vision, actually the original Argonath vision which already showed in past that is acceptable by many players so its working...

Besides it we will start to remind the veterans what is that vision about as I suppose that some of them forgot about it...

If server is facing the good opportunities for scripting expect in future nice rising up...
)))

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: TheGreasyChopper on November 02, 2020, 05:28:39 pm

Quote from: Huntsman on November 02, 2020, 01:56:26 pm

I'm hesitant to speak of SA-MP, as I haven't been there for a while, but from what I gathered and heard, they've been forced to move the playerbase to Fort Carson and surroundings due to the drastically decreased playerbase. It has a few remaining loyal to the bone players left, but it's not what it used to be at all.

wRONg! In no way do I wish to cause discourse or confusion, but I'd like to clarify that no players were ever forced to move to Fort Carson. It was and still is entirely a player-lead project, which keeps those of us who are still interested in touch and a way for us to organize In Game. Whatever playerbase may be in VC:MP, the map itself is small enough to sustain a playable experience with 10-15 people online. Now transfer these 15 players online in the San Andreas map, without blips, with most of the players doing their own thing on their own...Toning down to a smaller town and focusing on a part of the map is actually a proper way to organize people to play together(which in the end is the point of multiplayer). No script changes were introduced to limit people from leaving.

Quote from: Aragorn on November 02, 2020, 03:00:24 pm

Besides it we will start to remind the veterans what is that vision about as I suppose that some of them forgot about it...

If server is facing the good opportunities for scripting expect in future nice rising up...
)))

Thank you! Reminding people about the Vision and enforcing it once again will surely make Argonath a better community and help us (re)gain the playerbase with returning and new players.(SA:MPwise).

I do have a question - if certain server based rules and attitudes of certain administrators contradict the vision, will action be taken from your end?

Cheers!

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kowalski. on November 02, 2020, 10:48:00 pm

I think the Argonath Vision is a subject of debate - it's usually not regarded much in terms of roleplay.

To explain what I mean, I'll use an excerpt from the Argo Vision:

"Our community was created as free RP, based on imagination and creativity."

Sounds great, of course. However, this arises some question to the current desire of the Argonath community. If you observe the V:MP discord and the discussion that is happening there, you may notice a desire for harder roleplay rules and making the server into a more "hardcore" roleplay environment.

Why, you might ask?

Excerpt 2:

"We will not ever support it changing in to a jungle of rules that are impossible to understand, follow and adhere to. Our rules will remain the minimal needed to stop players who wish to disturb the fun in playing from doing so, not more and not less."

Based on this, speeding off in a supercar from a bank robbery and escaping via a main freeway just because the cops couldn't keep up has pissed off a lot of players, notably those on the law enforcement side. Yet this was acceptable prior to our discussion about hardening the roleplay rules.

I've nothing personal against the vision, and it's up to you guys in the end as the owners of this community - which is absolutely more than fair, but it's just been a major topic of discussion that I thought I'd drop here.

And yes @TheGreasyChopper I side with you on enforcing the core values and ideals of the community but a little discussion never hurts :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 06:24:13 am

Quote from: TheGreasyChopper on November 02, 2020, 05:28:39 pm

I do have a question - if certain server based rules and attitudes of certain administrators contradict the vision, will action be taken from your end?

You are talking to Aragorn and that is what I was famous for - taking actions without looking at statuses...
But there is other question - what kind of actions?
Do not expect me just arriving and banning from admins or players those who are making problems to Argonath vision... First they will have a reminder and explanations... If they do not agree with that - yeah why should they moderate server on their own vision, right?
We have Gandalf, we have Aragorn... Everyone can chose which way they will go - soft or revision their own opinion or a brutal war... However war with me will just mean their end on this server... But I hope guys are enough already grown up to understand that the way we ran servers in a past - the best way for fun...
The same goes about rules... From what I saw in a small amount of time - again old vinyl - lets make rule on every fart - that is not an Argonath vision for sure...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 06:47:29 am

Quote from: Kowalski. on November 02, 2020, 10:48:00 pm

I think the Argonath Vision is a subject of debate

No, it is not... Argonath vision itself will not be under discussion and that is what all veterans should understand here... There enough who are "Yes" and who are "No", finding the balanced server for both sides - wasting of time, it means either you agree with our policy or not... If not - it will lead to revolutions, demands, bullshit towards admins and developers... That will lead straight to owners taking actions... Tons of bullcrap all over the forums... we already passed that shit and know how it ends up...
So no... No any debates - is Argonath Vision correct or not... If someone does not like it - there are other servers where they can have their own fun...

Other thing about scripts... Of cos they will exist and yesterday visit the VMP server already showed that this server has tons possibilities for a huge cool script system just needs to put all puzzles together so that all will work in one system instead of separated small missions... We are not strict RP server, so we also would like give possibilities to "warriors" ))) But all will be without denying the main rules...

for example: What is the gang or mafia without decent scripted gang war, right? Or mafia "roofing" businesses... why not? Just needs to find solution for some crazy shootouts which are not disturbing the other regulars doing their Roleplay...
All such things can be settled in a correct way... Just needs time...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kowalski. on November 03, 2020, 07:14:23 am

I'm not saying that the Vision in that of itself should be disregarded, but the current discussions about a "hardcore" server are in contradiction to what you've said about Argonath not being a strict roleplay server.

The only parts I see as debatable are the roleplay rules with the current discussions happening on the V:MP Discord, which is also backed by Haldir as he mentioned earlier.

Quote from: Haldir

When it comes to GTA 5, we are currently understanding the requirements of the community, their vision for rules and what they’d like to see. This is being drafted by [TLC]Mac, Jcstodds, Bert, Legolas (Agent) and myself.

This includes hardcore elements being incorporated into the server, which is in contradiction to what you've said.

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 06:47:29 am

We are not strict RP server

As for the Argonath Vision in that of itself, I've no issues with it by any means, it's there to ensure a positive atmosphere. :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kowalski. on November 03, 2020, 08:24:33 am

Quote from: jNewtonik on November 03, 2020, 08:08:19 am

Freedom of enjoyment is what everyone should experience in their first touch with Argonath, It is what it should be sustained in time and some standards need to be adapted from the past. Surely time is needed to regain what we lost. I would like to see some reminders of what the Argonath vision was about, so the newest members of our community and the veterans can get the full idea of what we want to achieve.

Couldn't have said it better myself mate ;)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Chase on November 03, 2020, 10:13:24 am

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 06:47:29 am

Quote from: Kowalski. on November 02, 2020, 10:48:00 pm
I think the Argonath Vision is a subject of debate

No, it is not... Argonath vision itself will not be under discussion and that is what all veterans should understand here... There enough who are "Yes" and who are "No", finding the balanced server for both sides - wasting of time, it means either you agree with our policy or not... If not - it will lead to revolutions, demands, bullshit towards admins and developers... That will lead straight to owners taking actions... Tons of bullcrap all over the forums... we already passed that shit and know how it ends up...
So no... No any debates - is Argonath Vision correct or not... If someone does not like it - there are other servers where they can have their own fun...

While I can't speak on behalf of the developers, managers, division leaders, and community leaders, I certainly do not think they would appreciate you guys coming back after all these years and reverting their efforts to keep the community alive while you, Gandalf, and Sauron were gone. A lot of work has been put in to the rules and the scripts of all servers by many dedicated people, some of which have even put forth their own real money to improve things.

All I ask of you is to please be careful and considerate when changing or reverting anything, and don't go all scorched earth.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 10:51:43 am

Quote from: Kowalski. on November 03, 2020, 07:14:23 am

I'm not saying that the Vision in that of itself should be disregarded, but the current discussions about a "hardcore" server are in contradiction to what you've said about Argonath not being a strict roleplay server...

...As for the Argonath Vision in that of itself, I've no issues with it by any means, it's there to ensure a positive atmosphere. :)

To make it clear - the only discussions we will accept - its a gameplay/ideas possible script exploits and etc...
If there is a problem with rules and its running - it can be under discussion but in the way of (look = script exploits) and possible fixing it...
Those who want tons of script commands - we will check every on exploits as well and its positive affect on OUR game vision... I find it fair enough - if owner knows what he wants he can normal develop it, if owner will run after every opinion which is different for every player - will be a mess in community and on server...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 10:55:34 am

Quote from: jNewtonik on November 03, 2020, 08:08:19 am

Freedom of enjoyment is what everyone should experience in their first touch with Argonath, It is what it should be sustained in time and some standards need to be adapted from the past. Surely time is needed to regain what we lost. I would like to see some reminders of what the Argonath vision was about, so the newest members of our community and the veterans can get the full idea of what we want to achieve.

If new player will arrive on server and face at once with all restrictions which some players suggest - you will never have a success with server... Besides it we are standing for "more freedom - more fun" but the same time we are not denying the usage if scripts and are ready with the vision of a big organized script system for server

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Chase on November 03, 2020, 11:09:24 am

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 10:51:43 am

Quote from: Kowalski. on November 03, 2020, 07:14:23 am
I'm not saying that the Vision in that of itself should be disregarded, but the current discussions about a "hardcore" server are in contradiction to what you've said about Argonath not being a strict roleplay server...

...As for the Argonath Vision in that of itself, I've no issues with it by any means, it's there to ensure a positive atmosphere. :)

To make it clear - the only discussions we will accept - its a gameplay/ideas possible script exploits and etc...
If there is a problem with rules and its running - it can be under discussion but in the way of (look = script exploits) and possible fixing it...
Those who want tons of script commands - we will check every on exploits as well and its positive affect on OUR game vision... I find it fair enough - if owner knows what he wants he can normal develop it, if owner will run after every opinion which is different for every player - will be a mess in community and on server...

I think this sums up what everyone was wondering about with you guys' return.. for better or for worse.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 11:11:27 am

Quote from: Chase on November 03, 2020, 10:13:24 am

While I can't speak on behalf of the developers, managers, division leaders, and community leaders, I certainly do not think they would appreciate you guys coming back after all these years and reverting their efforts to keep the community alive while you, Gandalf, and Sauron were gone. A lot of work has been put in to the rules and the scripts of all servers by many dedicated people, some of which have even put forth their own real money to improve things.
All I ask of you is to please be careful and considerate when changing or reverting anything, and don't go all scorched earth.

We appreciate all work which was done by admins and developers - and it is not under discussions even if they would have some arguments between each other - thats a work... I am personally proud of all work they did to keep Argonath alive... And I am really happy to see veterans who are chilling around...

Right now there will start a big work with organizing the whole system and community so that all parts of its developing CAN run...
We had a conversations with servers developers/ reading their conversations to get know more closer to things that are around...
Do not expect from me after coming back running around and banning admins and developers - that is just silly...
But...

You want the work organization? You want a good organized admins and developers teaming? You want there be the last stand of all arguing? You want here be people who are in charge about all Argonath? You want the old Argonath times popularity? You will get it...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 11:41:48 am

Listen guys we were just talking with Gandalf and decided to implement one thing which we are used sometimes to happen...
Those who are not agree with our RP style and want more strict roleplay or more additional rules, different admins work different vision on how to run server...

We will just give you another Argonath server where you can create on your own and prove to us that you were right...
Simple, effective, does not need a lot of discussions...)))

You think you can do better - show it... Yeah?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mac Taylor on November 03, 2020, 11:42:55 am

Hello, welcome back to you all.

I am going to be honest, I hope you do not mind my honesty and I expect you guys to think of it and give it more time of thoughts.

I will mainly speak of the VMP server, I am part of its administration team and I have been playing it since it's the first day, spending almost 12 hours daily on the server alone or with other players. As you have heard, VMP was going very well at the beginning with peak players 40 players. However, recently, it barely goes to 5. We as A-Team had discussions with the community in VMP discord, if you wish to see all of those discussions feel free to join and see the input of the community yourself.

The main discussion was about the type of the server and rules, is our server a free-roam server or is it an actual Roleplay server? ALL, yes ALL, with no exclusions of the players who engaged us with those discussions have agreed and suggested to take a major step in clarifying the server's type and put basic and proper RP rules. This is a community demand, we as A-team, started to work on this, we made drafts, plans, had discussions, and much more to balance between proper RP environment and the current Argonath general vision.

Why do we need to change the server vision -RP rules?

- The current generation of players isn't the same as it was back then around 2009-2013, there is a big difference. GTA V is the modern GTA, whoever will go join a free-roam/light RP server when he has the GTA Online (I think you aren't aware of what GTA online is, but it's the stock multiplayer made by Rockstars with enormous of updates, scripts, features, missions, huge player base...etc That's where you can have fun with free-roam.)

- We had a lot of arguments, the toxic attitudes between players and groups....why? Because every one of them didn't know the meaning of the RP properly. Unfortunately the idea of "Leading by example" is not working with those players who have egos to sit and listen to the good advice from another one.

- All major and successful communities are more complex than what we are, we are in 2020, not 2009. Worth to note, the whole community didn't wish to make it really complex, they just asked for the basic RP environment. The middle level between free-roaming and complex rules.

- I would like to ask you to take a look at the RageMP master list, see other communities' player base, and look at the difference.

- Those few players left in the community are the ones that have been trying to survive with this community when you guys were away for a long time. It's not appropriate to come after this time and disappoint them by refusing their ideas about the vision. At least try to start a discussion with the community and maybe you may get convinced why we need a change.

In V, the players suggested having a basic change in the RP environment, a good environment that allows actual RPers to enjoy and allows everyone to enjoy away from nonsense RP scenarios.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 11:45:49 am

Quote from: Mac Taylor on November 03, 2020, 11:42:55 am

Why do we need to change the server vision -RP rules?

Read my previous post...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mac Taylor on November 03, 2020, 11:49:36 am

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 11:41:48 am

Listen guys we were just talking with Gandalf and decided to implement one thing which we are used sometimes to happen...
Those who are not agree with our RP style and want more strict roleplay or more additional rules, different admins work different vision on how to run server...

We will just give you another Argonath server where you can create on your own and prove to us that you were right...
Simple, effective, does not need a lot of discussions...)))

You think you can do better - show it... Yeah?

Well, why not implement them on the current servers that we worked on building them up as well? It worth a try, you have joined V the whole day yesterday and no one was motivated to play there. I can assure you it's about the change in the RP environment, I have a lot of people who wish to return back with their group if there is a proper RP environment set.

EDIT: I am speaking only of V server based on community discussions we had before.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kowalski. on November 03, 2020, 11:58:02 am

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 11:41:48 am

We will just give you another Argonath server where you can create on your own and prove to us that you were right...

So, create another Argonath server just to prove a point?

Aragorn, what the community wants is to have more roleplay. That's why the discussions on these rules were happening.

We don't have to disregard the Argonath Vision entirely, but a community can't operate if its players don't agree with the way it's being run. We need to do things that this community wants too, Aragorn. If we want a set of stricter roleplay rules, then there's no reason it shouldn't be considered.

I posted this in the V:MP discord but it's worth mentioning here too:

Quote

Go with a "hybrid":

Have some slightly stricter roleplay rules for the sake of interactions that everyone's able to enjoy, while not being a pedal-to-the-medal hardcore roleplay server, so it satisfies both the Argonath Vision and allows all sorts of roleplay and creativity or whatever else it states, and satisfies the players too, in regards to what they want and where they want to see the community go.

Easiest way I can put it :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 12:11:59 pm

Quote from: Mac Taylor on November 03, 2020, 11:49:36 am

Well, why not implement them on the current servers that we worked on building them up as well? It worth a try, you have joined V the whole day yesterday and no one was motivated to play there. I can assure you it's about the change in the RP environment, I have a lot of people who wish to return back with their group if there is a proper RP environment set.
EDIT: I am speaking only of V server based on community discussions we had before.

You can take your players and go on a strict RP Argonath server... Why not implement? Cos we already know how it will end up...
We can give you server - implement there as much as you want...

I was not roleplaying and I was not up to that... If you are not motivated to play there - start running your own server which we suggest - that should motivate you and your friends better... You can put there the scripts YOU want, the rules YOU want, the vision YOU want...

Do not think that we came back here just for listening to you and do what YOU want... If you will find yourself on owners place at fully yours server you will understand my point...

And once again - NO, we are not here to build a "proper (from someones point) RP"... We are here to run things as we were running it before...
Do not agree? Sorry... I did my best to explain... Mayde Gandalf will explain better but do not expect it from him - either we start working on Argonath or we are getting in endless blah blah about vision...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 12:18:13 pm

Quote from: Kowalski. on November 03, 2020, 11:58:02 am

Have some slightly stricter roleplay rules for the sake of interactions that everyone's able to enjoy

You will never find any server where all are able to enjoy... Every server has shitty discussions about server work, rules and attitude... Yeah - another server to prove your words... We can talk endless - we give a possibility not just blah blah but prove it to us and run the strict RP community if you will manage it...

Thats how we did with rules moaners before - we were just giving admins rights to those who complained most of all... So that they can face themselves with the issue... Very productive and saying option you know...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 12:22:50 pm

Fuck...
I could not even see Argonath in master list because there was noone when I was joining yesterday...
And you fucking blame me now that I was there yesterday and no any shit was motivated...

Stop this fucking crap it is already pissing me off, pff...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Chase on November 03, 2020, 12:25:58 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 12:22:50 pm

Fuck...
I could not even see Argonath in master list because there was noone when I was joining yesterday...
And you fucking blame me now that I was there yesterday and no any shit was motivated...

Stop this fucking crap it is already pissing me off, pff...

The SAMP creator decided to make the "internet" tab mirror the "hosted" tab which you have to pay for. I don't know if Argonath is still on the hosted tab.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Chase on November 03, 2020, 12:29:11 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 11:41:48 am

We will just give you another Argonath server where you can create on your own and prove to us that you were right...
Simple, effective, does not need a lot of discussions...)))

An Argonath "Classic Edition" vs Argonath "Modern Edition". Sounds interesting to me.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Khm on November 03, 2020, 12:38:00 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 12:22:50 pm

Fuck...
I could not even see Argonath in master list because there was noone when I was joining yesterday...
And you fucking blame me now that I was there yesterday and no any shit was motivated...

Stop this fucking crap it is already pissing me off, pff...

If you're talking about SAMP it's a problem from the modification's end not the server however the server is on a paid (paid from KJones and Haldir) hosted tab so it appears on that list to attract new players.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mac Taylor on November 03, 2020, 12:38:13 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 12:22:50 pm

Fuck...
I could not even see Argonath in master list because there was noone when I was joining yesterday...
And you fucking blame me now that I was there yesterday and no any shit was motivated...

Stop this fucking crap it is already pissing me off, pff...

If this is directed to my comment, well I didn't blame anyone, I just voiced my opinion that you have asked for earlier with this topic. You probably misunderstood my reply anyway.

Quote from: Chase on November 03, 2020, 12:29:11 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 11:41:48 am
We will just give you another Argonath server where you can create on your own and prove to us that you were right...
Simple, effective, does not need a lot of discussions...)))
An Argonath "Classic Edition" vs Argonath "Modern Edition". Sounds interesting to me.

i think this is fair enough, worth a try hopefully

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: jNewtonik on November 03, 2020, 12:42:41 pm

Quote from: Chase on November 03, 2020, 12:29:11 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 11:41:48 am
We will just give you another Argonath server where you can create on your own and prove to us that you were right...
Simple, effective, does not need a lot of discussions...)))
An Argonath "Classic Edition" vs Argonath "Modern Edition". Sounds interesting to me.

It sounds like a good plan to prevent the moaning and see the real results. ''Simple, effective, does not need a lot of discussions...''

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 12:54:53 pm

Quote from: Chase on November 03, 2020, 12:29:11 pm

An Argonath "Classic Edition" vs Argonath "Modern Edition". Sounds interesting to me.

Yeah but I suppose you have no idea what exactly is Argonath classic style... ))) Long time ago we had no enough possibilities to create interesting scripts and still we succeeded to make server interesting... The same will be with VMP...

Do not think that Argonath classic style is just me command...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 01:09:12 pm

Quote from: jNewtonik on November 03, 2020, 12:42:41 pm

It sounds like a good plan to prevent the moaning and see the real results. ''Simple, effective, does not need a lot of discussions...''

Bingo... Why should we all waste our time on arguing when we all can use our skills to make better even two servers... And everyone will be happy... If Argonath has separated two groups of roleplay - why not to run two servers of each vision...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Huntsman on November 03, 2020, 01:10:48 pm

With all due respect, Aragorn, a lot of people left specifically for a desire to have a more serious roleplay atmosphere (to adhere to which a copycat community was created, where quite a big number of former SAMP players and veterans alike went).

These were the changes that the community HQ have made while you two were on hiatus for quite a lot of time, and those changes were appreciated by what's left of the community. I'd say they went with a sort of "hybrid" model to appeal to both sides of the coin. I think it would be counter-productive to revert all those changes and would be a final nail in the coffin.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 01:33:55 pm

Quote from: Huntsman on November 03, 2020, 01:10:48 pm

With all due respect, Aragorn, a lot of people left specifically for a desire to have a more serious roleplay atmosphere (to adhere to which a copycat community was created, where quite a big number of former SAMP players and veterans alike went)

No problem we also had a hybrid system on SAMP this is where they probably took idea... And we still will have a hybrid system... That is why I said you guys arguing about things you still do not understand for all this 10 years...

As about former veterans - we always had a stream of roleplayers... And cannot judge them - who will like the server without an organizators/owners... If they like to play there - let them play... We were never counting on old recourses being whatever time near by and left us... If they trust us - they will arrive...

And stop this panics about coffin... If you do not like what we created and raised - you can always move on... I would like from my side as well to ask to respect what we created and to understand that you all talk with people who made their own SAMP script system from scratch adding things that no any server had... And making community from 0... If you doubt our vision and experience, if you do not trust our mentality - you have all rights to move on, and we will not be bothered with that cos it takes us out from our work...

Yeah we will ask what players ideas are, but will not fall for every of it but taking only those which we think can be positive... If you do not like that also - I cannot stop you from moving away from us... That will be good for everyone...

I hear here that players changed... Players did not change - changed the possibilities of gamemode... And with that exactly we will start working... We will use possibilities to make our vision wider and more organized adding new features...

Telling us that our vision is incorrect - telling that Argonath was from beginning a whole crap... Respect at least what WE did...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Sawyer on November 03, 2020, 02:08:40 pm

Aragorn, first of all, welcome back.

Never had the chance of meeting you but let me tell you that whatever's left of SAMP or any other veterans of the kind are very much sick of hearing "you are not having things your way". "We know better". If you pay attention to the details you'll realize that "we're the owners, we know better" mentality brought this great community to this decaying level of activity.

Just my bit right there, ultimately it's up to both you and Gandalf. It always was. But trust me when I say that you'll be ruling over a graveyard if you simply come out ten years later and point us to a direction the server used to have back in your days.

Adapt to survive.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gird3r on November 03, 2020, 02:14:47 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 01:33:55 pm

No problem we also had a hybrid system on SAMP this is where they probably took idea... And we still will have a hybrid system... That is why I said you guys arguing about things you still do not understand for all this 10 years...

As about former veterans - we always had a stream of roleplayers... And cannot judge them - who will like the server without an organizators/owners... If they like to play there - let them play... We were never counting on old recourses being whatever time near by and left us... If they trust us - they will arrive...

And stop this panics about coffin... If you do not like what we created and raised - you can always move on... I would like from my side as well to ask to respect what we created and to understand that you all talk with people who made their own SAMP script system from scratch adding things that no any server had... And making community from 0... If you doubt our vision and experience, if you do not trust our mentality - you have all rights to move on, and we will not be bothered with that cos it takes us out from our work...

Yeah we will ask what players ideas are, but will not fall for every of it but taking only those which we think can be positive... If you do not like that also - I cannot stop you from moving away from us... That will be good for everyone...

I hear here that players changed... Players did not change - changed the possibilities of gamemode... And with that exactly we will start working... We will use possibilities to make our vision wider and more organized adding new features...

Telling us that our vision is incorrect - telling that Argonath was from beginning a whole crap... Respect at least what WE did...

I tought you died with the amount of time you did NOT visit us for all these years.
Yes yes kid and all that. But regardless if you and your brother likes it or not, a personality cult formed around you. If it was the players or yours fault that this personality cult formed can be hard to say.
People never respected Gandalf to the extent they did you. Not in the past and not now either. Anyone who claims otherwise are not honest with themselves or you two.
It's not neccesarily wrong that Gandalf was the less harsh one. But it came of as weak, you were always the most outspoken one and acted as a rock for the community. You two were a dream team for this community. It's not by chance that tension rose after you went away Aragorn. Gandalf is like Luigi to the mario to say it in another way.

You being here was reassuring. Nobody in the history of the Argonath community could ever be YOU. And asking us to rule ourselves after the fairly dictatorial way
you two (but mostly you) ruled was doomed to cause tension at the bare minimum. Power struggles are a real thing and it makes people go corrupt. When a hole is left, it will need to be filled.
Peoples opinions about how things are to be also change. Obviously if I could we'd all be back in MTA:VC with a tiny ass community where everyone got along. That's a pipe dream ofc.
I'm honestly surprised this community has lasted as long as it has (I define the end of a community as: not being on the internet in any capacity anymore).

Regardless of the circumstances it's good to see that you are atleast alive man.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 02:20:51 pm

Quote from: Charles on November 03, 2020, 02:08:40 pm

But trust me when I say that you'll be ruling over a graveyard if you simply come out ten years later and point us to a direction the server used to have back in your days.
Adapt to survive.

I suppose that is a bullshit which started spreading between players does not want to hear my point... Nobody said that we will just arrive and ignore others... That is yours idea already live with that...
I told to everyone that we need to face servers and developers - why do you think we wanted it? To tell them all that they are wrong? Bullshit...

You wanna say that Argonath became be empty because of me leaving? Then... wait a minute... Either I was that good, that left the full Community and good running server or something happened with me being away? ah?
No that I am arriving to the ghost city and everyone is trying to press on me that I am wrong... Ah?

You do not like that I arrived? You think that I arrived to make this place more empty (cannot be worse I am sure), you are all standing here in the middle of graveyard and telling me, the guy who left the full server, that I am fucking still wrong?

You hear yourselves?

And one more thing...

Do not expect me coming back to make your wishes... Do not try to press on me - that will not work... I arrived here not for running away from moaners... The less moaning will be - the more healthy will be community... And yeah as owner I know it better...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Huntsman on November 03, 2020, 02:25:35 pm

The way I see it is that you're being misunderstood, because your English is somewhat.. struggling. I think you should ask Gandalf to phrase those things for you so people don't start misinterpreting things their own way.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ReLeX12 on November 03, 2020, 02:29:54 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 02:20:51 pm

Quote from: Charles on November 03, 2020, 02:08:40 pm
But trust me when I say that you'll be ruling over a graveyard if you simply come out ten years later and point us to a direction the server used to have back in your days.
Adapt to survive.

I suppose that is a bullshit which started spreading between players does not want to hear my point... Nobody said that we will just arrive and ignore others... That is yours idea already live with that...
I told to everyone that we need to face servers and developers - why do you think we wanted it? To tell them all that they are wrong? Bullshit...

You wanna say that Argonath became be empty because of me leaving? Then... wait a minute... Either I was that good, that left the full Community and good running server or something happened with me being away? ah?
No that I am arriving to the ghost city and everyone is trying to press on me that I am wrong... Ah?

You do not like that I arrived? You think that I arrived to make this place more empty (cannot be worse I am sure), you are all standing here in the middle of graveyard and telling me, the guy who left the full server, that I am fucking still wrong?

You hear yourselves?

And one more thing...

Do not expect me coming back to make your wishes... Do not try to press on me - that will not work... I arrived here not for running away from moaners... The less moaning will be - the more healthy will be community... And yeah as owner I know it better...

Hi Aragon you'll probably won't know me i joined the server around 2012-2013 I kinda lost all of you with al those pages here 40 and something i'm just here to ask what is it you think we as a community or you as an owner and a leader should do the revive this community once again to the times which we had to wait outside the server just to join it, the times that i was actually fun playing and not like now playing in a hope that 5-6 people would join when your online so there would be a little interaction between the players

Anyways i'm really glad to see you're back active on the forums atleast

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Chase on November 03, 2020, 02:30:15 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 02:20:51 pm

You wanna say that Argonath became be empty because of me leaving? Then... wait a minute... Either I was that good, that left the full Community and good running server or something happened with me being away? ah?
No that I am arriving to the ghost city and everyone is trying to press on me that I am wrong... Ah?

You do not like that I arrived? You think that I arrived to make this place more empty (cannot be worse I am sure), you are all standing here in the middle of graveyard and telling me, the guy who left the full server, that I am fucking still wrong?

I don't think people necessarily wanted to get you and Gandalf back for the leadership, but rather, to attempt to get the proper access to fix/upgrade/add things so that you guys wouldn't have to be bothered ever again. That's part of the reason the servers are empty. No one is willing to provide developer assistance if the community doesn't have the proper resources to improve its infrastructure.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Sawyer on November 03, 2020, 02:46:37 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 02:20:51 pm

Do not expect me coming back to make your wishes... Do not try to press on me - that will not work... I arrived here not for running away from moaners... The less moaning will be - the more healthy will be community... And yeah as owner I know it better...

Well this topic is supposed to be a dialog with the owners as the title says, right? I can't see how you are so triggered by regulars or veterans here expressing their thoughts with you. That's the whole purpose of the topic after all.

And to the actual quote, I do not really expect you or anyone from SA:MP to make my wishes come true.. and quite frankly I do not try to press you. I'm addressing certain facts about past arguments with CLs/DVs or even Owners.

I've tried to distance myself from SAMP the last year but I wouldn't mind giving a hand for its resurrection. But I sure as hell am not going to stand here and go along with whatever shit is thrown in my face for the sake of server's survival. I've tried that in the past and guess what.. it didn't work.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 02:50:59 pm

Quote from: ReLeX12 on November 03, 2020, 02:29:54 pm

i'm just here to ask what is it you think we as a community or you as an owner and a leader should do the revive this community once again

Right now we will concentrate on VMP, I was trying to check yesterday what is done and what can be added, and how to organize the whole script system so server can run as a good country...))) But I have to fix the crashes, I am constantly crashing no matter what I was trying to change...

For sure will be new system with new options even those which nobody yet thought about... Will be a possibility for many levels of roleplayers - from those who like to shoot and fight (inside the rules of cos) to those who like the pure roleplay or some funny chilling around together...

I suppose that the system will be a bit more friendly to new players and many other features which you will face only on beta server and not inside a discussions (lets just wait for a big surprises)

We will support the scripting and developers teams of any server, for example VC MP who actually happy with their server so my appearance there not needed unless to scare them hahah)))

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: ReLeX12 on November 03, 2020, 02:54:38 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 02:50:59 pm

Quote from: ReLeX12 on November 03, 2020, 02:29:54 pm
i'm just here to ask what is it you think we as a community or you as an owner and a leader should do the revive this community once again

Right now we will concentrate on VMP, I was trying to check yesterday what is done and what can be added, and how to organize the whole script system so server can run as a good country...))) But I have to fix the crashes, I am constantly crashing no matter what I was trying to change...

For sure will be new system with new options even those which nobody yet thought about... Will be a possibility for many levels of roleplayers - from those who like to shoot and fight (inside the rules of cos) to those who like the pure roleplay or some funny chilling around together...

I suppose that the system will be a bit more friendly to new players and many other features which you will face only on beta server and not inside a discussions (lets just wait for a big surprises)

We will support the scripting and developers teams of any server, for example VC MP who actually happy with their server so my appearance there not needed unless to scare them hahah)))

And what about the SA:MP server as i'm a member of the SA:MP community altough i'll gladly play on the V:MP server once i'll be able to run GTA V, but yeah my main question is what about SA:MP

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gandalf on November 03, 2020, 02:55:13 pm

I hope you all understand how strange your "suggestions" sound. For the last 2 years, and in reality even longer, no request was ever denied by us, nor did we interfere in anything regarding the community.
We return to empty servers and people whining about changes they had 2 years to make without any interference. The one server that did not change is the one with leaders who did not fall for shit from the community and made their own plans.
So instead of sitting running your mouths in forum and Discord you could have done something. Those of you who want to work on things and show us they can manage what they are talking about are welcome and will be given every opportunity. In the mean time we will also use the method that worked for over 10 years to make people stick to the community
Stop talking and start acting.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Sauron on November 03, 2020, 03:01:30 pm

Quote from: Chase on November 03, 2020, 02:30:15 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 02:20:51 pm
You wanna say that Argonath became be empty because of me leaving? Then... wait a minute... Either I was that good, that left the full Community and good running server or something happened with me being away? ah?
No that I am arriving to the ghost city and everyone is trying to press on me that I am wrong... Ah?

You do not like that I arrived? You think that I arrived to make this place more empty (cannot be worse I am sure), you are all standing here in the middle of graveyard and telling me, the guy who left the full server, that I am fucking still wrong?
Those in charge have all access to the VM's as needed. If they would need more capacity in any way, it was never asked. If they would need upgrades they could do it themselves. Only thing kept from access is the main dedicated server, and just like any other hosting company, that is none of your business.
If developers have no idea what they are doing you need more capable ones.
I don't think people necessarily wanted to get you and Gandalf back for the leadership, but rather, to attempt to get the proper access to fix/upgrade/add things so that you guys wouldn't have to be bothered ever again. That's part of the reason the servers are empty. No one is willing to provide developer assistance if the community doesn't have the proper resources to improve its infrastructure.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Sawyer on November 03, 2020, 03:03:49 pm

Well.. it's very encouraging see all of you around nonetheless. I guess that's a start for people to actually start hoping again. :rolleyes:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 03:08:00 pm

Quote from: Chase on November 03, 2020, 02:30:15 pm

I don't think people necessarily wanted to get you and Gandalf back for the leadership, but rather, to attempt to get the proper access to fix/upgrade/add things so that you guys wouldn't have to be bothered ever again. That's part of the reason the servers are empty. No one is willing to provide developer assistance if the community doesn't have the proper resources to improve its infrastructure.

Now we are coming to the real honest convo... So your own fails you put on owners... I was running server torgether with three admins 24/7 trying to set it alive from crashers, and yeah I had no possibility that time to restart server or do anything on it... But I did, and those tree guys did... While figuring out the problem of crashers we were administrating server... I also know server whos owner was never online and server was running by players aka admins kick/ban... And the atmosphere was good...

Some posts here I see the real problem now - yeah the atmosphere and not that shit about "who is absent lets blame them"

I also do not see any requests to set servers or scripts or whatever else and servers are running so that is also not the point of owners or servers being guilty for empty community...

I was a hard admin (and still is - unlike your visions and opinions about me my opinions are not changing) with the strict character and even I was succeeded to gain a hell of big community... That means the atmosphere was good and means that our vision which exactly includes atmosphere of server was correct... Right now atmosphere is totally different and this is what I see as a main reason...

If to talk honestly fully I do suppose that you rather more sit on discord then be on server and yeah that is also a problem... I know what is chatting and how much time I wasted on it doing nothing...

Now to what we did face I can repeat our suggestion - if you still think you can run Argonath better - we will give you new server - do there whatever you want I will not even appear there, all will be on a responsibility of owners... If they will face the problems and would like to shut it down - it will be their decision, if they will manage with success we all will lose nothing...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gird3r on November 03, 2020, 03:12:35 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 03:08:00 pm

Now we are coming to the real honest convo... So your own fails you put on owners... I was running server torgether with three admins 24/7 trying to set it alive from crashers, and yeah I had no possibility that time to restart server or do anything on it... But I did, and those tree guys did... While figuring out the problem of crashers we were administrating server... I also know server whos owner was never online and server was running by players aka admins kick/ban... And the atmosphere was good...

Some posts here I see the real problem now - yeah the atmosphere and not that shit about "who is absent lets blame them"

I also do not see any requests to set servers or scripts or whatever else and servers are running so that is also not the point of owners or servers being guilty for empty community...

I was a hard admin (and still is - unlike your visions and opinions about me my opinions are not changing) with the strict character and even I was succeeded to gain a hell of big community... That means the atmosphere was good and means that our vision which exactly includes atmosphere of server was correct... Right now atmosphere is totally different and this is what I see as a main reason...

If to talk honestly fully I do suppose that you rather more sit on discord then be on server and yeah that is also a problem... I know what is chatting and how much time I wasted on it doing nothing...

Now to what we did face I can repeat our suggestion - if you still think you can run Argonath better - we will give you new server - do there whatever you want I will not even appear there, all will be on a responsibility of owners... If they will face the problems and would like to shut it down - it will be their decision, if they will manage with success we all will lose nothing...

You are being equally ridicilous and right at the same time.
I understand if you want people to see your side and get the players to understand the work that goes into building things. Or behind the scenes so to say.
But to freak out and :mad: and say "Well you do it better" is hardly more mature. Infact it's unrealistic in itself.
Stop being a bitch. You are better than that Aragorn.
When you create a community, you take on the burden of owning it trough the good times and the bad times.
If you can't deal with that, you should not have created Argonath RPG.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 03:15:42 pm

Quote from: ReLeX12 on November 03, 2020, 02:54:38 pm

And what about the SA:MP server as i'm a member of the SA:MP community altough i'll gladly play on the V:MP server once i'll be able to run GTA V, but yeah my main question is what about SA:MP

Right now it looks like SAMP itself will be stopped... They were telling everything will be shut down... So I cannot tell anything about SAMP...
If there will be some new platform and players will want to play there - we will support I think...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Legolas on November 03, 2020, 03:21:02 pm

I see that temperature is rising. Can i suggest bit of Chill? Maybe instead of blaming eachother. Please make a polite conversation with suggestions. With war we will never reach agreement where to go. Everyone please?

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Huntsman on November 03, 2020, 03:21:46 pm

Okay, now this is quite interesting.

For more than two years you people were gone. Now you come back and start pointing fingers and belittle people that did all they could to keep it alive in a desperate situation. Nice. Off to a good start I see.

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The one server that did not change is the one with leaders who did not fall for shit from the community and made their own plans.

Yes, the same server who was neglected by you to the point where the server would be down for two months and there's nothing the VCMP HQ could do about it. People got sick and tired, and the server management started paying for their own host and seperated from Argo's host, becoming independent from your wallet and your decision making. And now you try to use it as some sort of an example to reinforce your point? :D:D:D

What the VCMP server has achieved is damn sure not because of either of you.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Chase on November 03, 2020, 03:23:19 pm

Quote from: Sauron on November 03, 2020, 03:01:30 pm

Those in charge have all access to the VM's as needed. If they would need more capacity in any way, it was never asked. If they would need upgrades they could do it themselves. Only thing kept from access is the main dedicated server, and just like any other hosting company, that is none of your business.
If developers have no idea what they are doing you need more capable ones.

And that's lovely, except certain machines, such as the SA:MP machine, has Windows Server 2008 on it, which is unsupported. You can't upgrade that without access to some sort of VM control panel to insert an ISO and get some sort of KVM (which also includes the ability to restart/stop, etc), like most VPS providers have.

Also, it is my understanding the webmasters still do not have the ability to re-enable cloudflare on the .eu domain (for ssl), something that has been asked years ago.

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 03:08:00 pm

Now we are coming to the real honest convo... So your own fails you put on owners... I was running server torgether with three admins 24/7 trying to set it alive from crashers, and yeah I had no possibility that time to restart server or do anything on it... But I did, and those tree guys did... While figuring out the problem of crashers we were administrating server... I also know server whos owner was never online and server was running by players aka admins kick/ban... And the atmosphere was good...

What would you have done if that server completely crashed, and the restart button no longer worked? And the owner(s) did not respond? If you tell me you would put forth money to buy a new server and subject it to the inactive owners leadership, I think you would be insane.

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 03:08:00 pm

Now to what we did face I can repeat our suggestion - if you still think you can run Argonath better - we will give you new server - do there whatever you want I will not even appear there, all will be on a responsibility of owners... If they will face the problems and would like to shut it down - it will be their decision, if they will manage with success we all will lose nothing...

The challenge is accepted, no need to give a server, myself and a few others have it covered. In fact, I bet you whatever amount of money your favorite bottle of vodka costs that it will work, at least reasonably better than the current state.
Thank you for the opportunity.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mark on November 03, 2020, 03:27:47 pm

For the past three years SA:MP has changed HQ at least 5 times, 5 different visions and no stability at all. Someone enforced RP, others enforced freeroam in the server.
IV:MP has failed to impress once it went on T4 client, a client developed by one dev for this server only, not something you'd take for guaranteed. IV:MP main issue was that the players were more focused on events and cops vs criminals activities, those who were doing something different eventually left because they didn't like it anymore to be ignored, my guess.

Why am i saying this? Because these two divisions have focused for years on your vision, SA:MP was going well (let's say recovering from rs5 launch) until, 2016, when something between that HQ and Gandalf broke after discussions on changing the vision of the server to "listen" to the playerbase who wanted a change (the same players who supported the server by playing after rs5 launch, remember that), after that a huge downhill with multiple HQ changes happened.
IV:MP never tried to change vision, waves of new players existed until 2017, then the old client died, those guys who kept coming didn't get to know well enough the new T4 client.
Nowdays i see on the IVMP T4 Client discord waves of people joining that want a working server but the only one with decent scripts is dead, why? It hasn't adapted, nor was shaped around players imho, it took good ideas from players once in a while but did not deliver well the message of what is roleplay. The remaining free roaming people got tired or found new games, roleplayers simply left by disappointment on the lack of quality in interactions. Myself and other friends who played this server regularly got hugely disappointed when people were allowed to leave roleplay scenes and ignore them when approached even kindly, this wasn't supported by all the members of the that adminstration team, but few individuals caused this and weren't pushed out until it was too late.

Now, V:MP, i have played on the first iteration of this server which was shut down unexpectedly when it was dropping players last year, now a year later, it's back but the same issues arised.
What can you do to help as owners? Motivate the HQ and let them pursue the road they are tracing, help them get more developers to speed up the improvements for the server and of course give your vision to them.

These people in charge want the best for the players just like you do, as players all we can ask is that you listen to them because they know what needs to be done now. Let them demonstrate you a "tweaked" vision on roleplay interactions can exist without removing the "old" one completely, nobody here wants hardcore rp, they want more quality and more interactions with other players, they're tired of grinding all day.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gird3r on November 03, 2020, 03:33:01 pm

Quote from: Legolas on November 03, 2020, 03:21:02 pm

I see that temperature is rising. Can i suggest bit of Chill? Maybe instead of blaming eachother. Please make a polite conversation with suggestions. With war we will never reach agreement where to go. Everyone please?

Basically everyone except Aragorn is chilling.
He's mad he did not return to a perfect community that he left. WHat the fuck did he expect really? Things in the world will always shake around.
I stay with my point: A cult of personality formed around him, and when that rock got removed, it was a significant thing.

I know Aragorn, he is strict and to the point with no bs.
He's not anywhere close to that right now. His answer to valid criticism is to
say "do it better". Basically bitch.
Nobody is saying fuck you, nobody is saying "ill ddos you". Nobody is saying
something genunly evil like "die as a dog" or whatever. You get my point yhea?

Hardly anyone here except the very few are doing things will ill intent.
And the thread is after all called "Dialog with owners".
Not "Soviet gulag tiem".

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 04:00:04 pm

Stop spread childish rumors about me pissed of that community is empty... I am pissed off that you all find a reason in me being inactive then in yourselves... When you arrived to me and started pointing fingers that I must do as you want otherwise I am a shitty owner selfish and blah blah blah and you are sitting and waiting from me some piece of crap in a style of "oh yeah sorry you were good running community" hoping that some due to respect words will help... Apparently I look stupid...

It is very easy to blame the owner (every shit on every server does it) and it is very difficult to face with your own problems... And yeah as I was away - I had no problems here...

Besides it I am very happy to see this conversation as it shows me the exact problem community and developers faced with - leaving one by one due to a tons of shit towards them... Well they had no support and were not sure if I would support them, now you will face with the sure in himself owner of server... Those who does not like it and do not respect it can find another server and owner who will be that weak to listen to you with opened mouth and taking every shit into his address as a normal...

If I will hear again any such rumours about me like "this prick arrived and wants to destroy what we did" or "this prick arrived and we will have no life" - you better get out from Argonath, if you do not want to be aragornized... I will not allow toxic behavior towards owners and trust me I will not accept this behavior against any developers team who want to continue the work with us...

Once again I will hear the lie about owners or their policy - you are out...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 04:12:29 pm

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Not "Soviet gulag tiem".

If to talk about Russians - check the most crowded servers on VMP...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Chase on November 03, 2020, 04:22:03 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 04:00:04 pm

If I will hear again any such rumours about me like "this prick arrived and wants to destroy what we did" or "this prick arrived and we will have no life" - you better get out from Argonath, if you do not want to be aragornized... I will not allow toxic behavior towards owners and trust me I will not accept this behavior against any developers team who want to continue the work with us...

Once again I will hear the lie about owners or their policy - you are out...

I haven't seen anyone say that you want to destroy what was accomplished during your time away. A lot of people including myself are afraid and fearful that it might happen. I personally haven't witnessed it but I have been told by many former HQ that whenever Gandalf would return from his times away, he would revert any changes or updates he did not approve of. (haven't heard you specifically mentioned). I am not saying this is true, I don't know. But the fact it has been said gives us cause for concern, and I hope you understand that. I am not saying you will, but I among others have asked you to not do such a thing. I hope that makes sense ))))

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gird3r on November 03, 2020, 04:23:53 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 04:12:29 pm

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Not "Soviet gulag tiem".

If to talk about Russians - check the most crowded servers on VMP...

You know very well what I meant.
I'll admit, I have not been around for a very long time either (in terms of consistenty). But what is "plaguing" argonath rpg right now
is the same shit that happened in the past. Except it's more noticeable now.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kessu on November 03, 2020, 04:27:31 pm

Quote from: Huntsman on November 03, 2020, 03:21:46 pm

Okay, now this is quite interesting.

For more than two years you people were gone. Now you come back and start pointing fingers and belittle people that did all they could to keep it alive in a desperate situation. Nice. Off to a good start I see.

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The one server that did not change is the one with leaders who did not fall for shit from the community and made their own plans.

Yes, the same server who was neglected by you to the point where the server would be down for two months and there's nothing the VCMP HQ could do about it. People got sick and tired, and the server management started paying for their own host and seperated from Argo's host, becoming independent from your wallet and your decision making. And now you try to use it as some sort of an example to reinforce your point? :D:D:D

What the VCMP server has achieved is damn sure not because of either of you.

Just to correct the facts, we didn't have a official server for 8 months, but we searched far and wide for optional possibilities while I was running the server on my home PC for several weeks. Since then we've upgraded our hosting situation quite a bit, partially in thanks to Marcel who allowed us to use one of his hosts to run the server from until we got hit by a massive ddos in which the hosting company said they will not tolerate another hit of similar nature (it took out most of their services). So we got booted out :(

Since then we've had our own host and we're quite happy with how it's worked out in the long term.

Now we still very likely wouldn't be here if it weren't for the owners, but the later part of the server's history we have indeed not been dependent on the owners for anything, mostly due to having all the access we could dream of and a far more powerful host than what VC:MP actually requires.

Now to the other part of the quote;

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The one server that did not change is the one with leaders who did not fall for shit from the community and made their own plans.

I assume that's in relation to VC:MP, and quite honestly we work with the community a lot to try and keep the server entertaining for everyone. Do note however, that we in no way will try to please everyone, for every decision will piss someone off and we're fine with that. While we do reject ideas straight up, most of our recent-ish updates and our planned updates has been planned out by us with the community aid. The community puts up the most ridiculous ideas sometimes, but we take those ideas and see if we can make something out of anyway.

Even we, as the only real roleplay server on the client, can't survive not listening to the players in any way, but there is a limit to how much effect players will have in decision making and ultimately every single decision that is related to the VC:MP server is up to me and Klaus to figure out.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 04:27:55 pm

Quote from: Chase on November 03, 2020, 04:22:03 pm

I haven't seen anyone say that you want to destroy what was accomplished during your time away. A lot of people including myself are afraid and fearful that it might happen.

Then stop being afraid and panic... This goes nowhere...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 04:30:30 pm

Quote from: Kessu on November 03, 2020, 04:27:31 pm

The community puts up the most ridiculous ideas sometimes, but we take those ideas and see if we can make something out of anyway.

The exact thing how we did our work in a past...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 04:39:01 pm

Quote from: Gird3r on November 03, 2020, 04:23:53 pm

I'll admit, I have not been around for a very long time either (in terms of consistenty). But ...

"...am trying my best to fuck up the atmosphere"... Yeah why else to arrive here yeah?.. Anyways I do not care about your personal issues toward me... You will not manage to get rid of owners... And I do not care why you try it even... But bullshit towards owners from you I will stop for sure... Do not respect do not want our server - you are free to go - it is fair enough for both sides...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gandalf on November 03, 2020, 04:48:33 pm

Quote from: Chase on November 03, 2020, 04:22:03 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 04:00:04 pm
If I will hear again any such rumours about me like "this prick arrived and wants to destroy what we did" or "this prick arrived and we will have no life" - you better get out from Argonath, if you do not want to be aragornized... I will not allow toxic behavior towards owners and trust me I will not accept this behavior against any developers team who want to continue the work with us...

Once again I will hear the lie about owners or their policy - you are out...
I haven't seen anyone say that you want to destroy what was accomplished during your time away. A lot of people including myself are afraid and fearful that it might happen. I personally haven't witnessed it but I have been told by many former HQ that whenever Gandalf would return from his times away, he would revert any changes or updates he did not approve of. (haven't heard you specifically mentioned). I am not saying this is true, I don't know. But the fact it has been said gives us cause for concern, and I hope you understand that. I am not saying you will, but I among others have asked you to not do such a thing. I hope that makes sense ))))

Problem is that the community knows only about some people being removed who blamed it on me not accepting rule changes or modernization. In reality those that were kicked out were planning to take over ownership of the community. I had enough logs and discussions to know their plans when I acted. But even then I did not put out all dirty laundry about them to the community, out of respect for he good things they did.

We are no here to kick out people, to bring back the past or to ignore that time has passed. If you remember we were often ahead of our time, sometimes years ahead in ideas so that we could not make things work until the devs of the mod caught up.
We introduced buying properties in MTA:VC and SA:MP. Cars braking when you exit so they could no longer be used as DM weapon. Using the same trick as in-game not o fall out when entering interiors
Zombie-NPC''s coming after you (lagging the server as SA:MP was not preared for this).

We already discussed things that nobody will have seen but are possible.
Holding back people has never been our style. We give opportunities, and if they fail people get angry at us because they failed themselves. You do not need to fear any changes, unless you are trying to undermine the community.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Nylez on November 03, 2020, 04:53:34 pm

First of all, Aragorn, welcome back for the time you're here.
I can't remember ever meeting you in person when it comes to an ingame server, so I am sure you have no clue who the fuck I am.

I do not intend to put shade onto anyone, and neither will I attempt to do so.
I am, in my opinion, a valuable regular for the VC:MP Argo server.

Quote from: Kessu on November 03, 2020, 04:27:31 pm

The community puts up the most ridiculous ideas sometimes, but we take those ideas and see if we can make something out of anyway.

Even we, as the only real roleplay server on the client, can't survive not listening to the players in any way, but there is a limit to how much effect players will have in decision making and ultimately every single decision that is related to the VC:MP server is up to me and Klaus to figure out.

I assume every community has those idiotic ideas being requested, just like in ours. I myself try to come up with ideas that are balanced, helpful and create more opportunities for every party involved. The amount of times I bothered Kessu with asking if I should even bother to come up with ideas in a certain area of the game I no longer remember, but that is what has kept VC:MP Argonath the way it has been for years: COMMUNICATION.

If I see how people certain people here behave like they feel the need to tell someone else what they did or didn't do wrong, I feel like kindergarten is in session. Why is it so hard to have a little self reflection, some respect for other people but mostly for yourself?!

I am proud of how the VC:MP server currently is, no matter the circumstances we've had to go through in all the years. I am grateful for every individual who was and IS involved in keeping it alive, since that is what it should be about. It's very easy to point fingers so you don't have to do shit yourself, every imbecile can do that.

My point is, shut the hell up if you are just here to blame someone for something, nobody cares.

Have a nice day :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 04:54:48 pm

Quote from: Mark on November 03, 2020, 03:27:47 pm

they want more quality and more interactions with other players, they're tired of grinding all day.

And under more quality they mean a strict RP (from what I understood in conversations)... Yes we all (maybe) want the best way of players interacting on server, and I have no idea why all developers shitted their pants when we want the same... Different vision? We already had a hybrid server which was running normal... But already those times started a fight about implementing more and more rules as many players and admins already were used to server and commands and were not thinking about new players who will be lost in it...

As for me all what started in this topic - is just fear of the current admins team that now they will have to face the requirements of administration which needs not just blah blah in Discord...

None of owners have plans to drop all past and current work... On your place you guys could be more happy that arriving people with skills who can make it faster, stable and protective instead of start being afraid and with that spreading toxicity about owners...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 05:00:08 pm

Quote from: Nylez on November 03, 2020, 04:53:34 pm

My point is, shut the hell up if you are just here to blame someone for something, nobody cares.

Another one who did not get the point... Have a nice day and shut the fuck up yourself nobody cares about you being cool to woof on owner

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Omri on November 03, 2020, 05:05:40 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 05:00:08 pm

Another one who did not get the point... Have a nice day and shut the fuck up yourself nobody cares about you being cool to woof on owner

Old man, I do remember your temper and you were notorious when it came to strike back towards people that you felt attacked / were against the community in any how.. You just barkin' back at the people who bark at you with no end game I suppose.

The community can be revived I don't doubt that, but changes are inevitable.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gird3r on November 03, 2020, 05:06:50 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 04:39:01 pm

I'll admit, I have not been around for a very long time either (in terms of consistenty). But ...

"...am trying my best to fuck up the atmosphere"... Yeah why else to arrive here yeah?.. Anyways I do not care about your personal issues toward me... You will not manage to get rid of owners... And I do not care why you try it even... But bullshit towards owners from you I will stop for sure... Do not respect do not want our server - you are free to go - it is fair enough for both sides...

I randomly decided to visit Argonath: Saw this thread and decided to give my opinion based on the things I have experienced during the times I were here.
Stop being a oaf... I might not have spent as many nights as you guys did defending this community. But I were there the times I did. Time that I could have spent on homework.
I remember the times scripts went down on mta:vc, I remember when we used helicopters to constantly kill deathmatchers as admins when we could not use scripts to ban.
Spent many years of my "online time" so to say on this community back then. The only thing that has changed is you leaving and opinions here and there. And I won't give up my point unless someone can give me a good argument: You leaving caused tension and instability in the community.

I might not have spent as much you did in terms of money either. But I ALMOST (and note almost) singelhandedly spent the money to revive Argonath during the time when your bank fucked up and
took the money you needed to keep Argonath RPG running. Instead of having to wait 1-3 months, I spent 200 USD right away to get the final stretch.
Gandalf can confirm that btw about the money. I remember it very well. You don't spend money and you don't stay up all night if you want to fuck shit up either in the past or now.

There's far better things I can do to fuck up the astmosphere here if I really wanted to. A discussion, criticism and a small slew of "hard talk" is not.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gird3r on November 03, 2020, 05:08:30 pm

Probably I fucked up and doubleposted. Ignore this one.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 05:27:51 pm

Quote from: Omri on November 03, 2020, 05:05:40 pm

Old man, I do remember your temper and you were notorious when it came to strike back towards people that you felt attacked / were against the community in any how.. You just barkin' back at the people who bark at you with no end game I suppose.
The community can be revived I don't doubt that, but changes are inevitable.

Nah I am just practicing was not typing English for a long time - this thread is good for me to practice barks too...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Hidduh on November 03, 2020, 05:30:56 pm

I'm going to be getting ahead of myself but I feel like it's worth a shot to at least point it out.

In the past, when we also had Paruni, it had some serious potential in terms of going outside the RPG bubble. Nowadays there are plenty of really great games which offer dedicated servers. Take Minecraft for example, something which worked in the past and works great as we speak. Wouldn't it be good for Argonath to get back to a subsidiary like Paruni to focus on other games as well? The Paruni Counter Strike servers were great fun and surely brought a few people over to Argonath and vice versa.

It's way too early to even consider this taking the current 'problems' in account.. but there's an ever-expanding universe of new players looking for a community where they can just have fun and enjoy themselves. All I'm saying is that at least I (and I'm sure a few others) wouldn't mind to eventually have more diversity in games/servers. It would definitely do this community good.

But again, I got ahead of myself and also realize that a lot needs to be done to even consider this. I'm just curious to see how the owners feel about it.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Brian on November 03, 2020, 05:34:40 pm

Quote from: Hidduh on November 03, 2020, 05:30:56 pm

I'm going to be getting ahead of myself but I feel like it's worth a shot to at least point it out.

In the past, when we also had Paruni, it had some serious potential in terms of going outside the RPG bubble. Nowadays there are plenty of really great games which offer dedicated servers. Take Minecraft for example, something which worked in the past and works great as we speak. Wouldn't it be good for Argonath to get back to a subsidiary like Paruni to focus on other games as well? The Paruni Counter Strike servers were great fun and surely brought a few people over to Argonath and vice versa.

It's way too early to even consider this taking the current 'problems' in account.. but there's an ever-expanding universe of new players looking for a community where they can just have fun and enjoy themselves. All I'm saying is that at least I (and I'm sure a few others) wouldn't mind to eventually have more diversity in games/servers. It would definitely do this community good.

But again, I got ahead of myself and also realize that a lot needs to be done to even consider this. I'm just curious to see how the owners feel about it.

Although I am not one of the owners, we (CLs and some community members) have been talking about this. Its one of the reasons we were very keen to reopen a Minecraft server for Argonath.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 05:37:51 pm

Quote from: Gird3r on November 03, 2020, 05:06:50 pm

That is like old dirty window which needs to be cleaned to see the street... As for me I was like - Let them breath out what was inside them and I will see where from is the wind... And yeah I understand what everyone is afraid of - that will not happen... As for now I liked things were done and I see that can be done more... With all what we have plus all what we can do = the normal run...

Players want scripts, roleplayers want fun, newbies want to understand server, admins want to feel safety, developers want to be sure and trust owners which just arrived from nowhere... This is how I do see a picture and this is why I am pissed off about all blames... You wanna blame or start build the community with the hell of support?

This topic will show - who is up to what...

Ps: and yeah I know I am a big fat troll but I also allow much towards me... For now... Once we will settle things with all who want to participate - I will put the protection over developers so that none will disturb them with the shit...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 05:40:15 pm

Quote from: Hidduh on November 03, 2020, 05:30:56 pm

I'm going to be getting ahead of myself but I feel like it's worth a shot to at least point it out.

In the past, when we also had Paruni, it had some serious potential in terms of going outside the RPG bubble. Nowadays there are plenty of really great games which offer dedicated servers. Take Minecraft for example, something which worked in the past and works great as we speak. Wouldn't it be good for Argonath to get back to a subsidiary like Paruni to focus on other games as well? The Paruni Counter Strike servers were great fun and surely brought a few people over to Argonath and vice versa.

Thats under discussion and some ideas are already arrived...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Sauron on November 03, 2020, 05:40:51 pm

Quote from: Hidduh on November 03, 2020, 05:30:56 pm

I'm going to be getting ahead of myself but I feel like it's worth a shot to at least point it out.

In the past, when we also had Paruni, it had some serious potential in terms of going outside the RPG bubble. Nowadays there are plenty of really great games which offer dedicated servers. Take Minecraft for example, something which worked in the past and works great as we speak. Wouldn't it be good for Argonath to get back to a subsidiary like Paruni to focus on other games as well? The Paruni Counter Strike servers were great fun and surely brought a few people over to Argonath and vice versa.

It's way too early to even consider this taking the current 'problems' in account.. but there's an ever-expanding universe of new players looking for a community where they can just have fun and enjoy themselves. All I'm saying is that at least I (and I'm sure a few others) wouldn't mind to eventually have more diversity in games/servers. It would definitely do this community good.

But again, I got ahead of myself and also realize that a lot needs to be done to even consider this. I'm just curious to see how the owners feel about it.

Yes, I already have some requests and suggestions.
While GTA is our base we have no problem going where the players are.
BUT. We need a team willing to be active and give up their time for more than just a month or so.
Building a server communnity takes months of time and effort, and can be destroyed in a week by no giving attenion.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 05:43:55 pm

Quote from: Gird3r on November 03, 2020, 05:08:30 pm

Probably I fucked up and doubleposted. Ignore this one.

Awwww finally you agreed that you fucked up in something... Hhhahahaha )))))

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Shokkoth on November 03, 2020, 05:44:41 pm

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Building a server communnity takes months of time and effort, and can be destroyed in a week by no giving attenion.

Imagine what would happen with no attention for years.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kessu on November 03, 2020, 05:47:26 pm

Quote from: Sauron on November 03, 2020, 05:40:51 pm

Quote from: Hidduh on November 03, 2020, 05:30:56 pm
I'm going to be getting ahead of myself but I feel like it's worth a shot to at least point it out.

In the past, when we also had Paruni, it had some serious potential in terms of going outside the RPG bubble. Nowadays there are plenty of really great games which offer dedicated servers. Take Minecraft for example, something which worked in the past and works great as we speak. Wouldn't it be good for Argonath to get back to a subsidiary like Paruni to focus on other games as well? The Paruni Counter Strike servers were great fun and surely brought a few people over to Argonath and vice versa.

It's way too early to even consider this taking the current 'problems' in account.. but there's an ever-expanding universe of new players looking for a community where they can just have fun and enjoy themselves. All I'm saying is that at least I (and I'm sure a few others) wouldn't mind to eventually have more diversity in games/servers. It would definitely do this community good.

But again, I got ahead of myself and also realize that a lot needs to be done to even consider this. I'm just curious to see how the owners feel about it.
Yes, I already have some requests and suggestions.
While GTA is our base we have no problem going where the players are.
BUT. We need a team willing to be active and give up their time for more than just a month or so.
Building a server communnity takes months of time and effort, and can be destroyed in a week by no giving attenion.

You have 5 CLs with DLs for the respective servers those CLs come out from to help you guys. We've already been hard at work to look out for new things for the community to play around with and we do have one project currently running ;)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gandalf on November 03, 2020, 05:47:57 pm

For those reading Aragorn for the first time (or after a long time) do no forge he is he guard dog. If you have bad intention you will not pass him, but gain his trust and he will die for you (or kill others).

As for me, I can place the negative in your argument in your face. You choose if it makes you angry or gives you the motivation to convince me.

There is a question out there to those who have current experience on other servers which they like and are missing here for whatever reason. We are not talking about rules or vision but about what you like elsewhere and would like to do on the Argonath servers as well. For instance... fight between mafias without cops interfering, or ways to remove endless chase/fight or even playing a fastfood store without being killed. Bring the experience not the rule you think it causes it.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 05:59:35 pm

Quote from: Gandalf on November 03, 2020, 05:47:57 pm

For those reading Aragorn for the first time (or after a long time) do no forge he is he guard dog. If you have bad intention you will not pass him, but gain his trust and he will die for you (or kill others

The scariest thing is that I will not even die...
As about all other words - true - if you are with me and trusted - nothing will stop me to protect you... That's my word...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Sawyer on November 03, 2020, 06:00:29 pm

Quote from: Hidduh on November 03, 2020, 05:30:56 pm

I'm going to be getting ahead of myself but I feel like it's worth a shot to at least point it out.

In the past, when we also had Paruni, it had some serious potential in terms of going outside the RPG bubble. Nowadays there are plenty of really great games which offer dedicated servers. Take Minecraft for example, something which worked in the past and works great as we speak. Wouldn't it be good for Argonath to get back to a subsidiary like Paruni to focus on other games as well? The Paruni Counter Strike servers were great fun and surely brought a few people over to Argonath and vice versa.

It's way too early to even consider this taking the current 'problems' in account.. but there's an ever-expanding universe of new players looking for a community where they can just have fun and enjoy themselves. All I'm saying is that at least I (and I'm sure a few others) wouldn't mind to eventually have more diversity in games/servers. It would definitely do this community good.

But again, I got ahead of myself and also realize that a lot needs to be done to even consider this. I'm just curious to see how the owners feel about it.

Veeeery glad you brought Paruni to the matter. I, myself literally grew up in the CS 1.6 server since late 2007 (known as Ntinos there) and ended up here on Argonath in 2010. In late 2015 after a conversation with Gandalf joined [R*]'s DM division in order to boost activity right along with my good old buddy @GakgosseN and a couple of other oldies such as Indigo and Ramboten only to watch the entire project blow up in our face due to lack of solid background support. The CS:GO DM server was fairly successful and occasionally hitting very sufficient numbers of players such as 30 to 40 a week.

I'd more than love to participate in Paruni being brought back to life from whatever angle possible. Player, admin, leader or whatever spot needs to be filled. In fact I wouldn't mind contributing with the hosts and all. Paruni has been my entire childhood and I'd love to have a glimpse in the past.. for good this time.

I can see many possibilities in Paruni playing a vital role in order to boost Argonath as a whole. Like it always has been.

I'm definitely sure Indigo will want to have a say in this.. if one of you guys can still reach him. He was by far the greatest leader Paruni ever had. @Gandalf @Aragorn

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gird3r on November 03, 2020, 06:30:18 pm

Quote from: Aragorn on November 03, 2020, 05:43:55 pm

Awwww finally you agreed that you fucked up in something... Hhhahahaha )))))

Man don't be like that. :(

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Lazar. on November 03, 2020, 06:47:13 pm

The very nice feeling when you see three owners are back as in the begining of this comunity.
This smells like a strong comeback :)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gird3r on November 03, 2020, 07:01:34 pm

Quote from: Lazar. on November 03, 2020, 06:47:13 pm

The very nice feeling when you see three owners are back as in the begining of this comunity.
This smells like a strong comeback :)

Personally I consider Legolas part of that too. So i'd say four. But that's just a nitpick.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Surena on November 03, 2020, 07:15:08 pm

I don't know what to really say to all these discussions but I wanted to let my voice be heard regardless.

As few have pointed out, seeing the owners active gives a feeling of resurrection to me and others. (If that's the correct way to word it?) Make of it yourself if you deem that positive or negative.
With that said, it is easy to make arguments about what went wrong and what should be done but I think it is clear with the earlier post Aragorn made that there is a solution that could satisfy both parties. The two server approach can give the flexibility and freedom to experiment what is currently beloved and sworn on by the community while the regular version will be kept online for people who feel better with it and/or to get statistical and opinional incomes of intel to make way for judgement about what is best for the future.

Owners have the experience, the community as a whole has a lot of smart and dedicated individuals. Teamwork, make it happen!

We are better off loosening up and accepting broader and more individual perspectives so we can communicate more efficiently rather than setting on arguments on every said sentence and proving a point or fact from recent or last years when actual action is requested and the tools are provided (2nd server, I suppose). In other words, working together and combining will help much better with the progress bar rather than working against eachother to prove a single point which could count irrelevant with future developments. Currently the spotlight seems to be on V:MP, so just watch or contribute to it and see what it will end up resulting. If things go well then we can surely expect the treatment for other servers as well although I don't know much about VCMP, SAMP and V:MP since I used to be an IVMP fanatic.

I think this is a good way to phrase what I am trying to say while being neutral. (Even though I feel like I am speaking in behalf of devs, yet that is not my intent)

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gandalf on November 03, 2020, 07:56:50 pm

Quote from: Surena on November 03, 2020, 07:15:08 pm

I don't know what to really say to all these discussions but I wanted to let my voice be heard regardless.

As few have pointed out, seeing the owners active gives a feeling of resurrection to me and others. (If that's the correct way to word it?) Make of it yourself if you deem that positive or negative.
With that said, it is easy to make arguments about what went wrong and what should be done but I think it is clear with the earlier post Aragorn made that there is a solution that could satisfy both parties. The two server approach can give the flexibility and freedom to experiment what is currently beloved and sworn on by the community while the regular version will be kept online for people who feel better with it and/or to get statistical and opinional incomes of intel to make way for judgement about what is best for the future.

Owners have the experience, the community as a whole has a lot of smart and dedicated individuals. Teamwork, make it happen!

We are better off loosening up and accepting broader and more individual perspectives so we can communicate more efficiently rather than setting on arguments on every said sentence and proving a point or fact from recent or last years when actual action is requested and the tools are provided (2nd server, I suppose). In other words, working together and combining will help much better with the progress bar rather than working against eachother to prove a single point which could count irrelevant with future developments. Currently the spotlight seems to be on V:MP, so just watch or contribute to it and see what it will end up resulting. If things go well then we can surely expect the treatment for other servers as well although I don't know much about VCMP, SAMP and V:MP since I used to be an IVMP fanatic.

I think this is a good way to phrase what I am trying to say while being neutral. (Even though I feel like I am speaking in behalf of devs, yet that is not my intent)

Thanks for your words. About IV:MP we still have to discuss. Our focus will be where we can get new people to be active. VC:MP is stable and does not need attention. SA:MP seems to be down, SA:MP itself is no longer developed, there are no real alternatives available, but if it changes we allow people to work with it. V:MP can bring a lot of players and has gret potential. IV:MP we have to check player level and status of development.
Minecraft also sill has a lot of potential and here must be some other and new games. And of course GTA:VI may be released soon...:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Norrage on November 03, 2020, 07:59:28 pm

Quote from: Gandalf on November 03, 2020, 07:56:50 pm

Minecraft also sill has a lot of potential and here must be some other and new games. And of course GTA:VI may be released soon...:

Just throwing this in here quickly: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=116408.0

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Omri on November 03, 2020, 08:14:46 pm

Quote from: Charles on November 03, 2020, 06:00:29 pm

Veeeery glad you brought Paruni to the matter. I, myself literally grew up in the CS 1.6 server since late 2007 (known as Ntinos there) and ended up here on Argonath in 2010. In late 2015 after a conversation with Gandalf joined [R*]'s DM division in order to boost activity right along with my good old buddy @GakgosseN and a couple of other oldies such as Indigo and Ramboten only to watch the entire project blow up in our face due to lack of solid background support. The CS:GO DM server was fairly successful and occasionally hitting very sufficient numbers of players such as 30 to 40 a week.

I'd more than love to participate in Paruni being brought back to life from whatever angle possible. Player, admin, leader or whatever spot needs to be filled. In fact I wouldn't mind contributing with the hosts and all. Paruni has been my entire childhood and I'd love to have a glimpse in the past.. for good this time.

I can see many possibilities in Paruni playing a vital role in order to boost Argonath as a whole. Like it always has been.

I'm definitely sure Indigo will want to have a say in this.. if one of you guys can still reach him. He was by far the greatest leader Paruni ever had. @Gandalf @Aragorn

What happened to Paruni?
There was decent activity when we opened Paruni and the CS servers took off quite fast as I remember, we had like a few severs that was often full.
It's where the growth really can take off, both communities can and should benefit from each other.

Rust is a game where it can attract new people to the community. A well established Rust server with mature & fair admins go a long way and has great potentiel there..

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Khm on November 03, 2020, 08:33:17 pm

Quote from: Norrage on November 03, 2020, 07:59:28 pm

Quote from: Charles on November 03, 2020, 06:00:29 pm
Veeeery glad you brought Paruni to the matter. I, myself literally grew up in the CS 1.6 server since late 2007 (known as Ntinos there) and ended up here on Argonath in 2010. In late 2015 after a conversation with Gandalf joined [R*]'s DM division in order to boost activity right along with my good old buddy @GakgosseN and a couple of other oldies such as Indigo and Ramboten only to watch the entire project blow up in our face due to lack of solid background support. The CS:GO DM server was fairly successful and occasionally hitting very sufficient numbers of players such as 30 to 40 a week.

I'd more than love to participate in Paruni being brought back to life from whatever angle possible. Player, admin, leader or whatever spot needs to be filled. In fact I wouldn't mind contributing with the hosts and all. Paruni has been my entire childhood and I'd love to have a glimpse in the past.. for good this time.

I can see many possibilities in Paruni playing a vital role in order to boost Argonath as a whole. Like it always has been.

I'm definitely sure Indigo will want to have a say in this.. if one of you guys can still reach him. He was by far the greatest leader Paruni ever had. @Gandalf @Aragorn

What happened to Paruni?
There was decent activity when we opened Paruni and the CS servers took off quite fast as I remember, we had like a few severs that was often full.
It's where the growth really can take off, both communities can and should benefit from each other.

Rust is a game where it can attract new people to the community. A well established Rust server with mature & fair admins go a long way and has great potentiel there..

It was down for a long time (6 months?) and no one was there to bring it back up, when it was brought back up barely anyone was still there.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gandalf on November 03, 2020, 08:44:25 pm

Quote from: Gandalf on November 03, 2020, 07:56:50 pm
Minecraft also sill has a lot of potential and here must be some other and new games. And of course GTA:VI may be released soon...:

Just throwing this in here quickly: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=116408.0

A poll from 2016. And they say we live in the past :rofl:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Norrage on November 03, 2020, 08:46:31 pm

Quote from: Gandalf on November 03, 2020, 08:44:25 pm

A poll from 2016. And they say we live in the past :rofl:

Might give an indication but surely it is time for a new poll :strong:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Sauron on November 03, 2020, 08:47:20 pm

Quote from: Sauron on November 03, 2020, 08:47:20 pm

Quote from: Charles on November 03, 2020, 06:00:29 pm
Veeeery glad you brought Paruni to the matter. I, myself literally grew up in the CS 1.6 server since late 2007 (known as Ntinos there) and ended up here on Argonath in 2010. In late 2015 after a conversation with Gandalf joined [R*]'s DM division in order to boost activity right along with my good old buddy @GakgosseN and a couple of other oldies such as Indigo and Ramboten only to watch the entire project blow up in our face due to lack of solid background support. The CS:GO DM server was fairly successful and occasionally hitting very sufficient numbers of players such as 30 to 40 a week.

I'd more than love to participate in Paruni being brought back to life from whatever angle possible. Player, admin, leader or whatever spot needs to be filled. In fact I wouldn't mind contributing with the hosts and all. Paruni has been my entire childhood and I'd love to have a glimpse in the past.. for good this time.

I can see many possibilities in Paruni playing a vital role in order to boost Argonath as a whole. Like it always has been.

I'm definitely sure Indigo will want to have a say in this.. if one of you guys can still reach him. He was by far the greatest leader Paruni ever had. @Gandalf @Aragorn

What happened to Paruni?
There was decent activity when we opened Paruni and the CS servers took off quite fast as I remember, we had like a few severs that was often full.
It's where the growth really can take off, both communities can and should benefit from each other.

Rust is a game where it can attract new people to the community. A well established Rust server with mature & fair admins go a long way and has great potentiel there..

It was given to someone promising to lead and run it, ended up running it in to the ground by trying to make it in to strict RPG :rolleyes:. Domain still exists so we can revive it any time.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Brian on November 03, 2020, 09:00:57 pm

I've also been in talks about a Rust server with several people, its on a list of things people have requested over the years, We have had a rust server on several occasions too but it was mostly done through hosting paid by leaders themselves. I personally would like to see Argonath expand more in to different games, or even seasonal servers that could be started up again during periods of new fun updates or when players request it (or just keep running permanently and recruit moderators that are active at the time)
I feel the other community leaders felt the same way and it was a good prospect looking forward.

I am hoping that you as the owners are able to assist with that and provide those resources now you are active again, we have people experienced with managing game servers and other services(Up to a professional level) and keeping those things running on the latest updates is something easy to do if given the chance.

I do how ever have a suggestion.

You have five capable Community Leaders, people that have worked and cared for this community while you were gone, ensured we kept things running, and doing their best to keep things running with sometimes limited accessibility, spending their free time you mentioned in your posts a few times.

Why is it that they are barely involved in the plans you have, who know little more about what's going on than the other people seeing the posts appear in this forum topic.

Seeing you back is a sight for sore eyes but you have a team of people that have been working together closely for the past few years, not fighting about which server is better, more active, which staff member is better, how much cooler this or that playstyle is, people that are supposed to be part of leading the community be completely clueless about what is going on, other than the scarce amount of information that is provided.

I understand you are just back and you need time to collect knowledge of what is going on and to set your own plan in action but it would be nice for you to also share a bit of that with the people that are supposedly leading the community, as they want to help, a good team of people that have been talking with the community, veterans, new players, different ways of getting those new players, ideas for the community, reasons of why people left, reasons of why things went wrong, and solutions to those problems.

Yes, you have experience, you build this community from the ground up, but you were gone for a while while we were doing our best to manage, and it'd be nice to receive a little bit of the respect that we have shown to your community over the years back from you.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Brian on November 03, 2020, 09:17:43 pm

Also to those speaking about Paruni, we still have the code and should be able to start a server back up if people would like it back.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Khm on November 03, 2020, 09:40:58 pm

Quote from: Omri on November 03, 2020, 08:14:46 pm
Quote from: Charles on November 03, 2020, 06:00:29 pm
Veeeery glad you brought Paruni to the matter. I, myself literally grew up in the CS 1.6 server since late 2007 (known as Ntinos there) and ended up here on Argonath in 2010. In late 2015 after a conversation with Gandalf joined [R*]'s DM division in order to boost activity right along with my good old buddy @GakgosseN and a couple of other oldies such as Indigo and Ramboten only to watch the entire project blow up in our face due to lack of solid background support. The CS:GO DM server was fairly successful and occasionally hitting very sufficient numbers of players such as 30 to 40 a week.

I'd more than love to participate in Paruni being brought back to life from whatever angle possible. Player, admin, leader or whatever spot needs to be filled. In fact I wouldn't mind contributing with the hosts and all. Paruni has been my entire childhood and I'd love to have a glimpse in the past.. for good this time.

I can see many possibilities in Paruni playing a vital role in order to boost Argonath as a whole. Like it always has been.

I'm definitely sure Indigo will want to have a say in this.. if one of you guys can still reach him. He was by far the greatest leader Paruni ever had. @Gandalf @Aragorn

What happened to Paruni?
There was decent activity when we opened Paruni and the CS servers took off quite fast as I remember, we had like a few severs that was often full.
It's where the growth really can take off, both communities can and should benefit from each other.

Rust is a game where it can attract new people to the community. A well established Rust server with mature & fair admins go a long way and has great potentiel there..
It was given to someone promising to lead and run it, ended up running it in to the ground by trying to make it in to strict RPG :rolleyes:. Domain still exists so we can revive it any time.

True he drove it to the ground but that wasn't the reason. It was a DM community to begin with there's no way to create a RPG server there.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Bennzy on November 03, 2020, 10:04:39 pm

Quote from: Brian on November 03, 2020, 09:17:43 pm

Also to those speaking about Paruni, we still have the code and should be able to start a server back up if people would like it back.

Start a poll and see if people want it back or not.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 04, 2020, 12:01:58 am

Quote from: Brian on November 03, 2020, 09:00:57 pm

I understand you are just back and you need time to collect knowledge of what is going on and to set your own plan in action but it would be nice for you to also share a bit of that with the people that are supposedly leading the community

Ahah... Well the first plan was exactly to involve the devs into our plans but after this topic I hardly will involve in my plans people who started blaming me in all possible way to introduce themselves clean and holy of cos with all "due to respect"... Business is not doing this way... That is why I said - those who do not trust us (and they have a reason for that) just can work on other Argonath server... Those who trust us (and I see it is a very small amount of players) well time will show it up for both sides and they will be involved in teamwork...

We were not for a long time here, words are nothing as we are not trusted any more... What can we do? Just do our work and then arrive back with the results... Better to arrive with the results to people who already have no idea what is Argonath vision and again show them what it is exactly then sit and argue if our vision deserves to live or not...

Thats why I cannot involve people right now as they are against our style... Forgot they or not - does not matter - it is a work and its a business and I run business only with people whom I trust and who trusts me... That is not a blame, notice, I understand the point of veterans "Fuck Aragorn is back now he will fuck up our work". developers are scared and it means lack of assurance... We cannot provide anything and I do not want to bring hot speeches we will make cool as they are empty right now... I mentioned once-twice here or there - and that is all for now...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 04, 2020, 12:16:39 am

I also understand your point - arrived old times Aragorn, he is out of date, we know better what is modern...
But be careful next time - who knows maybe the new arrived guys are more modern then you...

I am also sorry for my words which could insult in this topic, as the truth coming out hard and sometimes needs something to motivate it... That is why thanks for your opinions, they will be on forum and I will read it not once or twice again as I would like the complete understanding of every word you wrote...

I know you all are not bad guys and I know that every veteran did his best for sure... But to talk about teamwork means to listen also to the owners and not a way of "playing only one goal", this will not work sorry... Right now I did not see from devs of Argo any attempt to listen to me... opposite everyone was trying to press on me to take your point of view... this will not work either will make things worse at least if to talk about Aragorn...
So I hope you will find some point from my side as well... Or maybe not... That is up to you...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: TheGreasyChopper on November 04, 2020, 12:30:07 am

Speaking of alternatives to GTA, did anything ever come out of Hand of Law? I was pretty hyped for that thing.

As for those who "lead" our community, ya'll had enough time and honestly.

Quote from: Aragorn on November 04, 2020, 12:01:58 am

Thats why I cannot involve people right now as they are against our style...

Such people have been involved long enough. The King is back and the peasants are upset :lol:

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Kowalski. on November 04, 2020, 01:11:15 am

It's all good that you want to work with the original Argonath Vision, but I think the ideas and thoughts of players are just as important.

It's not about blaming you, it's about wanting the work we've done so far to keep going forward to create a better environment overall.

Stricter role play rules, for example, don't go against the vision as though it's another community, they're just slightly more roleplay-oriented so that there's no bullshit during roleplay.

I think what we need to do is weigh up both ends, make educated decisions with the players and the community leaders, and finally, decide on things as a community.

Just my friendly input.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Brian on November 04, 2020, 01:23:19 am

I am unsure where in my post did you see doubt in trust or me caring at all what direction the community was heading in to, it shows how little you actually know about myself or the other community leaders, or how little interest you have in learning to know us.

You also keep calling us devs, known to me as developers. While I have put my hand to adjusting code here and there I've never been a full time developer for Argonath, not that it matters as you, Gandalf or Sauron have barely reached out to myself or other CLs. I've never cared for where the vision points or what direction Gandalf wanted the server to head in because at the end of the day it was his community.

I am unsure if you misunderstood my point, but what I was trying to say is, while you were away, and while Gandalf was absent, a few people have been running this community, you have returned, and this is exciting. But we are neglected completely, you act like we do not exist, you do not care for anything we seem to have to tell you, which is fine, it is your community, but some type of direction, or perhaps to hear what you expect of us would be nice.

You keep telling people they'll get their own space, or can choose to create their own community, but people still want Argonath to thrive, but it feels like that doesn't matter to you, different opinions are not allowed even if they are just that, opinions, and that sucks, it feels like I have tried keeping this community running as smoothly as I could for years, I've always respected your and other leaders wishes, cause I enjoy doing what I do.

I have known of you, yes Aragorn. But I have also only known you since you replied to me giving you your Rockstar forum password, I have probably spent the same amount of years on Argonath, if not more than you, and for many of those years probably did similar tasks to you in leading this community, so I am sorry if this place means perhaps as much to me as it does to you. This is the same for many of the other leaders, staff members, and also many of the veterans, and each have we put many years towards trying to make this community a better place, each in our own way.

For you to say that I do not trust you, or perhaps that you do not trust me purely because my opinion differs from yours feels like a low blow, especially cause I personally would not care if you wanted to create a certain server your way, if I didn't enjoy it I wouldn't play it, I'd keep to my part of this community, just like you, but that also does not mean I won't help if requested of me, and as the days pass it seems like there's no interest to ask me or others anything anyways.

TLDR, at the end of the day, this is your community, and a bit of it is mine, and that part will always be with me, and I will always work to protect it and make it a better place, no matter what position I am in, all I ask is that you perhaps take the time to get to know us, get to know your community, more than a five minute chat where you ask us questions, and we are being treated like we're stupid, or like we don't know anything.

There'll be no hard feelings from me, it is like it is at the end of the day, I don't think Gandalf ever liked me, and that's fine, it never bothered me too much, but as much respect as I have for you and Gandalf, Sauron, and many of the old leaders and players, perhaps instead of judging others for what is wrong with our opinions or why we see certain things, get to know the community and how it got to where we are now, we've made our mistakes, but I doubt any of us are saints.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Rei on November 04, 2020, 03:53:58 am

I come back and I see CL-s pointing fingers at Owners and the other way around, what am I to expect from this community when all its shown so far is corruption, arrogance, selfishness? You can't build something great without a strong foundation.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 04, 2020, 09:24:13 am

Quote from: TheGreasyChopper on November 04, 2020, 12:30:07 am

Speaking of alternatives to GTA, did anything ever come out of Hand of Law?

Guy you have a great sense of feeling...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 04, 2020, 09:31:31 am

Quote from: Kowalski. on November 04, 2020, 01:11:15 am

It's all good that you want to work with the original Argonath Vision, but I think the ideas and thoughts of players are just as important.

Your words just show that you have no idea what is Argonath vision that is why to discuss it has no sense... I suppose that you all were told already by some players that we are not listening to players and their ideas - thats a bullshit... And the whole Argonath is a prove to that...
With that I will not continue the fight with this wind moles and will not waste my time...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Aragorn on November 04, 2020, 09:38:22 am

Quote from: Brian on November 04, 2020, 01:23:19 am

But we are neglected completely, you act like we do not exist, you do not care for anything we seem to have to tell you

Well try other way to tell me without pointing fingers that I was absent... I will not continue to put in every post greetings and thanks... Once I said - I liked your work - it is not under discussions... I either did not tell that I will remove you or your work - strange that you are all afraid of what was not even pointed by me - so decided for me what I will do and now trying to fight it I suppose... Well fight, but it is your vision on Aragorn and not Aragorn as I am... Why you all are afraid still makes me think there is some other side of this fear not just "Aragorn can shut down our work"... And that other side I will figure out sooner or later...

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Gandalf on November 04, 2020, 09:58:46 am

I am unsure if you misunderstood my point, but what I was trying to say is, while you were away, and while Gandalf was absent, a few people have been running this community, you have returned, and this is exciting. But we are neglected completely, you act like we do not exist, you do not care for anything we seem to have to tell you, which is fine, it is your community, but some type of direction, or perhaps to hear what you expect of us would be nice.

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By developers Aragorn means everyone with a responsibilty, community leaders as wel as scripters, server leaders, beta testers etc. SO not just the people with a title developer.
Leading a community is about acting and being active, not about showing your status

Out of the five community leaders only three started actively discussing.
Haldir gave his take on V:MP and his ideas and work.
Kessu showed his ideas and the VC:MP status.
You gave your take on things and website.

But...
Grimbeorn barely said hi. Maybe he is busy IRL at this time, or he is just tired.
Senate we did not hear from at all, if he left why is he still community leader?

The main thought we get is everyone is afraid of their status. Which says a lot about how sure they are in doing heir job right.
As said we are not here to throw out everyone and do whatever we want. But we will expect those who have leadership to be active and show skills.

You mention you want things. Well you are leader so what were you waiting for?
I understand people got in to place without experience, and we do no blame anyone (unlike some), but leadership requires decision making and pushing toward goals. This is why we gave control to the leadership instead of requiring approval for every step.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Sawyer on November 04, 2020, 10:37:50 am

What happened to Paruni?
There was decent activity when we opened Paruni and the CS servers took off quite fast as I remember, we had like a few severs that was often full.

Yes, that is very true. If you are talking about the most recent resurrection of the CS:GO server, it became an active server due to CS:GO's popularity at the time.

Afaik everything just went blank and the server just went down due to "lack of support". We never had any solid explanation, even as admins at the time. Everyone just vanished and we simply had to move on to SAMP's DM which was also on life support due to Monte being.... Monte.

I'm pretty positive there's shitloads of regulars around here that would love to have a chance to play in Paruni once more, whether that's SAMP DM or any other related DMing platform for that matter. They are just absent currently for certain other reasons. A group of appropriate people can still be found if there's an actual interest of reviving Paruni.

Title: Re: Dialog with the Owners
Post by: Mark Knight on November 04, 2020, 11:12:52 am